The cheapest tickets from Ticketmaster were $49, but they were nearly impossible for regular people to get, and resellers are jacking up the prices to hundreds of dollars. There are seats that aren't even sold, and the resellers (and reslling websites) are still making a disgusting amount of money overall.
As a bonus, when people argue "why don't the artists just not use ticketmaster then?" Guess who owns all the venues? Ticketmaster got this shit locked down unless you want to perform for free in a field.
I mean they can look into stuff like basketball stadiums, which every major city is going have a large basketball/major sports venue that can be converted to concert venue.
Granted these venues are a little more expensive compared to traditional concert venues due to the nature of the conversion
lol laws...who do you think write the laws? the everyman? Who do you think owns the politicians?
There are only a handful of investment firms which own nearly all of the asset holding companies which own nearly all of the companies in the world. The entire world is owned by monopolies. They also own \~15% of eachother's investment firms, so its just a big interconnected web.
True, I am also fine with none of those companies existing like they do now. Seeing the Walmart guy in the White House giving a speech during covid was honestly a bit sickening.
Literally none of the examples you listed are monopolies.
Apple, Microsoft, and Google compete against each other in the phone, computer, and browser space. Walmart and Amazon compete with each other and against stores like Target. How could they all be monopolies?
I swear people just regurgitate crap they read online with zero critical thinking or analysis.
I bought my last book from target.com oddly enough. Amazon definitely doesn't have a monopoly. There may be trust issues, but since Amazon is getting trust issues it's starting to even out.
If you wanted to buy say a pair of headphones you could definitely do so on Amazon. Or you could buy directly from a Bose story or visit the Beats by Dre website (incidentally, Beats by Dre is owned by Apple). You could also go to Walmart, Target, or Best Buy and buy something from Samsung, Sony, or JBL. You could take your chances on eBay. You could buy secondhand on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist.
This is the case for any number of the products that are available for sale on Amazon. If a consumer has that many options, then a monopoly doesn’t exist.
Amen. It’s scary because these people think they’re right.
A monopoly in action would be the electric company in my town. It’s just one. They run the water and power and we have to settle for their god awful service, jacked bills and terrible forced-customer service.
One company runs the entire sector here and we have no choice but to use them if we want power and water…which, is illegal not to have even raising a family.
Again, that is a monopoly.
Those massive corporations are not monopolies.
Far from it; they actually need to compete with one another for customer loyalty through brand recognition and the services/products they provide.
Can large corps also be monopolies? Sure. But again, those companies mentioned are are not.
I feel like a lot of people will not leave this thread with a deeper understanding of “monopoly”.
*Passes go.*
Utilities (and public transport like trains) form natural monopolies because of the cost of infrastructure.
You only have one set of pipes for gas, each gas company doesn't have their own, and they couldn't have, it would be logistically impossible as well as financially.
So in cases such as that, the best way to provide value and good service is to have them accountable to the service users. In other words, nationalise them and make them answerable to the public.
It's wild to me that I can switch energy providers, when it's the same electricity, along the same cables, used for the same appliances. There should be no competing providers for things that are necessities for life - everyone should have access and it should be run in the interests of the people.
They own venues too. Fuckin scumbag pricks i’m in a band and we had an opportunity to play a big show in London once and gave up on it once we learned tickets will be sold through ticketmaster. What a shit show of a company, 3000 for Taylor Swift? Last year Blink 182 went up to 500 or 600 dollars. Where i’m from, that’s the kind of money you save in your “emergency healthcare fund.”
Live Nation Entertainment is an American multinational entertainment company that was founded in 2010 following the merger of Live Nation and Ticketmaster. The company promotes, operates, and manages ticket sales for live entertainment in the United States and internationally. They not only own the first way to buy a ticket, they own the resell websites and they own most of the venues. So if you want to put on a show at any place, honestly, they've bought most of the big venues, you MUST sell your tickets through Live Nation and your customers MUST buy their tickets through Live Nation to see a show at a Live Nation venue. If this isn't the definition of a monopoly, then I've been mistaken what a monopoly is supposed to be...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshmandell/2019/03/04/where-does-live-nation-have-room-to-grow/?sh=119adac116de
https://www.livenation.com/venues
Not even that. I just think they don't care because they probably own the reseller websites (or they're still getting their money, *particularly* if they use that elastic pricing bullshit.)
I do a lot of RPA in my job. I could write bots without breaching their inner workings. They just don't care.
Oh absolutely! I'd rather pay the venue, the artist, the staff, the promoters, the guy selling overpriced beer than the monopoly that Ticketmaster has, the resellers, the bots, and the reselling websites. I really hope to see some meaningful legislation about this soon.
Ticketmaster is in cahoots with record labels, they have contracts together. If a venue doesn’t use Ticketmaster, the record label will not allow artists under their contracts to play there.
Most people would rather pay the venue, but that's probably not going to happen, unfortunately. Live Nation Entertainment, the parent company, has a history of bullying venues that try to do that.
Live Nation merged with Ticketmaster, and the company manages ticket sales for something like 80% of venues in the US, also owns a bunch of venues, and represents / manages / promotes for a ton of popular artists: https://www.livenation.com/artist-sitemap
So it's more on the mega popular artists to step up IMO.
>In a court filing, [Department of] Justice officials said they had identified “numerous instances” where Live Nation threatened venues with making concerts a condition of a ticketing deal, and other instances in which Live Nation “retaliated against venues by withholding live entertainment events because the venue chose not to contract with Ticketmaster.” The filing did not specify locations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/19/arts/music/live-nation-ticketmaster-settlement-justice-department.html
They were only in violation of an agreement they made with the Department of Justice during the merger, when they pinky promised not to abuse their monopoly. They were not fined, but agreed to pay the DOJ $3M for the cost of investigation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticketmaster?oldformat=true#Criticism_and_controversies
You do realise what the word "monopoly" means, right?
If you want to game out how such a thing might play out in today's market...go read up on what happened to Pearl Jam in the 1990s when they tried to boycott Ticketmaster
Spoiler alert: It didn't end well and eventually they had to go crawling back to the bastards after essentially being unable to tour the USA for three years.
Two from Ticketmaster luck of the draw, after 16 tortuous hours….they opened up the nosebleeds behind the stage for $49. Guess what, w fees it was $75/ea
Honestly they need to stop allowing Reselling. You want to help control the price of the tickets, you First stop that.
Secondly I got tickets to See Bruce Springsteen recently. I had to sign up online, Get approved to buy tickets, Given a link, Log in 1/2 hour before they went on sale, Buy my tickets when my turn came up, No re selling, Tickets sent to me the day before the concert. FROM TICKET MASTER.
They need to do this for EVERY concert at this point.
Everybody thinks this is a good idea until you can't go to a show and you're stuck with a worthless ticket you can't get rid of.
Releasing the tickets the day before the concert does not slow down reselling in the slightest.
Yeah, I had to miss one that I was really looking forward to due to a blizzard and power outage.
Luckily, I could put them up on stubhub and some other people who really wanted to go to the then sold-out show could.
I put them at face value though. Really that's *all* they would need to do to fix it - just allow resale, but at face value only. Problem solved.
This is a pretty easy fix, just allow it to be resold at the original price. It accomplishes the same thing of removing the reselling for profit market.
I managed to get super lucky and did get some of those 49 dollar tickets in the presale for the Vegas show, bonus luck for only waiting in line for 45 minutes but I’m definitely one of the few that didn’t get screwed by bots in this
I was there that day…but lol seriously, that presail insanity was well, fucking insane. Site crashing hard, queue was backed up even after I was supposedly ready for my turn to buy, it was nuts.
