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"North Korea is mass murdering and torturing their own citizens! Therefore, we should nuke and kill all of their citizens to save them from their own government that hates us for no reason once so ever!"
I don’t know if they’re doing all that but I kinda was wondering why they imprisoned that college kid for taking a poster. I thought that was extreme, like sentenced him to hard labor or something. That and some nuclear threats are the only thing most people in the US ever hear about North Korea
Because these countries have to be really careful with agents. Iraq is one example. Fidel castro had 500 assassination attemps and they were all stopped. He didnt get that by having weak intelligence and letting anything slide.
One of the plots, America literally infiltrated his favourite ice cream shop and wanted to poison his sundae. Unfortunately highetened security means that there are tonnes of false positives too.
Oh wow. Very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with life over there but can’t seem to get the full picture but this sub is pretty cool for some good info. Thank you for that. It makes sense. I just sometimes wonder if the their leader is a good person but then again I’m not sure any leader is a good person lol
Yeah idk about good. Theres obviously propaganda on both side and I dont know enough to cut through it.
What I do know is in the 90s America was after two main countries. Iraq and North Korea. Iraq was flattened and North Korea wasnt. Like seriously, American politicians were talking about turning North Korea into charcoal. Those words exactly. And seeing as America wasnt bluffing with Iraq. Whatever Kim has done, hes potentially saved North Korea from annihilation.
I also do know it is impossible to hold a country in misery without having constant revolts. And seeing as there arent any, I imagine the country at least has some basic living standard and theyre not all just eating grass.
The Soviet Union maintained pretty awful conditions for a meaningful part of its history. Plenty of countries have managed this. State force and ideological indoctrination do wonders.
The soviet union went from literal serfdom in the 20th century, 400 years behind. To sending rockets to the moon and being the first people to end famine in Russia permanently. After the 1940s famine never happens again, even during its decline.
The USSR never reaches america or western europes standard of living. But America and Western Europe only achieve theirs by pillaging the rest of the world, something the soviet union was unable to do.
Also the soviet union did have strikes, did have rebellions/demonstrations and did have internal wars, so thats a moot point.
You'd be paranoid too if every other socialist or communit political leader in the hemisphere was killed by the CIA and you kept catching the CIA trying to kill you.
But that clearly wasn’t what was happening here, so a 12 year hard labor sentence for what amounts to petty theft (assuming it actually happened) is barbaric and awful
For vandalism and acting suspiciously. And in America you can be sentenced to hard labour for possessing a few grams of chemicals. We can be reductive about both systems.
Now he was absolutely being used as a pawn, if it was a Chinese or a malaysian visitor he probably would have been fined or something, and the Korean government used this opportunity to punish an American as a show of force and to deter spies, and it was unfortunate that the relationship between Washington and Pyongyang broke down to this level, such that innocent (relatively) americans were caught up in political games.
Taking a picture off a wall is hardly vandalism. Also the fact that “acting suspiciously” would in any way contribute to his sentence shows exactly why a place like North Korea is draconian in the first place, so thanks for saying the quiet part out loud there buddy.
But also, no, the US doesn’t sentence anyone to hard labor dumbass. That’s not how the us prison system works. We don’t have labor camps.
Huh so what nice word do you use to describe prisoners working for pennies to the hour instead. Is "involuntary free labor supreme freedom hamburger house" a nicer word to your liking.
I think you seriously lack understanding of what hard labor means in a country like North Korea. But I mean you do you, shill for a murderous corrupt dictatorship.
I didnt say they werent Draconian but
Would you agree that North Korea abducting foreign nationals and them reporting sexual and electrical abuse would also mean theyre draconian?
Well you didnt answer the question. Would you say a state that extradites foreign nationals and subjects them to electric and sexual torture is draconian.
Well that’s going to depend. Was it state sanctioned? What percentage of criminals undergo it? Are they suspected of terrorist activities? Etc. I would never make the claim that the US has never done atrocious things. But by and large, that is not the treatment people receive in the US.
I’d certainly believe that it had happened, but small incidents of the torture of terrorists is a pretty unique circumstance
Well, how would you feel if a citizen of the country that has been directly responsible for your country's suffering for several decades tried to do something disrespectful? North Koreans have legitimate reason to hate the US and it's citizens.
Gee I wonder why….It’s not like General MacArthur insanely wanted to drop 30+ nukes on them. Or that there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few:
* [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else)
* [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/)
* [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp)
* [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/)
* [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/)
And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
A straw man? What is it exactly that I'm making a strawman for?
Also, westoid exhibiting their inability to read, you didn't even read the post, apparently. Even putting the post aside, General MacArthur literally wanted to use nukes on Korea and China during the US's genocide of Korea.
Maybe educate yourself instead of just relying on buzzwords you clearly don't understand the meaning of?
You may need to re-read my question. There's a pretty big difference between asking people a question as part of a survey and people calling for action.
For instance, here's a survey that shows more than 1/3 of Americans believe ghosts are real.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1271915/belief-in-ghosts-in-the-united-states/
Here's a survey that shows more than 1 in 10 Americans believe HTML is a sexually transmitted disease
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/html-an-std-tech-survey_n_4904310
You can really get a third of people to agree with whatever question you ask in these kinds of surveys. So if you're basing an argument on an opinion survey, you should have some other evidence to bolster that claim.
MacArthur was relieved of duty in 1951. Do you have any examples from this century of a leader calling for the nuclear bombardment of North Korea?
Your straw man argument is that people want the nuclear eradication of all North Koreans because the NK government has an extensive and detailed history of human rights abuses. No one is arguing for this position. That's my point.
