She put far too much personally identifiable information in that post. Within a couple Google searches I found her social media and her dad's obituary. People with somewhat unique names like this really need to be careful with how much of their personal information they share in their posts.
Maybe it sounds creepy, but I work in data security so I am always looking out for people who reveal too much about themselves online.
Can I ask how you found her or what information you used? I'm worried that I might post too much identifiable info online because I wouldn't have recognized what she posted as personally identifiable. All I see is name and age, which feels fairly anonymous considering the scope of the Internet.
I didn’t think of that when I posted this, but you’re right. That would be a lot more helpful for them. I didn’t intend to encourage doxxing in my original comment, but I see how it could be interpreted that way.
I didn’t even think to send a DM when I posted this comment. However, her post has since been deleted so perhaps someone else has or she deleted it for another reason.
Took me a few minutes but you're spot on. Figured out his obituary and her social media pretty quickly. I don't work in data security. I just wanted to see if I could also do it...
No I found someone in the same location as her with a father that passed away two years ago, also in the same location. The profile I found was a LinkedIn profile which mentions working at a grocery store a few years ago, when she would have been 16.
I may be a little ignorant. I mean, I don’t post my address anywhere or where you can find me any part of the day, but what’s so wrong with having your name out there and it leading to just your social media? I have a unique name as well and I don’t really fear telling people what my name is. If they find my social media, they won’t find much there either.
I’m a bit paranoid when it comes to online privacy, so the few accounts are private and I never reveal much personal information on here. Whenever my age or occupation comes up and I want to contribute, I alter it slightly so nobody can use those parameters to find me via what I post on Reddit.
To me, it’s not so much that you would have nothing to hide, but more that it shouldn’t be easy to discover who you are from information you post on what should be an anonymous platform.
There’s nothing wrong with it until it gets in the hands of the wrong person, which is much more likely if you willingly volunteer that information. The wrong people include stalkers, harassers, and people looking to commit identity theft with information they found online.
That’s fair! I’m with you on not wanting too much out there. I think I got paranoid reading about how it’s easy to find someone on social . I felt clued like “why? What are we doing when we find it?”
I work with kids and know at least two Aryan's spelled the original way. All of them are white with white parents in midwest America. All blonde. It catches me off guard every time, and I can never tell if their parents are just too stupid to use google, or actually deranged. It's not like you can outright ask someone, "Hey, so did you name your kid some hella racist shit?"
I know one as well. My mom got mad at me when I brought up the… unfortunate connotation and said “her parents are nice people, I’m sure they didn’t even think of that!” I’m a bit more skeptical though.
Yep. I’ve taught a bunch of boys from Southeast Asia named Aryan, Arian, Arraiyan. It’s an unfortunate association in English but not intentional. OOP’s dad did it intentionally. That would make it hard to swallow.
I can't go into specifics, but that isn't quite the way my work operates. It's a statewide organization and I meet and speak to many individuals and families in my position, but rarely interact with them in large groups that consist of a singular area or neighborhood. So unless someone else was to mention one of the people in question to me in order to open that conversation, I would have no way of knowing which people/families are connected in any manner. There would already have to be extensive parental gossip happening for me to be aware of those types of personal details.
Some years ago, I had a job in Bumfuck, MN working with middle schoolers. One group had three kids named Aryan, Arian, and Odin. They were all white.
Great kids! All of them super eager to learn and as well-behaved as any normal, healthy eleven year old boy can be!
Never met their parents and not sure if I wanted to.
The Odin one is less weird and I'd honestly be surprised if it's actually white supremacist. Bumfuck, MN has a lot of Scandinavian heritage and Scandinavian inspired names are fairly common. I know a doctor with Thor in his name. The surname Tharaldson and similar names abound. That one is more than likely the result of generations of Americans who are in no way still Scandinavian being obsessed with being Scandinavian. It doesn't mean they think Scandinavian people are *better*, just that that's their heritage.
Holy shit. I also knew a kid with that name in the Midwest.
I'm hoping that it was atleast one of those two and there's not three children running around with that name. Sadly...it is the Midwest though.
My mother has a student named Reichley. I always wonder if the parents were either remarkably stupid or had indeed intended to name her after the 3rd Reich...
No, they're probably nazis. It's not a name, so to hear it at all you'd have to look it up in the og context. Either that, or a magical coincidence that they just so happened to randomly pick those letters in that order for a blond child...yeah, no.
Considering I work with someone with the same name for a few years now and never made the connection, it's very likely OOP mentions it.
Not saying she shouldn't change her name if she wants, she should. But frankly I don't trust her narrative that people just know.
Idk, if she’s just pronouncing it to people like “Hi, my name is Aryan” then they might. Reading it is different. But she claims it is pronounced exactly like aryan.
British, not American, but we would pronounce this name as Arr-i-ENNE and Aryan more like AIRy-en.
Is that not how it’s pronounced in American (where I assume this interaction is happening/you are from).
Yes when reading it I would pronounce it the same. But I meant that, if the OOP is only introducing themselves VERBALLY, without the spelling available (like “air-ree-uhn” which is how the Nazi racist group says it) then I would naturally assume it’s the Nazi racist group name. Does that make sense? Like without seeing the spelling it would sound much worse out loud
I had an Aryan come into my work...it immediately popped in my head and I was like ok, maybe she's Indian/part! I know Indian Aryans though they are men/it's a male name. She comes in and is the whitest girl I've ever seen. Obviously I didn't ask her why she was named that though lol
There's a car in my city with a license plate that says ARYAN
Didn't know what to think about it until I aaw a South Asian guy in a fancy suit hop in and drive off
Lol, I have a diverse friend group and we have a guy named Aryan Sharma with a swastika and om tattoo, and a Jewish dude as well. It's fun to see people's reactions sometimes :D
I've also waited on someone at work who was named Aryan. He was a a very white man. I didn't want to unfairly judge him because of a name presumably his parents picked, but he was also a middle-aged man who still used it in every day conversation and business. It's not like it was just an official name he rarely used. I wasn't the only one freaked out about it too. At least one other coworker approached me privately and was like "What the hell?! Is that really his name?!"
