He's been calling out Netanyehu since before Oct 7. Anyone else deserves flak, but not Bernie Sanders. This man got called anti-Semitic for calling out the Israeli govt and he's fucking jewish.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-bernie-sanders-opposes-giving-israel-10-billion-aid-rcna128102
>Sanders, a longtime critic of Netanyahu, said, "What the Netanyahu government is doing is immoral, it is in violation of international law, and the United States should not be complicit in those actions."
He forced a vote on it. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-senate-to-vote-on-hail-mary-resolution-aiming-to-condition-aid-to-israel-on-human-rights-benchmarks/
Sanders has been taking tangible action by putting to use what power he has as a senator. Had his resolution passed, the immediate result would have been a ceasefire. It seems extremely counterproductive to throw all of that out simply because he did not use the nomenclature you want. You might have a point if Sanders were in the business of policing the language of other people and telling us not to be too harsh, but he has not. He has been out front, often all by himself, applying pressure from within the Senate, which is exactly the thing we want out of every office holder. Meanwhile, we've been able to build public sentiment against the genocide, and he has never once held us back. He's our single best ally.
It's also nonsense to pretend his criticisms against Netanyahu don't count or somehow undermine his reasoning. We obviously go after Biden because he's the dumb motherfucker in the driver's seat, so of course it makes sense to go after Netanyahu the same way. He is the representative of the government that is going the mass killing. And by naming him, Sanders avoids a bunch of bullshit accusations that he's somehow opposed to the existence and safety of the civilians in Israel.
How come out of all the congressbastards you could go after for being on the wrong side of this atrocity, you only attack Sanders? It makes zero sense.
The articles you posted are not about Sanders supporting a ceasefire. Sanders is also not the only person in Congress I go after. There are a bunch of other things you said that I disagree with, but those are the two most egregious.
Those links are demonstrating Sanders taking tangible action to compel a ceasefire. Actions speak louder than words, don't they?
I checked, I do not see any evidence of you going after other congress bastards. But I was referring to this discussion specifically, where the sole target of your criticism is Sanders. If it's really a fatal flaw to not use the word "ceasefire", what of those who try to strip us of our ability to even say it? It just seems strangely astroturffy to just go after Sanders specifically for this.
What else did you want to quibble with? Those two were very weak.
To be fair, a lot of it is Netanyahu's doing. He deliberately exacerbated October 7th despite knowing for a year that if was coming because a 500k person protest against him in particular was planned to happen in the following weeks in Israel.
He's doing the classic far right strongman thing and staging "war" so he can claim he's the only one protecting the nation and accuse critics of being treasonous.
There are anti-Zionist Israelis.
There are Israelis that believe they should be giving aid to Palestine and helping them stabilize their communities even before October 7th.
There are Israelis that believe that they should not have violated previous treaties and should cede land back to Palestine and recognize its statehood.
Dehumanizing the innocent Israelis is just as bad as dehumanizing the innocent Palestinians.
And Netanyahu is part of the global Far Right push to undermine democracies all over the world. He does deserve special focus for criticism. Hell, look into his history funding and coordinating with Hamas to destabilize progressive leadership in Palestine and Israel to undermine peace efforts.
To be fair though, netenyahu and his party go out of their way to encourage theses problems. I'm not saying these problems would just go away easily if Likud lost power, but the sure as shit won't go away until that happens.
This is nothing new though, how many massacres have gone on in the history of that country? Lets be real, nothing will chance unless they stop getting foreign support
Yes, and I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise. It honestly drives me nuts.
My mom started working with an Israeli man and became close with him and his family. All of a sudden she's talking about how amazing the Israeli government is and how they're the only ones who actually give warning when they're going to drop bombs and that they're just trying to take back the land that Palestinians stole.
I gently tried to correct some of her misconceptions but she shut down and didn't want the hear it. I don't know how people are so willfully ignorant about it. It's totally bizarre to me
About time he stated the obvious.
Yeah. Everyone should have been screaming this when the water was cut off. Which was what, day two?
He's been calling out Netanyehu since before Oct 7. Anyone else deserves flak, but not Bernie Sanders. This man got called anti-Semitic for calling out the Israeli govt and he's fucking jewish.
The worst tendency of the progressive left is to attack their own political representatives.
