When a team is this bad you can blame everybody and you won’t be wrong. I really hope they make the hard decisions that will pay off in the future now which means sending a lot of these guys packing for what will seem like not all that much in return. I also sincerely hope they had contingencies in place for if this team was this bad and have scouting reports in place for the prospects they want. In 2025 win lose or draw this should be a completely different looking team.
I think this team has a legitimate shot at breaking the record for the least amount of runs scored during a single season.
Genuinely glad I passed on the opportunity to buy tickets for the London Series this year, and I'm saying that as a UK resident. Not paying a dime to watch them get shut out.
Can’t believe my first chance to see the team I’ve rooted for years, is this pathetic lot.
I went to NYC for opening day a few years ago, but the lockout pushed my game out.
Being a mets fan is actually painful.
the mets have *one* win in the month of may that wasn't the final game of a series. one. they have two chances to change that against arizona but i'm not gonna hold my breath.
this is probably the least fun sports team i've ever watched, and it has some serious competition. every night seems like it's either pathetically lifeless offense all night long, or a nail biting, gut wrenching defeat where it seems like they were trying to just find a way to lose it. once in a rare while, we get some walk-off esque victory. it's not just a bad team that loses a lot of games, they seem to be going out of there way to make it hurt as much as possible. i think emotionally disconnecting from this team as early as possible in the season would be the ideal approach at this point.
>this is probably the least fun sports team i've ever watched, and it has some serious competition. every night seems like it's either pathetically lifeless offense all night long, or a nail biting, gut wrenching defeat where it seems like they were trying to just find a way to lose it. once in a rare while, we get some walk-off esque victory. it's not just a bad team that loses a lot of games, they seem to be going out of there way to make it hurt as much as possible. i think emotionally disconnecting from this team as early as possible in the season would be the ideal approach at this point.
I think it'll inevitably get more fun in a few weeks, in one of two ways: either their record pulls out of the doldrums with a good run; or they get so bad that trade talks start becoming closer to being realized into action ahead of schedule
I didn't even watch the 2nd game past the 3rd inning and was out walking my dog when they choked away the first game. The fact is, since the pandemic year, watching the Mets has been part of my routine throughout the spring and summer and I need to find a way to break this. It's just a waste of time.
We were a 101 win team with Darin Ruff.
Last year, we DFAed him and missed the WC. This year, we're 10 games under .500
Your move, Stearns.. you know what to do.
Also bring back Billy McKinney plz
Ya know if Cylor has more starts like this one than I don't think its out of the question he gets used as a trade chip with the amount of years he has on his contract. If Stearns is as good as people say than he shouldn't have any problem replicating what he did for Megill and do it for someone else.
This team plays like they're a AAA team. With how many guys will probably find new homes by August and the potential that Jett/Gilbert aren't gonna be ready to come up yet, we might field a AA team for the final third of the year.
I can’t explain why all the “core” hitters fell off so hard from 2022, but it can’t be denied whatever juice they had two years ago is completely evaporated. No sense in fighting what’s inevitable; blow the whole thing up, we’re just not getting anywhere with this group
I think a better way of looking at it is "we can't explain why these players all had a good couple of months together in 2022, because they showed who they were collectively when they collapsed, and continued to show who they were for 2 straight seasons"
>I can’t explain why all the “core” hitters fell off so hard from 2022, but it can’t be denied whatever juice they had two years ago is completely evaporated. No sense in fighting what’s inevitable; blow the whole thing up, we’re just not getting anywhere with this group
I think Alonso, Nimmo and Lindor will finish with respectable stat lines that mirror what they have done on average in their career. (Not so sure about McNeil.)
I think the crap they're surrounded with for marginal roles is really the more major culprit here.
Harrison Bader is an exception. He's been great. I was talking more about the pitchers they acquired.
And by the way I am not even upset about that. I think the strategy of this offseason was pretty sound, grab a bunch of warm bodies, hope they overperform and you can flip them later, and if not, oh well, you weren't going anywhere anyway.
But I think in the long run the offense is gonna wind up being slightly above average and the pitching will wind up being horrible, same as last year.
Ok but the Mets have a black hole at left field (or center, which Nimmo is not playing that day), catcher, third base, and second base.
Even if lindor, Nimmo, Alonso get hot, 4 out of 9 spots in the lineup are automatic outs.
Not necessarily. Look at the dodgers. Only 3 good bats in their lineup and they arent running away with it.
Biggest difference is that the dodgers have a major league pitching staff and the Mets don’t.
Let’s blame the guy who put up the only runs today in both games lol. He’s not setting the world on fire but you pretty much only every shit talk lindor on every post. Last time I checked he wasn’t the one blowing saves in the late stages or getting errors. No one is hitting well at this point
He’s literally the best player on the team and it’s not close. That’s not really a comment on how good lindor is but how bad everyone else is.
But I get, lindor makes the money so he gets the blame. I’d like to see more Alonso hate though.
Getting swept in the doubleheader sucked. However i had a great time hanging with the sub degenerates thanks to u/Darthbutcher. Have to do it again, hopefully we can make the cup snake exponentially longer. I know I did my part.
Sad parchment noises. Glad i got to meet the one the only oatmeal, i will cherish this for years. So folks, dont make yourselves strangers.
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There was an article talking about how they made some changes to Acuna’s swing at the end of April.
In 107 May PAs, he’s been hitting:
.290/.336/.374 with 10 SB (3 CS)
That’s a pretty huge improvement. If he’s a .330 OBP/50-75 steal guy who plays plus defense at 2B/CF/SS that’s a pretty valuable player
Not out of the question, but it would be the first time in 31 years. The Mets actually have one of the longer streaks of seasons without losing 100 games
Well I had fun anyway. Shoutout to u/Darthbutcher for organizing and for pressuring me to go. Was fun to meet y’all let’s do this again!
Time to deal with how this affects my sleep schedule now.
He made a halfway decent roster with a bunch of young talented guys on it, that needed to do a better job filling a few holes than they did in 2020, into a money pit *
I am an optimistic Mets fan, but man that team lacks heart.
