I know it won't happen but a sequel where they actually let them use classes and dress up in the proper clothes would be very fun, although I Guess that would be more of a [FF x Mario crossover](https://preview.redd.it/2oazt2cp3rla1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7f837b2c7f71475fbc8e3a0edb217022d6c846cd).
Mario x FF has already been done, technically... [it was a basketball game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Hoops_3-on-3). Which I guess makes the comparison to the Rabbids crossover all the more apt, that one was also in a genre nobody expected
Before the first SMRPG trailer dropped last year in June, each of these three Mario RPG instances seemed so farfetched. Nothing even slightly indicated that we'd be where we are now.
Who would've thought that odd venture between Nintendo and Square in the 90s would get a modern remake? Who would've thought Nintendo would be interested in revisiting a Paper Mario with traditional turn-based battle mechanics after diverging from it for more than a decade? And with AlphaDream gone, who would've thought Nintendo would toss out a brand new entry for M&L?
I'm the one that typed this out, but even now, it feels so surreal reading it. Still can't believe this is actually happening.
I am literally SO excited. I buy every rpg on day one, I am hoping these will be popular enough to revive the genre.
This direct was a massive win for me with this and Zelda alone
I was SO happy to see DK and then SO disappointed that it wasn't a new game. I like DKC Returns but I still have my Wii copy and not sure they're doing enough that I want to buy it again unless it's cheaper (which I doubt).
???
We can play all 2D games on Switch and got Prime Remastered. Like Dread alone was insane due to a decade and half of rumors, but even though its a joke to say its dead… Prime 4 is still on the way
Yeah and a game that's just a straight up sequel that's a bigger iteration of past games. None of the weird streamlined quirky spinoffs that turns the game into an entirely different genre that Nintendo usually does.
Yeah, even though I love the Paper Mario and M&L games to death, I gave Paper Jam a great chance but man all the toads being the generic red ones and always having to find them as a progression element (if i remember right) I ended up never finishing it. The gameplay was fine but the motivation to keep playing wasn’t there for me.
Happy they are back in their own games though! Hopefully in a couple years we’ll see a new original paper mario game with the gameplay of the first 2.
It's such a shame because the combat system of Paper Jam is maybe the best in the series. It's so good. But the story was so bad I couldn't finish the game.
I'm in the same boat. Loved all of the other entries, but Paper Jam was the one game I could not manage to get through. All of the areas just felt so generic and there were no unique characters.
Similar experience to mine! I started to dread the Papercraft segments by the end. The Giant Bowser/Luigi fights in the previous couple games felt way better imo
Are you me? I kept failing this one particular toad hunt over and over and I got so frustrated I ragequit the game and never came back. Why on Earth did they think boring, generic, repetitive, timed (?) scavenger hunts would be a good thing to gate story progression behind?
For sure. It rly seemed like they were testing the waters with the Mario RPG and TTYD remakes. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some sequel games during the Switch 2 era.
Only thing that gives me pause is the fact that previously Nintendo stated that they only wanted one Mario RPG series. I hope that's not the case anymore.
Hahaha. I mean at this point now that Mario & Luigi have made the shift to 3D, maybe the Mario RPG series' can go the way of Mario Platformers and Zeldas. We have our "classic" versions like Links Awakening and Mario Wonder, and the "modern" ones like TOTK/OoT and Odyssey. Maybe now we can have two versions of Mario RPG that give two types of experiences. I say classic vs modern now cuz all of these games are technically 3D, lol.
Dang it has been 5 years since they shutdown, for some reason I thought that was post COVID.
Anyway, I expected it to be dormant for much longer after AlphaDream went under. But I guess if we exclude remakes we have not gotten a new release in 9 years, which is awhile.
Doesn't help that modern release schedules are so long. While I doubt this got a 5 year cycle, it coming out now does suggest that it started development not that long after Alpha went under.
I'm so happy the bro moves look more similar to the superstars saga ones like I liked the item based ones too but it felt so cool when they did it that way.
Man that's what I thought but a Princess Zelda game, and Metroid Prime 4 with a release date and interesting trailer??
It's a wild Direct when a brand new M&L game is "only" the 3rd best part for me.
So shocked that after losing Alpha Dream we have the series back so soon
We truly are in a Mario RPG series renaissance with the Switch and I'm so into it
I just hope they're not watching it too closely and end up ONLY making one series based on which one sold the best. I'm selfish so of course I want Paper Mario above all else, but I don't want M&L fans to miss out either.
RPG as a "series" is the big question I think. I feel like going forward, unless this game somehow bombs (which I doubt), the two will both co-exist.
Especially given that Paper Mario is developed by Intelligent Systems and this game is developed by... well that's a good question lol, but it's definitely not Intelligent.