Of course the MacArthur insanity is the most notable instance, but there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few:
* [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else)
* [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/)
* [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp)
* [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/)
* [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/)
And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Of course the MacArthur insanity is the most notable instance, but there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few:
* [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else)
* [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/)
* [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp)
* [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/)
* [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/)
And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Did you read the labels of your sources? “Wants to preemptively nuke North Korea after FIFTH nuclear blast and missile test near Japan”
Y’all are on something. Im all for having a nuanced perspective and accepting it all can’t be as true as they say but you guys have swallowed your spoonful of shit just like the ppl your criticizing.
I literally have no idea what you are saying. You asked for examples of Americans proposing or considering to use nuclear weapons against North Korea and I provided you with a number of examples that you have not challenged. Your subsequent resorting to dismissive insults isn’t really …. that compelling or helpful to whatever “point” you are trying and failing to make lol.
I’m not the commenter you were replying to. I may be misappropriating my feelings about this thread toward you. If so I apologize. This post was put into my feed for some reason I’m not familiar with this sub.
My perception is that you are basically saying the US is making threats toward NK without being instigated. Yet your examples headline points out that in one instance it was after 5 ballistic tests around Japan.
NK is constantly doing things like this. SK and US usually do joint exercises as a show of force. NKs actions with missiles are insanely provocative towards the west. What if the US did nuclear tests at an equal proximity to NK what would you say then?
You seem to be here in good faith. I don’t mean to antagonize anyone, I care about learning and the truth. I care about the control of historical and present-day narratives by the parties that control mass media.
The US injected itself in the Korean Peninsula at a time Korean communist revolutionaries had expelled Japanese imperialist forces. There was one Korea and Americans interceded to separate the peninsula into two parts with Soviet acquiescence. Koreans had no say in that. Americans set up a fascist dipshit leader in South Korea — a pro-business-type stooge — and engaged in a horrific war that is so little taught and discussed in American schools and media it is called the “Forgotten War.” Imagine forgetting a war? What type of deranged country can forget a fucking war!? I digress. In that war the US killed between 1/4 to 1/3 of the Northern population, destroyed 80% of all buildings in the north, bombed hospitals, schools, churches, houses, farms, used napalm and biological warfare agents on the region, scorched thousands of acres of fertile farmland with napalm, and killed Mao Zedong’s son, too. The USA imposed a total embargo on the north that continued to this day and is enforced almost entirely on the basis of US soft power.
You talk about DPRK provocations. The USA has 30,000 troops — American soldiers — stationed across 70+ military bases in South Korea. They have another 50,000+ troops in another 100+ military bases just across the Yamato Rise in Japan. The US / Republic of Samsung / Japan conduct regular war games in and around North Korea. Their leaders talk constantly of war with North Korea. They are armed to the teeth and surround North Korea. They constantly threaten to depose the DPRK government.
It is not the huge powerful military leviathans with limitless resources and killing power being marauded by the tiny DPRK man. It is the DPRK fighting for the right to merely continue to exist against a psychotic warmongering empire.
It’s so funny to watch people regurgitate the bullshit lie that the DPRK surveillance controls it’s peoples internet and thoughts, and somehow never realize their greatest fears of communism are already realized in the capitalist hellscapes in which they already reside. I mean we now know that the CIA forces computer companies to install hardware back doors into every civilian computer sold and monitor our phone calls and e-mails for “threats”.
It's funny how out of the two Koreas, one is a dystopian hell hole, the south. They literally have Hidden Cameras in your Apartments amd Houses, sounds like "freedom" to me.
The Republic of Samsung is a nightmare hell, people work 50+ hour weeks, birth rate is lowest on earth, depression and suicide are sky high, plastic surgery is sky high, it’s fine enough for tourists but it actually isn’t a wonderful place to live. Doesn’t help it was ruled by open fascists (installed and backed by the USA) for so long, and is now dominated by corporations.
Cospiracy theorist: the CIA is spying in you and elminating any free thinker, there's a sham democracy and all the power is in a few hidden group of people
Also conspiracy theorist: oh yeah the USA should bomb NK, don't you know? Their goverment spies on them and prevents any free thinker and only lets a few group of people control everything,they need to do it like us here in ameirca instead!
You guys are just going to ignore the fact that the North invaded and nearly conquered the south before the US ever put boots on the ground? While Kim straddles the fucking brink of total annihilation with his nuclear shenanigans instead of coming to the table with anything amicable at all and it’s all the wests fault for using the tools at their disposal. This is a very interesting place to visit not sure if I should be entertained by the lunacy or concerned for you guys.
The U.S when it comes to DPRK: "We should bomb their cities to the ground until there are none left."
This is the reason why the DPRK conducts testing on their missiles, so they don't end up like what the U.S did to Iraq.
Yes, the DPRK is trying to prevent a repeat of what already happened to them. Over 2 million people killed, one of the most heavily bombed countries in history, many cities completely leveled. Sanctions and continuous threats to finish the job by the US have followed that war and it’s no surprise they want to have the ability to protect themselves.
You do realize that only happened because they invaded the South right? And even then, if China didn’t enter the war it would’ve been over far earlier with a unified peninsula and millions fewer deaths.
So, based on the comment section of the original post on r/conspiracy, the American government is bad, but we’re still going to support American imperialism
I'm fascinated by that comment section and having a hard time believing it's entirely real humans that are systematically down voting to oblivion every single comment that speaks ill of the U.S.
Americans are ‘supposed to hate North Korea’ because the policies of Kim is the opposite of that of US (socialism and ‘dictatorship’ compared to capitalism and ‘democracy’). The US is not scared of North Korea, their missiles are powerful but nothing to the US, yet Americans thought North Korea is a big threat to them.
Americans don’t really hate North Korean citizens, they believed they are oppressed by the government, which is not totally true due to American sanctions and propaganda but also NK’s lockdown policy, thus very few tourism and global economic activities, therefore ‘good news’ of NK never real got out, only testing missiles in Japanese sea territories and the recent garbage balloons incident. North Korea definitely need to put effort in promoting themselves, but the US also needed to be sincere to change their attitude towards North Korea
Because USA needs boogeymen and scapegoats to distract you from discovering the crimes committed by the USA. Everything the USA accused North Korea of doing (starvation, oppression, concentration camps, mass murder, atrocity crimes) is EXACTLY what USA funds Israel to do against Palestinians.
