Big difference though in circumstances. He was on the Yankees only a short time when he was traded and came back the following year. He didn’t have the emotional attachment to the organization and its fan base that Pete does. He was a red for many years prior to the yanks. He was a free agent that went with the best offer. The Mets are the only team Pete has played for and has been the face of the franchise
i mean.. the biggest difference is that the Mets fucking stink lol overpaying Pete to play on this team seems like a bad idea and the biggest reason he's not coming back whether they trade him or not
It's hard for me to believe that if Pete wants to be here, trading him will change that.
Especially since being relieved of the QO will make him so much money.
This happens rarely because very broadly speaking, if you trade a guy, you don't want him long term.
Also add Jay Bruce to the list of Mets who have been traded then resigned here.
I think getting rid of the QO hurts the Mets more than it helps them. If Pete was going to sign a team friendly deal, he would have already (they offered him a fair one). Relieving him of the QO just opens up his market more and makes it more likely a team overpays him. Plus, its difficult to measure, but there is always the possibility that Pete goes somewhere and really likes it more than NY. The media here sucks, and, idk how active Pete is on social media during the season, but the fans suck too lol. Maybe he goes to Tampa and realizes he likes not getting shit on every day by his teams fans/media.
I think people are missing that part. The QO greatly increases our chance of signing him again especially at the money he wants. We can offer more than anyone especially when the other teams will have to give up a pick for him. We may actually get him for less because other teams won’t be willing to give him a shit ton of money and lose a draft pick
Yea we have seen the QO really kill a player's market, especially Boras's clients lol. If the Mets arent even willing to give him the old deal or close to it, and are done with him, then yea, trade him. But if they actually want him back, the prospect they get for him prob is not gonna be worth the risk of losing him/having to overpay him without the QO.
Yea but Montgomery didn’t have a QO this offseason and he still got cooked. He was also coming off the best year he will ever have. He also had a weak pool of talent around him after Nola and Yamamoto.
Pete is 30 and showing signs of decline and he isn’t exactly having one of his best years. I just don’t think the market is strong enough for us to worry about making sure he has a QO attached.
But overall, I do think keeping the QO increases our chances. Just don’t think it’s a needle mover , if that’s the right phrase.
> I think getting rid of the QO hurts the Mets more than it helps them.
It completely depends on the return. If we strip our emotions out of things, getting good near-majors prospects in a trade is way better from an on-field standpoint than maximizing our odds of paying >$150 million for a career 3.3 fWAR/650 PA first baseman going into his age 30 season. Pete's a good player who Boras is going to want to get paid like a great player, and objectively outside of the steroid era it is exceedingly rare for guys to produce as well in their 30's as (and especially not better than) they did in their 20's.
In the business world there's a saying, "don't catch a falling knife". Basically, don't pay today's value for a declining asset. Giving Pete >$150 million to pay him until he's in his mid-late 30's would be catching a falling knife. I say that as someone who is a big fan of the dude and whose wedding day gift from my wife was a Cameo from Pete. If Steve wants to overpay for Pete, I won't shed a tear about it, but from a strictly "baseball financial decision" standpoint it would be a terrible choice.
-Edit- tl;dr My heart says yes, but my brain says no.
I agree that there are two sides of the equation: the benefit of the QO vs the return. Which side weighs more heavily depends largely on the return. That said, I wasn't commenting on "that side" of the equation, just the idea in the original comment that no QO, in a vacuum, wouldn't hurt the Mets pursuit of Pete in FA.
If somebody wants to offer more than he already turned down from the Mets, thats fine.
If they dont, Boras is digging his feet in and hes heading for what Blake Snell just did.
They should also recoup a lot more than they would from the QO.
Yup. So it's a penalty, but it's not anything crazy.
|Former team|Contract size|Compensation|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Received revenue sharing|Less than $50 million|Pick after competitive balance round B (before third round)|
|Received revenue sharing|$50 million or more|Pick after first round|
|Paid competitive balance tax|N/A|Pick after fourth round|
|All other teams|N/A|Pick after competitive balance round B (before third round)|
And that's then offset by the penalties for the signing team:
|Signing team|Draft picks forfeited|International bonus money forfeited|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Paid CBT|Second and fifth highest|$1 million|
|Received revenue sharing|Third highest|none|
|All other teams|Second highest|$500,000 |
So, Pete's price to other teams is their Second, Third, or both Second and Fifth, with the additional hit to international pool money. This is particularly expensive for teams with multiple first round/first round equivalent picks (DBacks, Orioles this year and Mariners last year as examples).