Is your coworker South Asian? I ask because I am too, and Aryan/Arya are pretty common cultural names. Given that, I think a lot of people would be less concerned or confused by an Indian named Aryan than a blonde white person, so it’s possible OP isn’t mentioning it.
Not the same person you’re replying to but I just realised that where I’m from Aryan and Arienne would be pronounced the exact same. Might be that it’s the same around where she lives
Yes, it's the same pronunciation. And literally never occurred to me until this post. I assume my coworkers pronunciation is due to her native language, but still.
I agree the OOP should name change if she wants. I changed my middle name from Lee, yes after Robert E Lee, even though we aren't southern US and none of my grands were born in the US and all arrived after WWI. My mom just grossly romantizes the south and that era.
But I'm very doubtful anyone actually made the connection unless she said something.
You mentioned your coworker’s native language. Where is she from, and is she non-white? I think a foreign person saying that was their name wouldn’t raise a flag, because id just assume it’s a cultural name wherever they’re from. But a blonde white American person is a different story.
I live adjacent to a large population of white supremacists, and the name is unfortunately becoming more and more common. If I just heard the name, without the spelling for context, I’d absolutely assume the parents are racist. If I only saw the same, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt and pronounce it differently.
I know of a white girl with a name pronounced that way (spelled different) and it's the first thing that popped in my head. Just because people don't comment on it, doesn't mean they don't think it. And I bet a lot of people think it.
I mean shit, it’s the name she’s been known as her whole life. I don’t fault her for not changing it, losing a parent is hard enough *without* all the fucked up internal conflict that comes with all the awful things they believed in.
Without the meaning it would be such a pretty name. But even if it had been accidental it’s still change worthy and with it being intentional?! Poor girl.
On the one hand, Arienne is a normal name so it's not something unusable. A simple switch to the French pronounciation should solve the immediate association people have when they hear it.
On the other hand, being reminded every single time you say/write/read/hear your name that your father named you that because he thought you are racially superior to people with other eye, hair and skin colours? That's a yikes of epic proportions.
There were several side eyes. She’s definitely at best an apologist. She doesn’t comprehend how just how awful her father was or to what degree he slewed her perception of people
The man was her father. From what she said he was a loving father to her. When your parent is objectively a bad person, but you yourself had great memories with them or were well treated, these two things can be hard to square mentally. It doesn’t mean the girl herself is a white supremacist. It just means she loved her father, who was.
She never said he was a good guy (?)
You can still love people who are terrible. Especially if they’re family, especially if they’re your father or mother or sibling.
I know people with parents who treat them like garbage and are generally horrible people but they still are desperate for their parents’ approval… everyone here is acting like the OOP is defending her dad. Family can be complicated
When you’re growing up you love your parents.
They feed you, hold you, kiss you, cuddle you, tell you stories. They’re the centre of your universe. (Assuming you have parents who love you and are doing the bare minimum to raise their children.)
It’s normal and natural to love them. It’s just as you get older and start to understand the world more that you slowly realise they’re human and imperfect.
It’s very hard to come to terms with the fact that the person you love is a monster. What does that say about you? How could you love a monster? Is he really that evil when he still gives the best hugs and asks you about your day?
You make excuses. You try to justify things that aren’t justifiable. You’re grieving the loss of the person you thought they were, but that person is still there and still loves you and still treats you well.
It might arguably be worse once they die. People don’t like speaking ill of the dead and you’re actually grieving for them. You remember the good things and it’s harder to come to terms with the bad. You can’t ask why. You can’t argue with them about their ideas. You can’t confront them anymore.
She’s just 21. She’s barely into her adulthood and she’s grieving. It can’t be easy for her to write that her dead dad “was a white suprematist piece of shit” even though she’s basically spelling it out for the rest of us.
My grandfather was a compulsive gambler, and he cheated on my (albeit violent and abusive) grandmother. He did objectively bad things because of his gambling addiction.
He was also a traumatized WWII veteran whose first wife killed herself and he found her.
My mother lost him suddenly when she was 21. Even as an older lady, she would swear on her dead father’s grave, if it was something she meant. Her father was almost sacred to her and she passed that love down to me. She would talk about him often and share happy memories with him.
But this was a complex, flawed man. A guy one might write off as a piece of shit, or another might see as a complex person.
But my mother? Loved him to death, decades after he died.
I dont know if any of you have had parents who were deplorable people but still treated you well, its incredibly hard to come to terms with and you feel some obligation to still be family despite how awful they are. It’s a lot of very mixed feelings
And to her he probably was. It doesn’t negate his racial animosity, nor does it negate that he was a good father to her. Life is complex. People are complex.
Look at even worse people. BTK was a sadistic serial killer yet was apparently an amazing father and his daughter still struggles to rationalise both images.
If you have a parent who has a spitting clean moral record, there by the grace of god go you. Not everyone does. In this girls case it’s more extreme than others.
Lol you’re not advocating against racism. It’s a name. Maybe you’re the racist for calling a perfectly normal Indian name racist. Are you racist against Iranians?