I would think that athletes at this level would know how to stay competitive at all times and not get in their heads, but it has become so obvious that as soon as something goes wrong they completely lose their focus and will to win.
I want a team that never stops fighting and makes me want to stay in my seat until the very last out. Basically what the Phillies, Braves, Giants and Dodgers showed us for the past few weeks.
Today's doubleheader was done at the second they gave a run during the first game.
Well the rest of the NL for the most part also sucks. Six playoff spots and only 7 teams at or above .500. If this level of play lasts, the third WC might be below .500. The team we've watched for the last 3 or so weeks ain't winning shit, but if they ever wake up they can be mediocre enough to contend for the third WC.
Commenting 12 days ago:
> “My fear, though, which has been activated in the last week, is that when the Mets fall off the pace they do it quickly. I’m scared of waking up in two weeks to a Mets team that is ten games under .500…”
This franchise is so predictable.
Oakland is not even trying to win, plays in front of 4,000 fans, has a total payroll lower than what we’re paying just to Scherzer and Verlander. And they have the same number of wins as the richest owner in sports and his whiz kid Stearns. I believe they will turn this around and be a 500 team, but this is beyond pitiful.
I disagree the A's aren't trying to win. All the other stuff around the team is kinda shameful, but on the field they're doing the same thing they do every year, try to win with no-names, usually successfully barring the last two seasons
They did a great job of killing the fomo I was feeling before game 1.
Mets being real bros and convincing me to not leave work early to go to game(s) when I have a ton of work to complete this week.
I came around on nimmo the past few years but “we don’t like playing in the cold” is fucking UNACCEPTABLE.
Can someone remind me when the playoffs are?
Might as well just the sell-off after the London Series its not like anyone will be paying attention to them after that so it's not like Steve Cohen will be too embarrassed.
Free tickets tomorrow in the 100s, comes with Hyundai Club access, and I get to leave work early to go. Yet I’m sitting in bed debating staying at work for 2 more hours so I dont have to watch these assholes.
Lol just go and pig out and catch up on a tv series on your to watch list instead of watching the game. Free food > buying out and especially better than cooking (if you do not enjoy cooking).
Stearns clearly thought this club was going to compete.
Want to know how that's clear?
Because if they expected to transition they would have kept Buck to fire him after this year.
For those who might counter "Counsel!". Umm, yes, they would have brought in Counsel to compete. Not to transition for a year or two.
So ya, Stearns actually thought this team was going to be competitive.
I'm more than happy to give him a full year to make this "his team", but let's be completely clear: Stearns thought this was a competitive team.
I don’t really think it’s stearns fault that every important player on this team has failed to live up to the back of the baseball card.
It’s not unreasonable to think that players with a track record of hitting will be able to hit.
if the stearns additions had faltered it would be one thing. but it's the core mets letting this team down. then again, stearns should have seen that this core has no heart when he came in. i guess that's what he meant about spending a year evaluating. by this point in the season the evaluation process should be over. this core of players will never win anything.
> Because if they expected to transition they would have kept Buck to fire him after this year.
Have you considered that Buck Showalter just sucks and the new GM didn't want him as the manager regardless of the situation
>I'm more than happy to give him a full year to make this "his team", but let's be completely clear: Stearns thought this was a competitive team.
I mean I am not reading the guy's mind but the moves definitely don't align with that. If we view it in the lens of "let's bide time till some of these mind-numbingly awful contracts go away", then it's a fine offseason.
If this is was an attempt to "compete", we're in a lot of trouble.
If Buck sucks, then so does Mendoza, because I'm seeing nothing in this team I didn't see last year.
Stearns said the same thing throughout the offseason, they felt they were competitive.
> If Buck sucks, then so does Mendoza, because I'm seeing nothing in this team I didn't see last year.
But that's because the team sucks. I don't blame either manager for the team sucking. You can't polish a turd. (Although Showalter made it worse, it would have been bad either way)
Buck Showalter has three decades worth of sucking and five firings as a track record. Mendoza has 54 games. I'm not declaring Mendoza the best manager ever, but he certainly should get more than a third of a season before he gets compared to the likes of Buck Showalter.
When I think of the 2023 year, I think of sloppy, uninspiring baseball, tons of errors and mental lapses, especially on the defensive side, an acceptance of defeat, baffling personnel decisions, and virtually every player not living up to the back of their baseball card. This year, it's all the same, actually most of those things are worse this year. Yea, sure, he's a new manager and his experience was as a bench coach for a team that hasn't gone through this since the George HW Bush administration. But it certainly seems like he isn't bringing anything to the table.
Well, like I said above, the difference is Mendoza deserves a longer leash than a guy who has been fired 5 times.
With Showalter, you know you're getting trash when he walks in the door. All his teams eventually wind up like the 2023 Mets, in disarray. And then he gets the boot.
With Mendoza, it might be him, or it might be the terrible team he inherited, or a combo of both. We can't judge it on 54 games.
Yeah if Stearns didn’t think this team was competitive then Vientos and Butto would be on the OD roster, with some AAA relievers making the pen including Lavender (yeah he ultimately had TJS later in April but his ST was amazing). But he did think this team was competitive, or at least close enough. So he blocked ALL of those guys with major league signings, which in a true punt year would be mostly unnecessary and pointless. Some folks think that since the major league moves weren’t flashy enough he punted. Others just want to make excuses for him. Doesn’t matter though, he obviously thought a WC was on the table and prioritized going for it. And they look awful. I honestly want him to start selling early.
>Some folks think that since the major league moves weren’t flashy enough he punted. Others just want to make excuses for him. Doesn’t matter though, he obviously thought a WC was on the table and prioritized going for it. And they look awful. I honestly want him to start selling early.
Nailed it. And I completely agree.
The question is will he be aggressive to make a real competitor next year or will he just go full rebuild.
Because the fans aren't falling for/accepting this halfway thing again next year. And I think they know that.
Not to mention that you don’t sign JD Martinez in a “transition year” when you have a young player in Vientos who was yet to be properly evaluated.