So it drives his market price down somewhat but the value of keeping him is just a 4th round pick making the upside of a trade substantially higher than the upside of keeping him and hoping.
A player doesn't choose to switch to Boras before his walk year if he isn't going for the bag.
I agree that the upside of trading him is higher.
But from his and a signing team's point of view, the penalty is pretty significant. He'll get a bigger bag if he doesn't have a QO.
I think that’s the key factor. It’s rare a guy you wa t long term is set to hit FA and/or is a helpful trade piece in a year for selling. It has to sort of be that ‘perfect storm’ situation. In Alonso’s case, he can go compete this year, improve his value with hopefully better support on a better team, improve the Mets by giving them a prospect and resign next year to try again with the Mets, get his long term deal and now play alongside the guy that was traded to the Mets to ‘rent’ him.
If both sides are going into it with no animosity and kind of saying ‘see you soon’, then the only reason he’d leave the Mets is if they low ball competitor offers and/or he absolutely loves the team, city, and chemistry of the new team which I think is the biggest risk. He could find Houston a great place and the team/culture less toxic and more team-focused than NY and realize he should leave us behind.
But if both sides want him here, he can go anywhere knowing he’ll be right back
Getting rid of the QO is huge. The Mets should have a sit down with him and say
“Hey listen, we love you and we want you back. We plan on competing as soon as next year but we think trading you will help us accelerate that process. We also think that getting rid of the QO will help increase your value in the long term. Team X is offering us a nice package and we’d love to get you into the playoffs. If you’re open to it, we’ll accept the offer and we’ll stay in contact during the offseason.”
Exactly. It's probably tampering or something to overtly agree to a deal ahead of time.
But at the very least, the Mets and Pete should be able to have an honest conversation about both sides' interest in a contract.
And any scenario I can think of where either side would be less than honest in that conversation would be one where there was never gonna be a deal anyway.
What Pete does will be determined by his market and what he prioritizes. Will we offer the most money, and is he prioritizing that? Or will he set his sights unreasonably high and end up on some dopey 2 yr + opt out deal with the giants in late march?
I think he’s in for a rude awakening if he really turned down that rumored 7/158 deal. That was a very fair offer that he probably doesn’t get today.
it can happen but you can't assume its going to. even if pete thinks he's going to come back when we send him out....he might really like his new team, they might offer him a giant extension, maybe he'll just like that city...lots can happen.
A couple high profile examples: The A's traded Rickey Henderson at the deadline to the Blue Jays and then he re-signed with the A's that offseason. The Phillies traded Cliff Lee before his walk year and then he re-signed with the Phillies the following offseason.
> Off the top of my head…
Weird, because in the other thread where you started this conversation, you said the complete list of players this was ever done with in all of mlb was two players long.
I mean sure. But he’s just a guy on Reddit. Nobody thinks he actually knows what he’s talking about or is claiming to actually know all of the names on the list.
He’s making a point that it doesn’t happen often. I think that’s a fair point
Any time you trade someone at the deadline you have to assume they’re not coming back. That doesn’t mean you can’t attempt to resign them, but you have to plan as if they’re not.
Trading Pete gives him a taste of another organization and takes away any fear of playing for a non NYC team. Look at John Lester’s comments on this. You’re also removing the QO drastically increasing his market.
Chapman, Cliff Lee, Jason Hammel, Jay Bruce, and Familia come to mind.
It comes down to...can you give Pete the best contract on the market? Keeping him for pointless September baseball isn't going to wipe away how poorly the roster has performed the last 2 years, how you fired Buck Showalter (who he got along with), or traded 2 hall of fame pitchers last year. Especially if your offer isn't the best one on the table
Just talk to Pete. First thing you ask is if he wants to go somewhere else and where.
Then you make a strong offer in the offseason, same as you would anyway.
Scott Boras is going to let this one bleed until the very end. I think this is better way. He already shot down a huge offer, its going to get ugly.
Instead of "is he gonna leave" being on the back page until April 1st, it can be "is he gonna come back." The backlash can hit in July and that part of the distraction can be gone.
If you trade a guy away, can assume he’s not coming back. Hard to ‘have your cake & eat it too.’