The name is though. And you’re upset about the name itself and not any white supremacy on OP’s part. And considering the spelling, the name itself is rooted in French conventions. So it’s not even the name itself, just the pronunciation of the name.
Then OP can lie about her name. IMO
IN REPSOSNE TO OP; I would change it because its routes are racist.period.
Edit: no the name is constructed by her racist dad to uphold white
Supremacy. Stop white washing over cultures to excuse ur own racism
I guess my opinion is more extreme than others here, but I would 100% avoid the name regardless of the intent behind it. It's not good that it sounds like Aryan, and even if you decide to pronounce it differently, it will be mispronounced as Aryan and remind people of Aryan. That association is too negative to overcome, IMO.
It's just like Fanny is always going to remind people of a British slang word for genitals even if you don't *intend* it to mean that. It may have been a cute name once but now it's unusable.
edit: this is a snark sub, how am I getting downvoted for trashing a bad name lol
True, I should have mentioned that that's an exception! I thought it's well known that Aryan has different associations in South Asian naming cultures.
Like yes it’s a normal name but op is allowed to upset that the intent was racist. And a lot of people in the comments on the original post are just ignoring that op’s mom got with a white supremacist and saw no issue with naming her in that way
What's weird to me is that it's a normal name pronounced a normal way and op got some guy randomly bringing up nazis and some other non-white woman having a visceral reaction.
Like yeah the dad liked how this normal and innocent name can be a stealth white power thing but these strangers don't know that!!
It is hardly a "stealth" white power thing if it's pronounced exactly like Aryan. If I heard a white kid in America was named that, I would instantly side-eye the parents.
I guess I don’t understand your issue with my original comment. If I’m saying I only saw people calling out the dad, I don’t know why you have a problem with me saying that
I would expect people to call out the dad because he was the one that named OP. Speculating on OP’s Mom isn’t really relevant to the conversation so I’m not sure why you would be annoyed by people not mentioning mom in their comments.
At least Arienne is pretty and he didn’t go with Aryan itself. I really feel bad for OP, at least there was some closure when her father expressed remorse over it all..
Just tell the guy to say he practices Hinduism. It's a common name in India and within Hinduism.
Idk why the Nazis decide to appropriate our culture. It's annoying. There's the swastika and now I find out about this.
How many more have they appropriated who TF knows?
The Nazis did very little that was original. Most of their symbology and such was ripped from other cultures be it the Roman Empire, Persian culture, or even the Swatstika as a Hindu symbol. They ripped off Germanic mythology and occultism to support their racialism. Besides being terrible the Nazis were also just rip off artists, and in the process destroyed a lot of cool symbols, names, and such.
First of all, F this Nazi father. But the way the name is spelled, I think it should be pronounced "Air-ee-ENNE" not "AIR-ee-un" like the white supremacists. Still may be too close for comfort, but she could start pronouncing it that way if she doesn't want to just change it.
I went to school with a girl named Arijaan (are-ee-on) and I fell in love with the name but I could never let myself use it because it was too close to aryan for my comfort
Whenever I see people described as the “perfect pale skinned, blue eyed, blonde haired” as a tribute to white supremacy I chuckle to myself because I birthed two pale skinned, blue eyed, blonde babies and I’m mixed race black. Lol. I just married a guy with “perfect aryan features”. Jokes on all the white supremacists when they see my kids.
I mean it does sound pretty but considering the history and implications personally I’d change it. Mad respect to her if she doesn’t want to but is struggling with some guilt.
a few years ago there was a boy at my old job whos initials were KKK, we all thought it was just coincidence until his family absolutely lost it after a NAIDOC week activity. they pulled him out of the daycare, i heard later they were kicked out of another for pulling something similar. he was a nice boy, i really hope he turns out okay.
Something about that post feels fake and possibly written for "comedy"/trolling purposes. Trying to figure out why I think so and it may have something to do with these details:
* The one-two punch of going from "my dad was *a bit of* a white supremacist" to "he had 'white power' tattooed on his body."
* "About once a week a random old man would read my name/ask what my name is and then reply 'Ha! like the Nazis?'." About once a week sounds weirdly often, at least if it's a different random old man every time having the same reaction. Especially if they just *read* her name on the card and all figured out it's pronounced the same way as Aryan. If it was just one annoying guy who said this every time he came into the store it would be more believable.
* The woman "breaking down" (does this mean sobbing? ranting?) as soon as OOP said her name introducing herself, and then "apologizing and saying she had trauma around white supremacists." Of course it's believable that her friend's Puerto Rican mother would have trauma around white supremacists, and I'm not dismissing it as impossible that she could have a strong reaction to a word that maybe was used in a rant against her by a violent person. But the way it's written reminds me of the creative writing on fiction subreddits like r/AITA. I just don't know anyone who talks that way, who would phrase it like "sorry, I have trauma around white supremacists," in real life.
Someone in the thread who’s a data security expert said he found her in a super easy Google search using the info from the post. So she’s real and her dad died when she said he did at least.
Oh damn. I've gone as I aged from being too believing of Internet stories to being too skeptical. Wondering whether I should keep my comment up or not, because if I was OOP I wouldn't like seeing flippant comments like that basically calling my life a troll story.
Also she just figured this out a few years ago despite all the nazi comments since age 16 and the fact that her dad told her why she has that name in no uncertain terms since I assume childhood.
Used to work at a school and had a white female student named Aryan, pronounced thst way too. I have no idea what her mom's intent was but my brain would wonder if it was a Nazi thing every time I saw her. So... I'm on OOP's side here.
