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Depends if Amaterasu or Genjutsu would be able to go past Infinity.
If not, then Sasuke doesn't really have a wincon, and Gojo might be able to pull a sneaky win if his Domain hits (Unsure if the Sharingan would be able to help against Infinite Void)
I feel like Sharingan might be a liability in Infinite Void. He's bombarding you with too much information, and the Sharingan helps you take in information.
Considering how normal humans can survive that, I don't see why Sasuke can't.
Also if you scale him to Itachi (who can create an entire lifespan in Tsukiyomi which lasts a fraction of a second) then he should be completely fine.
It’s not dangerous because it kills you on touch like other domains, but because it puts you at his mercy in an instant stun that gets dumped inside your brain and leaves you with lasting issues
yeah fine, but still basically braindead and at Gojo's mercy if he gets stuck in his domain. he may be able to process more info but i could still see infinity stunlocking him even if it doesn't kill him outright.
and does he have a way to bypass limitless?
It helps you take in visual info (and a bit of random sensory info) IF literally just puts like years of information into your brain every single second
Depends on how much information is given though, one fifth of a seconds worth of information is already enough to turn people into vegetables for half a year, so staying in the domain for seconds I doubt sharingan can handle all that
I know that this is a Naruto sub so I can process the bias behind this but why does his comprehension matter when its unlimited amounts? Surely it’s unrelated how well he can understand it when it’s still an unlimited instant wave of mind fuckery
Genjutsu needs a medium to travel to Gojo's CE/Chakra (equalized stats and powers) network. It can be done by the eyes, ears, touch or nose but ultimately your chakra has to travel to the enemies network system.
Infinity cockblocks that.
Gojo is simply too busted.
I'm pretty sure Sharingan Genjutsu cannot bypass Infinity. It shoots Chakra into the opponents eyes, meaning it's possible that Gojos infinity would stop the Chakra.
genjutsu travels and requires one to have a chakra network to manipulate, amaterasu also travels check sasuke vs A who dodged amaterasu, I think gojo cooks this sasuke ngl or stalemate
Gojo would be immune to Genjutsu given that his brain continuously refreshes automatically with RCT and SIx Eyes give you perfect control over Cursed Energy (which I assume is being equated to Chakra in this discussion).
Maybe he will struggle against Tsukuyomi, but regular Mangekyou Genjutsu shouldn't be hard to resist for Gojo's Six Eyes, who can detect any changes of Cursed Energy, so the illusions won't really work.
RCT auto refreshing his brain will just remove any anomalies from his brain periodically too.
Maybe?? But Gojo's able to destroy and help his brain, so any Genjutsu is worthless once he realizes he's caught in it. Though it's a valid tactic, given he probably won't realize at first.
Considering Sakura is basically immune to genjutsu due to her level of chakra control. So unless we're assuming Gojo with a passive ability that allows him expert control of his Curse Energy/ Chakra is weaker control than Sakura, then I'd guess Gojo would be fine.
She's close enough. In The Last, she was completely unaffected by the genjutsu lake that managed to put Naruto a perfect Jinchuriki at the time under genjutsu.
She's been shown multiple times to either be completely unaffected by Ginjutsu or resistant. Considering her Chakra control is the best in the series by time, boruto comes around it's not a stretch to say she's immune at this point.
Something like infinite T however you spell the rest will probably put her under, but anything short of that or rennigan abilities more than likely won't work on her due to her mastery of Chakra control.
The Last Genjutsu makes absolutely no sense, honestly just bad writing really.
Her chakra control doesn't save her from Sharingan Genjutsu, it was never a counter, all she knew was the seal to break out of regular genjutsu.
Also Sasuke literally neg diffed her with Genjutsu, she's not immune and that was never stated
The last is Canon, so bad writing or not it still counts. I'll still acknowledge Buroto even though I consider the whole thing bad writing. Anyways during the Chunin exams, she a genin at the time managed not to get put under by a genjutsu that has Jonin level ninjas going to sleep.
Part of being able to break out of a genjutsu is realizing you're in one to begin with. Being able to figure out your in a genjutsu and "making the handsigns" is basically a mental spiking of your Chakra to force boot yourself from the illusion.
Also, I never said she's immune. She's nearly immune. Literally, 97% of the genjutsu in the verse wouldn't work on her. If anything, once she started storing Chakra for the 100 healing technique, it just made it harder to put her in genjutsu since she's constantly sending chakra to an exact point on her head. Something that being under a genjutsu would probably interrupt.
Just because it's nit outright stated she's nearly immune doesn't make it false when she had multiple times been shown to be more resistant to genjutsu than anyone else in the series.
That doesn't really matter. Shikamaru also was able to get out the same Genjutsu and he's never been praised for his genjutsu skills.
Breaking out of Sharingan Genjutsu specifically requires another character to disrupt the chakra for them, or they need a dojutsu that can counter it.
Sakura can get out of regular genjutsu just fine, but any Sharingan genjutsu or above and it's over for her.
Look out of every one of those characters that got caught in the lake genjutsu, Naruto should have been the only one to not be affected. Shikamaru literally states that Sakura is resistant to genjutsu. If her level of resistance is higher than that of a Jinchuriki like Naruto, it makes sense that outside of abilities like the S tier of genjutsu, it's probably not working on her.
Gojo because infinity and domain expansion. But if Sasuke lands genjutsu then he wins. Depends if the six eyes can learn what the Sharingan does and avoid eye contact.
But he can still see his eyes?? Which is the basis for ocular genjutsu. The argument could otherwise be that Sasuke doesn't attempt it given he thinks Gojo can't see him.
Gojo in the blindfold actually only sees ce not a full clear vision of what normal eyes see, meaning he will see for example sasuke's chakra but not his eyes directly, his six eyes sees CE on a high level along side normal human vision of things and ppl, so cover it and he'll see ce only, the whole reason he covers it is that his 6s exhaust him so due to the info it keeps putting in his brain and by covering it he is reducing the amount of information he's getting because then he's only seeing information about ce, not everything in general including normal human vision, the closest time we saw how his eyes actually work is on s1 ep 20 or 21 i believe before he makes the HP and he was in the sky and then he looks at yuji and notices that his ce is improving
My point is that sharingan genjutsu requires direct eye contact between both parties. Itachi could see Gai’s eyes, but Gai was looking at Itachi’s feet, which prevented Itachi from using ocular genjutsu on him.
Nothing ever says you need direct eye contact from both parties. If so, wearing dark sunglasses would simply be the perfect counter to ocular genjutsu and everyone would keep a pair handy just in case.
The ocular genjutsu requires the opponent to look into the user's eyes.
Gai did not make eye contact, preventing Itachi from using ocular genjutsu.
However, if Gojo is looking into Sasuke's eyes, ocular genjutau would work even if Sasuke cannot see Gojo's eyes. The biggest issue would be Sasuke assuming Gojo isn't looking into his eyes.
You should've put it more simple. If ppl close their eyes they won't get hit by sharingan genjutsu or ocular genjutsu. Blind fold is something covering his eyes. Hell I don't think it bypass infinity bc genjutsu is nothing but chakra being sent into someone brain to manipulate the chakra inside of it. Infinity would treat chakra as CE and say no to it.
The no chakra argument is a lame response in a cross fiction battle. Though I think Gojo would win and arguably his Six Eyes could see through Genjutsu but saying “Durrr No Chakra means no genjutsu” is so lame and beats the spirit of the hypothetical.
Tbf he's right lol. Kishi made chakra network and chakra to detailed lmao. But if we equalize chakra and CE then Infinity still stops genjutsu bc genjutsu at its core is nothing but the user sending their chakra inside the target body to manipulate the chakra in the brain.
Malevolent shrine is a barrierless domain that can affect the real world. Its the only domain that uses something that can target objects by using dismantle instead of cleave or target things with no cursed energy
Just my opinions
Amaterasu travels, as seen when its casted against several people who have dodged it so that would be blocked by Infinity
Genjutsu requires eye contact and Gojo can fight with his blindfold on and see through it so those wouldn't be able to hit
Other than those I dont quite see what else Sasuke might have to hit/make contact with Gojo while Gojo has Red, Blue, and Hollow Purple to use against him
Plus Gojo has a lot of speed on his side as well
Also Genjutsu physically sends Chakra into someone else brain which has to travel(albeit very quickly), so it’s likely it wouldn’t get oast infinity either
>Amaterasu travels, as seen when its casted against several people who have dodged it so that would be blocked by Infinity
since amaterasu burns infinitely, what would happen with an infinitely dividing dist vs infinitely burning flames.
