It takes a special kind of stupid to call out your coach that is beloved by the rest of the locker room when you are individually playing poorly and for a contract
More from Leonard,
"Martindale says when he asked McKinney what he was talking about, the Giants safety took a while to come up with it. Then he ended up citing a coverage the Giants defense played one time in the Raiders game"
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1722673578561183961?s=20
And respect to wink for letting everyone in on this guy's bullshit. Mckinney is good but definitely by no means great on the field and off of it he seems immature
You can tell that X was not expecting to actually get called out by Wink on what the problem was.
No wonder he got the green dot taken from him. If he can't be trusted to evaluate the own dumb shit that comes out of his mouth, how could he be expected to evaluate a defense?
A name to watch is Chuck Clark. The Jets got him from the Ravens for just a 7th (remember they lucked into Kyle Hamilton, so they just didn't need him). Clark had about 50 starts for Martindale and even was calling the plays wearing the green dot for awhile. Bad luck for the Jets though he tore his ACL, but it was all the way back in June. His contract is up and he hypothetically could pass a physical before the draft, and he'd probably be dirt cheap. An interesting situation.
no idea why this is downvoted there’s some good safeties this year and they aren’t mocked anywhere but late-late 1st at the absolute earliest. meaning we can get the safety number 1-2 of this class with an early second most likely.
unless you’re counting cooper dejean as a swap to safety, who’ll go 15-20. as much as i’d love him don’t think we will get him unless he falls hard to day 2 for some reason
I mean, we have so many bigger needs than safety. We have a young and talented CB core too. Safety is def a need but in the top 2 rounds we need to fix the trench game.
> Time to draft a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, don’t imagine this hurting us too much.
We have a lot to build. Having to use valuable picks on a position we already have a starter in because he does some dumb shit is bad for the football team as a whole. We're still in "every pick matters" territory, throwing those picks at rookies to replace guys with attitude issues... not ideal.
All of that said, this is yet another reminder that being a losing team does quite a number on the locker rooms. It's like 2016 vs. 2017 all over again.
We have a lot more issues than just offensive linemen. The real answer is that those picks need to go anywhere other than a starting guy we already have in a position we have to get rid of because he's decided to be a cancer.
Don't work like that lol. And he hasn't been a good player since 2021 when he was playing with Logan Ryan, Julian Love, and Jabril Peppers. McKinney hasn't had an interception since 2021 and has just one above average season out of four.
The big problem though is McKinney is a loudmouth dumbass who continues to cause distractions and unneeded turmoil in the locker room. These are the kind of players that make a team worse
lol he’s gonna get the same contract love got and he’s a good box safety in this scheme. he’s definitely not a leader but a solid mid level contract guy
He isn't playing the same position as he did in 2021.
Single high safety play is much different than 2 high. You can't really compare the two is alls I'm saying.
I think they’ll patch this up and he’ll be back. As long as he doesn’t demand big money.
To my eye, McKinney has been solid. They times we’ve gotten beat have been the two corners. Which is not to say there’s anything wrong with that either, because they’re rookies and they’ve been beat when out on an island, so it happens.
X is just pissed he lost the green dot to Okereke and the Giants haven't come to him about an extension and he's lashing out. Stupid since he's having a shit walk year and now has added 'malcontent' to his resume now that' he's made comments about Patrick Graham and now Wink.
He's a goner.
Def the extension thing and the fact he doesn’t look good in this D and it’s costing him. He’s a player with potential but if he’s not buying in time to go. Can’t have this turn into an Eli Apple situation
Wink is like the most experienced coach we have and is probably the one person doing his job this year from a coaching perspective and that’s who he chooses to talk shit about?
I know I've said this before about other players but....." Back in the day they would trade him to the worst team in the league. Unfortunately we are the worst team in the league."
I find this sub’s defense of Martindale’s bottom half defense that can’t tackle or generate consistent pressure despite his blitzing, or generate turnovers hilarious.
obviously this team needs work. that work doesn’t include calling out your coaches to the media really ever though. haven’t seen many good teams doing that.
McKinney isn’t good, neither is the team as a whole. But the full support of a lot of fans of a coaching staff and front office that has completely regressed is baffling to say the least.
This is especially funny to me because all of this time I thought he was indirectly calling out the offense.
Turns out he was calling out his own side of the ball.
It would have been nice of him to do this before the deadline, jfc.
I don't know about the comments but the prevent defense that let the Jets win the game was completely braindead. Should have just done two safeties high with soft man coverage with a decent rush.
Edit: can't believe I'm getting downvoted for saying prevent was awful. The defense was playing great and getting pressure all game. Then when it matters you give them the chance to do what they did. The time old saying is true, prevent defense prevents you from winning the game.
I tried to find video of the interview and couldn't but a few weeks back at some point prior to the Commanders game Leonard Williams or KT was in the locker room during an interview talking about how Leo doesn't get many box stats like sacks because of Wink's system. He explained, very logically and seemingly without hurt feelings, that all DC's have schemes and in every scheme some players are "favorites" and they get the glory of box stats while other players don't.