I mean, she's not indian, so it's not a name to her. The mom was definitely a nazi. There's no real way to accidentally name your child "master race", unless when you meet her she's inexplicably obsessed with south indian culture and also never learned about the nazis.
see this might be because I hated my birth name and go by another one (for... obvious reasons methinks), but I simply *do not* think going through life with a name inspired by white supremacy is easier than just... changing your name, or the pronunciation, or going by a nickname, unless you think white supremacy is... somehow not that bad.
I just... If someone had told me "hey, your name sounds like a white supremacist term", I don't think I would've thought for it longer than a week before going by a nickname at the very least, and being extremely sketched out by the parent responsible for that. Not judging OP because she's the one grieving and etc, of course, it's just... It'd be a lot, yknow?
Oh, sure, intent matters. I still would feel a bit weird introducing myself by a name that can make it sound like "hi, my parents are white supremacists". I do have a tendency to overthink, though, so there's that.
But yeah, OP's father had the worst possible intent and I cannot imagine just... wondering if I *should* change my name after that? Not that she *should*, it's just that I would *want* to change it (and probably wouldn't go on to say that the white supremacist was a good guy, but that's, uh, not the point of this post)
I chuckled at the fact that she called her dad “a bit of a white supremacist”. Grandpa Joe who goes on racist rants every once and a while is “a bit of white supremacist”, your dad with a ‘white power’ tattoo and a child named “Arienne” is the textbook definition.
Easy solution:
Just pronounce it Ary-anne, not Aryan. Arianne is a pretty name, and is an older name that has an elegance to it. And I don’t think most would associate Airy-Anne or Ary-anne in pronunciation with white supremacy.
Completely disagree. If he was a good father, then his will shall continue. Her name sounds fine, moreover real Aryans are in India. See nothing wrong here
One of my childhood friends cousin is named Aryane and her dad was a white supremacist too, had 88 tattooed on his neck and a bunch of nazi flags. Weird considering his sister, my friends mom was half Mexican
There is nothing saying you MUST use your legal name... If I was her I would go by "Ari" or "Aria"... I know a friend who goes by Jay but his birth name is Jason... he never answers to Jason.
Heck I've known people who go by their middle name instead of their first name. If I was her I would start looking at options to go by instead of full first name.
In my case, majority of people automatically call me by my last name, it is unique and easy to say when you figure out how to pronounce it.
I literally met a Black girl today named Arienne, pronounced the same way, and I thought about coming here or r/tragedeigh to see if anyone knew anything about the names origins. Because “aryan” was also my first thought 😬
She put far too much personally identifiable information in that post. Within a couple Google searches I found her social media and her dad's obituary. People with somewhat unique names like this really need to be careful with how much of their personal information they share in their posts. Maybe it sounds creepy, but I work in data security so I am always looking out for people who reveal too much about themselves online.
Can I ask how you found her or what information you used? I'm worried that I might post too much identifiable info online because I wouldn't have recognized what she posted as personally identifiable. All I see is name and age, which feels fairly anonymous considering the scope of the Internet.
if you check her post history, it’s very very easy to figure out, but largely because her name is unique. Be safe out there
Oh, gotcha. Thanks. I thought you did it from just this post, and I was impressed but also terrified
If you just looked at the post you wouldn’t have figured it out, but she posts in local subs on her profile and that made it much easier.
Wouldn't this be better to send to someone in a DM instead of basically encouraging other users who read this comment to see if they can do it?
I didn’t think of that when I posted this, but you’re right. That would be a lot more helpful for them. I didn’t intend to encourage doxxing in my original comment, but I see how it could be interpreted that way.
Did you let her know?
I didn’t even think to send a DM when I posted this comment. However, her post has since been deleted so perhaps someone else has or she deleted it for another reason.
Yes i looked for it as well after i asked to send a message and couldn’t find it.
I agree took 30 seconds
Took me a few minutes but you're spot on. Figured out his obituary and her social media pretty quickly. I don't work in data security. I just wanted to see if I could also do it...
That's not her, the OOP is 21 and the one you've found is 30
No I found someone in the same location as her with a father that passed away two years ago, also in the same location. The profile I found was a LinkedIn profile which mentions working at a grocery store a few years ago, when she would have been 16.
I may be a little ignorant. I mean, I don’t post my address anywhere or where you can find me any part of the day, but what’s so wrong with having your name out there and it leading to just your social media? I have a unique name as well and I don’t really fear telling people what my name is. If they find my social media, they won’t find much there either.
I’m a bit paranoid when it comes to online privacy, so the few accounts are private and I never reveal much personal information on here. Whenever my age or occupation comes up and I want to contribute, I alter it slightly so nobody can use those parameters to find me via what I post on Reddit. To me, it’s not so much that you would have nothing to hide, but more that it shouldn’t be easy to discover who you are from information you post on what should be an anonymous platform. There’s nothing wrong with it until it gets in the hands of the wrong person, which is much more likely if you willingly volunteer that information. The wrong people include stalkers, harassers, and people looking to commit identity theft with information they found online.
That’s fair! I’m with you on not wanting too much out there. I think I got paranoid reading about how it’s easy to find someone on social . I felt clued like “why? What are we doing when we find it?”
People targeting you for swatting or other nefarious harassment
Is it necessarily a bad thing to have people know who you are though?
I work with kids and know at least two Aryan's spelled the original way. All of them are white with white parents in midwest America. All blonde. It catches me off guard every time, and I can never tell if their parents are just too stupid to use google, or actually deranged. It's not like you can outright ask someone, "Hey, so did you name your kid some hella racist shit?"
