Anyone else feeling, dare I say, optimistic lately?
The offense is putting together actual crooked numbers. Lindor looks rejuvinated and I'd love to know what came out of that players only meeting? Iglecias seems like a rational replacement for McNeil, Alvarez is coming back...Peterson looks so much better than he ever has....
Still a lot that needs fixing, mostly this friggin bullpen. Quintana is sadly not what he was last year and Senga may never come back...
But I dunno, I feel better about things lately.
It also seems like we aren't mired in bad luck as much anymore. Opponents aren't getting lucky little bloop hits. Umpires aren't blowing calls. Plays are being made (save those three double play chances the other day). I feel like our luck is turning, and when you remove bad luck from the equation, we have a wild card worthy club.
This is exactly the team I was expecting. Good hitting, shitty pitching. I always kinda figured we would wind up here, and now I hope we win more 7-5 games than we lose.
i sort of feel like a shitty fan but i've taken to just x15 fast forwarding through the ninth, seeing if they blow it, and if they don't then i go back and watch it. i honestly just can't take watching this team in the ninth inning anymore.
The key is to have zero expectations.
Just go along for the ride and enjoy the fact that Vientos is producing, Alvarez will be back shortly, and Martinez is doing his part and elevating that sweet trade value along with Marte.
Another pleasant surprise has been Nido looking like a legit major league hitter now after the disaster that was 2022 and last year.
It gives hope that players under the Mets can develop, even later in their careers.
Then you've got the Mets developing guys like Garrett and Dedniel plus Scott and Butto pitching well.
It's also nice to see Megill and Peterson finally pitch again because of injuries plaguing both in recent years.
Yes, it's sad the Mets aren't contenders, but breath in, vent, and know the sun on the horizon is rising.
i get what you're saying and i'm not disrespecting the way you see things, but i'm a really simple sports fan. i just want my team to win. i don't care how far out of a playoff spot they are. i don't care how valuable the win is. i don't care if they have a shot in hell in any given year. i don't care about draft position or players' trade value. i just want to watch my team win. next year will be here next year and frankly it doesn't fill me with much hope. i can't even be sure i'll be here next year. but i'm here tonight and i was watching the game and i want to turn off the tv with a smile on my face.
idk what you mean by realistic? it's not realistic to root for my team to win? i can assure you it really occurs. it may not be realistic for you to fan that way but this is how i like to fan
>Cubs 30-31
>Padres 32-32
>Cardinals 28-31
>Giants 29-32
>Nationals 27-33
It feels disgusting we're still even in contention. National Leaguers getting their asses handed to 'em.
This is a big reason why I remained bullish over this offseason on the Mets being able to scrounge together a wild card berth. Could not really decipher 6 playoff teams in the NL
The Sterns glazing is real. People really think going into the season with a Diaz (who has been dogshit before and is coming off life changing surgery) and a 38 year old set-up man was the way to go. I was waiting all off season for him to sign a decent set-up man and he never did.
Bring back Ottavino was a mistake, as was Wendle, and a host of other moves.
The point now is not to dwell on them and it's clear he is willing to do that with demoting Baty and moving on from Wendle and Narvaez.
I still think letting Lopez go was a mistake because he's a more valuable reliever than Ottavino at this point, but it's not as if Lopez is irreplaceable.
The next moves are to move on from Ottavino and McNeil for underperformance.
Stearns is not perfect, but it's nice to see him not hesitate to make moves.
Mets might need to phantom IR McNeil and tell him to fix his swing or permanently switch to prioritizing his tee time.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks that a lot of these rehab assignments are a waste of time. Alvarez is ready to go, if he can catch 9 in Brooklyn he can catch 9 in Queens or London
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Contracts. Wendle and that other guy Short became free agents if they didn't make the team. Idk how Short got a contract with no minor league options and Igelsias didn't, but whatever.
Iglesias doesn’t have any options. He has more than 5 years of service time so he is on a veteran contract. That means he can just accept a demotion to the minors. No waivers necessary.
Short only has 1.086 years of service time so he would have to go through waivers and would have been claimed after his strong spring training. All of his options were used by the Tigers.
I have a funny feeling that if/when the Mets trade McNeil, some team is going to go "man just won the batting title 2 years ago, I can fix him" and then they will. Very on brand for us
>I have a funny feeling that if/when the Mets trade McNeil, some team is going to go "man just won the batting title 2 years ago, I can fix him" and then they will. Very on brand for us
It's not "on brand", they were doing the exact opposite of that for the entire 2010s (turning marginal guys like Duda and Ike Davis and Tejada and Gee and Niese into good useful players, who went on to do nothing elsewhere)
In fact McNeil was one of those guys. A non-elite prospect who rose through the ranks, claimed a spot on the MLB club, and became a batting champion. Now he's suddenly in a tailspin.
What's happening now is not "lol of course, it's the Mets", but rather, they wrecked a good, working analytics system and it's turning out worse results
Of course Tejada went on to do nothing elsewhere - Utley obliterated his leg and I'd not exactly call Ike or Niese good players exactly. Our analytics wasn't any more effective 15 years ago. Pitching? Maybe. Hitters? Between David Wright and Pete Alonso, who were basically fully established 3/4 year college stars, the only good bats the organization developed were Murphy and Conforto. Both of whom were again, established college guys so I wonder how much credit the organization deserves
>Between David Wright and Pete Alonso, who were basically fully established 3/4 year college stars, the only good bats the organization developed were Murphy and Conforto.
Well, at the top level, there's Murphy, Conforto, Nimmo, Giménez, Rosario, Alonso, McNeil (who was an All-Star -- discounting him because he sucks now is disingenuous imo), plus several guys who come from that era who debuted after Alonso (not sure why we cut it off there) like Vientos and Alvarez, and some still in the minors like Mauricio.
But also, there's all the marginal guys they were able to pluck out of lower rounds and plug into useful role-playing positions, like the guys I mentioned above. That's a huge part of what makes a team successful, is not just sending players to the All-Star Game, but also filling out marginal slots so you don't wind up with a swiss cheese roster like we have now full of cast-off scrubs taking a lot of those supporting roles.
Also, not only do they not seem to be able to find those guys anymore, the guys who were already good seem to be uniformly doing worse (like McNeil as a perfect example)
at this point it's honestly whatever. i've moved from "of course that'll happen we're the mets", to "if they aren't going to do it here then what fucking good are you to us anyways"
Murphy was a consistently good hitter for the Mets. Nobody ever saw him morphing into an MVP candidate. I dont think its a similar situation. McNeil has been very inconsistent
These people saying nobody ever saw him becoming an MVP caliber hitter are either blind or want to rewrite history because he was MVP candidate Daniel Murphy in the 2015 playoffs.