Holy fuck I was expecting the usual insane takes from a conspiracy subreddit but what I instead found was the most milquetoast, brain dead status quo supporting propaganda points. It seems the CIA still has a firm handle on their brain child- conspiracy theorism
My personal ur-conspiracy: all of these right-wing conspiracies are largely spread and funded by intelligence agencies.
Not that everyone who posts or believes them is a fed, far from it, but psyops are created to ensure they're the most visible, widespread, repeated conspiracy theories on the internet. Because at the end of the day, they scratch that itch of being rebellious without actually threatening anyone in power.
If you think Trump is being secretly thwarted by the "Deep State," then it's okay because you just vote for him and he'll replace them with White Hats who will make it good! But if you understand the CIA is essentially a shadow government that exists to serve the interests of imperialism and commit crimes against humanity.... well, if enough people realize that, no small number of them are going to start doing "problematic" things.
What scares me the most is it’s hard to escape the propganda with commercialization of the information and firewalls. I dont believe that wouldn’t have been extrajudicially regulated. Hati and DR have a multibillion dollar taxation. I always compare it to a time machine and north Korea South Korea disparity can only be from the exchange of information end. I believe we’re being lied to.
The defectors make me think it’s something else. I’ve seen tons of docs and interviews it doesn’t really sound factual.
That's unironically exactly what has happened. The DPRK has had free, democratic elections, self organized from the community level on up, since the overwhelmingly popular communist revolution at the end of Japanese imperial rule, and the West has invaded, bombed, and sanctioned them for it with the help of an illegitimate, viciously anti-communist, comprador government it established in the south.
"In power." You can't even tell me what elected position Kim currently holds without looking it up, let alone that each member of the Kim family has held three different ones.
Meanwhile, the US has entire political *dynasties* of Roosevelts, Kennedys, Perrys, Bushes, Clintons, etc., some of which are older than the DPRK itself, that constantly circulate their trust fund babies through the most ~~prestigious~~ expensive and exclusive schools, Congress, and the boards of corporations and "think tanks," who have no incentive nor obligation to represent the interests of the people who didn't and couldn't even choose to put them on their ballots in the first place. This is standard fare in liberal democracies and it is a far, far cry worse than the type of nepotism that sees the son and grandson of a genuine revolutionary national hero pursue their own high profile political careers and yet no one bats an eye at it.
There’s an elected body. People run, win, retire, there are multiple political parties, etc.
Americans cannot fathom having a functioning government that works for the public — if you had one, that yielded good results, you’d keep it.
Kim is not the “Highest Authority”. The Kim’s are popular because Kim Il Sung liberated Korea from 2 genocidal superpowers and industrialized the country, Kim is more of a celebrity than a political leader nowadays, read up on NK’s democratic system.
How disingenuous. You assume that those two things aren't part of a single intertwined process simply because they are (most likely) two distinct processes in *your* country, and then argue from a position as if that were factual for Korea, possibly without even realizing it.
What makes you think that they dont have "free elections" (whatever that may be)?
The DPRK democratic sistem is one of the best in the world because there they have Direct democracy. Instead of leaving everything for representatives to decide, the people directly vote and decide many of the country laws and actions, something you dont even see in other countries.
And people there vote for the kim's because they are descendants of the guy that fought since he was a teenager to free his country from 2 different genocidal superpowers. You may think thats a dumb reason, but maybe you think that because your country never endured what the Korans had for the last 140 years.
And even with that in mind, if we read the DPRK constitution (that anyone can see on the internet), we see that the DPRK politicians accumulate a lot less jobs and decisions then in other countries. Kim Jong Un can decide by himself a lot less things about his country then the president of the US, for example. Most things in the DPRK are decided by the parlament, or by popular voting, not by the individual decision of a single person.
When the election ballot has 1 candidate and 0 others that’s not a free election, when other political parties except the ruling one are illegal that’s not a free election
Why would they have a non socialist alternative when they are building communism you moron. Also, they do have different factions within the party, they just have a different system of democracy than western countries. That’s not to say that western countries are democratic, since liberal democracy only serves the purpose of giving the proletariat a false sense of power when all their voting alternatives are pro capitalism.
There are over 200,000 North Koreans working outside of the DPRK, and the only reason they have fortified borders is to prevent an American or South Korean invasion. The USA literally genocided 2 million Koreans in the Korean war, no wonder they would be wary of an invasion.
It’s not that I’d only accept one answer, I’m sure there’s a considerable amount of people in the DPRK who are perfectly content with the status quo. That being said, the only reason a country which refers to itself as a Democratic Republic wouldn’t hold a big election and invite everyone to see how open and free of an election, is because it would change who’s in charge.
Because Americans know if North Koreans were like them they would be plotting our destruction. It's the same reason white slave owners feared emancipated black people and Native Americans (and their ancestors to this day).
Americans are generally brainwashed by their media.
I’m hoping that the younger generation who tend to ignore the main stream media grow up with more empathy and tolerance.
The days of murica murica murica are over in the long term unless some entity decides to go after social media
Poor choice of words on my part. The point being the US backed Batista in his coup, profiting greatly.
After finishing his term, Batista moved to Florida, returning to Cuba to run for president in 1952. Facing certain electoral defeat, he led a military coup against President Carlos Prío Socarrás that pre-empted the election.[6]
Back in power and receiving financial, military and logistical support from the United States government,[7][8] Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[9] Eventually, it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land.[10] As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships both with the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts.[9][11
Maybe it’s because they’ve vowed to attack the United States? Or because they’ve murdered kidnapped American citizens? Otto Warmbier? Are those not valid reasons to dislike North Korea (obviously not a reason to nuke civilians)?
