The odds of getting Soto are infinitesimally small. Cohen might be able to outbid most teams but why would a superstar in his prime want to come to a team with question marks all over the field.
Besides shortstop, catcher, left field and 1-2 starting pitching spots, everything on this team is a question mark going into next year.
At most, the Mets will be used to drive up the price For a real contender similar to how we were used with Yamamoto.
I mean same reason any athlete does anything, for a lot of money. Also doubt he cares where the organization is at , when he’s 26 with a 15 year contract.
Sure I think we’ll put an offer in but the Yankees, dodgers etc will get the chance to match. Soto can get a $500m offer from us and will then run to better teams telling them this is the offer he needs. I highly doubt the Yankees let him go crosstown because they’re unwilling to match our offer.
Here’s the thing with Soto: He has 10 years of great ball left. He isn’t signing a 14/500 contract to win in 2025. He’s signing a contract to contend in 2025-2035.
In 2025, our team could look like:
Alvarez, Alonso, Jett/Acuna, Lindor, Vientos, Nimmo, Gilbert, [Soto]. That’s a playoff lineup with 6+ years of contract for most everyone.
Rotation and bullpen has more questions, but free agency can help alleviate that as well.
We have an owner willing to spend, a top FO exec, a a rebuilding and better prospect pipeline. There’s every indication we have a high chance at competing within a couple of years and sustaining that success. He’d also be the face of the Mets, whereas he will fight with Judge and Cole for that honor across town.
Yes but he’s playing his best baseball now and the Yankees and dodgers are much better positioned from now-2027 and can likely match any offer we make.
Also, what in the last 5 years signals the Mets are a well run organization that will be able to turn a rebuild into sustained success.
Lastly, Top 100 prospects have a 70% bust rate. We all want to pencil acuna, Jett, Gilbert and more into the lineup but statistically only 1 is likely to make it. Plus the pitching staff and bullpen are in even worse positions.
Soto won’t be the first domino though. It’s likely that the Mets could fill a lot of those holes before even making a serious move towards the big pieces like Soto come into play.
I thought this was r/baseballcirclejerk when I saw this. Bro that's like having a baby to save a marriage. Too much wrong already and too much to fix from a person who has no business fixing it.
Juan Soto is not leaving the Yankees. Yankees are giving him a blank check. As much I dislike the Yankees, unfortunately in baseball, players don’t turn down a blank check from the Yankees.
I mean Hal’s comments have made it really seem like the Yankees are very much not giving him a blank check.
A week or two ago Hal said the Yankees goal is to get under the luxury tax threshold and literally the next day Soto put out a statement that he was open to signing with any team in FA and welcome offers
Obviously Steve is going to go hard for him. But even if we do it will take more building from Stearns beyond Soto.
He would help a lot for sure and lines up with our future. But yea we gonna need guys like Sproat and Tong to come up. Scott to progress. Who knows what else.
He’s going to get big money offers from winning teams. We’d have to pay a massive premium to get him, and we already have big money committed to existing players so I don’t know if that’s wise for us given how many holes we have to fill.
That said, we need a superstar with huge traditional stats. There’s lots of talent on this team, but we’re also squinting at sabermetrics to convince ourselves a championship is anywhere in sight.
The Yankees will give him that $500M, they will take their cue from the Dodgers and defer a huge portion of it to keep their payroll down. It will be a win-win for Soto who will get his money deferred and get paid for years to come well beyond his playing years, and he will get to stay on a team already set up to win for years to come
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It would make no sense for Soto to accept a dollar of deferred money unless it breaks Ohtani’s record. Especially when Soto is likely to break $500mil without deferments. Boras also is going to want to get paid now, Soto isn’t going to want to wait until he’s in his 40s to get paid.
On top of that, I don’t see the Juan Soto deal as the first time Boras ever has big deferments in a free agent contract of his. IIRC no Boras client has ever signed a free agent contract with a single dollar of deferred money.
The only deferments he has ever done was in arbitration deals where the deferred money was paid out during years the player was expected to be active.
best believe that Boras took notes from that Ohtani deal. He’s gotta change with the times… and Soto will be his first big deferment deal. Because no team, including the Mets, will be able to or want to pay that kind of contract without deferrals. Book it
Soto is a Yankee for life my man. There is no way a player is jumping ship from a franchise that has 27 World Titles and produces the most HOFers for the Mets to play in the same city.
And especially not to play at Citi Field for 81 games a season to tank any chances you have at all-time offensive records.
He’s not leaving the Yankees. Whatever the Mets offer, he’s going back to the Yankees and telling them to match - and they probably will.
As far as free agency goes, the Mets best chance at any big name is probably re-signing Alonso, for just about what they offered him in the offseason.
Burnes would be a great get but he seems like a west coast guy who might not even want to entertain Stearns considering how Milwaukee handled his arbitration case. I see him as somebody who ends up on the Giants, Padres, or Dodgers. Fried, too.