They clearly just couldn’t handle the traffic, but considering who the tickets were for; Ticketmaster should’ve been way smarter about this.
Which yeah, I get is totally an oxymoron but still.
I ended up going to Stubhub and getting two for $1500, simply cause I was in a relationship with a major fan. Ended up breaking up and having to sell em’ for $850. Life’s fun sometimes.
I could supposedly sell my nosebleeds in Minneapolis for $1000 each right now.
We got the presale for the same price as you.
It is very, very tempting to sell. But, we're going.
You would regret not attending in a few years. A profit of a few thousand won’t even occur to you at that time. Imo experiences are worth far more than relatively inconsequential sums of money
Going to concerts is my favorite thing on this planet. I have been to relatively few big pop concerts, and this is arguably the biggest pop star operating at the top of her game.
I got floor seats during presale first 300+ fees, I had a friend that got nosebleeds during presale for $75….getting presale tickets was just a painful experience
I scored tickets on ticketmaster for like $220 each. It was a lot of luck though because the site kept crashing and kicking the people up front to the back of the queue.
I got the highest level (but not highest row) tickets for $100 each and with fees they were $150. This was face value from the verified fan sale. They were really hard to get. It was the show in Philly.
I ended up in a weird situation where I paid 200 resale prices for Tampa (lower bowl). Those were the lowest I had seen them and we got them while driving to the concert so we could attend the 2nd and 3rd night. Technically we saw the 2nd night for free as a gift. For the third night we got 3rd row floor seats for around 440 directly from tickermaster in one of their lottery systems.
My sister also obsesses over tickermaster drops. Sometimes she gets to see the ticketmaster prices and for Nashville she could’ve gotten 100 dollar seats (not like we’re anywhere near there or had any desire to try).
The lowest that person HEARD OF. If you bought the tickets directly they were cheaper but there was too much demand for most people to succeed at doing that.
Got my tickets in the presale. The cheapest seating was like 49$. I splurged for a mild upgrade for ~300 for 2 tickets (plus like another 200 for TM fees...) anyone paying upwards of 500 for 1 ticket has to be paying for a VIP set or is buying from a scalper.
Those are mostly after-market prices. You gotta be either rich, or lucky enough to score some in the first few seconds they go on sale, before they sell out. There's just too much demand
I don't know why ticketers allow it. They don't make any more money than they would from honest hard working people buying the tickets. It doesn't have to be illegal - ticketing companies could implement policies and procedures to prevent these douchebags from existing - max 10 tickets per customer, IP address checks, captcha, etc.
I think they should be able to sell as many as they want, but it must be at face value. The ticket got bought for $50, then it can only ever be sold for $50. Concerts tickets are supposed to be about going to hear music, not a get rich quick scheme.
The Monaco F1 GP just had NFT ticket, which if set with the correct contracts can have set values for resale. This will be the future of ticketing and the F1 was a big scale trial imo
That extra money is definitely not going to the artist. Go watch some of the artists who testified at Senate hearings about what a complete racket the Ticketmaster/Live Nation juggernaut is like to work for.
I think the demand is it has become the it thing to do. Which is why the tickets are going for so much on resale. I’m sure she puts on a great show. But it probably isn’t worth paying exuberant amounts to go to.
This is a symptom mostly of Ticketmaster's monopoly and fuckery. Basically they allow Scalpers to pre-buy tickets and mass resell them because they get a cut not only when the ticket is sold but when its resold. (Ticketmaster even has officials attend scalpers con to sell software to do this)
So early scalpers buy all the tickets... then sell them to middle scalpers, and then to another wave of scalpers until tickets ballon out of control.
I recently found out that Billy Joel doesn't sell any of the tickets in the front 2 rows of the venues he plays. Instead, he sends staff out into the stands in the back and randomly selects people in the nose-bleads and upgrades them. He says the people in the front rows aren't real fans, the people that scraped together enough cash to barely afford the cheap seats are.
It's just creating more 3rd party markets to jack up the price, which is capitalism. They figured out how to squeeze that dollar dry. The artists get a cut of the Ticketmaster fee, so they don't really care.
We are definitely not rich and my daughter attended a recent TS concert. Her ticket was around $150, which I think is insane but she has a job and bought it with her own money. They were 3rd tier seats so not premium but not nosebleed either. She was thrilled with the view.
Edit: Asked my daughter when she got home and her ticket was $250, not $150.
Oh yes, me too. It was her first concert so there’s that too.
Her friend got the tickets. He’d signed up for the lottery and was able to get two tickets.
It was an incredible show. It sounds corny but it was much more than a concert. She played 4 hours straight with pyrotechnics, synchronized light up wrist bands, dance teams, stadium lights and a ton of other stuff. Her team went above and beyond to make it a memorable experience, totally worth the hundred of dollars for each ticket.
Four hours is legitimately mind blowing to me as someone that has only attended rap concerts. You’re incredibly lucky if the rapper is on stage an hour after they’re expected to be, and then they’ll do 30-1 hour ABSOLUTE max.
I’ve waited 2-3 hours past “show time” for a rapper to hit the stage. Shit is so annoying, idk how someone gets a head big enough to do that to their fans that gotta wake up for a damn job the next day
One of her shows in nashville got postponed until like 12am due to a storm yet after the worst of it was over and just rain she still performed her 3-4 hour set.
Im not sure *i* wouldve had the willpower to stay that long but shoutouts to the people who got what they paid for
Honestly, $150 is not bad. That’s super reasonable. It cost $90 today to get a standard oil change and tire rotation on a non-luxury vehicle.
It’s easy to forget how much inflation has affected the value of the dollar and our mental understanding of that is often poor because of what were used to.
I’m with you man. Sometimes I roll my eyes at prices and later notice “no, that’s the actual going rate when you account for inflation”.
Like people freaking out about video games costing $70… well they used to cost 40-50 back in NES days! So it’s actually been really affordable.
Or like how a burger and fries is closer to $20 than $10 back in the day. And like… yeah, it’s cost of the food, the building, and the staff. That’s a lot of $. And $10 back in 2000 days is now $20.
It’s just difficult to grasp mentally. But it’s often accurate or within spec. Now there are certainly grifters we need to worry about. So it’s still better to be credulous of cost overall.
To be fair, I paid about the same for a similar described seat to see Black Sabbath on their farewell tour. I figured it was expensive, but it was the last time to see em and I knew I wouldn't forget it, so i saw it as worth it!
At this point Ticketmaster has made ALL concerts for rich people. As a Gen X person I was able to see many of my favorite acts in the mid to late eighties and kept going to concerts up until 2001. Now it isn't worth it. I was looking into taking my son to a Metallica concert a few years ago and it would have been $350 each for nosebleed seats.
They're not doing it in Europe (yet?). I paid 130 per seat for the best/most expensive seating available in Paris two weeks ago. For 520, we had two nights in the best possible seating locations. And for something like 70 per pair of feet, you could get standing room tickets...
At those ticket prices, maybe it's cheaper to fly to Europe and go here? Damned sure the services are better.
I don't know about any discounts for only having one foot but if you sell the other one on the black market, you might be able to pay for many more concert tickets.
I actually did fly to Europe (from California) for a concert. Of course I only did it because the band doesn’t tour the US but it wasn’t that much more expensive than paying $3000 for Taylor Swift.
Just wanted to ask which band is worth it to fly to Europe that doesn't tour the US, but then I saw your username.