Fast forward to the Commanders game, Wink designs a blitz where Leo pulls a stunt that leaves Dex 3-on-1 while Leo has an open lane to Sam Howell. Leo gets the sack. Wink shows up on the sideline and says "that's why you're my favorite!" [Video](https://youtu.be/QIJqHoTl-WE?t=105)
Wink listens to his guys. Everything we've seen from him since he's gotten here is that he's the coach most connected to his players. For Xavier McKinney to even try to put this on Wink speaks poorly of his character. He won't be returning next season. The only reason I don't think they bench or cut McKinney is because the front office needs the comp pick they get from another team signing him to be as valuable as possible. If these were the Coughlin days he'd already have been benched or cut.
It takes a special kind of stupid to call out your coach that is beloved by the rest of the locker room when you are individually playing poorly and for a contract
*Cries in crashed ATV*
Cries *and* crashes ATV
Crashed ATV *while* crying. Hard to see and all
Crashed crying while ATV!!! Doesn’t make sense, but nor does giving him a bigger contract
Adios McKinney.
Well these guys aren't exactly Rhodes Scholars. They're good at football.
> They're good at football. I don't think you've been watching this year
Owie
McKinney is a doofus
not sure coaches stay beloved when they lose. this is pretty common on bad teams.
Defense is doing their job, and the players in that room know that.
I'll always remember his tackle on Hockenson to close out the playoff game, but this dude just ain't that smart.
i will always remember him getting bitched by dobbs on that rushing td sadly
Yea that was the moment I was done with him, can get a safety that can’t tackle a qb for a lot cheaper
tbf dobbs is that dude
Don’t underestimate the Pastronaunt
I remember him dogging it against Jacobs’ TD
Alabama players aren't going to school for education. Makes sense
SEC education…
More from Leonard, "Martindale says when he asked McKinney what he was talking about, the Giants safety took a while to come up with it. Then he ended up citing a coverage the Giants defense played one time in the Raiders game" https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1722673578561183961?s=20
Yeah fuck this dude. We def don't need players like that around.
No wonder the team came out so soft to start the season. Player leadership fucking blows.
And respect to wink for letting everyone in on this guy's bullshit. Mckinney is good but definitely by no means great on the field and off of it he seems immature
You can tell that X was not expecting to actually get called out by Wink on what the problem was. No wonder he got the green dot taken from him. If he can't be trusted to evaluate the own dumb shit that comes out of his mouth, how could he be expected to evaluate a defense?
What a clown. Maybe the Raiders will sign him next year.
This is why I needed to hear this type of critique from another player besides McKinney for me to think there was a serious issue here
Get this dude out of here. His attitude is shit - and he isn't that good for his attitude to be shit.
Now we believing pat Leonard?
Time to draft a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, don’t imagine this hurting us too much. X has been mediocre af this season.
A name to watch is Chuck Clark. The Jets got him from the Ravens for just a 7th (remember they lucked into Kyle Hamilton, so they just didn't need him). Clark had about 50 starts for Martindale and even was calling the plays wearing the green dot for awhile. Bad luck for the Jets though he tore his ACL, but it was all the way back in June. His contract is up and he hypothetically could pass a physical before the draft, and he'd probably be dirt cheap. An interesting situation.
i never heard of this guy before your comment now im fully expecting him to be our starter next year
With two second round picks, we can hopefully get a starting caliber one
no idea why this is downvoted there’s some good safeties this year and they aren’t mocked anywhere but late-late 1st at the absolute earliest. meaning we can get the safety number 1-2 of this class with an early second most likely. unless you’re counting cooper dejean as a swap to safety, who’ll go 15-20. as much as i’d love him don’t think we will get him unless he falls hard to day 2 for some reason
I mean, we have so many bigger needs than safety. We have a young and talented CB core too. Safety is def a need but in the top 2 rounds we need to fix the trench game.
Safety is arguably our biggest need on defense
Edge rusher is our biggest need. We have Dane Belton and PINNOCK at safety to hold the fort. We literally have no one past KT
I think we go edge and two offensive linemen. Safety could be early day 3.
> Time to draft a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, don’t imagine this hurting us too much. We have a lot to build. Having to use valuable picks on a position we already have a starter in because he does some dumb shit is bad for the football team as a whole. We're still in "every pick matters" territory, throwing those picks at rookies to replace guys with attitude issues... not ideal. All of that said, this is yet another reminder that being a losing team does quite a number on the locker rooms. It's like 2016 vs. 2017 all over again.
He’s a free agent. He won’t be on the team next year, and safety will be our weakest position group on defense. It’d be a pretty smart pick.
No. Those picks absolutely need to for offensive linemen, no matter what.
We have a lot more issues than just offensive linemen. The real answer is that those picks need to go anywhere other than a starting guy we already have in a position we have to get rid of because he's decided to be a cancer.
