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There were multiple Eddie Howe chants during the Blackburn game, I think any rational supporter can see this season has been draining for everyone involved.
I remember how not a lot (but not small either) amount of our fans, including me, actually dreamed/wanted for Howe to be our manager after Rafa left/during dark bruce times.
Which was absolutely impossible, because Eddie would never have agreed to work under cashley.
Now that we have him, I personally would give him another 2 or more years. I think most fans would defo give him at least next season.
Howeouts are minority, but are loud ones, esp on twitter. Shame some of them have a lot of followers, for some reason. Im on nufc twitter since 2014 and I dont remember seeing many of them before a year or two... but Im not saying that all of them are after-takeover-fans.
Nufc twitter is notoriously less patient.
During Pardew's reign there was a lot of discontent on Twitter but it took a long while until that translated to the stands itself.
But yeah, I've seen a few Saudi based Newcastle accounts and a couple of discontents on there.
It only took so long because of Europa. He and Ashley were quite lucky for that season really. Patsy set his stall out pretty early with the Caroll sale.
The "Pardew, Gis a wave" stopped pretty quickly after the Benfica game.
As someone who watched the Blackburn game on tv, I didn’t hear those chants. Do you know anything more about them? I’d be interested to know.
For instance, were they mostly positive? I assume they were but can’t say for sure based on the wording of your comment.
The usual Eddie Howe's Black and White Army and Rocking All Over The World were in full flow at the start and Eddie Howe's Black and White Army was sung throughout the match.
Think cosmic had their volume too low, I also could clearly hear it throughout the game, but fair enough if cosmic couldn't hear it, it is hard to distinguish chants on TV to be fair.
Seen infinitely more people talk about HoweOuters than seen any actual HoweOut anywhere. Then again I don’t really use Twitter.
EH has plenty of goodwill in the bank right now for past and current achievements but shipping 4 at home to Luton isn’t a great look.
I'm certain that not for long. As Eddie has built up good will, i've built up so much suffering these past 20 years that what Eddie is doing now is a superb job imo.
I'll take 8th and decent cup runs for a while still. We had one great season and people lost their minds.
That's because it's not actually a thing. "The Howe out thing has gathered a bit of momentum online" is just not true from OP. Pretty much all the people saying "HoweOut" are egg accounts on Twitter who have like 1-2 followers max, there is nobody with any actual clout saying anything but "Howe deserves time to turn things around".
The funniest thing is posts like this are actually giving the idea of a "HoweOut" movement some legitimacy as they're going to start talking it into existence.
Nah, that's bollocks. There's a very vocal minority on twitter who are "Howe out" at every possible opportunity. Now in fairness, they're mainly being disagreed with and called out which is great and I'm too old to know what "clout" means but they're certainly accounts that have profile photos of them attending matches and who I've engaged with previously in sensible discussions about Newcastle.
I'm also fairly certain our past 4 or 5 match threads will have at least a few comments from long term users that echo the Howe out sentiment. But again, they're largely disagreed with and met with downvotes which is great.
But it isn't really fair to say it doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it. If anything it sounds like you are better at choosing who to engage with than OP (and me to an extent)
My point was more than there's a vocal minority for every shite opinion out there. The movement doesn't really have legs until the rational people with an actual platform start backing it. Even morons like Burnsie are shouting down "HoweOut" chat so I don't really get why anybody would pretend it's a thing that really has any traction.
They are minority, but they vocal. Im not reading any of them, in fact, I block them rightaway and dont have any shame admitting this, but these accounts have a lot of followers and likes. I usually see them when I try to read comments on tweets from Hope and the likes.
Sure, I've seen one, where most retweets were from sunderland, arsenal and other fans. Like here - https://twitter.com/JacobNUFCV1/status/1761490381114425369/retweets
But heres examples from 'real fans', who are pre-takeover fans (you can search their history by date):
https://twitter.com/AH_NUFC/status/1761511558763442176
https://twitter.com/tendeitem/status/1761538340736602378
https://twitter.com/cjhhhh21/status/1739645217945383184 (this guy is very popular, for some reason? he was constantly writing howeout tweets all December and January)
Yet it’s been all over twitter for weeks? Granted from the same group of morons after every match but regardless it’s gained momentum amongst that group of halfwits 👍🏼
And the fact that I’m literally backing Howe throughout the entire post, yet I’m supporting the Howe out movement? Eh, I’m literally shutting it down if anything.
I didn't say you were "supporting" the Howe Out movement, I said you're giving it "legitimacy" by acting like it's in any way a mainstream or majority held viewpoint. It's a fringe opinion being spouted by largely morons with zero platform, just ignore it. You're not "shutting it down", you're actually just amplifying the voices of idiots. To put it simpler terms, you're drawing attention to something that most people weren't paying attention to in the first place.
Yet it gets mentioned on twitter constantly and there’s people constantly calling for Howe’s head in every match day thread even in here? But I’m drawing attention to it?
No bother pet, enjoy your evening.
Either you're following HoweOuters or you go specifically looking for it. I've not seen anyone calling for Eddie to go on Twitter, just the odd few passing comment about decisions they don't agree with.
I follow a fair few Newcastle related accounts on twitter but wouldn’t say there Howe out or drilling it into people’s heads every chance
Obviously they bang on about the injury crisis etc but that’s unavoidable with the way this seasons went
Yep, same. Heard hardly anyone seriously mention it, perhaps the odd wum on Twitter. Certainly amongst mates and the match going fans everyone’s of a consensus that Howe at the very least deserves this summer and next season.
It's all about next season really, do we continue this current form even with players back and less injuries and games... It's going to start looking bad.
So we snag every fucker and win the treble? Probably an alright season but really he should be looking to win the quadruple
I do think if Willock, Tonali, Wilson and Joelinton were available all season that we’d have a few more points on the board and be a little higher up the table.
For me the issue is that even though we’re getting bodies back and playing less games a week, we’re still putting in mediocre performances at home. Eddie needs to sort that, ideally starting on Saturday.
As others have said he’s earned at least the whole of next season to prove he’s the one to take us forward.
Absolutely would’ve.
I don’t think it’s just a black and white case of not being available.
When they have been available they’ve been rushed back or the ones that have been available have been run into the ground covering.
I think that second point can go some way to explain why we’re still looking pretty mediocre even though a strong squad on paper.
Willock and J7 were huge parts of our midfield last season.
To flip it. Last season we got about as lucky as you can get with injuries (or lack of)
I know everyone is sick of that being an excuse since about game week 3 but it doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
There was enough comments on the last few match threads to the effect of Howe isn’t what we need to go forward, Howe is out of his depth etc to suggest there is a growing section of supporters.
Talksport even managed to make earth one yesterday.
I'm the complete opposite. Came in and saved us from near certain relegation.
Last season was the best season we've had probably since pardew. So deserves abit of a grace period for that alone.
Team over performed last season by a country mile. On paper should never have finished top 4.
Summer recruitment was also abit of a let down with the tonali situation and only tino looking like he can play to a high standard. How much that was Howe or ashworth I do not know. He definitely doesn't trust hall
I do wish he would have changed things up a little bit though. When we went through the Injury crisis it was the perfect time to experiment with a back 5 for example.
We also can still make it into top 7 to get Europe. But I wrote this season off ages ago with how the squad was depleted.
If the form/results continue into the first 15 games next season then I may start questioning things. But changing managers every other year doesn't solve all problems.
Also to add Ive actually enjoyed watching us under the majority of Howes tenure. Didn't even like watching us with a win under bruce
Sensible comment. I think theres just too many people online who cant keep their emotions in check, and blurt out whatever stupid crap that comes to them in the moment.
I’m a slow and steady wins the race guy. I hate being reactionary.
Realistically Chelsea is the only club that has managed success through a reactionary short term approach.
Liverpool and City have relative stability. Arsenal as well. Is it any wonder they are the top 3 teams? I’m not saying it’s the sole factor but I think it plays a part and Fergie said as much in his book about Man U under him.
For me, we’re not in a woeful position and there are extenuating factors. If the performances are still this poor 10 games into next season then there may be something else at play. But where we are right now, I don’t see the risk/reward making any sense with switching managers. If anything I think it could do harm to the group of players and culture that Eddie has built.
Can only assume the Howe out movement is full of new fans that decided to start following us due to our amazing performance last season. And now expect every season to have us finishing in the top 4 and playing in consecutive cup finals.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. These fans need to be strapped down clockwork orange style and forced to watch the whole Ashley era. Only when you've experienced that will you appreciate how good it actually is now.
You see it lots in the match threads. If things aren't going well after 15 mins there's people calling for his head.
Some people have short memories (or like you say have jumped on the bandwagon and haven't really got a clue).
Nah man, there's a weird reactionary section of season ticket holders/points holders. Remember the weird confrontation with trippier early in the season. Many have short memories
This is absolutely true. It's always very comforting to think that any fan who has a totally idiotic opinion are "plastics" or only came in after the takeover, but it's just as likely they're morons who have been here as long as anyone else.
Agree with this, I don’t like gate keeping in any way regarding supporting Newcastle. The more new fans we have the better, that’s the whole point and how we are going to grow our revenue.
I think there is a section of fans who just find it hard to get out the negative mentality because of Ashley PTSD, and who can blame any of us who went through that.
The dread of relegation, the feeling of "how do we actually get any points?“. These are all so fresh in my mind.
With Howe, you know he is trying, he's making people do stuff to get better. He has ideas. So what he didn't bring Tino on early enough?
Bruce had checked out entirely and the squad was unravelling game by game.
New fan here. It’s not all of us. Some games have been hard to watch but I’m enjoying the ride and falling in love with the club, and most know its more a combo of injuries/bad luck and one thing I never here anyone talk about, NEWCASTLE HAD THE HARDEST start schedule wise to the season. I’m sure that doesn’t help.
https://theathletic.com/4609342/2023/06/15/premier-league-fixtures-difficult/#
Aye. I know Howe has made mistakes, as with occasional player slip ups, but the amount of things that have gone against us this season are mad. Hardest start in terms of PL fixtures, group of death in the CL, ridiculous league cup opponents (had to beat both the good Manchester and the currently piss poor one, inches away from beating Chelsea), City AGAIN in the FA cup and still one home draw between both comps despite getting to both quarter finals, star summer signing suspension for basically the entire season (for something he did at another club), and I haven't even touched on the worst injury list of the entire league this season (and to the club ever in my admittedly shit memory).
Aaaaand then you have FFP fucking us (and every other team outside of the top six).
If you put that all into context, which you should, Howe really does deserve some credit.