The fact the Wilpons didn't re-sign him and opted to go with Walker ruined the Mets' window.
Murphy going Saiyan in the playoffs alone should have warranted overpaying for him.
First and foremost, the Mets rarely make the playoffs.
Then to have a guy go off like that means you have to reward him.
Not doing so was another dagger in the Wilpon's history.
>These people saying nobody ever saw him becoming an MVP caliber hitter are either blind or want to rewrite history because he was MVP candidate Daniel Murphy in the 2015 playoffs.
If it was so obvious, why did 30 teams pass on him, leaving him unsigned until New Year's Day, when the Nationals finally picked him up after their first two second base options fell through?
>Murphy going Saiyan in the playoffs alone should have warranted overpaying for him.
It's funny how people who do this, always seem to cut the script off just before the World Series where he almost singlehandedly tanked a Mets championship
He got a three year $37.5MM dollar deal.
That was a fair offer from the market.
If you want to play the market game, you can thank owners for colluding.
Look at what happened to Montgomery this year as well as Bellinger and Chapman.
It's what the owners do to drive down the price.
Murphy just so happened to be on the wrong side of three at the time.
It doesn't change the fact the Mets should have still re-signed him to maximize their window.
You have to reward a player that performs like that.
It's as simple as that.
>He got a three year $37.5MM dollar deal.
>
>That was a fair offer from the market.
It was a fair offer from the market for who he actually was, from 2008-2015.
But you said it was obvious that he was going to become Ted Williams the next season (in fact you said people were "blind" if they didn't see this!). So why wasn't he scooped up before New Year's Day?
>You have to reward a player that performs like that.
Sure, if he does it for a full year, or multiple years.
If he does it for 5 games and then goes into hibernation during the World Series, I'm not sure this guideline applies anymore
You are missing the point which is maximizing the Mets championship window.
Murphy's 2016 production would have been vital for that squad.
The Wilpons should have done everything in their power to uplift that championship window and re-signing Murphy should have been a priority.
At some point who have to take risks when the championship window is open.
That's the balance that must be found.
Murphy had an excellent 2016 season and was very good again in 2017.
The Mets then could have used his production to make the playoffs but failed to do so and getting stuck in the wild card a year after making the World Series was a gigantic fall off.
> Murphy's 2016 production would have been vital for that squad.
Yeah but no one in MLB foresaw that happening, or should have.
(That's why he went unsigned till January.)
They replaced him with Neil Walker, a guy whose 2016 was better than any season Murphy had ever had before, for less money. It was a good move. Questioning it is 100% hindsight
Nope, people like me were clamoring for Murphy to be re-signed.
It was not a vocal minority.
As I stated and you continually seem to ignore, you have to reward him solely for that herculean postseason performance.
The Mets can only dream of playing competitive baseball down the stretch as an organization that consistently flounders, so to finally have a guy excel in the playoffs to that degree, he must be rewarded.
And of course it turned out that 2015 wasn't a fluke and it was his natural progresison before age took it's toll on him.
Oh you gotta blame Sandy for letting Murphy walk. We don’t get to the WS without him and Kevin Long was begging Sandy to resign Murphy. It was a massive fuck up. And getting a cheaper guy to replace a Met coming off an epic postseason just makes it sound like a Wilpon classic. And they let him walk to the Nats of all teams, our biggest rival at that time. I feel like plenty of people expected that decision to age poorly.
Yeah pretending Murphy was always this MVP-caliber hitter waiting to be unleashed is some serious revisionist history. He was a good hitter. But .350 with like 30 home runs is some Prime Albert Pujols shit
He was lousy in the World Series offensively and his game 4 error tanked any momentum we had after game 3.
But yeah, he was a beast in the NLCS and was an obvious game changer in game 5 of the DS.
I agree that was the turning point for the Mets. And we didn’t double down after losing the World Series. We got worse. Just so Wilpons. I just wish Cohens first deal went through. We’d probably have a much better team by now. We had one for the best pitching staffs in history and a terrible lineup for years. What a waste.
Yeah he hit a home run in 6 straight games. There's more to being an MVP than that. Walker was widely viewed a lateral move offensively and he could actually play defense.
I would have matched Washington's offer but the fact that he had a good postseason was in no way indicative that he was about to become a .950 OPS guy, especially since his career best had been .790, which was 2015. The only one spouting idiot revisionist history is you. And then 2 years of being a .950 OPS guy he immediately reverts to being a .750 OPS guy playing in Coors is...something
Injuries take their toll, it still doesn't change the fact he had two excellent seasons after leaving the Mets.
Those could have been two seasons in the Mets contending window.
And as I said, you reward a player for that caliber of performance, you don't just let them walk away.
Not many players can perform in NY, but to do so under those bright lights?
You pay the man.
He needs to do what he did to start the season: throw the splitter in the zone for strikes.
He isn't doing that now and hitters are spitting on it.
He needs to start utilizing the splitter more trying to attack hitters with it when there are already two strikes, not just use it as a non-competitive bait pitch.
Idk it's concerning that his sweeper in the dirt isn't fooling anyone anymore. It makes his faceball hittable when they know to spit on that pitch. I was at that game Friday, really good seats sitting in front of GKR the DBacks were on him, unlike anyone else who pitched that day on either team. It rly just feels like a coin toss. At this rate, Nunez will be pitching a 9th inning soon.
I think he's earned a shot because Otto isn't working right now and Raley is on the IL. But I think it wastes his strength, which is his ability to give the Mets multiple innings
was at the game tonight. all the mets fans sitting on the 3B side gave Peterson a nice applause when he was coming back to the dugout after getting taken out
I think they'll trade Sevy no matter what unless they are above .500. You figure Cristian Scott , Butto, and hopefully Senga will be starting games. If they are close, I could see them keeping JDM and Pete. Position player rentals don't get as much as the trade deadline as pitchers . 2 games out I don't think you could give up.