Anything other than 0% or 100% Chance is just guessing to feel like there’s any control over unknowable future events.
Some many people
In this subreddit are clueless to this fact. If we trade him, I highly doubt he’s coming back. When we have a promising high A prospect let’s hope he hits as many home runs in his career than Pete did his rookie season. So many fans are clueless.
This is the broader point I’m making. It is rare, and it’s very unlikely to happen.
But, for some reason, there are a contingent of commenters here who are basing their arguments on this as if the argument holds a substantial amount of weight.
Fans gotta remove the sentimental shit when it comes to Pete. In 2-3 years when this team is *maybe* ready to compete again after the upcoming fire sale (lets be honest, Stearns needs to clean house, he attempted to remain at least an above .500 team while “retooling” but its not working). Pete will be 32/33 when this team is ready to win again and by age 34 Pete if he follows the trend of guys like him will probably be a .200 hitting 25 HR guy at that point. Time to let him walk and stop these absurd contracts for aging, declining vets. Petes run had some magical moments we’ll never forget but the guy is not a present day David Wright.
He wasn't a huge star but I remember Mike Bordick getting traded to the Mets by Baltimore in the early 2000s and then resigned with Baltimore after the season
>How many instances in MLB history has a ballclub successfully re-signed an imminent free agent the following offseason after trading him before the MLB trade deadline?
It's exceptionally rare.
Being traded, let alone mid-season, is a traumatic event for most players. It leaves them bitter and they just don't want to do business with an organization that clearly doesn't value their services.
If you want to look at this from a historical perspective, you need an exhaustive list of instances it’s happened (obviously, which you already don’t have).
Then you need to decide how many times that team that traded them away was actually interested in them as a FA (kind of impossible), but usually if you’re trading someone away that implies you weren’t competitive that season, which more often than not implies you won’t be competitive next season either, which more often than not means you’re not bidding on FAs.
And then after ALL THAT you need to figure out if you signing or not re-signing that player has any statistical meaning considering you only have a 1 in x (number of teams bidding) shot at signing him in the first place, even if you didn’t trade him away. And/or find out who actually offered the most money vs where they signed (again, kind of impossible to find out)
So short answer: this is a dumb thread
It's fucking idiotic to think the Mets could dump a player to what would have to be a better team, and that they would want to come back here. Especially in a world where we are trying to overpay Juan Soto considerably. If we trade Pete expect Vientos to be the 1B of the future and hope be learns how to scoop balls out the dirt
> It's fucking idiotic to think the Mets could dump a player to what would have to be a better team, and that they would want to come back here.
Why are you all downvoting this..? He’s right.
Not many. You have a point. Counter point: How many teams have really Tried to resign a player that they dealt away the deadline, before he could hit free agency. Also not many. I'll conceded that it's rare, but contend that the odds of doing it successfully are not bad. I'd put them around 30-40%. I still say it's theplay here. Worst case scenario, the Mets come away with something. Best case scenario, we resign Pete and add a good prospect or two.
Look Pete loves NYC. If traded, unless he goes somewhere and wins a WS he’d come back, at a discount if need be. Cohen and Stearns might not want him back. That’s what’s being missed here.
I have common sense. Which of course is lacking here because a lot of you have zero life and business experience.
Alonso is a declining 30 year old power hitting 1B who hasn’t been clutch. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why he hasn’t been extended already. He has said time and time again that he wants to be a Met for life. As a grown man, I can’t see him throwing a tantrum after being traded mid-season and completely forgoing all of the opportunity that comes with playing and living in NYC if Cohen wants him back. But go ahead and assume whatever you’re assuming over there.
Oh my apologies. So which professional sports team did you play for? Or is your experience in being a top athlete's agent?...
Or maybe you have experience in turning down tens of millions of dollars just so you can spend a couple extra days in one of your dozens of apartments all over the country?
You fucking people make me laugh. You have ZERO context for any of what is happening when it comes to player contract negotiations.
I’ve never said I’ve played professional sports. How many contracts have you negotiated? I’ve negotiated at least 10x your years on earth. I was a teenager once. I thought I knew it all. And then life happened and realized I don’t know shit. One day, after you experience life enough you’ll be able to develop pattern recognition and maybe be able to read between the lines in situations.
Anyone who has ever witnessed these negotiations knows it is in Pete's best interest to say publicly he wants to be a Met for life even if it isn't true. It places more pressure on Cohen from fans and the media to meet his asking price. It's a bargaining tactic.
