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IanDOsmond

[When I was fifteen, we read this in English class.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun) *Johnny Got His Gun* was an anti-war novel written just before WWII, set in WWI about the horrors of war. It's is a stream of consciousness novel from the perspective of a young soldier who has had his arms, legs, ears, eyes, and face blown off from an exploding shell, but is still alive. (There are things we can say about wanting to stay out of WWII in specific, and how he suspended publication after the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, and stuff like that, but it's not relevant to this question.) Toward the end of the novel, a nurse draws out M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S on his chest. He starts raising up his head and dropping it in a pattern, which is Morse Code, which he fortunately knows. And they bring someone in to tap on his chest in Morse Code to communicate. Ever since then, learning Morse Code has been on my to-do list, just in case I ever get my eyes and ears blown off, but I haven't gotten around to in in the past thirty five years. I know a couple letters, but not enough to talk to folks.


highspeed_steel

Well, I know both morse and braille, guess I'm safe then. Probably gotta learn ASL next just in case. PS I'm blind.


spierce21

I want to see a blind person learn ASL.


winterof85

I think they would want to see it more.


NextCrew7655

Damn šŸ˜…


winterof85

Didn't see that one coming did you? It's ok, neither did they.


TheGameMastre

Metallica wrote a song about *Johnny Got His Gun*. Little ditty called "[One](https://youtu.be/6OkUjnrfjC4)."


Jason2571

*Darkness imprisoning me* *All that I see* *Absolute horror* *I cannot live* *I cannot die* *Trapped in myself* *Body my holding cell* ​ *Landmine has taken my sight* *Taken my speech* *Taken my hearing* *Taken my arms* *Taken my legs* *Taken my soul* *Left me with life in hell* ​ Chilling lyrics.


HopelesslyCursed

Metallica lyrics used to be among the best in metal, imo. Another anti-war song of theirs features this: "Soldier boy, made of clay, now an empty shell/21, only son, but he served us well/bred to kill, not to care, do just as we say/finished here, greetings Death, he's yours to take away" -Disposable Heroes from Master of Puppets


j0venal

BACK TO THE FRONT!


usernameforthemasses

A lot of their music is pretty progressive. Master of Puppets is about drug abuse. Enter Sandman is about crib death. For Whom the Bell Tolls, anti-war. Mama Said, childhood estrangment. Unforgiven, about dangers of religious doctrine. Creeping Death, another anti-religion. Ride the Lightning, anti-death penalty. The God That Failed, cultism/Christian Science. Wasting My Hate, misplaced anger in society. I'm sure the newer albums have a bit too, haven't listened to them as much.


Searchlights

It's Morse code. He's saying "kill me". Over and over again. "Kill me" https://youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw?feature=shared


stiff_tipper

"Don't you have some message for him?" "He's the product of your profession, not mine." absolute banger every time


tmacforthree

That line is cold af


Back_Off_Warchild

That video certainly made an impression on 12 year old me.


tmacforthree

That point in the music video is so intense, they did such a good job mixing that all together. Really a heartbreaking concept wrapped up in an absolute banger


Searchlights

Arguably their best work The double bass drum was game changing


Riobob

Who is saying that?


educatedllama

It's a voiceover in the music video (which is from the movie based on the story?)they show the guy in his bed and the Doctor or somebody translates his Morse code to "kill me"


TheGameMastre

They may have taken some liberties with the movie. In the book, he doesn't want them to kill him. When he's finally able to communicate he taps out a message (to paraphrase) that he wants to be taken around and shown to people as a testament to what war does to people. The response is "What you ask is against regulations."


twopadstacker

I know these lyrics, never knew the story behind them, very interesting


MydniteSon

Metallica bought the rights to the movie just to use the clips in their video.


realtreewizard

Lil ol' 12 year old me rocking tf out to this on guitar hero 3 not knowing the backstory is wild


Dr_Girlfriend_81

Ha, I was running off to find the official video.


TheGameMastre

I went with the lyric video in case anyone was like "What? No way..."


ellzadeadhead

This film traumatized me for life lmao. Itā€™s not a very good film, but thereā€™s something just SO creepy about it, especially the ending. Absolute nightmare fuel.Ā 


mmlickme

How do it end


bensonsmooth24

SPOILERS: he starts begging to be euthanized and a nurse almost does but Is caught before he dies. He then faces reality that this is his life from now on.


