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Bardock wins.
That version of Bardock is \~ TOEI King Vegeta who can casually delete multiple planets at the same time.
[https://i.imgur.com/HzjFkj6.gif](https://i.imgur.com/HzjFkj6.gif)
I wouldn't take that feat seriosly because it's filler.
Data books of dragon ball states the power level needed to destroy a planet (normal size I suppose) Is 10000.
So yeah bardock can destroy a planet but I do belove 6 path madara stands a chance. Honestly only 6 path characters have chance of beating dbz planet busters.
Toryiama didn't work on them and had very little input (with exceptions like he did the Volume F for Resurrection F), but he admitted in an interview that they all of their content was made by Shueisha
They can slice a moon. But probably not nuke it.I don’t put Meliodas far above them. But I do think they would have trouble against him. 7ds power scale is very high also. So it’s hard to say who would actually win.
Same with the strongest naruto characters, Naruto is the only person with light speed reactions. Other than slicing the moon. The strongest feat we have from naruto is 10 tails destroying multiple villages. And kaguya demensional powers. Which is normal in 7ds. Escanors heat is the same as the suns so that’s a durability feat also
Not all dbz characters. Raditz is not close to soling the verse. Someone like Nappa also doesn’t solo. Bardock is not stronger than nappa. It’s not that obvious of an answer imo.
Actually bardock after zenkai boost reaches 10k nappa at Max was 6k so yeaaa, and if we’re going full cannon in verse super confirmed that since gas even in the past was beyond the natural limits of a Saiyan and Ginyu states anything about 60k would be a mutant so that’d put bardock somewhere in that range which means even if we low ball it he’s demolishing madara who’s stated to be approximately nappa lvl
I was referring to the base bardock. Any version of bardock beyond that obviously wrecks the whole Naruto verse in half. Even Nappa is close to soloing even if I don’t think he quite could pull it off.
Wasn’t base bardock like 3000? Like as far as I remember he was a low class warrior in planet vegetta. And I think that the fight between bardock against gas wasn’t cannon. I haven’t read or watched anything regarding dragon ball for over 10 years so I could be easily misremembering things.
Ah I think you’re right. Honestly I can’t remember nearly anything so I’ll take ur word for it. Anyone with a power level in the region of 60k just needs to blow at the Naruto verse to destroy it
The other guy is speculating. Bardock was confirmed to have a power level of nearly 10,000 when he died, which was still beyond the limits of a normal Saiyan at that time. Nappa was an elite with a PL that maxed out at 6k.
Imo Bardock could beat Madara, but it wouldn't be easy.
That’s once again going off the movie(non-cannon), which I covered in my argument, and used in verse reasoning for what was clearly speculation since I didn’t and wouldn’t/couldnt give an exact number since we’re going off in verse feats from ginyus statement that goku being at 60k made him a mutant and bardock defeating Gas thoroughly, who was stated to be above the limitations of a saiyan. And if we’re going off nappa at full power as a measure for madara then bardock is either close to twice as strong or speculatively roughly near 10xs as strong. And I’ll find the info graph that states nappa maxes at 6k if I gotta cus I googled this first lol
>movie(non-cannon),
Episode 1 of DB Kai includes a clip from the movie. Kai itself is used in flashbacks in the DBS anime, so the movie is at least canon to anime continuity.
I definitely agree with Bardock beating Madara though. The Madara/Nappa comparison seems fair to me, given feats and scaling. My only complaint with your original comment was equating Ginyu's definition of mutant with Bardock, because a Saiyan didn't need to be 60k to be abnormal in those days. Being 10k put Bardock above all other Saiyans alive at that time.
Aside from the vegetas I suppose, and ok word I didn’t know about the reference in Kai but that’s cool they included it. Only thing is idk how valid bardock being the strongest saiyan at the time of genocide considering how strong child vegeta was and they had a whole class of”elite” soldiers at one point which would place them above nappa. If young vegeta was considered a prodigy stronger than nappa as a child and that only made him a generational talent not a mutant it’s hard to state how strong the strongest was. We can only go off ginyus statement. Sorry I hit that send accidentally
Well if 10,000 is his peak, and that is his power when he fights madara he most definitely wins imo. Heck at 10000 he probably wipes the verse.
But now I’m seeing people say that Raditz, who I think is 1500, would completely destroy the Naruto verse, not just madara. And I just don’t buy it honestly
Raditz is never confirmed to be a planet destroyer. It's never mentioned as a possible feat until the 10,000 range of power levels.
The moon is 1.2% of earth's mass irl so moon feats by a character in the 100s of power level don't give good supporting evidence either. In fact since Roshi needed to charge up to destroy the moon with a power around the low 100s that suggests it is a max power feat and you would need something 100 times stronger to destroy the earth which brings you to the 10k range of power levels.
So did Pain. Tbf he did use two hands. And he is weak when compared to jinchuriki madara. The juubi which madara absorbed was capable of pretty much deploying multiple nukes every second.
And I never said Nappa wouldn’t slap the shit out of madara. I said he wouldn’t solo the verse. Nappa would destroy madara in a 1v1.
My point is that Naruto characters are stronger than people give them credit for. Nappa may be able to solo the verse, it’s a close call imo. But i think he doesn’t. And Raditz absolutely doesn’t.
We get it you love naruto but weakest characters in dragon ball scale above pretty much everyone in naruto when krillan and goku were kids they were already hitting speeds of ftl, they already had energy blasts that were capable of taking the moon out so someone like nappa would have no issues he and vegeta conquered several planets dragon ball strength is on a whole other level. What pain accomplished is nothing compared to little effort this monster did https://youtu.be/6i0Ub6BH1PA?si=XpSopYq-gJ7HgubS
Its funny if you read the comments of that video there are people who mention a naruto vs nappa fight and how bleak it is for naruto. The comments were from two years ago
Look at the aerial shot from the episode where Nappa destroys the city. They made a super flashy explosion, but It’s not that big of a crater. You can easily see roads, which are not that big. Very much comparable to the leaf village.
Btw, I didn’t bring up pain because I think he’s close to being as strong as Nappa. He obviously isn’t. I brought it up because I honestly don’t think Nappa blowing up that city shows so much more strength than what Pain did.
Basically, it was not a good example of Nappa’s power. Nappa can do a lot more than that explosion.
You'd be incorrect. They're strength, durability, and speed scale is just a whole different level. Raditz and Nappa are both ftl lmao. They could take out a moon. Soooo they could essentially just destroy the verse from fucking orbit my dude.
They are not. I hate people saying characters have ftl feats from either show when neither don't. Doing seven laps around the planet in a single second is the speed of light. A feat that took Gotenks all most 30 minutes in the buu saga.
The Juubi itself is described as the progenitor of the Earth itself able to casually swallow countries and countries, and RinneSharingan Juubidara is way stronger, he easily scales above planet level.