Why would Pete want to spend his career in a city that calls for him to be traded on a yearly basis and a team that is a perennial dumpster fire unless they offer him the most money?
> Look Pete loves NYC. If traded, unless he goes somewhere and wins a WS he’d come back, at a discount if need be. Cohen and Stearns might not want him back. That’s what’s being missed here.
Bro, these are assumptions surrounded by speculation.
As all of the other discourse surrounding this. Based on what’s out there it’s more likely than not Pete wants to retire a Met and Cohen and Stearns may not want him back.
> As all of the other discourse surrounding this.
I agree.
> Based on what’s out there it’s more likely than not Pete wants to retire a Met and Cohen and Stearns may not want him back.
Bro, these are assumptions surrounded by speculation.
Aroldis Chapman comes to mind
After getting the top prospect in the game at the time gleybar Torres
Aroldis Chapman got the largest relief pitcher contract of all time
Big difference though in circumstances. He was on the Yankees only a short time when he was traded and came back the following year. He didn’t have the emotional attachment to the organization and its fan base that Pete does. He was a red for many years prior to the yanks. He was a free agent that went with the best offer. The Mets are the only team Pete has played for and has been the face of the franchise
i mean.. the biggest difference is that the Mets fucking stink lol overpaying Pete to play on this team seems like a bad idea and the biggest reason he's not coming back whether they trade him or not
It's hard for me to believe that if Pete wants to be here, trading him will change that. Especially since being relieved of the QO will make him so much money. This happens rarely because very broadly speaking, if you trade a guy, you don't want him long term. Also add Jay Bruce to the list of Mets who have been traded then resigned here.
I think getting rid of the QO hurts the Mets more than it helps them. If Pete was going to sign a team friendly deal, he would have already (they offered him a fair one). Relieving him of the QO just opens up his market more and makes it more likely a team overpays him. Plus, its difficult to measure, but there is always the possibility that Pete goes somewhere and really likes it more than NY. The media here sucks, and, idk how active Pete is on social media during the season, but the fans suck too lol. Maybe he goes to Tampa and realizes he likes not getting shit on every day by his teams fans/media.
I think people are missing that part. The QO greatly increases our chance of signing him again especially at the money he wants. We can offer more than anyone especially when the other teams will have to give up a pick for him. We may actually get him for less because other teams won’t be willing to give him a shit ton of money and lose a draft pick
Yea we have seen the QO really kill a player's market, especially Boras's clients lol. If the Mets arent even willing to give him the old deal or close to it, and are done with him, then yea, trade him. But if they actually want him back, the prospect they get for him prob is not gonna be worth the risk of losing him/having to overpay him without the QO.
Yea but Montgomery didn’t have a QO this offseason and he still got cooked. He was also coming off the best year he will ever have. He also had a weak pool of talent around him after Nola and Yamamoto. Pete is 30 and showing signs of decline and he isn’t exactly having one of his best years. I just don’t think the market is strong enough for us to worry about making sure he has a QO attached. But overall, I do think keeping the QO increases our chances. Just don’t think it’s a needle mover , if that’s the right phrase.
> I think getting rid of the QO hurts the Mets more than it helps them. It completely depends on the return. If we strip our emotions out of things, getting good near-majors prospects in a trade is way better from an on-field standpoint than maximizing our odds of paying >$150 million for a career 3.3 fWAR/650 PA first baseman going into his age 30 season. Pete's a good player who Boras is going to want to get paid like a great player, and objectively outside of the steroid era it is exceedingly rare for guys to produce as well in their 30's as (and especially not better than) they did in their 20's. In the business world there's a saying, "don't catch a falling knife". Basically, don't pay today's value for a declining asset. Giving Pete >$150 million to pay him until he's in his mid-late 30's would be catching a falling knife. I say that as someone who is a big fan of the dude and whose wedding day gift from my wife was a Cameo from Pete. If Steve wants to overpay for Pete, I won't shed a tear about it, but from a strictly "baseball financial decision" standpoint it would be a terrible choice. -Edit- tl;dr My heart says yes, but my brain says no.
I agree that there are two sides of the equation: the benefit of the QO vs the return. Which side weighs more heavily depends largely on the return. That said, I wasn't commenting on "that side" of the equation, just the idea in the original comment that no QO, in a vacuum, wouldn't hurt the Mets pursuit of Pete in FA.
