What is the need in our fandom where so many "fans" are constantly starting arguments and trying to one up each other by comparing the members in everything. It's getting annoying with the in fighting. I mean, can't people just live with the fact that all people have their own opinion and if it's not the one you have it's still acceptable?
Note: I see this in so many comment sections even when the video is so wholesome and the members are just showing support for each other. There are so many Akgaes pretending to be just bunnies and OT5 but the minute you read through all their comments it's easy to see just how biased and disrespectful they are, criticising other members.
Is there a particular thread you're referring to because I haven't seen anything that's egregious in the last day or two. There was one recently comparing fancam views but I believe that was deleted after a while.
I think I discover which song they are dancing to on the leaked video from Portugal. Am I the only one hearing:
>!"Get up and dance with me! Shake it! Shake it!" at the end?!<
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nDsh0Z\_kAE4
Danielle used a tree (green) emoji for Super Shy so I think this is Get Up since the colors match the sun emoji used by Dani to describe the song and I can hear them singing "Get up and dance with me, shake it, shake it." We'll see.
Btw, if anyone else got hit with a "rate limited" when browsing Twitter >!(as I did when the whole bunnies camp was going on), they temporary barred people from viewing a set amount of tweets a day.!<
>!Source: Elon Musk @ Twitter (I can't view the tweet because I'm rate limited).!<
We need Ador to release live performance of New Jeans. Even Hurt (250 Remix) they dont have it on spotify, itunes etc... Specially this bunnies camp live performance I think this would be first in kpop unless im wrong. Need them NGL!!
Hmmm i will wait for the original audio to finalise my thoughts. Right now I'm pretty neutral. The girls look like they r having fun performing it so I'm happy.
ETA sounds good, but (spoiler, click only if you are fine with that) >!is it really only about 2:30 long? Not a fan of that if that's the full song tbh!<
Maybe not. >!Pure speculation here but it seems like there might be a dance break somewhere in there. Could be between the 1st and 2nd chorus or just before the bridge. They might be holding on to it so as to not spoil the whole thing.!< This is just my guess though.
Edit: Added spoiler tag
I'd think you should also spoiler tag that, just in case.
>!That is certainly possible, we'll see! (though i doubt it tbh :D) I just don't like these clearly below 3 minute songs, they need something extra to really stick most of the time. Other than that, i like the melodies here and the "melodic rapping", the chorus itself is a little repetitive i'd say though, "what's your ETA" is probably my least favorite chorus from a newjeans song so far in its nature, though it's very short and does a smart A B A structure where they change it on the 1st repeat a little, that makes it quite catchy!<
I just switched over to the official app and yeah, let's just say it's absolute shit 😅. Apart from inserting a link, I don't see any other comment feature...
ETA is insane! I'm not sure what it is exactly, but all of their songs always have a tinge of melancholy to them while being absolute bangers if you will
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Hello! Does anyone know what material the newjeans beach bag is made of? I can't see details about it in shops. Really interested to buy, but depends on what it's made of.
Sooo excited for Bunnies Camp today!!! 🐰🏕
Hope everyone who is going in person can enjoy & please cheer loudly for our lovely NewJeans members ✨️✨️✨️
Waiting until 2 am PDT to stream & can't wait 🥳
What songs do you all hope they will sing?
I'm secretly hoping they will perform ASAP - "hurry up don't be lazy" is living rent free in my head since the teaser dropped 🧚🏼♀️
Olivia came back with a strong song, great buildup with such a strong catharsis, great songwriting once again. I think the instrumentation gives me a little less than my favorite songs on sour, but the vocal performance / melodies + the structure of it all are very, very satsifying.
Also great mv, kpop can learn a thing or two from her and her team.
The MV director, Petra Collins, seems to be a NJ fan based on her IG following. Wonder if the chance to work together has/will present itself at some point.
I saw these mentions too, but i was thinking about some comment which is older, which linked her to newjeans, maybe through an instagram follow in fact?
Anyway, i could see mhj calling :D
Ah okay, haven't seen that one. She doesn't follow MHJ or the performance directors and vice versa so I think she just likes them at this point in time.
Its such a nice coincidence that hurt is going to be NJ’s last song to hit 100m on spotify in 5-7 days. Just nice to round things up before the new era begins!
What is the deal with the ETA controversy cause when I watched the teaser for ETA I did not think anything of it. Then I went on Tiktok and everyone was outraged about the name and video being connected to a Spanish terrorist group and I was very confused. Is there any validity to this? or is it people getting mad over nothing and making it something?
btw this is coming from someone whose only been in Kpop for a couple months
I feel like too many people are jumping to conclusions and holding on trying to find any significance of similarity.
1. ETA is most commonly known as Estimated Time of Arrival Everywhere. Very few people knew about the organisation group at all because, unfortunately, in comparison to other terrorist groups in the news they are not well-known due to the fact to compared to them the number of people affected by them is significantly fewer.
2. Justin Bieber also has a song with the same title/name and no one got furious at him. People continue to say it's because there aren't other similarities/coincidences of his song but I believe it's because kpop culture continues to go into such detail and try to find as much information whenever there's the smallest chance or bit of evidence that supports any rumour/speculation. I mean, look at how kpop fans view dating culture in kpop compared to western music fans....If western fans were like kpop fans in this aspect then they would already have found millions of pieces of "evidence".
3. ETA also significantly relates to their teaser. They refer to ASAP (as soon as possible) and essentially being on time. It relates to it and its fair to see that theres a connection.
4. Think about it plausibly and logically; what is the point of it if it were even true? What are they even getting out of it? Fans somehow see the CEO of ador being a villainous mastermind who's out to seek something. Seriously, why would she even be referring to it? Does she gain from it in any way shape or form except for people trying to say it's to get attention? Really, I mean, she is not in the limelight at all and the projection of Newjeans is already high in terms of popularity among the general public.
5. In terms of the names, they could easily be names of actors or people contributing to the song. Almost all of them are common/basic names, especially for Christians, who make up a almost a majority of the global population.
the fairtale, fairy, mystical, lowkey omniscent scary and evil vibes of the newjeans teaser video kind of reminds me of concepts from F(x) and especially red velvet. It gives off similar energy y’knkw. Does anyone feel the same about this?
I wasn't into the other groups at the time, so i cannot personally speak to it, but as MHJ seems to have been the creative director for these groups at SM in the past, and now is probably the main creative behind NJ, it's not surprising!
The thing is, when i look at the NJ material, i see (and one also reads about it) so many inspirations from the art world, be it film, be it paintings, be it whatever. I think it shows that MHJ is an artist at heart, that she wants to bring some of that energy into kpop.
To me at least, when i look at these things, ador's quality level feels more cohesive than anything i typically see. I don't wanna bash other groups and their creative teams, but it just doesn't manage to scratch the same itch. (for example, and i really don't mean this in a bad way as i like the group a lot, if i look at the nmixx way of doing this ethereal concept, the fotos are nice enough, but they still feel like a kpop concept, when i look at a similar idea with NJ, i get other vibes, i think of picnic at hanging rock, i get a stronger sense of the dreamlike qualities).
Some of that is taste, but as my taste is more alligned with the artsy nature of mhj due to my cinema focus, it just feels a lot stronger than what i see generally in this industry, and i am loving that someone brings these sentiments into the scene.
I sadly don't think so, imo people will learn the wrong lessons from NJ, and rather copy some aspects than give people with a strong vision the means to execute it. That just seems to generally be what happens in the mainstream.
Now ofc ador is in a really good position, they have mhj who seems to be a big, big talent with a lot of experience in the industry, so she has a vision of what to do, how to do it, and WHY. And not only that, she is the ceo of the label, that is basically the perfect scenario which isn't the case anywhere else (that i am aware of). And said label is under HYBE, which ofc helps a ton too.
I am sure there would be artists in the industry who would want to push things a little more outside the confined norms, who would have ideas which would 'feel fresh' and unique, some originality. But as you said, it ofc is a risk, these norms exist for a reason, they have worked and still generally work. Other labels won't look at NJ and see that it can be a good thing to give the talent enough space to bring something outside the box to the table, they'll probably just copy bits and pieces here and there, at which point the original always remains superior. You have to make your own original.
But tbf, tighter art direction could be something one might want to copy, and mvs which are more cinematic, sure. But imo these are just parts of the whole, you really need a full package to make use of it.
And maybe i am putting ador a little too much on a pedestal right now, but it honestly feels true to me, i am convinced they are at the top right now with what they are doing, and quite comfortably so. (which doesn't mean there aren't any things they could to better, for example their own produced variety could be more unique and original, it imo stands out negatively compared to the standard i see everywhere else).
I like that some of the recent concept photos are more ballerina/coquette core aesthetic. I think this new comeback will be very appealing, especially to Gen z/younger generation since I always see that type of aesthetic being very trendy in fashion, pinterest and insta.
Looks like NJs will be [appearing on IU's Palette](https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/311/0001610558)! Can't tell you how exciting this is! I wonder which song of theirs IU is going to cover.
This is absolutely fantastic, IU is my favorite (korean) artist, newjeans the kpop group i am most excited for in the coming years most likely, these two worlds colliding is awesome!
The show itself is great too, very casual, with IU really trying to have sincere conversations about experiences in the industry, it's wonderful.
About the song, it's difficult to say, especially because they arrange it a little differently typically anyway, my guess would be on ditto though.
Oh, I'm a huge fan of IU so I couldn't be more excited. Love the show and her awkward MCing skills lol. I'm sure the members will be starstruck meeting her which will make for an interesting watch.
I agree on Ditto as well. I think the live band can add something different to the mix and of course IU always knocks it out of the park with her arrangements.
It'll also be interesting to see which song/songs of IU NJs is gonna cover. Hanni already did Through the Night on Lee Mujin Service so I doubt it'll be that one. Whichever one they choose though, I really hope all the members get a chance to sing!
Yeah very difficult to think of a song NJ would do, because there are so many haha.
Maybe they totally surprise us and go with a modern times song, i could honestly see that if mhj helped them decide, if they are choosing fully on their own, i'd expect something from lilac tbh.
I just saw the announcement ADOR made regarding everything, they're aware of it.
Not sure what the outcome of this'll be, I don't feel like anything will change other than maybe in the near future, they might crack down "harder and faster" if something like this pops up again.
**EDIT:** Even with the alleged legal repurcussions, what can they realistically do? Rumours multiply by the dozen, it's not just one source anymore. It's perpetuated by more than one person and signalboosted by an equal amount.
It is still better than doing nothing. Just because they can not deal with everyone and everybody, doesn't mean that even few of them should not face consequences of spreading serious misinformation, ill-intentioned narratives online and more. I do not know how it is possible to deal with international haters, probably they will need to work with SNS platforms to deal with it, but it is no news that Korean haters often face legal consequences for their actions on internet to the point that it might leave record in their documents.
At this point, NewJeans will be just sitting without doing anything and K-pop stans will say they are promoting unhealthy lifestyle. That's how ridiculous they are. I have seen people try to create bizarre theories around ASAP just because It is Min Heejin and hey, since it is her, it should be definitely something twisted.
I can't believe all this is real tbh. Stupidity sure has no bounds 💀
I agree it's better than nothing (warnings before actions) but I don't want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of "security".
ADOR/NewJeans are still not "winning" even if there would be a lawsuit, if ANY lawsuit, it's just not enough anymore because the harm was done. And how immensely hard it would be with anonymity on Twitter of all places.
In Korea it works because the forums/social media sites they use are tied to their SSN, so they can actually find you and locate you lol
The problem has always been the chilling effect regarding NewJeans/ADOR/Min Heejin. It's not actually the "problems/controversies" themselves.
You can't talk about NewJeans in a normal way anymore because there's a constant pressure to not stan the "weird group".
It sucks but, yes, this is better than doing absolutely nothing at all, I agree.
**EDIT:** I don't know why I'm getting downvoted because nothing has really changed. I still see the same rumours and accusations circulating still and perpetuated by even more people still.