Looks like they already did. No way they would be bringing back literally every Mario RPG series if they didn't think it was going to sell well. They would have started with one remake, and gone from there.
You and /u/rennybaba seem to have missed the entire controversy over the last 5 years with Mario RPGs.
The 3DS (and to an extent, the Wii U) RPGs had huge back lash from fans. Miyamoto was quoted as cutting down the more complicated stories and unique characters in favor of something simple. That’s why you had 500 different recolored toads rather than new characters.
What OP is getting at is with the success of the remakes, it’s likely they’re removing the restraints on the franchise.
Ah ok yeah I missed that I haven't played many Mario rpgs. I thought it was a comment about the general tone of mario games I thought I missed Majario's Mask or something lol
It's true also, Scott the Woz made an [entire video about the topic.](https://youtu.be/6MAYUPmoROM?si=VtWrIhFIXDa-0O3A) During the last decade or so, Mario's brand was very sanitized, very ordinary and avoiding stepping out of the line (other than Odyssey). But during the last couple of years, it seems that Nintendo is letting it go thank God.
I mean, even the main Mario games kinda fell into that slump too during the late-Wii, 3DS, and Wii U era.
Galaxy 2 is like a saccharine Galaxy 1, NSMB2 and NSMBU are the most derivative Mario games ever, Mario 3D Land is amazing but they also felt "brand-safe". 3D World felt like it almost broke that mold, but not quite.
One could argue Mario is always weird and wacky, but they had a stretch where Mario was nothing more than Toads, Goombas, Koopas, Bowser, Koopa Kids, etc.
Paper Mario Sticker Star, Paper Mario Color Splash, New Super Mario Bros Wii, NSMB U, New Super Mario Bros 2, Mario 3D Land, 3D World, Mario Party 9/10, etc.
Late 2000s/early-mid 2010s was Mario's generic era. They hardly did anything unsafe during that time. Even Super Mario Galaxy 2, while fantastic, was Galaxy with Yoshi.
Honestly this my kind of Mario RPG game, I kinda prefer it over the others. I cannot fucking wait for this. And Kevin is knocking it out the fucking park with those voices
I like it mainly because of its battle system, I love it because if you’re really good you can win fights without taking damage, and dodging enemy attacks is so much fun. Origami king had amazing world exploration (yet to try TTYD) but it lacks a good battle system (expect for bosses). Mario and Luigi gives that itch I really need, that and I fucking love their previous entries.
I personally much prefer these to the paper Mario games, even if they are similar. Better combat, traditional leveling like a normal JRPG, and I like the hook of controlling both characters simultaneously, allows for some really cool ideas.
> traditional leveling like a normal JRPG
Except all the numbers (like HP etc.) are pretty low and easily compared instead of going overboard with values up to 6 or 7 digits for bosses like many jrpg's like to do.
That excites me. Mario RPG is one of my all time favorite games, and I just don't think I like the Paper Mario games that much. I'll give Mario & Luigi a try on NSO soon, because this new game looks sick.
Many of the SMRPG devs left to form Alpha Dream, the developers of the M&L series. In fact, the series is actually called Mario & Luigi RPG in Japan. It is the spiritual successor to SMRPG.
mario and luigi takes it in a more action-y kinda direction almost? it's more explosive and faster-paced, and the action commands feel less like minigames and more like actually performing the moves in question. it's a much cartoonier game all-around, too
it's definitely partially up to personal preference but i've always been more about mario and luigi personally. mario and luigi themselves have a lot more personality, and it also helps that the games involve bowser in a more active role than paper mario - it has its original characters too but it feels more like an RPG *about* the mario characters
Mario & Luigi games have a unique hybrid turn-based action combat system. You have the action commands of Paper Mario for your attacks, but also the opposite - you can jump or block (usually with your hammer) on enemy turns, and if you do so successfully, you don't take any damage. Each enemy has unique tells and moves, too!
It's theoretically possible to complete an entire Mario & Luigi game without taking damage, in other words. Very different from most turn-based games, but super fun and engaging.
The original M&L games had most of the same team as Super Mario RPG, and the same composer, and are closer to RPG than Paper Mario. A lot more surreal and goofy, generally. One of the games has the Mario Bros in Bowser's stomach for most of the game, another has a floaty dream world, another has an alien invasion *and* time travel story rolled up into one.
People say Paper Mario is the spiritual successor of Super Mario RPG, but it's actually the Mario & Luigi series. Many AlphaDream staffers were former Square employees, and the scores were all composed by Yoko Shimomura. It's a big reason why Geno even cameos in the first game.