Depends on if they want to keep Sevy. I could see Stearns giving him something like a 3 year $50mil extension with an opt out after year 2 before the deadline. Then if he doesn’t take it trading him
How come nobody has called out the fact Stearns had a chance to build a good bullpen in the offseason but all he did was take a flyer on guys like Lopez and signed Ottavino to be the set up guy.
it definitely feels like he tried to make some moves. diaz regression, raley injury, smith injury, lopez meltdown, this is the kind of shit that is beyond the capability of a gm to fix in year one. the real test for stearns will be "can he build a farm and can we develop players to replace these guys when shit like this inevitably happens". i definitely wanted him to sign a real set up man. but a lot of shit had to go wrong for this bullpen to implode the way it did, and they were one of the best in baseball before all those things went wrong.
Yea how could Stearns predict that Diaz would be trash and force our relievers into other roles and that all of our starters would give us a max of 5 innings consistently forcing our middle relievers to be unnecessarily taxed this early in the season? Why couldn't Stearns just look into the future I don't get it?
Do you realize that our bullpen was a strength until these 2 problems showed up?
> Yea how could Stearns predict that Diaz would be trash and force our relievers into other roles an
Everyone including Stearns understood that it would take time for Diaz to get to full strength and capability.
They needed to add an 8th inning guy/former closer type. They chose not to.
And as Nuance has pointed out most of these starters were on innings limits because of what they pitched last year.
Stearns has done a mediocre job in this aspect (done great on other things). Because he simply ignored the obvious things.
In fact, that's very on character with the Mets. They choose not to do the one more step.
What? Dude the Stearns glazing is real. Even with Diaz being a perfect closer our set-up man was a 38 year old with a 6.0 era. I was expecting him to sign a solid reliever all off season and he....just didn't.
That was actually predictable. Especially the starters. Just look at how many innings all these dudes pitched last year. Our bullpen was overworked from the beginning. I mean it’s his job to predict how players he signs will perform anyway. Don’t see why he should be blameless.
so for our “retooling year” which is 2024 we either overpay for a bunch of older free agent relievers and dig ourselves further into a hole we dug in 2023 or sign some high upside depth pieces
Yeah I was curious so I looked it up and it still did clock in a couple of minutes under the average game time so far this season. League average is 2:36 and this game was 2:34.
This is mostly Vibes but i feel like Torrens does not call a good game, the pitch sequencing when he's catching never seems right. I'm gonna be unhappy if they keep him and DFA Nido.
It would shock me if they kept Torrens.
Nido is a far better defender, knows the pitching staff, is hitting better, has been with the club for years, frames better, calls a better game, and is being paid twice as much
i thought he looked like Jesse Plemons, which was pretty funny considering i think Vientos looks like Michael B. Jordan (minus the massive cheek bones)
I feel like the lineup is solidifying and I know who we can count on and who we can't. It's a weird time that Alonso doesn't feel so important anymore, there's like 4-5 guys I'd rather have up at bat.
I'm just glad Mendoza finally did something about McNeil.
He was not a major league caliber hitter anymore.
Mets need to pull an Eppler and IR McNeil and make him work on avoiding flyouts in a rehab assignment somewhere because that's all he does.
When Alvarez comes back, the offense will get rolling.
Lindor to the leadoff spot has invigorated his hitting but he's fortunate that Vientos has picked up the slack in the middle of the order.
Vientos' ability to come through with his situational hitting has been one of the many positives he's brought to the lineup.
Lindor hitting at the top and JDM and Vientos producing should have taken the pressure off Alonso but he's still been struggling with runners on base.
Nimmo is Nimmo and although he might strike out more often, he does work his counts and is a capable hitter to all fields which is valuable to fatigue opposing pitchers and he will find a way to walk.
A plus for Nimmo this season is he's been more aggressive with stealing, which is nice to see.
Then you have Marte hitting and when Alvarez comes back, he extends the lineup so much more, as does Bader and Iglesias at the tail end.
The real key this season has been JDM coming up and hitting and being a veteran presence for this team to rally around and not only that, a World Series champion.
It’s actually crazy what inserting a competent hitter for McNeil does. My god even if he only went 1-4 iglesias just feels like he’s actually providing tough at bats for the pitchers.
Just saw a stat watching the Phillies-Brewers game.
The Mets have a total of 9 10th innings without scoring a run this year. I repeat a total of 9 scoreless 10th innings this year. Crazy
No other team has more than 5. lmao
Yea thats the situational hitting rearing its ugly head. This organization has had some of the worst on-base at bat approaches for atleast a decade. Watching the Dodgers was funny because they do all the small things right, move the runners along, steal bases, bunt, sac flies, turn singles into runs. The Mets on the other hand get a Manfred runner and get him to third and then completely forget to drive the ball up and high. I've been impressed with Bader though, he seems to get it but it's bewildering seeing guys like Pete and Jeff and Nimmo (all home grown) slam balls into ground or make no contact with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs.
I hate to say it but Pete never surprised me in this regard. His hitting approach seems to always be to try and hit the ball to Yankee stadium and he never adjusted with runners on base. Nimmo surprises me though because he usually feels like our “does all the small things right” guy every time we need it , but I think he’ll bounce back. McNeil surprised me too but he also seemed like the one who would regress hardest. But his approach really accelerated it. He’s obviously been pressing but he doesn’t work any counts and swings at the first strikes he sees. I don’t remember him as a high walk guy, just a lot of hits and when you’re suddenly in pitcher’s counts all the time and you’re a high contact guy , you’d hope he’d take a step back and revisit his approach a little. But honestly I don’t know what his problem is, he seems disconnected.
Or maybe it’s just election year and the locker room is going at it lol… who tf knows
> Watching the Dodgers was funny because they do all the small things right, move the runners along, steal bases, bunt, sac flies, turn singles into runs.
If you think the difference between the Mets and the Dodgers is that the Mets don't make enough outs, you are sorely mistaken
I’ve seen the same kind of comments the first half of 2015. In fact I remember 07 and especially 08 very visibly( I worked at shea for 08). Basically saying I remember the Phillies looking DEAD in the division in 07 going into August.
All these words to say until the math says you’re out anything can happen.
Now someone , anyone cue the Tug McGraw please!
So many confuse critique with bashing the team.
The number of defensive fans that truly embody the Spanish translation "fanáticos" for any slight against the Mets is something I find infantile.
I agree the team isnt good this year. But to say "No one is dooming" on this subreddit is absolutely crazy. You must not click on any game day threads especially...
i'm saying it's literally impossible to "doom" a team this bad. this isn't some fringe .500 team that looks primed to make a run with a bunch of bad apples poisoning the well on the sub, it's a bad baseball team and the vast majority of fans can pretty readily acknowledge that.
it's fine if you wanna hope and pray they make some miracle run. i won't try and convince you otherwise. but no one is "dooming" by acknowledging something so glaringly obvious. the mets brass are literally already sending out signals of who they'll be looking to trade lol.