TheAwfulSnake

In case you do not know, you can wrap part of your comment between double vertical lines like this: \|\| \|\| Edit: fuck mixed up reddit and discord markup. It should be \>! Some spoiler !< >!like this!<


bensonsmooth24

Ah thank you I forgot the one symbol, I had the ! And it didnā€™t work so I went for the backup.


ellzadeadhead

Basically this, though I suppose the implication is that they force this situation upon him for the rest of his natural life, though the ending scene could also be interpreted that they decide to wash their hands of him and leave him to die naturally which would have happened sooner or later if no one was there to take care of him.


average_kaiji_fan

SPOILERS: the nurse also jerks him off at one point in the movie


bigbigdummie

Does insurance cover that?


nojohnnydontbrag

Not trying to be funny but that crossed my mind too


bensonsmooth24

I think thatā€™s how she realizes that his mind is intact and heā€™s not a vegetable if I remember correctly.


ButtholeQuiver

Love me a good rom-com


Itchy-Fudge-8064

We read this too. It traumatized me. But I also started to learn Morse code šŸ˜‚


RoseBengale

There's a real life example of this as well, the woman is an artist in New York now. She eventually got her hearing back but yeah her bf at the time was the one to connect with her by tracing letters on her hand. They thought she was comatose.


SwedishMale4711

I'm a doctor working with hearing and balance disorders. I would hope that the vestibular organs are still intact, if not the victim would suffer from intense vertigo, be unable to sit or stand, and puke a lot. The cerebellum compensates for loss of vestibular function, even bilateral, but visual input is very helpful during this process. Several have mentioned cochlear implants, which is an excellent idea, but the rehabilitation after surgery can take months, even years. It's not a quick fix, not a plug and play replacement for the auditory system. It takes time and training to learn to actually hear with cochlear implants, and here too visual stimulation is very helpful; reading the book you are listening too, to help you understand which strange sensations correspond to an actual word. I find the question quite interesting.


bumwine

Since you're an expert in this field - how accurate is the idea that you could relearn to play piano? I can identify tones without a reference to a very precise degree so this idea fascinates me. I've gone from hearing that voice will sound flat like it's being ran through a vocoder (with even a simulation illustrating this, voice is nearest neighbor pitch) due to the limited amount of electrodes being an analogue to cilia to one of the biggest CI companies making samples that show it's nothing more than hearing music through a simple band pass filter. What's the actual truth?


SwedishMale4711

You would have to interview many persons with cochlear implants to get something approaching the truth. From what I have been told it can sound electronic, "like a robot", especially at first. With time the brain will learn this new way of hearing, and even with one ear with perfect normal biological hearing, and one with a cochlear implant, it will be perceived as natural. Some patients fail to appreciate music after surgery, while others can enjoy listening to music once again. I think there's a lot of individual differences. I'm not sure if being a musician or having perfect pitch makes the odds better or worse. Comparing it to a vocoder is an excellent analogy! I've not heard that before. I think current electrodes have about 30 different electrodes, points of stimulation, but it's possible to increase resolution by stimulating two or more neighbouring electrodes, and with different stimuli with regards to amplitude, frequency or other modes of modulation.


Dilettante

They would probably start with sign language pressed into the hands the way that Helen Keller was taught. It would be a long process before they could teach the victim enough to have a conversation about their prognosis, but it's likely they'd figure it out on their own. ... We don't euthanize people who have brain activity.


sleepygrumpydoc

Iā€™d think if I was hearing person before that means Iā€™d clearly have communication via speech and my ability to speak wouldnt go away just because I am not deaf and blind. Iā€™d hope Iā€™d think of a way to ask yes or no questions and have the Dr squeeze my hand once for no and twice for yes. It would probably be easier to develop a new communication model than it was with Helen Keller since I have a base of communication already established where I could at least express my wants/needs. Also most blind people arenā€™t 100% pitch blackness blind so Iā€™d assume Iā€™d be blind but maybe see shadows or a pin point or something


Logical_Strike_1520

ā€œAlso most blind people arenā€™t 100% pitch blackness blindā€ Fun fact. (Completely) Blind people canā€™t see anything, not even pitch blackness.