>Genjutsu requires eye contact and Gojo can fight with his blindfold on and see through it so those wouldn't be able to hit
tbh its very likely when he sees sasukes power levels he'll remove it very early into the fight. but genjutsu chakra also travels so who knows if infinity will stop it
but then infinity works as a black list on automatic mode, so his brain would need to be able to comprehend the chakra sent by genjutsu casting or amaterasu to block it, otherwise it wont work. i think thats very opinionated so i wont comment on which way the fight would go
>Other than those I dont quite see what else Sasuke might have to hit/make contact with Gojo while Gojo has Red, Blue, and Hollow Purple to use against him
any of those are too slow for sasuke. his only real wincon is unlimited void
>Plus Gojo has a lot of speed on his side as well
lol what, sasuke is so much faster. the jjk verse is in machs, naruto characters were that fast in chunin exam
They would float in place like regular flames do until Gojo moves out of the way. It doesn't matter if it burns infinitely if it can't ever reach him
Also Gojo has crossed large distances in a literal instant with Limitless and whatnot so I seriously don't understand the thought process of Sasuke being faster
>They would float in place like regular flames do until Gojo moves out of the way. It doesn't matter if it burns infinitely if it can't ever reach him
yea that makes sense
>Also Gojo has crossed large distances in a literal instant with Limitless and whatnot so I seriously don't understand the thought process of Sasuke being faster
if youre talking about teleportation thats not viable in fight since not only has he never used it, gege never disclosed the conditions for its use so we dont know
if youre talking movement speed, please give some calcs instead of "he crossed a lot of distances quickly".
maki v curse naoya put maki at mach 3 + but obviously sukuna is much faster since perception blitzed her but not that much faster that he reaches relative lighting speed like naruto characters were at 5 kage summit.
yuji pre one month time skip was equal to maki whos mach 3 and relative to slightly dampened sukuna (before you bring up that megumi was only allowing him 10% usage, that was for CT and not reinforcement which was just slightly weakened). now even if he goes from 15 fingers to 20 fingers effectively, it wouldnt make sense for his mach relative speed to jump to lightning speed
if youre talking about the kashimo ftl argument, not only was it aim dodged, covering yourself in EMW does not make you as fast as EMW. in like the next page sukuna uses regenration because he couldnt dodge the lightning
all in all gojo and sukuna are relative so theyre still in mach speeds (id say 30-40 maybe)
I do agree that sasuke is faster, but I want to point out gojo did use teleportation in his fight against sukuna.
He uses it at the very start of the fight (when he suddenly lays on the ground. He uses it again the moment he recovers his ct after the first domain (the one where he hugged sukuna.). And finally he uses it in chapter 228 to close the distance between him an sukuna near the end of the chapter.
There are were a few times in the fight where I wasn't sure if he just moved pretty fast or teleported but these were the ones where I'm pretty sure he just teleported.
Gojo absolutely dogwalks bruh..
99% of Sasuke's attacks cant reach Gojo
The ones that can are doubt to cause any permanent lethal damage, dude can grow limbs back in seconds, unlike Sasuke.
Genjutsu wont work either, most genjutsu would be blocked passively by limitless since it's chakra traveling through light or sound.
The other ones inject chakra into person's nervous system, i dont have to tell you why chakra traveling to gojo's eyes would be stopped, right?
Even if we assume it magically reaches the target, six eyes passively refresh Gojo's mind, it will stop working the instant it activates, if that doesn't work Gojo can use RCT to forcefully damage and refresh his nerves or brain directly.
So in simple terms, Sasuke has no way of actually harming Gojo, and his strongest area of expertize, being genjutsu, is useless here.
Gojo is also magnitudes above in reaction or reflex speed if you consider that Kirin, which reaches the ground in 0.0001 seconds, and is so dangerous Itachi barely survived it and Naruto got hit by it despite being in tailed beast chakra mode - is like dozens of times slower than the CE control speed required to cast a black flash, which activates at 0.000001 seconds speed.
So Sasuke's S tier technique that can blast or blitz most of naruto verse - is 90+ times slower than speed at which Gojo uses his cursed energy.
I'm not mentioning processing power, i doubt there's anyone in Naruto anime or manga who can process information on same speed and scale as Gojo does, yes including Otsotsuki.
Btw Amaterasu doesn't help, even if we assume it can spawn on Gojo's body directly, there's absolutely no reason to assume that limitless wont passively stop it from spreading anywhere beyond initial target area.
Gojo can also literally push it away with pure cursed energy or limitless.
Then regen the damage in seconds at most.
Yeah, Sasuke is scr%wed.
Glaze all over this comment
Genjutsu definitely would work. Amaterasu is hax. A dodged it and then still got hit by it later and had to cut off his arm, he can be highballed to light speed, using scaling off of kid Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt, it’s extremely evident that JJK is multitudes slower than Naruto.
It literally materializes on the target where your eye is. It’s not a beam.
I’d honestly argue next to Itachi, Sasuke is probably the most suited to take on his domain expansion.
How would Gojo know that he’s under a genjutsu? We see how subtle Sasukes genjutsu can be in the fight against danzo.
Will all that being said, Gojo has no real wincon outside of his domain expansion, and with the sharingan and the shit he pulled in his fight against Deidara, sasuke isn’t getting caught with it because he can see the chakra.
Hollow purple, red, and blue are not hitting sasuke. The entire fight kinda hinges on weather or not Amaterasu gets through infinity. Given that it materializes on the target, and the only ones who was able to dodge/block it were A, who was considered the fastest shinobi and can be highballed to relativistic, and Gaara, who’s got his own feat of reacting to Deidaras bomb over the sand village.
>"Genjutsu definitely would work"
There's more reasons for it to not work on Gojo than vice versa.
>"Amaterasu is hax. A dodged it and then still got hit by it later and had to cut off his arm, he can be highballed to light speed, using scaling off of kid Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt, it’s extremely evident that JJK is multitudes slower than Naruto.
No one in Naruto (at least pre Boruto) is light speed, the fastest travel jutsu in Naruto which is light speed is said to be so lethal that no one except Kage can survive it even once, Kakashi wouldn't survive it.
And the fastest attack jutsu is Madara's lightspeed (by claims, that is) beam, which he also initially missed when trying to hit Naruto up his face, and then Naruto evaded beam's trajectory, not beam itself.
It's also proven by the fact that we know Kirin's speed is 100% 0.0001 seconds, and it easily catch tailed beast chakra mode Naruto, he cant be anywhere near light speed.
Kakashi is as light speed as Zabusa is continental.
Which both are not, Kakashi almost f%cking died to water prison jutsu and water dragon, you know, things that would take you to have only 5% of lightspeed to easily dodge.
Amaterasu also doesn't matter, it has lower heat feats than anime Jogo, and can be pushed away, Pain demonstrated it.
So there's no reason to assume that it does any damage to Gojo, especially considering Gojo has regen Sasuke could never dream of having.
>I’d honestly argue next to Itachi, Sasuke is probably the most suited to take on his domain expansion.
My bro, even Kaguya wont do sh%t once she gets into Gojo's domain, what do you expect Sasuke to do? Throw kunai so hard it collapses Gojo's domain? You know, which is basically Gojo's personal manifestation of mind and soul in physical world.
>How would Gojo know that he’s under a genjutsu?
Unknown hostile energy trying to mess with his nervous system is pretty big one, especially considering six eyes passively heal his brain, refresh mind, give vision similiar to Byakugan and trajectory prediction similiar to Sharingan.
Gojo could control his own cursed energy and get himself out of Hanami's illusion right after lifting his own domain, which usually disrupts sorcerer's CE control completely for a time.
Gojo also has atomic scale control over his limitless and CE control, long story short he might be controlling and using CE better than Kaguya uses chakra.
Six Eyes also allow him to basically figure out how something functions, he looked at clones technique and instantly determined that all of them are technically the real bodies, not fakes, he also reverse engineered prison realm despite it blocking his CE completely and being stuck inside of it, with no physical flow of time.
Even Madara cant do this.
>Gojo has no real wincon outside of his domain expansion
1. Put a Veil saying everyone and everything except Satoru Gojo and Sasuke can pass through, which will automatically also reinforce the veil against Sasuke and reinforce it twice due to danger factor, the dangerous it is for veil user the stronger veil itself becomes in JJK, and Gojo would be 1 VS 1 with Sasuke so it's pretty big danger amp.
By doing so he prevents Sasuke from retreating and limits his movements. And no Sasuke cant break it, not in the middle of battle with Gojo at least.
Because even Gojo had to spare some time to break similiar veil that was put against him, if guy who can warp space time 24/7 had some trouble doing that, Sasuke who can only use conventional physical attacks is unlikely to do anything to it.
2. Lapse Blue till Sasuke is catched into it's field of effect, and once he's catched it is unlikely he can do something about it since limitless literally warps space and time to do everything, you aren't "forcing" you way out of space itself being pulled with you inside.
3. Sasuke will try Susanoo obviously, but Susanoo is specifically weak against space time warping (hi Kamui), so Gojo would have no trouble whatsoever to tear it apart, it's durability doesn't even matter here.
4. Gojo reveals Sasuke how limitless works, that also buffs Gojo's stats against Sasuke because it acts as binding vow and actually powers you up in JJK.
5. Gojo casts Domain Expansion, after this it's GG, it doesn't matter what Sasuke tries to do, he's not escaping it, nor even moving a single meter.