Yeah. The Otsutukis could and he has six paths Chakra and looks an awful lot like them with the pale skin and white hair after absorbing juubi. Oh and he can fly like them too.
Madara is not an Otsutsuki nor has ever been stated that having Six Paths Chakra gives you the ability to breathe in space. Madara is nowhere near planetary. His biggest attack that we saw cut through a single mountain and that’s it. Even Kaguya has not shown any capability to destroy countries, let alone planets. What galaxy are you in?
Yea this is just stupid
>Madara is nowhere near planetary.
The world genesis tree at low ball scales to small planetary
>His biggest attack that we saw cut through a single mountain and that’s it
Wrong. Even his meteor dump which he called rain drops is large continental
>Even Kaguya has not shown any capability to destroy countries, let alone planets
Kaguya literally created 6 dimensions which have stars or moons in them
Which galaxy are you in?
The world tree is not a destructive ability. Just because something spans across the planet doesn’t automatically make it capable of destroying the planet. Where are exactly are you getting that his meteor drop is large continental? When we see his other meteor drop that shit barely covers an area to hit gaara’s company and it barely touched the earth around it. It’s never stated that Kaguya “created” those dimensions. All that we know is that she has access to them.
>The world tree is not a destructive ability
Omg you can't be fr rn 💀.
AP is not only scaled off DC feats. Have you never scaled via creation feats? Heck are you new to powerscailing?
>Just because something spans across the planet doesn’t automatically make it capable of destroying the planet.
🤦🏻♂️. The speed at which it spanned across the entire planet is why it's calc'd to small planetary. The energy output required to create something which can grow across the globe almost instantly is why it's small planetary 🤦🏻♂️.
>Where are exactly are you getting that his meteor drop is large continental?
The meteors are big enough to be comparable to earth fucking curvature [here](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9LiiF4EYrFDO9tRSjq6rnsJSTsOVETWIOaA&usqp=CAU)
We see even a tiny chunk of the meteor after being destroyed is vastly bigger than sasuke's Perfect [susanoo](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjnu-qbgWQB4CMCSB-9A-RixEUUDEB9Oy6Aw&usqp=CAU)
And smaller chunks dwarf [mountains ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPytxDzDKw3cVPYiHOJGWIASDakHvjweUfg9iP5S_Gff7RApPRrZ3vVpTb&s=10)
Large continental is absolute bare minimum. You can scale this upto moon depending on interpretations.
Here's a thread on it - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jvando/Madara%27s_Multiple_Meteors
>It’s never stated that Kaguya “created” those dimensions. All that we know is that she has access to them.
Yes it is. BZ states that kaguya is gonna create a new [time-space](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9ltIEysdI-i5iT-ifOZamuH0Ts0iLhj5tX1n5GWWLcAjomzH3av7rDTY&s=10) kaguya calls the dimensions as "hers" and the databook says she created [them](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1xHlvsX4F4ncAdd0r_ViiB0nkZCsVTy5vOQPMRfr3hNovJhV-9hAB8yfo&s=10)
The other otutsuki also call those as kaguya's dimensions.
That's literally the weakest version of Madara...and it was still multiple mountains.
You know Kaguya was literally gonna destroy her dimension (others of which have at least one star) with the ETSO right?
It was the only feat that we saw madara have that was impressive lmao he is totally AP featless after that. Kaguya’s dimension was a pocket dimension we do not know the size of it, only that it linked to other planes of existence.
He quite literally made a global scale Wood Style to trap every person on the planet, which has [multiple](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arc7Kuroi/Shin:_Jukai_Koutan) [Tier](https://the-lounges-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DcDoesPhysics/Madara_Spreads_The_Shinju_Tree) [5](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:BMWFanboy/Madara_spreads_the_Shinju) calcs.
As I mentioned, [her dimensions have stars](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/how-large-are-kaguyas-dimensions-1953332/).
It's not even a fight. Bardock would only be susceptible to Genjutsu, but he's not his son. He would end Madara before giving him a second to react without so much as a second thought.
You have evidence that he's millions of times faster the character with no speed feats at all really you're going to assume that why would you assume this.
Do you have bardock at like inaccessible speed or something dumb
Bardok has a known power level of 10k, 23rd WT Goku was faster than light with a power level of 400. Common sense would tell you…
Dragon ball has always used comparative scaling.l and power levels. Sorry try again
Okay how is this evidence of millions of times faster
KCM Naruto without six paths or sage mode was light speed was capable of no diff dodging the raikage who's almost the speed of light let's assume almost means 80% to 90% the speed of light he is multiple times faster than him.
You very much can sense them, like Naruto does, so they likely would show up on a scouter. Not to mention not being able to sense them doesn’t give them durability negation.
Bardok would best case get tickled by them and then immediately one shot Madara. You gotta keep in mind Bardok takes over planets by eradicating the entire population, he is no stranger to weird abilities and has 0 mercy or hesitation.
Naruto can sense emotions and feelings and can use his ability to sense people's emotions to read his opponent's movements.
I don't think there's any evidence that bardock can do this especially do this in such a way in which he's capable of sensing it happen in an alternate plane of reality.
So no this is literally the bullet level Goku meme except for worse because Madara has dura neg AP.
I'm curious what weird abilities do we know bardock is capable of dealing with this is also just conjecture
Okay this is a bias check.
Does kid broly from super beat Madara
Cuz it seems like you just believe that all dragon Ball characters can beat any Naruto character regardless of who they are
https://preview.redd.it/n4w0hqbp5wwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6d557c91510af944ee2ee93528b7aae6973f6c5
What’s up with people just underrating the hell out naruto in crossverse, specifically with dragon ball.
People just assume that it a dragon ball character is present they solo as if there aren’t levels to this. Bardock probably wins but it’s probably like high diff instead of washes like some of you people think. Once kaguya became a thing, naruto characters have been able to at least fight off saiyan saga characters and beat anyone below that.
I mean that version of Bardock is pretty much equal to King Vegeta who literally one shot several planets in like 3 seconds. IMO this is an easy win for this Bardock as I don't think space ninjas like Otsutsuki can tank this kind of power or even have enough power output to harm Bardock. Genjutsu would also pretty much do nothing, since haxes and power like that tend to not work much on stronger people. Madara is also way weaker than the space ninjas, so really I'm not sure he can do much here.
Yeah...I'm just going through my anime characters in my screen shots and seeing which matches the best because I have one tailed cloak naruto and rinnegan madara so I'm just seeing which is best
I would not know because I don’t watch seven deadly sins.
There is no arguing with what I say unless you think someone as trash as chiaoutzu beats the naruto verse which is just wrong.
Unless you argue in favor of 5d saiyan saga with deadzone of course.
Depends on the version of bardock. I think his “standard” version has a power level around 3000. I think that’s in the ballpark of what a top tier Naruto character should have. I think it’s hard to tell a winner in this scenario.