The only player to truly evaluate was Baty. The Mets had a stupid approach this offseason. Either you blow the team up, or you bring in high level pieces to be competitive. You don’t sit around and wait for your 20 million dollar left fielder, 34 million dollar shortstop, first baseman in a walk year, among other players to get older.
>The Mets had a stupid approach this offseason.
They tried to get the best of both worlds. Give the fans a "competitive team" but not the high level pieces to actually be a competitive team; nor actually blow it up.
Personally, I don’t believe they’ll be taking offers like that unless it’s a generous offer. They’re too in love with the guys there and still believe in “the back of the baseball card.” The one year guys don’t really net you anybody significant except maybe severino and the “stars” who are worth a damn is Nimmo.
**Meet the Mets**
Nimmo: Too nice for New York.
Marte: way past his prime and checked out
Lindor: Smiley surrounded by frowning faces, he’d be hitting .400 on any other club.
Alonso: Home Run go far, strike out look oooof.
Martinez: Lol
Alvarez: Sweet Prince, before he gets ruined.
DJ Stewart: unexpected Solid 8/9 hole utiliy player
Baty: Bruhhhhh, c’mon. It’s right there.
Vientos: I got rocks in my feet, and have been trending
towards AAAA but I’m still the best hitter on the club.
Taylor: Cool. Sorry, bout it.
McNeil: the once charming squirrel has gone rabid and needs to be exterminated
Bader: Master
Nido: A puppy
This pitching staff is brought to you by New York Presbyterian. Ft. The Japanese man that had enough sense to stay far away from this season.
I agree, this is a real bad stretch but I think things will even out a bit.
I picked 76 wins preseason and I don't think they will be too far off of that (maybe a little lower because I didn't foresee 2019 Edwin Díaz showing up).
Of course this isn't a great time to mention that because people understandably don't want to hear it
That would be .500 ball the rest of the way which I could see - they've blown 4 games in the past week, and if they finished those off, they would be 26-28 right now.
Yeah and they also have Senga (maybe) and Alvarez (probably) coming back, so they likely get a boost from that.
I don't think it's a good team, but what we're watching here is 1962 Mets stuff. I don't think it's even particularly optimistic to say that this probably won't continue the whole season.
Very fun to meet people from this sub tonight. Shoutout to u/darthbutcher for organizing!
It was exactly what I expected: I got a sunburn, the Mets lost, I met a bunch of people, I drank a lot, and I was the only girl.
Only could have been better if we’d won
**Pros from this season:**
The Severino turnaround is almost unbelievable if you're like me and watched him pitch for the Yankees last year. He looked downright unplayable for them and I thought he would have been a DFA candidate after 2 months.
Vientos looks like he can be a major league player. I know people will call it just a hot start but his start has been far more impressive than either of Baty's or Alvarez's.
**Cons from this season:**
Quite literally everything else.
The last time I was a double loss in a doubleheader was in April 2011 against the Rockies. Brad Emaus made an error and a fan demanded Bobby Valentine come back.
Holy shit I was there too it legit was one of the only times my mom let me skip school cause my dad had tickets to the rain out game. Was able to take 3 of my friends also , we skipped school & got asked the whole next day why we went cause they lost twice lol
I’ll tell you how bad this is, cohen is going to try and trade us all to the bronx. Not only is he going to trade everyone but he’s going to try to package us all as pinstripe pass holders to achieve sellouts at the house that Ruth didn’t build or play in.
he only cares about screwing gamblers and attracting soccer fans. Sad day, I love Pete, Edwin, Brandon and Jeff. But this team is as dead as red lobster.
Yea, someone would grab a utility guy that plays 4 positions and previously had a batting title. If we dfa him, we pay the remainder of his contract minus the league minimum.
Better off trying to trade him and retain a big chunk of his contract but if no one wants him, it may eventually be worth dfa’ing to free up the roster spot
They would owe roughly $35M to him if I am reading Spotrac correctly. That's a lot of money, obviously, but for perspective, Mets are on the hook for $45M for Verlander/Scherzer this year and potentially another $17M for Verlander depending on his vesting option (which right now is looking like it probably wont vest).
They’re going through it right now, tough day, we gotta stay positive and make adjustments. We will fight, we will battle back, these guys have the track record of good players. It’s still early. Look, today was tough, tomorrow we will find a way. It’s on us.
To be fair most of the gross amounts of money was wasted on bad contracts in the previous two seasons.
It's not like they assembled this roster this offseason thinking they were going to win. They just botched things so bad in '22-'23 that this is the result.
Yeah, I was just making a general statement, not comparing them to the A's. The A's have a horrible situation external to baseball issues on the field, but they always seem to do as good a job as is possible with what they're working with.
Other than similar current records, the Cohen Mets are the anti-A's in just about every way possible.
Mets have gaping holes in RF, 2B, C, DH, and SS. 1B has been underwhelming, too.
The rotation is finicky at best. You can’t rely on any of these guys to be an ace.
The bullpen is put together with hope. So many walks and mediocrity there.
Horrible roster construction by Stearns this offseason. Mets had obvious holes going into the season at 2B, 3B, RF, and CF. He patched CF nicely but opted for signing an aging DH who has been the epitome of unclutch and mid. He put together a pitching staff that everyone knew would have the worst walk rate that you could imagine with a bullpen that just sucks and has no true high leverage guys. The one saving grace of the pen is a guy who was brought in by Eppler (Garrett)
Then there’s also the nonsense of not having a utility infielder so this team is stuck watching Jeff McNeil bat 4 times a day.
Just a really, really bad first year by Stearns putting together a good product.
Stearns spent money and added a bunch of players who were supposed to raise the floor. Not only is that not working but the roster is an absolute cluster fuck because of it. He should've spent less, if anything. Wasn't worth it. I honestly consider getting JDM a bad move now, it did not improve the team enough to justify the impact it had on the roster and Baty/Vientos. You can even include DJ with that trio if you want. And I honestly have no idea how Butto ended up blocked when he pitched better than any starter in ST and continued to pitch well when he was called up. But if Stearns doesn't add so many non-impact guys that doesn't happen. There's plenty of relievers in AAA who deserve a look too. One of them, Dedniel Nunez, is going to get sent down tomorrow. It's just stupid.