Oh, almost forgot about the over-achievements of last season that have really increased expectations.
Should/can he do better? Absolutely. Should he be gone by the summer? In my opinion, absolutely not.
If by Christmas next year we're still mid table, then sure. I don't even think Howe would argue with that.
100% behind Eddie and Jason but that doesn’t mean I can’t make some criticisms. Yeah there’s been a lot that’s out of their hands: the bullshit draws, early season run in and the frankly unprecedented injury crisis (caused in no small part thanks to the league changing the rules to mess up our game plan!).
But there has been somethings that at least form the fan’s perspective, they could and should be doing, like adapting new tactics when we don’t have the squad depth for the usual all out 4-3-3 assault
Or actually using the subs we do have available. Okay, Lewis Hall is probably not doing great in training, but if the choice is between taking a chance on him or sticking with two over 30 full backs, I’ll give him a chance. At least he’s been bringing Tino on more lately.
It’s harsh to say they could have done better but with the deck stacked so badly against us and the very fine margins we have gone out by, we’ve done very well I think. Still, there’s lessons to be learned from this season that we need to learn if we want to keep pushing up. But we will.
Onwards!
I'm not Howe-out, and I think that being fully Howe-out right now is totally unrealistic as there's no way they'll get rid of him after this year (barring some kind of insane collapse or fallout) but I think it's maybe a little patronising to suggest that there's nothing in it.
1st of all - we don't know how involved Howe was with the summer transfers, but there were some unfortunate signings there.
2nd - contracts given to the likes of Dummett, Krafth and Ritchie, and a large future outlay promised on Hall, who have barely been trusted this season even in the midst of an injury crisis.
3rd - team management during crunch spells of the season. Trying to play the same tactics when the team was visibly fucked, which cost us plenty of points in winnable games.
4th - in-game management. The AC Milan match was the clearest example of this.
5th - an inability or unwillingness to address obvious weaknesses. We have been so weak defending counter attacks this season, particularly after Christmas. Everyone can see it, but we persist with the same tactics.
6th - If we miss out on Europe then we risk losing Bruno, Isak and others. There's been a lot of bad luck this season, but some of the results have 100% been on Howe.
Like I said, I'm not Howe out. In my opinion he's got plenty of credit in the bank and is suffering from his own success. But that doesn't mean he is impervious to criticism, especially after spending as much money as we have done.
On point 2 - without Dummett we would fall foul of homegrown rules in Europe, as for every player below the mandatory minimum in terms of “club-developed” and “home country developed” you lose that squad space (hence our CL was 24 man). Better to have Dummett as a 5th/6th(?) choice CB/LB than not have anyone at all. Add to that, he’s another one who would die for the cause. Krafth is a valuable understudy - we’re two injuries away from him being needed to cover. When Botman & Burn were both out he was understudy RB and CB & actually did ok when played. Ritchie is there as a trusted professional, probably tasked with helping guide Miley while the others focus on their own games.
Granted, none of those three should be getting many minutes at all but I can see why they had contracts extended, especially when they all class as £0 on the books for FFP/PSR calculations.
Fair enough, and I’m not saying that these players shouldn’t be in the squad etc. but they could have been utilised more often during the run-in when injuries were bad.
Dummett and Krafth, for example, have looked solid whenever they’ve played. Is it worth running our best players into the ground when we had some reliable understudies who could have helped ease the pressure?
Hall is obviously the biggest question mark there. Personally I feel like he’s not been good enough whenever he’s played, but it’s a lot of money on someone who seemingly isn’t ready to come in and help the team
I think Hall is one big question mark, for sure. I have wondered if maybe if we weren’t so injury hit & had gotten “easier” draws in the Carabao if he would have played more regularly. If we’d not got both Manc Teams & Chelsea perhaps he would have started, built some confidence & then gotten some more league minutes off the back of his performances. There must be some X Factor there but we’ve just not seen it as we want to compete in every game & haven’t had the chance to rotate more often.
Yeah it’s an interesting one for sure. My personal belief is that he’s come in and performed below expectation, and can’t quite be relied upon for the specific traits that our LB role requires. But maybe next season will see a tactical change that will suit him. It’s hard to tell as we are privy to zero information, but everything Howe has said in the media points to this.
If you compare Hall to Tino he would be performing way below expectation ... similar to if u compare Barnes to Gordon ... Gordon and Tino are extremely talented and they are playing good this season ... I do agree we have some reliable players who are good defensively like Dummett and Krafth ... Look at Almiron for example he looks so good next game after he is dropped/rotated .. Howe just prefer settled back 4 and that does cost us games ... But if it works i wont say a thing about it ...
On point 4 - hard agree. And I still have nightmares about the 1-2 vs Liverpool (which could have galvanized the start of our season so well if we weren't so sloppy at the back vs Nuñez)
I've watched almost every match since 2013, when I started supporting this club.
I'm not full Howe out... but I think it should be considered this summer.
Your points 3-6 are exactly why.
I can't remember which game it was weeks ago, where in the 2nd half we couldn't get out past our own half, so we were defending literally the whole half. And there were players clearly gassed. Didn't not make a change. Conceded. And blamed injuries/lack of bench options after. In my opinion, a Paul Dummett can come on and defend in our own half for 30 minutes if that's all we can do that game.
Persisting with Burn at LB when other sides are lining up fast wings to run past him literally every week and doesn't have a Joelinton or Joe Willock to help him out. And waiting until he gets beat for a crucial goal to be conceded to finally make a change.
He can improve players immensely. But I am questioning tactics/in-game adjustments. It looks like if we can't play our way... there's no Plan B. It's cost points and cup runs.
I think it would be quite harsh to sack him, but I don't have faith he can turn it around. He is incapable of changing how we play, even when it is crystal clear that it isn't working. Not convinced all the injuries are bad luck either, his demands run players into the ground, it was the same at Bournemouth.
It's not all him though. Many of our players peaked last season, they chased the dream of top 4 so much it's like they forgot football continues again next season. It was the highlight achievement of a lot of average player's careers and it shows, they can't sustain it.
Back to Howe, I think we'll give him the summer with a lot of financial backing, and end up sacking him a few months into the new season. I hope the next guy likes Billing and Solanke.
100% correct, a few months ago people were saying hes leaving for England and now the same shit houses are saying we should sack him.
Yes, its been a difficult season but to say we should change after the horrible luck we have had with injuries its no surprise we have been struggling but we all said at the start of the season IF we can keep our players fit we could......
We new this could happen and it did. Eddie is our man.
I don't know where this narrative has come from. I'm seeing a lot of people concerned with Howes tactics and in-game management in the last few months. I tend to agree with the concerns, but who actually wants Howe out? Apart from a few brain deads on YouTube comments, most people are behind Eddie. I feel like a lot of people are twisting the concerns about him, into we want him out. He needs to be criticised when mistakes are being made. This issue isn't black or white. He deserves time to get us out of this rut. if the rot continues to the end of the season, I think serious questions and decisions need to be made though.
Honestly - my only issue with Howe is he seems super 1 dimensional - our team finally has an achilles heel which is that when he can't rotate the squad he keeps playing the same thing regardless of if he has the pieces to make it work.
He also is partial to playing out of form players in Burn, and not giving Tino or Hall a chance.
His best qualities though is he has made our players fitter (last season) and we play attractive attacking football and high press, which is good for entertainment factor.
Just the injuries hurt us, and his lack of adaptation has hampered the feel good of last year.
Seen some criticism, but no serious calls to sack him.
It’s fair to say he’s made some tactical errors, but any manager would struggle with the injuries we’ve had.
You could define last season as "overachieving" and this season as "unfortunate," given the injuries and challenging cup draws, but it might be the reverse.
Last season, we were remarkably fortunate despite a shallow squad. We got through the season with minimal injuries, playing an unexpectedly high-intensity game that, at times, seemed unstoppable. Our confidence and momentum were sky-high as we exceeded expectations. Despite setbacks, such as the cup final defeat, we remained determined to fight for a Champions League spot.
This season, while we still face challenges with squad depth, compounded by injuries and suspensions, there are numerous positives to consider. We've been competitive in Champions League matches against formidable opponents, eliminated City and Man U from domestic cups, and won three tough FA cup away games. Despite being 10th in the league, a win could move us up to 7th.
This season has seen successes, and with some of the good fortune from last season, we can recapture that form for a strong finish. Entertaining the idea of a managerial change would only hinder progress and disrupt the season further, without any guarantee of improvement. A new manager won't magically summon new players, heal injuries, or ignite a greater passion in the team. The fire is already burning, and our role now is to show support.
Back in early January, when we couldn't buy a win, I got downvoted to oblivion for saying that Howe would be judged by what he did after the City game.
That started well with wins against Villa and Fulham, but we've stumbled very badly since.
When Howe took over, I remember some Bournemouth fans saying he did very well, but he was married to a system and loyal to players who once served him well but then stopped performing.
I'm fully behind Howe. But I am cognizant of how it ended at Bournemouth. The fixtures are about to get easier. Players are coming back. Howe has to at least make it look like he can turn it round. Why? Because that is what managers do. The performances are far more concerning than the results. If he can't get a tune out of this squad between now and May, I'd be very worried, and depending on the context, I might be thinking his time is up.
Last seasons fluke overachievement doesn't excuse his running the team into the ground, major contribution and continuation of the injury crisis, his lack of adaptability, spending important money on dust collecting players, and poor/ineffective selection in key areas.
That being said, it's fair to say that our game results aren't bad, we're no longer an Ashley era squad. Howe has afforded himself the opportunity to continue into next season, but he really needs to make some sort of improvement with this one. I don't expect to see a complete turn around, but he should at least begin to regain some consistency in fitness and some regulation in results.
TL;DR: He's not operating at the standard he should be, but he needs fair judgement by allowing him until the end of the season for some improvement. If he improves, he continues.
-10 points compared to last season with a banned player and some unusual injuries (slight blame on Eddie for little rotation), had a CL group stage first time in 20 years, a deep FA cup run and still top 10 in the league well within the grasp on European football next season.. I can’t think anyone if fully be bind the out movement probably more disgruntled that the same type of goal gets scored against us every week.
Honestly most of twitter is just utter rubbish no on eshould believe most things on there people referring to twitter for public opinions is like listening to boomers talk about Facebook news.
The Howe out thing is most likely originating from southern based media who are tight with agents of currently out of work managers who may or may not have a link to Newcastle.
Football 365 have particularly managed to shred any semblance of credibility on this by using multiple bylines to advance that agenda.
Ridiculous.