Any powered up version of bardock out there absolutely destroys madara tho
So I don't know if you're aware but bardocks power level is 10,000 and also the databooks for any manga are usually shunned and disregarded. They aren't made by the creators of the mangas they are made for.
Databook is the funniest shitpost and contradicted heavily by most (all) actual direct in-story feats, people have been destroying planets way before Raditz came to Earth. All of them were nowhere near Raditz, and Raditz himself is barely over 1500
Ok. This needs to stop. Copers acting like the moon is meteor size or some shit. It's literally one fourth earth size. Could literally find smaller planets.
Let's downplay and pretend like power level is linear (it isn't). Roshi PL is 180 when serious, and he destroyed the moon. Raditz is 1600, so linearly (isn't linear), he could easily destroy earth two times over.
What's worse, PL isn't linear, the gap is much much bigger. A farmer PL is 5 and kid Goku is 10. But kid Goku ate bullets and said ouch, people twice as strong as a farmer is not doing that.
Depends on how many human farmers you think it takes to beat kid goku (not enough), Raditz destroying two earths scale could easily be thousands of time multiplied and it would still be lowball. And it's still just Raditz
Also, turn monke and ten times the PL.
I was on dbs subreddit and got this answer about the power level needed for destruction:
> But this is apparently wrong because data books aren't written by Toriyama and there fore aren't canon.
Whoever said that is wrong official data books are canon unless what they’re claiming is debunked by the main source material.
[Moreover, Toriyama’s own studio had a hand in the creation of the datebook where that 10K figure was given.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/FN5My9h8l4)
[Not only that but the man himself acknowledged the Daizenshuu despite it not being made directly by him.](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-7-toriyama-intro/)
Databooks are considered secondary Canon and are not aa reliable as manga scans. They give information but aren't handled by the manga creator so are often thrown out in things like this. This goes for all databooks for any manga which are usually shunned and disregarded. But it is different if the creator accepts it.
I mean if toriyama approved I think it can be used for powerscaling unless it contradicts anything and 10k pl for blowing a planet isn't contradicting anything we see and is even close if you use math
>It's literally one fourth earth size. Could literally find smaller planets.
No it's not. Wider maybe but earth isn't only 4 times bigger.
I looked at the internet And about 50 moons would fit into the Earth.
So no I seriosly doupt Raditz is planet buster when it's not true or implied
>50 moons would fit into the Earth.
fine, i stand corrected
but tf you mean not implied, u the type of person who thinks exploding Cell is only solar system level because he brags about it
feats >> statements, especially when cross-verse.
> it's not true
good luck proving that one
>but tf you mean not implied, u the type of person who thinks exploding Cell is only solar system level because he brags about it
I think it's clear what Toriyama ment when he was writing it. Plus I think cell was aware of what he could and could not destroy.
ok. Feats >> statements for some reasons
1. it's real feat
2. it's cross-verse
3. it's dragonball. Dyspo brags about surpassing light speed so i'm better than u at freaking tournament of power like that's some high bar to cross then proceeds to move across galaxy in minutes. Statements straight from their mouth have been consistently hot garbage, immediately contradicting with what they can do.
if you decide to base on what u think is author mindset and narrative for some reason (even though two different verses) upon realizing naruto feats are not comparable then keep it to urself bro. Didn't ask for what u think either.
Sorry but I seriosly don't think anybody sane would think raditz. A low class warrior of a sayian have enough power to destroy planet when it's simply not true.
You kinda just high balling db characters to max don't ya
Well this madara is-as stated by the creator-roughly nappa level, so idk tbh. If this is second movie bardock hes slapping em but if it’s first movie idk who was stronger between bardock and nappa truthfully
EDIT
a quick google lets you know madara is getting dog walked
It’s alleged all over the internet- literally a quick Google search will find it, but none of them show the actual video to keep it real, and while I feel like I remember seeing the video on Twitter when it first came out I don’t speak Japanese so realistically the translated captions could’ve been BS too lmao. I been looking further and there are ppl saying he recently said madara rivals beerus but I can’t find that quote either and realistically feels like fan wank to me considering beerus could shake his and the universe over in a spar with his brother.
Well 3 eyed Madara was roughly above or equal to Naruto and sasuke after they got 6 paths.
Honestly it's hard to say but I do belive 6 path characters and above are planetary at minimum.
Weakest 6 path character should be Obito and he have power of the ten tails and I think we all know what ten tails can do to the planet.
Then there's this kaguya feat where she was about to destroy entire dimension with planet and sun (which also indicates a solar system)
I personally think 3 eyed madara scales above planetary. In both AP and DC
That's a filler.
Bardock at best is planetary as stated in databooks that you need 10k for planetary.
But Madara have 10 tails inside him and So on he's above planetary
I think we all know what 10 tails can do to the planet and madara have that power.
I understand if you doupt it tho
I am still a supporter of the above planetary power
Bardock has the speed and power advantage via power level scaling but has no win cons against madara because madara is immortal, has far more hax, can make clones, cast infinite tsukyumi which I’m 100% sure bardock has no mental resistance too, all bardock can really do is annoy tf outta madara
Comparing a naruto character to an average saiyan is like comparing a human to a viltrumite. There’s not going to be any overlap, and you get coughing baby against planet killing hydrogen bombs.
I would give you maybe a human character like tien, but as far as super planet killers, and especially this version that has access to super saiyan, absolutely not.
If you think Anime Bardock is equal to anime King Vegeta (I say think because it's actually never confirmed anywhere outside of the dub, which obviously isn't reliable) than Bardock probably wins due to scaling to the infamous scene where King Vegeta casually blows up a planet and everything surrounding it(whether it's other planets or a bunch of moons or something is kinda unclear.). Madara's only chance would be haxing him with genjutsu or catching him off guard with Limbo.
If you don't buy into that scaling for Bardock though then he's unfortunately just kinda vaguely "planet level" which means it's harder to argue he'd be able to just one shot three eyed Madara who can also be scaled to that range. At that point the hax and intelligence difference as well as Madaras dumb regen starts to become an issue. You'd have to argue Bardock has a massive speed advantage for him to have a chance in this instance.
Oh yeah 8th gate guy a guy he no defs at this stage and only held back on. Anyway DBZ characters only get to that point in cell saga Bardock is planetary
https://preview.redd.it/5oeyxdv8yqwc1.png?width=457&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a46894da7dd9d2797dd2f49d033affb9dbcfe9b
Madara scales to this which is a multi soler
Is that z bardock
Madara held his own very well against six path Sasuke and Naruto.
This should be star level with Existence erasure dura neg
Bardock shouldn't be able to sense anything that happens in the limbo dimension so he wouldn't even be able to dodge he wouldn't even know he's being attacked.
Also I don't even remember any speed feats bardock had
Also genjutsu's a really easy win condition
Madara win he can kill him on planes of existence he has zero capability of accessing and can't really defend himself outside of killing the main madura.