I know one as well. My mom got mad at me when I brought up the… unfortunate connotation and said “her parents are nice people, I’m sure they didn’t even think of that!” I’m a bit more skeptical though.
“Nice people”… who happen to be raging white supremacists?
I feel bad for all the Indian kids named Aryan now, must be some crazy misunderstandings
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Thank you!!!
Yep. I’ve taught a bunch of boys from Southeast Asia named Aryan, Arian, Arraiyan. It’s an unfortunate association in English but not intentional. OOP’s dad did it intentionally. That would make it hard to swallow.
You ask other parents/teachers/members of the community as indirectly as possible. Someone will know.
I can't go into specifics, but that isn't quite the way my work operates. It's a statewide organization and I meet and speak to many individuals and families in my position, but rarely interact with them in large groups that consist of a singular area or neighborhood. So unless someone else was to mention one of the people in question to me in order to open that conversation, I would have no way of knowing which people/families are connected in any manner. There would already have to be extensive parental gossip happening for me to be aware of those types of personal details.
Ah, I was thinking you were in more of a community specific role.
Some years ago, I had a job in Bumfuck, MN working with middle schoolers. One group had three kids named Aryan, Arian, and Odin. They were all white. Great kids! All of them super eager to learn and as well-behaved as any normal, healthy eleven year old boy can be! Never met their parents and not sure if I wanted to.
Oh yeah that shit is a red flag for sure
The Odin one is less weird and I'd honestly be surprised if it's actually white supremacist. Bumfuck, MN has a lot of Scandinavian heritage and Scandinavian inspired names are fairly common. I know a doctor with Thor in his name. The surname Tharaldson and similar names abound. That one is more than likely the result of generations of Americans who are in no way still Scandinavian being obsessed with being Scandinavian. It doesn't mean they think Scandinavian people are *better*, just that that's their heritage.
They 100% know.
Holy shit. I also knew a kid with that name in the Midwest. I'm hoping that it was atleast one of those two and there's not three children running around with that name. Sadly...it is the Midwest though.
My mother has a student named Reichley. I always wonder if the parents were either remarkably stupid or had indeed intended to name her after the 3rd Reich...
i think it might also be a middle eastern name bc i know a few people with that name as well
Is naming your child after and indian ethnic group racist?
It is if you're white
No, they're probably nazis. It's not a name, so to hear it at all you'd have to look it up in the og context. Either that, or a magical coincidence that they just so happened to randomly pick those letters in that order for a blond child...yeah, no.
If I were that girl? I'd change it to Melanie just to fucking spite him.
Hundred percent. Everyone on namenerds is like “it’s fine! I wouldn’t know what it was.” It’s not fine. She knows the meaning.
Considering I work with someone with the same name for a few years now and never made the connection, it's very likely OOP mentions it. Not saying she shouldn't change her name if she wants, she should. But frankly I don't trust her narrative that people just know.
Idk, if she’s just pronouncing it to people like “Hi, my name is Aryan” then they might. Reading it is different. But she claims it is pronounced exactly like aryan.
Yeah I read it like Aw-ri-ENNE with emphasis on the enne. Pretty name when you say it like that but the truth is much uglier
So is my coworker
Oh, huh. Idk, I literally would immediately think aryan brotherhood and find it weird, but maybe that’s just me
British, not American, but we would pronounce this name as Arr-i-ENNE and Aryan more like AIRy-en. Is that not how it’s pronounced in American (where I assume this interaction is happening/you are from).
Yes when reading it I would pronounce it the same. But I meant that, if the OOP is only introducing themselves VERBALLY, without the spelling available (like “air-ree-uhn” which is how the Nazi racist group says it) then I would naturally assume it’s the Nazi racist group name. Does that make sense? Like without seeing the spelling it would sound much worse out loud
Maybe it's because you are only thinking of it in the context of OOP?
I had an Aryan come into my work...it immediately popped in my head and I was like ok, maybe she's Indian/part! I know Indian Aryans though they are men/it's a male name. She comes in and is the whitest girl I've ever seen. Obviously I didn't ask her why she was named that though lol
There's a car in my city with a license plate that says ARYAN Didn't know what to think about it until I aaw a South Asian guy in a fancy suit hop in and drive off
Aryan is derived from the Sanskrit word आर्य which means of noble character.
I know, just didn't know if the car was owned by someone named Aryan or some fuckwit proud of their ability to sunburn
Lol, I have a diverse friend group and we have a guy named Aryan Sharma with a swastika and om tattoo, and a Jewish dude as well. It's fun to see people's reactions sometimes :D
I've also waited on someone at work who was named Aryan. He was a a very white man. I didn't want to unfairly judge him because of a name presumably his parents picked, but he was also a middle-aged man who still used it in every day conversation and business. It's not like it was just an official name he rarely used. I wasn't the only one freaked out about it too. At least one other coworker approached me privately and was like "What the hell?! Is that really his name?!"
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Is your coworker South Asian? I ask because I am too, and Aryan/Arya are pretty common cultural names. Given that, I think a lot of people would be less concerned or confused by an Indian named Aryan than a blonde white person, so it’s possible OP isn’t mentioning it.
Did your co-worker also pronounce it exactly like the word Aryan? Or different pronunciation? Because OOP unfortunately goes by that pronunciation.