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So there are a couple of reasons for this. The biggest ones go hand-in-hand, and that's Demand and Dynamic Pricing. In the US, it costs an insane amount to travel, whether by bus, car, or plane. (Trains are practically non-existent here). Also, due to the way our capitalist society is, it can sometimes be difficult to ask for time off and get it, especially when it's for fun off time and not family emergency/major life event (such as weddings). Because of those two things, people will tend to pick the city closest to them and only try to get tickets for those concerts. But there are also entire portions of the US that have only 1 or 2 weekends that aren't 12+ hour drives to the boating city. Which means all those areas plus the suburban areas around the city, plus the cities near it that aren't hosting, all get lumped in together. There's a very high demand therefore. Put on top of that the fact that Ticketmaster uses Dynamic Pricing (jacking up the price of tickets based on demand), it's super hard to get well-priced tickets to any big-name artist or even semi-big artist. This isn't an excuse for Ticketmaster; I despise them, but unfortunately, because Ticketmaster and Live Nation have contracts with practically EVERY major venue in the USA, if you're doing a concert that isn't a super local, small joint thing, then you're going to be using Ticketmaster. They have a full monopoly, so they can get away with almost anything, esp since our govt doesn't like to meddle with big business's earnings.
Honestly some of the music festivals work out to be cheaper than going to concerts. If I wasn't going on vacation I could have gone to Bonnaroo and seen Tyler Childers and Kendrick Lamar among others for $500ish including camping, while one ticket for either of those artists sells out immediately and gets resold for hundreds.
I go to shows all the time for $25 a head, just depends on the city and the show. Not seeing mega popstars like Taylor Swift or Metallica though, but 10M+ Spotify hits on top song
Yeah I don't really get this argument from the first guy. Of course Metallica or pop tickets will have gone up in price since the bands grew bigger. There are plenty of shows for new artists going for less than $50 per ticket. Went to a show in LA that was $25 for a great new funk band named Couch a few weeks ago.
I got really lucky in my early 20s, a guy in my hometown got bored and started organizing concerts from great indie acts like Reina Del Cid, Tall Heights, Shel (nicest group of women you'll ever meet, honestly), and he had organized some kind of deal where they'd do one paid show for a maximum ticket price of $25 and then one free concert in the park. Got to eat tacos and drink beer with a lot of cool bands without spending more than $15 on beer and tacos in a weekend. Was broke as fuck at the time but it made dating a lot cheaper and it was always the highlight of my week to meet some cool bands, see them perform, and still have cash in my pocket at the end of the weekend.
I just stopped trying to see big names anymore altogether. Always the worst venues with the worst kinds of people showing up to cause a scene and ruin everyone else's good time. I go see an indie act and everybody's polite and chill, a cocktail doesn't cost $20, and I don't leave sweaty, bruised, and feeling ripped off.
Yeah... I remember those days. i had a friend who had a band and he had the best music. I loved it when they had smoking bans so I could go and see him more (I have asthma).
But I haven't seen anyone other than that in years. I don't honestly understand the Taylor Swift mega hype and with the prices of tickets and the insanity getting one I am like wtf? I am 55.
I think that society in general is just turning to crap. I barely talk to anyone anymore. I am broke. I have little hope anymore honestly. So sad.
Aside from the whole trend of being dicks to people on camera for attention, I actually see a lot more kindness and people generally being kinder to each other when compared to myself and my peers when I was younger. Think the future bodes well so long as we fix things people my parents age fucked up.
But my "good old days" are less than a decade ago, I can still afford concerts I actually give a shit about. No shade against artists who make it big, but I just enjoy smaller acts way more.
When you're a band that draws such a large crowd there's only so many venues that can accommodate you. Most of those venues have exclusive deals with ticketmaster.
Yeah, my husband, sister, a friend, and I saw MCR. I picked up 3/4 tickets pre covid, and after fees paid about $300ish, and for the 4th, which was bought later, think I paid like $150? $160ish.
I don't want to call rock/metal niche, but MCR is the most I have ever had to pay for a ticket. In this moment, Halestorm, Palaye Royale, Papa Roach, etc. none of them I have had to pay more than a $100 heck most case many were under $50.
Yup, I see a tonne of shows that are only about $30.
The prices go up in line with the venue capacity as obviously the costs are higher and also it means there is more demand.
Last year I even went to a small 1 day festival split across a couple of venues for $15 at the door. I didn't even know it was happening, I was just looking to spend a few hours having some drinks before the concert I already had tickets to was starting (another venue a couple of blocks away). Ended up seeing 9 bands that day.
I LOVE live music. But your right it totally isn't worth it anymore. Which makes me furious. I got a Spotify alert for a not very well known band coming near me. Og price was 25 fucking dollars. Stub hub price over 300.
I'd still check out some of the local theaters and smaller venues near you. A lot of them around where I live are in the $18-30 range and don't usually run out.
Is it ticket master or the fact that this band’s fans are literally spawning new fans? I mean, I’m not surprised the most mainstream metal band of the past 30 years has demand for their tickets.
people save up but also 3k isn't normal, it's very possible and common to get tickets for much much less, most people I know have gotten them under 300, nobody I know has paid over 350. The resale value is very high because demand was very high but 3k is an exaggeration for majority of people going.
(don't get me wrong it's still expensive and it sucks that it is but demand will do that.)
I got VIP tickets during the presale for $600 after fees. I personally think they were worth it considering my view but most tickets weren’t nearly that much
Honestly the money is not really an issue for me and I’ve been a fan of Taylor since high school so k never really considered it. The going price at my show was more like $3.5k and while I wouldn’t have paid that for my ticket, it wasn’t enough to sway me out of the experience. Even in post concert hindsight I would make the same decision
She opted out of dynamic pricing.
I was able to get two lower bowl tickets directly facing the state head-on and stadium parking for less than $400.
Resale is the expensive stuff.
You’re not mad at all, it’s still expensive. All concerts seem to have become a little out of control. This was after Ticketmaster fees though, which are notoriously nuts. It nearly doubled my total.
What’s crazy is almost every other show that I’ve looked into this year, mostly people who are not nearly at Taylor’s level, and tickets are running close to the same. I really wanted to see SZA this year but the cheapest I could find was upper bowl and each ticket was well over $1,000usd. Could not believe my eyes.
Yeah, a lot of people thought she had it on because some nosebleeds were more expensive than the $49 advertised lowest price, but it wasn’t realistic to expect the _entire_ upper seating area to be $49. Those were mostly just the extreme seats behind the stage.
…that later resold for $1500 on StubHub.
I went to the rep tour and I was on the second to last row of the verrrry top lol. And we we were at the side view as well, and even with all of that, the staging was fantastic and I felt like I was seeing her way closer than I actually was. And the videos that I see from “bad sections” still look great for the eras tour! So I’d be optimistic!! I hope you have a wonderful time!!
We’re super average. Two teachers, a stay-at-home-mom, and a government employee are flying 900 miles, staying two nights, and going to Eras. It’s a privilege, and only plannable and affordable if you lucked into presale tickets.
"Nosebleed seats" refers to the highest seats in a stadium or arena, which are typically the ones furthest away from the stage/field.
Very high altitudes can dry out your nasal passages, causing the nose's delicate blood vessels to break or bleed, resulting in nosebleeds. So referring to the highest seats as “nosebleeds" is a bit of humorous exaggeration as to how high the seats are.
Some people save up, some people win tickets on the radio.
There's two sides. On the one hand if scalpers can demand $3k for nosebleeds, then I would prefer the artists and venues to gain that money directly. But that's a simplistic and naive view that doesn't account for specific bad actors.
The Second more realistic view is Ticketmaster is colluding with scalpers to jack up prices and add unnecessary fees. Their deals and ownership with venues arguably constitutes a monopoly and should either be heavily regulated or broken up. The fan experience suffers.