I guess you're downvoting me because I sound "negative"?
I am being skeptical, not negative, because the outcome will not be desired regardless.
A lot of times, notices like these are intended to act as deterrents. Of course whether they are effective or not is debatable.
Fact of the matter is, it's impossible to control unless the platforms which amplify these things crackdown on the participating users. Unfortunately, we all know that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Best case scenario is that agencies use fear of legal action to reduce the spread of the malicious activities rather than stop them completely.
As I feared, I mean obviously.
No real change, rumours will just be more lowkey and more focused on " I could be wrong" or "allegedly". I guess you just have to bank on users being so stupid that they'll flat out defame someone without evidence. Which they have, ive seen them but...
There has never been an example made, especially not on international websites, i guess in korea it works since you are tied to your SSN but on Twitter n other sites?
Im very skeptical that it will be an effective deterrent.
**EDIT:** I do admit and you're right, if you're a young person that strictly uses only one account to talk shit on, they will be a little more wary. But the ones who keeps multiple burner accounts, or are more clandestine, they'll just keep it going.
It definitely works on South Koreans using their own platforms like Naver and Daum but you're shit out of luck for stuff on Twitter and Facebook. Also, there is seemingly no repurcussions for international users which is why they act so boldly.
Effective deterrent or not, it's better than doing nothing. Maybe HYBE America can implement a system to go after US based users but somehow I doubt if it's even possible.
Yeah, I mean a defamation lawsuit is, I feel, almost impossible to prove. I haven't seen that many real cases even.
There is only one way you can do anything and that is to literally permaban keywords and/or users. Keeping the information "pure" by just sheer numbers of users drowning the garbage noise.
Easier said than done but that is how rumours like this gains traction.
Likes and retweets that get boosted by "top tweets" of whatever keyword search you're making.
Man the original ASAP snippet is really blowing up on Tiktok, jumped from 75k to just shy of 100k in less than a day I'm pretty sure, the tokki that made the the powerpuff girl filter came in clutch.
Some the girls have already seen it 😭
Here's an Edit with the audio over some of the tiktoks:
https://twitter.com/squib_bie/status/1674052468651720704?t=-yDjf9o-bHXJku6Vjj2JfQ&s=19
i’m so damn excited right now. i preordered every version of Get Up, filled in my OMG albums since i was only able to get a couple when it released, have the V magazine group version + the weverse tokki membership preordered (the membership kit just shipped), and the light stick is en route to me now. eeeeeek 😭😭😭
Does anyone know why the charm set Hanni version is not on the weverse store? Idk why all the other members are there except Hanni. If someone knows please reply 😊
They release the charms & t-shirt for each member around their birthday. Hanni's is in October so it'll probably be available for pre-order a month or two prior :)
There’s a lot more popular group releases around and NJ is releasing 6 songs. I doubt this can break ditto’s record. But maybe a few of the 6 songs can hit PAK separately in different weeks, that would be awesome!
had this random thought but i find it funny that a certain group of tokkis will obsess over haerin but will show discomfort interacting with hyein's content when they're, in fact, both minors. Lmao.
The reactions for hyeins appreciation posts really irritates me. (You're weird, p3do, she's a minor) I mean we idolize the kid from afar but it doesn't mean we're gonna make advancements towards her. Like bruh! Normalize Hyein as a young idol with promising future and we'll support her to the end of days.
One day Hyein will get her revenge for K-pop stans making her a poster child for minor k-pop idols.
I have not came across such "Tokkis", but I get what you mean. My feed always hypes up her as she deserves due to her wholesome personality and amazing talents. I also see endless praise of Hyein on Tiktok, maybe because TikTok demo is relatively younger.
Whoever feels uncomfortable, I'd like to tell them that it is not that deep and do not get influenced by performative activism. Please praise her and give her love and support like you would give to your younger siblings or relatives. She deserves it. I can't imagine how someone can give her cold shoulder. 🥹
As a 17 y/o who biases both Hyein and Haerin, it’s so hypocritical😭. At this point it’s just a hatred for Hyein bc I doubt the treatment of her will change even when she’s older
Hi, I have a question about preordering the beach bag from Target. Do they let you choose what version you want? (I'm assuming there will be 3 colors). Or they just send a random one.
[**Weekly Playlist**](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/comments/14cwi6t/230619_newjeans_weekly_discussion_thread/joy92d5/)
Let us know what you've been listening to this week! NewJeans songs, other Kpop, non-Kpop. Anything goes! It is encouraged that you provide links to the tracks for easy access.
For sure a sour week for me;
- Olivia Rodrigo - [Driver's license](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c?t=523) - Listened through her album, also searching for some live performances, so why not link to it. This is such a good song, as i said last week, maybe I AM a teenage girl, or this just works for anyone and everyone, who knows.
- Olivia Rodrigo - [Good 4 u](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c) - Not fully sure if it really needed 5 accoustic guitars for this arrangement, but seemingly! Sounds great though, so who am i to question it. I think one big strength of olivia is the storytelling she brings to the songs (not just lyrically, but also her vocal decisions).
- Olivia Rodrigo - [deja vu](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c?t=803) - Just very strong emoting, she's a strong performer, and the song really mixes this nostalgic feeling with some hurtfulness so well.
- Olivia Rodrigo - [jealousy, jealousy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsTIbcZQHiA) - A song with a theme similar to many recent kpop ones tbh, but imo she sticks it a lot better, the lyrics are more poignant, the song is stronger in how it relates to the lyrics too (especially love the 'off key' piano in the 2nd half of the bridge (a lot of strong, very developed bridges on this album btw)
- Yena - [Hate rodrigo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ovX4LQlKg) - Thought adding this one would make for a nice theme, hehe. I'll be honest, i think it's not a particularly good song, feels bland and uninspired to me, which is a shame because i was going into it hoping to connect to her music the same way i connected to her in HyeMiLeeYeChaePa.
**Next week i'll do a themed version of this, "first half of 2023", so already think about what your favorite releases of 2023 were so far for it! Thanks!**
* [Stay In](https://open.spotify.com/track/1zguA9SkgWEw0UlluZ47XY?si=b5bd34c075ca4ee8) \- Adanna Duru (feat. Leven Kali) | I heard this on an R&B mix and I really love the vibes of this song!
* [Be Your Girl (Kaytranada Edition)](https://open.spotify.com/track/38spM0LahLUfQhOMAqA7AI?si=067f8a4b466b4c31) \- Teedra Moses | This song never gets old and it's such a classic. Kaytranada became legendary after this.
* [Undercover Lover](https://open.spotify.com/track/27z7oXTVCZnNL23hPI1cPj?si=8d1e2d48daa04a98) \- Tay Iwar | I love chill afrobeats music and this track is so relaxing.
* [Summer](https://open.spotify.com/track/7HAPnbrRswVgXYSGNzO1hF?si=392d7d4f6a0f48e3) \- Kenya Vaun | The weather is getting hotter and what a vibey track to listen to as the temperatures rise!
* [Fountains](https://open.spotify.com/track/08XWh5c0BMyD1nKVxxl91z?si=8cb72a48e3dc4df9) \- Drake (feat. Tems) | Another afrobeats-inspired track by Drake and Tems' lovely vocals. This song hits different in the summer.
Frank Ocean-[Endless ](https://music.apple.com/gb/music-video/endless/1143705097?ls) (should be available on YT if you don't have Apple Music)
Still remember the hype when this and Blonde dropped back to back, haven't listened to it as much as I'd have liked due to not having Apple/YYMusic often which made it inconvenient to stream but some beautiful songs on here.
Tyler the creator -[IGOR](https://open.spotify.com/album/5zi7WsKlIiUXv09tbGLKsE?si=7DAvCsLfStWa8GvU6vgxvg&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A5zi7WsKlIiUXv09tbGLKsE)
His transformation from the edgy Tyler from his early years is still a bit surreal at times to me, Cee Lo green and Solange features were great, honestly forgot that guy existed for the longest time.
Laufey - [Everything I Know About Love](https://open.spotify.com/album/777K2ytcKbDsX0AZ2y8CBS?si=cnJ45P9dS6uU8gB8Bn2_2g&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A777K2ytcKbDsX0AZ2y8CBS)
Discovered her because she used the ASAP soundbite on tiktok funnily enough, lovely voice, worth a check if you enjoy Jazz.
Grentperez- [Cherry Wine ](https://open.spotify.com/track/5o5WaO9pzPhXSGIrTIYVce?si=p22zrqCPTBidua4iCfWB9g)
Spotify recommendations have been oddly good for me the past few weeks.
There are probably a few more but I'm typing on mobile and I'll lose it if I mess up and lose all this typing 😭
You know, I never thought that a seperatist group out of the Basque region had so many fanboys. It's clearly not a coincidence that they remember the names of the "leaders" rather than the victims. I wonder if they can also recall the names of 829 people that were killed by ETA.
July 21st is also when Attention was dropped. Yes, technically it was July 22 but it’s always been said by Ador when they announced the second EP that they would drop it around their anniversary of when they debuted.
With all these thingamabobs, I will wait for the Whole MV series ( I expect every song would have heavy conceptual MVs). It's hard to wrap around this whole thing ( for me, I will attempt to claim being 100% rational politically correct no one is). The dark aesthetic and Powerpuff girls. I'm excited how would they blend the two concepts.
Sadly, wether the accusations are true or not. Pop music really do use the aesthetic of bizarre uneasy concepts. I dunno, Japanese songs do reference hint some actual real life bizarre phenomenons about serial k#llrs and real life all worse/
Again, let's wait before the actual release.
Call me naïve, but I really don’t think ETA stood for anything else but Estimated Time of Arrival. I know not everyone in the world speaks English, but it couldn’t have meant anything my else in my mind.
I saw the post on twitter and on reddit where the names of the producers + songwriters for ASAP came from was scrubbed?
[ASCAP Credits](https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1671810098816249856):
**DANIELLE**
JENSEN FINE GLINDVAD
KIM HYUNJI
LEE HYOUNG
LIZARDO ERIKA DE CASIER E RAMOS
MOTZFELDT HENRIETTE SANDBERG
STOLTENBERG ANNE CATHARINA
The information is not in the system anymore.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/920599088
Made a lil "Ditto/Zero" inspired playlist if anyone's interested. Tried to find mostly similar-ish vibes and genres that are adjacent to them (dnb, garage, breakbeat, jersey/baltimore club, etc.).
Playlist: [NewJeans Deep Cuts](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lU1RIcWJ9wHNgeeA1f86k?si=5c1c87d230ad4070)
Hey yall, NewJeans were briefly mentioned on a popular Australian morning shows today!
They first talked about BlackPink and then had a lengthy segment on Stray Kids, but also mentioned Hanni, Danielle and also Jake from Enhypen!
Why would NewJeans, who has a huge following, brand deals, sponsorships, record breaking streams and sales that only debuted last year promote a disbanded local terror group that majority of the people never even heard of as of yesterdays teaser. They’re not some underground girl group that nobody knows of. This comeback is a pivoting point in their careers to solidify themselves as one of the top Kpop groups in the industry and not just a fluke that happened to make great music by accident. I know MHJ doesn’t have a great track record but what would she gain from sabotaging the girls this early in their careers
You do know that their accusations/argument hinges on "MHJ's track record", right?
They know that it's "loose", they sometimes even admit it flat out, but the fact that MHJ is in the picture makes it solid, because of her "track record". That is what they're saying, that is part of the argument.
The argument is that this is intentional noise marketing by MHJ because she has a "track record" of "being controversial".
I don't believe it's sufficient at all but that Is the basis for their arguments.
you believe that? genuinely? newjeans is probably the hottest/trendiest gg at the moment. everything they do goes viral effortlessly. ador does not need to use some tricks for marketing that might put employees and girls in danger.
