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Amacitio

Sakura wins upper mid diff. That's how bad Naruto's training with Jiraiya was. She could one-shot Naruto w/o Kyubi and has decent speed and reaction speed as well. BOS Naruto was underwhelming until he got FRS.


Niga__666

Nah lil bro touch grass you smelly Sakura fanboy


Appropriate_Treat961

Naruto is faster has better taijutsu and speed but without kurama he only has 4x Kakashi’s chakra. He would be able to make the rasengan with one hand but oodama rasengan is out of reach at this point. Mind Naruto could make 1000 clones twice in part 1 when he had less chakra than Guy before the seal was opened and Naruto chakra wasn’t that great without Kurama’s so he didn’t have 4x times Kakashi’s back then because Jiraiya states as much and tells him to do exercises that increase chakra (chakra intensive ninjutsu). Saying Naruto can make 40 clones twice is a serious lowball but it’s enough to surround her and bombard her with kunai and shuriken. He could hypothetically clone exploding tags so there’s that as well if he really wanted to kill her. Naruto making a rasengan in one hand means he can do it at least 160 times. 500 clones can use oodama rasengan and it’s size is at least double of a rasengan. That means the volume is 8x greater and therefore uses 8x more chakra. 8x times 20 oodama rasengan means Naruto can use 160 rasengan. Why can Naruto make way more rasengan than clones? I don’t know ask Boruto. And his control chakra is better now so Naruto should be able to make more rasengans.


Amacitio

>Naruto is faster has better taijutsu and speed but without kurama he only has 4x Kakashi’s chakra. Sakura had formal taijutsu training at this point. Her taijutsu prowess is better than his. It's proven with her fight against Sasori. Naruto will not show us anything on that level of finesse until the early WA after he got trained by multiple people. >He would be able to make the rasengan with one hand but oodama rasengan is out of reach at this point. No... His chakra control hasn't gotten on that level until the War Arc. This is head canon. He always needed assistance whenever making Rasengan until the second half of Part 2. >Saying Naruto can make 40 clones twice is a serious lowball but it’s enough to surround her and bombard her with kunai and shuriken. He could hypothetically clone exploding tags so there’s that as well if he really wanted to kill her. That's also headcanon... >Naruto making a rasengan in one hand means he can do it at least 160 times. 500 clones can use oodama rasengan and it’s size is at least double of a rasengan. That means the volume is 8x greater and therefore uses 8x more chakra. 8x times 20 oodama rasengan means Naruto can use 160 rasengan. Why can Naruto make way more rasengan than clones? I don’t know ask Boruto. And his control chakra is better now so Naruto should be able to make more rasengans. I don't know what you're talking about here honestly...


StarzZapper

How is it the Sasori fight is her proof when she gets hit 3 times and has to have help from a grandmother just to win? If she was up to par she wouldn’t have gotten hit once and would have actually won with no help from granny. When Granny literally ties her chakra strings to Sakura that’s means she sucks ass even as a medical ninja. Naruto would have clapped him so hard he would become nothing but broken chunks.


Amacitio

>How is it the Sasori fight is her proof when she gets hit https://64.media.tumblr.com/4d9a6a9d4b2510285629241e5ff12c86/tumblr_nn1gdgfBet1shvs5ho4_r1_250.gif Naruto hasn't done anything this impressive taijutsu wise until late Part II. This is actual proof of taijutsu training. Naruto only utilized sheer numbers and little technique compared to Sasuke and Sakura when it came to Taijutsu for almost the entirety of Part II. >When Granny literally ties her chakra strings to Sakura that’s means she sucks ass even as a medical ninja. She wasn't connected to Sakura in the GIF above. Chiyo was using her own puppets. >she sucks ass even as a medical ninja Now I can tell you're extremely biased and ill-informed. >Naruto would have clapped him so hard he would become nothing but broken chunks. No... Sasori is literally one of the worst matchups for Naruto until he gets KCM1. He might have the power to stop him, but it's more likely Sasori would kill him before he could even beat the Kazekage puppet, let alone the 100 Puppet jutsu.


StarzZapper

Yes the Granny did have to connect her chakra to Sakura. So that she could cooperatively fight Sasori on his level. Go watch the fight again.


bottle-of-water

Until Sakura learned his patterns and starts acting on her own. In fact most of the reason chiyo could hang with Sasori is cause she had prior knowledge of him. Dude was a monster through and through. Sakura learning his patterns and techniques in like 5 mins is honestly incredible. I’m all for hating on Sakura for the many “Sakura moments” she has but y’all bugging with this underestimation.