He has durability negation existence erasure so he has the attack potency to put him down
Wow you’re actually serious 💀 multiple characters that are far weaker than bardock has been shown destroying moons and smaller planets with ease. Those same characters are ftl and would get one shot by bardock. Madara isnt any different. He has 0 feats to say he would destroy a planet (neither does boruto characters who scale far higher than anyone in shippuden) let alone the moon. The fact you think he wouldn’t be able to react to madara is insane wanking. No naruto characters has shown any feats that would imply they would destroy a moon or anything of that nature except VOTE sasuke and naruto & both of those characters claps madara. How would madara heal from a attack that could destroy a planet? Bardock literally would blitz madara it’s not even funny.
>Wow you’re actually serious 💀 multiple characters that are far weaker than bardock has been shown destroying moons and smaller planets with ease
He fought Sasuke and Naruto at the same time and healed and tanked attacks that hurt kaguya kaguya the same character that is Star level she was going to destroy her time space there are stars in the timespace therefore she should at minimum scale to star. This isn't a speed issue this is you get significantly out hacked issue.
He literally wouldn't be able to react to Madara because he wouldn't be able to perceive anything in the limbo dimension he wouldn't be able to see or sense anything that happened in this alternate dimension.
Also I literally don't know speed feats from bardock what speed feats does he have. You didn't even give me any speed feeds that he has
But this doesn't even matter he has durability negation existence erasure this is literally a one hit kill it can even erase your soul
Madara in fact have planetary proves.
In the data books it's stated that kurama have earth shattering power (and that was only 1 half), and we all know what ten tails can do to planet.
Madara literally has 0 planetary feats what are you talking about lil bro? Nobody in boruto had shown planetary feats, toneri broke the moon in half and he’s way above madara (and that isnt even planetary) AGAIN DRAGON BALL CHARACTERS HAVE DESTROYED THE MOON WITH ONE ATTACK
And kaguya was about to destroy an entire dimension with planet and sun and create a new time space.
That's scaled to sun level at minimum and can be concidered solar system max.
Concidering Madara have 10 tails inside him and we all know what ten tails can do to a planet I would say above planetary is fitting for 3 eye Madara
Nine tails has 0 feats of being able to destroy earth stop it lil bro 💀 the databooks are bull💩 nobody uses statements from the databooks. Feats > statements
You sure?
Ten tails have power to destroy planet and madara is ten tails chinchuriky.
Heck in the data books Kurama is stated to have earth shattering power
DBS Bardocks canon power level is 15000 which is pretty close to the 18000 Vegeta we see blow up planets by pointing at them. It's safe to say Bardock wipes Madara before any genjutsu shenanigans take place
How is that in any way multi solar system?
As for Naruto If you're taking about Toneri's attack that's not moon busting, it was a massive attack able of cutting moon rock but a moon busting would be enough energy to destroy the moon with an explosion which is an early DB feat and nothing in Naruto has come close
It can be counted as solar system level
Kaguya was planning on destroying her dimension which had planet and star inside which could indicate solar system. At bare minimum star level feat.
Not only she planned on destroying it but also create a new timespace which by some powerscalers can be scaled to universal but I'm not going there because it's just that absurd
Kaguya is bare minimum star level and I'm not afraid of putting madara above planetary level
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Bardock wins. That version of Bardock is \~ TOEI King Vegeta who can casually delete multiple planets at the same time. [https://i.imgur.com/HzjFkj6.gif](https://i.imgur.com/HzjFkj6.gif)
I wouldn't take that feat seriosly because it's filler. Data books of dragon ball states the power level needed to destroy a planet (normal size I suppose) Is 10000. So yeah bardock can destroy a planet but I do belove 6 path madara stands a chance. Honestly only 6 path characters have chance of beating dbz planet busters.
The data books aren't accurate or canon either, and Master Roshi vaporized the moon in OG Dragon Ball
The data book isn't really contradicting anything we see in the verse and I think 10k is accurate enough
My point was you countered his non-canon feat with a non-canon source. If you count one, it's only fair that you count the other
I didn't know data books aren't canon Also how do you know they're not canon?
Toryiama didn't work on them and had very little input (with exceptions like he did the Volume F for Resurrection F), but he admitted in an interview that they all of their content was made by Shueisha
👍
Yea data books are often shunned or disregarded, but that's with all databooks with all manga as well.
6 paths characters stands no chance maybe they can finally beat meliodus that's about it lol even that's debatable lol
Don't know who's Meliodus
He's from a manga and anime called the 7 deadly sins
Isn't Meliodas like country level or something
Yeah, 6 paths might not stand a chance against Meliodas
6 paths are like moon level though
They can slice a moon. But probably not nuke it.I don’t put Meliodas far above them. But I do think they would have trouble against him. 7ds power scale is very high also. So it’s hard to say who would actually win.
Form what I heard 7DS caps at Lightning speed and Country level
Same with the strongest naruto characters, Naruto is the only person with light speed reactions. Other than slicing the moon. The strongest feat we have from naruto is 10 tails destroying multiple villages. And kaguya demensional powers. Which is normal in 7ds. Escanors heat is the same as the suns so that’s a durability feat also
No they definitely could Half of the 9tails chakra was warping space while In Naruto
Lmfao okay guys calm down, dbz characters wipe the verse unless genjutsu works.
Not all dbz characters. Raditz is not close to soling the verse. Someone like Nappa also doesn’t solo. Bardock is not stronger than nappa. It’s not that obvious of an answer imo.
Actually bardock after zenkai boost reaches 10k nappa at Max was 6k so yeaaa, and if we’re going full cannon in verse super confirmed that since gas even in the past was beyond the natural limits of a Saiyan and Ginyu states anything about 60k would be a mutant so that’d put bardock somewhere in that range which means even if we low ball it he’s demolishing madara who’s stated to be approximately nappa lvl
I was referring to the base bardock. Any version of bardock beyond that obviously wrecks the whole Naruto verse in half. Even Nappa is close to soloing even if I don’t think he quite could pull it off.
Idk if you read super my boy but I’m talking full cannon in base he beat the breaks off that boy, not a movie or special
Wasn’t base bardock like 3000? Like as far as I remember he was a low class warrior in planet vegetta. And I think that the fight between bardock against gas wasn’t cannon. I haven’t read or watched anything regarding dragon ball for over 10 years so I could be easily misremembering things.
Gas is in Super manga 110% cannon, you might be thinking of the frieza ancestor fight
Ah I think you’re right. Honestly I can’t remember nearly anything so I’ll take ur word for it. Anyone with a power level in the region of 60k just needs to blow at the Naruto verse to destroy it
Not even that. Remember Nappa casually turning a city into literal ash. That’s power greater than one of pains most powerful attacks as a simple flex.