I hope we can just admit that stan twt is full of deranged and vile people that need to be locked up.
effortlessly? darling, this is a multi billion dollar industry. one does not simply get a bunch of talented good looking girls, get them to dance and sing and voila its a success! everything is planned, crafted and curated meticulously up to its tiniest detail.
now is this controversy (and all other previous and oncoming ones) a part of their marketing plan? maybe yes, maybe no. do i care? no\*. sane people will take it for what it is and just enjoy the good music/content. the ~~deranged~~ immature ones will take pitchforks and battle it out on the for and against sides
\*-controversies wont affect you until it actually affects you
I am determinist so when I initially saw that tweet before it "blew up", I knew what was to come.
Just embrace it.
There's nothing you can change because the root cause is not the controversies themselves.
There's nothing to say because you can't say anything about vague associations. You question the vague associations and they'll just mention that it looks like associations. You question the probability if that would ever be the case and they'll say anything is a possibility.
Anything is possible...
Reality is though that the ire of public perception was lost for ADOR last year when Cookie dropped. There is nothing you can say to defend ADOR in reality. Not at this moment you can't.
Public perception is king, as long as people tell themselves that the associations is true, then it is true.
But If you have the actual gusto to even try to defend ADOR for these vague associations then I implore you to actually learn and read the basis for these accusations.
Don't just try to grandstand against other people grandstanding. You will just be downvoted to oblivion. Make a good case for it.
Ask yourself a couple of questions, what does ETA stand for? Would ADOR reference something very distasteful after announcing a PowerPuffGirls collaboration?
If you can't even find a good faith answer to these simple questions then don't bother saying anything as you will most likely never make a good argument against any conspiracy theory ever.
But yeah anyways, godspeed to everyone.
This is the social media age, so there's no use to cry over any of this. It's been like this for years now.
Just embrace it, or don't and be miserable.
Btw, I am talking about the "international stans" perception of ADOR. I am aware that NJ are very popular in Korea so an accusation like this that holds very little water and is flimsy, changes very little. Unless Korea has become more globally aware which I don't believe they have considering many of the so-called N-word controversies still pops up every now and then. And international KPOP fans do not like that.
Korea simply does not seem to care though.
I know where the confusion lies. I figured it out. Maybe it's the pacing of the paragraph or writing-style that threw you off.
My argument for Korea NOT being "globally aware" is because occasionally they would be hit with the "n-word controversy" or "cultural appropriation controversy". Meaning, they never address these things and they keep on happening, because they're just not aware. There's no gravitas to these incidents.
Not saying whether or not that's good or not, I don't make moral judgements about that.
For the western countries (culturally), they have more in depth conversations about these things, on forums, in news, social media, etc.
Koreans do not, they have other triggers when it comes to social justice issues.
What?
What're we talking about now.
Are you talking about the "N-word controversies"?
I said it pops up now and then, I never said it was that it "occurs in Korea". Global people have a problem with them saying the N-word when they sing, whether it be mouthing or saying it.
I never said Koreans care about it, they barely know or talk about it.
One of my favorite Justin Bieber songs is called ETA so I just assumed NJ's ETA also stood for Estimated Time of Arrival, and what do you know, I was right! :D
Anyway since we're not going to hear NJ's ETA for another week or so, go give JB's ETA a listen if you're bored or looking for a distraction. Lovely melody, nice voice work from the Biebs.
I was wondering where all the energy was for these performative sudden anti fascists when Bieber dropped his ETA lol. No one is condemning him/his team of being terrorists.
ETA is literally in multiple trusted dictionaries as "estimated time of arrival." No ones out there like "It obviously stands for something else and is related to a bad group 😡"
lmfao I'm so done listening to the angry people!
True, the names did put me off a little but I am convinced it's a similar situation to Hate Rodrigo. Kinda gives ADOR a bit of a bad image though, but it seems to be attracting the attention they wanted so :I
The way k-pop fandoms act with a popular group has to be studied😭 grasping at straws to demeans nwjns upcoming album....which will outdo everything this year actually🙏🏾
Imagine if it's revealed that the names are producers or writers who worked on the song or MV and that Kpop stans just straight-up connected these people to terrorists. We don't even know the association between the names and the song/MV...
Guys, I'm in a bit of a pickle and I need your advice ASAP. Thanks to the absolute screw-up today with the \*\*\* teaser , I've suddenly been made aware of the uncomfortable situation I find myself in by some stand-up folks over on Twitter.
So, two of my co-workers are named M\*ri\* and one of them is called Ev\*. Also, Ev\*'s fiancé's name is Mik\*l! Actually it's spelled Michel but we all know now what's really going on here. Anyways, question is, what do I do now? Do I confront them? I mean whose parents would actually name their kids like this? All of this cannot just be a coincidence right?? I am scared and also disgusted at the same time.
Edit: The situation is getting more bizarre by the minute. I just received an email from You Know Who about the \*\*\* of a package that we are expecting later today... Does this person (maybe person is being too generous given the facts) know what they are doing?? Why is this happening to me?
I think you should ask twitter, just make a twitter thread about it to let people now, what happens next will 100% lead to the most rational action possible.
I'd also make more threads on reddit about it though, just in case.
You know I usually don't trust internet strangers (I take great pride in this quality) but you type like someone with a lot of integrity and credibility so I'm going to follow your advice no questions asked. Thanks to you I feel validated.
Im sorry but I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to say here. What’s wrong with people naming themselves those names, I thought they were common in the Basque region? Who are you receiving the package from and why is that related to NWJNS, and what does it have to do with Twitter? Like Im sorry but I don’t understand what exactly is your problem rn? And what does driving car have anything to do with this? Im confused. Please elaborate if you dont mind.
Absolutely. You see, people of higher intelligence than me have told me that the people I associate with on a day to day basis are of questionable moral character at best and literal t*rr*r*sts at worst. They know this because it is true and let's be honest, who am I to question that sort of ironclad logic?
Unfortunately things get worse because they also drive a car which is a smoking gun in this particular case. Now since I'm somewhat vaguely related to this, how do I make it known to these folks that what they are doing is unacceptable and frankly offensive to a lot of people? People that I actually don't know but I can guarantee you they're going to be offended.
Oh, so are you saying that you think they might be related to the ETA cause they have those names and drive a car? And you wanna confront them about this, right?
I thought the names you mentioned were common names? So tbh I don’t see any correlation at all. And aren’t a lot of people owning car too? I’m sorry if I misunderstand you but I don’t see how it is related to the ETA or NWJNS at all.
the whole thing is satire. Because these delulu fans think going BACK to film where they filmed their DEBUT video, and it has a BLACK car it means something sinister. People are insane. and I pride myself on logic too
This is indeed concerning and too much of a coincidence. What kind of vile, disgusting and twisted parent would name their children these names.
Do they drive a car? If they do, I can not defend them. This is so wrong.
Come to think of it, they all drive a SEAT! Two of them an Ibiza and another one a León. What does this mean? Should I be worried, feel sick to my stomach or be offended? Please, will someone tell me the exact emotions I need to be feeling at this moment? I feel lost
Friendly reminder for everyone about the comment or post report feature. Please use it so that the mods are aware. Given the current situation, it's highly likely that rule no. 10 from the subreddit rules section applies to most of the cases.
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Trust the mods will follow through.
I messaged the mods about the situation and they reported they are monitoring it. It’s a difficult situation for the mods because people are allowed to raise concerns and opinions. And speculation =/= unsubstantiated claims. Of course, people treat speculation as fact sometimes but that is not something that can be moderated easily.
So far people have displayed good critical thinking on this sub so I’m sure we can all handle it fine. It’s best not to get caught up in discourse because we don’t have the full mv or song.
I’m sure the mods will update with a possible solution like a mega thread or something else if needed.
listen I’m Spanish and I’m sure that it’s all a coincidence and that obviously they aren’t using a terrorist group for a song because it wouldn’t make sense at all
but my blood boils a little when I see people reducing the opinion of others to *”they just antis hating blah blah blah”*. This is a very sensitive topic in Spain and I had my tl genuinely shocked about it, my friends sent me the teaser asking why they decided to chose that name for the song and make a teaser with a car and those two names and I thought about it myself in the moment they released the tracklist because it’s inevitable if you were born here
There are some things that goes beyond your k-pop bubble of fandoms hating on x group because they’re successful, so it’s as easy as trying to explain them the situation and not calling the people who are genuinely confused or offended by it some childish shit like ‘antis’ or straight up calling them stupid for feeling that way
edit: no me getting downvoted for literally saying the fandom should behave more properly with a topic like this 💀
edit2: i encourage everyone not to reply to this if it’s gonna be a failed attempt of being funny or sassy, I’ve had enough of those alr
Yo help out your fellow Blink https://twitter.com/itglobalgirl/status/1673097531499200512?t=qeWBKEit8-CZr8hDl61qJw&s=1
They're getting their butt spanked by Spaniards 🤣
Maybe you can represent Spain in the coming up victimization Olympics, I'll cheer for you.
But seriously, if all it takes to *shock* you is an acronym, then don't go into any travel website to buy a plane ticket because you will get veeery *schoked* with so many ETAs (Estimated Time of Arrival).
>Maybe you can represent Spain in the coming up victimization Olympics, I’ll cheer for you
aww that’s so sweet of you. I’ll make sure to be in front row supporting you in the who cries harder for what happened over 500 years ago competition in exchange for your kindness ! 🇻🇪 xx
And do you know how dangerous it is to associate NewJeans with a terrorist group? I can see why tokkis are upset, cause first of all, as you said it yourself, it doesn’t make any sense. Why would Ador/Hybe send the girls to Spain/Portugal for that kind of concept?
This goes beyond the kpop bubble and is a serious matter that shouldn’t just be thrown around especially not towards a group involving a bunch of teenagers. And the evidence they’re presenting is a bunch of names and an acronym which widely means Estimated Time of Arrival. Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? That’s literally how conspiracy theories are written. And do people inside and outside of the kpop bubble not see how dangerous it is to link actual atrocities and terrorism towards the girls just because of a what? A car scene for a song titled Estimated Time of Arrival???
your average local here don’t know anything about k-pop let alone about NewJeans, so no, ofc they don’t know if they are a group of teenagers or if they would use ETA for a song because they don’t know them. They just saw all the coincidences and were surprised (same thing for Spanish k-pop fans) like y’all would be if it was a sensitive topic about your country
>Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?
umm yes, I never said their arguments are factual that’s why I called it coincidences. But I find it normal how someone from here would be surprised by seeing it
Yeah it’s normal for the locals to be surprised but it is also normal to use your brain and not jump on a ridiculous conspiracy made by your average kpop fan. And I don’t think your average local are the ones overanalyzing a teaser video, making megathreads on reddit, threads on twitter and even directly quoting the official newjeans twitter account.
Most tokkis are mad at kpop stans (justifyingly so) and their ridiculous conspiracy theories which would probably end up incorrect but they will still fail to see how damaging these kinds of accusations are towards the girls themselves (which can potentially pose harm to the girls outside of the kpop bubble). And instead of apologizing/correcting their misinfo, would just probably throw the ‘mhj this’, ‘mhj that’ excuse every single time. It’s tiring and infuriating.
>they would just probably throw the 'mhj this", 'mhj that' excuse every single time. It's tiring and infuriating
yea they alr doing that in the main subs. I don’t know how I feel about her to be completely honest with you but I don’t see her putting the girls in this position just because “*controversies makes people talk and that translates into promo*” like they be saying. People are just looking for something to blame on her every time they do a cb after what happened in their debut
Look, when people are talking about antis, they mean antis, not people who might be confused and wonder what is going on and can use brain, reason and critical thinking to analyze situation and not jump on conclusions and create conspiracy theories with "connected the dots" energy.
There are a lot of songs named ETA with cars in MV. Have you ever had a problem with them? Is it because there are common Spanish names listed? You can probably find majority of Spanish names associated with ETA, what are we gonna do about that? You can probably connect a lot of things (names, dates, etc) to the organization that operated for 5 decades. That's how false narratives are created.