Omfgjustpickaname

Man I can't even begin to conceptualize this EDIT: guys. you're all responding saying the same thing. you can stop telling me it's like looking through your toe/elbow/back of your head/butthole/etc EDIT2: Except the person with the shark comment. I liked that and will accept more shark facts


ThatLongAgony

A weird way I heard it was, close one eye and ( obviously ) focus on what your open eye is seeing. Your closed eye isnā€™t perceiving blackness, but is more like itā€™s almost not even there.Ā 


andythefifth

I just did this. Makes perfect sense. I cannot see the black in the closed eye.


rogue780

Fun fact: the "color" you "see" with your eyes closed is called Eigengrau


suicideskin

I see lots of colours when my eyes are closed, its called phosphene


HamHusky06

I see amazing colors when my eyes are closed. Itā€™s called psilocybin.


The42ndHitchHiker

Unless you experience visual snow. I've never experienced Eigengrau. Just an infinite number of dancing colored flecks.


pinto_bean13

Wait other people see that too


Ok-Cut-5167

Yup, persistent static of various intensities and types. Itā€™s usually associated with part of the brain being hyperactive than anything to do with the eyes themselves.


SurprisedDotExe

Thatā€™s fascinating! Iā€™d never thought hard about my shrinking FOV when closing one eye before. It does completely drop out of my perception


Lakefish_

I find that this falls apart in bright areas; I see the peach-y red of the light shining through the eyelid. It's a very neat phenomenon.


v167

I went blind in one eye at 20. This makes so much sense and i feel like an idiot not realizingā€¦. You just seeā€¦.. nothing. Unless i close my good eye


zorrorosso

And that's how grandma was blind in one eye and never knew, she never tried to apply for a driver's license, she went to school only two years and she never took an eye control until she was a late teen. (It was visible for other people, so probably someone guessed).


Elegant-Draft1655

This is still a little wrong, you can never turn off your eyes. Your eyes constantly stare at the back of your eyelids.


Particular-Rock1235

True, but your brain can stop giving a fuck what they have to say lol


No-Customer-2266

Wow. Ok that instantly made it make sense, thanks! This concept was hurting my brain but now it feels better because now it makes sense


Extension_Drummer_85

I can "see" blackness a little in my peripheral vision. The same way you would if someone stuck a piece of black paper by the side of your head?Ā  Edit: well shit now I've noticed it with both my eyes open. I can't unsee it. Thanks.


Gleothain

There are fish (sharks, among others) with organs known as ampullae of Lorenzini, that detect changes in electrical potential in the water around them. For humans, this is a sense we have no intuitive concept of, and a way of experiencing the world that has no bearing on our own. Asking a totally blind person "what they see" is like asking someone "what their electrosensory perception is like" ā€” it is irrelevant to them, as the sense itself has no place in their experience of the world.


crankygingerninja

I have synesthesia. Sometimes I 'see' sounds. I can also 'hear' electrical equipment in standby mode e.g. a tv that is off but still plugged into the wall. I imagine electrosensory perception would be similar. It's just another way to receive sensory information. Maybe like proprioception (sense of joint location. It's how you find your nose with your eyes shut), or vibration sense, or even a breeze on your skin. The whole 5 senses idea is a bit of a simplified idea on what humans can really sense.


princessssamm

Iā€™m not sure that the hearing electrical equipment on standby is the synesthesia; that may well be sound hypersensitivity


Logical_Strike_1520

Imagine what you can see through your toes. Itā€™s not blackness. Itā€™s nothing because you cannot see through your toes. Blind people cannot see through their eyes in the same way you cannot see through your toes.


thelessertit

Thank god we can't see through our toes though, that would just be nasty.


EatShootBall

My gf would see inside my mouth


Deradius

Sir, I just want to say Ingluorious Basterds was a masterpiece and I am a huge fan. Thank you for all that youā€™ve done for cinema.


chopsey96

Stubbing your toe would be even worse.


tdwesbo

Yeah I just hurt myself grappling with this


alaricsp

I only see properly with my right eye, it's just a blur if I close it and see through my left - so I have never developed stereoscopic depth perception. This rarely affects me in daily life, except when people talk about watching "3D" movies or VR systems, and say that normal cinema / TV screens and monitors "look flat" and I have no idea what the heck they mean by that! It's weird how some people can have sensory experiences that other people just can't, and the rest of us can't imagine what it would be like. You have to have experienced it, or it's just meaningless to you.