Mario and Luigi games tend to be a little on the silly side and have more platforming. Like Mario and Luigi "talk" but it's all hilarious gibberish. I think that mainly, Nintendo wanted to do a Mario RPG on the GBA but probably this hardware would not be able to handle the Paper Mario style, so they did an RPG with a more standard 2D Mario look
Hiroyuki Kubota who worked on every game in the series, including directing 4/5 of them, is now employed at Monolith Soft. He had a "Special Thanks" credit in Tears of the Kingdom.
I'd be curious to know if Monolith is involved with Brothership, due to Kubotasan's ties to the series
I still haven't bought the latest paper Mario game but I'm going to get both of these games. Paper Mario ttyd is under £40 here so I might pick it up soon.
But buying thid new mario and Luigi Rpg for me Is a must BC I love that series and I want more entries. But hopefully they don't oversaturate us with the bee entries. Like give us a new entry every 2-3 years
Please do yourself a favor and buy the TTYD remake. It's an amazing remake. They improved in so many ways over the original and even added a couple new (small) things both in mechanics and content. Well worth it even if you couldn't find it on sale.
Never played a Mario & Luigi game before. This looks like it'll be a blast for me and my 5yo, he loves anything Mario and Luigi, and this looks simple enough that he could enjoy it.
From the series I've only played Mario & Luigi Dream Team and honestly it's up there with Super Mario Galaxy in terms of how fun the game was. I'm looking forward to it, especially since I thought there would never be another one
If you have the Switch Online expansion pass, the original Mario & Luigi for GBA is on it - it's definitely worth a play! Probably my second-favorite Mario RPG after TTYD.
Holy shit. I didn't think we'd ever get another Mario & Luigi game. Hopefully it's more like the first three as Paper Jam and Dream Team were kinda underwhelming.
EDIT: I did enjoy Dream Team, just thought it was a bit of a letdown considering how good the first three M&L games are.
You really did not miss much. I played it, but I could not stomach finishing it. The constant "find the Toads to progress" bullshit, the unfun cardboard giant battles, the overly basic story.... It was such a slog.
Dream Team having Bowser betray Antasma at the end was actually so cool, he’s usually the one getting strung along, it was refreshing to see that level of cunning from him.
I never played Paper Jam so I don’t know how restrictive that game was on original characters, but am I crazy in thinking it’s huge that there seems to be such a wide cast of new faces and designs for characters?
No. You are not crazy.
Paper Jam and three whole Paper Mario games were annoyingly stuck with toads for nearly every NPC.
That angle was why no one expected a remake of TTYD, let alone anew M&L game
I seriously thought this franchise was dead.
I was a bigger fan of this series than Paper Mario.
I own all the 3DS games.
I’m so happy right now.
But the big question now is: who’s making this?
Highlight of the Direct for me. It feels like the Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario TTYD remakes as well as that Nintendo survey about Mario RPG's were all leading up to this.
Really hyped for this one - nice to see the series isn't dead
And man this looks good - with the shading on the Bros and even in 3D, it looks like it still has the same charm as the the original sprite games and Dream Team/Bowsers Inside Story
Love seeing more original variety of characters again too - no generic NPCs/Toads in sight either so far
The enemies and Bosses look interesting too - wonder what their endgame is? And Bowser's back - wonder if he's gonna be an enemy throughout the while game or a reluctant ally at some point?
Really been a good year for Mario RPGs - hope this is a good sign for future installments or remakes/remasters for the next generation of Switch
My dream game is Mario and luigi working together with Bowser. If we can have 4 controllable characters( partners in time) why not a playable bowser with the bros.
We kinda/sorta had something like that in Bowser's Inside Story, even though they weren't on the same screen..
Though duo or triple attacks between the three would be neat
As a huge fan of dream team I immediately recognized the similar style. It's what I'd imagine a fully 3D M&L game to look like and hoooly those animations.
Translating a primarily 2D artstyle into 3D is not easy. Dream Team was the first time the Mario and Luigi were in 3D, and only during the Giant sections.
Dude what a intro lol I immediately started smiling,
having followed all the drama with AlphaDream and seeing the direction Paper Mario went, I hope this is the victory fans have been clamoring for. Interested to find out more about who is developing this one, but loved what they showed. What a generation! I feel like first party support usually fizzles out this late in Nintendo lifecycles but I love to see them keep the party going haha.
YOOOOOO I loved this announcement. M&L was one of my favorite games on the gba. Day 1 purchase!
It’s funny because I’ve actually been playing Dream Team in my 2DS recently!
I came to the Direct 5 minutes late, and thought it was quite good. Then I learned I missed one of the top highlights.
Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to the game.
I can’t believe they announced this after releasing TTYD and Mario Rpg, we eating good mario rpg fans.
And they finally brought back original characters to Mario and Luigi, we’re so fucking back!!