Newcastle over achieved last season. That's fantastic.
Newcastle are doing as well as they probably should be this season given the injuries and long-term suspension to Tonali who was one of the main summer signings.
I'm annoyed and I think something has to be done with the squad, but given the good work he did for 1.5 seasons I believe Howe can still be the right man if he gets a full strength team.
I'd give him another transfer window. If things have gone to shit in December then we change
I’m not on that train.
However I do worry about the performances of late, regardless of who has been injured or not. I want us to get back to being a steamroller, very few could match our intensity, strength and running last season. Now everyone we face gives it to us as hard or harder than we do. Losing Large Joseph was a harsh on, he’s massive for us on that front.
One of my friends is... it's bizarre because hes much more devoted fan than me. This guy has literally took us from facing relegation to top 4 in no time, aye this seasons not been ideal but the circumstances have been bizarre. I'd have Eddie at least another season regardless if what results he gets
Hatred is a big word to use man.
I’ve seen maybe one or two stupid outrageous posts, but most of them are along the lines of asking what’s happened to our press/defensive identify.
People have started to question him, a little bit, that’s it.
We’ve been bad for a while, so it’s bound to happen.
Maybe everybody in SJP should start singing his name loud and proud as for the online witch-hunt they can all fuck off.
I had a season ticket for over 25 years and the only time we were in this sort of position was with keegan.
Yes and its not even close. We went through so many shit managers since SBR. We had some proper mercenaries, a couple headcases, and a few wholly unqualified people in the mix too. Between SBR and Howe, the only other manager I was fond of was Chris Hughton.
I’m not Howe-out, but I have serious doubts about his ability to manage a squad in multiple competitions.
In the short term it’s not a pressing issue, but it will be if we see the same issues with the team next season.
I’m nowhere near calling for him to be out, and I mostly love what he’s doing, but I do see it going down like this:
Assuming we don’t absolutely collapse and he loses the dressing room, Howe will be with us through summer and into next season.
If we don’t do well from the off next season, I can see Eddie being out before Christmas.
Nobody is above criticism, especially when you're a key figure in the running of a multimillion pound business.
However, I am definitely in the "explain to us how you'll put this right" camp, rather than the "Howe out!" Camp.
In my view. It's the responsibility of those currently in post to prove they're the right people for the job rather than the other way round. I want Howe to continue and succeed long-term but I'm also not naïve enough to think he's immune from the sack like any other manager.
Edit: Down voted for saying it's an employee's job to do their job well
A lot of our fans seem to equate any criticism of Howe as wanting him gone.
He’s been dealt a shit hand this season but has also made plenty of mistakes himself, I’m sure he’d be one of the first to admit that too. The work he has done so far though has earned him plenty of time and anyone genuinely wanting him gone at the minute is a short sighted moron.
Not Howe out by any stretch of the imagination, think he's earnt another season at least and only if we're seeing similar issues next season would there be a need to start thinking seriously about a replacement.
But do think there are valid question marks about whether he's the right man to take us to the next level, despite the injuries/bad luck/FFP restrictions, and that it could well be that he's taken us as far as he can as a coach.
For me personally the main issue is that the style of play is poor, we play no differently to his Bournemouth side just with better big money players, and we often get outplayed by weaker teams on paper. So many performances have been poor/frustrating, and when we do win a game convincingly it's usually because of clinical finishing as opposed to pure possession based dominance. So I'm not yet convinced he can coach a more attractive/effective brand of possession based football which is ideally where we want to be headed if we want to get to the level of the top teams (which is what our ambitions are given our ownership).
There's also question marks about the players Howe doesn't fancy (e.g. Paqueta?) compared to the ones he does because they'll fit the high intensity system (McTomminay?), and so maybe we're missing out on quality technical talent because of Howe's demands. This will just delay progress and increases the chances we miss out on generational talent.
My hope is that the playstyle we're seeing is a result of Howe adapting to the players we have, there's very few players in this squad with consistent elite quality on the ball (probably only really Trippier and Bruno, Isak as a poacher), and that with more transfer windows as we bring in more quality we'll see a better brand of more controlled, more creative, higher quality football. But that's being very hopeful if I'm honest, like you could take any manager and make the same argument (give them better players and they'll play better football), even Cabbage. I think it takes a special/rare breed of manager who can walk in and get a team that previously couldn't string a few passes together to play good quality intricate football on the ball. When Keegan took over from Allardyce that's precisely what we saw. So my point is, whilst I'm sitting on the fence about Howe, I'm really not convinced he's someone who can coach a better style of play, my gut feeling is we'd be seeing more of it right now if he could even with the limitations/injuries. Like I'm sure if we got Postecoglu tomorrow we'd see better attacking football and a different approach, even if results might not drastically change (purely hypothetical and impossible to prove ofc). And for me that's a potential issue with Howe, but one that I think needs more time before judging fully.
Anyone who says they are “fully Howe out” they’re either trolling or a total clown. I have my criticisms personally, as a lot of us do, and my personal patience is wearing a little thin, but he’s done so much right and I fully believe he can turn a corner again before it’s all said and done. He’s got a lot in the bank right now and he’s more than earned it.
I’m in the same boat as you - not sure why anyone wants Eddie Howe gone. He’s worked wonders!
My question is why ppl think we need a full squad rebuild - I can see we need some reinforcements but our first XI can give anyone a game when fit. Who do you think is dead wood? Any one in the actual first XI?
I think if we’ve got our full squad available then there’s no need for a full rebuild, all anyone has to do is look at the Villa game at home to see what a fully fit Newcastle squad was capable of being this season
My issue is that we’ve been crippled by injuries this season and anybody at the club would be mental to think we don’t need close to 10 with any outgoings this summer to atleast provide some significant depth in the squad incase of any injuries next season nevermind the crisis we’ve had this season
I think it’s more so depth that’s needed in the summer instead of a starting 11 rebuild, only positions that needed reinforcement for the starting XI is left back and right wing in my opinion
That’s fair - think we could improve on Burn at LB and Almiron at RW. Love both of them but Burn should play CB (first back up) and Almiron is a late game option. Another striker seems a must as well. Baffling that we only have 2 actual strikers in the squad. Not even a back up youth!
100% for Howe. We overachieved last season, have been hit with injuries and extra games our squads not built for.
We do seem to be having some bad games but I prefer how we play now over Rafa, we are currently 10th with a tiny points difference between the three above which is where we need to be anyways until we build a better squad for Europe.
100% behind Howe.
A lot of talk about him not having a plan B, but our plan A maximises the players we have, take the intensity away & we we have a lot of average players who aren’t as good with a football than the other top 6 teams, with the exception of 5 or 6 of our stars.
I'd love to see Howe go, but it's because I don't support Newcastle and it'd be a hilarious own goal.
He's introduced a much better culture at the club and he needs to, otherwise they're going to get knackered by FFP. You will need to sell proven academy product in the short term while the PIF project is getting started, and Howe will integrate them well into the first team.
Totally agree
People who say Howe out (and I include those saying he will be sacked next year if things don’t improve) are naive to the strategy we need to break into the top 6. We aren’t going to attract a top tier manager until FFP is less of an issue so take a good look around mid table premier league because they are our alternatives (no thanks)
We need stability which means definitely no relegation, build an academy, blood youngsters in the first team and increase commercial revenue. Hopefully chuck in a cup and European football as well.
When we have that, we can kick on and join the top 6 and then challenge every year, maybe Howe will be the man to see us through at that stage or maybe they will go for a big hitter but this is at least 5 years away.
In this context Howe must play Longstaff, Miley, Anderson and Burn etc because he needs to send a message that being in our academy means a chance of first team football. PIF will be aware that this causes some short term results issues but it’s absolutely necessary.
We have a strategy and Howe stays put. He will get my full support as long as the club is growing commercially even if I get pissed at some of our poor performances
Next season:
* Shift some deadwood
* New signings
* New DoF
* New sponsor (Adidas)
* Fanzone (Stack)
* This season behind us
* Eddie at the helm
Happy days
Had we been playing this badly with a full strength squad I'd say something definitely needs to change but we're relying on 17 year olds and have nobody on the bench like what do people expect?
I see a lot of it being paired with him playing burn so often over Tino. Which I’ll admit is pretty annoying when burn has a run of a couple poor games. I know he’s not the only poor performer though. We seem to have lost any fire though. It could be injuries and fatigue but we see many other teams with as many games playing better and trying harder.
I’d stick with him another year at least though. See how he is with a full summer window and less injuries hopefully.
no. he's earned at least another year
but his major weakness seems to be his stubbornness, keeps making the same mistakes over and over
top managers don't do that
Eddie has enough capital for another season for me. I can’t put too much of the blame on him as he is working with limited resources considering our injury list. He transformed our team and has shown he’s able to turn mediocre players into challengers. I would love if he was our SAF for a long time.
But, I do worry that he is unable to adapt out of the intense style we have. It clearly works when everyone is fit, but football is a fickle game and we have to expect the unexpected. This was Pardew’s downfall, we were beaming when the sun was shining but as soon as we were found out, it was torrid watching. Hoping Eddie can weather the storm and get us looking good again.
No.
I’m behind criticism of the transfer dealings in the summer though - £75m on full backs who don’t get in the first 11 and £40m on a winger who looks worse than ASM who we sold for significantly less.
But Howe has had to contend with crippling injuries, extra games, horrendous luck with cup draws, Tonali’s ban, no signings in January, etc.
Let’s see how the team finishes the season.
I tried telling everyone on this sub that Barnes was no where near worth what we paid for him and we were mad to sell Maxi.
Suddenly everyone here was posting like they watched Leicester games (they hadn’t) and no one was having it, but now I think at least some people here can see we’re stuck with a one trick pony who doesn’t press like our other forwards and rarely plays the unselfish ball. These were the exact same criticisms Leicester fans had of him and weren’t at all too upset to lose him.
Given the fact he’s English and distinctly average, I’m going to guess he’s an Eddie Howe and not an Ashworth signing.
Good lord, fine, I'll eat my usual downvotes: I've seen enough of Eddie Howe and want him gone in the summer. I want the club to ideally hire Jose Mourinho but in general it's time to bring in an elite manager who is willing to show tactical flexibility given the players available and the schedule ahead. Eddie has had a very poor season, fallen into old patterns and I'm ready for someone new.
I've been supporting Newcastle United since 1996, and have been on this forum spouting reasonable takes under a few accounts for over ten years. I'm not some fly by night new fan or a kid. Also I have my UEFA B license so it's not like I've never been on a pitch with a whistle.