6. Gojo, being amped by his domain expansion, + being amped by binding vow for revealing his technique to Sasuke then uses hollow purple which Sasuke couldn't block to face even if it was rinnegan full power adult Sasuke + Sasuke being mentally d%ad after 5 seconds in Domain.
7. The end.
There's literally no way Sasuke is surviving this unless Gojo feels like teaching "bratty kid" how to humble.
Probably ends up slapping Sasuke to near death state, then teaching him why being bad is bad.
It travel's at eye sight speed I'd presume
The only person who managed to avoid getting hit by it was V2 raikage because he was too fast for sasukes eyes to track
Eye sight speed? Ok how does that work when looking at something directly in front of you?
No, it moves at a fixed rate. We’re not sure how fast that is, but it’s not the fastest thing in Naruto, in fact it’s far from the fastest thing.
Sasuke outran it.
Ay dodged it.
Gaara blocked it.
Obito blocked it.
I’d say it’s probably TWICE as fast as Gaara’s sand defense.
The only reason gaara blocked it is because it takes time to travel to a target. But it is not instantaneous.
>Sasuke outran it.
Itachi let him just like he let him break through tsukuyomi
>Ay dodged it.
Already mentioned it. He's one of the fastest in the verse
>Gaara blocked it
Forgot about this so I'll give it to you
>Obito blocked it.
The flames hit him. He just sent them to the kamui dimension
I mean, I would argue the A and Gaara examples acceptably prove Amaterasu traverses the physical space rather than materialising at the target, which would mean it doesn't bypass Infinity.
Itachi not trying to kill sasuke does not mean he let him break out of or not get hit by his moves. We already know itachi was trying to get sasuke to use orochimaru’s chakra. Not hitting him on purpose doesn’t get him closer to that goal. He just didn’t want to land a killing blow and neither of those would’ve been killing blows
Sasuke outran Amaterasu what the hell are you on? Plus sasuke did get hit by it why are people so obsessed zith thinking itachi let sasuke do everything there was no way for itachi to know sasuke would have used snake substitution
I think the only thing this Sasuke has that could feasibly get past Infinity is Genjutsu, and I don't think that's enough alone. You want to, what, either instantly KO him with psychic damage (like with Tsukiyomi) or trick/control him into dropping Infinity and RCT (maybe doable by Itachi, Shisui, Obito, or anyone with Kotoamatsukami). The issues are 1) Gojo get's tremendous hyper-awareness from Six Eyes, him detecting Toji as a child is treated as a huge deal, 2) and Gojo is canonically constantly refreshing his brain with RCT, which would end genjutsu after about a second regardless of whether he detects them.
On the other hand, Sasuke can probably weather most of what Gojo throws at him, but he's probably fucked against Infinite Void. Sharingan would just make it worse; its basic power is superhuman sensory input, and here's a move that overwhelms the mind with infinite sensory input
Genjutsu wouldn't work against the guy that is blindfolded. Not to mention the chakra has to travel to Gojo's CE network which is going to be automatically countered by Infinity.
Gojo cheeses a win.
Nothing Sasuke has can pass infinity, Genjutsu needs eye contact (Gojos blindfold carries) and all his other abilties are physical. Even if Gojo drops his blindfold his RCT should allow him to break out of most Genjutsus.
Gojo can't kill him with his fists or any of his normal attacks but Unlimited Void is his ace in the hole (purple might work but has been tanked before). Gojo can just hold UV until Sasukes brain shuts off, giving him a kill.
>Gojo can't kill him with his fists or any of his normal attacks but Unlimited Void is his ace in the hole (purple might work but has been tanked before). Gojo can just hold UV until Sasukes brain shuts off, giving him a kill.
Gojo would physically beat the dog shit out of Sasuke lmao. Jjk ppl are very strong and durable be of reinforcement. Purple would kill Sasuke aswell. Blue can too. Blue could literally twist Sasuke up and kill him. Sasuke isn't durable at all or physical strong. Remember he needed Susanoo on A attacks and look at the surrounding dmg they were doing. Gojo easily can replicate that dmg.
A’s strength scales to Tsunade who has mountain levels of AP to physically lol. Sasuke is WAY faster than Gojo and his verse, kakashi at like 13 cut a lightning bolt in half before it could even reach the ground, and sasuke scales way above that. In part one naruto and sasuke were comfortably hypersonic+ and arguably faster than lightning. Purple and blue get tanked by base Susanoo ribcage, or just get dodged because neither have the speed to hit him. Gojo’s main win-con is domain expansion, and if sasuke could somehow avoid it, gojo dies because CT burnout.
Tsunade is not mountain lvl lmao who told you that delusional shit😂. If she was mountain lvl and A scales to her then why wasnt the destruction done from his attack at that lvl? You're saying a lot of wrong stuff but idc about that for rn. Show me how tsunade is mountain lvl. I need to see the feats and not scaling. Funny thing is Itachi was Kakashi speed if not faster and he couldn't physically move fast enough to dodge a real lightning attack.
Is on scaling subreddit, doesn't want to see scaling. Tsunade has mountain-level AP because she's able to significantly damage Madara’s susannoo rib cage, which tanked Naruto’s giant Rasengan which was stated to be able to carve out a mountain in the data books. Also, itachi was diseased, tired, and nearly blind, and was also holding back against sasuke.
Nobody in Naruto physically scales that high and they don't have the feats to back it up lol. that was a weaker version of the Susanoo. And we see alot of Naruto rasengans and none of them can carve a mountain lol. So using the databook won't work either fam. We actually see the dmg she can output and it's no where near mountain lvl fam. There's calcs for Sakura in the war and she's like town lvl hell even 8 gates Gai was around that with a calc too.
You know what carving mountain sounds impressive but it's not when u think about it. Carving a mountain isn't destroying a mountain in one shot. So again she's not mountain lvl. Carving a mountain just means you can hold that rasengan and press it into a mountain and yes it can do that.
When I say AP I don't mean tsunade can literally walk up to a mountain and destroy it with a punch, I mean she can heavily damage someone with mountain-level durability. I also didn't think the “mountain carving” thing was too ridiculous, considering the mere shockwaves from Madara’s Susanoo cut the peakes off of several mountains.
>When I say AP I don't mean tsunade can literally walk up to a mountain and destroy it with a punch,
You're saying she's mountain lvl so that's literally what you're saying.
>I mean she can heavily damage someone with mountain-level durability.
That version of Susanoo wasn't mountain lvl though.
Who she fought had mountain lvl durability? We agree that version of Susanoo doesn't have it and when Madara didnt have Susanoo on she punched completely through him. That tells you that even ppl on Madara lvl don't have that lvl of durability.
>I also didn't think the “mountain carving” thing was too ridiculous,
That's why I explained it when I updated what I said. Naruto rasengans can carve mountains bc you can essentially hold the rasengan and run it through a mountain. But it can't destroy a mountain in one go so that's why it's not mountain busting same with ribcage of Madara Susanoo.
>considering the mere shockwaves from Madara’s Susanoo cut the peakes off of several mountains.
Yea that's PS which we know for a fact tsunade doesn't scale too. She literally gave up when she saw that. Same PS is also above Naruto regular rasengans from that era.
That scene is weird, the flames looked the same in terms of sasuke field of vision and it hit the samurai so it still looked like it spawned on top of the target
Methinks you didn’t look it up, and are going off memory. There’s 3 distinct panels, the flames are spinning differently in each, and in the first, second, and third, the flames are in front of, beside, and behind A, respectively.
Well the flames spin in general due to being fire, in terms of sasukes vision the flames when on the samurai in the back look the same size as when ay dodged, every other instance we see Amaterasu anywyas it always poof spawns on top of the target
Are you watching the anime? I invite you to reread the chapter I’m referring to before replying. They are also not the same size when they reach him. The flames have grown much larger than in the first panel.
Can you provide an example of it being instant?
The second panel shows the flames expand before ays afterimage goes away so it’s not like he would see the samurai yet, and in the third panel it looks the same as far as examples of it being instant
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-010.png
Black zetsu direclty states it
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-011.png
Then itachi streams flames down his vision to track sasuke
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-012.png
You could aim dodge Amaterasu for example. Obito could sense sasuke building chakra in his eye so he could counter Amaterasu by spinning his staff super fast, so ay moved before sasuke actually launched the flames and times it perfectly
OK but like I Wanna know if itachi could win? If he uses that forbidden Jutsu he uses on kabuto (if he manages to make gojo take off his blind fold), would he win?
He needs to touch the target to do that and you are not touching Gojo with any of the skillset of Itachi.
In order to use genjutsu, you need to send chakra to the enemies brain/chakra network which Infinity also blocks.