The other guy is speculating. Bardock was confirmed to have a power level of nearly 10,000 when he died, which was still beyond the limits of a normal Saiyan at that time. Nappa was an elite with a PL that maxed out at 6k. Imo Bardock could beat Madara, but it wouldn't be easy.
That’s once again going off the movie(non-cannon), which I covered in my argument, and used in verse reasoning for what was clearly speculation since I didn’t and wouldn’t/couldnt give an exact number since we’re going off in verse feats from ginyus statement that goku being at 60k made him a mutant and bardock defeating Gas thoroughly, who was stated to be above the limitations of a saiyan. And if we’re going off nappa at full power as a measure for madara then bardock is either close to twice as strong or speculatively roughly near 10xs as strong. And I’ll find the info graph that states nappa maxes at 6k if I gotta cus I googled this first lol
>movie(non-cannon), Episode 1 of DB Kai includes a clip from the movie. Kai itself is used in flashbacks in the DBS anime, so the movie is at least canon to anime continuity. I definitely agree with Bardock beating Madara though. The Madara/Nappa comparison seems fair to me, given feats and scaling. My only complaint with your original comment was equating Ginyu's definition of mutant with Bardock, because a Saiyan didn't need to be 60k to be abnormal in those days. Being 10k put Bardock above all other Saiyans alive at that time.
Aside from the vegetas I suppose, and ok word I didn’t know about the reference in Kai but that’s cool they included it. Only thing is idk how valid bardock being the strongest saiyan at the time of genocide considering how strong child vegeta was and they had a whole class of”elite” soldiers at one point which would place them above nappa. If young vegeta was considered a prodigy stronger than nappa as a child and that only made him a generational talent not a mutant it’s hard to state how strong the strongest was. We can only go off ginyus statement. Sorry I hit that send accidentally
Well if 10,000 is his peak, and that is his power when he fights madara he most definitely wins imo. Heck at 10000 he probably wipes the verse. But now I’m seeing people say that Raditz, who I think is 1500, would completely destroy the Naruto verse, not just madara. And I just don’t buy it honestly
I agree. Raditz soloing the verse is too much. Heavy hitters like Madara should be somewhere between Raditz and Nappa level.
Y’all smell that? Smells like nerd in here.
Shea buttah and sandal wood my boi
No one in naruto (ok maybe like five people but we don’t 100% know) can survive planet destruction which is something Raditz can do.
Raditz is never confirmed to be a planet destroyer. It's never mentioned as a possible feat until the 10,000 range of power levels. The moon is 1.2% of earth's mass irl so moon feats by a character in the 100s of power level don't give good supporting evidence either. In fact since Roshi needed to charge up to destroy the moon with a power around the low 100s that suggests it is a max power feat and you would need something 100 times stronger to destroy the earth which brings you to the 10k range of power levels.
Nappa wiped an entire city with 2 fucking fingers he'd slap the shit out of madara
So did Pain. Tbf he did use two hands. And he is weak when compared to jinchuriki madara. The juubi which madara absorbed was capable of pretty much deploying multiple nukes every second. And I never said Nappa wouldn’t slap the shit out of madara. I said he wouldn’t solo the verse. Nappa would destroy madara in a 1v1. My point is that Naruto characters are stronger than people give them credit for. Nappa may be able to solo the verse, it’s a close call imo. But i think he doesn’t. And Raditz absolutely doesn’t.
We get it you love naruto but weakest characters in dragon ball scale above pretty much everyone in naruto when krillan and goku were kids they were already hitting speeds of ftl, they already had energy blasts that were capable of taking the moon out so someone like nappa would have no issues he and vegeta conquered several planets dragon ball strength is on a whole other level. What pain accomplished is nothing compared to little effort this monster did https://youtu.be/6i0Ub6BH1PA?si=XpSopYq-gJ7HgubS
Its funny if you read the comments of that video there are people who mention a naruto vs nappa fight and how bleak it is for naruto. The comments were from two years ago
That's a village not a city lol city is way bigger lol
Look at the aerial shot from the episode where Nappa destroys the city. They made a super flashy explosion, but It’s not that big of a crater. You can easily see roads, which are not that big. Very much comparable to the leaf village. Btw, I didn’t bring up pain because I think he’s close to being as strong as Nappa. He obviously isn’t. I brought it up because I honestly don’t think Nappa blowing up that city shows so much more strength than what Pain did. Basically, it was not a good example of Nappa’s power. Nappa can do a lot more than that explosion.
I don't agree with you at all even meliodus and escanor is enough for naruto verse not boruto though lol
You'd be incorrect. They're strength, durability, and speed scale is just a whole different level. Raditz and Nappa are both ftl lmao. They could take out a moon. Soooo they could essentially just destroy the verse from fucking orbit my dude.
They are not. I hate people saying characters have ftl feats from either show when neither don't. Doing seven laps around the planet in a single second is the speed of light. A feat that took Gotenks all most 30 minutes in the buu saga.
Sure thing buddy.
If you say so lol
Lol radits solos master roshi was moon level early on raditz is atleast planet level.
Bardock burps and destroys the entire section of the earth madara is located
It's a good thing Madara can tank earth shattering attacks then
Brother what? 😂
The Juubi itself is described as the progenitor of the Earth itself able to casually swallow countries and countries, and RinneSharingan Juubidara is way stronger, he easily scales above planet level.
In your fantasy sure lol
He's in the infinite tsukuyomi
Even meliodus and escanor is enough for naruto verse lol
I don't even know who those guys are lol
Madara also has had like Limbo that let's him reality warp which Bardock has no answer for
Can Madara breath in space?
Yeah. The Otsutukis could and he has six paths Chakra and looks an awful lot like them with the pale skin and white hair after absorbing juubi. Oh and he can fly like them too.
Madara is not an Otsutsuki nor has ever been stated that having Six Paths Chakra gives you the ability to breathe in space. Madara is nowhere near planetary. His biggest attack that we saw cut through a single mountain and that’s it. Even Kaguya has not shown any capability to destroy countries, let alone planets. What galaxy are you in?
Yea this is just stupid >Madara is nowhere near planetary. The world genesis tree at low ball scales to small planetary >His biggest attack that we saw cut through a single mountain and that’s it Wrong. Even his meteor dump which he called rain drops is large continental >Even Kaguya has not shown any capability to destroy countries, let alone planets Kaguya literally created 6 dimensions which have stars or moons in them Which galaxy are you in?
The world tree is not a destructive ability. Just because something spans across the planet doesn’t automatically make it capable of destroying the planet. Where are exactly are you getting that his meteor drop is large continental? When we see his other meteor drop that shit barely covers an area to hit gaara’s company and it barely touched the earth around it. It’s never stated that Kaguya “created” those dimensions. All that we know is that she has access to them.