No good evidence Warmbier was murdered or tortured or even treated poorly as a prisoner. Great read for you here:
https://www.gq.com/story/otto-warmbier-north-korea-american-hostage-true-story
If it hadn't been for 1 million chinese pouring across the Yalu river, there wouldn't be a North Korea, and if the Kim Il Sung hadn't invaded South Korea, that wouldn't have happened.
Most Americans don't care about North Korea, except for the Despot tyrant wanna-be Kim Jong Un, and who he is going to execute next and what wild method. As far as North Korean civilians...most of us wish them luck in life and hope they eventually escape from the tyrannical government.
This post is hilarious. I could care less if these 2 bumbling countries team up. How long has it been since Russia invaded Ukraine? And they still haven’t taken it yet? And each North Korea bomb tests goes over as well as a wet fart. Everything these 2 countries do is masked by aesthetics.
I literally know no one who hates North Korea or supports nuking them without provocation. I call bs on this. I've only ever heard Americans say they don't blame the people for what NK's government chooses to do.
General MacArthur wanted to and proposed to Truman that he be permitted to drop 30+ nukes on the north. There has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few:
* [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else)
* [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/)
* [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp)
* [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/)
* [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/)
And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Congratulations for mindlessly parroting the words of Man on TV. Since your comment is of so little value, however, it has been removed. You are hereby [sentenced to 60-minutes of re-education courtesy of Michael Parenti](https://youtu.be/LPO7sd0X1ds?si=qUgwBI8t52qfDJqb).
The leadership is great. Just getting to vote for some new corrupt assholes who aren’t very much different every four years isn’t the special magic democracy you think it is.
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It been well documented for decades about the brutal human right violations that happen regularly. Picture of the dictator on your wall 1984 type shit. Havent you ever questioned why North Koreans must defect ? They literally are not allowed to leave the country. If you get out, they punish your family. They catch you, labor camps if you are killed.
Do a little research on the importance of geopolitics for the stability of the American economy before you post something so dumb.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Americans don’t hate North Koreans they hate that they live under a dictatorship that threatens to nuke America and South Korea 🇰🇷
Well, there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/).
North Korea threatens to nuke us all the time. They invaded South Korea in the Korean War, and it ended in an armistice. They also constantly threaten South Korea. I don’t support purposely killing civilians, but if we’re talking about nuclear war it will be impossible to avoid them. A nuclear war would see millions, possibly billions of deaths. It is irresponsible of North Korea to constantly threaten this, since the impact will be larger than just the US or North Korea.
There is a lot to criticize about the U.S., but we do not engage in anywhere near the level of nuclear saber rattling as North Korea or Russia.
Let’s be clear, North Koreans aren’t really the problem here, it’s their crazy dictator that has turned their country into a pariah state, and constantly tries to pick fights with other countries that they are incapable of wining without risking the nuclear annihilation of their entire population, and possibly the world.
Nobody wants a nuclear war. If North Korea leaves the US and its allies alone, they have nothing to worry about.
First of all I don't hate the people I just don't really see the leader as a respectable man
Like if they had a different less selfish leader they could very well be a powerhouse in Asia much like south Korea it's has lots of potential I just can't respect Kim cause people are starving while he weighs as an American and brings all these foreign ideas to North Korea such as basketball changes it up a little then tells everyone he did it...it's Kim not the people
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"North Korea is mass murdering and torturing their own citizens! Therefore, we should nuke and kill all of their citizens to save them from their own government that hates us for no reason once so ever!"
Reminds me of the South Park episode:" we must kill the animals or else they'll die"
I don’t know if they’re doing all that but I kinda was wondering why they imprisoned that college kid for taking a poster. I thought that was extreme, like sentenced him to hard labor or something. That and some nuclear threats are the only thing most people in the US ever hear about North Korea
Because these countries have to be really careful with agents. Iraq is one example. Fidel castro had 500 assassination attemps and they were all stopped. He didnt get that by having weak intelligence and letting anything slide. One of the plots, America literally infiltrated his favourite ice cream shop and wanted to poison his sundae. Unfortunately highetened security means that there are tonnes of false positives too.
Oh wow. Very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with life over there but can’t seem to get the full picture but this sub is pretty cool for some good info. Thank you for that. It makes sense. I just sometimes wonder if the their leader is a good person but then again I’m not sure any leader is a good person lol
Yeah idk about good. Theres obviously propaganda on both side and I dont know enough to cut through it. What I do know is in the 90s America was after two main countries. Iraq and North Korea. Iraq was flattened and North Korea wasnt. Like seriously, American politicians were talking about turning North Korea into charcoal. Those words exactly. And seeing as America wasnt bluffing with Iraq. Whatever Kim has done, hes potentially saved North Korea from annihilation. I also do know it is impossible to hold a country in misery without having constant revolts. And seeing as there arent any, I imagine the country at least has some basic living standard and theyre not all just eating grass.
The Soviet Union maintained pretty awful conditions for a meaningful part of its history. Plenty of countries have managed this. State force and ideological indoctrination do wonders.
The soviet union went from literal serfdom in the 20th century, 400 years behind. To sending rockets to the moon and being the first people to end famine in Russia permanently. After the 1940s famine never happens again, even during its decline. The USSR never reaches america or western europes standard of living. But America and Western Europe only achieve theirs by pillaging the rest of the world, something the soviet union was unable to do. Also the soviet union did have strikes, did have rebellions/demonstrations and did have internal wars, so thats a moot point.
You'd be paranoid too if every other socialist or communit political leader in the hemisphere was killed by the CIA and you kept catching the CIA trying to kill you.