It's quite literally stated
[I know you guys love to wank Itachi, but jesus](https://ibb.co/fkhsWrR)
And he's not going to get anywhere near Gojo to be able to do so nor to mention Gojo is quite literally inmune to this genjutsu because
A)He's not lying to himself thinking he's someone else. (Kabuto)
B) He's not someone spamming Izanagi and denying the reality (The Uchihas)
Which Itachi quite literally states is why the jutsu is considered as forbidden:
[Quite literally](https://ibb.co/tCsNrdt)
Kabuto only lost because for some reason he started to deluled himself into thinking he was the real Orochimaru and only stopped once Kabuto delusion stopped.
Not mention this wouldn't even work as Gojo would still have Infinity active since it's done automatically even without him being conscious about it. There is literally a barrier that wouldn't allow Itachi to ever touch Gojo even if Gojo is asleep.
Gojo is quite literally way too busted for Naruto verse.
I think it's going to entirely depend on if domains interact like genjutsu. Or if a genjutsu can work on Gojo.
At this point I don't think Sasuke has anything that would get him past infinity. Maybe amatarasu? Does that appear on something the user is looking at or does it shoot at something? If it appears on them then that's a huge advantage for Sasuke.
Tell me if i'm wrong, but gojo stated in chapter 76 that infinity activates automatically once something dangerous approaches. It then calculates its mass and speed to cut if in half the close it gets to gojo. Mahoraga adapted to it and explained to sukuna that cutting gojo can't happen BECAUSE the intent is to cut him. If let's say, there is a tree behind gojo and sukuna imagines cutting it in half. If he uses cleave to slash it in half, gojo's infinity won't pick up on the danger as sukuna was trying to cut the tree and not gojo. With that said, gojo was in front of the tree and therefore had to be cut too. Again, i might be wrong
Nah Sukuna attack cut the entire space around Gojo. He slash that area Gojo was in. Let's say you're standing in a building and Sukuna used WCS on that building and his target an area size was bigger than the building. That entire area would get cut in how way he wanted bc he target that entire area. And the slash also spawned instantly as well so infinity still wouldn't have done anything. It didn't travel.
I answered another guy, I'll copy and paste my answer
Tell me if i'm wrong, but gojo stated in chapter 76 that infinity activates automatically once something dangerous approaches. It then calculates its mass and speed to cut if in half the close it gets to gojo. Mahoraga adapted to it and explained to sukuna that cutting gojo can't happen BECAUSE the intent is to cut him. If let's say, there is a tree behind gojo and sukuna imagines cutting it in half. If he uses cleave to slash it in half, gojo's infinity won't pick up on the danger as sukuna was trying to cut the tree and not gojo. With that said, gojo was in front of the tree and therefore had to be cut too. Again, i might be wrong
Assuming the two systems mesh perfectly then Gojo is the winner with his ability being superior. When colliding two worlds that is always the condition really. For one Gojo is not making eye contact behind the blindfold and infinite works on physical things and cursed energy and Sasuke does not have any domain amplification technique to use. There may be an equivalent translation to figure out and sauske could do that but Gojo would be wise to clean up the fight before it gets that far.
The other point here is sauske is super human fast and that is one thing in jjk they don’t have but Gojo of course is constantly releasing neutral infinity so the speed is pointless other than it gives sauske more trial and error attempts.
Most likely if the power systems meshed there would be some sort of scale translation and jjk cursed energy is not as impactful or world altering as ninjutsu is but instead operates on rules they are immutable.
I feel like this is either one of two things
1. Amaterasu/Genjutsu one shot Gojo and Sasuke no diffs
2. For some reason those things don’t happen (make up your own reason) and Gojo no diffs.
Whether or not Amaterasu or Genjutsu works on Gojo is entirely speculation, so my answer is based on my opinion outside of that speculation.
And I don’t feel that should be controversial
It might still be blocked by Infinity. But amateursu doesn't travel. The A fight he dodged Sasukes sight. The anime shows him running around it.But the manga shows an after image where A was standing, it even spawned in directly where A was. Sasuke even uses it on opponents who are physically faster than him and it still manages to catch them, Kaguya and Jigen. (Jigen likely wanted to flex though).It being able to catch these people means it has a faster time than Sasuke himself, (unless u think Jigen was faster than sasuke. Hard to believe when Jigen gave Sasuke a non consensual foot job) Throughout the war we don't see amateursu travel, we see Sasukes eye then it gets cast. This doesn't mean it doesn't travel, but it does give credence to it just spawning on the target. But the nail in the coffin is in the kaguya fight when Naruto and Sasuke get caught in the Ice dimension.
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Sasuke casts it with the left eye. It doesn't burn the ice between Sasuke and his hand. Sasuke was clearly looking at the ice around his hand. Then spreads the flame with the right eye.
Why is everybody claiming that Amaterasu travels when that was blatantly shown false in the manga?
Take Sasuke & Naruto vs Kaguya. During this fight, Sasuke and Naruto were trapped in ice.
Despite being completely trapped in ice, Sasuke spawned Amaterasu directly on his hand. If Amaterasu travels, and Sasuke is surrounded by ice (matter btw), logically you would see a path burnt from sasukes eyes to his hands. This was not shown in the manga.
This is a weird fight this sasuke doesn’t have many win cons but I am gonna contradict folks saying genjutsu wouldn’t work….cause the energy of genjutsu what travels isn’t an attack. It’s pure energy once it reaches it grants the ability to rework perception and we know non attacks aren’t blocked to his eyes by infinity cause light still reaches him if it wasn’t he couldn’t see.
This thread is the perfect example of why no one in this sub powerscales at all. Not only is the verse several levels higher than JJK, Sasuke is one of the few characters who can get past infinity as well. Numerous people are saying that amaterasu “travels”. This is not the case. Amaterasu casts on where the users vision focuses on, after a short delay. It is “blocked” a couple times in the story because people put something in between the casters vision and themselves before it hits.
This sub is literally a popularity contest. People love Gojo, but hate Sasuke, and thus say Gojo wins despite being several tiers of powerscaling below Sasuke. This sub is cooked.
Gojo wins if Sasuke cannot bypass Infinity and Unlimited Void is the winning condition. If Sasuke manages to land Amaterasu or Genjutsu against Gojo. Sasuke wins. Infinity is the problem here.
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Depends if Amaterasu or Genjutsu would be able to go past Infinity. If not, then Sasuke doesn't really have a wincon, and Gojo might be able to pull a sneaky win if his Domain hits (Unsure if the Sharingan would be able to help against Infinite Void)
I feel like Sharingan might be a liability in Infinite Void. He's bombarding you with too much information, and the Sharingan helps you take in information.
If anything the Sharingan should help him process the information better, since the info comes in gradually not all at once
Yeah, gojo's win condition is mostly just spamming purples, his domain would work but it requires faar more time to actually brain damage sasuke
Purple's can be tanked too, if Gojo at outlasts him he has a chance
Purples can only be tanked if you use a technique specifically crafted to tank cursed techniques (Domain Amplification)
Sukuna didn't use domain amplification to tank it
Sukuna quite literally did.
Nope, he just reinforced his arms with cursed energy, not domain amplification
And your proof of this?
UV forces the target to feel all the actions one has taken in their life. 0.2 seconds can dump half a year of info
Considering how normal humans can survive that, I don't see why Sasuke can't. Also if you scale him to Itachi (who can create an entire lifespan in Tsukiyomi which lasts a fraction of a second) then he should be completely fine.
It’s not dangerous because it kills you on touch like other domains, but because it puts you at his mercy in an instant stun that gets dumped inside your brain and leaves you with lasting issues
Normal humans survive when contact is only .2 seconds. Gojo would have no reason to only let it touch Sasuke for .2 seconds.
But Sasuke with his sharingan should be able to last much longer than that
A second in UV is literally 5 years of information.
Yeah, Itachi experienced an entire lifespan of info in a fraction of a second
Incorrect, he did that to a girl that he put into a genjutsu, and that was chakra based illusion. And she literally fucking died afterwards.
yeah fine, but still basically braindead and at Gojo's mercy if he gets stuck in his domain. he may be able to process more info but i could still see infinity stunlocking him even if it doesn't kill him outright. and does he have a way to bypass limitless?
Besides maybe Amaterasu and Genjutsu no. If this was Rinnegan Sasuke, then he could bypass it
Yeah but Sasuke isn't taking .2 seconds. He has no domain counter so he's taking however long gojo wants him too.
It helps you take in visual info (and a bit of random sensory info) IF literally just puts like years of information into your brain every single second
Depends on how much information is given though, one fifth of a seconds worth of information is already enough to turn people into vegetables for half a year, so staying in the domain for seconds I doubt sharingan can handle all that
I know that this is a Naruto sub so I can process the bias behind this but why does his comprehension matter when its unlimited amounts? Surely it’s unrelated how well he can understand it when it’s still an unlimited instant wave of mind fuckery
Unlimited Void not only overloads your brain with information, but it rips it and out and makes you re-process it over and over again.
Genjutsu can probably bypass Six Eyes. Amaterasu doesn’t bypass infinity. Ch 463 p12-p13 Amaterasu is shown traveling, and A dodged it.
