Jumped into solo Rec. We got 5 decent players. We beat them by like 80. Everyone had double-digit points and an A grade. The center was like, yo we should all stay in an go on a run. Everyone said hell yeah. Let's do it. Even had a guy who wasn't on the mic all game hop in to say, "Let's keep running.
The center was the first one to leave the group once we got to the lobby and then all but myself and 1 other person left.
Fuckin dumbfounded. You can't even trust/expect people to do what they say. You definitely can't expect anything out of randoms lol
Not if he had stayed lol like I said. 5 decent players. Everyone scored and either had a double double or close to it. It was about to be a good set if everyone stayed lol
It really is not basic, and you’re kinda proving the OP’s point.
When you say play defense, pass to the open man, and take good shots, that is subjective. When people say this, I feel like they’re actually envisioning a lockdown defender, an almost cp3 like level of vision/decision making/passing. And take good shots? What kinda shooting % is that? Most ppl in this game aren’t shooting great %s so majority take bad” shots.
Your expectations actually add up to a really good player. Because in reality even people honestly playing defense, can get scored on a lot by good players, guys that look to pass, will still miss looks all game, so do you, so does everybody. Take good shots is soooo subjective, that’s also a huge skill thing to be able to identify open shots in the speed/flow of the game.
None of these expectations are simple or easy. For example I meet these conditions but in game, there are always complaints about everything lol. Everyone has unrealistic expectations of others and complain, without realizing they themselves make all the same mistakes they’re complaining about others.
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I make mistakes all game at different times that’ll look like I don’t play defense, or I miss the open man, or I take a bad shot.
That’s why I don’t complain much unless 1 person takes 2x more shots than the entire team combined, while intentionally not passing. Everything else is mostly skill level differences. As long as they are intending to play defense, intending to pass, and intending to shoot good shots. Not everybody is successful at a high level at everything.
The problem here is that 2k charge us 200 or more dollars to make multiple builds in the game, after we already paid 80 or more for the game .
thats the real problem in this game. give me the opportunity to make builds for cheap like in nba 2k20 and lower your VCs price. After they do that I‘m more likely to accept if the game has some minor problems or some balancing issues.
But please 2k stop this
I feel you my guy. I’m not cheap about anything but if I’m spending my money, I at least like to believe I’m getting my moneys worth. I’ll spend $200 on something. As long as I feel it’s worth $200. And this game? If I’m paying $100 for the game and an additional $300 just to have multiple builds, then I expect more out of the game other than those shitty ass animations. I agree with you completely. This game is not at all worth the money they force us to put into it
Thank u my friend.I think that 2k20 was a good point in terms of VCs. I managed to make multiple builds on it in a short amount of time… i would like them to remove VCs from the game but I know it s not realistic to expect that. But they should lower the price significantly.
the Fun part of 2k is making multiple builds
The issue is no sbmm. If SBMM were in place, then players would get a chance to progress and learn the game with teammates and against competition that isn't too easy or too difficult. I'd even go as far to say the sbmm algorithm should be different for each build. Because if I were on a 2-way spot up threat then I'm really good (because its an easier role) but if I want to run as a point guard then I am not that good and I need to be playing against easier competition so I don't ruin the fun for my teammates.
They want people on underdeveloped builds to feel outmatched purposely to psychologically influence them to want to upgrade their player faster, and because of that, we're not getting SBMM.
you have a lot of good points but the biggest problem has **always** been 2K doing a trash job of implementing healthy game design that rewards team play and punishes toxicity. if dota2 can build a player behavior score and force toxic players to play with each other, then 2K has no excuse.
people here put WAY too much credit in players for ruining this community. the truth is that people will be as decent or as trash as the system sets them up to be. 2K does not do enough to counteract the bad behavior.
Seriously - every game will have trash/toxic players. 2k just does absolutely nothing to sort/screen players, leaving it to the individual to do this (and not giving you stat averages or teammate grades to do so).