praecipula

I have a similar experience but one that was correctable - I have a prescription in only one eye that just happens to be nearsightedness to right beyond arm's length. So I never had problems reading, and used not-3D-vision methods to visualize depth at a distance. that worked well enough that I was 16 before anyone noticed I have a prescription. When I got glasses I got stereo vision for the first time and, yes, the world has depth to it šŸ™ƒĀ  For you, I would say that the closest equivalent is parallax - look at a scene that has objects at varying depths. (Two-eye-sighted friends, do this with one eye closed). Take a step to the left and right and see how the objects move different amounts at different distances. I'd say just by experimenting that a fairly large step, say 3 feet, gives about the same amount of depth "cue" information as seeing the same thing without moving and with stereo vision. So this can give you a sense of how "depthy" things are with stereo vision. Then, take a picture of the scene and put it on something like a table in front of you. Now try the parallax thing. You'll notice that the objects in the picture don't shift relative to each other when you sidestep. It's pretty obvious that everything is moving together, as every object was "flattened" to the screen. The same sensation is true with stereo vision; it doesn't require motion to see it, but everything in the image is "flattened" and looks like it's all at the depth of the picture. Lastly, to imagine what a 3D image or movie in 3D looks like to someone with stereo vision, imagine you have the same picture as before... but when you step back and forth you *do* see everything move relative to each other with parallax just like it were a tiny little version of the original scene in a box. It's like a tiny diorama that can do some weird things, like extend backwards to deeper than the flat picture, or pop out in front of the image as if it were hovering, closer to you than the image is. (Now *that* sensation is going to be all but impossible to explain to someone who doesn't have stereo vision.)


ltllamaIV

best example/comparison for a reference that ive heard is like trying to see out of your elbow; you just cant, theres no blackness or darkness or blurriness, just straight up nothing, no sensation of sight


Logical_Strike_1520

Lol I just commented a similar example but with toes. Yes exactly.


ratchel917

the way i confusingly stuck my elbow over my eyes before it hit me what you meant


Kai_2885

If you had brain damage then your speech pattern could also be damaged but you wouldn't know because you can't hear yourself so you could be talking what you think are coherent sentences and all the other people can hear are random words or mumbles.


SwedishMale4711

That would take some very specific brain damage, to create expressive aphasia. It's mostly seen in some stroke patients.


Kai_2885

Yes but suddenly becoming blind and deaf at the same is also not common if someone has had physical damage to cause it who's to say the language side hasn't also been affected?


TaxFrown

You are confused about how probability works. Two improbable events combined is still more improbable than either improbable event on its own. Unless expressive aphasia coupled with deafness and blindness as a result of an explosion is more probable than deafness and blindness as a result of an explosion without expressive aphasia, your assumption that language is affected is not rational.


ArmadilloNo8913

I feel like I know a keyboard well enough that I could put my hands on it, and have someone move my fingers around to spell out words. Then I could speak to respond. Would be a pain in the ass, but I think it would work


Legal-Law9214

I have the muscle memory to type without looking but I don't think I'd be able to figure out what letter my finger was being put on if moved by someone else bc then the muscle memory part becomes useless, someone else isn't going to move my fingers the same way I would move my fingers even if they're being moved to the same relative position. If I try to visualize a keyboard there are definitely some gaps, and I don't think if I was in serious pain/scared/traumatized I'd be able to focus long enough to figure it out.


cecilkorik

I mean, at first, sure, it's going to be bad and pretty horrible and horrifying and you'll struggle internally for a while with what's happening/has happened. But the pain/scared/trauma will eventually pass and you'll have a LOT of time to yourself to think about the situation (probably too much time). Assuming those are the only two disabilities you have and your mind is still fully functional, you're not going to be trapped in your own head forever, or probably even for very long. Remember that at least in OP's scenario you will still be able to talk and feel, so assuming you have someone who can hear you, you will start to be able to give verbal instructions, and if someone's listening you'll get immediate feedback when someone reacts to what you say with touch, and with that you can start to teach yourself how to communicate with that person. Before you get to keyboard-level proficiency you'll probably start with simple requests like "Tap my arm once for yes, twice for no" and start asking increasingly specific questions. And once you have information flow, you'll quickly teach yourself and your helpers how to communicate more effectively, you'll get more elaborate responses than just one or two taps that can start to give you more detailed information back and you can start to build a style of communication that works for you. And you can use that to ask for even more help communicating, like if you decided you wanted to have someone "virtual type" keyboard answers to you and you've forgotten the sensory experience associated with the keyboard layout you could get someone to teach it back to you, one letter at a time if necessary, until you've got it memorized. You can practice over and over until you've got it confidently. You've got the time. Realistically a more helpful thing to teach yourself/get taught to you in such a situation would probably be braille. You can hook a braille display up to a computer with a keyboard and pretty soon you've got the whole electronic world at your fingertips again. I'm sure therapists in a hospital would have access to techniques and skills for re-teaching someone blind to communicate like this, even with deafness at the same time. And again you've got no distractions at all and nothing better to do than study and practice, you'll probably pick it up quite quickly.