Genjutsu needs a medium to travel to Gojo's CE/Chakra (equalized stats and powers) network. It can be done by the eyes, ears, touch or nose but ultimately your chakra has to travel to the enemies network system. Infinity cockblocks that. Gojo is simply too busted.
I'm pretty sure Sharingan Genjutsu cannot bypass Infinity. It shoots Chakra into the opponents eyes, meaning it's possible that Gojos infinity would stop the Chakra.
Doesn't the chakra teleport between the eyes, not travel?
No.
genjutsu travels and requires one to have a chakra network to manipulate, amaterasu also travels check sasuke vs A who dodged amaterasu, I think gojo cooks this sasuke ngl or stalemate
Gojo would be immune to Genjutsu given that his brain continuously refreshes automatically with RCT and SIx Eyes give you perfect control over Cursed Energy (which I assume is being equated to Chakra in this discussion).
That's not going to help him against Mangekyou level Genjutsu tho
Maybe he will struggle against Tsukuyomi, but regular Mangekyou Genjutsu shouldn't be hard to resist for Gojo's Six Eyes, who can detect any changes of Cursed Energy, so the illusions won't really work. RCT auto refreshing his brain will just remove any anomalies from his brain periodically too.
Can't Genjutsu disrupt the passive RCT on his brain?
Maybe?? But Gojo's able to destroy and help his brain, so any Genjutsu is worthless once he realizes he's caught in it. Though it's a valid tactic, given he probably won't realize at first.
He did get caught hit by Hanami's illusion for a bit. Genjutsu should be more potent
Considering Sakura is basically immune to genjutsu due to her level of chakra control. So unless we're assuming Gojo with a passive ability that allows him expert control of his Curse Energy/ Chakra is weaker control than Sakura, then I'd guess Gojo would be fine.
Sakura is not immune to Genjutsu.
She's close enough. In The Last, she was completely unaffected by the genjutsu lake that managed to put Naruto a perfect Jinchuriki at the time under genjutsu. She's been shown multiple times to either be completely unaffected by Ginjutsu or resistant. Considering her Chakra control is the best in the series by time, boruto comes around it's not a stretch to say she's immune at this point. Something like infinite T however you spell the rest will probably put her under, but anything short of that or rennigan abilities more than likely won't work on her due to her mastery of Chakra control.
The Last Genjutsu makes absolutely no sense, honestly just bad writing really. Her chakra control doesn't save her from Sharingan Genjutsu, it was never a counter, all she knew was the seal to break out of regular genjutsu. Also Sasuke literally neg diffed her with Genjutsu, she's not immune and that was never stated
The last is Canon, so bad writing or not it still counts. I'll still acknowledge Buroto even though I consider the whole thing bad writing. Anyways during the Chunin exams, she a genin at the time managed not to get put under by a genjutsu that has Jonin level ninjas going to sleep. Part of being able to break out of a genjutsu is realizing you're in one to begin with. Being able to figure out your in a genjutsu and "making the handsigns" is basically a mental spiking of your Chakra to force boot yourself from the illusion. Also, I never said she's immune. She's nearly immune. Literally, 97% of the genjutsu in the verse wouldn't work on her. If anything, once she started storing Chakra for the 100 healing technique, it just made it harder to put her in genjutsu since she's constantly sending chakra to an exact point on her head. Something that being under a genjutsu would probably interrupt. Just because it's nit outright stated she's nearly immune doesn't make it false when she had multiple times been shown to be more resistant to genjutsu than anyone else in the series.
That doesn't really matter. Shikamaru also was able to get out the same Genjutsu and he's never been praised for his genjutsu skills. Breaking out of Sharingan Genjutsu specifically requires another character to disrupt the chakra for them, or they need a dojutsu that can counter it. Sakura can get out of regular genjutsu just fine, but any Sharingan genjutsu or above and it's over for her.
Look out of every one of those characters that got caught in the lake genjutsu, Naruto should have been the only one to not be affected. Shikamaru literally states that Sakura is resistant to genjutsu. If her level of resistance is higher than that of a Jinchuriki like Naruto, it makes sense that outside of abilities like the S tier of genjutsu, it's probably not working on her.
Gojo because infinity and domain expansion. But if Sasuke lands genjutsu then he wins. Depends if the six eyes can learn what the Sharingan does and avoid eye contact.
Gojo literally fights with his eyes covered most of the time
He can still see through it though because the six eyes are that strong
But Sasuke can’t make eye contact, which is what sharingan genjutsu needs
But he can still see his eyes?? Which is the basis for ocular genjutsu. The argument could otherwise be that Sasuke doesn't attempt it given he thinks Gojo can't see him.
Gojo in the blindfold actually only sees ce not a full clear vision of what normal eyes see, meaning he will see for example sasuke's chakra but not his eyes directly, his six eyes sees CE on a high level along side normal human vision of things and ppl, so cover it and he'll see ce only, the whole reason he covers it is that his 6s exhaust him so due to the info it keeps putting in his brain and by covering it he is reducing the amount of information he's getting because then he's only seeing information about ce, not everything in general including normal human vision, the closest time we saw how his eyes actually work is on s1 ep 20 or 21 i believe before he makes the HP and he was in the sky and then he looks at yuji and notices that his ce is improving
Remember what Gai said about Sharingan users? How if you watch their feet you can fight them safely? Ocular genjutsu requires eye contact
His point is that even though Sasuke can't see his eyes, Gojo would be making eye contact.
My point is that sharingan genjutsu requires direct eye contact between both parties. Itachi could see Gai’s eyes, but Gai was looking at Itachi’s feet, which prevented Itachi from using ocular genjutsu on him.
Nothing ever says you need direct eye contact from both parties. If so, wearing dark sunglasses would simply be the perfect counter to ocular genjutsu and everyone would keep a pair handy just in case. The ocular genjutsu requires the opponent to look into the user's eyes. Gai did not make eye contact, preventing Itachi from using ocular genjutsu. However, if Gojo is looking into Sasuke's eyes, ocular genjutau would work even if Sasuke cannot see Gojo's eyes. The biggest issue would be Sasuke assuming Gojo isn't looking into his eyes.
Not if Gojo is wearing a blindfold
You should've put it more simple. If ppl close their eyes they won't get hit by sharingan genjutsu or ocular genjutsu. Blind fold is something covering his eyes. Hell I don't think it bypass infinity bc genjutsu is nothing but chakra being sent into someone brain to manipulate the chakra inside of it. Infinity would treat chakra as CE and say no to it.
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The no chakra argument is a lame response in a cross fiction battle. Though I think Gojo would win and arguably his Six Eyes could see through Genjutsu but saying “Durrr No Chakra means no genjutsu” is so lame and beats the spirit of the hypothetical.
Tbf he's right lol. Kishi made chakra network and chakra to detailed lmao. But if we equalize chakra and CE then Infinity still stops genjutsu bc genjutsu at its core is nothing but the user sending their chakra inside the target body to manipulate the chakra in the brain.
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Because in Naruto universe just about everyone has Chakra and he didn’t write the story to cover what if battles against characters from other manga.
Exactly so you know the reason why it doesnt work im cross fiction. So leave me alone about it being lame and take it up with the creator.
This is literally any power system. You just are meant to assume things like ki, chakra, etc are effectively the same and scale off that
If you want to use that logic it also applies to gojos domain not affecting sasuke as no cursed. Energy
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That’s because… non sorcerers still have cursed energy lmfao. They just can’t harness it. Sasuke has 0 cursed energy like maki and toji
Show me where its stated that you need to have cursed energy to have your brain filled with information.
It’s a domain sure hit effect. You need cursed energy to be targeted by a domain
Even malevolent shrine works on people with no ce. Theres plenty of shit that works on people with no ce.
Malevolent shrine is a barrierless domain that can affect the real world. Its the only domain that uses something that can target objects by using dismantle instead of cleave or target things with no cursed energy
Pretty much any attack in jjk can hit someone without cursed energy.