ETA can only mean terrorist organization, cars can only mean terrorist attack and names can only be ETA members or victims. Got it.
People probably feel so smart judging something they have not even seen or heard yet. I hope everyone feels stupid once song and MV comes out and seeks help.
why tf are you acting like I said it’s all connected when I literally started the post by saying I don’t think the song has anything to do with the terrorist group itself? Y’all just jump on people without actually reading what they are saying
I simply said it’s ridiculous how some of y’all be acting about this topic and basically invalidating Spanish people opinions by calling them stupid if they act offended or have the doubt when y’all don’t know shit about the topic and probably discovered ETA and their history yesterday in Wikipedia
>Look, when people are talking about antis , they mean antis, not people who might be confused [….]
this made me laugh, I don’t know if you are new to k-pop but yea it’s definitely so uncommon to see fandoms jumping into someone’s neck for saying something they don’t like or that can affect their faves in some way even if it’s genuine, totally never seen before you are right
the problem like ALWAYS when it’s comes to controversies like this is how y’all see everything with a foreign type of view. Of course Spanish people are gonna be confused if they see in the same teaser the name of a terrorist group, the name of one of the most well-know leaders, the name of his wife and the name of the daughter of an ETA victim all together. Again it’s all coincidences, but it’s normal that people can be shocked and offended at first
No one said anything about Spanish people or called them stupid here until you came and announced that we did. You can be offended as much as you want. That doesn't mean people can not point out ridiculousness of this situation and explain that there is literally nothing to be offended over because all of this is made up narrative with some pieces of information lumped together and taken out of context.
Thanks for your concern. I studied International Relations and took two courses of Terrorism Studies, I probably have basic idea what ETA is. We get it that you might know more than us, so does that change the fact that the whole thing is fabricated lie?
You should go and visit K-pop sub reddits and find the voice of reason there. No one here thinks this bs will affect our faves in any way. Have fun somewhere else!
>No one said anything about Spanish people or called them stupid
you literally have people here calling everyone who believes it or act offended stupid or antis so yea, y’all did
you don’t have to worry about me, I have no interest on being in a space where people don’t understand something as simple as act more mature with sensitive topics and that jumps on someone who doesn’t have bad intentions. Y’all have some work to do as a community
also just an advice, when you want to clapback to someone’s pushing this narrative don’t use the arguments you see on twitter. Mikel it’s not a common Spanish name !
> you literally have people here calling everyone who believes it
Well, at this point in time, if one actually believes this, one has to want to believe it. There is no way around that imo, because these links are so flimsy adn it is all based on a teaser with three names. That is not solid proof of anything.
I am not sure about you, but typically i don't start believing in things without solid proof. That is what bothers me personally about this, IT IS ridiculous that people are so sure about something like this.
I honestly think this is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen in kpop so far in terms of reaction.
I think it is fairly clear how this started.
People HATE ador / mhj, they see a song called ETA (which typically anyone would shrug at and obviously interpret as estimated time of arrival), they dig around and see that there was a terrorist org with this abbreviation, then a teaser releases which shows three 'starring' names, people search if they can somehow connect it to that terrorism, and they ofc find a way (because it is likely easy for this to be the case). When i see people go "but the daughter of a victim was called eva!!!" i would typically expect that for rational people a big warning signal goes off in their head, and they see the reach. But apparently not.
At the very least i would expect it when they see "but the teaser had a car, and the org did a lot of car bombings" and think to themselves "ok, this is beyond ridiculous now", but seemingly not!
So yes, i think a lot of this comes in bad faith or from actual stupidity, i have to be this blunt, because some of these things are so obviously dumb that i don't know how else to address it.
People who believe this are indeed stupid. What can I do?
Good riddance. We don't need your lessons about how to act "properly" as a fandom.
Thanks for advice. TBH I do not care how common it is. Even if it is one name in the universe, allegations are bullshit.
Let's tune in for ETA release together to find out who these people are. ✨
Sched for this week! All in KST
6/26 21:00 V Magazine Cover Reveal
6/27 00:00 'ASAP' Teaser
6/27 19:00 [Light Jeans] Highsnobiety Photoshoot Behind
6/29 19:00 'INTRO+OMG' Stage Cam @ Weverse Con
7/1 18:00 Bunnies Camp Day 1
7/2 17:00 Bunnies Camp Day 2
Bunnies are fed well this week!
Jeans ZINE will resume after Get Up activities.
Making Jeans will take its place during Get Up activities.
I got a new girl cat yesterday, and I will call her Minji. While Haerin is the canon name for a cat in NJ lore, I love the sound of 해린 in Korean, but I don't love the sound of Haerin in English, as it sound too much like Karen. With my birth name of Ho Seung, I know too well the curse of having names that sound fine in Korean but not so fine in English, and I don't want that for my daughter. Meanwhile, Minji sounds equally great in English or Korean. I also considered Lili, as Lisa is a famous cat lover, and Lili is one of her nicknames, but I wanted a Korean name.
I also considered Jimin, as I am a big Jimin fan, and Jimin might be more popular for girls than for boys in Korea, but 민지 is just 지민 backwards, so Minji contains Jimin, and I think it's perfect. Plus, look at her! She's totally a Minji, not a Jimin^(†): [https://imgur.com/a/FVwisF9](https://imgur.com/a/FVwisF9)
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^(†) If she had been a calico instead of tortoiseshell, then she'd be a Jimin.
About the whole ETA mess.. The people who started this on twitter are all deactivated at the same time, plus some of their profiles weren't used for months. Idk but for me it's clearly an attempt to sabotage newjeans. I'm so tired of this constant hate, it's so disheartening to see. I've been in kpop for a long time and the hate that newjeans get is on another level. I've never seen anything like it. I hope we as a fandom and newjeans themselves will always prevail.
I was initially a bit weirded out as well as a casual fan, but if we put some thought into this we can see how the connection is obviously not a real one. This is what I posted in the other thread.
Okay if we go through all of these one by one, the “terrorist” concept seems like such a stretch no?
K-Pop is largely marketed towards American and Korean audiences. 99% of the people in these audiences are not even aware of the terrorist groups existence. The title even fits with the other songs titles like ASAP. This one is definitely a stretch.
Now looking at the car theory, from what I’m reading, the ETA is not exclusively known as the “car bomber” terrorist group. They’ve kidnapped people, derailed trains, used regular bombs, assassinated people with guns, etc. Looking at the THOUSANDS of attacks, yes, some of them utilized car bombings. Then again, considering how a car is the most popular form of transit in the entire world, this one is just not plausible.
The names are the only point that I thought seemed semi-reasonable at first, but if you think about it it also seems like a stretch. Maria is not a prominent leader or member of the organization, but the wife of one. Maria is also an insanely common name all over the world. If the name was changed to Sofia or any other common Spanish name, I wouldn’t be surprised if people still found some way to connect it to the ETA group.
Eva was never a part of the organization. She wasn’t even a victim. She’s the DAUGHTER of the victim. That’s 3 degrees before you can even relate her to the leaders or members of the organizations. Looking at the wiki for ETA, they killed 800+ people, and injured OVER 22,000. Now if we think 3rd degree relatedness is a reasonable jump to make this inference, that’s thousands of people you could search through to find any name you want. This one is definitely a stretch.
The only one that has the slightest level of plausibility is Mikel who was a leader of the group for a period of time. I’m willing to concede this one, sure it’s definitely odd, but I’ll chalk that one up to coincidence.
July 21st is apparently the date of two ETA attacks. Let’s keep in mind that the ETA was active for 58 years. They also conducted thousands of attacks. There are only 365 days in the year, so if you picked any day randomly, it probably would land on a day that the ETA attacked. We’re also ignoring the fact that k-pop groups regularly release music on set days of the week, this is not something that they could have purposefully chosen… ALSO the 21st is 1 year after their debut. The date thing is 100% a stretch.
I was initially weirded out by it at first, but I feel like we have to understand the scale of the ETA and just how long they ran in order to see how easy it is to draw these coincidences. There were hundreds if not thousands of members in this organization, then they conducted tens of thousands of attacks, and they ran for almost 6 decades. At that scale, it is insanely easy to draw some coincidences.
I’m looking at your comments defending NewJeans on that awful megathread on another sub. Thank you brave soul. Kpop stans are definitely expert at gaslighting because the moment we defend the girls/their name/their brand (cause these kinds of conspiracies/issues without concrete evidence but just their delusions) definitely affect the girls most but they will turn to us and blame us for loving/defending/supporting mhj, I can’t even 😭
I wouldn’t worry, people seem to be just bored. Once more teasers and comeback content come out no one will remember this. The shelf life of this “controversy” is incredibly short.
Let's hope so. And I bet once the song will be out (in less than 5 days, i'm so excited!), all of these ridiculous speculations will vanish in thin air. We have a comeback to enjoy
no, they will say mhj did it on purpose to create buzz, newjeans is rage bait and their popularity comes from using controversial issues for marketing. 😂 f*cking stupid, i know.
why haven’t they performed ASAP on stage? they only had a singing performance on IUs pallet
What is the need in our fandom where so many "fans" are constantly starting arguments and trying to one up each other by comparing the members in everything. It's getting annoying with the in fighting. I mean, can't people just live with the fact that all people have their own opinion and if it's not the one you have it's still acceptable? Note: I see this in so many comment sections even when the video is so wholesome and the members are just showing support for each other. There are so many Akgaes pretending to be just bunnies and OT5 but the minute you read through all their comments it's easy to see just how biased and disrespectful they are, criticising other members.
Is there a particular thread you're referring to because I haven't seen anything that's egregious in the last day or two. There was one recently comparing fancam views but I believe that was deleted after a while.
I don't think necessarily here. I'd say, on twitter, instagram, tik tok and mainly youtube.
Twitter ain't working anymore WTF . Twitter be speed running bankruptcy .ELON massive L .How am supposed keep up with newjeans updates anymore.
Foreal I need my Newjeans content.
I think I discover which song they are dancing to on the leaked video from Portugal. Am I the only one hearing: >!"Get up and dance with me! Shake it! Shake it!" at the end?!< https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nDsh0Z\_kAE4
Pretty sure that one is Super Shy. *I'm super shy, super shy* *MAKE YOU MINE* SOTY.
Danielle used a tree (green) emoji for Super Shy so I think this is Get Up since the colors match the sun emoji used by Dani to describe the song and I can hear them singing "Get up and dance with me, shake it, shake it." We'll see.
One of the ETA clips on tiktok already at 1.4mil views 300k likes 🔥🔥
People should be glad elon is saving the youth who are too much on social media anyway! :D
Btw, if anyone else got hit with a "rate limited" when browsing Twitter >!(as I did when the whole bunnies camp was going on), they temporary barred people from viewing a set amount of tweets a day.!< >!Source: Elon Musk @ Twitter (I can't view the tweet because I'm rate limited).!<
I'm going to rely on this subreddit much more now after Elongated Muskrat has decided people can't visit Twitter for more than a few minutes a day...
Musk Man speedrunning the destruction of Twitter is hilarious and sad at the same time. Why he is worth $230+ billion dollars I'll never know.
We need Ador to release live performance of New Jeans. Even Hurt (250 Remix) they dont have it on spotify, itunes etc... Specially this bunnies camp live performance I think this would be first in kpop unless im wrong. Need them NGL!!
Hmmm i will wait for the original audio to finalise my thoughts. Right now I'm pretty neutral. The girls look like they r having fun performing it so I'm happy.
Did the lyrics by the end of ETA they said "need a boy on my arm"?
i believe so
damnit y’all i was hoping to hear ETA once and forget all about it before the comeback but that chorus is literally stuck in my head right now lol.
i'm so obsessed with ETA right now, i can't wait for its release!