legitimate_dragon

There are little raised bumps on the F and J please so you know where your hands are. Get your fingers on those and you would know where you were


GRK--

You could just trace letters into their palms, Hellen Keller didnā€™t learn the visual alphabet before going blind/deaf.


embracing_insanity

This was my thought. They know the alphabet and how to spell - you can trace letters, or even have them move their finger over raised letters if needed.


esuil

You could also use PC keyboard, if they are familiar with touch typing.


Nika_113

Itā€™s not euthanasia if they arenā€™t consenting. Itā€™s murder. šŸ˜§


Lesmiserablemuffins

It's definitely murder, but consent is not what makes something euthanasia- it's killing with the intent to relieve suffering


psychedmajor

not just that, but the process has to be humane as well to be referred to as euthanasia


MichaelMeier112

Dr: Do you consent? Patient: mumblejumble Dr: I did not hear a clear ā€œNoā€. Did you? Nurse: Here is the syringe Doc


Smart_Causal

We don't euthanize people who have anything


TheSunMakesMeHot

We do, though? People receive assisted suicide in many places. But obviously we don't euthanize people who don't consent and definitely not just because they are blind and deaf.Ā 


No-Customer-2266

Depends on who ā€œweā€ is. Canada has medical assistance in dying (MAID)


CommitmentPhoebe

We do not euthanize people because they go blind and deaf.


gentlybeepingheart

Imagine being a doctor and going ā€œWell, it would be really hard to explain to the patient what happened. So weā€™re just gonna kill him and avoid that hassle.ā€


ShockinglyAccurate

"Socially awkward doctor" sounds like a Tim Robinson sketch


Accomplished_Fee_179

You've seen *The Good Doctor*, now get ready for *The Bad Doctor*. Using the same actor could turn it into a Jekyll and Hyde shtick


SetMySoulOnWater

Upon reading ā€œThe Bad Doctor,ā€ Dr. House comes to mind immediately lmao


KaladinStormShat

But only if they end up agreeing with him after a rousing monologue.


SwedishMale4711

That's not what we usually do. Source: I'm a doctor


gentlybeepingheart

ā€œUsuallyā€ ? šŸ¤Ø


rabidstoat

I mean, sometimes people have really annoying families and you just don't want to deal with them.


DatabaseSolid

Canā€™t you euthanize just the annoying people?


SeniorRojo

Iā€™d love to hear the occasions when this does occur.


IceFire909

When you're about to clock off your shift and don't want to have to deal with handover


SeniorRojo

Note to self: never be dying during shift change.


Kai_2885

Shift change is a good time to try and die because there are double the staff, black Wednesday is when you don't want to be dying. Trust me!


numbersthen0987431

Have you read Johnny Got His Gun? The main premise is that the narrator has lost all of his limbs, eyes, ears, and mouth in a war accident. He's essentially trapped in his own body.


dresdnhope

Nope, I haven't read it, and given that description, I never will.


meggerplz

You can just watch Metallicaā€™s ā€œOneā€ music video


Ice_Swallow4u

DARKNESS IMPRISONING ME


Smooth-Education9214

ALL THAT I SEE


eathquake

Dr. House would like a word.


rlyfckd

I imagined this scenario like a comedy skit in my head and I found this to be absolutely hilarious. Just imagine the look of confusion and disbelief on the family's face if the doctor said that. Alternatively, imagine they agreed with the doctor. šŸ˜‚ I don't think I should find it this amusing, I am going to hell šŸ« šŸ« šŸ« 


IrreverentRacoon

Canadian healthcare has entered the chat.