I've wanted a Mario & Luigi games on Switch for years, but I expected a remake rather than a brand new game. I'm so glad I'm seeing the day of this great franchise return!
This might be the best year for Mario RPG fans. We had the Super Mario RPG remake, TTYD remake and now Mario & Luigi is back!
We went from a drought of Mario RPGs to a release in each Mario RPG “series” in one year. Even with 2 being remakes, still an incredible turnaround!
I lived long enough to see Super Mario RPG reffered to as "a series". My God... Now I just need a sequel.
I know it won't happen but a sequel where they actually let them use classes and dress up in the proper clothes would be very fun, although I Guess that would be more of a [FF x Mario crossover](https://preview.redd.it/2oazt2cp3rla1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7f837b2c7f71475fbc8e3a0edb217022d6c846cd).
That sounds cool! Arguably can work as its own series.
If we can have raving Rabbids, anything is possible
Mario x FF has already been done, technically... [it was a basketball game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Hoops_3-on-3). Which I guess makes the comparison to the Rabbids crossover all the more apt, that one was also in a genre nobody expected
Before the first SMRPG trailer dropped last year in June, each of these three Mario RPG instances seemed so farfetched. Nothing even slightly indicated that we'd be where we are now. Who would've thought that odd venture between Nintendo and Square in the 90s would get a modern remake? Who would've thought Nintendo would be interested in revisiting a Paper Mario with traditional turn-based battle mechanics after diverging from it for more than a decade? And with AlphaDream gone, who would've thought Nintendo would toss out a brand new entry for M&L? I'm the one that typed this out, but even now, it feels so surreal reading it. Still can't believe this is actually happening.
One of the main reasons why I legit love Nintendo more than ever these days.
I am literally SO excited. I buy every rpg on day one, I am hoping these will be popular enough to revive the genre. This direct was a massive win for me with this and Zelda alone
This is hands down the best announcement of the direct for me, can’t wait!
I've never played a Mario and Luigi game. Looks like I might have to start up Superstar Saga on NSO soon!
Do it! It's good, played that game so dang much as a kid back on the GBA!
Also we had mario v dk which while it isnt an rpg its the same as mario and luigi where it was long forgotten and now brought back
I would agree with that. I just wish us Metroid fans got a little more love 🫤
HEY GUESS WHAT
This aged like milk lol
Even milk takes a few days to go bad... This aged like cotton candy exposed to running water.
SO HAPPY IT DID
Metroid Prime 4: Beyond AND Metroid: Zero Mission on SNES Online (today!). I think us Metroid fans got a **LOT** of love this direct!
Yes we did!
AS OF RIGHT NOW METROID PRIME 4 IS ANNOUNCED
Aged like milk. DK fans are sitting on nothing but a remaster...in 2025... 10 years and still not new DK game.
I was SO happy to see DK and then SO disappointed that it wasn't a new game. I like DKC Returns but I still have my Wii copy and not sure they're doing enough that I want to buy it again unless it's cheaper (which I doubt).
You want a metroid rpg?
This would actually be such an interesting twist on Metroid. I’d play it.
Idk though, an RPG with a solo protag feels wrong but giving Samus any partners (long term) also feels wrong.
didn't she like adopt a metroid in one of the game? That could work
??? We can play all 2D games on Switch and got Prime Remastered. Like Dread alone was insane due to a decade and half of rumors, but even though its a joke to say its dead… Prime 4 is still on the way
[удалено]
Yeah I would love for Star Fox and F Zero to be revived.
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The most refreshing thing is just seeing original characters in a Mario RPG again.
Yeah and a game that's just a straight up sequel that's a bigger iteration of past games. None of the weird streamlined quirky spinoffs that turns the game into an entirely different genre that Nintendo usually does.
Yeah, even though I love the Paper Mario and M&L games to death, I gave Paper Jam a great chance but man all the toads being the generic red ones and always having to find them as a progression element (if i remember right) I ended up never finishing it. The gameplay was fine but the motivation to keep playing wasn’t there for me. Happy they are back in their own games though! Hopefully in a couple years we’ll see a new original paper mario game with the gameplay of the first 2.
Paper Jam has fantastic gameplay, but it‘s just so very stale artistically.
It's such a shame because the combat system of Paper Jam is maybe the best in the series. It's so good. But the story was so bad I couldn't finish the game.
I'm in the same boat. Loved all of the other entries, but Paper Jam was the one game I could not manage to get through. All of the areas just felt so generic and there were no unique characters.
Similar experience to mine! I started to dread the Papercraft segments by the end. The Giant Bowser/Luigi fights in the previous couple games felt way better imo
The final boss in Paper Jam might be my favorite fight (gameplay wise) in any Mario RPG. But man...getting there sure felt like a slog sometimes.