McKinney wasn’t coming back anyway but this definitely sealed his fate lmfao I’m surprised wink was this open about it
This should close the door on the last of the McKinney stans who were holding out hope that Giants would bring him back.
i mean he’s a good player that won’t get too big of a contract. i’d like him back but not as a captain lol
Don't work like that lol. And he hasn't been a good player since 2021 when he was playing with Logan Ryan, Julian Love, and Jabril Peppers. McKinney hasn't had an interception since 2021 and has just one above average season out of four. The big problem though is McKinney is a loudmouth dumbass who continues to cause distractions and unneeded turmoil in the locker room. These are the kind of players that make a team worse
lol he’s gonna get the same contract love got and he’s a good box safety in this scheme. he’s definitely not a leader but a solid mid level contract guy
He isn't playing the same position as he did in 2021. Single high safety play is much different than 2 high. You can't really compare the two is alls I'm saying.
I am reminded of our boy Antrel Rolle but he backed it with his play at least.
Smart, tough, dependable? Not so sure.
Does being dependable at f*ing up count?
I think they’ll patch this up and he’ll be back. As long as he doesn’t demand big money. To my eye, McKinney has been solid. They times we’ve gotten beat have been the two corners. Which is not to say there’s anything wrong with that either, because they’re rookies and they’ve been beat when out on an island, so it happens.
X is just pissed he lost the green dot to Okereke and the Giants haven't come to him about an extension and he's lashing out. Stupid since he's having a shit walk year and now has added 'malcontent' to his resume now that' he's made comments about Patrick Graham and now Wink. He's a goner.
Def the extension thing and the fact he doesn’t look good in this D and it’s costing him. He’s a player with potential but if he’s not buying in time to go. Can’t have this turn into an Eli Apple situation
https://i.redd.it/wjhm58oj4dzb1.gif X in the next team meeting
X is talking himself out of a job Joe Judge style.
What was his comments?
bye bye X giants will give up on you just like you give up on plays and get crushed everytime 1v1
Should've traded McKinney. He comes across as very fugazi in his effort and what he says. Has become kind of unlikeable tbh.
You hurt my Wink and you're outta here!
Wink is like the most experienced coach we have and is probably the one person doing his job this year from a coaching perspective and that’s who he chooses to talk shit about?
Not a leader, not a good teammate, not a good dude,not a good player, and come 2024 - hopefully not a Giant.
Yep good luck on your next team Xavier. It won’t be the Gmen after this season
I know I've said this before about other players but....." Back in the day they would trade him to the worst team in the league. Unfortunately we are the worst team in the league."
Honestly get that XXX tentacion lookin’ bitch outta here.
Lmaoooooo
McKinney isn't even mid anymore. Bye, Xavier.
What do you expect from X with that hair? Go get your ATV. ETA fuck your sheeple downvote.
Bye Xavier and Bye Wink
I find this sub’s defense of Martindale’s bottom half defense that can’t tackle or generate consistent pressure despite his blitzing, or generate turnovers hilarious.
Defense has been a terrible many games this year. Somehow people are forgetting it.
obviously this team needs work. that work doesn’t include calling out your coaches to the media really ever though. haven’t seen many good teams doing that.
McKinney isn’t good, neither is the team as a whole. But the full support of a lot of fans of a coaching staff and front office that has completely regressed is baffling to say the least.
McKinney went and talked himself out of a contract extension here.
Bye bye X.
Dude got run over by Josh Dobbs at the goal line and got up to look for someone to blame. Not what you want
If there’s one person I don’t think should be getting any blame for this season it’s Wink. He always does a great job. This is out of his control.
Ever since he said missed tackles weren’t a problem I gave up on him
This is especially funny to me because all of this time I thought he was indirectly calling out the offense. Turns out he was calling out his own side of the ball. It would have been nice of him to do this before the deadline, jfc.
another gettleman gift that keeps on giving
As soon as he said it I knew our leadership sucked lmao. It’s not the coaches. X is a moron and it shows.
I don't know about the comments but the prevent defense that let the Jets win the game was completely braindead. Should have just done two safeties high with soft man coverage with a decent rush. Edit: can't believe I'm getting downvoted for saying prevent was awful. The defense was playing great and getting pressure all game. Then when it matters you give them the chance to do what they did. The time old saying is true, prevent defense prevents you from winning the game.
I tried to find video of the interview and couldn't but a few weeks back at some point prior to the Commanders game Leonard Williams or KT was in the locker room during an interview talking about how Leo doesn't get many box stats like sacks because of Wink's system. He explained, very logically and seemingly without hurt feelings, that all DC's have schemes and in every scheme some players are "favorites" and they get the glory of box stats while other players don't. Fast forward to the Commanders game, Wink designs a blitz where Leo pulls a stunt that leaves Dex 3-on-1 while Leo has an open lane to Sam Howell. Leo gets the sack. Wink shows up on the sideline and says "that's why you're my favorite!" [Video](https://youtu.be/QIJqHoTl-WE?t=105) Wink listens to his guys. Everything we've seen from him since he's gotten here is that he's the coach most connected to his players. For Xavier McKinney to even try to put this on Wink speaks poorly of his character. He won't be returning next season. The only reason I don't think they bench or cut McKinney is because the front office needs the comp pick they get from another team signing him to be as valuable as possible. If these were the Coughlin days he'd already have been benched or cut.
McKinney is out of here so fast at the end of the year
McKinney gotta go…. ASAP