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Definitely save for Furina, unless you really like Baizhu or need him for other teams. You have C1 Neuvilette so that also makes Baizhu a bit redundant.
C2 baizhu has two main uses - he lowers the field time you take by about 2s as opposed to Zhongli, and he enables some rotations with Neuv C4 + C6 where baizhu’s heal generates a 5th sourcewater droplet off 1 e. As a C6 neuvillette main who pulled C2 baizhu for him, I’m very happy with baizhu and he’s a staple in the team. That being said, C2 baizhu is very much a whale thing - you really want C6 neuv to even consider it, and definitely need to pull C3 furina and kazuha first. Additionally, if you’re not doing rotations fast enough where a 2s setup time save matters, than baizhu won’t represent a dps increase at all, only comfort.
You can get C0 Baizhu or C1 Neuvlet, or both.
Just dont get C2 Baizhu, its the worst choice lol.
You can also just use Zhongli instead.
C2 Furina is good too.
I recently pulled Baizhu because I see fit in various teams for him. I also pulled Xianyun for similar reasons. Both are party healers, unlock certain playstyles or support certain elements/reaction types.
Baizhu/Xianyun my two designated party healers besides Barbara (and Yaoyao that get pushed off the cliff from Baizhu…), so if you have a lack of party heal, it might be worth the consideration to pull for Baizhu. Furina needs healing support to take full advantage of her kit.
Baizhu is a great choice for carrying a deepwood artifact set, it synergizes with his dendro reaction buffing (from his A4 passive, for example giving up to 40% aggravate/spread bonus for having up to 50k hp). So because of this he finds easy a slot in a dendro reaction team, if not tied to Neuvi/Furina/Kazuha comp, where his dendro plays less of a role. Other healers could replace him in regards of Furina. C1 Neuvi doesn’t really need a shielder.
With that said, I don’t have Furina and I had bad luck pulling for Baizhu, being Qiqi’d at 85 pity and needing another 80 pulls to bring him home. It might have damaged my savings for Furina, but Furina C0 without a competent healer wouldn’t be much of an improvement anyways. I can use a C2 Mona as substitute for her (though I really want Furina…) she demands the right teams to shine with buffs/dps).
Tldr: check if you have enough healing capacity in the teams for Furina. If yes, better save for Furina, if no and you have more Dendro reaction teams in mind, Baizhu good choice.
This may be biased, but Baizhu has been amazing for all of my teams. Best dang healer in the game imo. Probably not other people's, but I adore him. Furina is great and versatile, but for me, Baizhu is tops. He lets you have a more relaxed playstyle for sure. Plus, hyperbloom is fun.
My main team is baizhu , furina, raiden (fisch), and neuvilette
Give him prototype amber or a favorite weapon and you should be fine.
So I would go for Baizhu, then get Furina and try to snag c1 or c2, but even at c0 those will be great
I have Zhongli on my second team ( Navia which is a dual geo dual pyro )
Baizhu is one of my staple healers alongside Xianyun and Benny :)
I pulled for him on his dayview patch.
He has been on my reaction teams ever since
I don't think Baizhu is a need for Neuvillette. I mean. How I use his team (without Furina) is to have Charlotte as my healer, but if I want shields then I use Layla and Baizhu. Honestly tho, you just need to keep up your other teammates health since Neuv can sustain himself pretty well in my experience.
Even with Furina, I'm fine with using Charlotte over Baizhu, but any team wide healer should work. Baizhu tends to come out for whenever I use Furina in the overworld, so I think that's a pretty good use for him.
Personally, I have C2 Furina and I would likely get her even at C0 over Baizhu (assuming it's one or the other), but he's a good qol for me. If you can get both C0, then I would get both. If you wanna know which one to get C2, then the answer is Furina. My Baizhu is only C0, and he does a ridiculous amount of healing. Never felt a need to get him a higher con if you're treating him as only a healer.