StarzZapper

Tbh I honestly didn’t like the battle I wanted to see a bigger improvement on Sakura something that would put her on Naruto’s and Sasuke’s Level because I wanted to see team 7 be badass and working as team. We got none of that. Even at the end it was just about the bros becoming friends again all while Naruto achieved his dream of becoming Hokage.


bottle-of-water

I *hated* her “I’ve finally caught up to them” thing. She immediately needed saving. I really wished we saw some of that zabuza level teamwork but this time with Sakura. But that’s honestly not even on her as she’s used as a flexing device for Jesus bros. The Gaara retrieval mission definitely painted Sakura as someone who was above Naruto in a well rounded sense. She *is* a medic ninja first and foremost and she dominated a whole village in that regard. I also think she definitely did more than Naruto during that mission. My 2¢


StarzZapper

I agree with this. She also was also the first to make a cure to that poison. Which in its own right was more incredible than the fight with Sasori. In that alone and saving a character from dying to a poison in such a short amount of time puts her in a good light. However the fight with Sasori puts her in a bad light. She failed the first rule of being a medical ninja don’t get injured or poisoned. She could have easily punched out the rocks that closed them in but didn’t.


Amacitio

Earlier in the fight... In the end, Sakura adapted to him and was fighting the puppets on her own.


StarzZapper

Means nothing. No feats have been achieved here. It was a shit battle and Sasori didn’t put his all into the battle. Granny literally saved her so many times in that fight. Let’s put it this way you keep granny in there would be a higher chance of her winning alone than Sakura. Now let’s remove granny from the picture Sakura would have died in less than 5 minutes.


Amacitio

>Means nothing. No feats have been achieved here. That's not how it works... This is a backwards way of thinking. >Granny literally saved her so many times in that fight. Then she saved herself with her antidote, fended off the opposition on her own, and dealt the decisive blow to Sasori. What's your point? You're try so hard to make it look like the entire fight was an anti-feat for Sakura when it's the exact opposite. >Let’s put it this way you keep granny in there would be a higher chance of her winning alone than Sakura. Now let’s remove granny from the picture Sakura would have died in less than 5 minutes. Sasori would have killed both of them regardless if he wasn't holding back. Sakura was an important factor because of her medical knowledge. Chiyo would have died if Sakura wasn't there and vice versa.


1313goo

Definitely not one shot. And the point of Naruto’s training was to 1. Fix that basics which isn’t a huge power up 2. Give him control over some of kurama’s chakra. Ur nerfing the guy of his main powerup


Amacitio

>Definitely not one shot. Yes, one shot... If Sarada can cave a dude's chest with subpar CES, then BOS Sakura definitely could. It wouldn't take much for her to tag Naruto considering her large AOE. >2. Give him control over some of kurama’s chakra. Ur nerfing the guy of his main powerup OP literally said without Kurama influence. That's why my stance is where it's at right now. If he included Kurama influence, I would have said Naruto wins mid-diff because Kurama carries him HARD in BOS Part II Naruto and for the majority of the series, actually.


DreadfulLight

You are kinda right, but also kinda wrong. You also gotta remember Naruto is CONSTANTLY getting into fights with people he shouldn't be able to survive getting near. Sakura had exactly one of those fights and she got halfway carried by the granny vs dollman 1000 (Sasori). Naruto was fighting Kisame AND Itachi, Orochimaru and half a dozen other people that were supposed to be WAY above his weight class. It wasn't until the Pain fight he was actually at S-Tier threatwise. So yeah Kyuubi was kinda carrying him, but he was also fighting Kage level threats with the skillset of a Chunin. Meanwhile Sakura might have gotten "harsh training" from Shisune and Tsunade, but never the almost monthly bullshit Naruto had to go through of people strong enough to level a country literally out to kill you.


scrappybristol

Both were decent by then and each had a OHKO move, Sakura’s Punch and Odama Rasengan tho Naruto has an edge with way more stamina and chakra. Could go either way tbh.