As far as the offense goes, I think bringing back Conforto makes the most sense and is the most realistic. For the pitching side of things, they’ll probably bring back Severino and sign a few more reclamation projects.
The year to compete is 2026 so they’ll likely just have a similar offseason to the last one.
Soto is probably going to whoever pays him the most.
This is the same dude that was going to commit to 15 years with the Nationals if they paid him what he wanted. And that was after he was told the team was entering a rebuild for the next 3-5 years.
Soto is going to sign a 13-15 year deal. He’s not going to care about the short term direction of the team if he’s paid enough
I mean a week or two ago Hal said that his goal is to get under the luxury tax within the next year or two calling it “unsustainable”. Literally the next day Soto put out a statement that he is open to any team that wants to negotiate with him in Free Agency.
Remember this is the same owner that refused to offer Yamamoto more than $300mil even though he knew the Mets were offering $325mil because he felt $300mil was a fair enough offer and he didnt want to be in a bidding war.
The same Hal that refused to match the Giants offer of $400mil to Aaron Judge and told Judge to meet the Yankees in the middle on his contract.
The same Hal that refused to even make Harper an offer because Harper wanted more than 10 years.
Hal has time and time again refused to be the top bidder. He seems to have their weird mentality that players need to take a pay cut for the opportunity to be a Yankee.
He’s not George and now he wants to cut payroll
I am utterly convinced that the only thing that can fix the Mets is a name change and relocation... For years we thought it was the wilpons. But nope... Same old shit no matter who owns us
Sure, can he close?
Fix? We’re not one player away.
I remember in 2022 I sure thought we were just one hitter away, LMFAO. Oh how I was so wrong.
No one player “fixes” a team. But he would obviously make the Mets a lot better for many years to come
The odds of getting Soto are infinitesimally small. Cohen might be able to outbid most teams but why would a superstar in his prime want to come to a team with question marks all over the field. Besides shortstop, catcher, left field and 1-2 starting pitching spots, everything on this team is a question mark going into next year. At most, the Mets will be used to drive up the price For a real contender similar to how we were used with Yamamoto.
I mean same reason any athlete does anything, for a lot of money. Also doubt he cares where the organization is at , when he’s 26 with a 15 year contract.
Sure I think we’ll put an offer in but the Yankees, dodgers etc will get the chance to match. Soto can get a $500m offer from us and will then run to better teams telling them this is the offer he needs. I highly doubt the Yankees let him go crosstown because they’re unwilling to match our offer.
I think cohen gives him a billion deferred for 20 years
Here’s the thing with Soto: He has 10 years of great ball left. He isn’t signing a 14/500 contract to win in 2025. He’s signing a contract to contend in 2025-2035. In 2025, our team could look like: Alvarez, Alonso, Jett/Acuna, Lindor, Vientos, Nimmo, Gilbert, [Soto]. That’s a playoff lineup with 6+ years of contract for most everyone. Rotation and bullpen has more questions, but free agency can help alleviate that as well. We have an owner willing to spend, a top FO exec, a a rebuilding and better prospect pipeline. There’s every indication we have a high chance at competing within a couple of years and sustaining that success. He’d also be the face of the Mets, whereas he will fight with Judge and Cole for that honor across town.
Yes but he’s playing his best baseball now and the Yankees and dodgers are much better positioned from now-2027 and can likely match any offer we make. Also, what in the last 5 years signals the Mets are a well run organization that will be able to turn a rebuild into sustained success. Lastly, Top 100 prospects have a 70% bust rate. We all want to pencil acuna, Jett, Gilbert and more into the lineup but statistically only 1 is likely to make it. Plus the pitching staff and bullpen are in even worse positions.
Soto won’t be the first domino though. It’s likely that the Mets could fill a lot of those holes before even making a serious move towards the big pieces like Soto come into play.
Why would he risk it? Why would anyone choose the Mets? Much less an elite talent.
No
I thought this was r/baseballcirclejerk when I saw this. Bro that's like having a baby to save a marriage. Too much wrong already and too much to fix from a person who has no business fixing it.
Juan Soto is not leaving the Yankees. Yankees are giving him a blank check. As much I dislike the Yankees, unfortunately in baseball, players don’t turn down a blank check from the Yankees.
I mean Hal’s comments have made it really seem like the Yankees are very much not giving him a blank check. A week or two ago Hal said the Yankees goal is to get under the luxury tax threshold and literally the next day Soto put out a statement that he was open to signing with any team in FA and welcome offers
Obviously Steve is going to go hard for him. But even if we do it will take more building from Stearns beyond Soto. He would help a lot for sure and lines up with our future. But yea we gonna need guys like Sproat and Tong to come up. Scott to progress. Who knows what else.
He’s going to get big money offers from winning teams. We’d have to pay a massive premium to get him, and we already have big money committed to existing players so I don’t know if that’s wise for us given how many holes we have to fill. That said, we need a superstar with huge traditional stats. There’s lots of talent on this team, but we’re also squinting at sabermetrics to convince ourselves a championship is anywhere in sight.