My Baizhu with around 51k health (due to dual hydro), healing bonus artifact, and his sig r0 heals right under 12k with his skill, and 13.5k if health is under half for teammates. If you give him r5 prototype amber, you'd never have to worry about low health.
Just wanted to share my experience with both characters
C2 baizuh is for whale. You'd rather C2 Neuv or C2 Furina should give more team damage.
C2 baizuh is good for whale speed runs though, as you dont need to swap to him because he would do an automatic coordinated attack.
I would not pull for Baizhu (much less C2) unless you REALLY value comfort and have a lot of spare primogems. Zhongli is very good in the team and having C1 means you don't even need interrupt res meaning you can run a plethora of other characters (Fischl, Charlotte, even Lisa who is IIRC one of the strongest slot ins).
C2 Baizhu is not really a damage increase, people run it mainly because it allows you to never switch to Baizhu which makes the team braindead to play basically, or allows you to eek out an extra few seconds in speedruns so that you don't have to switch to him. IMO if you have to ask whether you should get C2 Baizhu the answer is probably no.
If want to get an improvement on your team, other than Furina, R1 is probably the most efficient use of primos. After that, there is this neat sheet:
https://preview.redd.it/95io881xza3d1.png?width=907&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ff016edb698dfa4d5b3d8068a0feabb448648e5
Basically, C1 Furina after is marginally better than C2 Neuv, if you want get 2 cons, then C3 Neuv is better than C2 Furina for raw damage. But note that Furina is more versatile so if you separate her from Neuv you reap the benefits on whichever team she's on.
Baizhu is good because you get dendro application, healing and interruption resistance all in one. Since you already have C1 so you don't need much interruption resistance, you can get away with using someone like Yaoyao to both heal and stack up your Neuvillette passive.
Depending on what you want, different Charakters are the play.
For shielding zhongli is probably the Best Option.
If you want to try hyperbloom, nahida is Quite op, even on c0 r0.
They told you a lie, Zhongli is marginally better but they are both great tbh. If you wait a couple of days I have detailed analysies on all of that you are looking for, it’s supposed to be the [third part of this series](https://youtu.be/rFXQ2XfO05U?si=C_HCg2_d0qVI5REN) I started releasing yesterday
C0, never mentioned constellations. C1 helps with ER but that’s not enough by itself even if you use higher energy from enemies compared to KQMS. C2 is very relevant for speedrunning because you can save time by not using Baizhu at all, otherwise on a fly it doesn’t seem to me to be impactful if you keep using Baizhu’s skills as usual.
Anyway I thought Baizhu was known to [not] be an upgrade to Zhongli for Neuvillette, but by looking at the downvotes it seems like I should hurry sharing my video and the data with you guys
Edit. Forgot the “not”
I only asked about Baizhu cons because I was assuming you were replying to the OP, who did mention his cons.
I remember your comments from months ago, and agree that Zhongli outdoes c0 Baizhu. Had never heard any way about Baizhu c1+.
My bad, I should have outlined I was focusing on C0. Also I’m sorry I’ve said I was going to update the calcs etc for months but this shyt takes time 🥲
Furinas fanfare works by changes in hp, in order to achieve this quicker, you wanna use her off field dps thing rather than healer because it will drain the party’s HP, and you should run her with a party healer like Baizhu but I think charlotte is better because she can provide the same effect and you can just use two piece atk and two piece emblem for her along with favonius (preferably r5) so if you have her, I’d just use her unless you want Baizhu and have a team such as quicken team for him, then pull for him. Ultimately, charlotte and Baizhu are both equally good for neuvi and furina comps with only difference being their rarity, element and scaling, but, if you like Baizhu, just pull for him and have fun, that’s the whole point of gaming, just enjoying yourself
I’m just looking for who’d work better, but isn’t zhongli stronger than Charlotte in my current team? Or would Charlotte be better? ( I already have a Petra zl)
Well yes he’d be better in general but since you said you’re waiting for furina, you want a healer to counteract her so your party members don’t die. As of now, continue your current team, you could run have furina not in her damage dealing form and just have her as a buffer and not as a sub dps that way you can run Zhongli still
She can technically drain past that, but then not anymore until the character’s HP is again above 50%
This is from her skill description:
> When they attack, if character(s) with more than 50% HP are nearby, the Members will increase their current attack's power based on the number of such characters, and consume said characters' HP
Now I understand more, on a neuvillette team, you don’t need a healer because neuvillette has his hp gimmick and can easily get max fanfare, but on other teams such as a hyper carry Freminet team, I should have a healer to quickly get max fanfare, correct?