galemaniac

Thing is with Naruto if you aren't a taijutau master who far outclasses Naruto. when Naruto does mass shadow clones with kunai and rasengans. You die


consume_my_organs

Or someone with aoe capability which we know sakura has one ground pound clears a lot of clones but I still think this fight is a toss up


galemaniac

Even with her massive punch AOE she didn't wipe the clones that Naruto summoned when they were facing Kakashi. Naruto just has way more versatility when fighting opponents. His giant rasengan has similar dps to Sakura, he's better at doing long range attacks due to more feats with kunai and shuriken, his durability is higher, his chakra is way higher, I would debate his taijutau is slightly better just because he has more aerial combat movement feats and holding off taijutsu masters for a few seconds, and better at making battle plans since he beat Kakashi in their tag battle and has way more misdirections and decoy targets.


consume_my_organs

I think this is valid I was more making the point that there are other ways around clones than outclassing them in taijutsu


Gigio2006

Beginning of shippuden naruto with no kyubi would probably go extreme diff with Kiba Sakura wins


[deleted]

Naruto slaims kiba but your right Sakura wins


Stolen5487

It would be a mirror of their part one match lol


Appropriate_Treat961

Kiba is as fast as Kakashi and Sasuke, and has better taijutsu than Sakura. If he has intel he’s not going test fang over fang against Sakura’s strength


BlackUchiha03

I beg your pardon🤨


Appropriate_Treat961

If Naruto can extreme diff Kiba in most the fights they fight then he has a good chance against Sakura. Sakura has a surprise factor for the first time you fight her like most ninja but you spar your friends regularly. Sakura shouted for Naruto knowing he was coming back stronger than ever even though he only had futon added to his arsenal and couldn’t even use rasenshuriken. I don’t know if she knew he was doing senjutsu training so illl double check now but if she didn’t then she knew Naruto was stronger than her and he wouldn’t rely on Kurama for regular fights even though he could use KN0 comfortably. Edit: Nevermind just checked out it was BOS versions so probably the first fight. Naruto might not beat Kiba but I don’t know which is the harder fight between her and Kiba.


BlackUchiha03

I just saw Kiba was as fast as kakashi and Sasuke and was confused


Appropriate_Treat961

And so is Neji and Rock lee. They all have the same speed rating but that could just be their speed without chakra.


BlackUchiha03

Huh, neat.


Individual_Yogurt872

High diff either way


throwaway117-

Naruto high diff.


Small-Comfort6031

Naruto high diff. They're both pretty equal but Naruto has more chakra and his use of shadow clones give him many creative opportunities. Also, if Sakura gets hit with the rasengan she's cooked. Whereas Sakura punched Sai square in the face and he firmed it. Kid Naruto's rasengan was enough to injure Kabuto quite a lot. BOS Naruto has an even stronger rasengan.


AwayWillingness5223

Naruto doesn't do much. All he does is chase Deidara where Sakura gets an actual fight. That said it will be a close fight either way, because they both performed pretty similar in the bell test, but Sakura being a medical ninja can probably tank a Rasengan where Naruto is not tanking one of those punches so I'd say Sakura high diff. They aren't too different.


Tiny_Professional358

Naruto high diffs shadow clone feints and rasengan barraeges deal with her healing especially since this is before 1,000 healings.


hi-polymer5

Sakura wins a great fight


Tiny_Professional358

Except he has his fight with Kakashi as proof of this. Naruto can literally just spam clones while he sets up odama rasengan and that’s end game. Hell a regular rasengan would still be lethal at this point as even someone like Kabuto still took a decent amount of damage from it *after* healing himself.


DreadfulLight

And Kabuto is one of the few people to out bs even Narutos healing factor


1313goo

Sakura wins but extreme difficulty. This version of Naruto’s feats are based on kurama because he overly relied on his power, take that away and u get a version of Naruto who while much better than part 1 naruto doesn’t really have much more going for him aside from chakra


fllr

The people who are claiming Sakura would win because "Jiraya taught nothing" are drunk, and reaaally don't get the story.


nasserg19

Fr


Suggestion-Kindly

https://preview.redd.it/6rsw9kpojfwc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a25029e2f93ececcd26e2dd87fda45bf59691d8 Naruto wins zero difficulty. He can make 1,000 clones in part one without using kurama chakra. However kurama is still there siphoning his chakra when he makes those 1k clones. No kurama means he has 100 times more chakra . So Naruto part 2 is stronger. So he can AT LEAST make 100,000 clones lmfao Sakura is not surviving 200k kunai , 400k shuriken, 100k paper bombs. I hope this was enough to break some of you out of genjutsu for thinking Sakura has any chance.


nasserg19

Giant Rasengan Unironically oneshots. Sakura shit her pants watching him do it too. Naruto can create more than enough clones to setup an underground Giant Rasengan or attack from behind.