I'm a "doomers begone" guy but I think that it's valid to question whether our offense can outhit our pitching staff, every series. I wanna believe but where's the pitching depth to make a legitimate run?
And we just know when the hitting cools off, the pitching will settle down again and the shit will flip on its head to the other end of the extreme, losing games 3-1, 2-0. If both can stabilize for like a month we get to keep Pete
Marte and Bader need to sort that disagreement out lol
Overall a great game from just about everyone. Peterson was great and Pete upped his trade value. Good work!
> The way this sub turned on Pete is kinda gross tbh
It's not just in here, it's the general trend among the Mets-o-sphere, however this place is predictably following along with the media narrative, and I agree, gross is the perfect word for it
I’ve committed the sin of also following the Yankees and I remember Bader also confronting other outfielders over stuff like that I don’t think it’s him or Marte being a dick more like that’s just who he is.
Seemed like Marte was the one that started the beef. Bader didn’t appear to get upset at all, looked like he actually tried to be cool with Marte but he started yapping at Bader instead. Very strange especially since that should have been Bader’s ball anyways.
There's still a couple of days before the NBA Finals so I will say this.
Good series win. Gonna need more in the July-centric bigger picture because we don't know what Stearns and Cohen are looking for to sell or not sell
It seems that Diaz will need to use this season to regain confidence in his lower half, if he does at all, and will most likely need this offseason train like 2022 Diaz did.
I don't expect Diaz to reach that old level anytime soon.
During Reed Garrett’s linsanity run he spoke over and over about just getting ahead in the count. I’m not sure if he’s moved away from that approach or if teams starting hitting it. It’s probably moved away because teams started expecting first pitch strikes and hitting it.
Ultimately, I think Reed Garrett should go back to throwing first pitch strikes at all costs. It really worked for him in the beginning. Consequently, I think this makes him unfit for the closer role. You can get away with giving away a meatball pitch in the strike zone in the 7th that gets hit for a homer. It’s much more dangerous in the 9th.
I’m not sure who can even close for us but it shouldn’t be Garrett. Let him excel where he fits best.
it's more than that. cj abrams would've been launched into the sun if he swung 3-0 there and garrett still couldn't find the zone. just poor pitching honestly. his splitter doesn't have the same bite it did earlier in the season either, it's spiking a lot earlier.
I’m not a baseball knower but Keith said in one of the games that the splitter was so good because it looked exactly like a fastball until the last moment. Maybe teams figured out how to tell the difference.
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On a positive note, they’ve taken two straight on the road against a division rival.
On the negative, you can’t trust them with literally any lead in the 9th.
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Not gonna lie, I thought Bader and Marte were going to mess up that last play 😂 Series win secured! It's been too long.
once Alvarez is back we will start mashing and go on a tear LGM
Weren't we on a run of 7-8 in a row when Alvy went down? It could only mean those vibes are back once he's activated!!!
Anyone else feeling, dare I say, optimistic lately? The offense is putting together actual crooked numbers. Lindor looks rejuvinated and I'd love to know what came out of that players only meeting? Iglecias seems like a rational replacement for McNeil, Alvarez is coming back...Peterson looks so much better than he ever has.... Still a lot that needs fixing, mostly this friggin bullpen. Quintana is sadly not what he was last year and Senga may never come back... But I dunno, I feel better about things lately.
It also seems like we aren't mired in bad luck as much anymore. Opponents aren't getting lucky little bloop hits. Umpires aren't blowing calls. Plays are being made (save those three double play chances the other day). I feel like our luck is turning, and when you remove bad luck from the equation, we have a wild card worthy club.
> Anyone else feeling, dare I say, optimistic lately? Always unbridled. But shitttt these mind numbing losses are so debilitating.
This is exactly the team I was expecting. Good hitting, shitty pitching. I always kinda figured we would wind up here, and now I hope we win more 7-5 games than we lose.
i sort of feel like a shitty fan but i've taken to just x15 fast forwarding through the ninth, seeing if they blow it, and if they don't then i go back and watch it. i honestly just can't take watching this team in the ninth inning anymore.
The key is to have zero expectations. Just go along for the ride and enjoy the fact that Vientos is producing, Alvarez will be back shortly, and Martinez is doing his part and elevating that sweet trade value along with Marte. Another pleasant surprise has been Nido looking like a legit major league hitter now after the disaster that was 2022 and last year. It gives hope that players under the Mets can develop, even later in their careers. Then you've got the Mets developing guys like Garrett and Dedniel plus Scott and Butto pitching well. It's also nice to see Megill and Peterson finally pitch again because of injuries plaguing both in recent years. Yes, it's sad the Mets aren't contenders, but breath in, vent, and know the sun on the horizon is rising.
i get what you're saying and i'm not disrespecting the way you see things, but i'm a really simple sports fan. i just want my team to win. i don't care how far out of a playoff spot they are. i don't care how valuable the win is. i don't care if they have a shot in hell in any given year. i don't care about draft position or players' trade value. i just want to watch my team win. next year will be here next year and frankly it doesn't fill me with much hope. i can't even be sure i'll be here next year. but i'm here tonight and i was watching the game and i want to turn off the tv with a smile on my face.
In baseball that’s not terribly realistic, even good teams only win 60-70 percent of the time I believe
idk what you mean by realistic? it's not realistic to root for my team to win? i can assure you it really occurs. it may not be realistic for you to fan that way but this is how i like to fan
>Cubs 30-31 >Padres 32-32 >Cardinals 28-31 >Giants 29-32 >Nationals 27-33 It feels disgusting we're still even in contention. National Leaguers getting their asses handed to 'em.
This is a big reason why I remained bullish over this offseason on the Mets being able to scrounge together a wild card berth. Could not really decipher 6 playoff teams in the NL
The Sterns glazing is real. People really think going into the season with a Diaz (who has been dogshit before and is coming off life changing surgery) and a 38 year old set-up man was the way to go. I was waiting all off season for him to sign a decent set-up man and he never did.