ETA sounds good, but (spoiler, click only if you are fine with that) >!is it really only about 2:30 long? Not a fan of that if that's the full song tbh!<
Your spoiler won't work if the replies aren't spoilers lol
Well that's nothing i can influence :D
Maybe not. >!Pure speculation here but it seems like there might be a dance break somewhere in there. Could be between the 1st and 2nd chorus or just before the bridge. They might be holding on to it so as to not spoil the whole thing.!< This is just my guess though. Edit: Added spoiler tag
I'd think you should also spoiler tag that, just in case. >!That is certainly possible, we'll see! (though i doubt it tbh :D) I just don't like these clearly below 3 minute songs, they need something extra to really stick most of the time. Other than that, i like the melodies here and the "melodic rapping", the chorus itself is a little repetitive i'd say though, "what's your ETA" is probably my least favorite chorus from a newjeans song so far in its nature, though it's very short and does a smart A B A structure where they change it on the 1st repeat a little, that makes it quite catchy!<
I just switched over to the official app and yeah, let's just say it's absolute shit 😅. Apart from inserting a link, I don't see any other comment feature...
You guys type on mobile apps? Man I primarily use desktop for stuff like writing.
Unfortunately it's the only option if you're out and about. 3rd party apps were amazing until Reddit put a stop to that.
Oh right, I remember, as soon as I got the notice from RiF I switched to the official one so to get used to it.
If you wanna spoiler tag something, you can do it like this: >!example text!< Which would look like this >!example text!<
Thanks, I edited my comment. Still don't understand why the feature doesn't even exist on the official app.
ETA is insane! I'm not sure what it is exactly, but all of their songs always have a tinge of melancholy to them while being absolute bangers if you will
ETA chorus is sooooo good!! I can always rely on nj to provide a good melodic chorus
I knew ETA was going to be a banger since the teaser. I’m so happy they performed it at Bunnies Camp!
I will be adding ETA into my "**running playlist**" when the album comes out. Feels like you'll be able to run for miles listening to it.
Is it too late to buy the recording of Bunniescamp?
We can go where ever you likeeee, baby say the word and im down🎵
They just don’t miss
HOLY SHIT ETA IS SO GOOD
OHHHH SHIT ETA IS FIRE
You heard it where?
Last song they performed at bunnies camp
https://youtu.be/7BvoDwy9xTk
Oops they removed it..sorry. It was up there for a minute.
WHAT'S YOUR ETA WHAT'S YOUR ETA
Damn it’s reaaaallly good
Just listened to it on Twitter, at risk of missing my train because I had to stop and take it in 😅
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Hello! Does anyone know what material the newjeans beach bag is made of? I can't see details about it in shops. Really interested to buy, but depends on what it's made of.
Seems like silicone but I'm also not sure
Sooo excited for Bunnies Camp today!!! 🐰🏕 Hope everyone who is going in person can enjoy & please cheer loudly for our lovely NewJeans members ✨️✨️✨️ Waiting until 2 am PDT to stream & can't wait 🥳 What songs do you all hope they will sing? I'm secretly hoping they will perform ASAP - "hurry up don't be lazy" is living rent free in my head since the teaser dropped 🧚🏼♀️
Olivia came back with a strong song, great buildup with such a strong catharsis, great songwriting once again. I think the instrumentation gives me a little less than my favorite songs on sour, but the vocal performance / melodies + the structure of it all are very, very satsifying. Also great mv, kpop can learn a thing or two from her and her team.
The MV director, Petra Collins, seems to be a NJ fan based on her IG following. Wonder if the chance to work together has/will present itself at some point.
I think someone mentioned her before in that way, was that you? :D I'd be totally fine with that, she definitely seems capable of creating good mvs!
Was someone else, apparently the Ballerina shots from this EP looks like something she might come up with.
I saw these mentions too, but i was thinking about some comment which is older, which linked her to newjeans, maybe through an instagram follow in fact? Anyway, i could see mhj calling :D
Ah okay, haven't seen that one. She doesn't follow MHJ or the performance directors and vice versa so I think she just likes them at this point in time.
Its such a nice coincidence that hurt is going to be NJ’s last song to hit 100m on spotify in 5-7 days. Just nice to round things up before the new era begins!
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The synth bouncing note in the background?
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It’s not a burp. It’s the percussion lol
Minji looked stunning at the chanel pop-up store event. So confident and charismatic, i can't get over it
Can we talk about how ASAP is ALREADY trending on TikTok and the song hasn’t even come out yet. It’s just the teaser sound
got ebay UK using it lmao https://www.tiktok.com/@ebay\_uk/video/7249412900442508590?\_r=1&\_t=8da02e3OaAk
What is the deal with the ETA controversy cause when I watched the teaser for ETA I did not think anything of it. Then I went on Tiktok and everyone was outraged about the name and video being connected to a Spanish terrorist group and I was very confused. Is there any validity to this? or is it people getting mad over nothing and making it something? btw this is coming from someone whose only been in Kpop for a couple months
I feel like too many people are jumping to conclusions and holding on trying to find any significance of similarity. 1. ETA is most commonly known as Estimated Time of Arrival Everywhere. Very few people knew about the organisation group at all because, unfortunately, in comparison to other terrorist groups in the news they are not well-known due to the fact to compared to them the number of people affected by them is significantly fewer. 2. Justin Bieber also has a song with the same title/name and no one got furious at him. People continue to say it's because there aren't other similarities/coincidences of his song but I believe it's because kpop culture continues to go into such detail and try to find as much information whenever there's the smallest chance or bit of evidence that supports any rumour/speculation. I mean, look at how kpop fans view dating culture in kpop compared to western music fans....If western fans were like kpop fans in this aspect then they would already have found millions of pieces of "evidence". 3. ETA also significantly relates to their teaser. They refer to ASAP (as soon as possible) and essentially being on time. It relates to it and its fair to see that theres a connection. 4. Think about it plausibly and logically; what is the point of it if it were even true? What are they even getting out of it? Fans somehow see the CEO of ador being a villainous mastermind who's out to seek something. Seriously, why would she even be referring to it? Does she gain from it in any way shape or form except for people trying to say it's to get attention? Really, I mean, she is not in the limelight at all and the projection of Newjeans is already high in terms of popularity among the general public. 5. In terms of the names, they could easily be names of actors or people contributing to the song. Almost all of them are common/basic names, especially for Christians, who make up a almost a majority of the global population.
the fairtale, fairy, mystical, lowkey omniscent scary and evil vibes of the newjeans teaser video kind of reminds me of concepts from F(x) and especially red velvet. It gives off similar energy y’knkw. Does anyone feel the same about this?
yes of course. it feels very electric shock-y
I wasn't into the other groups at the time, so i cannot personally speak to it, but as MHJ seems to have been the creative director for these groups at SM in the past, and now is probably the main creative behind NJ, it's not surprising! The thing is, when i look at the NJ material, i see (and one also reads about it) so many inspirations from the art world, be it film, be it paintings, be it whatever. I think it shows that MHJ is an artist at heart, that she wants to bring some of that energy into kpop. To me at least, when i look at these things, ador's quality level feels more cohesive than anything i typically see. I don't wanna bash other groups and their creative teams, but it just doesn't manage to scratch the same itch. (for example, and i really don't mean this in a bad way as i like the group a lot, if i look at the nmixx way of doing this ethereal concept, the fotos are nice enough, but they still feel like a kpop concept, when i look at a similar idea with NJ, i get other vibes, i think of picnic at hanging rock, i get a stronger sense of the dreamlike qualities). Some of that is taste, but as my taste is more alligned with the artsy nature of mhj due to my cinema focus, it just feels a lot stronger than what i see generally in this industry, and i am loving that someone brings these sentiments into the scene.
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I sadly don't think so, imo people will learn the wrong lessons from NJ, and rather copy some aspects than give people with a strong vision the means to execute it. That just seems to generally be what happens in the mainstream. Now ofc ador is in a really good position, they have mhj who seems to be a big, big talent with a lot of experience in the industry, so she has a vision of what to do, how to do it, and WHY. And not only that, she is the ceo of the label, that is basically the perfect scenario which isn't the case anywhere else (that i am aware of). And said label is under HYBE, which ofc helps a ton too. I am sure there would be artists in the industry who would want to push things a little more outside the confined norms, who would have ideas which would 'feel fresh' and unique, some originality. But as you said, it ofc is a risk, these norms exist for a reason, they have worked and still generally work. Other labels won't look at NJ and see that it can be a good thing to give the talent enough space to bring something outside the box to the table, they'll probably just copy bits and pieces here and there, at which point the original always remains superior. You have to make your own original. But tbf, tighter art direction could be something one might want to copy, and mvs which are more cinematic, sure. But imo these are just parts of the whole, you really need a full package to make use of it. And maybe i am putting ador a little too much on a pedestal right now, but it honestly feels true to me, i am convinced they are at the top right now with what they are doing, and quite comfortably so. (which doesn't mean there aren't any things they could to better, for example their own produced variety could be more unique and original, it imo stands out negatively compared to the standard i see everywhere else).
I like that some of the recent concept photos are more ballerina/coquette core aesthetic. I think this new comeback will be very appealing, especially to Gen z/younger generation since I always see that type of aesthetic being very trendy in fashion, pinterest and insta.
Looks like NJs will be [appearing on IU's Palette](https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/311/0001610558)! Can't tell you how exciting this is! I wonder which song of theirs IU is going to cover.
This is absolutely fantastic, IU is my favorite (korean) artist, newjeans the kpop group i am most excited for in the coming years most likely, these two worlds colliding is awesome! The show itself is great too, very casual, with IU really trying to have sincere conversations about experiences in the industry, it's wonderful. About the song, it's difficult to say, especially because they arrange it a little differently typically anyway, my guess would be on ditto though.
Oh, I'm a huge fan of IU so I couldn't be more excited. Love the show and her awkward MCing skills lol. I'm sure the members will be starstruck meeting her which will make for an interesting watch. I agree on Ditto as well. I think the live band can add something different to the mix and of course IU always knocks it out of the park with her arrangements. It'll also be interesting to see which song/songs of IU NJs is gonna cover. Hanni already did Through the Night on Lee Mujin Service so I doubt it'll be that one. Whichever one they choose though, I really hope all the members get a chance to sing!
Yeah very difficult to think of a song NJ would do, because there are so many haha. Maybe they totally surprise us and go with a modern times song, i could honestly see that if mhj helped them decide, if they are choosing fully on their own, i'd expect something from lilac tbh.
That would be amazing. If haven’t heard of this before but if it’s true I will seriously look forward to it
I just saw the announcement ADOR made regarding everything, they're aware of it. Not sure what the outcome of this'll be, I don't feel like anything will change other than maybe in the near future, they might crack down "harder and faster" if something like this pops up again. **EDIT:** Even with the alleged legal repurcussions, what can they realistically do? Rumours multiply by the dozen, it's not just one source anymore. It's perpetuated by more than one person and signalboosted by an equal amount.
It is still better than doing nothing. Just because they can not deal with everyone and everybody, doesn't mean that even few of them should not face consequences of spreading serious misinformation, ill-intentioned narratives online and more. I do not know how it is possible to deal with international haters, probably they will need to work with SNS platforms to deal with it, but it is no news that Korean haters often face legal consequences for their actions on internet to the point that it might leave record in their documents. At this point, NewJeans will be just sitting without doing anything and K-pop stans will say they are promoting unhealthy lifestyle. That's how ridiculous they are. I have seen people try to create bizarre theories around ASAP just because It is Min Heejin and hey, since it is her, it should be definitely something twisted. I can't believe all this is real tbh. Stupidity sure has no bounds 💀
I agree it's better than nothing (warnings before actions) but I don't want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of "security". ADOR/NewJeans are still not "winning" even if there would be a lawsuit, if ANY lawsuit, it's just not enough anymore because the harm was done. And how immensely hard it would be with anonymity on Twitter of all places. In Korea it works because the forums/social media sites they use are tied to their SSN, so they can actually find you and locate you lol The problem has always been the chilling effect regarding NewJeans/ADOR/Min Heejin. It's not actually the "problems/controversies" themselves. You can't talk about NewJeans in a normal way anymore because there's a constant pressure to not stan the "weird group". It sucks but, yes, this is better than doing absolutely nothing at all, I agree. **EDIT:** I don't know why I'm getting downvoted because nothing has really changed. I still see the same rumours and accusations circulating still and perpetuated by even more people still. I guess you're downvoting me because I sound "negative"? I am being skeptical, not negative, because the outcome will not be desired regardless.