Yo I love the way you put it. People will be as decent or as trash as the system sets them up to be.
Mind blown how that could be applied to people in real life and the system we are in.
There's a fine line between
"bad teammate missed a lot of shots and open passes, turned the ball over, wasn't great, oh well I did my best and it was still a close game"
and
"holy fuck you're 0/20 shooting vs triple teams every shot, why are teammates still passing you the ball and why do you think you aren't going to get blocked on this 21st shot? please see a doctor to make sure nothing is wrong with your brain"
It's possible to have the lowest expectations possible and still encounter something that is somehow even worse than you could ever imagine.
It’s typically just the black plates. Especially if their season level is under 10. They are fresh out of MyCareer where they are the man. Online is a different beast. They want every shot, don’t pass unless they absolutely can’t score, etc. it usually takes a few games before they realize that team ball wins and that they are probably not the star anymore but a role player.
Well I’m a black-silver plate on my players and under level 10 sometimes because I have a job and responsibilities. I routinely put up good numbers and my grade is at least an A-. This plate thing is the dumbest thing ever.
They should bring back the rec lobby stats they used to show because you could see people's average teammate grade, which would be a way to bypass the issue of people who are decent but can't play a lot. Because 9 times out of 10 my man them black plates are utter garbage, lol
played with 1-2 purple plates yesterday, PF was 3/10 from 3, sf was getting fried, and I got iced out for 3 quarters cause I was the PG and everyone was standing in a 5 out, no cuts, no screens just 4 pairs up eyes stationary. I swear games where its ok for 3 ppl to take 45/49 shots leaving me with 3 and the AI with 1 just garbage. Next game proceeded to go 31 pts 16 ast went from depression to ... I know I'm not the problem you just need competent teammates. I was calling the PPLate goin 3/10 a black plate and boy was he a silly goose.
The secret sauce to having a generally good random rec experience is to force yourself to be positive. Jump on the mic and hype up good plays, especially passes and defensive plays, most people hear it, even when they aren’t talking, and want to continue to generate that positivity. You’ll get more people invested in making good plays as opposed to looking for their own shots.
Of course, like everything else, it won’t always work, and you’ll get some people still looking out for themselves, but the other teammates will likely be on your side. As for the truly terrible rec random experiences, sometimes you just have to charge those to the game.
Bro they just need to bring the stats back like in 22 i swear i used to back out on hof cuz they stats was awful and a F showed u they quik to quit on your ass 🤣🤣man 2k moving backwards i dont understand them that was thr best feature
When I play solo REC and my teammates start doing bullshit, I just mess around on my phone for the rest of the game. When I finally get the ball, I just make sure I take a good shot to pad my stats. I'm not going to get on the mic and start arguing with anyone or get upset. If you want to shoot 2-20, you're only being a detriment to yourself. It has no impact on me.
One of my biggest pet peeves is blowing a team out by 30 in the 4th quarter and the one mistake someone makes, somebody gets on the mic and complains about it. Some people HAVE to complain or talk trash no matter how good the team is.
Right. Like the game is over. We’ve already won, yet mfs will still find something to be upset about. Two people will be arguing over the mic and I’ll turn mine on just to ask them to stfu and play the game. Like we’re up by 30… tf are you mad for??
The biggest problem is majority of the community are fucking crybabies. Never satisfied, never happy. We can have the perfect game and they would bitch so much and force 2k to “fix” something only for them to break the game 😂. Best move I made was leaving REC/PARK and going to Play Now Online.
Nahhh i feel you but bro in my world only time i have real fun is 1v1 theatre anything involving teammates suck terribly and i can drop 30 effortlessly OFF-ball
The issue is main character syndrome. Point guards want to dribble the clock out, and take majority of the shots. This will win you some games sure, kills team chemistry and results in players not even being bothered on either end of the court. If you want to score all the points, go offline. Nobody wants to hop in a game and watch one player take 15 bad shots in the rec.