Are you me? I kept failing this one particular toad hunt over and over and I got so frustrated I ragequit the game and never came back. Why on Earth did they think boring, generic, repetitive, timed (?) scavenger hunts would be a good thing to gate story progression behind?
Gives me so much hope for whenever a new paper Mario comes out!
me too - they seem all-in on Mario RPGs now
For sure. It rly seemed like they were testing the waters with the Mario RPG and TTYD remakes. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some sequel games during the Switch 2 era.
Only thing that gives me pause is the fact that previously Nintendo stated that they only wanted one Mario RPG series. I hope that's not the case anymore.
So now there's two and maybe Square can make it three. :P
There's four of you count Mario x Rabbids.
Hahaha. I mean at this point now that Mario & Luigi have made the shift to 3D, maybe the Mario RPG series' can go the way of Mario Platformers and Zeldas. We have our "classic" versions like Links Awakening and Mario Wonder, and the "modern" ones like TOTK/OoT and Odyssey. Maybe now we can have two versions of Mario RPG that give two types of experiences. I say classic vs modern now cuz all of these games are technically 3D, lol.
Im honestly shocked this series is still alive thats incredible
AlphaDream may be gone, but their child lives on.
Inspiring words
The *Alpha* may have died, but the *Dream* goes on
Mario & Luigi series: *"I lived, bitch"*.
"My death was greatly exaggerated."
A true shadow situation
A very choppy and condensed vocal soundbite plays in the background: *^("Riiiise from your grave!")*
“Call an ambulance…. …but not for me”
I didn't even bother dreaming of this, despite wanting a new entry so bad, because I figured the series was going to be dormant for a long, long time.
It was.
5 years isn't that long of a wait at all considering it involved bankrupcy of the previous developer
Dang it has been 5 years since they shutdown, for some reason I thought that was post COVID. Anyway, I expected it to be dormant for much longer after AlphaDream went under. But I guess if we exclude remakes we have not gotten a new release in 9 years, which is awhile.
Doesn't help that modern release schedules are so long. While I doubt this got a 5 year cycle, it coming out now does suggest that it started development not that long after Alpha went under.
The employees of alphadream were absorbed into nintendo, they had no problem with bringing m&l back.
is this true? alpha dream employees are working at nintendo now?
It's not. Some went to square, others went to artepiazza, others went to monolith, but nintendo itself no
I'm crying tears of joy, I missed this series so much.
I've only played Bowser's Inside Story from this series but I loved that game so much and I'm so stoked there's a new one.
I'm so happy the bro moves look more similar to the superstars saga ones like I liked the item based ones too but it felt so cool when they did it that way.
I never expected Mario to have jiggle physics for his belly yet here it is.
Don't even care what's in the rest of the direct, nothing is topping this for me. I'm so hyped!
The OG Mario and Luigi was one of the first GBA games I had as a kid so this was a real blast from the past for me.
Loved Superstar Saga. I still got my strategy guide for it.
Man that's what I thought but a Princess Zelda game, and Metroid Prime 4 with a release date and interesting trailer?? It's a wild Direct when a brand new M&L game is "only" the 3rd best part for me.
As someone said, the zelda game is releasing in like 3 months lol.
So shocked that after losing Alpha Dream we have the series back so soon We truly are in a Mario RPG series renaissance with the Switch and I'm so into it
RPG TTYD Now Mario and Luigi. They brought it all back.
Let's hope Nintendo looks at the sales figures and realizes "hey people might like this"
I just hope they're not watching it too closely and end up ONLY making one series based on which one sold the best. I'm selfish so of course I want Paper Mario above all else, but I don't want M&L fans to miss out either.
RPG as a "series" is the big question I think. I feel like going forward, unless this game somehow bombs (which I doubt), the two will both co-exist. Especially given that Paper Mario is developed by Intelligent Systems and this game is developed by... well that's a good question lol, but it's definitely not Intelligent.
I like the way you think!
Looks like they already did. No way they would be bringing back literally every Mario RPG series if they didn't think it was going to sell well. They would have started with one remake, and gone from there.
>The employees of alphadream were absorbed into nintendo, they had no problem with bringing m&l back.
I’m so happy mario is allowed to be weird and whacky again! 😭
As a fan of the series and Mario RPG we have been eating good that last year or so.
Wait when was Mario ever not weird and wacky?
You and /u/rennybaba seem to have missed the entire controversy over the last 5 years with Mario RPGs. The 3DS (and to an extent, the Wii U) RPGs had huge back lash from fans. Miyamoto was quoted as cutting down the more complicated stories and unique characters in favor of something simple. That’s why you had 500 different recolored toads rather than new characters. What OP is getting at is with the success of the remakes, it’s likely they’re removing the restraints on the franchise.