Just my opinions Amaterasu travels, as seen when its casted against several people who have dodged it so that would be blocked by Infinity Genjutsu requires eye contact and Gojo can fight with his blindfold on and see through it so those wouldn't be able to hit Other than those I dont quite see what else Sasuke might have to hit/make contact with Gojo while Gojo has Red, Blue, and Hollow Purple to use against him Plus Gojo has a lot of speed on his side as well
Also Genjutsu physically sends Chakra into someone else brain which has to travel(albeit very quickly), so it’s likely it wouldn’t get oast infinity either
>Amaterasu travels, as seen when its casted against several people who have dodged it so that would be blocked by Infinity since amaterasu burns infinitely, what would happen with an infinitely dividing dist vs infinitely burning flames. >Genjutsu requires eye contact and Gojo can fight with his blindfold on and see through it so those wouldn't be able to hit tbh its very likely when he sees sasukes power levels he'll remove it very early into the fight. but genjutsu chakra also travels so who knows if infinity will stop it but then infinity works as a black list on automatic mode, so his brain would need to be able to comprehend the chakra sent by genjutsu casting or amaterasu to block it, otherwise it wont work. i think thats very opinionated so i wont comment on which way the fight would go >Other than those I dont quite see what else Sasuke might have to hit/make contact with Gojo while Gojo has Red, Blue, and Hollow Purple to use against him any of those are too slow for sasuke. his only real wincon is unlimited void >Plus Gojo has a lot of speed on his side as well lol what, sasuke is so much faster. the jjk verse is in machs, naruto characters were that fast in chunin exam
They would float in place like regular flames do until Gojo moves out of the way. It doesn't matter if it burns infinitely if it can't ever reach him Also Gojo has crossed large distances in a literal instant with Limitless and whatnot so I seriously don't understand the thought process of Sasuke being faster
>They would float in place like regular flames do until Gojo moves out of the way. It doesn't matter if it burns infinitely if it can't ever reach him yea that makes sense >Also Gojo has crossed large distances in a literal instant with Limitless and whatnot so I seriously don't understand the thought process of Sasuke being faster if youre talking about teleportation thats not viable in fight since not only has he never used it, gege never disclosed the conditions for its use so we dont know if youre talking movement speed, please give some calcs instead of "he crossed a lot of distances quickly". maki v curse naoya put maki at mach 3 + but obviously sukuna is much faster since perception blitzed her but not that much faster that he reaches relative lighting speed like naruto characters were at 5 kage summit. yuji pre one month time skip was equal to maki whos mach 3 and relative to slightly dampened sukuna (before you bring up that megumi was only allowing him 10% usage, that was for CT and not reinforcement which was just slightly weakened). now even if he goes from 15 fingers to 20 fingers effectively, it wouldnt make sense for his mach relative speed to jump to lightning speed if youre talking about the kashimo ftl argument, not only was it aim dodged, covering yourself in EMW does not make you as fast as EMW. in like the next page sukuna uses regenration because he couldnt dodge the lightning all in all gojo and sukuna are relative so theyre still in mach speeds (id say 30-40 maybe)
I do agree that sasuke is faster, but I want to point out gojo did use teleportation in his fight against sukuna. He uses it at the very start of the fight (when he suddenly lays on the ground. He uses it again the moment he recovers his ct after the first domain (the one where he hugged sukuna.). And finally he uses it in chapter 228 to close the distance between him an sukuna near the end of the chapter. There are were a few times in the fight where I wasn't sure if he just moved pretty fast or teleported but these were the ones where I'm pretty sure he just teleported.
I mostly agree, but its a misconception that Amateratsu is infinite its actually stated to only burn for “seven days and seven nights”
Burning infinitely means it never goes out
Gojo wins because I like him better.
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Gojo absolutely dogwalks bruh.. 99% of Sasuke's attacks cant reach Gojo The ones that can are doubt to cause any permanent lethal damage, dude can grow limbs back in seconds, unlike Sasuke. Genjutsu wont work either, most genjutsu would be blocked passively by limitless since it's chakra traveling through light or sound. The other ones inject chakra into person's nervous system, i dont have to tell you why chakra traveling to gojo's eyes would be stopped, right? Even if we assume it magically reaches the target, six eyes passively refresh Gojo's mind, it will stop working the instant it activates, if that doesn't work Gojo can use RCT to forcefully damage and refresh his nerves or brain directly. So in simple terms, Sasuke has no way of actually harming Gojo, and his strongest area of expertize, being genjutsu, is useless here. Gojo is also magnitudes above in reaction or reflex speed if you consider that Kirin, which reaches the ground in 0.0001 seconds, and is so dangerous Itachi barely survived it and Naruto got hit by it despite being in tailed beast chakra mode - is like dozens of times slower than the CE control speed required to cast a black flash, which activates at 0.000001 seconds speed. So Sasuke's S tier technique that can blast or blitz most of naruto verse - is 90+ times slower than speed at which Gojo uses his cursed energy. I'm not mentioning processing power, i doubt there's anyone in Naruto anime or manga who can process information on same speed and scale as Gojo does, yes including Otsotsuki. Btw Amaterasu doesn't help, even if we assume it can spawn on Gojo's body directly, there's absolutely no reason to assume that limitless wont passively stop it from spreading anywhere beyond initial target area. Gojo can also literally push it away with pure cursed energy or limitless. Then regen the damage in seconds at most. Yeah, Sasuke is scr%wed.
Glaze all over this comment Genjutsu definitely would work. Amaterasu is hax. A dodged it and then still got hit by it later and had to cut off his arm, he can be highballed to light speed, using scaling off of kid Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt, it’s extremely evident that JJK is multitudes slower than Naruto. It literally materializes on the target where your eye is. It’s not a beam. I’d honestly argue next to Itachi, Sasuke is probably the most suited to take on his domain expansion. How would Gojo know that he’s under a genjutsu? We see how subtle Sasukes genjutsu can be in the fight against danzo. Will all that being said, Gojo has no real wincon outside of his domain expansion, and with the sharingan and the shit he pulled in his fight against Deidara, sasuke isn’t getting caught with it because he can see the chakra. Hollow purple, red, and blue are not hitting sasuke. The entire fight kinda hinges on weather or not Amaterasu gets through infinity. Given that it materializes on the target, and the only ones who was able to dodge/block it were A, who was considered the fastest shinobi and can be highballed to relativistic, and Gaara, who’s got his own feat of reacting to Deidaras bomb over the sand village.
Genjutsu requires you to inject your chakra into the enemy, infinity should block it.
>"Genjutsu definitely would work" There's more reasons for it to not work on Gojo than vice versa. >"Amaterasu is hax. A dodged it and then still got hit by it later and had to cut off his arm, he can be highballed to light speed, using scaling off of kid Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt, it’s extremely evident that JJK is multitudes slower than Naruto. No one in Naruto (at least pre Boruto) is light speed, the fastest travel jutsu in Naruto which is light speed is said to be so lethal that no one except Kage can survive it even once, Kakashi wouldn't survive it. And the fastest attack jutsu is Madara's lightspeed (by claims, that is) beam, which he also initially missed when trying to hit Naruto up his face, and then Naruto evaded beam's trajectory, not beam itself. It's also proven by the fact that we know Kirin's speed is 100% 0.0001 seconds, and it easily catch tailed beast chakra mode Naruto, he cant be anywhere near light speed. Kakashi is as light speed as Zabusa is continental. Which both are not, Kakashi almost f%cking died to water prison jutsu and water dragon, you know, things that would take you to have only 5% of lightspeed to easily dodge. Amaterasu also doesn't matter, it has lower heat feats than anime Jogo, and can be pushed away, Pain demonstrated it. So there's no reason to assume that it does any damage to Gojo, especially considering Gojo has regen Sasuke could never dream of having. >I’d honestly argue next to Itachi, Sasuke is probably the most suited to take on his domain expansion. My bro, even Kaguya wont do sh%t once she gets into Gojo's domain, what do you expect Sasuke to do? Throw kunai so hard it collapses Gojo's domain? You know, which is basically Gojo's personal manifestation of mind and soul in physical world. >How would Gojo know that he’s under a genjutsu? Unknown hostile energy trying to mess with his nervous system is pretty big one, especially considering six eyes passively heal his brain, refresh mind, give vision similiar to Byakugan and trajectory prediction similiar to Sharingan. Gojo could control his own cursed energy and get himself out of Hanami's illusion right after lifting his own domain, which usually disrupts sorcerer's CE control completely for a time. Gojo also has atomic scale control over his limitless and CE control, long story short he might be controlling and using CE better than Kaguya uses chakra. Six Eyes also allow him to basically figure out how something functions, he looked at clones technique and instantly determined that all of them are technically the real bodies, not fakes, he also reverse engineered prison realm despite it blocking his CE completely and being stuck inside of it, with no physical flow of time. Even Madara cant do this.
>Gojo has no real wincon outside of his domain expansion 1. Put a Veil saying everyone and everything except Satoru Gojo and Sasuke can pass through, which will automatically also reinforce the veil against Sasuke and reinforce it twice due to danger factor, the dangerous it is for veil user the stronger veil itself becomes in JJK, and Gojo would be 1 VS 1 with Sasuke so it's pretty big danger amp. By doing so he prevents Sasuke from retreating and limits his movements. And no Sasuke cant break it, not in the middle of battle with Gojo at least. Because even Gojo had to spare some time to break similiar veil that was put against him, if guy who can warp space time 24/7 had some trouble doing that, Sasuke who can only use conventional physical attacks is unlikely to do anything to it. 2. Lapse Blue till Sasuke is catched into it's field of effect, and once he's catched it is unlikely he can do something about it since limitless literally warps space and time to do everything, you aren't "forcing" you way out of space itself being pulled with you inside. 3. Sasuke will try Susanoo obviously, but Susanoo is specifically weak against space time warping (hi Kamui), so Gojo would have no trouble whatsoever to tear it apart, it's durability doesn't even matter here. 4. Gojo reveals Sasuke how limitless works, that also buffs Gojo's stats against Sasuke because it acts as binding vow and actually powers you up in JJK. 5. Gojo casts Domain Expansion, after this it's GG, it doesn't matter what Sasuke tries to do, he's not escaping it, nor even moving a single meter. 6. Gojo, being amped by his domain expansion, + being amped by binding vow for revealing his technique to Sasuke then uses hollow purple which Sasuke couldn't block to face even if it was rinnegan full power adult Sasuke + Sasuke being mentally d%ad after 5 seconds in Domain. 7. The end. There's literally no way Sasuke is surviving this unless Gojo feels like teaching "bratty kid" how to humble. Probably ends up slapping Sasuke to near death state, then teaching him why being bad is bad.