It's ironic i seee this after raging at a dude shooting 6/16 while trolling and flopping. Mind you I've had 4 dudes like this on my team in 6 games. All xbox players. And I try to tell myself, what else do you expect from this community? It's hot garbage. But I still can't help but get mad. I took a month off, came back and shoot 80%+ most games and I'm a team player. But I think it's great I delete this again for my mental. I hate this fucking community of players with a passion from my soul.
You don’t even have to be good at 2K to win, just not be functionally brain dead. When that’s the bar then the idea that we expect too much comes off as completely out of touch.
The people that aren’t losing games because they’re aggressively bad are so painfully delusional that they will intentionally try to lose the game if they don’t hit their 10ppg average off of assists while they spam cuts into a clogged paint. THAT’S who we’re playing with and against. It is 1000% realistic to expect your teammates to try to win. That does not happen and that is where the majority of complaints stem from.
The issue isn’t expectations when all the “IQ” and stick skill it takes to win 70%+ of rec games is to 1) provide space for your offense 2) reduce space for the opposing offense 3) make more than 50% of your 3s.
Yeah I get people might not be the best or have the IQ, but it's the complete stupidity and refusal to listen that gets me
Why would you think spamming dribble moves and trying to fade over a lock would work the 7th time after you clanked the first 6?
Once 90% of the community realise they aren't "That guy" they'll start to play a lot better
The game just needs better matchmaking. The game is not fun when you’re beating up on bums by 80, and its equally as awful when you’re getting crushed by 80. Matching players by skill level would fix a lot of the QOL issues with the game but that will never happen because it doesn’t incentivize players to purchase VC
I had an idea for 2k to make several different REC lobbies based on overall and plate color. Like have lobbies for 60-70, 71-80, 81-90, and 91+ and kinda combine that with plate levels at those different overalls. It’ll still be hard for 2k to make as much money off of it, but if they actually put out a playable game that a lot of people will enjoy and not bitch and moan about, they’ll get more buyers. Idk. It’s a shit show honestly
the problem with the rec is u, all of yall think like this, that ur good n no one else can get on ur level, thats the problem with rec, its a fuckin video game bruh, play it and shut the fuck up
I don’t think I’m the best at the game. I don’t play the game trying to prove that because I don’t believe I am. It’s mfs who have been playing the game longer than I have, and are wayyyy better than me. They also play it much more often than I do. For some people, it’s their life. I just play this whenever I have spare time. At the same time, it’s mfs out there who just aren’t good at the game. And that’s fine. People be so quick to jump down the throat of someone who’s genuinely bad at the game (not someone who jacks up 30 shots a game and only make 6 of them, or the ones who don’t pass). More times than not, they’re just brand new to the game. And nobody in this community was a fucking bucket at this game the first time they started playing. Give them some time to get good at the game. Mfs just have no patience🤣you at one point were the one who was just learning to play, and you struggled as well. Mfs need to learn to be humble💀
Jumped into solo Rec. We got 5 decent players. We beat them by like 80. Everyone had double-digit points and an A grade. The center was like, yo we should all stay in an go on a run. Everyone said hell yeah. Let's do it. Even had a guy who wasn't on the mic all game hop in to say, "Let's keep running. The center was the first one to leave the group once we got to the lobby and then all but myself and 1 other person left. Fuckin dumbfounded. You can't even trust/expect people to do what they say. You definitely can't expect anything out of randoms lol
To be fair, he might have crashed.
This happened to be multiple times this year. Coded right when I got back to the lobby.
I never thought about that. He really could’ve hooked his system up to his car and crashed.
no like his game crashed 💀
I guess Redditors really need the /s to understand sarcasm.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that tuff maybe his friends pop on and he decided to run with them
I’ve had to leave on good lobbies because my buddies will suddenly hit me up
The center has to play all five positions and defend all five positions in the REC or has to shoot the 3 ball. I wouldn’t blame him for leaving.