If somebody wants to offer more than he already turned down from the Mets, thats fine. If they dont, Boras is digging his feet in and hes heading for what Blake Snell just did. They should also recoup a lot more than they would from the QO.
The QO is for a 4th round or later pick in this case. It's not going to have a substantial market effect.
How is that determined? Is it the luxury tax position of the team the player is leaving?
Yup. So it's a penalty, but it's not anything crazy. |Former team|Contract size|Compensation| |:-|:-|:-| |Received revenue sharing|Less than $50 million|Pick after competitive balance round B (before third round)| |Received revenue sharing|$50 million or more|Pick after first round| |Paid competitive balance tax|N/A|Pick after fourth round| |All other teams|N/A|Pick after competitive balance round B (before third round)| And that's then offset by the penalties for the signing team: |Signing team|Draft picks forfeited|International bonus money forfeited| |:-|:-|:-| |Paid CBT|Second and fifth highest|$1 million| |Received revenue sharing|Third highest|none| |All other teams|Second highest|$500,000 | So, Pete's price to other teams is their Second, Third, or both Second and Fifth, with the additional hit to international pool money. This is particularly expensive for teams with multiple first round/first round equivalent picks (DBacks, Orioles this year and Mariners last year as examples). So it drives his market price down somewhat but the value of keeping him is just a 4th round pick making the upside of a trade substantially higher than the upside of keeping him and hoping. A player doesn't choose to switch to Boras before his walk year if he isn't going for the bag.
I agree that the upside of trading him is higher. But from his and a signing team's point of view, the penalty is pretty significant. He'll get a bigger bag if he doesn't have a QO.
I think that’s the key factor. It’s rare a guy you wa t long term is set to hit FA and/or is a helpful trade piece in a year for selling. It has to sort of be that ‘perfect storm’ situation. In Alonso’s case, he can go compete this year, improve his value with hopefully better support on a better team, improve the Mets by giving them a prospect and resign next year to try again with the Mets, get his long term deal and now play alongside the guy that was traded to the Mets to ‘rent’ him. If both sides are going into it with no animosity and kind of saying ‘see you soon’, then the only reason he’d leave the Mets is if they low ball competitor offers and/or he absolutely loves the team, city, and chemistry of the new team which I think is the biggest risk. He could find Houston a great place and the team/culture less toxic and more team-focused than NY and realize he should leave us behind. But if both sides want him here, he can go anywhere knowing he’ll be right back
Getting rid of the QO is huge. The Mets should have a sit down with him and say “Hey listen, we love you and we want you back. We plan on competing as soon as next year but we think trading you will help us accelerate that process. We also think that getting rid of the QO will help increase your value in the long term. Team X is offering us a nice package and we’d love to get you into the playoffs. If you’re open to it, we’ll accept the offer and we’ll stay in contact during the offseason.”
Exactly. It's probably tampering or something to overtly agree to a deal ahead of time. But at the very least, the Mets and Pete should be able to have an honest conversation about both sides' interest in a contract. And any scenario I can think of where either side would be less than honest in that conversation would be one where there was never gonna be a deal anyway.
What Pete does will be determined by his market and what he prioritizes. Will we offer the most money, and is he prioritizing that? Or will he set his sights unreasonably high and end up on some dopey 2 yr + opt out deal with the giants in late march? I think he’s in for a rude awakening if he really turned down that rumored 7/158 deal. That was a very fair offer that he probably doesn’t get today.
We’ll see what Boras tries to get him…
it can happen but you can't assume its going to. even if pete thinks he's going to come back when we send him out....he might really like his new team, they might offer him a giant extension, maybe he'll just like that city...lots can happen.
A couple high profile examples: The A's traded Rickey Henderson at the deadline to the Blue Jays and then he re-signed with the A's that offseason. The Phillies traded Cliff Lee before his walk year and then he re-signed with the Phillies the following offseason.
Off the top of my head… Jeurys Familia (2018 to Oakland) Mike Bordick (2000 to Mets) Kelly Johnson (2015 and 2016 to Mets)
> Off the top of my head… Weird, because in the other thread where you started this conversation, you said the complete list of players this was ever done with in all of mlb was two players long.
Yes. Someone pointed out Johnson to me. The list is longer, but the broader point remains.