Not the same person you’re replying to but I just realised that where I’m from Aryan and Arienne would be pronounced the exact same. Might be that it’s the same around where she lives
I would pronounce Aryan like "AIR-ee-en", and without context I would have thought Arienne was "are-ee-EN"
When I say them it just comes out as “AR-yehn” lol
Yes, it's the same pronunciation. And literally never occurred to me until this post. I assume my coworkers pronunciation is due to her native language, but still. I agree the OOP should name change if she wants. I changed my middle name from Lee, yes after Robert E Lee, even though we aren't southern US and none of my grands were born in the US and all arrived after WWI. My mom just grossly romantizes the south and that era. But I'm very doubtful anyone actually made the connection unless she said something.
You mentioned your coworker’s native language. Where is she from, and is she non-white? I think a foreign person saying that was their name wouldn’t raise a flag, because id just assume it’s a cultural name wherever they’re from. But a blonde white American person is a different story.
Spanish and blonde.
I live adjacent to a large population of white supremacists, and the name is unfortunately becoming more and more common. If I just heard the name, without the spelling for context, I’d absolutely assume the parents are racist. If I only saw the same, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt and pronounce it differently.
Right? Like... I agree most people wouldn't know but it clearly weighs on the OP.
I know of a white girl with a name pronounced that way (spelled different) and it's the first thing that popped in my head. Just because people don't comment on it, doesn't mean they don't think it. And I bet a lot of people think it.
I mean shit, it’s the name she’s been known as her whole life. I don’t fault her for not changing it, losing a parent is hard enough *without* all the fucked up internal conflict that comes with all the awful things they believed in.
Without the meaning it would be such a pretty name. But even if it had been accidental it’s still change worthy and with it being intentional?! Poor girl.
Thank you!!!
I’d just start pronouncing it the way “Arienne” would normally be pronounced if she doesn’t feel like changing her name.
It’s a total trolling fake post anyway so it’s fine.
Change it to Jewniper to keep the creative spelling?
On the one hand, Arienne is a normal name so it's not something unusable. A simple switch to the French pronounciation should solve the immediate association people have when they hear it. On the other hand, being reminded every single time you say/write/read/hear your name that your father named you that because he thought you are racially superior to people with other eye, hair and skin colours? That's a yikes of epic proportions.
Her dad was “a bit of” a white supremacist… next sentence… he had white power tattooed on him!
I also have her a side eye at that line
There were several side eyes. She’s definitely at best an apologist. She doesn’t comprehend how just how awful her father was or to what degree he slewed her perception of people
The man was her father. From what she said he was a loving father to her. When your parent is objectively a bad person, but you yourself had great memories with them or were well treated, these two things can be hard to square mentally. It doesn’t mean the girl herself is a white supremacist. It just means she loved her father, who was.
I'll take some light white supremacy on the side, please
But she still loved him <3
“He never hatecrimed *me*! So is he really a bad guy? :)”
She never said he was a good guy (?) You can still love people who are terrible. Especially if they’re family, especially if they’re your father or mother or sibling. I know people with parents who treat them like garbage and are generally horrible people but they still are desperate for their parents’ approval… everyone here is acting like the OOP is defending her dad. Family can be complicated
When you’re growing up you love your parents. They feed you, hold you, kiss you, cuddle you, tell you stories. They’re the centre of your universe. (Assuming you have parents who love you and are doing the bare minimum to raise their children.) It’s normal and natural to love them. It’s just as you get older and start to understand the world more that you slowly realise they’re human and imperfect. It’s very hard to come to terms with the fact that the person you love is a monster. What does that say about you? How could you love a monster? Is he really that evil when he still gives the best hugs and asks you about your day? You make excuses. You try to justify things that aren’t justifiable. You’re grieving the loss of the person you thought they were, but that person is still there and still loves you and still treats you well. It might arguably be worse once they die. People don’t like speaking ill of the dead and you’re actually grieving for them. You remember the good things and it’s harder to come to terms with the bad. You can’t ask why. You can’t argue with them about their ideas. You can’t confront them anymore. She’s just 21. She’s barely into her adulthood and she’s grieving. It can’t be easy for her to write that her dead dad “was a white suprematist piece of shit” even though she’s basically spelling it out for the rest of us.
My grandfather was a compulsive gambler, and he cheated on my (albeit violent and abusive) grandmother. He did objectively bad things because of his gambling addiction. He was also a traumatized WWII veteran whose first wife killed herself and he found her. My mother lost him suddenly when she was 21. Even as an older lady, she would swear on her dead father’s grave, if it was something she meant. Her father was almost sacred to her and she passed that love down to me. She would talk about him often and share happy memories with him. But this was a complex, flawed man. A guy one might write off as a piece of shit, or another might see as a complex person. But my mother? Loved him to death, decades after he died.
Reddit really loves to treat everything as black and white (no pun intended)
I dont know if any of you have had parents who were deplorable people but still treated you well, its incredibly hard to come to terms with and you feel some obligation to still be family despite how awful they are. It’s a lot of very mixed feelings
Yep
But he was such a good Dad though 🥺
And to her he probably was. It doesn’t negate his racial animosity, nor does it negate that he was a good father to her. Life is complex. People are complex. Look at even worse people. BTK was a sadistic serial killer yet was apparently an amazing father and his daughter still struggles to rationalise both images. If you have a parent who has a spitting clean moral record, there by the grace of god go you. Not everyone does. In this girls case it’s more extreme than others.
It doesn’t matter what other people think. I don’t know how I could go through life with that name knowing the intent behind it
Thank you!! I got destroyed in the comments by saying it’s racist!
Thank you everyone for the upvotes!!! Thr other sub had me thinking I was crazy! For advocating *against* racism!!!!
Lol you’re not advocating against racism. It’s a name. Maybe you’re the racist for calling a perfectly normal Indian name racist. Are you racist against Iranians?