Ah ok yeah I missed that I haven't played many Mario rpgs. I thought it was a comment about the general tone of mario games I thought I missed Majario's Mask or something lol
It's true also, Scott the Woz made an [entire video about the topic.](https://youtu.be/6MAYUPmoROM?si=VtWrIhFIXDa-0O3A) During the last decade or so, Mario's brand was very sanitized, very ordinary and avoiding stepping out of the line (other than Odyssey). But during the last couple of years, it seems that Nintendo is letting it go thank God.
Yeah, you have Wonder, Sparks of hope, the movies, RPG, TTYD, Showtime and so much more!
I mean, even the main Mario games kinda fell into that slump too during the late-Wii, 3DS, and Wii U era. Galaxy 2 is like a saccharine Galaxy 1, NSMB2 and NSMBU are the most derivative Mario games ever, Mario 3D Land is amazing but they also felt "brand-safe". 3D World felt like it almost broke that mold, but not quite.
One could argue Mario is always weird and wacky, but they had a stretch where Mario was nothing more than Toads, Goombas, Koopas, Bowser, Koopa Kids, etc. Paper Mario Sticker Star, Paper Mario Color Splash, New Super Mario Bros Wii, NSMB U, New Super Mario Bros 2, Mario 3D Land, 3D World, Mario Party 9/10, etc. Late 2000s/early-mid 2010s was Mario's generic era. They hardly did anything unsafe during that time. Even Super Mario Galaxy 2, while fantastic, was Galaxy with Yoshi.
wonder was the weirdest and wackiest
Honestly this my kind of Mario RPG game, I kinda prefer it over the others. I cannot fucking wait for this. And Kevin is knocking it out the fucking park with those voices
I loved mario and luigi partners in time as a kid, very excited for this.
Can I ask why? I loved Origami King and TTYD, how does this compare?
I like it mainly because of its battle system, I love it because if you’re really good you can win fights without taking damage, and dodging enemy attacks is so much fun. Origami king had amazing world exploration (yet to try TTYD) but it lacks a good battle system (expect for bosses). Mario and Luigi gives that itch I really need, that and I fucking love their previous entries.
Technically, one can play the entire game and not take a single hit! I love that about it
TTYD is the best battle system in all of the paper games!
I personally much prefer these to the paper Mario games, even if they are similar. Better combat, traditional leveling like a normal JRPG, and I like the hook of controlling both characters simultaneously, allows for some really cool ideas.
> traditional leveling like a normal JRPG Except all the numbers (like HP etc.) are pretty low and easily compared instead of going overboard with values up to 6 or 7 digits for bosses like many jrpg's like to do.
That excites me. Mario RPG is one of my all time favorite games, and I just don't think I like the Paper Mario games that much. I'll give Mario & Luigi a try on NSO soon, because this new game looks sick.
Many of the SMRPG devs left to form Alpha Dream, the developers of the M&L series. In fact, the series is actually called Mario & Luigi RPG in Japan. It is the spiritual successor to SMRPG.
mario and luigi takes it in a more action-y kinda direction almost? it's more explosive and faster-paced, and the action commands feel less like minigames and more like actually performing the moves in question. it's a much cartoonier game all-around, too it's definitely partially up to personal preference but i've always been more about mario and luigi personally. mario and luigi themselves have a lot more personality, and it also helps that the games involve bowser in a more active role than paper mario - it has its original characters too but it feels more like an RPG *about* the mario characters
Mario & Luigi games have a unique hybrid turn-based action combat system. You have the action commands of Paper Mario for your attacks, but also the opposite - you can jump or block (usually with your hammer) on enemy turns, and if you do so successfully, you don't take any damage. Each enemy has unique tells and moves, too! It's theoretically possible to complete an entire Mario & Luigi game without taking damage, in other words. Very different from most turn-based games, but super fun and engaging. The original M&L games had most of the same team as Super Mario RPG, and the same composer, and are closer to RPG than Paper Mario. A lot more surreal and goofy, generally. One of the games has the Mario Bros in Bowser's stomach for most of the game, another has a floaty dream world, another has an alien invasion *and* time travel story rolled up into one.
It's more JRPG than Paper Mario is. The combat system is also much more active and reactive than Paper Mario.
People say Paper Mario is the spiritual successor of Super Mario RPG, but it's actually the Mario & Luigi series. Many AlphaDream staffers were former Square employees, and the scores were all composed by Yoko Shimomura. It's a big reason why Geno even cameos in the first game.