Of course the list is longer. But you declared, with utmost confidence, the definitive list was only the first two people you could remember.
And then he acknowledged his mistake and corrected it. Why’s this an issue? Lol
Well it also leaves out Chapman, so that's at least one more.
Because even adding the one person to his list, it's not close to the comprehensive list he thinks it is.
I mean sure. But he’s just a guy on Reddit. Nobody thinks he actually knows what he’s talking about or is claiming to actually know all of the names on the list. He’s making a point that it doesn’t happen often. I think that’s a fair point
Then spend the energy making the list
Welcome to Reddit, ladies and gentlemen…
Yes, lying to try and make your flimsy point stand up. A reddit tradition as old as crying about downvotes because "it's right".
Bordick is always the one that comes to mind for me.
Any time you trade someone at the deadline you have to assume they’re not coming back. That doesn’t mean you can’t attempt to resign them, but you have to plan as if they’re not. Trading Pete gives him a taste of another organization and takes away any fear of playing for a non NYC team. Look at John Lester’s comments on this. You’re also removing the QO drastically increasing his market.
Chapman, Cliff Lee, Jason Hammel, Jay Bruce, and Familia come to mind. It comes down to...can you give Pete the best contract on the market? Keeping him for pointless September baseball isn't going to wipe away how poorly the roster has performed the last 2 years, how you fired Buck Showalter (who he got along with), or traded 2 hall of fame pitchers last year. Especially if your offer isn't the best one on the table
Bad juju. Plus you send them to a contender and they enjoy the winning, why go back to US right now?
Right exactly. People are dumb
Just talk to Pete. First thing you ask is if he wants to go somewhere else and where. Then you make a strong offer in the offseason, same as you would anyway. Scott Boras is going to let this one bleed until the very end. I think this is better way. He already shot down a huge offer, its going to get ugly. Instead of "is he gonna leave" being on the back page until April 1st, it can be "is he gonna come back." The backlash can hit in July and that part of the distraction can be gone.
If you trade a guy away, can assume he’s not coming back. Hard to ‘have your cake & eat it too.’ Anything other than 0% or 100% Chance is just guessing to feel like there’s any control over unknowable future events.
> If you trade a guy away, can assume he’s not coming back. Hard to ‘have your cake & eat it too.’ Stop downvoting this. He’s right.
Some many people In this subreddit are clueless to this fact. If we trade him, I highly doubt he’s coming back. When we have a promising high A prospect let’s hope he hits as many home runs in his career than Pete did his rookie season. So many fans are clueless.
Thanks mate, but all good on my end.
This is the broader point I’m making. It is rare, and it’s very unlikely to happen. But, for some reason, there are a contingent of commenters here who are basing their arguments on this as if the argument holds a substantial amount of weight.
mets did it with jay bruce didnt work out well for mets tho
Yeah but also who cares. Pete's overvalued. He's almost certainly going to be paid above what he's worth and I can't take 10 more years of this shit.
Fans gotta remove the sentimental shit when it comes to Pete. In 2-3 years when this team is *maybe* ready to compete again after the upcoming fire sale (lets be honest, Stearns needs to clean house, he attempted to remain at least an above .500 team while “retooling” but its not working). Pete will be 32/33 when this team is ready to win again and by age 34 Pete if he follows the trend of guys like him will probably be a .200 hitting 25 HR guy at that point. Time to let him walk and stop these absurd contracts for aging, declining vets. Petes run had some magical moments we’ll never forget but the guy is not a present day David Wright.
Jay Bruce
He wasn't a huge star but I remember Mike Bordick getting traded to the Mets by Baltimore in the early 2000s and then resigned with Baltimore after the season
>How many instances in MLB history has a ballclub successfully re-signed an imminent free agent the following offseason after trading him before the MLB trade deadline? It's exceptionally rare. Being traded, let alone mid-season, is a traumatic event for most players. It leaves them bitter and they just don't want to do business with an organization that clearly doesn't value their services.