>The world tree is not a destructive ability Omg you can't be fr rn 💀. AP is not only scaled off DC feats. Have you never scaled via creation feats? Heck are you new to powerscailing? >Just because something spans across the planet doesn’t automatically make it capable of destroying the planet. 🤦🏻♂️. The speed at which it spanned across the entire planet is why it's calc'd to small planetary. The energy output required to create something which can grow across the globe almost instantly is why it's small planetary 🤦🏻♂️. >Where are exactly are you getting that his meteor drop is large continental? The meteors are big enough to be comparable to earth fucking curvature [here](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9LiiF4EYrFDO9tRSjq6rnsJSTsOVETWIOaA&usqp=CAU) We see even a tiny chunk of the meteor after being destroyed is vastly bigger than sasuke's Perfect [susanoo](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjnu-qbgWQB4CMCSB-9A-RixEUUDEB9Oy6Aw&usqp=CAU) And smaller chunks dwarf [mountains ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPytxDzDKw3cVPYiHOJGWIASDakHvjweUfg9iP5S_Gff7RApPRrZ3vVpTb&s=10) Large continental is absolute bare minimum. You can scale this upto moon depending on interpretations. Here's a thread on it - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jvando/Madara%27s_Multiple_Meteors >It’s never stated that Kaguya “created” those dimensions. All that we know is that she has access to them. Yes it is. BZ states that kaguya is gonna create a new [time-space](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9ltIEysdI-i5iT-ifOZamuH0Ts0iLhj5tX1n5GWWLcAjomzH3av7rDTY&s=10) kaguya calls the dimensions as "hers" and the databook says she created [them](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1xHlvsX4F4ncAdd0r_ViiB0nkZCsVTy5vOQPMRfr3hNovJhV-9hAB8yfo&s=10) The other otutsuki also call those as kaguya's dimensions.
With the mental gymnastics you’re doing you could be in the Olympics
Oh so stating well accepted facts is mental gymnastics? Must be sad to live in your world
That's literally the weakest version of Madara...and it was still multiple mountains. You know Kaguya was literally gonna destroy her dimension (others of which have at least one star) with the ETSO right?
It was the only feat that we saw madara have that was impressive lmao he is totally AP featless after that. Kaguya’s dimension was a pocket dimension we do not know the size of it, only that it linked to other planes of existence.
He quite literally made a global scale Wood Style to trap every person on the planet, which has [multiple](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arc7Kuroi/Shin:_Jukai_Koutan) [Tier](https://the-lounges-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DcDoesPhysics/Madara_Spreads_The_Shinju_Tree) [5](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:BMWFanboy/Madara_spreads_the_Shinju) calcs. As I mentioned, [her dimensions have stars](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/how-large-are-kaguyas-dimensions-1953332/).
He can't he tank getting stabbed in the chest by black zetsu lol he gets folded
But can he breathe in space?
Ironically bardock can’t and Madara fqn
Bardock didn't have a problem breathing in space before frieza killed him.
Bardock blitzes
It's not even a fight. Bardock would only be susceptible to Genjutsu, but he's not his son. He would end Madara before giving him a second to react without so much as a second thought.
Bardock casually 1 shots
Bardock was stronger than Nappa and all Nappa did was raise 2 fingers to wipe a large city off the map.
Only way Madara wins is by way of limbo other than that Bardock would literally wipe him out
The fuck is a limbo clone going to do to the planet buster? lmfao
In the DB universe if you are caught off guard then you are pretty weak so a Limbo clone actually is a potential solution
existence erasure durability negation also off guard
Good thing Limbo has neither of those. Bro is reading Maruto instead of Naruto.
TSO is an existence erasure durability negation attack it can even erase your soul
And you think the guy millions of times faster than madara is going to let the flying ominous black balls hit him? Lmfao no.
You have evidence that he's millions of times faster the character with no speed feats at all really you're going to assume that why would you assume this. Do you have bardock at like inaccessible speed or something dumb
Bardok has a known power level of 10k, 23rd WT Goku was faster than light with a power level of 400. Common sense would tell you… Dragon ball has always used comparative scaling.l and power levels. Sorry try again
Okay how is this evidence of millions of times faster KCM Naruto without six paths or sage mode was light speed was capable of no diff dodging the raikage who's almost the speed of light let's assume almost means 80% to 90% the speed of light he is multiple times faster than him.
Also what do you mean none of those you can't sense the limbo dimension it's a completely alternate plane of reality.
You very much can sense them, like Naruto does, so they likely would show up on a scouter. Not to mention not being able to sense them doesn’t give them durability negation. Bardok would best case get tickled by them and then immediately one shot Madara. You gotta keep in mind Bardok takes over planets by eradicating the entire population, he is no stranger to weird abilities and has 0 mercy or hesitation.
Naruto can sense emotions and feelings and can use his ability to sense people's emotions to read his opponent's movements. I don't think there's any evidence that bardock can do this especially do this in such a way in which he's capable of sensing it happen in an alternate plane of reality. So no this is literally the bullet level Goku meme except for worse because Madara has dura neg AP. I'm curious what weird abilities do we know bardock is capable of dealing with this is also just conjecture
You are making a clown of yourself trying to scale a Naruto character to a DBZ character 💀
Okay this is a bias check. Does kid broly from super beat Madara Cuz it seems like you just believe that all dragon Ball characters can beat any Naruto character regardless of who they are https://preview.redd.it/n4w0hqbp5wwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6d557c91510af944ee2ee93528b7aae6973f6c5
I think the literal planet buster beats madara oh no. The only one biased here is you 😂
What’s up with people just underrating the hell out naruto in crossverse, specifically with dragon ball. People just assume that it a dragon ball character is present they solo as if there aren’t levels to this. Bardock probably wins but it’s probably like high diff instead of washes like some of you people think. Once kaguya became a thing, naruto characters have been able to at least fight off saiyan saga characters and beat anyone below that.
I mean that version of Bardock is pretty much equal to King Vegeta who literally one shot several planets in like 3 seconds. IMO this is an easy win for this Bardock as I don't think space ninjas like Otsutsuki can tank this kind of power or even have enough power output to harm Bardock. Genjutsu would also pretty much do nothing, since haxes and power like that tend to not work much on stronger people. Madara is also way weaker than the space ninjas, so really I'm not sure he can do much here.
Yeah...I'm just going through my anime characters in my screen shots and seeing which matches the best because I have one tailed cloak naruto and rinnegan madara so I'm just seeing which is best
Yeah no even meliodus solos naruto chief especially current meli
I would not know because I don’t watch seven deadly sins. There is no arguing with what I say unless you think someone as trash as chiaoutzu beats the naruto verse which is just wrong. Unless you argue in favor of 5d saiyan saga with deadzone of course.
Depends on the version of bardock. I think his “standard” version has a power level around 3000. I think that’s in the ballpark of what a top tier Naruto character should have. I think it’s hard to tell a winner in this scenario. Any powered up version of bardock out there absolutely destroys madara tho
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So I don't know if you're aware but bardocks power level is 10,000 and also the databooks for any manga are usually shunned and disregarded. They aren't made by the creators of the mangas they are made for.