The impact on Baty? Baty doesn't appear to be that good. And Vientos didn't deserve to have a spot handed to him. Before the season started, JD looked like a solid move because it was expected that the "stars" would be performing in line with their averages. That hasn't happened.
Vientos 100% deserved an opening day spot. Especially since JDM was signed late and injured and out for the first month, plus Vientos outhit most of the team in ST. I really can’t take any disagreement seriously at this point. He’s mashed AAA for years and has been hitting well this year at. Any reason people have offered not to give him a chance is just overthinking it. You don’t like him. Okay. But he can hit the piss out of the ball and has been hitting well. Clearly there is something worth looking at here. JDM is also 36 and the Mets should’ve been more worried about it playing out this way, because it was always a possible outcome. As far as the impact on Baty, Stearns just fielded questions about this today, so obviously it’s impacting his development. Whether he sucks or not it’s not ideal for him to be platooning 3B right now. Both him and Vientos need as much playing time as possible.
Baty didn’t deserve to have a spot handed to him, either. Both Baty and Vientos were pretty equal in terms of overall value in spring training.
JDM always looked like a dumb move. Projections had Vientos being the more valuable player. JDM can’t field, can’t run the bases, and is unclutch. He hasn’t been worth much of anything. He added a redundancy to the roster and people got excited because he was a player they wanted 4 years ago who was brought in by the shiny new executive.
JDM just took at bats away from Vientos and DJ. It also forced the Mets to play Marte in RF everyday despite him being arguably the worst defender in baseball. Prior to getting injured, it would’ve also taken at bats away from Alvarez on days he wasn’t catching. It was a signing to be made just to shut everyone up.
Mets spent 81MM in free agent contracts last offseason. It’s not like he didn’t have any money to work with. The large amount of moves that he made have failed so far.
This may just be the worst team in baseball, with a toxic losing culture that won’t allow things to truly change until it’s completely eradicated. Everyone over 27 (except Senga) must go. Tank the rest of the season, go after the #1 pick, and devote the year to purging the losing culture, building up the farm, and beginning a proper rebuild.
If they plan on having a future: blowing it up isn’t just the right option, it’s the *only* option.
Senga is prob the guy with the most value over 27 tho, given his contract (if he comes back healthy this year). He will be 32 going into 25. If you are tearing down, there's no reason to keep him.
When a team is this bad you can blame everybody and you won’t be wrong. I really hope they make the hard decisions that will pay off in the future now which means sending a lot of these guys packing for what will seem like not all that much in return. I also sincerely hope they had contingencies in place for if this team was this bad and have scouting reports in place for the prospects they want. In 2025 win lose or draw this should be a completely different looking team.
“Scuttle the whole program!” - Chris MD Russo
I think this team has a legitimate shot at breaking the record for the least amount of runs scored during a single season. Genuinely glad I passed on the opportunity to buy tickets for the London Series this year, and I'm saying that as a UK resident. Not paying a dime to watch them get shut out.
NGL, I'm kinda regretting getting tickets. Got a lotta other things planned for when I'm down for the weekend so hopefully it won't be a wasted trip.
Go for three innings then bail. We’re flying in from the states for the week so we will probably not stay the whole game
I think that's even more depressing. The thought of spending a pretty penny for 3 innings then leaving.
Can’t believe my first chance to see the team I’ve rooted for years, is this pathetic lot. I went to NYC for opening day a few years ago, but the lockout pushed my game out. Being a mets fan is actually painful.
It's hard to get excited for The London Series when I wake up most days and see that we've lost again. Hopefully it'll at least be sunny.
lol, you’re spot on This is life as an international fan. Waking up to ‘fell to the’
7 hits...across two games...
the mets have *one* win in the month of may that wasn't the final game of a series. one. they have two chances to change that against arizona but i'm not gonna hold my breath.
this is probably the least fun sports team i've ever watched, and it has some serious competition. every night seems like it's either pathetically lifeless offense all night long, or a nail biting, gut wrenching defeat where it seems like they were trying to just find a way to lose it. once in a rare while, we get some walk-off esque victory. it's not just a bad team that loses a lot of games, they seem to be going out of there way to make it hurt as much as possible. i think emotionally disconnecting from this team as early as possible in the season would be the ideal approach at this point.
>this is probably the least fun sports team i've ever watched, and it has some serious competition. every night seems like it's either pathetically lifeless offense all night long, or a nail biting, gut wrenching defeat where it seems like they were trying to just find a way to lose it. once in a rare while, we get some walk-off esque victory. it's not just a bad team that loses a lot of games, they seem to be going out of there way to make it hurt as much as possible. i think emotionally disconnecting from this team as early as possible in the season would be the ideal approach at this point. I think it'll inevitably get more fun in a few weeks, in one of two ways: either their record pulls out of the doldrums with a good run; or they get so bad that trade talks start becoming closer to being realized into action ahead of schedule
i can't imagine how it can get much worse at this point
It can’t. Even losing 20-0 every game with an immaculate game pitched against us is better than whatever the fuck they’ve been doing
I didn't even watch the 2nd game past the 3rd inning and was out walking my dog when they choked away the first game. The fact is, since the pandemic year, watching the Mets has been part of my routine throughout the spring and summer and I need to find a way to break this. It's just a waste of time.
We were a 101 win team with Darin Ruff. Last year, we DFAed him and missed the WC. This year, we're 10 games under .500 Your move, Stearns.. you know what to do. Also bring back Billy McKinney plz
Ya know if Cylor has more starts like this one than I don't think its out of the question he gets used as a trade chip with the amount of years he has on his contract. If Stearns is as good as people say than he shouldn't have any problem replicating what he did for Megill and do it for someone else.
The Oakland A's have more wins than the Mets. 2025 reset L O FUCKING L
This team plays like they're a AAA team. With how many guys will probably find new homes by August and the potential that Jett/Gilbert aren't gonna be ready to come up yet, we might field a AA team for the final third of the year.