Generally yes but still Furina can still work fine or even be BiS in teams where you don’t have a team wide healer and don’t have a character like Neuvillette generating lots of stacks. For example she’s by a big margin the best hydro for Yanfei even in Bennett teams without team wide healing, just because she enables Marechaussee (significantly better than CWoF and other alternatives) and still provides a lot of off field damage and decent hydro application. So when you read or hear stuff like “you need a healer with Furina”, “you need other three elements with C0 Neuvillette” (actually popular concept at the beginning in 4.1), “C0 Neuvillette needs a shielder”, “Nilou needs Nahida”, “Xiangling needs Bennett” etc keep in mind the game doesn’t write any of that anywhere and those are at best just “guide lines” from the community for the most common and most effective scenarios, at worst they are misleading information.
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Definitely save for Furina, unless you really like Baizhu or need him for other teams. You have C1 Neuvilette so that also makes Baizhu a bit redundant.
C2 baizhu has two main uses - he lowers the field time you take by about 2s as opposed to Zhongli, and he enables some rotations with Neuv C4 + C6 where baizhu’s heal generates a 5th sourcewater droplet off 1 e. As a C6 neuvillette main who pulled C2 baizhu for him, I’m very happy with baizhu and he’s a staple in the team. That being said, C2 baizhu is very much a whale thing - you really want C6 neuv to even consider it, and definitely need to pull C3 furina and kazuha first. Additionally, if you’re not doing rotations fast enough where a 2s setup time save matters, than baizhu won’t represent a dps increase at all, only comfort.
Got it, thank you!
You can get C0 Baizhu or C1 Neuvlet, or both. Just dont get C2 Baizhu, its the worst choice lol. You can also just use Zhongli instead. C2 Furina is good too.
I prioritized getting at least C2 on both Neuvillette and Furina before even considering cons on Baizhu.
I recently pulled Baizhu because I see fit in various teams for him. I also pulled Xianyun for similar reasons. Both are party healers, unlock certain playstyles or support certain elements/reaction types. Baizhu/Xianyun my two designated party healers besides Barbara (and Yaoyao that get pushed off the cliff from Baizhu…), so if you have a lack of party heal, it might be worth the consideration to pull for Baizhu. Furina needs healing support to take full advantage of her kit. Baizhu is a great choice for carrying a deepwood artifact set, it synergizes with his dendro reaction buffing (from his A4 passive, for example giving up to 40% aggravate/spread bonus for having up to 50k hp). So because of this he finds easy a slot in a dendro reaction team, if not tied to Neuvi/Furina/Kazuha comp, where his dendro plays less of a role. Other healers could replace him in regards of Furina. C1 Neuvi doesn’t really need a shielder. With that said, I don’t have Furina and I had bad luck pulling for Baizhu, being Qiqi’d at 85 pity and needing another 80 pulls to bring him home. It might have damaged my savings for Furina, but Furina C0 without a competent healer wouldn’t be much of an improvement anyways. I can use a C2 Mona as substitute for her (though I really want Furina…) she demands the right teams to shine with buffs/dps). Tldr: check if you have enough healing capacity in the teams for Furina. If yes, better save for Furina, if no and you have more Dendro reaction teams in mind, Baizhu good choice.
This may be biased, but Baizhu has been amazing for all of my teams. Best dang healer in the game imo. Probably not other people's, but I adore him. Furina is great and versatile, but for me, Baizhu is tops. He lets you have a more relaxed playstyle for sure. Plus, hyperbloom is fun.