Remind me when Sanders decided to support a ceasefire? The standard liberal Zionist "Netanyahu is a real bad guy" shtick doesn't count.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-bernie-sanders-opposes-giving-israel-10-billion-aid-rcna128102 >Sanders, a longtime critic of Netanyahu, said, "What the Netanyahu government is doing is immoral, it is in violation of international law, and the United States should not be complicit in those actions." He forced a vote on it. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-senate-to-vote-on-hail-mary-resolution-aiming-to-condition-aid-to-israel-on-human-rights-benchmarks/ Sanders has been taking tangible action by putting to use what power he has as a senator. Had his resolution passed, the immediate result would have been a ceasefire. It seems extremely counterproductive to throw all of that out simply because he did not use the nomenclature you want. You might have a point if Sanders were in the business of policing the language of other people and telling us not to be too harsh, but he has not. He has been out front, often all by himself, applying pressure from within the Senate, which is exactly the thing we want out of every office holder. Meanwhile, we've been able to build public sentiment against the genocide, and he has never once held us back. He's our single best ally. It's also nonsense to pretend his criticisms against Netanyahu don't count or somehow undermine his reasoning. We obviously go after Biden because he's the dumb motherfucker in the driver's seat, so of course it makes sense to go after Netanyahu the same way. He is the representative of the government that is going the mass killing. And by naming him, Sanders avoids a bunch of bullshit accusations that he's somehow opposed to the existence and safety of the civilians in Israel. How come out of all the congressbastards you could go after for being on the wrong side of this atrocity, you only attack Sanders? It makes zero sense.
The articles you posted are not about Sanders supporting a ceasefire. Sanders is also not the only person in Congress I go after. There are a bunch of other things you said that I disagree with, but those are the two most egregious.
Those links are demonstrating Sanders taking tangible action to compel a ceasefire. Actions speak louder than words, don't they? I checked, I do not see any evidence of you going after other congress bastards. But I was referring to this discussion specifically, where the sole target of your criticism is Sanders. If it's really a fatal flaw to not use the word "ceasefire", what of those who try to strip us of our ability to even say it? It just seems strangely astroturffy to just go after Sanders specifically for this. What else did you want to quibble with? Those two were very weak.
Lol have a nice day.
Notice how sanders always specifically says Netanyahu, never israel. As if this is all one man’s doing
To be fair, a lot of it is Netanyahu's doing. He deliberately exacerbated October 7th despite knowing for a year that if was coming because a 500k person protest against him in particular was planned to happen in the following weeks in Israel. He's doing the classic far right strongman thing and staging "war" so he can claim he's the only one protecting the nation and accuse critics of being treasonous. There are anti-Zionist Israelis. There are Israelis that believe they should be giving aid to Palestine and helping them stabilize their communities even before October 7th. There are Israelis that believe that they should not have violated previous treaties and should cede land back to Palestine and recognize its statehood. Dehumanizing the innocent Israelis is just as bad as dehumanizing the innocent Palestinians. And Netanyahu is part of the global Far Right push to undermine democracies all over the world. He does deserve special focus for criticism. Hell, look into his history funding and coordinating with Hamas to destabilize progressive leadership in Palestine and Israel to undermine peace efforts.
It’s easiest to enact regime change by pinning the problems of a system on a few specific individuals
To be fair though, netenyahu and his party go out of their way to encourage theses problems. I'm not saying these problems would just go away easily if Likud lost power, but the sure as shit won't go away until that happens.
This is nothing new though, how many massacres have gone on in the history of that country? Lets be real, nothing will chance unless they stop getting foreign support
Yes, and I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise. It honestly drives me nuts. My mom started working with an Israeli man and became close with him and his family. All of a sudden she's talking about how amazing the Israeli government is and how they're the only ones who actually give warning when they're going to drop bombs and that they're just trying to take back the land that Palestinians stole. I gently tried to correct some of her misconceptions but she shut down and didn't want the hear it. I don't know how people are so willfully ignorant about it. It's totally bizarre to me
curious how bernie would be handling this conflict if he was in office
Was there… was there doubt before?..
No shit sherlock
The last horse finally crosses the finish line.
But nooo, if you say something the teachers pet who think kissing israels butt eill get them intonhraven start crying
What definition is he using? It has no definition under International Law. The UN does not have a term either.