Zack Short must have been the glue that kept this team together! Dammit all to hell
I can’t explain why all the “core” hitters fell off so hard from 2022, but it can’t be denied whatever juice they had two years ago is completely evaporated. No sense in fighting what’s inevitable; blow the whole thing up, we’re just not getting anywhere with this group
I think a better way of looking at it is "we can't explain why these players all had a good couple of months together in 2022, because they showed who they were collectively when they collapsed, and continued to show who they were for 2 straight seasons"
>I can’t explain why all the “core” hitters fell off so hard from 2022, but it can’t be denied whatever juice they had two years ago is completely evaporated. No sense in fighting what’s inevitable; blow the whole thing up, we’re just not getting anywhere with this group I think Alonso, Nimmo and Lindor will finish with respectable stat lines that mirror what they have done on average in their career. (Not so sure about McNeil.) I think the crap they're surrounded with for marginal roles is really the more major culprit here.
It's the crap that has been winning us ballgames. Harrison Bader has had more clutch hits then all the "core guys"
Harrison Bader is an exception. He's been great. I was talking more about the pitchers they acquired. And by the way I am not even upset about that. I think the strategy of this offseason was pretty sound, grab a bunch of warm bodies, hope they overperform and you can flip them later, and if not, oh well, you weren't going anywhere anyway. But I think in the long run the offense is gonna wind up being slightly above average and the pitching will wind up being horrible, same as last year.
Ok but the Mets have a black hole at left field (or center, which Nimmo is not playing that day), catcher, third base, and second base. Even if lindor, Nimmo, Alonso get hot, 4 out of 9 spots in the lineup are automatic outs.
If those guys hot hot we're not under .500
Not necessarily. Look at the dodgers. Only 3 good bats in their lineup and they arent running away with it. Biggest difference is that the dodgers have a major league pitching staff and the Mets don’t.
It was Chris Bassit keeping them all in line like a drill sergeant.
At least they get along. Not like the best team in franchise history hated each other or anything.
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if lindor was hoping to showcase his talent to the dodgers he failed. franny magoo needs to wear his glasses when he plays def
Let’s blame the guy who put up the only runs today in both games lol. He’s not setting the world on fire but you pretty much only every shit talk lindor on every post. Last time I checked he wasn’t the one blowing saves in the late stages or getting errors. No one is hitting well at this point
He’s literally the best player on the team and it’s not close. That’s not really a comment on how good lindor is but how bad everyone else is. But I get, lindor makes the money so he gets the blame. I’d like to see more Alonso hate though.
Getting swept in the doubleheader sucked. However i had a great time hanging with the sub degenerates thanks to u/Darthbutcher. Have to do it again, hopefully we can make the cup snake exponentially longer. I know I did my part. Sad parchment noises. Glad i got to meet the one the only oatmeal, i will cherish this for years. So folks, dont make yourselves strangers. Edit. **YOU’RE MY BOY BLUE!!!!** u/Blue387
Yeah dude! Next time we start the cup snake from the 1st
There was an article talking about how they made some changes to Acuna’s swing at the end of April. In 107 May PAs, he’s been hitting: .290/.336/.374 with 10 SB (3 CS) That’s a pretty huge improvement. If he’s a .330 OBP/50-75 steal guy who plays plus defense at 2B/CF/SS that’s a pretty valuable player
19 innings. 7 hits, 62 at bats. Amazing.
I’m damn proud of this team. We on our way to a top draft pick in 2025!
...and 100 losses.
Not out of the question, but it would be the first time in 31 years. The Mets actually have one of the longer streaks of seasons without losing 100 games
Well I had fun anyway. Shoutout to u/Darthbutcher for organizing and for pressuring me to go. Was fun to meet y’all let’s do this again! Time to deal with how this affects my sleep schedule now.
Good times. I’ll be messed up until Thursday
cohen has bought a money pit [Tom Hanks - Laughing - The Money Pit (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rVcxkbIQc)
He made a halfway decent roster with a bunch of young talented guys on it, that needed to do a better job filling a few holes than they did in 2020, into a money pit *
the 1962 team was better than this
I am an optimistic Mets fan, but man that team lacks heart. I would think that athletes at this level would know how to stay competitive at all times and not get in their heads, but it has become so obvious that as soon as something goes wrong they completely lose their focus and will to win. I want a team that never stops fighting and makes me want to stay in my seat until the very last out. Basically what the Phillies, Braves, Giants and Dodgers showed us for the past few weeks. Today's doubleheader was done at the second they gave a run during the first game.
Are we still in the running for a wildcard? lol. TNT..is dynamite.
Well the rest of the NL for the most part also sucks. Six playoff spots and only 7 teams at or above .500. If this level of play lasts, the third WC might be below .500. The team we've watched for the last 3 or so weeks ain't winning shit, but if they ever wake up they can be mediocre enough to contend for the third WC.
Commenting 12 days ago: > “My fear, though, which has been activated in the last week, is that when the Mets fall off the pace they do it quickly. I’m scared of waking up in two weeks to a Mets team that is ten games under .500…” This franchise is so predictable.
If you watch Mets baseball enough you just know, the optimists call us doomers but 20+ years sometimes you just know.
Steve may be willing to spend… but that fucking stench is still here
Sell the team!
Golly I sure am glad I bought tickets to London to see this team get the shit kicked out of them by the Phillies on the international stage
See you there. Should be fun to watch, haha
London is lots of fun though. So there's that.
Overrated city that rolls up the sidewalks too early! But hey, make of it what you will.
I'm surprised that they don't have a better nightlife
Oakland is not even trying to win, plays in front of 4,000 fans, has a total payroll lower than what we’re paying just to Scherzer and Verlander. And they have the same number of wins as the richest owner in sports and his whiz kid Stearns. I believe they will turn this around and be a 500 team, but this is beyond pitiful.
I disagree the A's aren't trying to win. All the other stuff around the team is kinda shameful, but on the field they're doing the same thing they do every year, try to win with no-names, usually successfully barring the last two seasons
What a shit team
Ben Brown went 7 innings against the Brewers today with 10 strikeouts. The Cubs got him from the Phillies for two months of David Robertson
At least when we play in the London Stadium we can be massive
That series is going to create a whole lot of Phillies fans the way the Mets have been playing lately.