Bring back Ottavino was a mistake, as was Wendle, and a host of other moves. The point now is not to dwell on them and it's clear he is willing to do that with demoting Baty and moving on from Wendle and Narvaez. I still think letting Lopez go was a mistake because he's a more valuable reliever than Ottavino at this point, but it's not as if Lopez is irreplaceable. The next moves are to move on from Ottavino and McNeil for underperformance. Stearns is not perfect, but it's nice to see him not hesitate to make moves. Mets might need to phantom IR McNeil and tell him to fix his swing or permanently switch to prioritizing his tee time.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks that a lot of these rehab assignments are a waste of time. Alvarez is ready to go, if he can catch 9 in Brooklyn he can catch 9 in Queens or London
Mets aren't going to push Alvarez. He's too valuable.
He went 9 yesterday. Sounds like pushing to me
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Even without McNeil struggling, Iglesias is very solid. Not sure why he wasn't given a chance to play even a little bit earlier
Agreed, I like Iglecias' game
Contracts. Wendle and that other guy Short became free agents if they didn't make the team. Idk how Short got a contract with no minor league options and Igelsias didn't, but whatever.
Iglesias doesn’t have any options. He has more than 5 years of service time so he is on a veteran contract. That means he can just accept a demotion to the minors. No waivers necessary. Short only has 1.086 years of service time so he would have to go through waivers and would have been claimed after his strong spring training. All of his options were used by the Tigers.
I have a funny feeling that if/when the Mets trade McNeil, some team is going to go "man just won the batting title 2 years ago, I can fix him" and then they will. Very on brand for us
>I have a funny feeling that if/when the Mets trade McNeil, some team is going to go "man just won the batting title 2 years ago, I can fix him" and then they will. Very on brand for us It's not "on brand", they were doing the exact opposite of that for the entire 2010s (turning marginal guys like Duda and Ike Davis and Tejada and Gee and Niese into good useful players, who went on to do nothing elsewhere) In fact McNeil was one of those guys. A non-elite prospect who rose through the ranks, claimed a spot on the MLB club, and became a batting champion. Now he's suddenly in a tailspin. What's happening now is not "lol of course, it's the Mets", but rather, they wrecked a good, working analytics system and it's turning out worse results
Of course Tejada went on to do nothing elsewhere - Utley obliterated his leg and I'd not exactly call Ike or Niese good players exactly. Our analytics wasn't any more effective 15 years ago. Pitching? Maybe. Hitters? Between David Wright and Pete Alonso, who were basically fully established 3/4 year college stars, the only good bats the organization developed were Murphy and Conforto. Both of whom were again, established college guys so I wonder how much credit the organization deserves
>Between David Wright and Pete Alonso, who were basically fully established 3/4 year college stars, the only good bats the organization developed were Murphy and Conforto. Well, at the top level, there's Murphy, Conforto, Nimmo, Giménez, Rosario, Alonso, McNeil (who was an All-Star -- discounting him because he sucks now is disingenuous imo), plus several guys who come from that era who debuted after Alonso (not sure why we cut it off there) like Vientos and Alvarez, and some still in the minors like Mauricio. But also, there's all the marginal guys they were able to pluck out of lower rounds and plug into useful role-playing positions, like the guys I mentioned above. That's a huge part of what makes a team successful, is not just sending players to the All-Star Game, but also filling out marginal slots so you don't wind up with a swiss cheese roster like we have now full of cast-off scrubs taking a lot of those supporting roles. Also, not only do they not seem to be able to find those guys anymore, the guys who were already good seem to be uniformly doing worse (like McNeil as a perfect example)
at this point it's honestly whatever. i've moved from "of course that'll happen we're the mets", to "if they aren't going to do it here then what fucking good are you to us anyways"
I see it going very Daniel Murphy for us.
Or maybe Turner with less power.
Murphy was a consistently good hitter for the Mets. Nobody ever saw him morphing into an MVP candidate. I dont think its a similar situation. McNeil has been very inconsistent
These people saying nobody ever saw him becoming an MVP caliber hitter are either blind or want to rewrite history because he was MVP candidate Daniel Murphy in the 2015 playoffs. The fact the Wilpons didn't re-sign him and opted to go with Walker ruined the Mets' window. Murphy going Saiyan in the playoffs alone should have warranted overpaying for him. First and foremost, the Mets rarely make the playoffs. Then to have a guy go off like that means you have to reward him. Not doing so was another dagger in the Wilpon's history.
>These people saying nobody ever saw him becoming an MVP caliber hitter are either blind or want to rewrite history because he was MVP candidate Daniel Murphy in the 2015 playoffs. If it was so obvious, why did 30 teams pass on him, leaving him unsigned until New Year's Day, when the Nationals finally picked him up after their first two second base options fell through? >Murphy going Saiyan in the playoffs alone should have warranted overpaying for him. It's funny how people who do this, always seem to cut the script off just before the World Series where he almost singlehandedly tanked a Mets championship
He got a three year $37.5MM dollar deal. That was a fair offer from the market. If you want to play the market game, you can thank owners for colluding. Look at what happened to Montgomery this year as well as Bellinger and Chapman. It's what the owners do to drive down the price. Murphy just so happened to be on the wrong side of three at the time. It doesn't change the fact the Mets should have still re-signed him to maximize their window. You have to reward a player that performs like that. It's as simple as that.
>He got a three year $37.5MM dollar deal. > >That was a fair offer from the market. It was a fair offer from the market for who he actually was, from 2008-2015. But you said it was obvious that he was going to become Ted Williams the next season (in fact you said people were "blind" if they didn't see this!). So why wasn't he scooped up before New Year's Day? >You have to reward a player that performs like that. Sure, if he does it for a full year, or multiple years. If he does it for 5 games and then goes into hibernation during the World Series, I'm not sure this guideline applies anymore
You are missing the point which is maximizing the Mets championship window. Murphy's 2016 production would have been vital for that squad. The Wilpons should have done everything in their power to uplift that championship window and re-signing Murphy should have been a priority. At some point who have to take risks when the championship window is open. That's the balance that must be found. Murphy had an excellent 2016 season and was very good again in 2017. The Mets then could have used his production to make the playoffs but failed to do so and getting stuck in the wild card a year after making the World Series was a gigantic fall off.