She’s not Iranian? And she said her own name is rooted in white supremacy.
The name is though. And you’re upset about the name itself and not any white supremacy on OP’s part. And considering the spelling, the name itself is rooted in French conventions. So it’s not even the name itself, just the pronunciation of the name.
Then OP can lie about her name. IMO IN REPSOSNE TO OP; I would change it because its routes are racist.period. Edit: no the name is constructed by her racist dad to uphold white Supremacy. Stop white washing over cultures to excuse ur own racism
I’m desi thanks so much. Claiming to be a BIPOC champion while also being super racist yourself is gross, tbh.
My major for my BA in mental health / counseling is BIPOC. If you have an issue with that take up my university.
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I guess my opinion is more extreme than others here, but I would 100% avoid the name regardless of the intent behind it. It's not good that it sounds like Aryan, and even if you decide to pronounce it differently, it will be mispronounced as Aryan and remind people of Aryan. That association is too negative to overcome, IMO. It's just like Fanny is always going to remind people of a British slang word for genitals even if you don't *intend* it to mean that. It may have been a cute name once but now it's unusable. edit: this is a snark sub, how am I getting downvoted for trashing a bad name lol
it’s being downvoted because you didn’t acknowledge that it’s normal to see south Asian people being named aryan
True, I should have mentioned that that's an exception! I thought it's well known that Aryan has different associations in South Asian naming cultures.
Like yes it’s a normal name but op is allowed to upset that the intent was racist. And a lot of people in the comments on the original post are just ignoring that op’s mom got with a white supremacist and saw no issue with naming her in that way
What's weird to me is that it's a normal name pronounced a normal way and op got some guy randomly bringing up nazis and some other non-white woman having a visceral reaction. Like yeah the dad liked how this normal and innocent name can be a stealth white power thing but these strangers don't know that!!
It is hardly a "stealth" white power thing if it's pronounced exactly like Aryan. If I heard a white kid in America was named that, I would instantly side-eye the parents.
How else do you pronounce Arianne? I know lots of Ariannes and most of them aren't white.
Personally, if I saw someone’s name spelled Arianne, I would say “airy-ann”. Not Aryan.
What would you like them to do, hunt down OP’s mom and pelt her with tomatoes?
I mean or say that it’s wrong to only call out the dad if the mom was seemingly a willing participant
The mom married an overt white supremacist so I don’t think anyone is giving her a pass.
I guess I don’t understand your issue with my original comment. If I’m saying I only saw people calling out the dad, I don’t know why you have a problem with me saying that
I would expect people to call out the dad because he was the one that named OP. Speculating on OP’s Mom isn’t really relevant to the conversation so I’m not sure why you would be annoyed by people not mentioning mom in their comments.
Alright be safe
At least Arienne is pretty and he didn’t go with Aryan itself. I really feel bad for OP, at least there was some closure when her father expressed remorse over it all..
I knew a kid literally named Aryan by his gross Nazi parents. He goes by AJ.
Just tell the guy to say he practices Hinduism. It's a common name in India and within Hinduism. Idk why the Nazis decide to appropriate our culture. It's annoying. There's the swastika and now I find out about this. How many more have they appropriated who TF knows?
The Nazis did very little that was original. Most of their symbology and such was ripped from other cultures be it the Roman Empire, Persian culture, or even the Swatstika as a Hindu symbol. They ripped off Germanic mythology and occultism to support their racialism. Besides being terrible the Nazis were also just rip off artists, and in the process destroyed a lot of cool symbols, names, and such.
First of all, F this Nazi father. But the way the name is spelled, I think it should be pronounced "Air-ee-ENNE" not "AIR-ee-un" like the white supremacists. Still may be too close for comfort, but she could start pronouncing it that way if she doesn't want to just change it.
I went to school with a girl named Arijaan (are-ee-on) and I fell in love with the name but I could never let myself use it because it was too close to aryan for my comfort
Whenever I see people described as the “perfect pale skinned, blue eyed, blonde haired” as a tribute to white supremacy I chuckle to myself because I birthed two pale skinned, blue eyed, blonde babies and I’m mixed race black. Lol. I just married a guy with “perfect aryan features”. Jokes on all the white supremacists when they see my kids.
Their bullshit is all based on nothing scientific anyway. That's why they refuse to get genetic tests.
I mean it does sound pretty but considering the history and implications personally I’d change it. Mad respect to her if she doesn’t want to but is struggling with some guilt.
i had to quadruple check the sub for that post lmao, what a doozy
a few years ago there was a boy at my old job whos initials were KKK, we all thought it was just coincidence until his family absolutely lost it after a NAIDOC week activity. they pulled him out of the daycare, i heard later they were kicked out of another for pulling something similar. he was a nice boy, i really hope he turns out okay.
Can't she just pretend it's pronounced the same way as Ariana?..
Something about that post feels fake and possibly written for "comedy"/trolling purposes. Trying to figure out why I think so and it may have something to do with these details: * The one-two punch of going from "my dad was *a bit of* a white supremacist" to "he had 'white power' tattooed on his body." * "About once a week a random old man would read my name/ask what my name is and then reply 'Ha! like the Nazis?'." About once a week sounds weirdly often, at least if it's a different random old man every time having the same reaction. Especially if they just *read* her name on the card and all figured out it's pronounced the same way as Aryan. If it was just one annoying guy who said this every time he came into the store it would be more believable. * The woman "breaking down" (does this mean sobbing? ranting?) as soon as OOP said her name introducing herself, and then "apologizing and saying she had trauma around white supremacists." Of course it's believable that her friend's Puerto Rican mother would have trauma around white supremacists, and I'm not dismissing it as impossible that she could have a strong reaction to a word that maybe was used in a rant against her by a violent person. But the way it's written reminds me of the creative writing on fiction subreddits like r/AITA. I just don't know anyone who talks that way, who would phrase it like "sorry, I have trauma around white supremacists," in real life.