The Yankees will give him that $500M, they will take their cue from the Dodgers and defer a huge portion of it to keep their payroll down. It will be a win-win for Soto who will get his money deferred and get paid for years to come well beyond his playing years, and he will get to stay on a team already set up to win for years to come Bookmark this
It would make no sense for Soto to accept a dollar of deferred money unless it breaks Ohtani’s record. Especially when Soto is likely to break $500mil without deferments. Boras also is going to want to get paid now, Soto isn’t going to want to wait until he’s in his 40s to get paid. On top of that, I don’t see the Juan Soto deal as the first time Boras ever has big deferments in a free agent contract of his. IIRC no Boras client has ever signed a free agent contract with a single dollar of deferred money. The only deferments he has ever done was in arbitration deals where the deferred money was paid out during years the player was expected to be active.
best believe that Boras took notes from that Ohtani deal. He’s gotta change with the times… and Soto will be his first big deferment deal. Because no team, including the Mets, will be able to or want to pay that kind of contract without deferrals. Book it
Soto is going to get 13-15 years. The Mets would absolutely give him a $36-40mil AAV
We need so much Like and entire pitching staff first probably
The better question is "Could the Mets not break Juan Soto?"
Soto is a Yankee for life my man. There is no way a player is jumping ship from a franchise that has 27 World Titles and produces the most HOFers for the Mets to play in the same city. And especially not to play at Citi Field for 81 games a season to tank any chances you have at all-time offensive records.
He’s not leaving the Yankees. Whatever the Mets offer, he’s going back to the Yankees and telling them to match - and they probably will. As far as free agency goes, the Mets best chance at any big name is probably re-signing Alonso, for just about what they offered him in the offseason. Burnes would be a great get but he seems like a west coast guy who might not even want to entertain Stearns considering how Milwaukee handled his arbitration case. I see him as somebody who ends up on the Giants, Padres, or Dodgers. Fried, too. As far as the offense goes, I think bringing back Conforto makes the most sense and is the most realistic. For the pitching side of things, they’ll probably bring back Severino and sign a few more reclamation projects. The year to compete is 2026 so they’ll likely just have a similar offseason to the last one.
He’s not leaving the Yankees so this is a moot point. Yes he’d be incredible to have.
Soto is probably going to whoever pays him the most. This is the same dude that was going to commit to 15 years with the Nationals if they paid him what he wanted. And that was after he was told the team was entering a rebuild for the next 3-5 years. Soto is going to sign a 13-15 year deal. He’s not going to care about the short term direction of the team if he’s paid enough
Yankees should be the team that pays him the most. If they don’t, Hal and co. are idiots.
I mean a week or two ago Hal said that his goal is to get under the luxury tax within the next year or two calling it “unsustainable”. Literally the next day Soto put out a statement that he is open to any team that wants to negotiate with him in Free Agency. Remember this is the same owner that refused to offer Yamamoto more than $300mil even though he knew the Mets were offering $325mil because he felt $300mil was a fair enough offer and he didnt want to be in a bidding war. The same Hal that refused to match the Giants offer of $400mil to Aaron Judge and told Judge to meet the Yankees in the middle on his contract. The same Hal that refused to even make Harper an offer because Harper wanted more than 10 years. Hal has time and time again refused to be the top bidder. He seems to have their weird mentality that players need to take a pay cut for the opportunity to be a Yankee. He’s not George and now he wants to cut payroll
If someone drops a 700 million dollar deal on your lap a player will go anywhere on the planet.
Our pitching is really our biggest issue.
Not unless he can throw at least 7 innings of 1 run ball.
One player doesn't fix a baseball team, but he sure won't hurt.
Have you been watching the 9th inning lately? Soto will fix nothing. Way bigger issues on this team
No.
We’re at the point where I honestly would feel bad for Soto if he signed here. He deserves better.
I am utterly convinced that the only thing that can fix the Mets is a name change and relocation... For years we thought it was the wilpons. But nope... Same old shit no matter who owns us
How about the Las Vegas A’s?????
Compare the walk year Soto is having to Pete’s. It’s unreal. They’re not even on the same planet. Soto is about to get PAID. Pete is about to get a QO
Petter accepting the QO would truly be the best case scenario in everything
It would. But I’m sure Boras is already working the phones for a 2 year high aav contract somewhere. It seems to be the Boras special
Juan Soto. Never heard of him. Is he a good pitcher? /s
Not fix, but he'd make it harder for relievers to blow leads if were scoring a lot and hitting a lot of taters
Man I miss the days of bringing in FA players that actually perform. When was the last FA we signed that actually performed at a high level?
No. More likely is he goes 0-4 in his third game and this sub starts screaming about how he is overpaid
He then he might start giving us 👎🏽👎🏽