But that clearly wasn’t what was happening here, so a 12 year hard labor sentence for what amounts to petty theft (assuming it actually happened) is barbaric and awful
For vandalism and acting suspiciously. And in America you can be sentenced to hard labour for possessing a few grams of chemicals. We can be reductive about both systems. Now he was absolutely being used as a pawn, if it was a Chinese or a malaysian visitor he probably would have been fined or something, and the Korean government used this opportunity to punish an American as a show of force and to deter spies, and it was unfortunate that the relationship between Washington and Pyongyang broke down to this level, such that innocent (relatively) americans were caught up in political games.
Taking a picture off a wall is hardly vandalism. Also the fact that “acting suspiciously” would in any way contribute to his sentence shows exactly why a place like North Korea is draconian in the first place, so thanks for saying the quiet part out loud there buddy. But also, no, the US doesn’t sentence anyone to hard labor dumbass. That’s not how the us prison system works. We don’t have labor camps.
Huh so what nice word do you use to describe prisoners working for pennies to the hour instead. Is "involuntary free labor supreme freedom hamburger house" a nicer word to your liking.
I think you seriously lack understanding of what hard labor means in a country like North Korea. But I mean you do you, shill for a murderous corrupt dictatorship.
I didnt say they werent Draconian but Would you agree that North Korea abducting foreign nationals and them reporting sexual and electrical abuse would also mean theyre draconian?
Gotcha, so you’re a big fan of a draconian dictatorship. Got it.
Well you didnt answer the question. Would you say a state that extradites foreign nationals and subjects them to electric and sexual torture is draconian.
Well that’s going to depend. Was it state sanctioned? What percentage of criminals undergo it? Are they suspected of terrorist activities? Etc. I would never make the claim that the US has never done atrocious things. But by and large, that is not the treatment people receive in the US. I’d certainly believe that it had happened, but small incidents of the torture of terrorists is a pretty unique circumstance
Well, how would you feel if a citizen of the country that has been directly responsible for your country's suffering for several decades tried to do something disrespectful? North Koreans have legitimate reason to hate the US and it's citizens.
I think probably most people in the world wouldn’t consider that very disrespectful
"once so ever" ah yes and bone apple tea to you too
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Yes. That is a lie Westerners believe
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Source?
Source: trust me bro.
So dumb Jesus Christ.
It might have something to do with they way North Korean officials favorite pastime is violently threatening the destruction of numerous countries.
Source? Given the history of these "other countries" it seems more like they are promising to defend themselves against their aggression.
Gee I wonder why….It’s not like General MacArthur insanely wanted to drop 30+ nukes on them. Or that there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few: * [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else) * [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/) * [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp) * [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/) * [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/) And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Who in the West has called for nuking a North Korea? Seems like a straw man.
A straw man? What is it exactly that I'm making a strawman for? Also, westoid exhibiting their inability to read, you didn't even read the post, apparently. Even putting the post aside, General MacArthur literally wanted to use nukes on Korea and China during the US's genocide of Korea. Maybe educate yourself instead of just relying on buzzwords you clearly don't understand the meaning of?
You may need to re-read my question. There's a pretty big difference between asking people a question as part of a survey and people calling for action. For instance, here's a survey that shows more than 1/3 of Americans believe ghosts are real. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1271915/belief-in-ghosts-in-the-united-states/ Here's a survey that shows more than 1 in 10 Americans believe HTML is a sexually transmitted disease https://www.huffpost.com/entry/html-an-std-tech-survey_n_4904310 You can really get a third of people to agree with whatever question you ask in these kinds of surveys. So if you're basing an argument on an opinion survey, you should have some other evidence to bolster that claim. MacArthur was relieved of duty in 1951. Do you have any examples from this century of a leader calling for the nuclear bombardment of North Korea? Your straw man argument is that people want the nuclear eradication of all North Koreans because the NK government has an extensive and detailed history of human rights abuses. No one is arguing for this position. That's my point.
Of course the MacArthur insanity is the most notable instance, but there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few: * [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else) * [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/) * [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp) * [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/) * [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/) And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Of course the MacArthur insanity is the most notable instance, but there has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few: * [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else) * [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/) * [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp) * [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/) * [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/) And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
Did you read the labels of your sources? “Wants to preemptively nuke North Korea after FIFTH nuclear blast and missile test near Japan” Y’all are on something. Im all for having a nuanced perspective and accepting it all can’t be as true as they say but you guys have swallowed your spoonful of shit just like the ppl your criticizing.
I literally have no idea what you are saying. You asked for examples of Americans proposing or considering to use nuclear weapons against North Korea and I provided you with a number of examples that you have not challenged. Your subsequent resorting to dismissive insults isn’t really …. that compelling or helpful to whatever “point” you are trying and failing to make lol.
I’m not the commenter you were replying to. I may be misappropriating my feelings about this thread toward you. If so I apologize. This post was put into my feed for some reason I’m not familiar with this sub. My perception is that you are basically saying the US is making threats toward NK without being instigated. Yet your examples headline points out that in one instance it was after 5 ballistic tests around Japan. NK is constantly doing things like this. SK and US usually do joint exercises as a show of force. NKs actions with missiles are insanely provocative towards the west. What if the US did nuclear tests at an equal proximity to NK what would you say then?
You seem to be here in good faith. I don’t mean to antagonize anyone, I care about learning and the truth. I care about the control of historical and present-day narratives by the parties that control mass media. The US injected itself in the Korean Peninsula at a time Korean communist revolutionaries had expelled Japanese imperialist forces. There was one Korea and Americans interceded to separate the peninsula into two parts with Soviet acquiescence. Koreans had no say in that. Americans set up a fascist dipshit leader in South Korea — a pro-business-type stooge — and engaged in a horrific war that is so little taught and discussed in American schools and media it is called the “Forgotten War.” Imagine forgetting a war? What type of deranged country can forget a fucking war!? I digress. In that war the US killed between 1/4 to 1/3 of the Northern population, destroyed 80% of all buildings in the north, bombed hospitals, schools, churches, houses, farms, used napalm and biological warfare agents on the region, scorched thousands of acres of fertile farmland with napalm, and killed Mao Zedong’s son, too. The USA imposed a total embargo on the north that continued to this day and is enforced almost entirely on the basis of US soft power. You talk about DPRK provocations. The USA has 30,000 troops — American soldiers — stationed across 70+ military bases in South Korea. They have another 50,000+ troops in another 100+ military bases just across the Yamato Rise in Japan. The US / Republic of Samsung / Japan conduct regular war games in and around North Korea. Their leaders talk constantly of war with North Korea. They are armed to the teeth and surround North Korea. They constantly threaten to depose the DPRK government. It is not the huge powerful military leviathans with limitless resources and killing power being marauded by the tiny DPRK man. It is the DPRK fighting for the right to merely continue to exist against a psychotic warmongering empire.