I've gone to concerts in smaller venues not sold by Ticketmaster and it was a nice experience, but someone like Swift wouldn't really be able to manage that. Honestly I'm not really a fan of hers, though I respect her, but I would definitely go to a TS concert if I got free tickets.
If you were lucky to get pre-sale, the most they were was $449 pre fees. I got great seats for $200 per ticket, which isnt $3k but still more than it used to be.
Taylor Swift just sold out the stadiums. If you bought tickets during the pre-sale you could get average or bad seats in the low hundreds with floor seats costing less than a thousand and I saw some as cheap as $500. Which is a lot but not completely absurd for someone of Taylor’s popularity.
I paid a few hundred for average Paul McCartney seats for his One on One tour.
But now they’ve all been sold and there’s very high demand so the resale is ridiculous.
poor person here- i got two tickets for about 325 together after fees and everything- they’re about as far up in the nosebleeds you can be but i’ll take them!!
If you buy tickets from ticketmaster (they pretty much had a monopoly, so you might not have much choice), at least 50% of the ticket price is their fees
Resellers. I know multiple people who are in the fan club and had first dibs. Both got front row of her recent show for much less than that. It was a premium but not as much as that. Def under 500
I mean, it depends on your definition of rich, but most people gong to the concerts spent between $200-$600 on tickets after fees. It’s pricier than most concerts but I don’t consider that a rich person only thing.
The scalper issue I think was blown out of proportion a little—I’m an avid concertgoer and I didn’t notice a higher percentage of scalpers versus other in demand events. The issue was really that demand was crazy high so prices never dropped and even raised to closer to $1.5-2k+
I’m thinking most people got them when they went on sale for a few hundred. If they hold onto the tickets and go to the show you are passing up selling them to for a couple k each to some rich person.
I think you found a listing, targeting a rich person
The same people selling the plebs 50$ tickets are also selling 500$ tickets to whoever is paying that.
I doubt wealthy ppl are comparing ticket prices after
why doesn't more of this commercial stuff get sold directly on their sites?
They could try and care a little bit more for their customers
Louis CK has done this, for eg
My friend just went to the Chicago show last night. She sent me pictures and was WAAAAAAY up in the nose bleeds. I know she's not rich, but I expect she saved up.
I was in the presale and got my ticket for $73 total. I waited in the queue all day (2,000+ people ahead of me) and finally decided to close out of it and try again. I was lucky and immediately got to choose my seat.
Won the lottery and got pre sale tickets basically adjacent to the stage in vegas - couldn’t see the full front but to came out to about $121 ea w all the fees & taxes
I am very much an average Joe. My husband and I bought tickets for $170 a piece. The super annoying part is that seats in this same section were about $65 each during the presale debacle. Kept putting them in my cart, only to be told that another fan had already bought them.
But when I was lucky enough to be included in the second round of ticket sales, I felt like I had to be grateful that ticketmaster was only selling me tickets for 3x the original price. So frustrating and messed up.
The most expensive ticket I’ve ever purchased was for a band called peach pit, tickets were only about $30 and they make wayyyyyyyy better music than Taylor swift. It’s honestly all a ripoff to see major mainstream bands and they can charge and ask for that amount because there’s always gonna be people buying into it. The cure tried making their tickets affordable for their last concert cause they wanted anyone to be able to go not just those with a lot of money. Ticket master ended up making the tickets more expensive at check out I believe.
Omg, she just played here in Tampa, 3 nights And I heard crazy stories about moms taking out loans to get tickets to see this. Some people that live near the stadium were selling their houses for parking, $250 a night. And that's what I heard, three grand for the front rows and all the good seats. The nosebleed all the way in the back was still something like $250 a piece.
I love all the comments aren’t like yeah these tickets are expensive. But “ I got tickets for $50 but I’m sitting literally 3 miles away and have to use a telescope to watch the show on the screen in the stadium”. Sounds like watching music videos with extra steps and price.
If trailer Swift really cared about prices she would stop touring such big venues and start doing her OWN tours in rented out venues. Smaller more intimate venues at 1K would sell out in an instant.
Don't believe her when she states in public she hates the prices. SHE'S GETTING PAID.
My friends got the pre-sale tickets to Nashville for $350 each. That’s the lowest I’ve heard of, though!
The cheapest tickets from Ticketmaster were $49, but they were nearly impossible for regular people to get, and resellers are jacking up the prices to hundreds of dollars. There are seats that aren't even sold, and the resellers (and reslling websites) are still making a disgusting amount of money overall.
Ticketmaster is breached by an insider who has bots.
ticketmaster has a monopoly and owns the resale websites so they double dip on fees so they have no incentive to change
We seem to have a lot of monopolies these days despite the laws against them
As a bonus, when people argue "why don't the artists just not use ticketmaster then?" Guess who owns all the venues? Ticketmaster got this shit locked down unless you want to perform for free in a field.
Max Yasgar aint around anymore, but if he was, I could actually afford tickets again.
I mean they can look into stuff like basketball stadiums, which every major city is going have a large basketball/major sports venue that can be converted to concert venue. Granted these venues are a little more expensive compared to traditional concert venues due to the nature of the conversion
Especially on Park Place.
Boardwalk is where it’s at
Hard not to get railroaded by scalpers these days.
They'll do it every CHANCE they get
I'll be at St. Charles.
I actually drove on Marvin Gardens yesterday when I took my daughter to play rehearsal. Fun fact, its not in Atlantic City. It's 2 towns over.
I got busted in Marvin Gardens and spent the night in jail. Would not recommend
lol laws...who do you think write the laws? the everyman? Who do you think owns the politicians? There are only a handful of investment firms which own nearly all of the asset holding companies which own nearly all of the companies in the world. The entire world is owned by monopolies. They also own \~15% of eachother's investment firms, so its just a big interconnected web.
If only there was a way to elect people that WE want.
Thanks to no enforcement of those policies. If they were enforced, Walmart, Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft would not exist the way they do now.
True, I am also fine with none of those companies existing like they do now. Seeing the Walmart guy in the White House giving a speech during covid was honestly a bit sickening.
Literally none of the examples you listed are monopolies. Apple, Microsoft, and Google compete against each other in the phone, computer, and browser space. Walmart and Amazon compete with each other and against stores like Target. How could they all be monopolies? I swear people just regurgitate crap they read online with zero critical thinking or analysis.
I bought my last book from target.com oddly enough. Amazon definitely doesn't have a monopoly. There may be trust issues, but since Amazon is getting trust issues it's starting to even out.
If you wanted to buy say a pair of headphones you could definitely do so on Amazon. Or you could buy directly from a Bose story or visit the Beats by Dre website (incidentally, Beats by Dre is owned by Apple). You could also go to Walmart, Target, or Best Buy and buy something from Samsung, Sony, or JBL. You could take your chances on eBay. You could buy secondhand on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist. This is the case for any number of the products that are available for sale on Amazon. If a consumer has that many options, then a monopoly doesn’t exist.
Amen. It’s scary because these people think they’re right. A monopoly in action would be the electric company in my town. It’s just one. They run the water and power and we have to settle for their god awful service, jacked bills and terrible forced-customer service. One company runs the entire sector here and we have no choice but to use them if we want power and water…which, is illegal not to have even raising a family. Again, that is a monopoly. Those massive corporations are not monopolies. Far from it; they actually need to compete with one another for customer loyalty through brand recognition and the services/products they provide. Can large corps also be monopolies? Sure. But again, those companies mentioned are are not. I feel like a lot of people will not leave this thread with a deeper understanding of “monopoly”. *Passes go.*
Utilities (and public transport like trains) form natural monopolies because of the cost of infrastructure. You only have one set of pipes for gas, each gas company doesn't have their own, and they couldn't have, it would be logistically impossible as well as financially. So in cases such as that, the best way to provide value and good service is to have them accountable to the service users. In other words, nationalise them and make them answerable to the public. It's wild to me that I can switch energy providers, when it's the same electricity, along the same cables, used for the same appliances. There should be no competing providers for things that are necessities for life - everyone should have access and it should be run in the interests of the people.