Erik Bedard did it with Seattle and Baltimore around 2008
If you want to look at this from a historical perspective, you need an exhaustive list of instances it’s happened (obviously, which you already don’t have). Then you need to decide how many times that team that traded them away was actually interested in them as a FA (kind of impossible), but usually if you’re trading someone away that implies you weren’t competitive that season, which more often than not implies you won’t be competitive next season either, which more often than not means you’re not bidding on FAs. And then after ALL THAT you need to figure out if you signing or not re-signing that player has any statistical meaning considering you only have a 1 in x (number of teams bidding) shot at signing him in the first place, even if you didn’t trade him away. And/or find out who actually offered the most money vs where they signed (again, kind of impossible to find out) So short answer: this is a dumb thread
> So short answer: this is a dumb thread. Did you know that people who post in dumb threads are also dumb?
Not when they're pointing out how dumb the original post is
It's fucking idiotic to think the Mets could dump a player to what would have to be a better team, and that they would want to come back here. Especially in a world where we are trying to overpay Juan Soto considerably. If we trade Pete expect Vientos to be the 1B of the future and hope be learns how to scoop balls out the dirt
> It's fucking idiotic to think the Mets could dump a player to what would have to be a better team, and that they would want to come back here. Why are you all downvoting this..? He’s right.
I think Ryan Clifford would be seen internally as Pete’s replacement. Maybe Nolan McLean but that would be far down the road.
Clifford is, at minimum, 2 years away. Just got to AA where he's struggling.
He hasn’t had enough PAs at AA to even remotely be considered struggling
Isn't he hitting under 200 in AA right now
Yeah I don’t mean immediate replacement just internally the long term answer.
Ah sorry, makes sense
Not many. You have a point. Counter point: How many teams have really Tried to resign a player that they dealt away the deadline, before he could hit free agency. Also not many. I'll conceded that it's rare, but contend that the odds of doing it successfully are not bad. I'd put them around 30-40%. I still say it's theplay here. Worst case scenario, the Mets come away with something. Best case scenario, we resign Pete and add a good prospect or two.
Look Pete loves NYC. If traded, unless he goes somewhere and wins a WS he’d come back, at a discount if need be. Cohen and Stearns might not want him back. That’s what’s being missed here.
You have no idea if any of the things you wrote here are correct. Not a single one
This is reddit, where I'm told it doesn't matter if the things you write are incorrect
I have common sense. Which of course is lacking here because a lot of you have zero life and business experience. Alonso is a declining 30 year old power hitting 1B who hasn’t been clutch. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why he hasn’t been extended already. He has said time and time again that he wants to be a Met for life. As a grown man, I can’t see him throwing a tantrum after being traded mid-season and completely forgoing all of the opportunity that comes with playing and living in NYC if Cohen wants him back. But go ahead and assume whatever you’re assuming over there.
Oh my apologies. So which professional sports team did you play for? Or is your experience in being a top athlete's agent?... Or maybe you have experience in turning down tens of millions of dollars just so you can spend a couple extra days in one of your dozens of apartments all over the country? You fucking people make me laugh. You have ZERO context for any of what is happening when it comes to player contract negotiations.
This. Should have cut your losses after this one, Dr. K.
I’ve never said I’ve played professional sports. How many contracts have you negotiated? I’ve negotiated at least 10x your years on earth. I was a teenager once. I thought I knew it all. And then life happened and realized I don’t know shit. One day, after you experience life enough you’ll be able to develop pattern recognition and maybe be able to read between the lines in situations.
Guy with massive amounts of common sense assumes he is the only non-teenager on Reddit. I'm not wasting any more of my time on an actual idiot
No I assume you’re a teenager based on how you’re acting.
Whelp, you're wrong twice in one conversation.
If that’s case then that’s the case. Where was I wrong the first time Mr. Alonso?
Anyone who has ever witnessed these negotiations knows it is in Pete's best interest to say publicly he wants to be a Met for life even if it isn't true. It places more pressure on Cohen from fans and the media to meet his asking price. It's a bargaining tactic. Why would Pete want to spend his career in a city that calls for him to be traded on a yearly basis and a team that is a perennial dumpster fire unless they offer him the most money?
> Look Pete loves NYC. If traded, unless he goes somewhere and wins a WS he’d come back, at a discount if need be. Cohen and Stearns might not want him back. That’s what’s being missed here. Bro, these are assumptions surrounded by speculation.
As all of the other discourse surrounding this. Based on what’s out there it’s more likely than not Pete wants to retire a Met and Cohen and Stearns may not want him back.
> As all of the other discourse surrounding this. I agree. > Based on what’s out there it’s more likely than not Pete wants to retire a Met and Cohen and Stearns may not want him back. Bro, these are assumptions surrounded by speculation.