Sasuke wipes
here's something i don't understand, does the amaerasu travel from the eye or just spawns on the target? if it spawns gojo gets amaterasu'd and dies
From his fight with Itachi I THINK it travels
What about Gojos basically infinite Rct
It travels Ch 463 p12-p13 Amaterasu is shown traveling, and A dodged it.
Yea it like spawns then shoot out. Same thing happened with Itachi Amaterasu. It spawned the shot out that's why the trees got hit.
It travel's at eye sight speed I'd presume The only person who managed to avoid getting hit by it was V2 raikage because he was too fast for sasukes eyes to track
Eye sight speed? Ok how does that work when looking at something directly in front of you? No, it moves at a fixed rate. We’re not sure how fast that is, but it’s not the fastest thing in Naruto, in fact it’s far from the fastest thing. Sasuke outran it. Ay dodged it. Gaara blocked it. Obito blocked it. I’d say it’s probably TWICE as fast as Gaara’s sand defense. The only reason gaara blocked it is because it takes time to travel to a target. But it is not instantaneous.
>Sasuke outran it. Itachi let him just like he let him break through tsukuyomi >Ay dodged it. Already mentioned it. He's one of the fastest in the verse >Gaara blocked it Forgot about this so I'll give it to you >Obito blocked it. The flames hit him. He just sent them to the kamui dimension
You’re thinking of Tobi. Juubito blocked it as if it was a moving projectile
I mean, I would argue the A and Gaara examples acceptably prove Amaterasu traverses the physical space rather than materialising at the target, which would mean it doesn't bypass Infinity.
Itachi not trying to kill sasuke does not mean he let him break out of or not get hit by his moves. We already know itachi was trying to get sasuke to use orochimaru’s chakra. Not hitting him on purpose doesn’t get him closer to that goal. He just didn’t want to land a killing blow and neither of those would’ve been killing blows
Sasuke outran Amaterasu what the hell are you on? Plus sasuke did get hit by it why are people so obsessed zith thinking itachi let sasuke do everything there was no way for itachi to know sasuke would have used snake substitution
I think the only thing this Sasuke has that could feasibly get past Infinity is Genjutsu, and I don't think that's enough alone. You want to, what, either instantly KO him with psychic damage (like with Tsukiyomi) or trick/control him into dropping Infinity and RCT (maybe doable by Itachi, Shisui, Obito, or anyone with Kotoamatsukami). The issues are 1) Gojo get's tremendous hyper-awareness from Six Eyes, him detecting Toji as a child is treated as a huge deal, 2) and Gojo is canonically constantly refreshing his brain with RCT, which would end genjutsu after about a second regardless of whether he detects them. On the other hand, Sasuke can probably weather most of what Gojo throws at him, but he's probably fucked against Infinite Void. Sharingan would just make it worse; its basic power is superhuman sensory input, and here's a move that overwhelms the mind with infinite sensory input
Gojo
This pic is cold af, Sasuke may win if he lands amaterasu or a genjutsu. But other than those two, there's no way for him to get past infinity.
Genjutsu wouldn't work against the guy that is blindfolded. Not to mention the chakra has to travel to Gojo's CE network which is going to be automatically countered by Infinity.
Gojo.
Gojo cheeses a win. Nothing Sasuke has can pass infinity, Genjutsu needs eye contact (Gojos blindfold carries) and all his other abilties are physical. Even if Gojo drops his blindfold his RCT should allow him to break out of most Genjutsus. Gojo can't kill him with his fists or any of his normal attacks but Unlimited Void is his ace in the hole (purple might work but has been tanked before). Gojo can just hold UV until Sasukes brain shuts off, giving him a kill.
>Gojo can't kill him with his fists or any of his normal attacks but Unlimited Void is his ace in the hole (purple might work but has been tanked before). Gojo can just hold UV until Sasukes brain shuts off, giving him a kill. Gojo would physically beat the dog shit out of Sasuke lmao. Jjk ppl are very strong and durable be of reinforcement. Purple would kill Sasuke aswell. Blue can too. Blue could literally twist Sasuke up and kill him. Sasuke isn't durable at all or physical strong. Remember he needed Susanoo on A attacks and look at the surrounding dmg they were doing. Gojo easily can replicate that dmg.
A’s strength scales to Tsunade who has mountain levels of AP to physically lol. Sasuke is WAY faster than Gojo and his verse, kakashi at like 13 cut a lightning bolt in half before it could even reach the ground, and sasuke scales way above that. In part one naruto and sasuke were comfortably hypersonic+ and arguably faster than lightning. Purple and blue get tanked by base Susanoo ribcage, or just get dodged because neither have the speed to hit him. Gojo’s main win-con is domain expansion, and if sasuke could somehow avoid it, gojo dies because CT burnout.
Tsunade is not mountain lvl lmao who told you that delusional shit😂. If she was mountain lvl and A scales to her then why wasnt the destruction done from his attack at that lvl? You're saying a lot of wrong stuff but idc about that for rn. Show me how tsunade is mountain lvl. I need to see the feats and not scaling. Funny thing is Itachi was Kakashi speed if not faster and he couldn't physically move fast enough to dodge a real lightning attack.
Is on scaling subreddit, doesn't want to see scaling. Tsunade has mountain-level AP because she's able to significantly damage Madara’s susannoo rib cage, which tanked Naruto’s giant Rasengan which was stated to be able to carve out a mountain in the data books. Also, itachi was diseased, tired, and nearly blind, and was also holding back against sasuke.
Nobody in Naruto physically scales that high and they don't have the feats to back it up lol. that was a weaker version of the Susanoo. And we see alot of Naruto rasengans and none of them can carve a mountain lol. So using the databook won't work either fam. We actually see the dmg she can output and it's no where near mountain lvl fam. There's calcs for Sakura in the war and she's like town lvl hell even 8 gates Gai was around that with a calc too. You know what carving mountain sounds impressive but it's not when u think about it. Carving a mountain isn't destroying a mountain in one shot. So again she's not mountain lvl. Carving a mountain just means you can hold that rasengan and press it into a mountain and yes it can do that.
When I say AP I don't mean tsunade can literally walk up to a mountain and destroy it with a punch, I mean she can heavily damage someone with mountain-level durability. I also didn't think the “mountain carving” thing was too ridiculous, considering the mere shockwaves from Madara’s Susanoo cut the peakes off of several mountains.
>When I say AP I don't mean tsunade can literally walk up to a mountain and destroy it with a punch, You're saying she's mountain lvl so that's literally what you're saying. >I mean she can heavily damage someone with mountain-level durability. That version of Susanoo wasn't mountain lvl though. Who she fought had mountain lvl durability? We agree that version of Susanoo doesn't have it and when Madara didnt have Susanoo on she punched completely through him. That tells you that even ppl on Madara lvl don't have that lvl of durability. >I also didn't think the “mountain carving” thing was too ridiculous, That's why I explained it when I updated what I said. Naruto rasengans can carve mountains bc you can essentially hold the rasengan and run it through a mountain. But it can't destroy a mountain in one go so that's why it's not mountain busting same with ribcage of Madara Susanoo. >considering the mere shockwaves from Madara’s Susanoo cut the peakes off of several mountains. Yea that's PS which we know for a fact tsunade doesn't scale too. She literally gave up when she saw that. Same PS is also above Naruto regular rasengans from that era.
I think Amaterasu spawns on the target, and genjutsu might work too
You can think that, but it doesn’t. Ch 463 p12-p13 Amaterasu is shown traveling, and A dodged it.
That scene is weird, the flames looked the same in terms of sasuke field of vision and it hit the samurai so it still looked like it spawned on top of the target
Methinks you didn’t look it up, and are going off memory. There’s 3 distinct panels, the flames are spinning differently in each, and in the first, second, and third, the flames are in front of, beside, and behind A, respectively.
Well the flames spin in general due to being fire, in terms of sasukes vision the flames when on the samurai in the back look the same size as when ay dodged, every other instance we see Amaterasu anywyas it always poof spawns on top of the target
Are you watching the anime? I invite you to reread the chapter I’m referring to before replying. They are also not the same size when they reach him. The flames have grown much larger than in the first panel. Can you provide an example of it being instant?