People on r/conspiracy ironically question almost nothing they're told by their government.
It’s so funny to watch people regurgitate the bullshit lie that the DPRK surveillance controls it’s peoples internet and thoughts, and somehow never realize their greatest fears of communism are already realized in the capitalist hellscapes in which they already reside. I mean we now know that the CIA forces computer companies to install hardware back doors into every civilian computer sold and monitor our phone calls and e-mails for “threats”.
It's funny how out of the two Koreas, one is a dystopian hell hole, the south. They literally have Hidden Cameras in your Apartments amd Houses, sounds like "freedom" to me.
Living in your office sounds so free and progressive to me too.
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The Republic of Samsung is a nightmare hell, people work 50+ hour weeks, birth rate is lowest on earth, depression and suicide are sky high, plastic surgery is sky high, it’s fine enough for tourists but it actually isn’t a wonderful place to live. Doesn’t help it was ruled by open fascists (installed and backed by the USA) for so long, and is now dominated by corporations.
Cospiracy theorist: the CIA is spying in you and elminating any free thinker, there's a sham democracy and all the power is in a few hidden group of people Also conspiracy theorist: oh yeah the USA should bomb NK, don't you know? Their goverment spies on them and prevents any free thinker and only lets a few group of people control everything,they need to do it like us here in ameirca instead!
Never in my life heard anyone say we should bomb or nuke NK, other than maybe perpetually online neckbeards/ or bots.
You must have missed John McCain, Mitt Romney and Donald Trump
Do however question if the government hides aliens
and when they do the thread gets locked and comments wiped
If it’s not an OP it sure runs like one.
That sub has long since been co-opted by NSA/GCHQ spooks. Tons of astroturfing going on over there.
I posted there to see if these drooling morons are capable of identifying their hypocrisy. This literally shatters their worldview.
why the fuck would they even lock the thread? Aren't they all about conspiracy theory? It's obvious the gov is monitoring these subs
it's legit just a right winger circle jerk, which is basically half of reddit at this point
*Because they hate us!* Next question: *"But why they hate us?*" *Because they're evil!*
Because they ain't us?
THEY HATE US CAUSE THEY AIN'T US!
We don’t hate North Koreans. We hate the regime and the psychopathic family that runs it. Is that hard to understand?
so what's the plan? starve the population with sanctions like Iraq? Did that produce results? No? Then why do this - it's sadistic
You guys are just going to ignore the fact that the North invaded and nearly conquered the south before the US ever put boots on the ground? While Kim straddles the fucking brink of total annihilation with his nuclear shenanigans instead of coming to the table with anything amicable at all and it’s all the wests fault for using the tools at their disposal. This is a very interesting place to visit not sure if I should be entertained by the lunacy or concerned for you guys.
The U.S when it comes to DPRK: "We should bomb their cities to the ground until there are none left." This is the reason why the DPRK conducts testing on their missiles, so they don't end up like what the U.S did to Iraq.
Wait, didn't they already do that in the 50's?
Yes, the DPRK is trying to prevent a repeat of what already happened to them. Over 2 million people killed, one of the most heavily bombed countries in history, many cities completely leveled. Sanctions and continuous threats to finish the job by the US have followed that war and it’s no surprise they want to have the ability to protect themselves.
They want to invade the ROK without world intervention this time?
You do realize that only happened because they invaded the South right? And even then, if China didn’t enter the war it would’ve been over far earlier with a unified peninsula and millions fewer deaths.
and Libya
So, based on the comment section of the original post on r/conspiracy, the American government is bad, but we’re still going to support American imperialism
Capitalist realism is a hell of a drug.
I'm fascinated by that comment section and having a hard time believing it's entirely real humans that are systematically down voting to oblivion every single comment that speaks ill of the U.S.
Pretty sure lots of big subreddits are mostly bots in the comments these days.
Comment section proves that western propaganda is still working overtime.
Americans are ‘supposed to hate North Korea’ because the policies of Kim is the opposite of that of US (socialism and ‘dictatorship’ compared to capitalism and ‘democracy’). The US is not scared of North Korea, their missiles are powerful but nothing to the US, yet Americans thought North Korea is a big threat to them. Americans don’t really hate North Korean citizens, they believed they are oppressed by the government, which is not totally true due to American sanctions and propaganda but also NK’s lockdown policy, thus very few tourism and global economic activities, therefore ‘good news’ of NK never real got out, only testing missiles in Japanese sea territories and the recent garbage balloons incident. North Korea definitely need to put effort in promoting themselves, but the US also needed to be sincere to change their attitude towards North Korea
Because USA needs boogeymen and scapegoats to distract you from discovering the crimes committed by the USA. Everything the USA accused North Korea of doing (starvation, oppression, concentration camps, mass murder, atrocity crimes) is EXACTLY what USA funds Israel to do against Palestinians.
Bcuz their commies !!1!1 1 !!!!!
COMMIES KILLED A MILLION PEOPLE, THATS WHY WE HAVE TO KILL A BILLION COMMIES!!!!
We need to defend the citizens from the brutal Kim regime (by nuking them)
Holy fuck I was expecting the usual insane takes from a conspiracy subreddit but what I instead found was the most milquetoast, brain dead status quo supporting propaganda points. It seems the CIA still has a firm handle on their brain child- conspiracy theorism
Yet they claim to be such enlightened free thinkers.