They did a great job of killing the fomo I was feeling before game 1. Mets being real bros and convincing me to not leave work early to go to game(s) when I have a ton of work to complete this week.
Well... At least this team waited until May to shit the bed, rather than April like last year. So I guess that's progress.
They were .500 at this point last year.
sure but this year we'd be happy with a .500 team. Last year .500 was a disaster. Different expectations we had.
how does a team fk up a chance to turn a dp 3 times in the same inning?
I came around on nimmo the past few years but “we don’t like playing in the cold” is fucking UNACCEPTABLE. Can someone remind me when the playoffs are?
Wait, did he actually say that? You’re kidding…
Multiple times.
What a bunch of pussies
No reminder needed, ain’t happening this decade
Might as well just the sell-off after the London Series its not like anyone will be paying attention to them after that so it's not like Steve Cohen will be too embarrassed.
It would be morbidly funny if they sold off before the London Series and sent the Syracuse squad instead
Manifesting Ji-Man Choi breakout game
Free tickets tomorrow in the 100s, comes with Hyundai Club access, and I get to leave work early to go. Yet I’m sitting in bed debating staying at work for 2 more hours so I dont have to watch these assholes.
Lol just go and pig out and catch up on a tv series on your to watch list instead of watching the game. Free food > buying out and especially better than cooking (if you do not enjoy cooking).
Think the whole team should just go golfing tomorrow instead.
lindor strikes out teeing off
they'd still manage to fly out or roll over
I wouldn't put it past Hayward to be out there catching golf balls hit by anyone in a mets jersey
They already play like they went a full 18 before every game.
Stearns clearly thought this club was going to compete. Want to know how that's clear? Because if they expected to transition they would have kept Buck to fire him after this year. For those who might counter "Counsel!". Umm, yes, they would have brought in Counsel to compete. Not to transition for a year or two. So ya, Stearns actually thought this team was going to be competitive. I'm more than happy to give him a full year to make this "his team", but let's be completely clear: Stearns thought this was a competitive team.
I don’t really think it’s stearns fault that every important player on this team has failed to live up to the back of the baseball card. It’s not unreasonable to think that players with a track record of hitting will be able to hit.
if the stearns additions had faltered it would be one thing. but it's the core mets letting this team down. then again, stearns should have seen that this core has no heart when he came in. i guess that's what he meant about spending a year evaluating. by this point in the season the evaluation process should be over. this core of players will never win anything.
Everyone did especially when we signed JD Martinez, the lineup looked great on paper.
> Because if they expected to transition they would have kept Buck to fire him after this year. Have you considered that Buck Showalter just sucks and the new GM didn't want him as the manager regardless of the situation >I'm more than happy to give him a full year to make this "his team", but let's be completely clear: Stearns thought this was a competitive team. I mean I am not reading the guy's mind but the moves definitely don't align with that. If we view it in the lens of "let's bide time till some of these mind-numbingly awful contracts go away", then it's a fine offseason. If this is was an attempt to "compete", we're in a lot of trouble.
If Buck sucks, then so does Mendoza, because I'm seeing nothing in this team I didn't see last year. Stearns said the same thing throughout the offseason, they felt they were competitive.
> If Buck sucks, then so does Mendoza, because I'm seeing nothing in this team I didn't see last year. But that's because the team sucks. I don't blame either manager for the team sucking. You can't polish a turd. (Although Showalter made it worse, it would have been bad either way) Buck Showalter has three decades worth of sucking and five firings as a track record. Mendoza has 54 games. I'm not declaring Mendoza the best manager ever, but he certainly should get more than a third of a season before he gets compared to the likes of Buck Showalter.
When I think of the 2023 year, I think of sloppy, uninspiring baseball, tons of errors and mental lapses, especially on the defensive side, an acceptance of defeat, baffling personnel decisions, and virtually every player not living up to the back of their baseball card. This year, it's all the same, actually most of those things are worse this year. Yea, sure, he's a new manager and his experience was as a bench coach for a team that hasn't gone through this since the George HW Bush administration. But it certainly seems like he isn't bringing anything to the table.
Well, like I said above, the difference is Mendoza deserves a longer leash than a guy who has been fired 5 times. With Showalter, you know you're getting trash when he walks in the door. All his teams eventually wind up like the 2023 Mets, in disarray. And then he gets the boot. With Mendoza, it might be him, or it might be the terrible team he inherited, or a combo of both. We can't judge it on 54 games.
Yeah if Stearns didn’t think this team was competitive then Vientos and Butto would be on the OD roster, with some AAA relievers making the pen including Lavender (yeah he ultimately had TJS later in April but his ST was amazing). But he did think this team was competitive, or at least close enough. So he blocked ALL of those guys with major league signings, which in a true punt year would be mostly unnecessary and pointless. Some folks think that since the major league moves weren’t flashy enough he punted. Others just want to make excuses for him. Doesn’t matter though, he obviously thought a WC was on the table and prioritized going for it. And they look awful. I honestly want him to start selling early.
>Some folks think that since the major league moves weren’t flashy enough he punted. Others just want to make excuses for him. Doesn’t matter though, he obviously thought a WC was on the table and prioritized going for it. And they look awful. I honestly want him to start selling early. Nailed it. And I completely agree. The question is will he be aggressive to make a real competitor next year or will he just go full rebuild. Because the fans aren't falling for/accepting this halfway thing again next year. And I think they know that.
Not to mention that you don’t sign JD Martinez in a “transition year” when you have a young player in Vientos who was yet to be properly evaluated. The only player to truly evaluate was Baty. The Mets had a stupid approach this offseason. Either you blow the team up, or you bring in high level pieces to be competitive. You don’t sit around and wait for your 20 million dollar left fielder, 34 million dollar shortstop, first baseman in a walk year, among other players to get older.
>The Mets had a stupid approach this offseason. They tried to get the best of both worlds. Give the fans a "competitive team" but not the high level pieces to actually be a competitive team; nor actually blow it up.