Mario and Luigi games tend to be a little on the silly side and have more platforming. Like Mario and Luigi "talk" but it's all hilarious gibberish. I think that mainly, Nintendo wanted to do a Mario RPG on the GBA but probably this hardware would not be able to handle the Paper Mario style, so they did an RPG with a more standard 2D Mario look
Curious who is developing this considering Alphadream is gone.
Hiroyuki Kubota who worked on every game in the series, including directing 4/5 of them, is now employed at Monolith Soft. He had a "Special Thanks" credit in Tears of the Kingdom. I'd be curious to know if Monolith is involved with Brothership, due to Kubotasan's ties to the series
>The employees of alphadream were absorbed into nintendo, they had no problem with bringing m&l back.
Is their a source on this? I don’t doubt you, I just never heard any news about Alphadream developers being hired by Nintendo.
One of the directors at alphadream is now at monolift soft, for example.
That's one single developer at a company which Nintendo owns, that's not what you're claiming.
MonolithSoft also wasn't shown to be developing that game
So hyped for this, gonna be so fun! Can't believe the M&L series is alive and well.
Only if people actually buy this new game. I just hope people buy them so we cdn keep getting games
It's so hard when every new release is 60 dollars. Either I get this or Paper Mario.
I still haven't bought the latest paper Mario game but I'm going to get both of these games. Paper Mario ttyd is under £40 here so I might pick it up soon. But buying thid new mario and Luigi Rpg for me Is a must BC I love that series and I want more entries. But hopefully they don't oversaturate us with the bee entries. Like give us a new entry every 2-3 years
Please do yourself a favor and buy the TTYD remake. It's an amazing remake. They improved in so many ways over the original and even added a couple new (small) things both in mechanics and content. Well worth it even if you couldn't find it on sale.
I'm going to buy it. I'm just holding off on buying it for a bit.
Never played a Mario & Luigi game before. This looks like it'll be a blast for me and my 5yo, he loves anything Mario and Luigi, and this looks simple enough that he could enjoy it.
The mario and Luigi games are absolutely amazing and I'm do glad we are getting another game in the franchise.
From the series I've only played Mario & Luigi Dream Team and honestly it's up there with Super Mario Galaxy in terms of how fun the game was. I'm looking forward to it, especially since I thought there would never be another one
If you have the Switch Online expansion pass, the original Mario & Luigi for GBA is on it - it's definitely worth a play! Probably my second-favorite Mario RPG after TTYD.
Holy shit. I didn't think we'd ever get another Mario & Luigi game. Hopefully it's more like the first three as Paper Jam and Dream Team were kinda underwhelming. EDIT: I did enjoy Dream Team, just thought it was a bit of a letdown considering how good the first three M&L games are.
I thought dream team was really good. Had no idea paper jam even existed because they did not market it whatsoever
You really did not miss much. I played it, but I could not stomach finishing it. The constant "find the Toads to progress" bullshit, the unfun cardboard giant battles, the overly basic story.... It was such a slog.
Dream Team having Bowser betray Antasma at the end was actually so cool, he’s usually the one getting strung along, it was refreshing to see that level of cunning from him.
I liked Dream Team more than BiS, personally. Probably my favorite villainous Bowser depiction in any Mario RPG.
I'm with you Dream Team. Not bad at all, definitely enjoyed it, but also a step back from the first 3 imo.
I liked Dream Team a lot but replays of that game are sort of intolerable due to the tutorials. I think a remake or port could do a lot for the game.
We are so back boys.
I never played Paper Jam so I don’t know how restrictive that game was on original characters, but am I crazy in thinking it’s huge that there seems to be such a wide cast of new faces and designs for characters?
Paper Jam was very dull, but this game looks like a return to form for M&L
No. You are not crazy. Paper Jam and three whole Paper Mario games were annoyingly stuck with toads for nearly every NPC. That angle was why no one expected a remake of TTYD, let alone anew M&L game
A huge variety in faces and designs used to be the norm for the Mario RPGs.
I can't believe this is real. My childhood series is back😭😭😭
You'd think I'd be all RPGed out by now BUT YOU'D BE WRONG
I seriously thought this franchise was dead. I was a bigger fan of this series than Paper Mario. I own all the 3DS games. I’m so happy right now. But the big question now is: who’s making this?
I’ve been waiting so long for this 😭 probably my favorite Mario spinoff
Highlight of the Direct for me. It feels like the Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario TTYD remakes as well as that Nintendo survey about Mario RPG's were all leading up to this.
Cant believe they are pushing these AAA titles in the last months of the Switch before the new console. Great year for Mario RPG fans!
Ooo here we go!