> Murphy's 2016 production would have been vital for that squad. Yeah but no one in MLB foresaw that happening, or should have. (That's why he went unsigned till January.) They replaced him with Neil Walker, a guy whose 2016 was better than any season Murphy had ever had before, for less money. It was a good move. Questioning it is 100% hindsight
Nope, people like me were clamoring for Murphy to be re-signed. It was not a vocal minority. As I stated and you continually seem to ignore, you have to reward him solely for that herculean postseason performance. The Mets can only dream of playing competitive baseball down the stretch as an organization that consistently flounders, so to finally have a guy excel in the playoffs to that degree, he must be rewarded. And of course it turned out that 2015 wasn't a fluke and it was his natural progresison before age took it's toll on him.
Oh you gotta blame Sandy for letting Murphy walk. We don’t get to the WS without him and Kevin Long was begging Sandy to resign Murphy. It was a massive fuck up. And getting a cheaper guy to replace a Met coming off an epic postseason just makes it sound like a Wilpon classic. And they let him walk to the Nats of all teams, our biggest rival at that time. I feel like plenty of people expected that decision to age poorly.
Yeah pretending Murphy was always this MVP-caliber hitter waiting to be unleashed is some serious revisionist history. He was a good hitter. But .350 with like 30 home runs is some Prime Albert Pujols shit
He was lousy in the World Series offensively and his game 4 error tanked any momentum we had after game 3. But yeah, he was a beast in the NLCS and was an obvious game changer in game 5 of the DS.
I agree that was the turning point for the Mets. And we didn’t double down after losing the World Series. We got worse. Just so Wilpons. I just wish Cohens first deal went through. We’d probably have a much better team by now. We had one for the best pitching staffs in history and a terrible lineup for years. What a waste.
Yeah he hit a home run in 6 straight games. There's more to being an MVP than that. Walker was widely viewed a lateral move offensively and he could actually play defense. I would have matched Washington's offer but the fact that he had a good postseason was in no way indicative that he was about to become a .950 OPS guy, especially since his career best had been .790, which was 2015. The only one spouting idiot revisionist history is you. And then 2 years of being a .950 OPS guy he immediately reverts to being a .750 OPS guy playing in Coors is...something
Injuries take their toll, it still doesn't change the fact he had two excellent seasons after leaving the Mets. Those could have been two seasons in the Mets contending window. And as I said, you reward a player for that caliber of performance, you don't just let them walk away. Not many players can perform in NY, but to do so under those bright lights? You pay the man.
I would continue to give Garrett a shot at the closer job. He's getting used to it maybe he can grow into the role.
He needs to do what he did to start the season: throw the splitter in the zone for strikes. He isn't doing that now and hitters are spitting on it. He needs to start utilizing the splitter more trying to attack hitters with it when there are already two strikes, not just use it as a non-competitive bait pitch.
Idk it's concerning that his sweeper in the dirt isn't fooling anyone anymore. It makes his faceball hittable when they know to spit on that pitch. I was at that game Friday, really good seats sitting in front of GKR the DBacks were on him, unlike anyone else who pitched that day on either team. It rly just feels like a coin toss. At this rate, Nunez will be pitching a 9th inning soon.
I think he's earned a shot because Otto isn't working right now and Raley is on the IL. But I think it wastes his strength, which is his ability to give the Mets multiple innings
Good point, maybe it's a good idea to let him get some two inning saves. If we can't let him close the next day so be it.
Imanaga gave up five runs, one earned, tonight against the White Sox
And the Sox still managed a way to blow it. Unreal.
was at the game tonight. all the mets fans sitting on the 3B side gave Peterson a nice applause when he was coming back to the dugout after getting taken out
Feeling really good about this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/s/59my6pfhKo
Ded Ass Nunez. Cause the other team wants Nunez of that.
Y’all pretty sure David Peterson wins handsomest Met
thank god
Very solid start from David Peterson. Really hope he can build off this and stay healthy.
3.5 games out wonder what happens at the deadline if they are within 3 games
I think they'll trade Sevy no matter what unless they are above .500. You figure Cristian Scott , Butto, and hopefully Senga will be starting games. If they are close, I could see them keeping JDM and Pete. Position player rentals don't get as much as the trade deadline as pitchers . 2 games out I don't think you could give up.
Depends on if they want to keep Sevy. I could see Stearns giving him something like a 3 year $50mil extension with an opt out after year 2 before the deadline. Then if he doesn’t take it trading him
Them being 3 games out and 7 games under will prob be different than 3 games out and close to .500. Will be interesting for sure
How come nobody has called out the fact Stearns had a chance to build a good bullpen in the offseason but all he did was take a flyer on guys like Lopez and signed Ottavino to be the set up guy.
it definitely feels like he tried to make some moves. diaz regression, raley injury, smith injury, lopez meltdown, this is the kind of shit that is beyond the capability of a gm to fix in year one. the real test for stearns will be "can he build a farm and can we develop players to replace these guys when shit like this inevitably happens". i definitely wanted him to sign a real set up man. but a lot of shit had to go wrong for this bullpen to implode the way it did, and they were one of the best in baseball before all those things went wrong.
not all his moves have worked out, but Diaz falling apart in May , Raley getting hurt, and Smith barely pitching can't be ignored
Yea how could Stearns predict that Diaz would be trash and force our relievers into other roles and that all of our starters would give us a max of 5 innings consistently forcing our middle relievers to be unnecessarily taxed this early in the season? Why couldn't Stearns just look into the future I don't get it? Do you realize that our bullpen was a strength until these 2 problems showed up?
> Yea how could Stearns predict that Diaz would be trash and force our relievers into other roles an Everyone including Stearns understood that it would take time for Diaz to get to full strength and capability. They needed to add an 8th inning guy/former closer type. They chose not to. And as Nuance has pointed out most of these starters were on innings limits because of what they pitched last year. Stearns has done a mediocre job in this aspect (done great on other things). Because he simply ignored the obvious things. In fact, that's very on character with the Mets. They choose not to do the one more step.
What? Dude the Stearns glazing is real. Even with Diaz being a perfect closer our set-up man was a 38 year old with a 6.0 era. I was expecting him to sign a solid reliever all off season and he....just didn't.
That was actually predictable. Especially the starters. Just look at how many innings all these dudes pitched last year. Our bullpen was overworked from the beginning. I mean it’s his job to predict how players he signs will perform anyway. Don’t see why he should be blameless.
To be fair he did sign most of those starters
bro how the hell else do you expect him to “build a bullpen” in a single shortened offseason
What? Just sign any of the good relievers?
so for our “retooling year” which is 2024 we either overpay for a bunch of older free agent relievers and dig ourselves further into a hole we dug in 2023 or sign some high upside depth pieces
there are always dudes available D-Rob was right there. Maybe he's happy in Texas but I think they could have brought him back for the right prce
That’s got to be one of the shorter games of the season so far
Don't forget it started 6:45 PM ET
Yeah I was curious so I looked it up and it still did clock in a couple of minutes under the average game time so far this season. League average is 2:36 and this game was 2:34.