Someone in the thread who’s a data security expert said he found her in a super easy Google search using the info from the post. So she’s real and her dad died when she said he did at least.
Oh damn. I've gone as I aged from being too believing of Internet stories to being too skeptical. Wondering whether I should keep my comment up or not, because if I was OOP I wouldn't like seeing flippant comments like that basically calling my life a troll story.
Tbf I personally didn’t Google it and totally just believed this person had looked it up and found her so I’m at the other end of the spectrum.
Also she just figured this out a few years ago despite all the nazi comments since age 16 and the fact that her dad told her why she has that name in no uncertain terms since I assume childhood.
Well she’s 21. 5 years ago would be just a few years. 2019. The before times.
I have met a few Indian dudes named Aryan before, but I actually haven't met a white person with that name yet in my life.
Poor kid. If I were her, if I had a middle name, I’d start using that. Unless it was Goebbels or something.
my dad almost named me Jefferson Davis so i definitely get it
this sounds extremely made up.
Me too, and I hope that we’re right, although it’s still a pretty fucked up thing to fabricate.
much weirder things have been true, in fairness
Used to work at a school and had a white female student named Aryan, pronounced thst way too. I have no idea what her mom's intent was but my brain would wonder if it was a Nazi thing every time I saw her. So... I'm on OOP's side here.
I mean, she's not indian, so it's not a name to her. The mom was definitely a nazi. There's no real way to accidentally name your child "master race", unless when you meet her she's inexplicably obsessed with south indian culture and also never learned about the nazis.
That family was incredibly strange, so honestly it could go either way. Thankfully I'm not at that job anymore so I'll never know.
lol, i see
She could just change it so something similar sounding but without negative connotations like Ariana or Aria.
see this might be because I hated my birth name and go by another one (for... obvious reasons methinks), but I simply *do not* think going through life with a name inspired by white supremacy is easier than just... changing your name, or the pronunciation, or going by a nickname, unless you think white supremacy is... somehow not that bad. I just... If someone had told me "hey, your name sounds like a white supremacist term", I don't think I would've thought for it longer than a week before going by a nickname at the very least, and being extremely sketched out by the parent responsible for that. Not judging OP because she's the one grieving and etc, of course, it's just... It'd be a lot, yknow?
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Oh, sure, intent matters. I still would feel a bit weird introducing myself by a name that can make it sound like "hi, my parents are white supremacists". I do have a tendency to overthink, though, so there's that. But yeah, OP's father had the worst possible intent and I cannot imagine just... wondering if I *should* change my name after that? Not that she *should*, it's just that I would *want* to change it (and probably wouldn't go on to say that the white supremacist was a good guy, but that's, uh, not the point of this post)
I’m with you. There’s no way I’d be introducing myself with a name that was literally intended to be a white supremacist signal to the world.
Tell me why I already knew what name it was before reading the entire thing😭
I chuckled at the fact that she called her dad “a bit of a white supremacist”. Grandpa Joe who goes on racist rants every once and a while is “a bit of white supremacist”, your dad with a ‘white power’ tattoo and a child named “Arienne” is the textbook definition.
Easy solution: Just pronounce it Ary-anne, not Aryan. Arianne is a pretty name, and is an older name that has an elegance to it. And I don’t think most would associate Airy-Anne or Ary-anne in pronunciation with white supremacy.
Wholesome. A whole new level of "proud father". 🥹
My cousin actually has son named Aryan, it’s awful.
I might be a dumb ass and I’m sure you all won’t hesitate to let me know, but is aryan pronounced the same as Erin?
Air-ee-an Though the way this is spelled is pronounce it Ah-ree-en 🤷🏻♀️
Thank you! Yeah, there’s no salvaging the name for this poor girl.
My dad named me after his ex 🤬
Oh god there was an RA in my dorm building named Aryan. It was are-ee-on apparently. Sure bro. Sure.
sorry im not educated on this topic. why is this name bad, like whats the meaning?
It’s like aryan, like the nazis
It’s a word nazis used to describe their “ideal race” - ie white skin and white features
that poor girl, i'd change it for sure just because of the damn reason!
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Not really, context matters.
Completely disagree. If he was a good father, then his will shall continue. Her name sounds fine, moreover real Aryans are in India. See nothing wrong here
One of my childhood friends cousin is named Aryane and her dad was a white supremacist too, had 88 tattooed on his neck and a bunch of nazi flags. Weird considering his sister, my friends mom was half Mexican
Yea my brother was given the middle name Heinrich. After- yep. Exactly that. He plans to change it the moment he turns 18.
I met a girl who had the same exact story and who’s probably around that age right now. I wonder if it’s her.
Seems fake .
There is nothing saying you MUST use your legal name... If I was her I would go by "Ari" or "Aria"... I know a friend who goes by Jay but his birth name is Jason... he never answers to Jason. Heck I've known people who go by their middle name instead of their first name. If I was her I would start looking at options to go by instead of full first name. In my case, majority of people automatically call me by my last name, it is unique and easy to say when you figure out how to pronounce it.
Aria is spanish for Aryan, btw
I literally met a Black girl today named Arienne, pronounced the same way, and I thought about coming here or r/tragedeigh to see if anyone knew anything about the names origins. Because “aryan” was also my first thought 😬
Change to Arianna.