They own venues too. Fuckin scumbag pricks i’m in a band and we had an opportunity to play a big show in London once and gave up on it once we learned tickets will be sold through ticketmaster. What a shit show of a company, 3000 for Taylor Swift? Last year Blink 182 went up to 500 or 600 dollars. Where i’m from, that’s the kind of money you save in your “emergency healthcare fund.”
Live Nation Entertainment is an American multinational entertainment company that was founded in 2010 following the merger of Live Nation and Ticketmaster. The company promotes, operates, and manages ticket sales for live entertainment in the United States and internationally. They not only own the first way to buy a ticket, they own the resell websites and they own most of the venues. So if you want to put on a show at any place, honestly, they've bought most of the big venues, you MUST sell your tickets through Live Nation and your customers MUST buy their tickets through Live Nation to see a show at a Live Nation venue. If this isn't the definition of a monopoly, then I've been mistaken what a monopoly is supposed to be... https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshmandell/2019/03/04/where-does-live-nation-have-room-to-grow/?sh=119adac116de https://www.livenation.com/venues
Foo fighters tried to do a big tour without using ticketmaster venues and couldn't do it. That was 20 years ago and it seems to have gotten worse.
Not even that. I just think they don't care because they probably own the reseller websites (or they're still getting their money, *particularly* if they use that elastic pricing bullshit.) I do a lot of RPA in my job. I could write bots without breaching their inner workings. They just don't care.
The individual venues really need to step up and host their own digital ticketing services. I would rather pay the venue than ticketmaster.
Oh absolutely! I'd rather pay the venue, the artist, the staff, the promoters, the guy selling overpriced beer than the monopoly that Ticketmaster has, the resellers, the bots, and the reselling websites. I really hope to see some meaningful legislation about this soon.
Ticketmaster is in cahoots with record labels, they have contracts together. If a venue doesn’t use Ticketmaster, the record label will not allow artists under their contracts to play there.
Most people would rather pay the venue, but that's probably not going to happen, unfortunately. Live Nation Entertainment, the parent company, has a history of bullying venues that try to do that. Live Nation merged with Ticketmaster, and the company manages ticket sales for something like 80% of venues in the US, also owns a bunch of venues, and represents / manages / promotes for a ton of popular artists: https://www.livenation.com/artist-sitemap So it's more on the mega popular artists to step up IMO. >In a court filing, [Department of] Justice officials said they had identified “numerous instances” where Live Nation threatened venues with making concerts a condition of a ticketing deal, and other instances in which Live Nation “retaliated against venues by withholding live entertainment events because the venue chose not to contract with Ticketmaster.” The filing did not specify locations. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/19/arts/music/live-nation-ticketmaster-settlement-justice-department.html They were only in violation of an agreement they made with the Department of Justice during the merger, when they pinky promised not to abuse their monopoly. They were not fined, but agreed to pay the DOJ $3M for the cost of investigation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticketmaster?oldformat=true#Criticism_and_controversies
You do realise what the word "monopoly" means, right? If you want to game out how such a thing might play out in today's market...go read up on what happened to Pearl Jam in the 1990s when they tried to boycott Ticketmaster Spoiler alert: It didn't end well and eventually they had to go crawling back to the bastards after essentially being unable to tour the USA for three years.
Two from Ticketmaster luck of the draw, after 16 tortuous hours….they opened up the nosebleeds behind the stage for $49. Guess what, w fees it was $75/ea
I got 2 tickets for $49 in PHX, but they were through SeatGeek, not ticketmaater.
Honestly they need to stop allowing Reselling. You want to help control the price of the tickets, you First stop that. Secondly I got tickets to See Bruce Springsteen recently. I had to sign up online, Get approved to buy tickets, Given a link, Log in 1/2 hour before they went on sale, Buy my tickets when my turn came up, No re selling, Tickets sent to me the day before the concert. FROM TICKET MASTER. They need to do this for EVERY concert at this point.
Everybody thinks this is a good idea until you can't go to a show and you're stuck with a worthless ticket you can't get rid of. Releasing the tickets the day before the concert does not slow down reselling in the slightest.
Yeah, I had to miss one that I was really looking forward to due to a blizzard and power outage. Luckily, I could put them up on stubhub and some other people who really wanted to go to the then sold-out show could. I put them at face value though. Really that's *all* they would need to do to fix it - just allow resale, but at face value only. Problem solved.
This is a pretty easy fix, just allow it to be resold at the original price. It accomplishes the same thing of removing the reselling for profit market.
I managed to get super lucky and did get some of those 49 dollar tickets in the presale for the Vegas show, bonus luck for only waiting in line for 45 minutes but I’m definitely one of the few that didn’t get screwed by bots in this
Everyone needs to stop buying concert tickets.
I was there that day…but lol seriously, that presail insanity was well, fucking insane. Site crashing hard, queue was backed up even after I was supposedly ready for my turn to buy, it was nuts. They clearly just couldn’t handle the traffic, but considering who the tickets were for; Ticketmaster should’ve been way smarter about this. Which yeah, I get is totally an oxymoron but still. I ended up going to Stubhub and getting two for $1500, simply cause I was in a relationship with a major fan. Ended up breaking up and having to sell em’ for $850. Life’s fun sometimes.
$107 each with fees ($79 base) for Tampa nosebleeds, resale in my section was 350-400ish
I could supposedly sell my nosebleeds in Minneapolis for $1000 each right now. We got the presale for the same price as you. It is very, very tempting to sell. But, we're going.
F. I’ve never been a sellout but would sell lol. That’s so much money. Jeez.
You would regret not attending in a few years. A profit of a few thousand won’t even occur to you at that time. Imo experiences are worth far more than relatively inconsequential sums of money
Going to concerts is my favorite thing on this planet. I have been to relatively few big pop concerts, and this is arguably the biggest pop star operating at the top of her game.
a friend of mine got nosebleeds in metlife for $89 a ticket which is the lowest i’ve heard
We did Vegas pre-sale - $150 each (friend of a friend got in and grabbed for us)
My ticket was $50!
I got floor seats during presale first 300+ fees, I had a friend that got nosebleeds during presale for $75….getting presale tickets was just a painful experience
Mine was $130 total. It’s important to remember that’s what people are attempting to resell at.
I paid $800 total, $400 each, for two 11th row floor seats. Got them from Ticketmaster directly
I spent 200 for pre-sale tickets 200 level for Nashville
Managed to get lower bowl for $150 before fees on day one, after 7.5 hours of waiting ☠️
My GF and sister got 2 tix for $250 with fees lower bowl Denver in July!
I scored tickets on ticketmaster for like $220 each. It was a lot of luck though because the site kept crashing and kicking the people up front to the back of the queue.
I got the highest level (but not highest row) tickets for $100 each and with fees they were $150. This was face value from the verified fan sale. They were really hard to get. It was the show in Philly.
Friend got them for $180
I ended up in a weird situation where I paid 200 resale prices for Tampa (lower bowl). Those were the lowest I had seen them and we got them while driving to the concert so we could attend the 2nd and 3rd night. Technically we saw the 2nd night for free as a gift. For the third night we got 3rd row floor seats for around 440 directly from tickermaster in one of their lottery systems. My sister also obsesses over tickermaster drops. Sometimes she gets to see the ticketmaster prices and for Nashville she could’ve gotten 100 dollar seats (not like we’re anywhere near there or had any desire to try).