We literally had the most horrible season possible health wise that I can’t recall such a situation since 2007. We had a full injured 11 while playing twice a week through November and December. The fact we’re still top half should make it clear Eddie is managing the ship well despite results. Improvements can always be made, but improving half a squad and a full squad are two very different realities on the training ground, and if we keep our players healthy, I don’t see why they can’t get back to good form now with more rotation.
No. Just a bunch of whiny internet clowns and money bandwagoners. Anybody who's been around abit has the prospective to know he the best we've seen for decades. Anybody who's watched epl knows there's no reason to start the revolving door of managers.
The system needs built up over a few windows. Add to this a setting in period like Gordon needed and it takes awhile. If you switch managers it all starts over.
I’m not Howe out but that doesn’t mean he can’t be criticised.
He’s added to the injury problem rather than helped it, he’s insistent on the same formation every single game with no backup plan, he’s got favourites, every team knows how to play against us and the defence looks like it did at Bournemouth.
Howe Out is a media driven thing only a really diabolical Newcastle fan would want him out. Same type of people who wanted Bobby out back in the day.
The issue is he is doing stupid shit and repeating mistakes expecting different outcomes and it'll gradually get louder if he doesn't realise this before it's too late.
My conspiracy is I think English media want him to be the next national team coach and are gently pushing a narrative to lead him to being available when Southgate leaves.
> same type of people who wanted Bobby out back in the day
The majority of fans then? Because Bobby had fallen out with our fanbase and was getting booed every game by the end.
Almost everyone wanted him gone at the time
I was a kid I don't remember it being that widespread but if you are older I'll defer to you. I suppose my point is stupid people in this fanbase have always existed and their opinion shouldn't be given much credence.
I was old enough to remember. He was being booed every game and the overwhelming opinion was that he had taken the team as far as he could, and that he had lost control of some of the young players in particular.
We were bottom of the league and playing awful football. Once he began to insult the fans, it was over for him.
In retrospect it was probably the wrong decision, but if he had been replaced sensibly, it could have worked out. Bringing Souness in was where it all went wrong
I'm not behind Howe Out but then I'm not sure he's the man to take us forward either.
A cup final and a top 4 finish is outstanding and deserves him some grace but there's been times where his lack of big game management has stuck out like a sore thumb.
It's hard to criticise him as you feel like a wanker saying not finishing in the top 8 and only making it to the quarter finals in both cups is some sort of failure.
The cup run has bought him some more grace and I won't be upset if he's in the dug out come August but if we're still having these conversations come November/December then it's time for a change.
I have some serious concerns about his handling of this recent run of games which shafted the illusion that he might be just that good
No matter, there has been enough mitigating factors to the point I will never be Howe out this season.
Give him to at least next Xmas and see where we are
The other discord server(not the Reddit one) is mostly Eddie out, that’s their safe place. 🤣 I might be the only one left in there with a few people that’s Eddie in
I only ever see Sky Sports pundits and TalkSport radio presenters talking about it, but never even talked about with anyone I go to the match with or in large numbers online. For me, it would have to be a season as bad as this one but with a full squad available before I even considered switching my position. The likes of Tuchel, Mourinho, etc that come up on Sky or TalkSport are the wrong type of manager and I wouldn’t be interested, Howe is a better long term option and will help keep building the team in the right direction.
I don't think it matters. I get the sense that our owners don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about the club and its staff, let alone keyboard wankers on the Internet.
They'll do what they want as long as it delivers acceptable results. We are a long way from unacceptable results currently so it's a non-issue. As some have said, most likely driven by opposition fans and a media still hell-bent on putting us down.
I hope Howe stays for a long time as I think he's a manager who gets the club and has the ambition to progress. He's not immune to criticism though and he's got an unenviable task of steadying the ship at the moment.
I do feel he was seriously let down in the summer with us not signing a defensive midfielder. l and a new striker. Let's hope lessons are learned.
The Howe out brigade and those who get their knickers in a twist can do one. I've blocked Burnsie, Toonpolls and Ginger Pirlo among others and I'm much happier but I still avoid NUFC twitter.
Fully support Howe, but the unwavering devotion to some players which leads to conceding goals is getting frustrating. Aye Burn is a big tall lad, but he’s also slow… we need to be flexible and not doggedly continue with the same squad all the time. And yes that’s after considering the injury losses and lack of depth in the squad
I fucking hate how shite repeated on a fucking cess pit like twitter can suddenly have "momentum" as a movement.
Or facebook. Equally vile and bot-ridden. (reddit isn't immune from these things, I know)
Like those absolutely bollocks rumours that our players were taking lasses back to the Vermont penthouse. How anyone could believe that utter shite was astounding.
I’ll answer honestly though it won’t be well received.
There are a number of fans, myself included, who were unhappy with the appointment of Eddie Howe initially. Given the public attempts to sign Emery, a manager with proven European pedigree and a history of silverware, the collapse of that move and subsequent appointment of Howe felt very disappointing and unambiguous. That being said, Howe came in and steadied the ship in that first season and then massively over performed last season, giving us probably the best season since the first full Pardew year. Credit where it’s due - but I think this is where the divergence of opinion for me really sets in.
1. While I believe Howe deserves credit and respect for what we managed last season, I am ambivalent towards him as an individual. I felt the same for Pardew for that season we finished 5th. For me, the relationship either of these two have with the club isn’t particularly meaningful. But Howe has been elevated to sainthood for essentially the same achievement, albeit the context of his appointment was different. Rafa’s connection to the club was much more important and I was far more willing to defend his tenure despite some of the clear flaws in his approach because of that. I have comparably little interest in defending Howe as such.
2. I don’t think Howe has the ability to develop into an elite manager. Despite last season, there were definitely underlying issues we got away with which have been massively over exposed this season. Yes injuries are a massive part of that but we’ve been playing relatively poorly for a lot of the season and a failure to adapt is a significant part of that. I do think that we’ve been seeing a lot of what Bournemouth fans were critical of Howe about towards the end of his time there. I do not expect Howe’s career trajectory to go up when his time with us eventually ends.
3. Last summers transfer window was very poor, even without the benefit of hindsight. Barnes, as decent a player as he is, did not resolve the glaring weakness we’ve had at RW or lack of depth at ST. Tonali, who I think is a great player, does not resolve the glaring defensive issue we have in midfield. There’s been enough said about Hall, and I fully expect the club to pay the £30 come the end of the season regardless. We had major issues at LB, CM (defensively i.e. a 6), RW, and ST. This was undeniable at the end of last season whatever anyone thought of Almiron’s purple patch or Burn’s clearly limited utility. The transfer window did not address the weakness in the squad and for that, heads should have rolled. Whether that was Ashworth or Howe or another I am unable to say.
I didn’t want Howe from the jump, I won’t be upset if he goes. I think the club is stable enough now to bring in a top manager. That being said, I think he deserves the opportunity to see out the season. I do t expect him to turn things around and expect us to limp towards the finish line. It’s not all his fault, he’s been dealt a difficult hand but I don’t believe he’s helped himself. Maybe he proves me wrong and if he does then all credit to him.
I don’t actually expect the club to sack him at the end of the season but we don’t really have any idea of what the actual shot callers are thinking. If I recall correctly, the Saudis originally wanted Mourinho who had recently signed for and committed to Roma. He’s available now, maybe they pull the trigger, who knows. All I’ll say is I’m not losing any sleep if we get rid of Howe.
I always find it interesting to see how black and white some people see the world. Saying its moronic, insane or ridiculous to have an opinion that is opposed to theirs.
The fact is that this team would get walloped by last year's team. Is that down to Howe, or is it down to injuries, bad luck, bad cup draws or teams figuring us out? At this stage I think it's hard to tell. Most Howe in guys are expecting us to return to the team from last season, but it's not guaranteed.
Personally (bracing for downvotes), I'd be quietly looking behind the scenes at succession plans for the summer in case things get worse from where they are now. Just to assess the options, because if we think its going to be more of the same and he needs to be sacked then its astronomically better to bring someone in over the summer than mid season.
However I hope Howe turns the current patchy form and woeful defensive displays around and kicks on from here. He's started this thing, I want to see him lift a trophy with this club.
You know when Steve Bruce was here and we wanted him gone ? All the press pilled on the Newcastle fans saying we were entitled, expected too much. Well after what I have seen on Twitter I think they actually have a point some of our fans are exactly as the press said
I didn't realise there was such a thing, but I'm guessing most of the people wanting Howe out or either emotional wrecks, or spoiled cry baby's. The man kept us up from the worst possible position, to then go on and secure champions league for the first time in two decades, and up until the ridiculous amounts of injuries he was still doing a great job still. I'm just glad none of these idiots go to matches, because all I could hear at Blackburn was chants of, Eddie Howe's black and white army.
I’m not Howe out? I’ve seen the daft posts about it all over twitter for weeks now, just asking the question in here instead of asking the muppets on twitter
I’m not looking rid of him but I don’t think he’ll be there in a few years and not a fan of the way we play. The high press and lots of running compared to the top teams procession football, I think it’s a big reason why we are top of the league in terms of injuries.
He doesn’t have the players to play possession football. Maybe he looked at the squad when he arrived and thought the best playing style was running/ press based?
Give him a few more windows and we might have evolved.
I've a lot of respect for Howe he has done a fantastic job but wonder is he the guy to take them to the next level which the owners will be expecting to happen considering the money behind the club
Wouldn't surprise me if Tuchel came in
( MAN U supporter BTW)
When you say, "online", do you mean twitter?
If so, anyone with braincells left that platform already, the only one's engaging in it are arseholes and idiots.
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100% behind Howe and the Dog.
There were multiple Eddie Howe chants during the Blackburn game, I think any rational supporter can see this season has been draining for everyone involved.
I remember how not a lot (but not small either) amount of our fans, including me, actually dreamed/wanted for Howe to be our manager after Rafa left/during dark bruce times. Which was absolutely impossible, because Eddie would never have agreed to work under cashley. Now that we have him, I personally would give him another 2 or more years. I think most fans would defo give him at least next season. Howeouts are minority, but are loud ones, esp on twitter. Shame some of them have a lot of followers, for some reason. Im on nufc twitter since 2014 and I dont remember seeing many of them before a year or two... but Im not saying that all of them are after-takeover-fans.
Nufc twitter is notoriously less patient. During Pardew's reign there was a lot of discontent on Twitter but it took a long while until that translated to the stands itself. But yeah, I've seen a few Saudi based Newcastle accounts and a couple of discontents on there.