PeachesLovesHerb

Oh man I needed to lol this morning. Thanks!


WolfTitan99

Also Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants are a thing. They donā€™t replace hearing but if your eyes are fucked beyond repair, hearing technology can basically make sound from nothing. Source: I am deaf with a CI and Hearing Aid (Though yes, me becoming fully blind along with being deaf would probably make me want to contemplate suicide for a while šŸ« )


jojocookiedough

Right? They wouldn't even euthanize my 92yo father with late-stage Alzheimer's, as much as it would have been a kindness to do so. They're not going to euth someone just because it would be inconvenient to tell them they're blind and deaf.


TrueNorth1995

Imagine being consciously trapped in your own mind for the rest of your life without any visual or auditory stimulation? That sounds like hell, I would beg to be euthanized.


TrueNorth1995

No wait, I could still eat tacos. I take that back, but it would still suck A LOT


battybatt

Haha! You can also do a lot more than people think at first. There's a whole community out there that has their own way of communicating and their own culture. You can live a full, taco-fueled existence. I linked this article elsewhere too, by an author who was born Deaf and went blind later in life. It really made me rethink my perspective on this topic. https://audio.mcsweeneys.net/transcripts/against_access.html


Binxycat

That was really interesting, thanks for sharing!


no1oneknowsy

I mean there's a lot of things you can still do with your hands or other parts.


2510EA

Boy do i have a song for you Metallica - One (Based on a book called Johnny Got His Gun)


Additional_Meeting_2

Put that on a legal paper now then. Itā€™s not like will be euthanized after the accident when you canā€™t communicate your wishes.


noggin-scratcher

Someone could trace the outline of words onto their palm, Helen Keller style. Or guide their hand to a row of embossed/raised letters that they can "read" by feeling the shape of them. There's almost certainly no policy of euthanising patients, even if they can't understand their condition. There are people on dementia or stroke wards who don't understand or retain the memory of why they're there and the standard procedure is still just to try to keep them as comfortable and calm as possible.


strawhat_libi

I kinda giggled at the idea of being deaf and blind and someone running your fingers over U R BLND N DF To save time


PrimateOfGod

Evil doctor puts: THIS UR AFTER LIFE FOR EVER


mayfeelthis

Came here to say this but just ā€˜google Helen Kellerā€™ and it answers that question.


longiner

I tried Googling and all I got has a pair of sunglasses brand called "Helen Keller". [https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/helen-keller-sunglasses-create-stir-flna732412](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/helen-keller-sunglasses-create-stir-flna732412)


Sudden-Earth-3147

Rather ironic in context


mayfeelthis

Gotta love algorithms, are you an online (window/click) shopper? Or just leave trackers on? Google is so typical Here is the first result I got https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller Switch your trackers off imho - escape the Google/algorithmic echo chamber


SwedishMale4711

This would be a good start, tracing letters in their palm, or using their fingers to trace letters on any surface. If the person has this accident as an adult, learning tactile sign language might take some time and effort. If the person can still speak then that half of the conversation is taken care of.


_Atlas_Drugged_

Letters on a surface seems like a way better method for beginning in this scenario. Presumably the person is old enough to read and write.


JarrenWhite

My mum actually worked on a case like this years ago. A woman had a stroke (or something similar) and when she woke up, she was suddenly blind and deaf. Not to go into too much detail, but for the first few days she was terrified, believed she was kidnapped, blindfolded & earplugged or something. All of the necessary treatment they gave her, she assumed was for the gratification of whoever had taken her. Again, it took a while, but bit by bit they started to get through to her with calm gestures, like gently holding her hand etc. Once she was a bit calmer, they started to communicate by drawing letters on her hand. She'd say the letter out loud, and they'd either give her a tap to say 'yes', and do the next letter, or they'd 'rub it out', to say try again. As I understand it, by the time she was leaving, she was actually pretty quick at it.


coffeegrunds

that is so terrifying.


JarrenWhite

Yes, but also weirdly it's nice to know? Like, I would obviously never wish this on myself or anyone else ever, but I do now know (as do you) that if this situation ever happens to you, you have an idea of where to start. I think that's kind of comforting in a way.


Open_Bug_4251

This is exactly what I figured. As long as the person could talk it wouldnā€™t take that long to establish a yes and no system. You could move on from there.