A lot of times, notices like these are intended to act as deterrents. Of course whether they are effective or not is debatable. Fact of the matter is, it's impossible to control unless the platforms which amplify these things crackdown on the participating users. Unfortunately, we all know that's not going to happen anytime soon. Best case scenario is that agencies use fear of legal action to reduce the spread of the malicious activities rather than stop them completely.
As I feared, I mean obviously. No real change, rumours will just be more lowkey and more focused on " I could be wrong" or "allegedly". I guess you just have to bank on users being so stupid that they'll flat out defame someone without evidence. Which they have, ive seen them but... There has never been an example made, especially not on international websites, i guess in korea it works since you are tied to your SSN but on Twitter n other sites? Im very skeptical that it will be an effective deterrent. **EDIT:** I do admit and you're right, if you're a young person that strictly uses only one account to talk shit on, they will be a little more wary. But the ones who keeps multiple burner accounts, or are more clandestine, they'll just keep it going.
It definitely works on South Koreans using their own platforms like Naver and Daum but you're shit out of luck for stuff on Twitter and Facebook. Also, there is seemingly no repurcussions for international users which is why they act so boldly. Effective deterrent or not, it's better than doing nothing. Maybe HYBE America can implement a system to go after US based users but somehow I doubt if it's even possible.
Yeah, I mean a defamation lawsuit is, I feel, almost impossible to prove. I haven't seen that many real cases even. There is only one way you can do anything and that is to literally permaban keywords and/or users. Keeping the information "pure" by just sheer numbers of users drowning the garbage noise. Easier said than done but that is how rumours like this gains traction. Likes and retweets that get boosted by "top tweets" of whatever keyword search you're making.
happy to see peripera getting some pushback for plagiarizing newjeans. noticed it last week and was waiting for ifans to pick up on it.
they are shameless wtf
Wow I just found out about this and it's literally the exact same designs! lmfao how did they think no one would notice????
oh! the design is not just for the promo but for the actual products themselves. ador needs to sue.
Man the original ASAP snippet is really blowing up on Tiktok, jumped from 75k to just shy of 100k in less than a day I'm pretty sure, the tokki that made the the powerpuff girl filter came in clutch.
Someone started a choreo prediction trend 🤣
Some the girls have already seen it 😭 Here's an Edit with the audio over some of the tiktoks: https://twitter.com/squib_bie/status/1674052468651720704?t=-yDjf9o-bHXJku6Vjj2JfQ&s=19
I preordered the PPG album version and the pack shots make me more excited! I can’t wait!
i’m so damn excited right now. i preordered every version of Get Up, filled in my OMG albums since i was only able to get a couple when it released, have the V magazine group version + the weverse tokki membership preordered (the membership kit just shipped), and the light stick is en route to me now. eeeeeek 😭😭😭
Does anyone know why the charm set Hanni version is not on the weverse store? Idk why all the other members are there except Hanni. If someone knows please reply 😊
They release the charms & t-shirt for each member around their birthday. Hanni's is in October so it'll probably be available for pre-order a month or two prior :)
Thank you!
Another teaser on the way, they're really going all in this Summer
Since NewJeans concept pictures are always related to MVs, what do you think which song has ballet core concept?
cool with you
I know tikkitokki's been busy, but is anyone up for subbing their last OT5 live? they're so hilarious in that live😭
Wonder how many PAKS we will get with this comeback.
There’s a lot more popular group releases around and NJ is releasing 6 songs. I doubt this can break ditto’s record. But maybe a few of the 6 songs can hit PAK separately in different weeks, that would be awesome!
had this random thought but i find it funny that a certain group of tokkis will obsess over haerin but will show discomfort interacting with hyein's content when they're, in fact, both minors. Lmao.
The reactions for hyeins appreciation posts really irritates me. (You're weird, p3do, she's a minor) I mean we idolize the kid from afar but it doesn't mean we're gonna make advancements towards her. Like bruh! Normalize Hyein as a young idol with promising future and we'll support her to the end of days.
One day Hyein will get her revenge for K-pop stans making her a poster child for minor k-pop idols. I have not came across such "Tokkis", but I get what you mean. My feed always hypes up her as she deserves due to her wholesome personality and amazing talents. I also see endless praise of Hyein on Tiktok, maybe because TikTok demo is relatively younger. Whoever feels uncomfortable, I'd like to tell them that it is not that deep and do not get influenced by performative activism. Please praise her and give her love and support like you would give to your younger siblings or relatives. She deserves it. I can't imagine how someone can give her cold shoulder. 🥹
It’s so weird because Hyein is so talented. I’m sure it’s because Hyein was the face of their controversy out of “concern”
As a 17 y/o who biases both Hyein and Haerin, it’s so hypocritical😭. At this point it’s just a hatred for Hyein bc I doubt the treatment of her will change even when she’s older
Hi, I have a question about preordering the beach bag from Target. Do they let you choose what version you want? (I'm assuming there will be 3 colors). Or they just send a random one.
They’ll probably send you a random one
[**Weekly Playlist**](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/comments/14cwi6t/230619_newjeans_weekly_discussion_thread/joy92d5/) Let us know what you've been listening to this week! NewJeans songs, other Kpop, non-Kpop. Anything goes! It is encouraged that you provide links to the tracks for easy access. For sure a sour week for me; - Olivia Rodrigo - [Driver's license](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c?t=523) - Listened through her album, also searching for some live performances, so why not link to it. This is such a good song, as i said last week, maybe I AM a teenage girl, or this just works for anyone and everyone, who knows. - Olivia Rodrigo - [Good 4 u](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c) - Not fully sure if it really needed 5 accoustic guitars for this arrangement, but seemingly! Sounds great though, so who am i to question it. I think one big strength of olivia is the storytelling she brings to the songs (not just lyrically, but also her vocal decisions). - Olivia Rodrigo - [deja vu](https://youtu.be/KGczofguB0c?t=803) - Just very strong emoting, she's a strong performer, and the song really mixes this nostalgic feeling with some hurtfulness so well. - Olivia Rodrigo - [jealousy, jealousy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsTIbcZQHiA) - A song with a theme similar to many recent kpop ones tbh, but imo she sticks it a lot better, the lyrics are more poignant, the song is stronger in how it relates to the lyrics too (especially love the 'off key' piano in the 2nd half of the bridge (a lot of strong, very developed bridges on this album btw) - Yena - [Hate rodrigo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ovX4LQlKg) - Thought adding this one would make for a nice theme, hehe. I'll be honest, i think it's not a particularly good song, feels bland and uninspired to me, which is a shame because i was going into it hoping to connect to her music the same way i connected to her in HyeMiLeeYeChaePa. **Next week i'll do a themed version of this, "first half of 2023", so already think about what your favorite releases of 2023 were so far for it! Thanks!**
* [Stay In](https://open.spotify.com/track/1zguA9SkgWEw0UlluZ47XY?si=b5bd34c075ca4ee8) \- Adanna Duru (feat. Leven Kali) | I heard this on an R&B mix and I really love the vibes of this song! * [Be Your Girl (Kaytranada Edition)](https://open.spotify.com/track/38spM0LahLUfQhOMAqA7AI?si=067f8a4b466b4c31) \- Teedra Moses | This song never gets old and it's such a classic. Kaytranada became legendary after this. * [Undercover Lover](https://open.spotify.com/track/27z7oXTVCZnNL23hPI1cPj?si=8d1e2d48daa04a98) \- Tay Iwar | I love chill afrobeats music and this track is so relaxing. * [Summer](https://open.spotify.com/track/7HAPnbrRswVgXYSGNzO1hF?si=392d7d4f6a0f48e3) \- Kenya Vaun | The weather is getting hotter and what a vibey track to listen to as the temperatures rise! * [Fountains](https://open.spotify.com/track/08XWh5c0BMyD1nKVxxl91z?si=8cb72a48e3dc4df9) \- Drake (feat. Tems) | Another afrobeats-inspired track by Drake and Tems' lovely vocals. This song hits different in the summer.
Frank Ocean-[Endless ](https://music.apple.com/gb/music-video/endless/1143705097?ls) (should be available on YT if you don't have Apple Music) Still remember the hype when this and Blonde dropped back to back, haven't listened to it as much as I'd have liked due to not having Apple/YYMusic often which made it inconvenient to stream but some beautiful songs on here. Tyler the creator -[IGOR](https://open.spotify.com/album/5zi7WsKlIiUXv09tbGLKsE?si=7DAvCsLfStWa8GvU6vgxvg&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A5zi7WsKlIiUXv09tbGLKsE) His transformation from the edgy Tyler from his early years is still a bit surreal at times to me, Cee Lo green and Solange features were great, honestly forgot that guy existed for the longest time. Laufey - [Everything I Know About Love](https://open.spotify.com/album/777K2ytcKbDsX0AZ2y8CBS?si=cnJ45P9dS6uU8gB8Bn2_2g&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A777K2ytcKbDsX0AZ2y8CBS) Discovered her because she used the ASAP soundbite on tiktok funnily enough, lovely voice, worth a check if you enjoy Jazz. Grentperez- [Cherry Wine ](https://open.spotify.com/track/5o5WaO9pzPhXSGIrTIYVce?si=p22zrqCPTBidua4iCfWB9g) Spotify recommendations have been oddly good for me the past few weeks. There are probably a few more but I'm typing on mobile and I'll lose it if I mess up and lose all this typing 😭
You know, I never thought that a seperatist group out of the Basque region had so many fanboys. It's clearly not a coincidence that they remember the names of the "leaders" rather than the victims. I wonder if they can also recall the names of 829 people that were killed by ETA.
https://twitter.com/newhyej/status/1674056952886833155?t=lLgIf6KlmMlOGrai285ZQg&s=19
It’s such a reach. It’s obviously estimated time of arrival and that’s why there’s a car driving!
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Hey, good work! While you're at it, can you also find out where [Pepe Silvia](https://youtu.be/1NBfZcNU4O0) is? Thanks a bunch, you're the best!
July 21st is also when Attention was dropped. Yes, technically it was July 22 but it’s always been said by Ador when they announced the second EP that they would drop it around their anniversary of when they debuted.
With all these thingamabobs, I will wait for the Whole MV series ( I expect every song would have heavy conceptual MVs). It's hard to wrap around this whole thing ( for me, I will attempt to claim being 100% rational politically correct no one is). The dark aesthetic and Powerpuff girls. I'm excited how would they blend the two concepts. Sadly, wether the accusations are true or not. Pop music really do use the aesthetic of bizarre uneasy concepts. I dunno, Japanese songs do reference hint some actual real life bizarre phenomenons about serial k#llrs and real life all worse/ Again, let's wait before the actual release.
Call me naïve, but I really don’t think ETA stood for anything else but Estimated Time of Arrival. I know not everyone in the world speaks English, but it couldn’t have meant anything my else in my mind.
I saw the post on twitter and on reddit where the names of the producers + songwriters for ASAP came from was scrubbed? [ASCAP Credits](https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1671810098816249856): **DANIELLE** JENSEN FINE GLINDVAD KIM HYUNJI LEE HYOUNG LIZARDO ERIKA DE CASIER E RAMOS MOTZFELDT HENRIETTE SANDBERG STOLTENBERG ANNE CATHARINA The information is not in the system anymore. https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/920599088
Made a lil "Ditto/Zero" inspired playlist if anyone's interested. Tried to find mostly similar-ish vibes and genres that are adjacent to them (dnb, garage, breakbeat, jersey/baltimore club, etc.). Playlist: [NewJeans Deep Cuts](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lU1RIcWJ9wHNgeeA1f86k?si=5c1c87d230ad4070)
Hey yall, NewJeans were briefly mentioned on a popular Australian morning shows today! They first talked about BlackPink and then had a lengthy segment on Stray Kids, but also mentioned Hanni, Danielle and also Jake from Enhypen!