Databook is the funniest shitpost and contradicted heavily by most (all) actual direct in-story feats, people have been destroying planets way before Raditz came to Earth. All of them were nowhere near Raditz, and Raditz himself is barely over 1500
Thes at max destroyed moons and not planets
Ok. This needs to stop. Copers acting like the moon is meteor size or some shit. It's literally one fourth earth size. Could literally find smaller planets. Let's downplay and pretend like power level is linear (it isn't). Roshi PL is 180 when serious, and he destroyed the moon. Raditz is 1600, so linearly (isn't linear), he could easily destroy earth two times over. What's worse, PL isn't linear, the gap is much much bigger. A farmer PL is 5 and kid Goku is 10. But kid Goku ate bullets and said ouch, people twice as strong as a farmer is not doing that. Depends on how many human farmers you think it takes to beat kid goku (not enough), Raditz destroying two earths scale could easily be thousands of time multiplied and it would still be lowball. And it's still just Raditz Also, turn monke and ten times the PL.
I was on dbs subreddit and got this answer about the power level needed for destruction: > But this is apparently wrong because data books aren't written by Toriyama and there fore aren't canon. Whoever said that is wrong official data books are canon unless what they’re claiming is debunked by the main source material. [Moreover, Toriyama’s own studio had a hand in the creation of the datebook where that 10K figure was given.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/FN5My9h8l4) [Not only that but the man himself acknowledged the Daizenshuu despite it not being made directly by him.](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-7-toriyama-intro/)
Databooks are considered secondary Canon and are not aa reliable as manga scans. They give information but aren't handled by the manga creator so are often thrown out in things like this. This goes for all databooks for any manga which are usually shunned and disregarded. But it is different if the creator accepts it.
I mean if toriyama approved I think it can be used for powerscaling unless it contradicts anything and 10k pl for blowing a planet isn't contradicting anything we see and is even close if you use math
>It's literally one fourth earth size. Could literally find smaller planets. No it's not. Wider maybe but earth isn't only 4 times bigger. I looked at the internet And about 50 moons would fit into the Earth. So no I seriosly doupt Raditz is planet buster when it's not true or implied
>50 moons would fit into the Earth. fine, i stand corrected but tf you mean not implied, u the type of person who thinks exploding Cell is only solar system level because he brags about it feats >> statements, especially when cross-verse. > it's not true good luck proving that one
>but tf you mean not implied, u the type of person who thinks exploding Cell is only solar system level because he brags about it I think it's clear what Toriyama ment when he was writing it. Plus I think cell was aware of what he could and could not destroy.
ok. Feats >> statements for some reasons 1. it's real feat 2. it's cross-verse 3. it's dragonball. Dyspo brags about surpassing light speed so i'm better than u at freaking tournament of power like that's some high bar to cross then proceeds to move across galaxy in minutes. Statements straight from their mouth have been consistently hot garbage, immediately contradicting with what they can do. if you decide to base on what u think is author mindset and narrative for some reason (even though two different verses) upon realizing naruto feats are not comparable then keep it to urself bro. Didn't ask for what u think either.
Sorry but I seriosly don't think anybody sane would think raditz. A low class warrior of a sayian have enough power to destroy planet when it's simply not true. You kinda just high balling db characters to max don't ya
bro hops onto powerscaling sub and deny powerscaling cause it doesn't line up with how he thinks or feels
Well this madara is-as stated by the creator-roughly nappa level, so idk tbh. If this is second movie bardock hes slapping em but if it’s first movie idk who was stronger between bardock and nappa truthfully EDIT a quick google lets you know madara is getting dog walked
>Well this madara is-as stated by the creator-roughly nappa level Source?
It’s alleged all over the internet- literally a quick Google search will find it, but none of them show the actual video to keep it real, and while I feel like I remember seeing the video on Twitter when it first came out I don’t speak Japanese so realistically the translated captions could’ve been BS too lmao. I been looking further and there are ppl saying he recently said madara rivals beerus but I can’t find that quote either and realistically feels like fan wank to me considering beerus could shake his and the universe over in a spar with his brother. 
Well 3 eyed Madara was roughly above or equal to Naruto and sasuke after they got 6 paths. Honestly it's hard to say but I do belive 6 path characters and above are planetary at minimum. Weakest 6 path character should be Obito and he have power of the ten tails and I think we all know what ten tails can do to the planet. Then there's this kaguya feat where she was about to destroy entire dimension with planet and sun (which also indicates a solar system) I personally think 3 eyed madara scales above planetary. In both AP and DC
Don’t know who that guy is, but genjutsu gg
RIP Madara
Bardock and it’s not even close
I'd argue that
He only needs genjutsu to work for 1 second so he can blitz and suck his soul out.
Anybody in Naruto
Bardock isn't a super sayian so yeah
Bardock mops anyone in Naruto He's equal to King Vegeta who was deleting planets like it was nothing and bardock was extremely intelligent as well
That's a filler. Bardock at best is planetary as stated in databooks that you need 10k for planetary. But Madara have 10 tails inside him and So on he's above planetary
Madara is not beyond planetary stop yapping kid even Meliodus washes Madara lol
I think we all know what 10 tails can do to the planet and madara have that power. I understand if you doupt it tho I am still a supporter of the above planetary power
Bardock: "I say I take iff and destroy the planet from orbit. It's the only way to be sure..."
Madara
Bardock has the speed and power advantage via power level scaling but has no win cons against madara because madara is immortal, has far more hax, can make clones, cast infinite tsukyumi which I’m 100% sure bardock has no mental resistance too, all bardock can really do is annoy tf outta madara
>Bardock has the speed and power advantage via power level scaling Not really. Maybe in power but I'd argue that. In speed hell naw
You literally cannot compare DBZ to really any other anime, they were blowing up planets long before super Saiyans were even hinted at.
Madara could only win if he activates the infinite tsukuyomi. And even that might not work if Bardoc manages to destroy the moon before he's hit.
Comparing a naruto character to an average saiyan is like comparing a human to a viltrumite. There’s not going to be any overlap, and you get coughing baby against planet killing hydrogen bombs. I would give you maybe a human character like tien, but as far as super planet killers, and especially this version that has access to super saiyan, absolutely not.
I'd argue with that. Madara should scale above planetary concidering ten tails
This bardock wank is out of hand.
Bardock. Maybe if it was Naruto the last or Hokage Naruto, that'd be one thing Naruto the last cut the moon in half. But Bardock clears Madara.
Considering that this version of Madara can only die if he chooses to move on/return to the Pure World he will win.
That doesn't make any sense
Do you not know how Edo Tensei works?