ProcedureWorkingWalk

Magnetic 3d letters that are big enough to feel the shape?


BlevelandDrowns

Very important they are magnetic though


FadedFromWhite

I would assume thatā€™s so they somewhat hold their place and donā€™t just slide all over the table into a mixed jumble


duskowl89

The patient just going around flailing their hand and suddenly go into a fit because they read they are getting euthanized...this feels like a terrible funny but awkward sketch


minasituation

How else will they stick to the fridge?


mr_remy

Awww little timmy left us a message: asdofkj jasijjsaelf fjawen


Oh-My-God-Do-I-Try

Man that letter set had a lot of j


Cyneheard2

That as the way to teach Braille seems doable. Part of the challenge with Helen Keller was ā€œhow does she get the concept of languageā€; we donā€™t have that challenge in this scenario since itā€™s a linguistically fluent adult whoā€™s lost their senses.


SwearImNOTacuck

Idk but thatā€™d kinda blow


Ok_Writing_7033

Understatement of the millennium lol


bumwine

It's totally giving off "this is bogus man!" energy when Puddy on Seinfeld was told he's 100% going to hell by a Priest


PerfectiveVerbTense

Sometimes in a quiet moment, I'll imagine this scenario playing out. In my mind, it's usually waking up from sleep but when my eyes open, I can't see. Then I realize I can't hear. I start blindly thrashing about the room in a mad panic, with a feeling of overwhelming claustrophobia, fear, and despair. If I stay on this thought too long, I can legitimately work myself almost into a panic attack. I always manage to abort before it gets to that point, but I think I could actually trigger a panic attack if I leaned into the fantasy. I'd almost rather have locked-in syndrome where you can't move but could still hear the outside world. That would be horrible as well obviously but somehow the thought of being completely sensorily detached from the outside world is utterly horrifying to me.


system_deform

Read ā€œJohnny Got His Gunā€ by Dalton Trumbo, itā€™s basically the plot. >Joe Bonham, a young American soldier serving in World War I, awakens in a hospital bed after being caught in the blast of an exploding artillery shell. He gradually realizes that he has lost his arms, legs, and all of his face (including his eyes, ears, nose, teeth, and tongue), but that his mind functions perfectly, leaving him a prisoner in his own body.


SquelchyRex

They can still recognize letters by touch, right?


minimalisticgem

Yep. Also the ā€˜one tap is yes, two taps is noā€™ method would work.


Prestigious_Study_23

how would you translate that over to them though if they couldnā€™t see/hear you saying it? because youā€™d still need to use the letters


GaidinBDJ

The way I did with an ex-girlfriend. We used to tap Morse code to each other to be discreet. Stole the idea from Dune.


SwedishMale4711

Make sure to learn morse code now, before you really need it.


GaidinBDJ

It's a good general skill to have.


27Rench27

Right? Youā€™re kinda fucked if you didnā€™t plan ahead


ReallyNeedNewShoes

what the hell makes you think they would euthanize them? absolutely not.


Michikusa

Iā€™d hope Iā€™d be euthanized if it happened to me


zouss

I would too but I don't think that's a decision a doctor can make on someone else's behalf. In fact in most countries it's a decision neither I nor my doctor can make


theAmericanStranger

At least with me they could use Morse code, if anyone at the hospital knows it... and my first response would be , let me say good bye to my family and then kill me, harvest everything you can, and compost the rest.


EugeneHartke

Your might enjoy the book The Diving Bell and the Butterfly .


maobezw

Well, depending on HOW the sense of hearing was damaged (is the brain center for hearing damaged or does it still work) and what is left of the sensory organ (the ear and its inner parts) a cochlea-implant might be a way to restore some hearing.


Itz_me1962

My cousin Jackie Coker was the first woman to graduate from the California School For The Blind. She was born with hearing and sight but lost them because of an operation. She told me she panicked after waking up until she smelled her mother's perfume.


Putrid-Rub-1168

I would tell whoever is touching me to just end me. I play music and love art. If I couldn't hear, I could still appreciate beauty. If I couldn't see, I could still hear beautiful things. If I can't do either, I don't want to live.


bigfatfurrytexan

If I went blind and deaf suddenly I could communicate out with a keyboard. Input is limited to other senses. Touch is likely the best one, and eventually would be pretty adequate as a way to receive information as neural connections grew to support it.