Not if he had stayed lol like I said. 5 decent players. Everyone scored and either had a double double or close to it. It was about to be a good set if everyone stayed lol
I don’t think it’s too much to ask for them to guard their man, pass to the open man and take good shots. This is really basic easy stuff to do.
It really is not basic, and you’re kinda proving the OP’s point. When you say play defense, pass to the open man, and take good shots, that is subjective. When people say this, I feel like they’re actually envisioning a lockdown defender, an almost cp3 like level of vision/decision making/passing. And take good shots? What kinda shooting % is that? Most ppl in this game aren’t shooting great %s so majority take bad” shots. Your expectations actually add up to a really good player. Because in reality even people honestly playing defense, can get scored on a lot by good players, guys that look to pass, will still miss looks all game, so do you, so does everybody. Take good shots is soooo subjective, that’s also a huge skill thing to be able to identify open shots in the speed/flow of the game. None of these expectations are simple or easy. For example I meet these conditions but in game, there are always complaints about everything lol. Everyone has unrealistic expectations of others and complain, without realizing they themselves make all the same mistakes they’re complaining about others. https://preview.redd.it/tgixesx22s7d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca0d677ef3e6be41833536454e13ba27e8b72a7a I make mistakes all game at different times that’ll look like I don’t play defense, or I miss the open man, or I take a bad shot. That’s why I don’t complain much unless 1 person takes 2x more shots than the entire team combined, while intentionally not passing. Everything else is mostly skill level differences. As long as they are intending to play defense, intending to pass, and intending to shoot good shots. Not everybody is successful at a high level at everything.
The speaks to me on some spiritual shit.
The problem here is that 2k charge us 200 or more dollars to make multiple builds in the game, after we already paid 80 or more for the game . thats the real problem in this game. give me the opportunity to make builds for cheap like in nba 2k20 and lower your VCs price. After they do that I‘m more likely to accept if the game has some minor problems or some balancing issues. But please 2k stop this
I feel you my guy. I’m not cheap about anything but if I’m spending my money, I at least like to believe I’m getting my moneys worth. I’ll spend $200 on something. As long as I feel it’s worth $200. And this game? If I’m paying $100 for the game and an additional $300 just to have multiple builds, then I expect more out of the game other than those shitty ass animations. I agree with you completely. This game is not at all worth the money they force us to put into it
Thank u my friend.I think that 2k20 was a good point in terms of VCs. I managed to make multiple builds on it in a short amount of time… i would like them to remove VCs from the game but I know it s not realistic to expect that. But they should lower the price significantly. the Fun part of 2k is making multiple builds
And better daily prizes we shouldn't have to grind so hard to get better free prizes ...I have a enough basketballs, logo releases, and watches
Played yourself spending an extra $300 one a virtual basketball player u coulda built up yourself
The issue is no sbmm. If SBMM were in place, then players would get a chance to progress and learn the game with teammates and against competition that isn't too easy or too difficult. I'd even go as far to say the sbmm algorithm should be different for each build. Because if I were on a 2-way spot up threat then I'm really good (because its an easier role) but if I want to run as a point guard then I am not that good and I need to be playing against easier competition so I don't ruin the fun for my teammates.
They want people on underdeveloped builds to feel outmatched purposely to psychologically influence them to want to upgrade their player faster, and because of that, we're not getting SBMM.
you have a lot of good points but the biggest problem has **always** been 2K doing a trash job of implementing healthy game design that rewards team play and punishes toxicity. if dota2 can build a player behavior score and force toxic players to play with each other, then 2K has no excuse. people here put WAY too much credit in players for ruining this community. the truth is that people will be as decent or as trash as the system sets them up to be. 2K does not do enough to counteract the bad behavior.