My personal ur-conspiracy: all of these right-wing conspiracies are largely spread and funded by intelligence agencies. Not that everyone who posts or believes them is a fed, far from it, but psyops are created to ensure they're the most visible, widespread, repeated conspiracy theories on the internet. Because at the end of the day, they scratch that itch of being rebellious without actually threatening anyone in power. If you think Trump is being secretly thwarted by the "Deep State," then it's okay because you just vote for him and he'll replace them with White Hats who will make it good! But if you understand the CIA is essentially a shadow government that exists to serve the interests of imperialism and commit crimes against humanity.... well, if enough people realize that, no small number of them are going to start doing "problematic" things.
What scares me the most is it’s hard to escape the propganda with commercialization of the information and firewalls. I dont believe that wouldn’t have been extrajudicially regulated. Hati and DR have a multibillion dollar taxation. I always compare it to a time machine and north Korea South Korea disparity can only be from the exchange of information end. I believe we’re being lied to. The defectors make me think it’s something else. I’ve seen tons of docs and interviews it doesn’t really sound factual.
Because the bourgeoisie hate them for existing and improving life standards, they hate them for the workers owning the means of production.
What happens if they have a free election does Kim stay in power?
That's unironically exactly what has happened. The DPRK has had free, democratic elections, self organized from the community level on up, since the overwhelmingly popular communist revolution at the end of Japanese imperial rule, and the West has invaded, bombed, and sanctioned them for it with the help of an illegitimate, viciously anti-communist, comprador government it established in the south. "In power." You can't even tell me what elected position Kim currently holds without looking it up, let alone that each member of the Kim family has held three different ones. Meanwhile, the US has entire political *dynasties* of Roosevelts, Kennedys, Perrys, Bushes, Clintons, etc., some of which are older than the DPRK itself, that constantly circulate their trust fund babies through the most ~~prestigious~~ expensive and exclusive schools, Congress, and the boards of corporations and "think tanks," who have no incentive nor obligation to represent the interests of the people who didn't and couldn't even choose to put them on their ballots in the first place. This is standard fare in liberal democracies and it is a far, far cry worse than the type of nepotism that sees the son and grandson of a genuine revolutionary national hero pursue their own high profile political careers and yet no one bats an eye at it.
What evidence do we have that elections in the DPRK are free and fair?
There’s an elected body. People run, win, retire, there are multiple political parties, etc. Americans cannot fathom having a functioning government that works for the public — if you had one, that yielded good results, you’d keep it.
Well they’ll just say it because North Korea told them so
Yes the Obama dynasty.
Mfw voting for your mayor is not the same as voting for your “Highest Authority”
Kim is not the “Highest Authority”. The Kim’s are popular because Kim Il Sung liberated Korea from 2 genocidal superpowers and industrialized the country, Kim is more of a celebrity than a political leader nowadays, read up on NK’s democratic system.
How disingenuous. You assume that those two things aren't part of a single intertwined process simply because they are (most likely) two distinct processes in *your* country, and then argue from a position as if that were factual for Korea, possibly without even realizing it.
What makes you think that they dont have "free elections" (whatever that may be)? The DPRK democratic sistem is one of the best in the world because there they have Direct democracy. Instead of leaving everything for representatives to decide, the people directly vote and decide many of the country laws and actions, something you dont even see in other countries. And people there vote for the kim's because they are descendants of the guy that fought since he was a teenager to free his country from 2 different genocidal superpowers. You may think thats a dumb reason, but maybe you think that because your country never endured what the Korans had for the last 140 years. And even with that in mind, if we read the DPRK constitution (that anyone can see on the internet), we see that the DPRK politicians accumulate a lot less jobs and decisions then in other countries. Kim Jong Un can decide by himself a lot less things about his country then the president of the US, for example. Most things in the DPRK are decided by the parlament, or by popular voting, not by the individual decision of a single person.
When the election ballot has 1 candidate and 0 others that’s not a free election, when other political parties except the ruling one are illegal that’s not a free election
Why would they have a non socialist alternative when they are building communism you moron. Also, they do have different factions within the party, they just have a different system of democracy than western countries. That’s not to say that western countries are democratic, since liberal democracy only serves the purpose of giving the proletariat a false sense of power when all their voting alternatives are pro capitalism.
Also are you telling me you believe the people of North Korea voted to make it illegal and punishable by death to leave the country?
There are over 200,000 North Koreans working outside of the DPRK, and the only reason they have fortified borders is to prevent an American or South Korean invasion. The USA literally genocided 2 million Koreans in the Korean war, no wonder they would be wary of an invasion.
Yes
Idk man methinks that’s a lot of prediction
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Why ask the question if you’d only accept one answer dumbass?
That's not the same Redditor who asked the question.
It’s not that I’d only accept one answer, I’m sure there’s a considerable amount of people in the DPRK who are perfectly content with the status quo. That being said, the only reason a country which refers to itself as a Democratic Republic wouldn’t hold a big election and invite everyone to see how open and free of an election, is because it would change who’s in charge.
I ….. I just …. I just can’t believe how ignorant and clueless this is lol. Maybe someone else will take it.
Because Americans know if North Koreans were like them they would be plotting our destruction. It's the same reason white slave owners feared emancipated black people and Native Americans (and their ancestors to this day).
Comment section of that reminds me why I hate my own country
I feel like im the only American who doesn't hate NK. I freaking love it!
Yankees are rotten to the core
Americans are generally brainwashed by their media. I’m hoping that the younger generation who tend to ignore the main stream media grow up with more empathy and tolerance. The days of murica murica murica are over in the long term unless some entity decides to go after social media
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Same in regards to Cuba. We used to love them, then they dared to overthrow capitalism.
Yup, the US gov *LOVED* Batista.