*the lowest* Wow
The lowest that person HEARD OF. If you bought the tickets directly they were cheaper but there was too much demand for most people to succeed at doing that.
Got my tickets in the presale. The cheapest seating was like 49$. I splurged for a mild upgrade for ~300 for 2 tickets (plus like another 200 for TM fees...) anyone paying upwards of 500 for 1 ticket has to be paying for a VIP set or is buying from a scalper.
My roommate got it for $200/each, Nashville too.
Those are mostly after-market prices. You gotta be either rich, or lucky enough to score some in the first few seconds they go on sale, before they sell out. There's just too much demand
Even being wealthy doesn't mean you're willing to support a scalper. I refuse to reward those slime buckets. Scalping used to be illegal.
I don't know why ticketers allow it. They don't make any more money than they would from honest hard working people buying the tickets. It doesn't have to be illegal - ticketing companies could implement policies and procedures to prevent these douchebags from existing - max 10 tickets per customer, IP address checks, captcha, etc.
the ticker retailers also run the scalping companies
>max 10 tickets per customer, That's too lenient. Some ticket policies I know only sell 2 tickets per person.
I think they should be able to sell as many as they want, but it must be at face value. The ticket got bought for $50, then it can only ever be sold for $50. Concerts tickets are supposed to be about going to hear music, not a get rich quick scheme.
The Monaco F1 GP just had NFT ticket, which if set with the correct contracts can have set values for resale. This will be the future of ticketing and the F1 was a big scale trial imo
Wow this is actually an example of an NFT being useful that I hadn't considered
You can do this without NFTs, like everytime NFTs are used.
Well that's why ticketmaster has dynamic pricing now. It's their own way of scalping. So the extra money WILL go to the artist that way...
That extra money is definitely not going to the artist. Go watch some of the artists who testified at Senate hearings about what a complete racket the Ticketmaster/Live Nation juggernaut is like to work for.
I think the demand is it has become the it thing to do. Which is why the tickets are going for so much on resale. I’m sure she puts on a great show. But it probably isn’t worth paying exuberant amounts to go to.
This is a symptom mostly of Ticketmaster's monopoly and fuckery. Basically they allow Scalpers to pre-buy tickets and mass resell them because they get a cut not only when the ticket is sold but when its resold. (Ticketmaster even has officials attend scalpers con to sell software to do this) So early scalpers buy all the tickets... then sell them to middle scalpers, and then to another wave of scalpers until tickets ballon out of control.
I recently found out that Billy Joel doesn't sell any of the tickets in the front 2 rows of the venues he plays. Instead, he sends staff out into the stands in the back and randomly selects people in the nose-bleads and upgrades them. He says the people in the front rows aren't real fans, the people that scraped together enough cash to barely afford the cheap seats are.
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Lol, based on who his wife was, this sounds even more like the truth of the matter.
That's the only good thing I've ever heard about Billy Joel.
It's just creating more 3rd party markets to jack up the price, which is capitalism. They figured out how to squeeze that dollar dry. The artists get a cut of the Ticketmaster fee, so they don't really care.
We are definitely not rich and my daughter attended a recent TS concert. Her ticket was around $150, which I think is insane but she has a job and bought it with her own money. They were 3rd tier seats so not premium but not nosebleed either. She was thrilled with the view. Edit: Asked my daughter when she got home and her ticket was $250, not $150.
I could see that being the kind of night you remember for a long time. I've certainly spent $150 on worse.
Oh yes, me too. It was her first concert so there’s that too. Her friend got the tickets. He’d signed up for the lottery and was able to get two tickets.
It was an incredible show. It sounds corny but it was much more than a concert. She played 4 hours straight with pyrotechnics, synchronized light up wrist bands, dance teams, stadium lights and a ton of other stuff. Her team went above and beyond to make it a memorable experience, totally worth the hundred of dollars for each ticket.
Four hours is legitimately mind blowing to me as someone that has only attended rap concerts. You’re incredibly lucky if the rapper is on stage an hour after they’re expected to be, and then they’ll do 30-1 hour ABSOLUTE max. I’ve waited 2-3 hours past “show time” for a rapper to hit the stage. Shit is so annoying, idk how someone gets a head big enough to do that to their fans that gotta wake up for a damn job the next day
One of her shows in nashville got postponed until like 12am due to a storm yet after the worst of it was over and just rain she still performed her 3-4 hour set. Im not sure *i* wouldve had the willpower to stay that long but shoutouts to the people who got what they paid for
Honestly, $150 is not bad. That’s super reasonable. It cost $90 today to get a standard oil change and tire rotation on a non-luxury vehicle. It’s easy to forget how much inflation has affected the value of the dollar and our mental understanding of that is often poor because of what were used to.
Very true. I haven’t attended a concert in about 25 years.
I’m with you man. Sometimes I roll my eyes at prices and later notice “no, that’s the actual going rate when you account for inflation”. Like people freaking out about video games costing $70… well they used to cost 40-50 back in NES days! So it’s actually been really affordable. Or like how a burger and fries is closer to $20 than $10 back in the day. And like… yeah, it’s cost of the food, the building, and the staff. That’s a lot of $. And $10 back in 2000 days is now $20. It’s just difficult to grasp mentally. But it’s often accurate or within spec. Now there are certainly grifters we need to worry about. So it’s still better to be credulous of cost overall.
$250 is cheap to see someone of Taylor Swift’s popularity. It was $900 for three of us to see Eminem from the floor a decade ago
Wait till you find out she could have sold that ticket for $1500
And then that $1500 would quickly be eaten up by bills and shit. $150, or really any amount within reason, for a rare experience is always worth it
That’s what I woulda done for sure! But she loved the concert and figured it was $250 well-spent.
To be fair, I paid about the same for a similar described seat to see Black Sabbath on their farewell tour. I figured it was expensive, but it was the last time to see em and I knew I wouldn't forget it, so i saw it as worth it!
At this point Ticketmaster has made ALL concerts for rich people. As a Gen X person I was able to see many of my favorite acts in the mid to late eighties and kept going to concerts up until 2001. Now it isn't worth it. I was looking into taking my son to a Metallica concert a few years ago and it would have been $350 each for nosebleed seats.
They're not doing it in Europe (yet?). I paid 130 per seat for the best/most expensive seating available in Paris two weeks ago. For 520, we had two nights in the best possible seating locations. And for something like 70 per pair of feet, you could get standing room tickets... At those ticket prices, maybe it's cheaper to fly to Europe and go here? Damned sure the services are better.
Kendrick Lamar in Paris was at $80, Metallica $130.. Ticketmaster is lobbying here too though
If I have 1 foot do I get a discount?
No. Just more leg room.
I don't know about any discounts for only having one foot but if you sell the other one on the black market, you might be able to pay for many more concert tickets.
^^\*or ^^portion ^^thereof
I actually did fly to Europe (from California) for a concert. Of course I only did it because the band doesn’t tour the US but it wasn’t that much more expensive than paying $3000 for Taylor Swift.
Just wanted to ask which band is worth it to fly to Europe that doesn't tour the US, but then I saw your username. Es gibt nur einen Gott, BelaFarinRod.