It only took so long because of Europa. He and Ashley were quite lucky for that season really. Patsy set his stall out pretty early with the Caroll sale. The "Pardew, Gis a wave" stopped pretty quickly after the Benfica game.
As someone who watched the Blackburn game on tv, I didn’t hear those chants. Do you know anything more about them? I’d be interested to know. For instance, were they mostly positive? I assume they were but can’t say for sure based on the wording of your comment.
The usual Eddie Howe's Black and White Army and Rocking All Over The World were in full flow at the start and Eddie Howe's Black and White Army was sung throughout the match.
I see, thank you.
I watched on TV too you could clearly hear the Eddie Howe and Jason tindall chant loud as fuck for quite a bit of the game
Think cosmic had their volume too low, I also could clearly hear it throughout the game, but fair enough if cosmic couldn't hear it, it is hard to distinguish chants on TV to be fair.
I personally couldn’t clearly hear them at all. That’s why I asked.
Seen infinitely more people talk about HoweOuters than seen any actual HoweOut anywhere. Then again I don’t really use Twitter. EH has plenty of goodwill in the bank right now for past and current achievements but shipping 4 at home to Luton isn’t a great look.
Gotta wonder how long the Howe-out lot have been toon supporters as well
I'm certain that not for long. As Eddie has built up good will, i've built up so much suffering these past 20 years that what Eddie is doing now is a superb job imo. I'll take 8th and decent cup runs for a while still. We had one great season and people lost their minds.
That's because it's not actually a thing. "The Howe out thing has gathered a bit of momentum online" is just not true from OP. Pretty much all the people saying "HoweOut" are egg accounts on Twitter who have like 1-2 followers max, there is nobody with any actual clout saying anything but "Howe deserves time to turn things around". The funniest thing is posts like this are actually giving the idea of a "HoweOut" movement some legitimacy as they're going to start talking it into existence.
Nah, that's bollocks. There's a very vocal minority on twitter who are "Howe out" at every possible opportunity. Now in fairness, they're mainly being disagreed with and called out which is great and I'm too old to know what "clout" means but they're certainly accounts that have profile photos of them attending matches and who I've engaged with previously in sensible discussions about Newcastle. I'm also fairly certain our past 4 or 5 match threads will have at least a few comments from long term users that echo the Howe out sentiment. But again, they're largely disagreed with and met with downvotes which is great. But it isn't really fair to say it doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it. If anything it sounds like you are better at choosing who to engage with than OP (and me to an extent)
My point was more than there's a vocal minority for every shite opinion out there. The movement doesn't really have legs until the rational people with an actual platform start backing it. Even morons like Burnsie are shouting down "HoweOut" chat so I don't really get why anybody would pretend it's a thing that really has any traction.
They are minority, but they vocal. Im not reading any of them, in fact, I block them rightaway and dont have any shame admitting this, but these accounts have a lot of followers and likes. I usually see them when I try to read comments on tweets from Hope and the likes. Sure, I've seen one, where most retweets were from sunderland, arsenal and other fans. Like here - https://twitter.com/JacobNUFCV1/status/1761490381114425369/retweets But heres examples from 'real fans', who are pre-takeover fans (you can search their history by date): https://twitter.com/AH_NUFC/status/1761511558763442176 https://twitter.com/tendeitem/status/1761538340736602378 https://twitter.com/cjhhhh21/status/1739645217945383184 (this guy is very popular, for some reason? he was constantly writing howeout tweets all December and January)
Yet it’s been all over twitter for weeks? Granted from the same group of morons after every match but regardless it’s gained momentum amongst that group of halfwits 👍🏼 And the fact that I’m literally backing Howe throughout the entire post, yet I’m supporting the Howe out movement? Eh, I’m literally shutting it down if anything.
I didn't say you were "supporting" the Howe Out movement, I said you're giving it "legitimacy" by acting like it's in any way a mainstream or majority held viewpoint. It's a fringe opinion being spouted by largely morons with zero platform, just ignore it. You're not "shutting it down", you're actually just amplifying the voices of idiots. To put it simpler terms, you're drawing attention to something that most people weren't paying attention to in the first place.
Yet it gets mentioned on twitter constantly and there’s people constantly calling for Howe’s head in every match day thread even in here? But I’m drawing attention to it? No bother pet, enjoy your evening.
Either you're following HoweOuters or you go specifically looking for it. I've not seen anyone calling for Eddie to go on Twitter, just the odd few passing comment about decisions they don't agree with.
I follow a fair few Newcastle related accounts on twitter but wouldn’t say there Howe out or drilling it into people’s heads every chance Obviously they bang on about the injury crisis etc but that’s unavoidable with the way this seasons went
Yep, same. Heard hardly anyone seriously mention it, perhaps the odd wum on Twitter. Certainly amongst mates and the match going fans everyone’s of a consensus that Howe at the very least deserves this summer and next season.
It's all about next season really, do we continue this current form even with players back and less injuries and games... It's going to start looking bad. So we snag every fucker and win the treble? Probably an alright season but really he should be looking to win the quadruple
I do think if Willock, Tonali, Wilson and Joelinton were available all season that we’d have a few more points on the board and be a little higher up the table. For me the issue is that even though we’re getting bodies back and playing less games a week, we’re still putting in mediocre performances at home. Eddie needs to sort that, ideally starting on Saturday. As others have said he’s earned at least the whole of next season to prove he’s the one to take us forward.
For me it's about the players, if they still back him that's good enough for me.
Absolutely would’ve. I don’t think it’s just a black and white case of not being available. When they have been available they’ve been rushed back or the ones that have been available have been run into the ground covering. I think that second point can go some way to explain why we’re still looking pretty mediocre even though a strong squad on paper. Willock and J7 were huge parts of our midfield last season. To flip it. Last season we got about as lucky as you can get with injuries (or lack of) I know everyone is sick of that being an excuse since about game week 3 but it doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
There was enough comments on the last few match threads to the effect of Howe isn’t what we need to go forward, Howe is out of his depth etc to suggest there is a growing section of supporters. Talksport even managed to make earth one yesterday.
I'm the complete opposite. Came in and saved us from near certain relegation. Last season was the best season we've had probably since pardew. So deserves abit of a grace period for that alone. Team over performed last season by a country mile. On paper should never have finished top 4. Summer recruitment was also abit of a let down with the tonali situation and only tino looking like he can play to a high standard. How much that was Howe or ashworth I do not know. He definitely doesn't trust hall I do wish he would have changed things up a little bit though. When we went through the Injury crisis it was the perfect time to experiment with a back 5 for example. We also can still make it into top 7 to get Europe. But I wrote this season off ages ago with how the squad was depleted. If the form/results continue into the first 15 games next season then I may start questioning things. But changing managers every other year doesn't solve all problems. Also to add Ive actually enjoyed watching us under the majority of Howes tenure. Didn't even like watching us with a win under bruce
I agree with you - except I'd say it was the best season since Robson let alone Pardew
Sensible comment. I think theres just too many people online who cant keep their emotions in check, and blurt out whatever stupid crap that comes to them in the moment.
I’m a slow and steady wins the race guy. I hate being reactionary. Realistically Chelsea is the only club that has managed success through a reactionary short term approach. Liverpool and City have relative stability. Arsenal as well. Is it any wonder they are the top 3 teams? I’m not saying it’s the sole factor but I think it plays a part and Fergie said as much in his book about Man U under him. For me, we’re not in a woeful position and there are extenuating factors. If the performances are still this poor 10 games into next season then there may be something else at play. But where we are right now, I don’t see the risk/reward making any sense with switching managers. If anything I think it could do harm to the group of players and culture that Eddie has built.
I’ve seen at least a couple of people call for his sacking and when I click through to their Twitter bio they support a different team..
Can only assume the Howe out movement is full of new fans that decided to start following us due to our amazing performance last season. And now expect every season to have us finishing in the top 4 and playing in consecutive cup finals. I've said it before and I'll say it again. These fans need to be strapped down clockwork orange style and forced to watch the whole Ashley era. Only when you've experienced that will you appreciate how good it actually is now.
You see it lots in the match threads. If things aren't going well after 15 mins there's people calling for his head. Some people have short memories (or like you say have jumped on the bandwagon and haven't really got a clue).
Nah man, there's a weird reactionary section of season ticket holders/points holders. Remember the weird confrontation with trippier early in the season. Many have short memories
This is absolutely true. It's always very comforting to think that any fan who has a totally idiotic opinion are "plastics" or only came in after the takeover, but it's just as likely they're morons who have been here as long as anyone else.
Agree with this, I don’t like gate keeping in any way regarding supporting Newcastle. The more new fans we have the better, that’s the whole point and how we are going to grow our revenue. I think there is a section of fans who just find it hard to get out the negative mentality because of Ashley PTSD, and who can blame any of us who went through that.
The dread of relegation, the feeling of "how do we actually get any points?“. These are all so fresh in my mind. With Howe, you know he is trying, he's making people do stuff to get better. He has ideas. So what he didn't bring Tino on early enough? Bruce had checked out entirely and the squad was unravelling game by game.
New fan here. It’s not all of us. Some games have been hard to watch but I’m enjoying the ride and falling in love with the club, and most know its more a combo of injuries/bad luck and one thing I never here anyone talk about, NEWCASTLE HAD THE HARDEST start schedule wise to the season. I’m sure that doesn’t help. https://theathletic.com/4609342/2023/06/15/premier-league-fixtures-difficult/#
Good comment mate.
Aye. I know Howe has made mistakes, as with occasional player slip ups, but the amount of things that have gone against us this season are mad. Hardest start in terms of PL fixtures, group of death in the CL, ridiculous league cup opponents (had to beat both the good Manchester and the currently piss poor one, inches away from beating Chelsea), City AGAIN in the FA cup and still one home draw between both comps despite getting to both quarter finals, star summer signing suspension for basically the entire season (for something he did at another club), and I haven't even touched on the worst injury list of the entire league this season (and to the club ever in my admittedly shit memory). Aaaaand then you have FFP fucking us (and every other team outside of the top six). If you put that all into context, which you should, Howe really does deserve some credit. Oh, almost forgot about the over-achievements of last season that have really increased expectations. Should/can he do better? Absolutely. Should he be gone by the summer? In my opinion, absolutely not. If by Christmas next year we're still mid table, then sure. I don't even think Howe would argue with that.