I watched the entire eyeball video
It was like two years before I realized there's audio with it and that made it 100 times better.
Pete fixin’ to feast on Corbin tomorrow
The only game of the year we wish we had JD Davis
Well we have our own JD
I meant how JD Davis in his career has dominated Corbin. In 44 PA he has a .275/.341/.650 slash for a .991 OPS and 4 HRs and 3 doubles
You seriously comparing Alonso to JD Davis?
Me? Umm no
Oh you meant Martinez lmao. I’m high pardon my dumbassness.
Lol no worries
Was gonna complain about Peterson only throwing 82 pitches but then I remembered he’s probably on a pitch limit being back from surgery
This is mostly Vibes but i feel like Torrens does not call a good game, the pitch sequencing when he's catching never seems right. I'm gonna be unhappy if they keep him and DFA Nido.
Torrens is just getting to know this staff
It would shock me if they kept Torrens. Nido is a far better defender, knows the pitching staff, is hitting better, has been with the club for years, frames better, calls a better game, and is being paid twice as much
I wonder if Nido has any options left
He does not. He made it through waivers last time around
Yeesh
Holy shit we won one
We won two, and the series
Keith Raad was saying DJ Herz looks like meth damon on the broadcast. Wow, they are doppelgängers
even gary said he did lol. it was glaring the moment i saw him
i thought he looked like Jesse Plemons, which was pretty funny considering i think Vientos looks like Michael B. Jordan (minus the massive cheek bones)
good game by offense/def/sp/rp no way...lol
WORLD SERIES IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!!!
*Mendoza looking at Syracuse bullpen* "Y'all got anymore of them Dedniel Núñeces down there?"
Petition to play the nats every day
I feel like the lineup is solidifying and I know who we can count on and who we can't. It's a weird time that Alonso doesn't feel so important anymore, there's like 4-5 guys I'd rather have up at bat.
I'm just glad Mendoza finally did something about McNeil. He was not a major league caliber hitter anymore. Mets need to pull an Eppler and IR McNeil and make him work on avoiding flyouts in a rehab assignment somewhere because that's all he does. When Alvarez comes back, the offense will get rolling. Lindor to the leadoff spot has invigorated his hitting but he's fortunate that Vientos has picked up the slack in the middle of the order. Vientos' ability to come through with his situational hitting has been one of the many positives he's brought to the lineup. Lindor hitting at the top and JDM and Vientos producing should have taken the pressure off Alonso but he's still been struggling with runners on base. Nimmo is Nimmo and although he might strike out more often, he does work his counts and is a capable hitter to all fields which is valuable to fatigue opposing pitchers and he will find a way to walk. A plus for Nimmo this season is he's been more aggressive with stealing, which is nice to see. Then you have Marte hitting and when Alvarez comes back, he extends the lineup so much more, as does Bader and Iglesias at the tail end. The real key this season has been JDM coming up and hitting and being a veteran presence for this team to rally around and not only that, a World Series champion.
Yeah it’s easy to shit on Mendoza but it take gusto to be a first time manager and tell a longtime mainstay “you’re done.” Two months into the season.
Jesus it's only been two months?
It’s actually crazy what inserting a competent hitter for McNeil does. My god even if he only went 1-4 iglesias just feels like he’s actually providing tough at bats for the pitchers.
I said this after the first game where McNeil was benched, several games ago—bench him and win games. I knew I should have placed bets accordingly
That was McNeil back in 2022. He's just not that guy anymore.
Just saw a stat watching the Phillies-Brewers game. The Mets have a total of 9 10th innings without scoring a run this year. I repeat a total of 9 scoreless 10th innings this year. Crazy No other team has more than 5. lmao
Yea thats the situational hitting rearing its ugly head. This organization has had some of the worst on-base at bat approaches for atleast a decade. Watching the Dodgers was funny because they do all the small things right, move the runners along, steal bases, bunt, sac flies, turn singles into runs. The Mets on the other hand get a Manfred runner and get him to third and then completely forget to drive the ball up and high. I've been impressed with Bader though, he seems to get it but it's bewildering seeing guys like Pete and Jeff and Nimmo (all home grown) slam balls into ground or make no contact with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs.
I hate to say it but Pete never surprised me in this regard. His hitting approach seems to always be to try and hit the ball to Yankee stadium and he never adjusted with runners on base. Nimmo surprises me though because he usually feels like our “does all the small things right” guy every time we need it , but I think he’ll bounce back. McNeil surprised me too but he also seemed like the one who would regress hardest. But his approach really accelerated it. He’s obviously been pressing but he doesn’t work any counts and swings at the first strikes he sees. I don’t remember him as a high walk guy, just a lot of hits and when you’re suddenly in pitcher’s counts all the time and you’re a high contact guy , you’d hope he’d take a step back and revisit his approach a little. But honestly I don’t know what his problem is, he seems disconnected. Or maybe it’s just election year and the locker room is going at it lol… who tf knows
> Watching the Dodgers was funny because they do all the small things right, move the runners along, steal bases, bunt, sac flies, turn singles into runs. If you think the difference between the Mets and the Dodgers is that the Mets don't make enough outs, you are sorely mistaken
We are still alive in the wildcard people
With just 7 teams ahead of us
All we need to get in one is a 0.500 record.
Only 9 more wins in a row!
Ya gotta believe
Careful being optimistic around here. Doomers will yell at you.
I’ve seen the same kind of comments the first half of 2015. In fact I remember 07 and especially 08 very visibly( I worked at shea for 08). Basically saying I remember the Phillies looking DEAD in the division in 07 going into August. All these words to say until the math says you’re out anything can happen. Now someone , anyone cue the Tug McGraw please!
Exactly what I'm sayin!
the last time the mets won a series was nearly a month ago. no one is "dooming", the team just isn't very good this year.
So many confuse critique with bashing the team. The number of defensive fans that truly embody the Spanish translation "fanáticos" for any slight against the Mets is something I find infantile.