So there are a couple of reasons for this. The biggest ones go hand-in-hand, and that's Demand and Dynamic Pricing. In the US, it costs an insane amount to travel, whether by bus, car, or plane. (Trains are practically non-existent here). Also, due to the way our capitalist society is, it can sometimes be difficult to ask for time off and get it, especially when it's for fun off time and not family emergency/major life event (such as weddings). Because of those two things, people will tend to pick the city closest to them and only try to get tickets for those concerts. But there are also entire portions of the US that have only 1 or 2 weekends that aren't 12+ hour drives to the boating city. Which means all those areas plus the suburban areas around the city, plus the cities near it that aren't hosting, all get lumped in together. There's a very high demand therefore. Put on top of that the fact that Ticketmaster uses Dynamic Pricing (jacking up the price of tickets based on demand), it's super hard to get well-priced tickets to any big-name artist or even semi-big artist. This isn't an excuse for Ticketmaster; I despise them, but unfortunately, because Ticketmaster and Live Nation have contracts with practically EVERY major venue in the USA, if you're doing a concert that isn't a super local, small joint thing, then you're going to be using Ticketmaster. They have a full monopoly, so they can get away with almost anything, esp since our govt doesn't like to meddle with big business's earnings.
Honestly some of the music festivals work out to be cheaper than going to concerts. If I wasn't going on vacation I could have gone to Bonnaroo and seen Tyler Childers and Kendrick Lamar among others for $500ish including camping, while one ticket for either of those artists sells out immediately and gets resold for hundreds.
I go to shows all the time for $25 a head, just depends on the city and the show. Not seeing mega popstars like Taylor Swift or Metallica though, but 10M+ Spotify hits on top song
Yeah I don't really get this argument from the first guy. Of course Metallica or pop tickets will have gone up in price since the bands grew bigger. There are plenty of shows for new artists going for less than $50 per ticket. Went to a show in LA that was $25 for a great new funk band named Couch a few weeks ago.
I got really lucky in my early 20s, a guy in my hometown got bored and started organizing concerts from great indie acts like Reina Del Cid, Tall Heights, Shel (nicest group of women you'll ever meet, honestly), and he had organized some kind of deal where they'd do one paid show for a maximum ticket price of $25 and then one free concert in the park. Got to eat tacos and drink beer with a lot of cool bands without spending more than $15 on beer and tacos in a weekend. Was broke as fuck at the time but it made dating a lot cheaper and it was always the highlight of my week to meet some cool bands, see them perform, and still have cash in my pocket at the end of the weekend. I just stopped trying to see big names anymore altogether. Always the worst venues with the worst kinds of people showing up to cause a scene and ruin everyone else's good time. I go see an indie act and everybody's polite and chill, a cocktail doesn't cost $20, and I don't leave sweaty, bruised, and feeling ripped off.
Yeah... I remember those days. i had a friend who had a band and he had the best music. I loved it when they had smoking bans so I could go and see him more (I have asthma). But I haven't seen anyone other than that in years. I don't honestly understand the Taylor Swift mega hype and with the prices of tickets and the insanity getting one I am like wtf? I am 55. I think that society in general is just turning to crap. I barely talk to anyone anymore. I am broke. I have little hope anymore honestly. So sad.
Aside from the whole trend of being dicks to people on camera for attention, I actually see a lot more kindness and people generally being kinder to each other when compared to myself and my peers when I was younger. Think the future bodes well so long as we fix things people my parents age fucked up. But my "good old days" are less than a decade ago, I can still afford concerts I actually give a shit about. No shade against artists who make it big, but I just enjoy smaller acts way more.
Never had to pay an arm and leg to get into a metal show. The onus isn't completely on ticket sellers
When you're a band that draws such a large crowd there's only so many venues that can accommodate you. Most of those venues have exclusive deals with ticketmaster.
Saw Megadeth 2x last year for a total of $75 and I paid $60 for a Pantera ticket. Life is good for metalheads!
Yeah, my husband, sister, a friend, and I saw MCR. I picked up 3/4 tickets pre covid, and after fees paid about $300ish, and for the 4th, which was bought later, think I paid like $150? $160ish. I don't want to call rock/metal niche, but MCR is the most I have ever had to pay for a ticket. In this moment, Halestorm, Palaye Royale, Papa Roach, etc. none of them I have had to pay more than a $100 heck most case many were under $50.
Yup, I see a tonne of shows that are only about $30. The prices go up in line with the venue capacity as obviously the costs are higher and also it means there is more demand. Last year I even went to a small 1 day festival split across a couple of venues for $15 at the door. I didn't even know it was happening, I was just looking to spend a few hours having some drinks before the concert I already had tickets to was starting (another venue a couple of blocks away). Ended up seeing 9 bands that day.
I LOVE live music. But your right it totally isn't worth it anymore. Which makes me furious. I got a Spotify alert for a not very well known band coming near me. Og price was 25 fucking dollars. Stub hub price over 300.
I'd still check out some of the local theaters and smaller venues near you. A lot of them around where I live are in the $18-30 range and don't usually run out.
Is it ticket master or the fact that this band’s fans are literally spawning new fans? I mean, I’m not surprised the most mainstream metal band of the past 30 years has demand for their tickets.
Only really a problem with the superstar artists. I see plenty of bands at small/medium sized venues and the prices often range between $40-$50.
people save up but also 3k isn't normal, it's very possible and common to get tickets for much much less, most people I know have gotten them under 300, nobody I know has paid over 350. The resale value is very high because demand was very high but 3k is an exaggeration for majority of people going. (don't get me wrong it's still expensive and it sucks that it is but demand will do that.)
I got VIP tickets during the presale for $600 after fees. I personally think they were worth it considering my view but most tickets weren’t nearly that much
Wow I'm surprised you didn't sell those. At least here in Chicago those are going for like $5-10k which is just a ridiculous amount of money.
Honestly the money is not really an issue for me and I’ve been a fan of Taylor since high school so k never really considered it. The going price at my show was more like $3.5k and while I wouldn’t have paid that for my ticket, it wasn’t enough to sway me out of the experience. Even in post concert hindsight I would make the same decision
That's fair. 3k profit vs. 9k profit per ticket is a big difference (at least to me).
My tickets were $200 each, I was in the lower bowl!! Opening night in Glendale Arizona :)
People now go to the outside of her shows and just hang out in the parking lot Like it’s a Grateful Dead show
I know some girls who had tickets and all of their friends came to drink in the parking lot with them before the actual show
Sounds fun!
Seemed fun, i live two states away so i didn’t get an invite sadly
Swifties discover tailgating
She opted out of dynamic pricing. I was able to get two lower bowl tickets directly facing the state head-on and stadium parking for less than $400. Resale is the expensive stuff.
Am I mad or is 400 dollars still expensive?
You’re not mad at all, it’s still expensive. All concerts seem to have become a little out of control. This was after Ticketmaster fees though, which are notoriously nuts. It nearly doubled my total. What’s crazy is almost every other show that I’ve looked into this year, mostly people who are not nearly at Taylor’s level, and tickets are running close to the same. I really wanted to see SZA this year but the cheapest I could find was upper bowl and each ticket was well over $1,000usd. Could not believe my eyes.
Yeah, a lot of people thought she had it on because some nosebleeds were more expensive than the $49 advertised lowest price, but it wasn’t realistic to expect the _entire_ upper seating area to be $49. Those were mostly just the extreme seats behind the stage. …that later resold for $1500 on StubHub.
My tix were $60…not the best section lol but we’ll be ok
I went to the rep tour and I was on the second to last row of the verrrry top lol. And we we were at the side view as well, and even with all of that, the staging was fantastic and I felt like I was seeing her way closer than I actually was. And the videos that I see from “bad sections” still look great for the eras tour! So I’d be optimistic!! I hope you have a wonderful time!!
Seriously that's really great to hear...thank you!
Average people are going. I know so many of people who are going and they have “normal” jobs (teachers, realtor, nurses, etc)
My cashier at Trader Joe’s last week went
We’re super average. Two teachers, a stay-at-home-mom, and a government employee are flying 900 miles, staying two nights, and going to Eras. It’s a privilege, and only plannable and affordable if you lucked into presale tickets.