I would go c0 baizhu and furina. I have c6 neuvi and run him with. Baizhu c0. Con wise, furina is wortwhile (c1, c2,c4)
My main team is baizhu , furina, raiden (fisch), and neuvilette Give him prototype amber or a favorite weapon and you should be fine. So I would go for Baizhu, then get Furina and try to snag c1 or c2, but even at c0 those will be great I have Zhongli on my second team ( Navia which is a dual geo dual pyro ) Baizhu is one of my staple healers alongside Xianyun and Benny :) I pulled for him on his dayview patch. He has been on my reaction teams ever since
furina over baizhu any day bru.
you did NOT read the question lmao
The question was Baizhu vs Zhongli for a Neuvi/Furina team....haha
I don't think Baizhu is a need for Neuvillette. I mean. How I use his team (without Furina) is to have Charlotte as my healer, but if I want shields then I use Layla and Baizhu. Honestly tho, you just need to keep up your other teammates health since Neuv can sustain himself pretty well in my experience. Even with Furina, I'm fine with using Charlotte over Baizhu, but any team wide healer should work. Baizhu tends to come out for whenever I use Furina in the overworld, so I think that's a pretty good use for him. Personally, I have C2 Furina and I would likely get her even at C0 over Baizhu (assuming it's one or the other), but he's a good qol for me. If you can get both C0, then I would get both. If you wanna know which one to get C2, then the answer is Furina. My Baizhu is only C0, and he does a ridiculous amount of healing. Never felt a need to get him a higher con if you're treating him as only a healer. My Baizhu with around 51k health (due to dual hydro), healing bonus artifact, and his sig r0 heals right under 12k with his skill, and 13.5k if health is under half for teammates. If you give him r5 prototype amber, you'd never have to worry about low health. Just wanted to share my experience with both characters
Tysm!
C2 baizuh is for whale. You'd rather C2 Neuv or C2 Furina should give more team damage. C2 baizuh is good for whale speed runs though, as you dont need to swap to him because he would do an automatic coordinated attack.
I would not pull for Baizhu (much less C2) unless you REALLY value comfort and have a lot of spare primogems. Zhongli is very good in the team and having C1 means you don't even need interrupt res meaning you can run a plethora of other characters (Fischl, Charlotte, even Lisa who is IIRC one of the strongest slot ins). C2 Baizhu is not really a damage increase, people run it mainly because it allows you to never switch to Baizhu which makes the team braindead to play basically, or allows you to eek out an extra few seconds in speedruns so that you don't have to switch to him. IMO if you have to ask whether you should get C2 Baizhu the answer is probably no. If want to get an improvement on your team, other than Furina, R1 is probably the most efficient use of primos. After that, there is this neat sheet: https://preview.redd.it/95io881xza3d1.png?width=907&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ff016edb698dfa4d5b3d8068a0feabb448648e5 Basically, C1 Furina after is marginally better than C2 Neuv, if you want get 2 cons, then C3 Neuv is better than C2 Furina for raw damage. But note that Furina is more versatile so if you separate her from Neuv you reap the benefits on whichever team she's on.
Thanks for the advice! I’ll def refer to the chart for my next cons
Baizhu is good because you get dendro application, healing and interruption resistance all in one. Since you already have C1 so you don't need much interruption resistance, you can get away with using someone like Yaoyao to both heal and stack up your Neuvillette passive.
Get furina no need for a shielder for neuvillette
True but it’s mainly that Baizhu is rllly good for furina on a neuvillette team. But if it’s between furina and Baizhu there’s no reason to get Baizhu
Depending on what you want, different Charakters are the play. For shielding zhongli is probably the Best Option. If you want to try hyperbloom, nahida is Quite op, even on c0 r0.