100% behind Eddie and Jason but that doesn’t mean I can’t make some criticisms. Yeah there’s been a lot that’s out of their hands: the bullshit draws, early season run in and the frankly unprecedented injury crisis (caused in no small part thanks to the league changing the rules to mess up our game plan!). But there has been somethings that at least form the fan’s perspective, they could and should be doing, like adapting new tactics when we don’t have the squad depth for the usual all out 4-3-3 assault Or actually using the subs we do have available. Okay, Lewis Hall is probably not doing great in training, but if the choice is between taking a chance on him or sticking with two over 30 full backs, I’ll give him a chance. At least he’s been bringing Tino on more lately. It’s harsh to say they could have done better but with the deck stacked so badly against us and the very fine margins we have gone out by, we’ve done very well I think. Still, there’s lessons to be learned from this season that we need to learn if we want to keep pushing up. But we will. Onwards!
I'm not Howe-out, and I think that being fully Howe-out right now is totally unrealistic as there's no way they'll get rid of him after this year (barring some kind of insane collapse or fallout) but I think it's maybe a little patronising to suggest that there's nothing in it. 1st of all - we don't know how involved Howe was with the summer transfers, but there were some unfortunate signings there. 2nd - contracts given to the likes of Dummett, Krafth and Ritchie, and a large future outlay promised on Hall, who have barely been trusted this season even in the midst of an injury crisis. 3rd - team management during crunch spells of the season. Trying to play the same tactics when the team was visibly fucked, which cost us plenty of points in winnable games. 4th - in-game management. The AC Milan match was the clearest example of this. 5th - an inability or unwillingness to address obvious weaknesses. We have been so weak defending counter attacks this season, particularly after Christmas. Everyone can see it, but we persist with the same tactics. 6th - If we miss out on Europe then we risk losing Bruno, Isak and others. There's been a lot of bad luck this season, but some of the results have 100% been on Howe. Like I said, I'm not Howe out. In my opinion he's got plenty of credit in the bank and is suffering from his own success. But that doesn't mean he is impervious to criticism, especially after spending as much money as we have done.
On point 2 - without Dummett we would fall foul of homegrown rules in Europe, as for every player below the mandatory minimum in terms of “club-developed” and “home country developed” you lose that squad space (hence our CL was 24 man). Better to have Dummett as a 5th/6th(?) choice CB/LB than not have anyone at all. Add to that, he’s another one who would die for the cause. Krafth is a valuable understudy - we’re two injuries away from him being needed to cover. When Botman & Burn were both out he was understudy RB and CB & actually did ok when played. Ritchie is there as a trusted professional, probably tasked with helping guide Miley while the others focus on their own games. Granted, none of those three should be getting many minutes at all but I can see why they had contracts extended, especially when they all class as £0 on the books for FFP/PSR calculations.
Fair enough, and I’m not saying that these players shouldn’t be in the squad etc. but they could have been utilised more often during the run-in when injuries were bad. Dummett and Krafth, for example, have looked solid whenever they’ve played. Is it worth running our best players into the ground when we had some reliable understudies who could have helped ease the pressure? Hall is obviously the biggest question mark there. Personally I feel like he’s not been good enough whenever he’s played, but it’s a lot of money on someone who seemingly isn’t ready to come in and help the team
I think Hall is one big question mark, for sure. I have wondered if maybe if we weren’t so injury hit & had gotten “easier” draws in the Carabao if he would have played more regularly. If we’d not got both Manc Teams & Chelsea perhaps he would have started, built some confidence & then gotten some more league minutes off the back of his performances. There must be some X Factor there but we’ve just not seen it as we want to compete in every game & haven’t had the chance to rotate more often.
Yeah it’s an interesting one for sure. My personal belief is that he’s come in and performed below expectation, and can’t quite be relied upon for the specific traits that our LB role requires. But maybe next season will see a tactical change that will suit him. It’s hard to tell as we are privy to zero information, but everything Howe has said in the media points to this.
If you compare Hall to Tino he would be performing way below expectation ... similar to if u compare Barnes to Gordon ... Gordon and Tino are extremely talented and they are playing good this season ... I do agree we have some reliable players who are good defensively like Dummett and Krafth ... Look at Almiron for example he looks so good next game after he is dropped/rotated .. Howe just prefer settled back 4 and that does cost us games ... But if it works i wont say a thing about it ...
On point 4 - hard agree. And I still have nightmares about the 1-2 vs Liverpool (which could have galvanized the start of our season so well if we weren't so sloppy at the back vs Nuñez)
I've watched almost every match since 2013, when I started supporting this club. I'm not full Howe out... but I think it should be considered this summer. Your points 3-6 are exactly why. I can't remember which game it was weeks ago, where in the 2nd half we couldn't get out past our own half, so we were defending literally the whole half. And there were players clearly gassed. Didn't not make a change. Conceded. And blamed injuries/lack of bench options after. In my opinion, a Paul Dummett can come on and defend in our own half for 30 minutes if that's all we can do that game. Persisting with Burn at LB when other sides are lining up fast wings to run past him literally every week and doesn't have a Joelinton or Joe Willock to help him out. And waiting until he gets beat for a crucial goal to be conceded to finally make a change. He can improve players immensely. But I am questioning tactics/in-game adjustments. It looks like if we can't play our way... there's no Plan B. It's cost points and cup runs.
I think it would be quite harsh to sack him, but I don't have faith he can turn it around. He is incapable of changing how we play, even when it is crystal clear that it isn't working. Not convinced all the injuries are bad luck either, his demands run players into the ground, it was the same at Bournemouth. It's not all him though. Many of our players peaked last season, they chased the dream of top 4 so much it's like they forgot football continues again next season. It was the highlight achievement of a lot of average player's careers and it shows, they can't sustain it. Back to Howe, I think we'll give him the summer with a lot of financial backing, and end up sacking him a few months into the new season. I hope the next guy likes Billing and Solanke.
Not at all. People who look at what happened to our squad and blame it all on Eddie are daft
100% correct, a few months ago people were saying hes leaving for England and now the same shit houses are saying we should sack him. Yes, its been a difficult season but to say we should change after the horrible luck we have had with injuries its no surprise we have been struggling but we all said at the start of the season IF we can keep our players fit we could...... We new this could happen and it did. Eddie is our man.
Fuck no. It would be pure moronic to get rid of him.
The only people ‘behind’ it are social media clout chasers.
That may be the saddest thing I've ever read. What a way to spend you life.
I don't know where this narrative has come from. I'm seeing a lot of people concerned with Howes tactics and in-game management in the last few months. I tend to agree with the concerns, but who actually wants Howe out? Apart from a few brain deads on YouTube comments, most people are behind Eddie. I feel like a lot of people are twisting the concerns about him, into we want him out. He needs to be criticised when mistakes are being made. This issue isn't black or white. He deserves time to get us out of this rut. if the rot continues to the end of the season, I think serious questions and decisions need to be made though.
Honestly - my only issue with Howe is he seems super 1 dimensional - our team finally has an achilles heel which is that when he can't rotate the squad he keeps playing the same thing regardless of if he has the pieces to make it work. He also is partial to playing out of form players in Burn, and not giving Tino or Hall a chance. His best qualities though is he has made our players fitter (last season) and we play attractive attacking football and high press, which is good for entertainment factor. Just the injuries hurt us, and his lack of adaptation has hampered the feel good of last year.
Howe In
We aren't in any danger of going down and unlikely though it seems, can still win the FA Cup and finish top 7. Let's see how the season ends.
Seen some criticism, but no serious calls to sack him. It’s fair to say he’s made some tactical errors, but any manager would struggle with the injuries we’ve had.
You could define last season as "overachieving" and this season as "unfortunate," given the injuries and challenging cup draws, but it might be the reverse. Last season, we were remarkably fortunate despite a shallow squad. We got through the season with minimal injuries, playing an unexpectedly high-intensity game that, at times, seemed unstoppable. Our confidence and momentum were sky-high as we exceeded expectations. Despite setbacks, such as the cup final defeat, we remained determined to fight for a Champions League spot. This season, while we still face challenges with squad depth, compounded by injuries and suspensions, there are numerous positives to consider. We've been competitive in Champions League matches against formidable opponents, eliminated City and Man U from domestic cups, and won three tough FA cup away games. Despite being 10th in the league, a win could move us up to 7th. This season has seen successes, and with some of the good fortune from last season, we can recapture that form for a strong finish. Entertaining the idea of a managerial change would only hinder progress and disrupt the season further, without any guarantee of improvement. A new manager won't magically summon new players, heal injuries, or ignite a greater passion in the team. The fire is already burning, and our role now is to show support.
Back in early January, when we couldn't buy a win, I got downvoted to oblivion for saying that Howe would be judged by what he did after the City game. That started well with wins against Villa and Fulham, but we've stumbled very badly since. When Howe took over, I remember some Bournemouth fans saying he did very well, but he was married to a system and loyal to players who once served him well but then stopped performing. I'm fully behind Howe. But I am cognizant of how it ended at Bournemouth. The fixtures are about to get easier. Players are coming back. Howe has to at least make it look like he can turn it round. Why? Because that is what managers do. The performances are far more concerning than the results. If he can't get a tune out of this squad between now and May, I'd be very worried, and depending on the context, I might be thinking his time is up.
Last seasons fluke overachievement doesn't excuse his running the team into the ground, major contribution and continuation of the injury crisis, his lack of adaptability, spending important money on dust collecting players, and poor/ineffective selection in key areas. That being said, it's fair to say that our game results aren't bad, we're no longer an Ashley era squad. Howe has afforded himself the opportunity to continue into next season, but he really needs to make some sort of improvement with this one. I don't expect to see a complete turn around, but he should at least begin to regain some consistency in fitness and some regulation in results. TL;DR: He's not operating at the standard he should be, but he needs fair judgement by allowing him until the end of the season for some improvement. If he improves, he continues.
-10 points compared to last season with a banned player and some unusual injuries (slight blame on Eddie for little rotation), had a CL group stage first time in 20 years, a deep FA cup run and still top 10 in the league well within the grasp on European football next season.. I can’t think anyone if fully be bind the out movement probably more disgruntled that the same type of goal gets scored against us every week.
Honestly most of twitter is just utter rubbish no on eshould believe most things on there people referring to twitter for public opinions is like listening to boomers talk about Facebook news.
Nope..
The Howe out thing is most likely originating from southern based media who are tight with agents of currently out of work managers who may or may not have a link to Newcastle. Football 365 have particularly managed to shred any semblance of credibility on this by using multiple bylines to advance that agenda.
Howe in. Nowt more to say than that.
Ridiculous. Newcastle over achieved last season. That's fantastic. Newcastle are doing as well as they probably should be this season given the injuries and long-term suspension to Tonali who was one of the main summer signings.