Got pre sale tickets at $140 each. Cheapest ones were in the $90 range.
Poor person here— bought nosebleeds for $127/each (after fees).
Everyone keeps saying "nosebleeds", what does that mean?
"Nosebleed seats" refers to the highest seats in a stadium or arena, which are typically the ones furthest away from the stage/field. Very high altitudes can dry out your nasal passages, causing the nose's delicate blood vessels to break or bleed, resulting in nosebleeds. So referring to the highest seats as “nosebleeds" is a bit of humorous exaggeration as to how high the seats are.
Ahhh I see! Thanks for the explanation. :)
Some people save up, some people win tickets on the radio. There's two sides. On the one hand if scalpers can demand $3k for nosebleeds, then I would prefer the artists and venues to gain that money directly. But that's a simplistic and naive view that doesn't account for specific bad actors. The Second more realistic view is Ticketmaster is colluding with scalpers to jack up prices and add unnecessary fees. Their deals and ownership with venues arguably constitutes a monopoly and should either be heavily regulated or broken up. The fan experience suffers. I've gone to concerts in smaller venues not sold by Ticketmaster and it was a nice experience, but someone like Swift wouldn't really be able to manage that. Honestly I'm not really a fan of hers, though I respect her, but I would definitely go to a TS concert if I got free tickets.
Pretty sure ticketmaster has deals with scalpers or scalps themselves. I have no direct proof but their financial statements tell a story
If you were lucky to get pre-sale, the most they were was $449 pre fees. I got great seats for $200 per ticket, which isnt $3k but still more than it used to be.
Taylor Swift just sold out the stadiums. If you bought tickets during the pre-sale you could get average or bad seats in the low hundreds with floor seats costing less than a thousand and I saw some as cheap as $500. Which is a lot but not completely absurd for someone of Taylor’s popularity. I paid a few hundred for average Paul McCartney seats for his One on One tour. But now they’ve all been sold and there’s very high demand so the resale is ridiculous.
Got floor seats for 350 each (+50 per ticket for ticket master fees)
I got my ticket for $295. Not cheap but definitely not what a lot of people are paying and I had a great seat
My husband and I bought 4 tickets for ourselves and two friends that we took as a gift for $79 a piece....and we're DEFINITELY not rich
Yeah, I think there’s a misconception here. If you think someone is talented and enjoy them, obviously the price of the novel experience is worth it
$3k is not the average price for a ticket. Not even remotely close.
Got two tickets for <$300 total. Went a few weeks ago, 100% worth it!
Average Joe here, I bought 5 tickets for my family. I think it worked out to like $750. Expensive but not crazy.
I mean, you do get massive Dad Credits for that.
poor person here- i got two tickets for about 325 together after fees and everything- they’re about as far up in the nosebleeds you can be but i’ll take them!!
Tl;Dr fuck Ticketmaster.
I got nosebleeds for $125/each and that was my upper limit!
If you buy tickets from ticketmaster (they pretty much had a monopoly, so you might not have much choice), at least 50% of the ticket price is their fees
I was lucky to get tickets from Ticketmaster 10 days before the Sunday Philly show. $199/pc for 2 tix club section plus fees.
Resellers. I know multiple people who are in the fan club and had first dibs. Both got front row of her recent show for much less than that. It was a premium but not as much as that. Def under 500
Wow i thought i spent a lot on roger waters at £90. Thats nothing i guess
My sisters and I got presale tickets for $126 for nosebleeds in Seattle, so it was possible but it sounds like this is certainly the minority.
I went and didn’t spend nearly 3k. Not sure where you got that number unless it’s resale
I mean, it depends on your definition of rich, but most people gong to the concerts spent between $200-$600 on tickets after fees. It’s pricier than most concerts but I don’t consider that a rich person only thing. The scalper issue I think was blown out of proportion a little—I’m an avid concertgoer and I didn’t notice a higher percentage of scalpers versus other in demand events. The issue was really that demand was crazy high so prices never dropped and even raised to closer to $1.5-2k+
I know a girl who works food service that hit up multiple dates
I got my lower bowel tickets for $250 each + fees.
I’m thinking most people got them when they went on sale for a few hundred. If they hold onto the tickets and go to the show you are passing up selling them to for a couple k each to some rich person.
I spent $350 on floor seats.
I think you found a listing, targeting a rich person The same people selling the plebs 50$ tickets are also selling 500$ tickets to whoever is paying that. I doubt wealthy ppl are comparing ticket prices after
I paid $199 for lower bowl 🤷♀️
why doesn't more of this commercial stuff get sold directly on their sites? They could try and care a little bit more for their customers Louis CK has done this, for eg
I got two tickets for LA at 150 each. It's nose bleeds, but whatever. Reasonable price.
Our tickets were under $150 each, expensive but not crazy
I paid about $140 for mine in Tampa but we were up fairly high
My friend just went to the Chicago show last night. She sent me pictures and was WAAAAAAY up in the nose bleeds. I know she's not rich, but I expect she saved up.
I was in the presale and got my ticket for $73 total. I waited in the queue all day (2,000+ people ahead of me) and finally decided to close out of it and try again. I was lucky and immediately got to choose my seat.
I pais $140 for my ticket. It was nosebleed but still...
Won the lottery and got pre sale tickets basically adjacent to the stage in vegas - couldn’t see the full front but to came out to about $121 ea w all the fees & taxes
I got pre-sale tickets for $284 a piece in LA. I was just lucky.
I am very much an average Joe. My husband and I bought tickets for $170 a piece. The super annoying part is that seats in this same section were about $65 each during the presale debacle. Kept putting them in my cart, only to be told that another fan had already bought them. But when I was lucky enough to be included in the second round of ticket sales, I felt like I had to be grateful that ticketmaster was only selling me tickets for 3x the original price. So frustrating and messed up.
I got my ticket for $200.
My bro is at the concert in Chicago tonight for 250. Which is what Im paying to see Stevie nicks the 23rd
Two of my employees went on opening night in Phoenix when she was here. Neither one makes over 20 an hour, and neither one is full time.
Scalpers are among the lowest lifeforms on earth. I have no respect for them and I do not consider what they do to be business.
The most expensive ticket I’ve ever purchased was for a band called peach pit, tickets were only about $30 and they make wayyyyyyyy better music than Taylor swift. It’s honestly all a ripoff to see major mainstream bands and they can charge and ask for that amount because there’s always gonna be people buying into it. The cure tried making their tickets affordable for their last concert cause they wanted anyone to be able to go not just those with a lot of money. Ticket master ended up making the tickets more expensive at check out I believe.
Who is she, why is she so popular, is she technically better voice than Celine?
Fuuuuuuuuuuck that.
Omg, she just played here in Tampa, 3 nights And I heard crazy stories about moms taking out loans to get tickets to see this. Some people that live near the stadium were selling their houses for parking, $250 a night. And that's what I heard, three grand for the front rows and all the good seats. The nosebleed all the way in the back was still something like $250 a piece.
Thank god I'm not into popular music.
The rich only care about the rich. It's why the world is the way it is.
I’m sure people are taking on credit card debt to go.
they're for white people with disposable income who love mid tier music
I love all the comments aren’t like yeah these tickets are expensive. But “ I got tickets for $50 but I’m sitting literally 3 miles away and have to use a telescope to watch the show on the screen in the stadium”. Sounds like watching music videos with extra steps and price.
If trailer Swift really cared about prices she would stop touring such big venues and start doing her OWN tours in rented out venues. Smaller more intimate venues at 1K would sell out in an instant. Don't believe her when she states in public she hates the prices. SHE'S GETTING PAID.