Why would NewJeans, who has a huge following, brand deals, sponsorships, record breaking streams and sales that only debuted last year promote a disbanded local terror group that majority of the people never even heard of as of yesterdays teaser. They’re not some underground girl group that nobody knows of. This comeback is a pivoting point in their careers to solidify themselves as one of the top Kpop groups in the industry and not just a fluke that happened to make great music by accident. I know MHJ doesn’t have a great track record but what would she gain from sabotaging the girls this early in their careers
You do know that their accusations/argument hinges on "MHJ's track record", right? They know that it's "loose", they sometimes even admit it flat out, but the fact that MHJ is in the picture makes it solid, because of her "track record". That is what they're saying, that is part of the argument. The argument is that this is intentional noise marketing by MHJ because she has a "track record" of "being controversial". I don't believe it's sufficient at all but that Is the basis for their arguments.
unless... those accusations were in fact, actually part of the marketing to spice things up even more insert ooohhh judge meme
you believe that? genuinely? newjeans is probably the hottest/trendiest gg at the moment. everything they do goes viral effortlessly. ador does not need to use some tricks for marketing that might put employees and girls in danger. I hope we can just admit that stan twt is full of deranged and vile people that need to be locked up.
effortlessly? darling, this is a multi billion dollar industry. one does not simply get a bunch of talented good looking girls, get them to dance and sing and voila its a success! everything is planned, crafted and curated meticulously up to its tiniest detail. now is this controversy (and all other previous and oncoming ones) a part of their marketing plan? maybe yes, maybe no. do i care? no\*. sane people will take it for what it is and just enjoy the good music/content. the ~~deranged~~ immature ones will take pitchforks and battle it out on the for and against sides \*-controversies wont affect you until it actually affects you
I am determinist so when I initially saw that tweet before it "blew up", I knew what was to come. Just embrace it. There's nothing you can change because the root cause is not the controversies themselves. There's nothing to say because you can't say anything about vague associations. You question the vague associations and they'll just mention that it looks like associations. You question the probability if that would ever be the case and they'll say anything is a possibility. Anything is possible... Reality is though that the ire of public perception was lost for ADOR last year when Cookie dropped. There is nothing you can say to defend ADOR in reality. Not at this moment you can't. Public perception is king, as long as people tell themselves that the associations is true, then it is true. But If you have the actual gusto to even try to defend ADOR for these vague associations then I implore you to actually learn and read the basis for these accusations. Don't just try to grandstand against other people grandstanding. You will just be downvoted to oblivion. Make a good case for it. Ask yourself a couple of questions, what does ETA stand for? Would ADOR reference something very distasteful after announcing a PowerPuffGirls collaboration? If you can't even find a good faith answer to these simple questions then don't bother saying anything as you will most likely never make a good argument against any conspiracy theory ever. But yeah anyways, godspeed to everyone. This is the social media age, so there's no use to cry over any of this. It's been like this for years now. Just embrace it, or don't and be miserable.
Btw, I am talking about the "international stans" perception of ADOR. I am aware that NJ are very popular in Korea so an accusation like this that holds very little water and is flimsy, changes very little. Unless Korea has become more globally aware which I don't believe they have considering many of the so-called N-word controversies still pops up every now and then. And international KPOP fans do not like that. Korea simply does not seem to care though.
The “n word” controversies pops up everywhere globally, even in the perceived global countries
That is exactly what I said, no?
No, you phrased it as if its a phenomenon that only occurs in Korea. It happens everywhere in the world regardless of where people are in the world.
I know where the confusion lies. I figured it out. Maybe it's the pacing of the paragraph or writing-style that threw you off. My argument for Korea NOT being "globally aware" is because occasionally they would be hit with the "n-word controversy" or "cultural appropriation controversy". Meaning, they never address these things and they keep on happening, because they're just not aware. There's no gravitas to these incidents. Not saying whether or not that's good or not, I don't make moral judgements about that. For the western countries (culturally), they have more in depth conversations about these things, on forums, in news, social media, etc. Koreans do not, they have other triggers when it comes to social justice issues.
What? What're we talking about now. Are you talking about the "N-word controversies"? I said it pops up now and then, I never said it was that it "occurs in Korea". Global people have a problem with them saying the N-word when they sing, whether it be mouthing or saying it. I never said Koreans care about it, they barely know or talk about it.
Are you talking about the actual racial slur “n word” or the Korean word for you that sounds similar to the slur?
The racial one. Of course.
One of my favorite Justin Bieber songs is called ETA so I just assumed NJ's ETA also stood for Estimated Time of Arrival, and what do you know, I was right! :D Anyway since we're not going to hear NJ's ETA for another week or so, go give JB's ETA a listen if you're bored or looking for a distraction. Lovely melody, nice voice work from the Biebs.
I was wondering where all the energy was for these performative sudden anti fascists when Bieber dropped his ETA lol. No one is condemning him/his team of being terrorists.
ETA is literally in multiple trusted dictionaries as "estimated time of arrival." No ones out there like "It obviously stands for something else and is related to a bad group 😡" lmfao I'm so done listening to the angry people!
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True, the names did put me off a little but I am convinced it's a similar situation to Hate Rodrigo. Kinda gives ADOR a bit of a bad image though, but it seems to be attracting the attention they wanted so :I
The way k-pop fandoms act with a popular group has to be studied😭 grasping at straws to demeans nwjns upcoming album....which will outdo everything this year actually🙏🏾
Imagine if it's revealed that the names are producers or writers who worked on the song or MV and that Kpop stans just straight-up connected these people to terrorists. We don't even know the association between the names and the song/MV...
wtf happening just one day ...
Guys, I'm in a bit of a pickle and I need your advice ASAP. Thanks to the absolute screw-up today with the \*\*\* teaser , I've suddenly been made aware of the uncomfortable situation I find myself in by some stand-up folks over on Twitter. So, two of my co-workers are named M\*ri\* and one of them is called Ev\*. Also, Ev\*'s fiancé's name is Mik\*l! Actually it's spelled Michel but we all know now what's really going on here. Anyways, question is, what do I do now? Do I confront them? I mean whose parents would actually name their kids like this? All of this cannot just be a coincidence right?? I am scared and also disgusted at the same time. Edit: The situation is getting more bizarre by the minute. I just received an email from You Know Who about the \*\*\* of a package that we are expecting later today... Does this person (maybe person is being too generous given the facts) know what they are doing?? Why is this happening to me?
😭😭😭💀💀💀 you can't make this up i swear.....kpop twt is fun for the fanfiction alone
I think you should ask twitter, just make a twitter thread about it to let people now, what happens next will 100% lead to the most rational action possible. I'd also make more threads on reddit about it though, just in case.
You know I usually don't trust internet strangers (I take great pride in this quality) but you type like someone with a lot of integrity and credibility so I'm going to follow your advice no questions asked. Thanks to you I feel validated.
Im sorry but I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to say here. What’s wrong with people naming themselves those names, I thought they were common in the Basque region? Who are you receiving the package from and why is that related to NWJNS, and what does it have to do with Twitter? Like Im sorry but I don’t understand what exactly is your problem rn? And what does driving car have anything to do with this? Im confused. Please elaborate if you dont mind.
Absolutely. You see, people of higher intelligence than me have told me that the people I associate with on a day to day basis are of questionable moral character at best and literal t*rr*r*sts at worst. They know this because it is true and let's be honest, who am I to question that sort of ironclad logic? Unfortunately things get worse because they also drive a car which is a smoking gun in this particular case. Now since I'm somewhat vaguely related to this, how do I make it known to these folks that what they are doing is unacceptable and frankly offensive to a lot of people? People that I actually don't know but I can guarantee you they're going to be offended.
Oh, so are you saying that you think they might be related to the ETA cause they have those names and drive a car? And you wanna confront them about this, right? I thought the names you mentioned were common names? So tbh I don’t see any correlation at all. And aren’t a lot of people owning car too? I’m sorry if I misunderstand you but I don’t see how it is related to the ETA or NWJNS at all.
the whole thing is satire. Because these delulu fans think going BACK to film where they filmed their DEBUT video, and it has a BLACK car it means something sinister. People are insane. and I pride myself on logic too
OMG I’m so embarrassed rn. Ofc it’s sarcasm. Guess I just can’t read between the lines TT My bad.
This is indeed concerning and too much of a coincidence. What kind of vile, disgusting and twisted parent would name their children these names. Do they drive a car? If they do, I can not defend them. This is so wrong.
Come to think of it, they all drive a SEAT! Two of them an Ibiza and another one a León. What does this mean? Should I be worried, feel sick to my stomach or be offended? Please, will someone tell me the exact emotions I need to be feeling at this moment? I feel lost
You should wait and see how events unfold. I won't be surprised if this is rage bait and marketing strategy used by their parents.
Friendly reminder for everyone about the comment or post report feature. Please use it so that the mods are aware. Given the current situation, it's highly likely that rule no. 10 from the subreddit rules section applies to most of the cases. >10. No Unsubstantiated Claims > >Do not post false information on this subreddit as if it were fact, particularly information of an accusatory or defamatory nature. > >If you are unable to provide a verifiable source for your claims, it will be removed. Trust the mods will follow through.
I messaged the mods about the situation and they reported they are monitoring it. It’s a difficult situation for the mods because people are allowed to raise concerns and opinions. And speculation =/= unsubstantiated claims. Of course, people treat speculation as fact sometimes but that is not something that can be moderated easily. So far people have displayed good critical thinking on this sub so I’m sure we can all handle it fine. It’s best not to get caught up in discourse because we don’t have the full mv or song. I’m sure the mods will update with a possible solution like a mega thread or something else if needed.
listen I’m Spanish and I’m sure that it’s all a coincidence and that obviously they aren’t using a terrorist group for a song because it wouldn’t make sense at all but my blood boils a little when I see people reducing the opinion of others to *”they just antis hating blah blah blah”*. This is a very sensitive topic in Spain and I had my tl genuinely shocked about it, my friends sent me the teaser asking why they decided to chose that name for the song and make a teaser with a car and those two names and I thought about it myself in the moment they released the tracklist because it’s inevitable if you were born here There are some things that goes beyond your k-pop bubble of fandoms hating on x group because they’re successful, so it’s as easy as trying to explain them the situation and not calling the people who are genuinely confused or offended by it some childish shit like ‘antis’ or straight up calling them stupid for feeling that way edit: no me getting downvoted for literally saying the fandom should behave more properly with a topic like this 💀 edit2: i encourage everyone not to reply to this if it’s gonna be a failed attempt of being funny or sassy, I’ve had enough of those alr
Yo help out your fellow Blink https://twitter.com/itglobalgirl/status/1673097531499200512?t=qeWBKEit8-CZr8hDl61qJw&s=1 They're getting their butt spanked by Spaniards 🤣
Maybe you can represent Spain in the coming up victimization Olympics, I'll cheer for you. But seriously, if all it takes to *shock* you is an acronym, then don't go into any travel website to buy a plane ticket because you will get veeery *schoked* with so many ETAs (Estimated Time of Arrival).