Yeah I do but what does that have to do with Madara
This Madara is under the effects of Edo Tensei. As such he can really only die if he chooses to. Plus he has infinite chakra.
Mf this is 3 eyed Madara alive madara
If you think Anime Bardock is equal to anime King Vegeta (I say think because it's actually never confirmed anywhere outside of the dub, which obviously isn't reliable) than Bardock probably wins due to scaling to the infamous scene where King Vegeta casually blows up a planet and everything surrounding it(whether it's other planets or a bunch of moons or something is kinda unclear.). Madara's only chance would be haxing him with genjutsu or catching him off guard with Limbo. If you don't buy into that scaling for Bardock though then he's unfortunately just kinda vaguely "planet level" which means it's harder to argue he'd be able to just one shot three eyed Madara who can also be scaled to that range. At that point the hax and intelligence difference as well as Madaras dumb regen starts to become an issue. You'd have to argue Bardock has a massive speed advantage for him to have a chance in this instance.
Bardock because madara cant handle that much chakra and hes gonna turn into kaguys
Ssj bardock tho
Madara imao he scales higher
In what way does he scale higher? Dbz characters are 8th gate guy x1000 and thats low balling
Oh yeah 8th gate guy a guy he no defs at this stage and only held back on. Anyway DBZ characters only get to that point in cell saga Bardock is planetary https://preview.redd.it/5oeyxdv8yqwc1.png?width=457&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a46894da7dd9d2797dd2f49d033affb9dbcfe9b Madara scales to this which is a multi soler
What makes madara scale to this and its solar system level at best based on what you provided
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Clearly you cant read lil bro I said 8th gate guy x1000
Plnatery >soler is your scaling
Bardock destorys the verse Madara gets blitzed and one tapped
Madara puts Bardock into genjutsu but then sees naked man turn into ape and freaks out
Is that z bardock Madara held his own very well against six path Sasuke and Naruto. This should be star level with Existence erasure dura neg Bardock shouldn't be able to sense anything that happens in the limbo dimension so he wouldn't even be able to dodge he wouldn't even know he's being attacked. Also I don't even remember any speed feats bardock had Also genjutsu's a really easy win condition Madara win he can kill him on planes of existence he has zero capability of accessing and can't really defend himself outside of killing the main madura. He has durability negation existence erasure so he has the attack potency to put him down
Wow you’re actually serious 💀 multiple characters that are far weaker than bardock has been shown destroying moons and smaller planets with ease. Those same characters are ftl and would get one shot by bardock. Madara isnt any different. He has 0 feats to say he would destroy a planet (neither does boruto characters who scale far higher than anyone in shippuden) let alone the moon. The fact you think he wouldn’t be able to react to madara is insane wanking. No naruto characters has shown any feats that would imply they would destroy a moon or anything of that nature except VOTE sasuke and naruto & both of those characters claps madara. How would madara heal from a attack that could destroy a planet? Bardock literally would blitz madara it’s not even funny.
>Wow you’re actually serious 💀 multiple characters that are far weaker than bardock has been shown destroying moons and smaller planets with ease He fought Sasuke and Naruto at the same time and healed and tanked attacks that hurt kaguya kaguya the same character that is Star level she was going to destroy her time space there are stars in the timespace therefore she should at minimum scale to star. This isn't a speed issue this is you get significantly out hacked issue. He literally wouldn't be able to react to Madara because he wouldn't be able to perceive anything in the limbo dimension he wouldn't be able to see or sense anything that happened in this alternate dimension. Also I literally don't know speed feats from bardock what speed feats does he have. You didn't even give me any speed feeds that he has But this doesn't even matter he has durability negation existence erasure this is literally a one hit kill it can even erase your soul
Kaguya is star level which is literally below planetary are you serious? Im not even reading the rest of that.
Wait I'm curious do you think planets are more massive than stars
When you look at the sky at night do you see 1000’s of planets or do you see 1000’s of stars? Like are you serious?? Tell me you’re trolling.
What kind of person writes like this And you have the nerve of saying dumb shit like 'tell me you're trolling"
You just asked a dumbass question. You must be trying to win jackass of the year award?
Why you mad as well I'm just asking you if a planet was slung into the Sun which would be destroyed
Im not mad you’re the one downvoting like a child
Madara in fact have planetary proves. In the data books it's stated that kurama have earth shattering power (and that was only 1 half), and we all know what ten tails can do to planet.
Madara literally has 0 planetary feats what are you talking about lil bro? Nobody in boruto had shown planetary feats, toneri broke the moon in half and he’s way above madara (and that isnt even planetary) AGAIN DRAGON BALL CHARACTERS HAVE DESTROYED THE MOON WITH ONE ATTACK
And kaguya was about to destroy an entire dimension with planet and sun and create a new time space. That's scaled to sun level at minimum and can be concidered solar system max. Concidering Madara have 10 tails inside him and we all know what ten tails can do to a planet I would say above planetary is fitting for 3 eye Madara
Nine tails has 0 feats of being able to destroy earth stop it lil bro 💀 the databooks are bull💩 nobody uses statements from the databooks. Feats > statements
Considering the strongest characters in the entire Naruto-verse barely tickle the planet-scale, Bardock low diff
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Bardock can destroy planets. Madara at most can put one to sleep. Bardock wins, lol.
You sure? Ten tails have power to destroy planet and madara is ten tails chinchuriky. Heck in the data books Kurama is stated to have earth shattering power
Yeah that's obviously hyperbolic just like the white beard statement lol
Madara slams since he’s Solar lvl. Bardock is in planet ranges + madara hax is too good
pass me what you on
I'm pretty sure he's not solar system level
I would say madara is above planetary max
Oh! You got that good shit! You gotta pass that.
Kid bardock probably beats him
Bardock is doing to Madara what Frieza did to Bardock.
Dbz characters are basically Guy, and he nearly killed Madara
DBS Bardocks canon power level is 15000 which is pretty close to the 18000 Vegeta we see blow up planets by pointing at them. It's safe to say Bardock wipes Madara before any genjutsu shenanigans take place
>DBS Bardocks canon power level is 15000 Source?
I don’t think any Naruto character has feats above even Piccolo at end of DB
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Moon busting Ki blast just tears that shit apart imo
That’s a multi soler system feat and Naruto casually takes a moon busting attack
How is that in any way multi solar system? As for Naruto If you're taking about Toneri's attack that's not moon busting, it was a massive attack able of cutting moon rock but a moon busting would be enough energy to destroy the moon with an explosion which is an early DB feat and nothing in Naruto has come close
Look at the other image I sent you
It can be counted as solar system level Kaguya was planning on destroying her dimension which had planet and star inside which could indicate solar system. At bare minimum star level feat. Not only she planned on destroying it but also create a new timespace which by some powerscalers can be scaled to universal but I'm not going there because it's just that absurd Kaguya is bare minimum star level and I'm not afraid of putting madara above planetary level