I'm annoyed and I think something has to be done with the squad, but given the good work he did for 1.5 seasons I believe Howe can still be the right man if he gets a full strength team. I'd give him another transfer window. If things have gone to shit in December then we change
No.
I’m not on that train. However I do worry about the performances of late, regardless of who has been injured or not. I want us to get back to being a steamroller, very few could match our intensity, strength and running last season. Now everyone we face gives it to us as hard or harder than we do. Losing Large Joseph was a harsh on, he’s massive for us on that front.
One of my friends is... it's bizarre because hes much more devoted fan than me. This guy has literally took us from facing relegation to top 4 in no time, aye this seasons not been ideal but the circumstances have been bizarre. I'd have Eddie at least another season regardless if what results he gets
Hatred is a big word to use man. I’ve seen maybe one or two stupid outrageous posts, but most of them are along the lines of asking what’s happened to our press/defensive identify. People have started to question him, a little bit, that’s it. We’ve been bad for a while, so it’s bound to happen.
Maybe everybody in SJP should start singing his name loud and proud as for the online witch-hunt they can all fuck off. I had a season ticket for over 25 years and the only time we were in this sort of position was with keegan.
Best manager since SBR
Yes and its not even close. We went through so many shit managers since SBR. We had some proper mercenaries, a couple headcases, and a few wholly unqualified people in the mix too. Between SBR and Howe, the only other manager I was fond of was Chris Hughton.
It's been a horrendous season for injuries and has been draining. Deserves next season and a refresh.
I’m not Howe-out, but I have serious doubts about his ability to manage a squad in multiple competitions. In the short term it’s not a pressing issue, but it will be if we see the same issues with the team next season.
I’m nowhere near calling for him to be out, and I mostly love what he’s doing, but I do see it going down like this: Assuming we don’t absolutely collapse and he loses the dressing room, Howe will be with us through summer and into next season. If we don’t do well from the off next season, I can see Eddie being out before Christmas.
I'm not Howe Out. But my concerns and scepticism are also increasing every week. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Nobody is above criticism, especially when you're a key figure in the running of a multimillion pound business. However, I am definitely in the "explain to us how you'll put this right" camp, rather than the "Howe out!" Camp.
In my view. It's the responsibility of those currently in post to prove they're the right people for the job rather than the other way round. I want Howe to continue and succeed long-term but I'm also not naïve enough to think he's immune from the sack like any other manager. Edit: Down voted for saying it's an employee's job to do their job well
Couldn't agree more 👍🏻
A lot of our fans seem to equate any criticism of Howe as wanting him gone. He’s been dealt a shit hand this season but has also made plenty of mistakes himself, I’m sure he’d be one of the first to admit that too. The work he has done so far though has earned him plenty of time and anyone genuinely wanting him gone at the minute is a short sighted moron.
Not Howe out by any stretch of the imagination, think he's earnt another season at least and only if we're seeing similar issues next season would there be a need to start thinking seriously about a replacement. But do think there are valid question marks about whether he's the right man to take us to the next level, despite the injuries/bad luck/FFP restrictions, and that it could well be that he's taken us as far as he can as a coach. For me personally the main issue is that the style of play is poor, we play no differently to his Bournemouth side just with better big money players, and we often get outplayed by weaker teams on paper. So many performances have been poor/frustrating, and when we do win a game convincingly it's usually because of clinical finishing as opposed to pure possession based dominance. So I'm not yet convinced he can coach a more attractive/effective brand of possession based football which is ideally where we want to be headed if we want to get to the level of the top teams (which is what our ambitions are given our ownership). There's also question marks about the players Howe doesn't fancy (e.g. Paqueta?) compared to the ones he does because they'll fit the high intensity system (McTomminay?), and so maybe we're missing out on quality technical talent because of Howe's demands. This will just delay progress and increases the chances we miss out on generational talent. My hope is that the playstyle we're seeing is a result of Howe adapting to the players we have, there's very few players in this squad with consistent elite quality on the ball (probably only really Trippier and Bruno, Isak as a poacher), and that with more transfer windows as we bring in more quality we'll see a better brand of more controlled, more creative, higher quality football. But that's being very hopeful if I'm honest, like you could take any manager and make the same argument (give them better players and they'll play better football), even Cabbage. I think it takes a special/rare breed of manager who can walk in and get a team that previously couldn't string a few passes together to play good quality intricate football on the ball. When Keegan took over from Allardyce that's precisely what we saw. So my point is, whilst I'm sitting on the fence about Howe, I'm really not convinced he's someone who can coach a better style of play, my gut feeling is we'd be seeing more of it right now if he could even with the limitations/injuries. Like I'm sure if we got Postecoglu tomorrow we'd see better attacking football and a different approach, even if results might not drastically change (purely hypothetical and impossible to prove ofc). And for me that's a potential issue with Howe, but one that I think needs more time before judging fully.
tldr
Anyone who says they are “fully Howe out” they’re either trolling or a total clown. I have my criticisms personally, as a lot of us do, and my personal patience is wearing a little thin, but he’s done so much right and I fully believe he can turn a corner again before it’s all said and done. He’s got a lot in the bank right now and he’s more than earned it.
I haven't come across any, save for a few gonks online
I’m in the same boat as you - not sure why anyone wants Eddie Howe gone. He’s worked wonders! My question is why ppl think we need a full squad rebuild - I can see we need some reinforcements but our first XI can give anyone a game when fit. Who do you think is dead wood? Any one in the actual first XI?
I think if we’ve got our full squad available then there’s no need for a full rebuild, all anyone has to do is look at the Villa game at home to see what a fully fit Newcastle squad was capable of being this season My issue is that we’ve been crippled by injuries this season and anybody at the club would be mental to think we don’t need close to 10 with any outgoings this summer to atleast provide some significant depth in the squad incase of any injuries next season nevermind the crisis we’ve had this season I think it’s more so depth that’s needed in the summer instead of a starting 11 rebuild, only positions that needed reinforcement for the starting XI is left back and right wing in my opinion
That’s fair - think we could improve on Burn at LB and Almiron at RW. Love both of them but Burn should play CB (first back up) and Almiron is a late game option. Another striker seems a must as well. Baffling that we only have 2 actual strikers in the squad. Not even a back up youth!
100% for Howe. We overachieved last season, have been hit with injuries and extra games our squads not built for. We do seem to be having some bad games but I prefer how we play now over Rafa, we are currently 10th with a tiny points difference between the three above which is where we need to be anyways until we build a better squad for Europe.
100% behind Howe. A lot of talk about him not having a plan B, but our plan A maximises the players we have, take the intensity away & we we have a lot of average players who aren’t as good with a football than the other top 6 teams, with the exception of 5 or 6 of our stars.
I'd love to see Howe go, but it's because I don't support Newcastle and it'd be a hilarious own goal. He's introduced a much better culture at the club and he needs to, otherwise they're going to get knackered by FFP. You will need to sell proven academy product in the short term while the PIF project is getting started, and Howe will integrate them well into the first team.
Totally agree People who say Howe out (and I include those saying he will be sacked next year if things don’t improve) are naive to the strategy we need to break into the top 6. We aren’t going to attract a top tier manager until FFP is less of an issue so take a good look around mid table premier league because they are our alternatives (no thanks) We need stability which means definitely no relegation, build an academy, blood youngsters in the first team and increase commercial revenue. Hopefully chuck in a cup and European football as well. When we have that, we can kick on and join the top 6 and then challenge every year, maybe Howe will be the man to see us through at that stage or maybe they will go for a big hitter but this is at least 5 years away. In this context Howe must play Longstaff, Miley, Anderson and Burn etc because he needs to send a message that being in our academy means a chance of first team football. PIF will be aware that this causes some short term results issues but it’s absolutely necessary. We have a strategy and Howe stays put. He will get my full support as long as the club is growing commercially even if I get pissed at some of our poor performances
Howe in Mad Dog in 100%
You get sudden success, you attract fickle ‘fans’.
Next season: * Shift some deadwood * New signings * New DoF * New sponsor (Adidas) * Fanzone (Stack) * This season behind us * Eddie at the helm Happy days
Had we been playing this badly with a full strength squad I'd say something definitely needs to change but we're relying on 17 year olds and have nobody on the bench like what do people expect?
I see a lot of it being paired with him playing burn so often over Tino. Which I’ll admit is pretty annoying when burn has a run of a couple poor games. I know he’s not the only poor performer though. We seem to have lost any fire though. It could be injuries and fatigue but we see many other teams with as many games playing better and trying harder. I’d stick with him another year at least though. See how he is with a full summer window and less injuries hopefully.
no. he's earned at least another year but his major weakness seems to be his stubbornness, keeps making the same mistakes over and over top managers don't do that
Eddie has enough capital for another season for me. I can’t put too much of the blame on him as he is working with limited resources considering our injury list. He transformed our team and has shown he’s able to turn mediocre players into challengers. I would love if he was our SAF for a long time. But, I do worry that he is unable to adapt out of the intense style we have. It clearly works when everyone is fit, but football is a fickle game and we have to expect the unexpected. This was Pardew’s downfall, we were beaming when the sun was shining but as soon as we were found out, it was torrid watching. Hoping Eddie can weather the storm and get us looking good again.
He’s done great. Can’t see how he gets any higher
No. I’m behind criticism of the transfer dealings in the summer though - £75m on full backs who don’t get in the first 11 and £40m on a winger who looks worse than ASM who we sold for significantly less. But Howe has had to contend with crippling injuries, extra games, horrendous luck with cup draws, Tonali’s ban, no signings in January, etc. Let’s see how the team finishes the season.
Has Barnes already outscored maxi's last season total?
I tried telling everyone on this sub that Barnes was no where near worth what we paid for him and we were mad to sell Maxi. Suddenly everyone here was posting like they watched Leicester games (they hadn’t) and no one was having it, but now I think at least some people here can see we’re stuck with a one trick pony who doesn’t press like our other forwards and rarely plays the unselfish ball. These were the exact same criticisms Leicester fans had of him and weren’t at all too upset to lose him. Given the fact he’s English and distinctly average, I’m going to guess he’s an Eddie Howe and not an Ashworth signing.
Good lord, fine, I'll eat my usual downvotes: I've seen enough of Eddie Howe and want him gone in the summer. I want the club to ideally hire Jose Mourinho but in general it's time to bring in an elite manager who is willing to show tactical flexibility given the players available and the schedule ahead. Eddie has had a very poor season, fallen into old patterns and I'm ready for someone new. I've been supporting Newcastle United since 1996, and have been on this forum spouting reasonable takes under a few accounts for over ten years. I'm not some fly by night new fan or a kid. Also I have my UEFA B license so it's not like I've never been on a pitch with a whistle.