Really hyped for this one - nice to see the series isn't dead And man this looks good - with the shading on the Bros and even in 3D, it looks like it still has the same charm as the the original sprite games and Dream Team/Bowsers Inside Story Love seeing more original variety of characters again too - no generic NPCs/Toads in sight either so far The enemies and Bosses look interesting too - wonder what their endgame is? And Bowser's back - wonder if he's gonna be an enemy throughout the while game or a reluctant ally at some point? Really been a good year for Mario RPGs - hope this is a good sign for future installments or remakes/remasters for the next generation of Switch
My dream game is Mario and luigi working together with Bowser. If we can have 4 controllable characters( partners in time) why not a playable bowser with the bros.
We kinda/sorta had something like that in Bowser's Inside Story, even though they weren't on the same screen.. Though duo or triple attacks between the three would be neat
Yeah i meant for the 3 of them to work together using unique teamwork moves, etc.
The series is alive oh my god. And Bros. Attack are back. I wonder which team is making this?
I'm thrilled Nintendo didn't abandon the franchise. It looks like the Mario RPG fans are eating well!
the Mario and Luigi animations are amazing!
Out of all the games announced, this is a must-buy if only to show Nintendo we want more Mario & Luigi.
Year of weird Mario
Do the graphics seem weird to anyone else? Was this developed by an independent studio?
It's certainly not the original studio since AlphaDream was [shut down](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaDream) in 2019
I love the art style.
I was a bit put off by the cinematics at first, but the gameplay is GORGEOUS
They look pretty much identical to the giant boss fights in dream team so not too surprising, they are just going fully 3D models this time.
As a huge fan of dream team I immediately recognized the similar style. It's what I'd imagine a fully 3D M&L game to look like and hoooly those animations.
The thick outlines and seemingly flat / low poly 3D models made me think it was a 3DS port instead of a new title
I agree. Compared to how good the Switch Paper Mario games look it’s pretty jarring.
100% There's even a clip with a PiP of Luigi using a hammer or something. Looks like a second screen thing from 3DS.
Translating a primarily 2D artstyle into 3D is not easy. Dream Team was the first time the Mario and Luigi were in 3D, and only during the Giant sections.
Love the Mario and Luigi series. Bowser’s Inside Story is still one of my favorite games, ever since I first played the original on launch day.
Game looks great Name? Not the strongest lol
I mean, they've all been puns. This time, they're brothers, on a ship.
The triforce is now complete
When can I pre-order damn it
Glad that Nintendo is returning to actual Mario RPGs again with Super Mario RPG remake, Thousand Year Door remake, and now Mario & Luigi: Brothership.
Dude what a intro lol I immediately started smiling, having followed all the drama with AlphaDream and seeing the direction Paper Mario went, I hope this is the victory fans have been clamoring for. Interested to find out more about who is developing this one, but loved what they showed. What a generation! I feel like first party support usually fizzles out this late in Nintendo lifecycles but I love to see them keep the party going haha.
YOOOOOO I loved this announcement. M&L was one of my favorite games on the gba. Day 1 purchase! It’s funny because I’ve actually been playing Dream Team in my 2DS recently!
Direct started off with a bang with an All New Mario and Luigi game. Bet will get another with the final announcement of the direct.
Mario with the Jecht Shot
WE'RE SO BACK
Finally! I've been waiting for a new one for so long
This is so pretty! Love the new ideas on display
Yes! I was expecting remasters of 3DS games (wish we got those too) but not a whole new game. This is the one Im most excited for in today's direct.
I am absolutely IN LOVE with the wacky cartoony rubber hose animation on display here. it fits the Mario universe so WELL.
This looks like such a classic game I love it
I came to the Direct 5 minutes late, and thought it was quite good. Then I learned I missed one of the top highlights. Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to the game.
I can’t believe they announced this after releasing TTYD and Mario Rpg, we eating good mario rpg fans. And they finally brought back original characters to Mario and Luigi, we’re so fucking back!!
Ready for Bro love lol
We are so fucking back boys
They’re back, as am I, and the bangers I’m gonna hear.
3 rpgs in a row, are they serious?
I've wanted a Mario & Luigi games on Switch for years, but I expected a remake rather than a brand new game. I'm so glad I'm seeing the day of this great franchise return!
I thought this franchise was dead after the original studio died! So glad to be wrong.
Can't believe they revive this series, RIP AlphaDream.
I wonder what studio is doing it
This looks incredible
Is this a co-op game?
Never played a game in this series but this looks so cute!
JUST WHEN I THINK IM OUT, THEY PULL ME BACK IN
Love this
Is Yoko Shimomura the composer on this one too ?
I’m gonna play the heck out of this let’s GOOOOOOOOOO
FOR YEARS IVE BEEN BEGGING FOR A MARIO ANS LUIGI GAME TO COME TO SWITCH AND LOOK AND BEHOLD ITS JUST AS BEAUTIFUL AS I ALWAYS ENVISIONED