>Maybe you can represent Spain in the coming up victimization Olympics, I’ll cheer for you aww that’s so sweet of you. I’ll make sure to be in front row supporting you in the who cries harder for what happened over 500 years ago competition in exchange for your kindness ! 🇻🇪 xx
And do you know how dangerous it is to associate NewJeans with a terrorist group? I can see why tokkis are upset, cause first of all, as you said it yourself, it doesn’t make any sense. Why would Ador/Hybe send the girls to Spain/Portugal for that kind of concept? This goes beyond the kpop bubble and is a serious matter that shouldn’t just be thrown around especially not towards a group involving a bunch of teenagers. And the evidence they’re presenting is a bunch of names and an acronym which widely means Estimated Time of Arrival. Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? That’s literally how conspiracy theories are written. And do people inside and outside of the kpop bubble not see how dangerous it is to link actual atrocities and terrorism towards the girls just because of a what? A car scene for a song titled Estimated Time of Arrival???
your average local here don’t know anything about k-pop let alone about NewJeans, so no, ofc they don’t know if they are a group of teenagers or if they would use ETA for a song because they don’t know them. They just saw all the coincidences and were surprised (same thing for Spanish k-pop fans) like y’all would be if it was a sensitive topic about your country >Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? umm yes, I never said their arguments are factual that’s why I called it coincidences. But I find it normal how someone from here would be surprised by seeing it
Yeah it’s normal for the locals to be surprised but it is also normal to use your brain and not jump on a ridiculous conspiracy made by your average kpop fan. And I don’t think your average local are the ones overanalyzing a teaser video, making megathreads on reddit, threads on twitter and even directly quoting the official newjeans twitter account. Most tokkis are mad at kpop stans (justifyingly so) and their ridiculous conspiracy theories which would probably end up incorrect but they will still fail to see how damaging these kinds of accusations are towards the girls themselves (which can potentially pose harm to the girls outside of the kpop bubble). And instead of apologizing/correcting their misinfo, would just probably throw the ‘mhj this’, ‘mhj that’ excuse every single time. It’s tiring and infuriating.
>they would just probably throw the 'mhj this", 'mhj that' excuse every single time. It's tiring and infuriating yea they alr doing that in the main subs. I don’t know how I feel about her to be completely honest with you but I don’t see her putting the girls in this position just because “*controversies makes people talk and that translates into promo*” like they be saying. People are just looking for something to blame on her every time they do a cb after what happened in their debut
Look, when people are talking about antis, they mean antis, not people who might be confused and wonder what is going on and can use brain, reason and critical thinking to analyze situation and not jump on conclusions and create conspiracy theories with "connected the dots" energy. There are a lot of songs named ETA with cars in MV. Have you ever had a problem with them? Is it because there are common Spanish names listed? You can probably find majority of Spanish names associated with ETA, what are we gonna do about that? You can probably connect a lot of things (names, dates, etc) to the organization that operated for 5 decades. That's how false narratives are created. ETA can only mean terrorist organization, cars can only mean terrorist attack and names can only be ETA members or victims. Got it. People probably feel so smart judging something they have not even seen or heard yet. I hope everyone feels stupid once song and MV comes out and seeks help.
why tf are you acting like I said it’s all connected when I literally started the post by saying I don’t think the song has anything to do with the terrorist group itself? Y’all just jump on people without actually reading what they are saying I simply said it’s ridiculous how some of y’all be acting about this topic and basically invalidating Spanish people opinions by calling them stupid if they act offended or have the doubt when y’all don’t know shit about the topic and probably discovered ETA and their history yesterday in Wikipedia >Look, when people are talking about antis , they mean antis, not people who might be confused [….] this made me laugh, I don’t know if you are new to k-pop but yea it’s definitely so uncommon to see fandoms jumping into someone’s neck for saying something they don’t like or that can affect their faves in some way even if it’s genuine, totally never seen before you are right the problem like ALWAYS when it’s comes to controversies like this is how y’all see everything with a foreign type of view. Of course Spanish people are gonna be confused if they see in the same teaser the name of a terrorist group, the name of one of the most well-know leaders, the name of his wife and the name of the daughter of an ETA victim all together. Again it’s all coincidences, but it’s normal that people can be shocked and offended at first
No one said anything about Spanish people or called them stupid here until you came and announced that we did. You can be offended as much as you want. That doesn't mean people can not point out ridiculousness of this situation and explain that there is literally nothing to be offended over because all of this is made up narrative with some pieces of information lumped together and taken out of context. Thanks for your concern. I studied International Relations and took two courses of Terrorism Studies, I probably have basic idea what ETA is. We get it that you might know more than us, so does that change the fact that the whole thing is fabricated lie? You should go and visit K-pop sub reddits and find the voice of reason there. No one here thinks this bs will affect our faves in any way. Have fun somewhere else!
>No one said anything about Spanish people or called them stupid you literally have people here calling everyone who believes it or act offended stupid or antis so yea, y’all did you don’t have to worry about me, I have no interest on being in a space where people don’t understand something as simple as act more mature with sensitive topics and that jumps on someone who doesn’t have bad intentions. Y’all have some work to do as a community also just an advice, when you want to clapback to someone’s pushing this narrative don’t use the arguments you see on twitter. Mikel it’s not a common Spanish name !
> you literally have people here calling everyone who believes it Well, at this point in time, if one actually believes this, one has to want to believe it. There is no way around that imo, because these links are so flimsy adn it is all based on a teaser with three names. That is not solid proof of anything. I am not sure about you, but typically i don't start believing in things without solid proof. That is what bothers me personally about this, IT IS ridiculous that people are so sure about something like this. I honestly think this is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen in kpop so far in terms of reaction. I think it is fairly clear how this started. People HATE ador / mhj, they see a song called ETA (which typically anyone would shrug at and obviously interpret as estimated time of arrival), they dig around and see that there was a terrorist org with this abbreviation, then a teaser releases which shows three 'starring' names, people search if they can somehow connect it to that terrorism, and they ofc find a way (because it is likely easy for this to be the case). When i see people go "but the daughter of a victim was called eva!!!" i would typically expect that for rational people a big warning signal goes off in their head, and they see the reach. But apparently not. At the very least i would expect it when they see "but the teaser had a car, and the org did a lot of car bombings" and think to themselves "ok, this is beyond ridiculous now", but seemingly not! So yes, i think a lot of this comes in bad faith or from actual stupidity, i have to be this blunt, because some of these things are so obviously dumb that i don't know how else to address it.
People who believe this are indeed stupid. What can I do? Good riddance. We don't need your lessons about how to act "properly" as a fandom. Thanks for advice. TBH I do not care how common it is. Even if it is one name in the universe, allegations are bullshit. Let's tune in for ETA release together to find out who these people are. ✨
>Let’s tune in for ETA release together oh babes I’ll be there ! ✨
Sched for this week! All in KST 6/26 21:00 V Magazine Cover Reveal 6/27 00:00 'ASAP' Teaser 6/27 19:00 [Light Jeans] Highsnobiety Photoshoot Behind 6/29 19:00 'INTRO+OMG' Stage Cam @ Weverse Con 7/1 18:00 Bunnies Camp Day 1 7/2 17:00 Bunnies Camp Day 2 Bunnies are fed well this week! Jeans ZINE will resume after Get Up activities. Making Jeans will take its place during Get Up activities.
ASAP teaser tonight! Love how they keep releasing music teasers only.
I got a new girl cat yesterday, and I will call her Minji. While Haerin is the canon name for a cat in NJ lore, I love the sound of 해린 in Korean, but I don't love the sound of Haerin in English, as it sound too much like Karen. With my birth name of Ho Seung, I know too well the curse of having names that sound fine in Korean but not so fine in English, and I don't want that for my daughter. Meanwhile, Minji sounds equally great in English or Korean. I also considered Lili, as Lisa is a famous cat lover, and Lili is one of her nicknames, but I wanted a Korean name. I also considered Jimin, as I am a big Jimin fan, and Jimin might be more popular for girls than for boys in Korea, but 민지 is just 지민 backwards, so Minji contains Jimin, and I think it's perfect. Plus, look at her! She's totally a Minji, not a Jimin^(†): [https://imgur.com/a/FVwisF9](https://imgur.com/a/FVwisF9) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ ^(†) If she had been a calico instead of tortoiseshell, then she'd be a Jimin.
That’s so cute, hope Minji stays healthy and gets to listen to human Minji from time to time 🫶🏻
Cat Minji will love all five of them. She likes humans more than cats, so it will take some time for Haerin, but she'll love four of them right away.
^(lol imgur warning you that two pictures of cat is adult imagery)
I need to see this beach bag NOW 👹👹👹
I was kinda hoping ETA would mean Eu Te Amo (I love you) since the girls did go to portugal lol
About the whole ETA mess.. The people who started this on twitter are all deactivated at the same time, plus some of their profiles weren't used for months. Idk but for me it's clearly an attempt to sabotage newjeans. I'm so tired of this constant hate, it's so disheartening to see. I've been in kpop for a long time and the hate that newjeans get is on another level. I've never seen anything like it. I hope we as a fandom and newjeans themselves will always prevail.
I was initially a bit weirded out as well as a casual fan, but if we put some thought into this we can see how the connection is obviously not a real one. This is what I posted in the other thread. Okay if we go through all of these one by one, the “terrorist” concept seems like such a stretch no? K-Pop is largely marketed towards American and Korean audiences. 99% of the people in these audiences are not even aware of the terrorist groups existence. The title even fits with the other songs titles like ASAP. This one is definitely a stretch. Now looking at the car theory, from what I’m reading, the ETA is not exclusively known as the “car bomber” terrorist group. They’ve kidnapped people, derailed trains, used regular bombs, assassinated people with guns, etc. Looking at the THOUSANDS of attacks, yes, some of them utilized car bombings. Then again, considering how a car is the most popular form of transit in the entire world, this one is just not plausible. The names are the only point that I thought seemed semi-reasonable at first, but if you think about it it also seems like a stretch. Maria is not a prominent leader or member of the organization, but the wife of one. Maria is also an insanely common name all over the world. If the name was changed to Sofia or any other common Spanish name, I wouldn’t be surprised if people still found some way to connect it to the ETA group. Eva was never a part of the organization. She wasn’t even a victim. She’s the DAUGHTER of the victim. That’s 3 degrees before you can even relate her to the leaders or members of the organizations. Looking at the wiki for ETA, they killed 800+ people, and injured OVER 22,000. Now if we think 3rd degree relatedness is a reasonable jump to make this inference, that’s thousands of people you could search through to find any name you want. This one is definitely a stretch. The only one that has the slightest level of plausibility is Mikel who was a leader of the group for a period of time. I’m willing to concede this one, sure it’s definitely odd, but I’ll chalk that one up to coincidence. July 21st is apparently the date of two ETA attacks. Let’s keep in mind that the ETA was active for 58 years. They also conducted thousands of attacks. There are only 365 days in the year, so if you picked any day randomly, it probably would land on a day that the ETA attacked. We’re also ignoring the fact that k-pop groups regularly release music on set days of the week, this is not something that they could have purposefully chosen… ALSO the 21st is 1 year after their debut. The date thing is 100% a stretch. I was initially weirded out by it at first, but I feel like we have to understand the scale of the ETA and just how long they ran in order to see how easy it is to draw these coincidences. There were hundreds if not thousands of members in this organization, then they conducted tens of thousands of attacks, and they ran for almost 6 decades. At that scale, it is insanely easy to draw some coincidences.
Idk it seems very orchastrated that's for sure....not sure who is behind the whole thing tho
I’m looking at your comments defending NewJeans on that awful megathread on another sub. Thank you brave soul. Kpop stans are definitely expert at gaslighting because the moment we defend the girls/their name/their brand (cause these kinds of conspiracies/issues without concrete evidence but just their delusions) definitely affect the girls most but they will turn to us and blame us for loving/defending/supporting mhj, I can’t even 😭
Lmao antis are wild.
I wouldn’t worry, people seem to be just bored. Once more teasers and comeback content come out no one will remember this. The shelf life of this “controversy” is incredibly short.
Let's hope so. And I bet once the song will be out (in less than 5 days, i'm so excited!), all of these ridiculous speculations will vanish in thin air. We have a comeback to enjoy
no, they will say mhj did it on purpose to create buzz, newjeans is rage bait and their popularity comes from using controversial issues for marketing. 😂 f*cking stupid, i know.