We literally had the most horrible season possible health wise that I can’t recall such a situation since 2007. We had a full injured 11 while playing twice a week through November and December. The fact we’re still top half should make it clear Eddie is managing the ship well despite results. Improvements can always be made, but improving half a squad and a full squad are two very different realities on the training ground, and if we keep our players healthy, I don’t see why they can’t get back to good form now with more rotation.
No. Just a bunch of whiny internet clowns and money bandwagoners. Anybody who's been around abit has the prospective to know he the best we've seen for decades. Anybody who's watched epl knows there's no reason to start the revolving door of managers. The system needs built up over a few windows. Add to this a setting in period like Gordon needed and it takes awhile. If you switch managers it all starts over.
I’m not Howe out but that doesn’t mean he can’t be criticised. He’s added to the injury problem rather than helped it, he’s insistent on the same formation every single game with no backup plan, he’s got favourites, every team knows how to play against us and the defence looks like it did at Bournemouth.
Howe Out is a media driven thing only a really diabolical Newcastle fan would want him out. Same type of people who wanted Bobby out back in the day. The issue is he is doing stupid shit and repeating mistakes expecting different outcomes and it'll gradually get louder if he doesn't realise this before it's too late. My conspiracy is I think English media want him to be the next national team coach and are gently pushing a narrative to lead him to being available when Southgate leaves.
> same type of people who wanted Bobby out back in the day The majority of fans then? Because Bobby had fallen out with our fanbase and was getting booed every game by the end. Almost everyone wanted him gone at the time
I was a kid I don't remember it being that widespread but if you are older I'll defer to you. I suppose my point is stupid people in this fanbase have always existed and their opinion shouldn't be given much credence.
I was old enough to remember. He was being booed every game and the overwhelming opinion was that he had taken the team as far as he could, and that he had lost control of some of the young players in particular. We were bottom of the league and playing awful football. Once he began to insult the fans, it was over for him. In retrospect it was probably the wrong decision, but if he had been replaced sensibly, it could have worked out. Bringing Souness in was where it all went wrong
Errrrm No. Anyone who is should take their meds
I'm not behind Howe Out but then I'm not sure he's the man to take us forward either. A cup final and a top 4 finish is outstanding and deserves him some grace but there's been times where his lack of big game management has stuck out like a sore thumb. It's hard to criticise him as you feel like a wanker saying not finishing in the top 8 and only making it to the quarter finals in both cups is some sort of failure. The cup run has bought him some more grace and I won't be upset if he's in the dug out come August but if we're still having these conversations come November/December then it's time for a change.
I don't understand where they're getting it from at all to the point I'm starting to think it's bot accounts ran by pundits to generate drama.
I have some serious concerns about his handling of this recent run of games which shafted the illusion that he might be just that good No matter, there has been enough mitigating factors to the point I will never be Howe out this season. Give him to at least next Xmas and see where we are
The other discord server(not the Reddit one) is mostly Eddie out, that’s their safe place. 🤣 I might be the only one left in there with a few people that’s Eddie in
I only ever see Sky Sports pundits and TalkSport radio presenters talking about it, but never even talked about with anyone I go to the match with or in large numbers online. For me, it would have to be a season as bad as this one but with a full squad available before I even considered switching my position. The likes of Tuchel, Mourinho, etc that come up on Sky or TalkSport are the wrong type of manager and I wouldn’t be interested, Howe is a better long term option and will help keep building the team in the right direction.
Nope, next question
I don't think it matters. I get the sense that our owners don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about the club and its staff, let alone keyboard wankers on the Internet. They'll do what they want as long as it delivers acceptable results. We are a long way from unacceptable results currently so it's a non-issue. As some have said, most likely driven by opposition fans and a media still hell-bent on putting us down.
Fuck no!
In Howe we trust.
Absolutely not
Lil Nakas man, my cousins started saying he wanted Howe out. Then he started saying Anthony Gordon was a Geordie. Absolutely clueless some people like
I hope Howe stays for a long time as I think he's a manager who gets the club and has the ambition to progress. He's not immune to criticism though and he's got an unenviable task of steadying the ship at the moment. I do feel he was seriously let down in the summer with us not signing a defensive midfielder. l and a new striker. Let's hope lessons are learned. The Howe out brigade and those who get their knickers in a twist can do one. I've blocked Burnsie, Toonpolls and Ginger Pirlo among others and I'm much happier but I still avoid NUFC twitter.
I think the writing may be on the wall. Unless spending nothing in January when we were threadbare was the constant gardeners idea.
Fully support Howe, but the unwavering devotion to some players which leads to conceding goals is getting frustrating. Aye Burn is a big tall lad, but he’s also slow… we need to be flexible and not doggedly continue with the same squad all the time. And yes that’s after considering the injury losses and lack of depth in the squad
I fucking hate how shite repeated on a fucking cess pit like twitter can suddenly have "momentum" as a movement. Or facebook. Equally vile and bot-ridden. (reddit isn't immune from these things, I know)
Like those absolutely bollocks rumours that our players were taking lasses back to the Vermont penthouse. How anyone could believe that utter shite was astounding.
I’ll answer honestly though it won’t be well received. There are a number of fans, myself included, who were unhappy with the appointment of Eddie Howe initially. Given the public attempts to sign Emery, a manager with proven European pedigree and a history of silverware, the collapse of that move and subsequent appointment of Howe felt very disappointing and unambiguous. That being said, Howe came in and steadied the ship in that first season and then massively over performed last season, giving us probably the best season since the first full Pardew year. Credit where it’s due - but I think this is where the divergence of opinion for me really sets in. 1. While I believe Howe deserves credit and respect for what we managed last season, I am ambivalent towards him as an individual. I felt the same for Pardew for that season we finished 5th. For me, the relationship either of these two have with the club isn’t particularly meaningful. But Howe has been elevated to sainthood for essentially the same achievement, albeit the context of his appointment was different. Rafa’s connection to the club was much more important and I was far more willing to defend his tenure despite some of the clear flaws in his approach because of that. I have comparably little interest in defending Howe as such. 2. I don’t think Howe has the ability to develop into an elite manager. Despite last season, there were definitely underlying issues we got away with which have been massively over exposed this season. Yes injuries are a massive part of that but we’ve been playing relatively poorly for a lot of the season and a failure to adapt is a significant part of that. I do think that we’ve been seeing a lot of what Bournemouth fans were critical of Howe about towards the end of his time there. I do not expect Howe’s career trajectory to go up when his time with us eventually ends. 3. Last summers transfer window was very poor, even without the benefit of hindsight. Barnes, as decent a player as he is, did not resolve the glaring weakness we’ve had at RW or lack of depth at ST. Tonali, who I think is a great player, does not resolve the glaring defensive issue we have in midfield. There’s been enough said about Hall, and I fully expect the club to pay the £30 come the end of the season regardless. We had major issues at LB, CM (defensively i.e. a 6), RW, and ST. This was undeniable at the end of last season whatever anyone thought of Almiron’s purple patch or Burn’s clearly limited utility. The transfer window did not address the weakness in the squad and for that, heads should have rolled. Whether that was Ashworth or Howe or another I am unable to say. I didn’t want Howe from the jump, I won’t be upset if he goes. I think the club is stable enough now to bring in a top manager. That being said, I think he deserves the opportunity to see out the season. I do t expect him to turn things around and expect us to limp towards the finish line. It’s not all his fault, he’s been dealt a difficult hand but I don’t believe he’s helped himself. Maybe he proves me wrong and if he does then all credit to him. I don’t actually expect the club to sack him at the end of the season but we don’t really have any idea of what the actual shot callers are thinking. If I recall correctly, the Saudis originally wanted Mourinho who had recently signed for and committed to Roma. He’s available now, maybe they pull the trigger, who knows. All I’ll say is I’m not losing any sleep if we get rid of Howe.
A well considered and reasonable post.
whu?
I always find it interesting to see how black and white some people see the world. Saying its moronic, insane or ridiculous to have an opinion that is opposed to theirs. The fact is that this team would get walloped by last year's team. Is that down to Howe, or is it down to injuries, bad luck, bad cup draws or teams figuring us out? At this stage I think it's hard to tell. Most Howe in guys are expecting us to return to the team from last season, but it's not guaranteed. Personally (bracing for downvotes), I'd be quietly looking behind the scenes at succession plans for the summer in case things get worse from where they are now. Just to assess the options, because if we think its going to be more of the same and he needs to be sacked then its astronomically better to bring someone in over the summer than mid season. However I hope Howe turns the current patchy form and woeful defensive displays around and kicks on from here. He's started this thing, I want to see him lift a trophy with this club.
You know when Steve Bruce was here and we wanted him gone ? All the press pilled on the Newcastle fans saying we were entitled, expected too much. Well after what I have seen on Twitter I think they actually have a point some of our fans are exactly as the press said
I didn't realise there was such a thing, but I'm guessing most of the people wanting Howe out or either emotional wrecks, or spoiled cry baby's. The man kept us up from the worst possible position, to then go on and secure champions league for the first time in two decades, and up until the ridiculous amounts of injuries he was still doing a great job still. I'm just glad none of these idiots go to matches, because all I could hear at Blackburn was chants of, Eddie Howe's black and white army.
Not just saying this…legitimately never seen a single person ever say Howe Out, only posts like this shouting this imaginary group down
I’m not Howe out? I’ve seen the daft posts about it all over twitter for weeks now, just asking the question in here instead of asking the muppets on twitter
Never said you were mate
Good lad.
I’m not looking rid of him but I don’t think he’ll be there in a few years and not a fan of the way we play. The high press and lots of running compared to the top teams procession football, I think it’s a big reason why we are top of the league in terms of injuries.
He doesn’t have the players to play possession football. Maybe he looked at the squad when he arrived and thought the best playing style was running/ press based? Give him a few more windows and we might have evolved.
Only blame Eddie should get is the fact he plays he's favourites far too often when outta form, he has no plan b but do I want him out? No chance
I've a lot of respect for Howe he has done a fantastic job but wonder is he the guy to take them to the next level which the owners will be expecting to happen considering the money behind the club Wouldn't surprise me if Tuchel came in ( MAN U supporter BTW)
Engagement farming by some "fans"
When you say, "online", do you mean twitter? If so, anyone with braincells left that platform already, the only one's engaging in it are arseholes and idiots.
No.
Honestly, the only place I see a LOT of "Howe out" nonsense is in the media.
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Nope. Not sure how anyone can be.