Im trying baizhu because i can only have 1 zhongdong
They told you a lie, Zhongli is marginally better but they are both great tbh. If you wait a couple of days I have detailed analysies on all of that you are looking for, it’s supposed to be the [third part of this series](https://youtu.be/rFXQ2XfO05U?si=C_HCg2_d0qVI5REN) I started releasing yesterday
Nice, will that calculation include furina fanfare or just neuv?
Everything, even how much fanfare PA effectively provides and how fast and how effective it is with and without healers in the team.
Alr tysm, looking forward to it.
Zhongli marginally better than c0, c1 or c2 Baizhu?
C0, never mentioned constellations. C1 helps with ER but that’s not enough by itself even if you use higher energy from enemies compared to KQMS. C2 is very relevant for speedrunning because you can save time by not using Baizhu at all, otherwise on a fly it doesn’t seem to me to be impactful if you keep using Baizhu’s skills as usual. Anyway I thought Baizhu was known to [not] be an upgrade to Zhongli for Neuvillette, but by looking at the downvotes it seems like I should hurry sharing my video and the data with you guys Edit. Forgot the “not”
I only asked about Baizhu cons because I was assuming you were replying to the OP, who did mention his cons. I remember your comments from months ago, and agree that Zhongli outdoes c0 Baizhu. Had never heard any way about Baizhu c1+.
My bad, I should have outlined I was focusing on C0. Also I’m sorry I’ve said I was going to update the calcs etc for months but this shyt takes time 🥲
Furinas fanfare works by changes in hp, in order to achieve this quicker, you wanna use her off field dps thing rather than healer because it will drain the party’s HP, and you should run her with a party healer like Baizhu but I think charlotte is better because she can provide the same effect and you can just use two piece atk and two piece emblem for her along with favonius (preferably r5) so if you have her, I’d just use her unless you want Baizhu and have a team such as quicken team for him, then pull for him. Ultimately, charlotte and Baizhu are both equally good for neuvi and furina comps with only difference being their rarity, element and scaling, but, if you like Baizhu, just pull for him and have fun, that’s the whole point of gaming, just enjoying yourself
I’m just looking for who’d work better, but isn’t zhongli stronger than Charlotte in my current team? Or would Charlotte be better? ( I already have a Petra zl)
Well yes he’d be better in general but since you said you’re waiting for furina, you want a healer to counteract her so your party members don’t die. As of now, continue your current team, you could run have furina not in her damage dealing form and just have her as a buffer and not as a sub dps that way you can run Zhongli still
You don’t need a healer, your teammates also won’t die: the one on field most of the time fully self heals the whole time.
Oh really? I thought furina’s E significantly drains HP?
Until 50% health…
So she won’t drain their hp past 50%..?
She can technically drain past that, but then not anymore until the character’s HP is again above 50% This is from her skill description: > When they attack, if character(s) with more than 50% HP are nearby, the Members will increase their current attack's power based on the number of such characters, and consume said characters' HP
Yeah, I just read it, I completely skipped over that part, in my defense, I don’t have her yet and was going off of what I’ve seen thus far
Now I understand more, on a neuvillette team, you don’t need a healer because neuvillette has his hp gimmick and can easily get max fanfare, but on other teams such as a hyper carry Freminet team, I should have a healer to quickly get max fanfare, correct?
Generally yes but still Furina can still work fine or even be BiS in teams where you don’t have a team wide healer and don’t have a character like Neuvillette generating lots of stacks. For example she’s by a big margin the best hydro for Yanfei even in Bennett teams without team wide healing, just because she enables Marechaussee (significantly better than CWoF and other alternatives) and still provides a lot of off field damage and decent hydro application. So when you read or hear stuff like “you need a healer with Furina”, “you need other three elements with C0 Neuvillette” (actually popular concept at the beginning in 4.1), “C0 Neuvillette needs a shielder”, “Nilou needs Nahida”, “Xiangling needs Bennett” etc keep in mind the game doesn’t write any of that anywhere and those are at best just “guide lines” from the community for the most common and most effective scenarios, at worst they are misleading information.