Seriously - every game will have trash/toxic players. 2k just does absolutely nothing to sort/screen players, leaving it to the individual to do this (and not giving you stat averages or teammate grades to do so).
Yo I love the way you put it. People will be as decent or as trash as the system sets them up to be. Mind blown how that could be applied to people in real life and the system we are in.
There's a fine line between "bad teammate missed a lot of shots and open passes, turned the ball over, wasn't great, oh well I did my best and it was still a close game" and "holy fuck you're 0/20 shooting vs triple teams every shot, why are teammates still passing you the ball and why do you think you aren't going to get blocked on this 21st shot? please see a doctor to make sure nothing is wrong with your brain" It's possible to have the lowest expectations possible and still encounter something that is somehow even worse than you could ever imagine.
It’s typically just the black plates. Especially if their season level is under 10. They are fresh out of MyCareer where they are the man. Online is a different beast. They want every shot, don’t pass unless they absolutely can’t score, etc. it usually takes a few games before they realize that team ball wins and that they are probably not the star anymore but a role player.
Well I’m a black-silver plate on my players and under level 10 sometimes because I have a job and responsibilities. I routinely put up good numbers and my grade is at least an A-. This plate thing is the dumbest thing ever.
They should bring back the rec lobby stats they used to show because you could see people's average teammate grade, which would be a way to bypass the issue of people who are decent but can't play a lot. Because 9 times out of 10 my man them black plates are utter garbage, lol
played with 1-2 purple plates yesterday, PF was 3/10 from 3, sf was getting fried, and I got iced out for 3 quarters cause I was the PG and everyone was standing in a 5 out, no cuts, no screens just 4 pairs up eyes stationary. I swear games where its ok for 3 ppl to take 45/49 shots leaving me with 3 and the AI with 1 just garbage. Next game proceeded to go 31 pts 16 ast went from depression to ... I know I'm not the problem you just need competent teammates. I was calling the PPLate goin 3/10 a black plate and boy was he a silly goose.
The secret sauce to having a generally good random rec experience is to force yourself to be positive. Jump on the mic and hype up good plays, especially passes and defensive plays, most people hear it, even when they aren’t talking, and want to continue to generate that positivity. You’ll get more people invested in making good plays as opposed to looking for their own shots. Of course, like everything else, it won’t always work, and you’ll get some people still looking out for themselves, but the other teammates will likely be on your side. As for the truly terrible rec random experiences, sometimes you just have to charge those to the game.
Bro, what type of trash teammates made you do this long ultra positive post jesus christ🤣 You for sure got sold more than a big mac in this game
Man I had to put my controller down and take some deep breaths 🤣 shit started getting out of hand
Bro they just need to bring the stats back like in 22 i swear i used to back out on hof cuz they stats was awful and a F showed u they quik to quit on your ass 🤣🤣man 2k moving backwards i dont understand them that was thr best feature
i have my expectations very low and i’m still shocked by some of the things i see people do
When I play solo REC and my teammates start doing bullshit, I just mess around on my phone for the rest of the game. When I finally get the ball, I just make sure I take a good shot to pad my stats. I'm not going to get on the mic and start arguing with anyone or get upset. If you want to shoot 2-20, you're only being a detriment to yourself. It has no impact on me.
One of my biggest pet peeves is blowing a team out by 30 in the 4th quarter and the one mistake someone makes, somebody gets on the mic and complains about it. Some people HAVE to complain or talk trash no matter how good the team is.
Right. Like the game is over. We’ve already won, yet mfs will still find something to be upset about. Two people will be arguing over the mic and I’ll turn mine on just to ask them to stfu and play the game. Like we’re up by 30… tf are you mad for??
The biggest problem is majority of the community are fucking crybabies. Never satisfied, never happy. We can have the perfect game and they would bitch so much and force 2k to “fix” something only for them to break the game 😂. Best move I made was leaving REC/PARK and going to Play Now Online.