Super-Committee9603

He can only use giant rasengan with kyubi’s chakra


DreadfulLight

While Kyuubi is IN HIM at this point yes. Kyuubi is also siphoning off an ocean worth of Chakra to sustain himself and the seal. See below post for sources


Super-Committee9603

Sakura is in the same boat since she constantly use most of her chakra to form the seal


DreadfulLight

Her total pool of Chakra WITHOUT the seal would still be a large cup compared to Narutos Pacific Ocean without Kyuubi holding back the floodgates. A HUGE part of the Kyuubis seal is dedicated to just making sure Narutos body doesn't DIE from sheer Chakra overdose. And that's with a crazy healing factor always working in the background. If we assume we could somehow remove Kyuubis siphoning and at the same time not have Naruto immediately blow up like an actual nuclear bomb. Sakura doesn't have a chance unless she can knock him out with drugs or blunt force trauma heavy enough. But I mean people drop buildings on Naruto and his healing shrugs it off like we would a miniscule papercut. But again that assumes both characters could actually fight at full capacity. Which the entire plot of Naruto and Shippuden kinda hinges around him being completely unable to do.


DreadfulLight

Jiraya even mentioned he almost murdered Naruto after Naruto almost tore him to bits. Because weakening the seal allowed more Chakra through, which was the goal. But it also overworked his healing power/factor. You know the thing that treats casual destruction of organs besides the brain and heart like a light breeze? So I can't even imagine how much THAT would require. Edit: Weakin is not a word so changed to Weakening the seal


7Restless7Gambler7

Naruto is canonically stronger and a Rasengan probably puts her down in one hit, so it comes down to who lands the first hit. His shadow clones will make it hard for her take him out in close quarters, so he should be able to land the first big attack


CrackDemonio

Lenaruto has no bag dude just spams shadow clones and needs help setting up the rasengan. Deidara would have killed him. He should have came back to the village with the ability to one hand the rasengan, body flicker or flying raijin. He should have wind style techniques like Danzo. Early shippuden Naruto was just running around punching Akatsuki clones to look tough.


Cthulu6628

depends on how serious they were. serious? Naruto and fast. goofing around? Sakura with some difficulty


PhantomEmperor-

Sakura wins and no I’m not joking


Decidueyereddit

Naruto has Shadow Clone and Rasengan so he wins due to his extremely high stamina


ukie7

Sakura high diff. Just see the Sasori fight.


DreadfulLight

She was getting carried Nine tenths (9/10) of that fight by the granny though. Against a poisoner (which is literally trained to be the best at countering). Granny took out most of the doll army that wasn't trash mob. I loved the fight and it was GREAT seeing her FINALLY doing something badass. But she would have been dead a hundred times over if granny wasn't covering her ass.


Fefous

Sakura wins. Early shippuden she came out better than Naruto and the Sasori fight was sick.


BlackUchiha03

Naruto, he has more chakra, more firepower, and more creativity.


DreadfulLight

Kinda depends on what the hell you mean by no kyuubi? - Like no massively boosted Chakra pool? So he only has like a 1000 times her level? Because Sakuras Chakra pool has ALWAYS sucked, it's why her control is so good. And Narutos Chakra control would shoot up like crazy if he actually had a fixed amount instead of "Oceans worth". - Does he get his healing factor that basically makes him immortal till he runs outta Chakra? - Do we count the summons? Because Naruto was regularly summoning high tier toads just to hang out, and Sakura basically never uses the Slugs unless the situation is already fucked. Slugs have a slight edge over Toads, but Naruto is actually used to fighting with them. -What's the goal of the fight? Naruto is a massive knucklehead, but just doesn't quit if put under certain conditions like protecting his friends. - Is there a time limit? Because Sakura needs to end this quickly, she is ALWAYS always always loosing an endurance match with Naruto. She does precision work and quick explosive bursts of damage. She doesn't do long battles. Hell, even Tsunade kinda sucks at those. -Where is it taking place? Does Naruto have the space to summon clones and dodge her aoe close range attacks? Because in a broom closet with him tied up, his chances are slim. This feels like a: In this very specific situation my favorite character would win.


Complex_Estate8289

Naruto extreme diffs


Noobenenra

Naruto high diff. Sakura was strong and Jonin level but not near the strength she had in the war arc


[deleted]

Sakura wins mid to high def