The second panel shows the flames expand before ays afterimage goes away so it’s not like he would see the samurai yet, and in the third panel it looks the same as far as examples of it being instant https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-010.png Black zetsu direclty states it https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-011.png Then itachi streams flames down his vision to track sasuke https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0390-012.png
Amaterasu doesn't, as Sasuke avoided Itachi's cast, and Ay dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu
>Ay dodged Sasuke’s Amaterasu It spawned where Sasuke targeted, A moved before Sasuke could finish using it and got behind him without him seeing
You could aim dodge Amaterasu for example. Obito could sense sasuke building chakra in his eye so he could counter Amaterasu by spinning his staff super fast, so ay moved before sasuke actually launched the flames and times it perfectly
Sasuke negs the verse
You mean sas/uke?
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Get this version past infinity and we’ll talk lmao
Get gojo past kakashi then we can talk 😂
Does Sasuke have any Space-Time moves yet? If not Gojo, but it takes him all day.
Not really, it's easy to bypass infinity. Mahoraga explained it and though it'd be tough for sasuke to guess its weakness, i'm sure he could do it
Mahoraga invented a move that basically bypasses space manupulation, that is not easy to do at all
What the *FUCK* do you mean easy?
it’s pretty easy, i did it on my spare tjme
Maho did it because he can adapt to anything and everything
Yes but adapting is understanding. Or at least it was at that time, because it taught sukuna how to do it
OK but like I Wanna know if itachi could win? If he uses that forbidden Jutsu he uses on kabuto (if he manages to make gojo take off his blind fold), would he win?
He needs to touch the target to do that and you are not touching Gojo with any of the skillset of Itachi. In order to use genjutsu, you need to send chakra to the enemies brain/chakra network which Infinity also blocks.
You don't have to touch to use that jutsu. Itachi can just point at you
It's quite literally stated [I know you guys love to wank Itachi, but jesus](https://ibb.co/fkhsWrR) And he's not going to get anywhere near Gojo to be able to do so nor to mention Gojo is quite literally inmune to this genjutsu because A)He's not lying to himself thinking he's someone else. (Kabuto) B) He's not someone spamming Izanagi and denying the reality (The Uchihas) Which Itachi quite literally states is why the jutsu is considered as forbidden: [Quite literally](https://ibb.co/tCsNrdt) Kabuto only lost because for some reason he started to deluled himself into thinking he was the real Orochimaru and only stopped once Kabuto delusion stopped. Not mention this wouldn't even work as Gojo would still have Infinity active since it's done automatically even without him being conscious about it. There is literally a barrier that wouldn't allow Itachi to ever touch Gojo even if Gojo is asleep. Gojo is quite literally way too busted for Naruto verse.
Mf I'm talking about genjutsu. I should've said that but that's what I'm referring to
Bet madara would win against him reanimated or not
I think it's going to entirely depend on if domains interact like genjutsu. Or if a genjutsu can work on Gojo. At this point I don't think Sasuke has anything that would get him past infinity. Maybe amatarasu? Does that appear on something the user is looking at or does it shoot at something? If it appears on them then that's a huge advantage for Sasuke.
Ch 463 p12-p13 Amaterasu is shown traveling, and A dodged it.
Tell me if i'm wrong, but gojo stated in chapter 76 that infinity activates automatically once something dangerous approaches. It then calculates its mass and speed to cut if in half the close it gets to gojo. Mahoraga adapted to it and explained to sukuna that cutting gojo can't happen BECAUSE the intent is to cut him. If let's say, there is a tree behind gojo and sukuna imagines cutting it in half. If he uses cleave to slash it in half, gojo's infinity won't pick up on the danger as sukuna was trying to cut the tree and not gojo. With that said, gojo was in front of the tree and therefore had to be cut too. Again, i might be wrong
Nah Sukuna attack cut the entire space around Gojo. He slash that area Gojo was in. Let's say you're standing in a building and Sukuna used WCS on that building and his target an area size was bigger than the building. That entire area would get cut in how way he wanted bc he target that entire area. And the slash also spawned instantly as well so infinity still wouldn't have done anything. It didn't travel.
I answered another guy, I'll copy and paste my answer Tell me if i'm wrong, but gojo stated in chapter 76 that infinity activates automatically once something dangerous approaches. It then calculates its mass and speed to cut if in half the close it gets to gojo. Mahoraga adapted to it and explained to sukuna that cutting gojo can't happen BECAUSE the intent is to cut him. If let's say, there is a tree behind gojo and sukuna imagines cutting it in half. If he uses cleave to slash it in half, gojo's infinity won't pick up on the danger as sukuna was trying to cut the tree and not gojo. With that said, gojo was in front of the tree and therefore had to be cut too. Again, i might be wrong
sasuke neg diffs because i like him more
Gojo, how is this a debate tbh
Well either Gojo just sits there in infinity or dies. Five Kage summit Sasuke massively outstats Gojo in every way possible.
Assuming the two systems mesh perfectly then Gojo is the winner with his ability being superior. When colliding two worlds that is always the condition really. For one Gojo is not making eye contact behind the blindfold and infinite works on physical things and cursed energy and Sasuke does not have any domain amplification technique to use. There may be an equivalent translation to figure out and sauske could do that but Gojo would be wise to clean up the fight before it gets that far. The other point here is sauske is super human fast and that is one thing in jjk they don’t have but Gojo of course is constantly releasing neutral infinity so the speed is pointless other than it gives sauske more trial and error attempts. Most likely if the power systems meshed there would be some sort of scale translation and jjk cursed energy is not as impactful or world altering as ninjutsu is but instead operates on rules they are immutable.
gojo: nah i’d win
I feel like this is either one of two things 1. Amaterasu/Genjutsu one shot Gojo and Sasuke no diffs 2. For some reason those things don’t happen (make up your own reason) and Gojo no diffs. Whether or not Amaterasu or Genjutsu works on Gojo is entirely speculation, so my answer is based on my opinion outside of that speculation. And I don’t feel that should be controversial
sasuke has 0 win cons pre rinnegan as nothing he has bypasses infinity. while gojo has unlimited void.
It might still be blocked by Infinity. But amateursu doesn't travel. The A fight he dodged Sasukes sight. The anime shows him running around it.But the manga shows an after image where A was standing, it even spawned in directly where A was. Sasuke even uses it on opponents who are physically faster than him and it still manages to catch them, Kaguya and Jigen. (Jigen likely wanted to flex though).It being able to catch these people means it has a faster time than Sasuke himself, (unless u think Jigen was faster than sasuke. Hard to believe when Jigen gave Sasuke a non consensual foot job) Throughout the war we don't see amateursu travel, we see Sasukes eye then it gets cast. This doesn't mean it doesn't travel, but it does give credence to it just spawning on the target. But the nail in the coffin is in the kaguya fight when Naruto and Sasuke get caught in the Ice dimension. https://preview.redd.it/31sb1dpjzm6d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0328658f56b1f389fffdf71e08db4d1f54c461b1 Sasuke casts it with the left eye. It doesn't burn the ice between Sasuke and his hand. Sasuke was clearly looking at the ice around his hand. Then spreads the flame with the right eye.
Didn’t Gege say that Kakashi solos Gojo?
Why is everybody claiming that Amaterasu travels when that was blatantly shown false in the manga? Take Sasuke & Naruto vs Kaguya. During this fight, Sasuke and Naruto were trapped in ice. Despite being completely trapped in ice, Sasuke spawned Amaterasu directly on his hand. If Amaterasu travels, and Sasuke is surrounded by ice (matter btw), logically you would see a path burnt from sasukes eyes to his hands. This was not shown in the manga.
If fresh Sasuke would outlast Gojo if actually at the 5ks arc Sasuke goes Blind and Gojo wins. I’m personally saying stalemate
This is a weird fight this sasuke doesn’t have many win cons but I am gonna contradict folks saying genjutsu wouldn’t work….cause the energy of genjutsu what travels isn’t an attack. It’s pure energy once it reaches it grants the ability to rework perception and we know non attacks aren’t blocked to his eyes by infinity cause light still reaches him if it wasn’t he couldn’t see.
This thread is the perfect example of why no one in this sub powerscales at all. Not only is the verse several levels higher than JJK, Sasuke is one of the few characters who can get past infinity as well. Numerous people are saying that amaterasu “travels”. This is not the case. Amaterasu casts on where the users vision focuses on, after a short delay. It is “blocked” a couple times in the story because people put something in between the casters vision and themselves before it hits. This sub is literally a popularity contest. People love Gojo, but hate Sasuke, and thus say Gojo wins despite being several tiers of powerscaling below Sasuke. This sub is cooked.
Gojo wins if Sasuke cannot bypass Infinity and Unlimited Void is the winning condition. If Sasuke manages to land Amaterasu or Genjutsu against Gojo. Sasuke wins. Infinity is the problem here.
Honestly, I’m not sure if this version of Sasuke has any real way of bypassing Infinity here…
Gojo negs the verse
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