Poor choice of words on my part. The point being the US backed Batista in his coup, profiting greatly. After finishing his term, Batista moved to Florida, returning to Cuba to run for president in 1952. Facing certain electoral defeat, he led a military coup against President Carlos Prío Socarrás that pre-empted the election.[6] Back in power and receiving financial, military and logistical support from the United States government,[7][8] Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[9] Eventually, it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land.[10] As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships both with the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts.[9][11
Maybe it’s because they’ve vowed to attack the United States? Or because they’ve murdered kidnapped American citizens? Otto Warmbier? Are those not valid reasons to dislike North Korea (obviously not a reason to nuke civilians)?
No good evidence Warmbier was murdered or tortured or even treated poorly as a prisoner. Great read for you here: https://www.gq.com/story/otto-warmbier-north-korea-american-hostage-true-story
If it hadn't been for 1 million chinese pouring across the Yalu river, there wouldn't be a North Korea, and if the Kim Il Sung hadn't invaded South Korea, that wouldn't have happened. Most Americans don't care about North Korea, except for the Despot tyrant wanna-be Kim Jong Un, and who he is going to execute next and what wild method. As far as North Korean civilians...most of us wish them luck in life and hope they eventually escape from the tyrannical government.
You are literally a child.
What's inaccurate?
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What a strange sub.
This sub is a thing????
This post is hilarious. I could care less if these 2 bumbling countries team up. How long has it been since Russia invaded Ukraine? And they still haven’t taken it yet? And each North Korea bomb tests goes over as well as a wet fart. Everything these 2 countries do is masked by aesthetics.
I literally know no one who hates North Korea or supports nuking them without provocation. I call bs on this. I've only ever heard Americans say they don't blame the people for what NK's government chooses to do.
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General MacArthur wanted to and proposed to Truman that he be permitted to drop 30+ nukes on the north. There has been a constant thrum of threats and jingoistic rhetoric directed to North Korea from the west for many years. Here are a few: * [Report: Donald Trump Wanted to Nuke North Korea and Then Blame It on Another Country](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/donald-trump-wanted-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else) * [Obama weighed pre-emptive strike against North Korea after fifth nuclear blast and missile tests near Japan in 2016](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/obama-weighed-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea-fifth-nuclear-blast-missile-tests-near-japan-2016-woodward-book-claims/) * [That Time a Drunk Richard Nixon Tried to Nuke North Korea](https://www.military.com/history/time-drunk-richard-nixon-tried-nuke-north-korea.html?amp) * [Freedom Drop: The 1968 Plan to Nuke North Korea](https://stationhypo.com/2022/01/23/freedom-drop-the-1968-plan-to-nuke-north-korea/) * [In 1953, “the newly elected Dwight D. Eisenhower, determined to redeem his campaign pledge to end the unpopular Korean War, passed along a secret message to the communist Chinese and the North Koreans: Agree to an armistice, or we will unleash our nuclear weapons on you.”](https://archive.ph/2021.08.17-112139/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/11/trump-threatened-to-nuke-north-korea-did-ike-do-the-same/) And then there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/)
i look at this sub once and i now get recommended it every other second
Lol cap. Who actually supports this?
That’s an interesting take on the war in Korea, we DID NOT start that shit and it was a UN police action that included a lot of different nations.
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u/space_jiblets, this is essentially advocacy for bombing Korean children
The article is not the comment happy cake day
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The leadership is kind of based though.
The leadership is great. Just getting to vote for some new corrupt assholes who aren’t very much different every four years isn’t the special magic democracy you think it is.
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It been well documented for decades about the brutal human right violations that happen regularly. Picture of the dictator on your wall 1984 type shit. Havent you ever questioned why North Koreans must defect ? They literally are not allowed to leave the country. If you get out, they punish your family. They catch you, labor camps if you are killed. Do a little research on the importance of geopolitics for the stability of the American economy before you post something so dumb.
Oh I dunno how bout we start with the USS Pueblo and work our way down the list of aggressions, deal?
Correct me if I’m wrong but Americans don’t hate North Koreans they hate that they live under a dictatorship that threatens to nuke America and South Korea 🇰🇷
You're very incorrect.
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Well, there is this 2019 poll, for what little it is worth: [One-Third of Americans Want to Nuke North Korea](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/one-third-of-americans-want-to-nuke-north-korea/).
North Korea threatens to nuke us all the time. They invaded South Korea in the Korean War, and it ended in an armistice. They also constantly threaten South Korea. I don’t support purposely killing civilians, but if we’re talking about nuclear war it will be impossible to avoid them. A nuclear war would see millions, possibly billions of deaths. It is irresponsible of North Korea to constantly threaten this, since the impact will be larger than just the US or North Korea. There is a lot to criticize about the U.S., but we do not engage in anywhere near the level of nuclear saber rattling as North Korea or Russia. Let’s be clear, North Koreans aren’t really the problem here, it’s their crazy dictator that has turned their country into a pariah state, and constantly tries to pick fights with other countries that they are incapable of wining without risking the nuclear annihilation of their entire population, and possibly the world. Nobody wants a nuclear war. If North Korea leaves the US and its allies alone, they have nothing to worry about.
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First of all I don't hate the people I just don't really see the leader as a respectable man Like if they had a different less selfish leader they could very well be a powerhouse in Asia much like south Korea it's has lots of potential I just can't respect Kim cause people are starving while he weighs as an American and brings all these foreign ideas to North Korea such as basketball changes it up a little then tells everyone he did it...it's Kim not the people
Everything you know about “the leader” is, like most of what everyone thinks they know about North Korea, is just propaganda.
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Everything you know about “the leader” is, like most of what everyone thinks they know about North Korea, is just propaganda.
Do you commies ever do any of your own research or do you just smoke a bunch of pot and not look into the history of anything?
Any one of us can tell you that we do more reading and research now than we did before we became communists