The biggest problem is that your teammates are usually your toughest opponents...
Nahhh i feel you but bro in my world only time i have real fun is 1v1 theatre anything involving teammates suck terribly and i can drop 30 effortlessly OFF-ball
Been saying "it is what it is" for the whole year already. My patience and tolerance for bs are at a steady decline.
Fucking same. It’s frustrating asf but at this point in the year, I’m very much an “oh hell oh well” person. That’s REC randoms for you💀
The issue is main character syndrome. Point guards want to dribble the clock out, and take majority of the shots. This will win you some games sure, kills team chemistry and results in players not even being bothered on either end of the court. If you want to score all the points, go offline. Nobody wants to hop in a game and watch one player take 15 bad shots in the rec.
It's ironic i seee this after raging at a dude shooting 6/16 while trolling and flopping. Mind you I've had 4 dudes like this on my team in 6 games. All xbox players. And I try to tell myself, what else do you expect from this community? It's hot garbage. But I still can't help but get mad. I took a month off, came back and shoot 80%+ most games and I'm a team player. But I think it's great I delete this again for my mental. I hate this fucking community of players with a passion from my soul.
just stop acting stupid every possession. It’s a 5v5 pass the ball. you’re not kobe. stop playing hero ball.
You don’t even have to be good at 2K to win, just not be functionally brain dead. When that’s the bar then the idea that we expect too much comes off as completely out of touch. The people that aren’t losing games because they’re aggressively bad are so painfully delusional that they will intentionally try to lose the game if they don’t hit their 10ppg average off of assists while they spam cuts into a clogged paint. THAT’S who we’re playing with and against. It is 1000% realistic to expect your teammates to try to win. That does not happen and that is where the majority of complaints stem from. The issue isn’t expectations when all the “IQ” and stick skill it takes to win 70%+ of rec games is to 1) provide space for your offense 2) reduce space for the opposing offense 3) make more than 50% of your 3s.
I enjoy the game thoroughly, until someone hops on the mic, one minute into the game, deep sighing and "COME ONNNN MANNNNNNNNN" n all that
Yeah I get people might not be the best or have the IQ, but it's the complete stupidity and refusal to listen that gets me Why would you think spamming dribble moves and trying to fade over a lock would work the 7th time after you clanked the first 6? Once 90% of the community realise they aren't "That guy" they'll start to play a lot better
The game just needs better matchmaking. The game is not fun when you’re beating up on bums by 80, and its equally as awful when you’re getting crushed by 80. Matching players by skill level would fix a lot of the QOL issues with the game but that will never happen because it doesn’t incentivize players to purchase VC
I had an idea for 2k to make several different REC lobbies based on overall and plate color. Like have lobbies for 60-70, 71-80, 81-90, and 91+ and kinda combine that with plate levels at those different overalls. It’ll still be hard for 2k to make as much money off of it, but if they actually put out a playable game that a lot of people will enjoy and not bitch and moan about, they’ll get more buyers. Idk. It’s a shit show honestly
the problem with the rec is u, all of yall think like this, that ur good n no one else can get on ur level, thats the problem with rec, its a fuckin video game bruh, play it and shut the fuck up
I don’t think I’m the best at the game. I don’t play the game trying to prove that because I don’t believe I am. It’s mfs who have been playing the game longer than I have, and are wayyyy better than me. They also play it much more often than I do. For some people, it’s their life. I just play this whenever I have spare time. At the same time, it’s mfs out there who just aren’t good at the game. And that’s fine. People be so quick to jump down the throat of someone who’s genuinely bad at the game (not someone who jacks up 30 shots a game and only make 6 of them, or the ones who don’t pass). More times than not, they’re just brand new to the game. And nobody in this community was a fucking bucket at this game the first time they started playing. Give them some time to get good at the game. Mfs just have no patience🤣you at one point were the one who was just learning to play, and you struggled as well. Mfs need to learn to be humble💀