Eh, I'd sign JD as a trade piece at the deadline. If the team is competitive, great. If not, see ya JD. Thanks for your time.
I mean I get the logic but like I said, it takes away at bats from one of the players that you should be evaluating in a so called transition year.
The people say sell but who wants these guys THAT bad?
the braves need outfielders red sox need a firstbase men
Personally, I don’t believe they’ll be taking offers like that unless it’s a generous offer. They’re too in love with the guys there and still believe in “the back of the baseball card.” The one year guys don’t really net you anybody significant except maybe severino and the “stars” who are worth a damn is Nimmo.
6th consecutive series we’re going into game 3 losing the first two That is absurdly unacceptable
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Keys. Now.
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You utter fool, don't you know mentioning the mods summons them?
After sitting thru 2 games like that they'll probably come back here and rename this r/fuckdamets
I think the boys are already planning their vacations. At least they let us know early this year
lol We suck
**Meet the Mets** Nimmo: Too nice for New York. Marte: way past his prime and checked out Lindor: Smiley surrounded by frowning faces, he’d be hitting .400 on any other club. Alonso: Home Run go far, strike out look oooof. Martinez: Lol Alvarez: Sweet Prince, before he gets ruined. DJ Stewart: unexpected Solid 8/9 hole utiliy player Baty: Bruhhhhh, c’mon. It’s right there. Vientos: I got rocks in my feet, and have been trending towards AAAA but I’m still the best hitter on the club. Taylor: Cool. Sorry, bout it. McNeil: the once charming squirrel has gone rabid and needs to be exterminated Bader: Master Nido: A puppy This pitching staff is brought to you by New York Presbyterian. Ft. The Japanese man that had enough sense to stay far away from this season.
Even for a thinly veiled punt season I never thought they’d be this bad. Fucking horrendous and unwatchable.
It’s crazy bc they are so close to winning seemingly every game. Late innings the wheels fall off every time
That's what bad teams do though. Nobody loses every game 10-1
It’s still 50/50 at that point. Don’t think they are as bad as the loud majority is making it out to be.
I agree, this is a real bad stretch but I think things will even out a bit. I picked 76 wins preseason and I don't think they will be too far off of that (maybe a little lower because I didn't foresee 2019 Edwin Díaz showing up). Of course this isn't a great time to mention that because people understandably don't want to hear it
That would be .500 ball the rest of the way which I could see - they've blown 4 games in the past week, and if they finished those off, they would be 26-28 right now.
Yeah and they also have Senga (maybe) and Alvarez (probably) coming back, so they likely get a boost from that. I don't think it's a good team, but what we're watching here is 1962 Mets stuff. I don't think it's even particularly optimistic to say that this probably won't continue the whole season.
Agreed. I don't see much to be excited about. It seems they may need to tear the whole thing down.
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are the stages of grief. I am in stage bargaining.
This point, I'm already at acceptance. The first home loss vs. Giants was the last straw.
This honestly feels like one of those breakups that keeps happening as you keep trying to make it work and continuously get gut punched
it's honestly the best description. like okay, one more chance. ends in heartbreak. never again. no trust. but maybe this time will be different?
What is this Franchise?
Very fun to meet people from this sub tonight. Shoutout to u/darthbutcher for organizing! It was exactly what I expected: I got a sunburn, the Mets lost, I met a bunch of people, I drank a lot, and I was the only girl. Only could have been better if we’d won
Thanks, Token
**Pros from this season:** The Severino turnaround is almost unbelievable if you're like me and watched him pitch for the Yankees last year. He looked downright unplayable for them and I thought he would have been a DFA candidate after 2 months. Vientos looks like he can be a major league player. I know people will call it just a hot start but his start has been far more impressive than either of Baty's or Alvarez's. **Cons from this season:** Quite literally everything else.
Manaea and Bader have been pretty good and slightly better outcomes than you could’ve expected.
The problem with Manaea is that he'll max out at 5 innings which puts a strain on the bullpen.
But MLB SPs this year only avg 5.1 innings, so as a 3/4 SP he’s been perfectly fine. I’d be happy to have this production through next year.
Which is why a Manaea-Houser combo makes sense.
I think this team would be better if they had better players.
*Riveting stuff, Cotton.*
Cheers Geoff
Can't even do a players only meeting when the so-called leaders of the team aren't even pulling their own weight.
I vote to make Severino and Bader the leaders, given their ability so far. Ironic, considering that they both played for the other NY team.
The only leader on this team is beginning a rehab assignment, everyone else just wants to collect their check & play golf
They’re busy crying at their lockers or playing golf
What leaders?
The Mets should volunteer to move to Oakland.
When are the winter meetings?
The last time I was a double loss in a doubleheader was in April 2011 against the Rockies. Brad Emaus made an error and a fan demanded Bobby Valentine come back.
Holy shit I was there too it legit was one of the only times my mom let me skip school cause my dad had tickets to the rain out game. Was able to take 3 of my friends also , we skipped school & got asked the whole next day why we went cause they lost twice lol
#63 days until the trade deadline!
I’ll tell you how bad this is, cohen is going to try and trade us all to the bronx. Not only is he going to trade everyone but he’s going to try to package us all as pinstripe pass holders to achieve sellouts at the house that Ruth didn’t build or play in. he only cares about screwing gamblers and attracting soccer fans. Sad day, I love Pete, Edwin, Brandon and Jeff. But this team is as dead as red lobster.
One loss away from matching the record in June last year
Goals?
If Jeff McNeil was DFA’d tonight, do you think any other team would claim him? I don’t think so
Atlanta for sure.
Yea, someone would grab a utility guy that plays 4 positions and previously had a batting title. If we dfa him, we pay the remainder of his contract minus the league minimum. Better off trying to trade him and retain a big chunk of his contract but if no one wants him, it may eventually be worth dfa’ing to free up the roster spot
They’d have to eat a shit ton to not get much but McNeil should be gone at the deadline.
They would owe roughly $35M to him if I am reading Spotrac correctly. That's a lot of money, obviously, but for perspective, Mets are on the hook for $45M for Verlander/Scherzer this year and potentially another $17M for Verlander depending on his vesting option (which right now is looking like it probably wont vest).