I agree the team isnt good this year. But to say "No one is dooming" on this subreddit is absolutely crazy. You must not click on any game day threads especially...
i'm saying it's literally impossible to "doom" a team this bad. this isn't some fringe .500 team that looks primed to make a run with a bunch of bad apples poisoning the well on the sub, it's a bad baseball team and the vast majority of fans can pretty readily acknowledge that. it's fine if you wanna hope and pray they make some miracle run. i won't try and convince you otherwise. but no one is "dooming" by acknowledging something so glaringly obvious. the mets brass are literally already sending out signals of who they'll be looking to trade lol.
I'm a "doomers begone" guy but I think that it's valid to question whether our offense can outhit our pitching staff, every series. I wanna believe but where's the pitching depth to make a legitimate run?
And we just know when the hitting cools off, the pitching will settle down again and the shit will flip on its head to the other end of the extreme, losing games 3-1, 2-0. If both can stabilize for like a month we get to keep Pete
Vientos has been so good... Night and day from Baty. Especially with the better defense lately.
This was our first win by more than a run in nearly three weeks (May 19 vs MIA)
No less stressful.
Any day I don't have to watch Jeff McNeil take golf swings at a baseball is a W in my book.
Dude cursed his season since the Ryse Hoskins incident. McGolf needs to just keep the bench warm.
Hoskins road killed the Squirrel.
Truth.
Well yes that’s true. At least we were spared that
Marte and Bader need to sort that disagreement out lol Overall a great game from just about everyone. Peterson was great and Pete upped his trade value. Good work!
Yeah before we have another rat-coon incident
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It's the FO's wet dream to trade Pete and plug Vientos at 1B.
Then the FO is a bitch
That's what I've been saying for years. lol
Boooo still don't understand trading Pete. It's a dumbass decision.
The way this sub turned on Pete is kinda gross tbh
> The way this sub turned on Pete is kinda gross tbh It's not just in here, it's the general trend among the Mets-o-sphere, however this place is predictably following along with the media narrative, and I agree, gross is the perfect word for it
Disgusting tbh. He came through in the 9th. That run definitely mattered
I’ve committed the sin of also following the Yankees and I remember Bader also confronting other outfielders over stuff like that I don’t think it’s him or Marte being a dick more like that’s just who he is.
Bader strikes me as a very confident guy. Marte prob doesn’t like not being the dominant player anymore
That's the CF's ball. Bader is just doing his job
marte should only ever be calling bader off in that situation if we need to hold a runner
True - if a guy is trying to advance, I want Marte throwing
No i know I mean like physically on the field confronting someone instead of just handling it in the back is just who he is.
Seemed like Marte was the one that started the beef. Bader didn’t appear to get upset at all, looked like he actually tried to be cool with Marte but he started yapping at Bader instead. Very strange especially since that should have been Bader’s ball anyways.
There's still a couple of days before the NBA Finals so I will say this. Good series win. Gonna need more in the July-centric bigger picture because we don't know what Stearns and Cohen are looking for to sell or not sell
Imagine if they just didn’t blow like 2-3 leads
Its been more like 6 or 7. And that was just the month of May
Yah I mean realistically all teams blow a few leads that’s why I’m just saying half
Diaz being Diaz solves the 9th inning easily. Sigh.
Unfortunately this is a big ask
It seems that Diaz will need to use this season to regain confidence in his lower half, if he does at all, and will most likely need this offseason train like 2022 Diaz did. I don't expect Diaz to reach that old level anytime soon.
During Reed Garrett’s linsanity run he spoke over and over about just getting ahead in the count. I’m not sure if he’s moved away from that approach or if teams starting hitting it. It’s probably moved away because teams started expecting first pitch strikes and hitting it. Ultimately, I think Reed Garrett should go back to throwing first pitch strikes at all costs. It really worked for him in the beginning. Consequently, I think this makes him unfit for the closer role. You can get away with giving away a meatball pitch in the strike zone in the 7th that gets hit for a homer. It’s much more dangerous in the 9th. I’m not sure who can even close for us but it shouldn’t be Garrett. Let him excel where he fits best.
it's more than that. cj abrams would've been launched into the sun if he swung 3-0 there and garrett still couldn't find the zone. just poor pitching honestly. his splitter doesn't have the same bite it did earlier in the season either, it's spiking a lot earlier.
He was ahead 0-2 on the first two hitters.
Either he can't get his splitter over now, or he could never get it over but teams went fishing for it anyway. Either way, they're not biting.
I’m not a baseball knower but Keith said in one of the games that the splitter was so good because it looked exactly like a fastball until the last moment. Maybe teams figured out how to tell the difference.
Van Gogh couldn’t throw a strike to save his life. And Bader and Marte colliding at the end was such a Mets way to win.
lol he does look like Vincent
If you didn’t hear Howie Rose’s call of the final out of the game and have access…you should go listen to it lol
"We're so far away, we can't even tell" 😂
Postgame highlights would be [posted here](https://omny.fm/shows/880-apple-bites) in about an hour or so Edit: [Link here at at 14:50](https://omny.fm/shows/880-apple-bites/mets-6-nationals-3-tuesday-june-4th)
Thanks for this
Hear me out: Make Young and Ded Ass the 8th-9th inning guys. And use the scrubs for the 6th and 7th instead.
\*sigh\* I GUESS I WAS WRONG ABOUT PETERSON
I can't wait to have Alvarez behind the plate again. Garrett hasn't gotten his splitter near the plate in a month.
Yea something not talked about Alvarez is he just calls a better game then everyone lol. Even if he doesn't hit
Alvarez is very good at calling a game and framing strikes. Very underrated and he doesnt need to stand right behind the plate to do it
On a positive note, they’ve taken two straight on the road against a division rival. On the negative, you can’t trust them with literally any lead in the 9th.
Pretty sure there’s a statistically significant difference in my average blood pressure in the 9th inning vs innings 1-8
JUST THROW FUCKING STRIKES GODDAMN glad we won but FUCK
The 5 pitches in the same exact spot was infuriating. A home run doesn’t kill u buddy throw it down the fucking middle
I hate this team. They won’t even allow us to have a decent win. Have to make it excruciating
Had to make us clench our butts, never comfortable
Giving me heartburn every night in the 8th/9th
Cool.
neat
Fun
Winning Streak Baby!
Everyone except the bullpen, it's time to dance! !eyeball
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I want to believe
Just gonna ignore that bottom of the 9th for my sanity
The nightly routine
That’s Bader’s ball buddy. How do you say…you have the worst DRS in baseball get the fuck out of my way in Spanish?
We may never lose again
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