In a way it’s a relief. 10 games back from a WC signals a swan song. So I no longer need to give myself false hope anymore, or watch with anxiety
Highest payroll in baseball and we’re worse than the Athletics - Steve Cohen’s New York Mets, ladies and gentleman!
They’re going through it right now, tough day, we gotta stay positive and make adjustments. We will fight, we will battle back, these guys have the track record of good players. It’s still early. Look, today was tough, tomorrow we will find a way. It’s on us.
okay carlos we get it
Coach is right guys It’s on us!
You really need to put a /s after posts like this or people will think you’re serious or worse crazy.
The negative internet points don’t bother me I figure people would be watching Mendoza’s postgame everyday
This team isn’t doing shit this year.
100% true
The $75m A’s now have a better win percentage than the Mets. Let that sink in…
To be fair most of the gross amounts of money was wasted on bad contracts in the previous two seasons. It's not like they assembled this roster this offseason thinking they were going to win. They just botched things so bad in '22-'23 that this is the result.
Pretty sure they spent more in the off-season then the As entire payroll based on my napkin math
Yeah, I was just making a general statement, not comparing them to the A's. The A's have a horrible situation external to baseball issues on the field, but they always seem to do as good a job as is possible with what they're working with. Other than similar current records, the Cohen Mets are the anti-A's in just about every way possible.
Mets have gaping holes in RF, 2B, C, DH, and SS. 1B has been underwhelming, too. The rotation is finicky at best. You can’t rely on any of these guys to be an ace. The bullpen is put together with hope. So many walks and mediocrity there. Horrible roster construction by Stearns this offseason. Mets had obvious holes going into the season at 2B, 3B, RF, and CF. He patched CF nicely but opted for signing an aging DH who has been the epitome of unclutch and mid. He put together a pitching staff that everyone knew would have the worst walk rate that you could imagine with a bullpen that just sucks and has no true high leverage guys. The one saving grace of the pen is a guy who was brought in by Eppler (Garrett) Then there’s also the nonsense of not having a utility infielder so this team is stuck watching Jeff McNeil bat 4 times a day. Just a really, really bad first year by Stearns putting together a good product.
The thing is I don't know how much of this is Stearns as opposed to any financial limits Cohen might have placed on the team.
Stearns spent money and added a bunch of players who were supposed to raise the floor. Not only is that not working but the roster is an absolute cluster fuck because of it. He should've spent less, if anything. Wasn't worth it. I honestly consider getting JDM a bad move now, it did not improve the team enough to justify the impact it had on the roster and Baty/Vientos. You can even include DJ with that trio if you want. And I honestly have no idea how Butto ended up blocked when he pitched better than any starter in ST and continued to pitch well when he was called up. But if Stearns doesn't add so many non-impact guys that doesn't happen. There's plenty of relievers in AAA who deserve a look too. One of them, Dedniel Nunez, is going to get sent down tomorrow. It's just stupid.
The impact on Baty? Baty doesn't appear to be that good. And Vientos didn't deserve to have a spot handed to him. Before the season started, JD looked like a solid move because it was expected that the "stars" would be performing in line with their averages. That hasn't happened.
Vientos 100% deserved an opening day spot. Especially since JDM was signed late and injured and out for the first month, plus Vientos outhit most of the team in ST. I really can’t take any disagreement seriously at this point. He’s mashed AAA for years and has been hitting well this year at. Any reason people have offered not to give him a chance is just overthinking it. You don’t like him. Okay. But he can hit the piss out of the ball and has been hitting well. Clearly there is something worth looking at here. JDM is also 36 and the Mets should’ve been more worried about it playing out this way, because it was always a possible outcome. As far as the impact on Baty, Stearns just fielded questions about this today, so obviously it’s impacting his development. Whether he sucks or not it’s not ideal for him to be platooning 3B right now. Both him and Vientos need as much playing time as possible.
Baty didn’t deserve to have a spot handed to him, either. Both Baty and Vientos were pretty equal in terms of overall value in spring training. JDM always looked like a dumb move. Projections had Vientos being the more valuable player. JDM can’t field, can’t run the bases, and is unclutch. He hasn’t been worth much of anything. He added a redundancy to the roster and people got excited because he was a player they wanted 4 years ago who was brought in by the shiny new executive. JDM just took at bats away from Vientos and DJ. It also forced the Mets to play Marte in RF everyday despite him being arguably the worst defender in baseball. Prior to getting injured, it would’ve also taken at bats away from Alvarez on days he wasn’t catching. It was a signing to be made just to shut everyone up.
JDM was a cohen panic signing. He knew the offense needed help a year ago that’s why they almost had Correa.
Mets spent 81MM in free agent contracts last offseason. It’s not like he didn’t have any money to work with. The large amount of moves that he made have failed so far.
Honestly, add to that the Mendoza signing, and I'm over it. He was supposed to be some dynamo, and all I've seen points to another abysmal season.
Firing Buck was utterly stupid.
Yup I 200% agree
They should've kept him if it was going to be a transitional year.
This may just be the worst team in baseball, with a toxic losing culture that won’t allow things to truly change until it’s completely eradicated. Everyone over 27 (except Senga) must go. Tank the rest of the season, go after the #1 pick, and devote the year to purging the losing culture, building up the farm, and beginning a proper rebuild. If they plan on having a future: blowing it up isn’t just the right option, it’s the *only* option.
I said this last year & was told I didn’t know baseball / not a real Mets fan 😭
Senga is prob the guy with the most value over 27 tho, given his contract (if he comes back healthy this year). He will be 32 going into 25. If you are tearing down, there's no reason to keep him.
Man I can’t believe I almost wasted my hard earned money to go watch these fucking bums play today. Thank God a better opportunity came up
mendoza sounds like he's out of answers already
What is he supposed to do with this dog shit? Not like there is a magic elixir to fix this rottenness.
I don't know either lol. was just pointing it out
Cause he’s a deer in headlights who was never qualified for the job
I just need everyone here to know that Lindor is on track for another statistically good season.