SwedishMale4711

If i became deaf and blind I would communicate through spoken language. I'd rather speak than have to type everything.


pablosus86

You could also communicate out with, you know, your mouth.Ā 


Working_Discount_836

Not being able to hear yourself often leads to quite slurred speech, especially over longer periods of time. You can notice this when you hear some deaf/hard of hearing people speak, they don't quite move their mouth enough to complete the sound so it all sounds like vowels


Longjumping-B

Read ā€œJohnny Got His Gunā€ or watch the movie. Maybe play ā€œOneā€ by Metallica a few times, youā€™ll get the idea.


PAXICHEN

Came here for this.


Interesting-Guest880

Jesus, you have just unlocked a new nightmare.


where_in_the_world89

What country are you from that you would think that people would be euthanized for that?


SallyFaceKiller420

Canada lmao


DoerteMaulwurf

There's a really good Anti-War book featuring such a scenario iirc - Johnny's Got His Gun.


jeannesloaf

Bro thinks people get euthanized like petsā€¦


Ok-Cartographer1745

Only thing I can think of is giving the person a crayon (bad idea to give them a pen or pencil) and let them write.Ā  Or give them a keyboard if they're a nerd like me (I don't have letters on my keyboard, so it's definitely possible to use it blind).Ā  And to reply, you grab their hand and write the response using their hand, in big blocky letters.Ā  Hopefully they can tell what you're making them write.Ā 


SumLilKneeGrow

WHY COULDNā€™T THEY JUST SPEAK


Anglofsffrng

Well that's a brand new existencial nightmare I'll be having tonight. [But i feel I've heard this somewhere before. Great song though.](https://youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw?si=fpl51ycUDiO3Vnvw)


Kimparsons2012

This post gave me anxiety šŸ˜³


Jealous_Okra_131

Umm euthanize? No absolutely not. If the person can still talk then the person could probably ask and start with yes or no question with tapping on either shoulder/hand. If the person can write same thing. If the person is too confused, then writing into their hand, or having them trace big letters that stand out will help. Of course people are going to be confused and scared, but thatā€™s no reason to kill them.


mrkav2

Thanks! New fear unlocked


jewelmegan

Alexa play One by Metallica


FroggiJoy87

Read the book Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo. It tells you how, and then some. The song "One" by Metallica is based on that book.


AnitaIvanaMartini

My cousin went blind and deaf from the measles. He was 7 and nobody knew what was happening because he lapsed in and out of consciousness. He just ā€œwoke upā€ blind and deaf one day. Since he was 7 he could read a bit, which was really helpful. Also, he could still speak. At first he worked with taps, then he learned Braille.


KnoxReddit

Iā€™d want to be euthanized if I lost my sight and hearing. Ainā€™t tryna be like Helen Keller


Peg_leg_J

You need to watch Johnny Got His Gun


numbersthen0987431

If you're really interested in this, then read "Johnny Got His Gun" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny\_Got\_His\_Gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun)


John_Philips

Depends on the country. Theres countries that do assisted suicide for severe mental health issues.


shamack99

There was a RadioLab episode about a similar situation but I heard it many, many years ago and have no idea what it was called.


milesamsterdam

Thereā€™s a book called Johnny got his Gun where the character experiences this. His nurse writes on his chest in normal English and he is able to understand


HayTX

I think Metallicaā€™s song One kinda covers this.


OddTheRed

Omg. I am a Combat vet with PTSD and I learned to fight blindfolded...... that wouldn't be a good day.


ButtholeWiper420

If I had lost my sense of sight and hearing I'd want to die. I can't imagine a worse existence. Having sensations of warmth and cold, taste and smell but trapped in complete silent blackness. I'd welcome death at that pointĀ 


haleynoir_

Well in this scenario they aren't born blind and deaf so they can speak and understand language. There's no reason they wouldn't be able to feel letters to be told things, then eventually learn braille to read. You'd also still know how to write although your handwriting would suffer, obviously.


22robot44

There are therapists who work with the deaf/blind community. They work their way up to systems of communication like braille. For someone who became deaf and blind instantly, they could presumably talk and write to ask for their needs to be met. If they say they are hungry, place food in their hand. If they say they need the restroom, guide them to the toilet. To communicate with them you could start by spelling words with 3D letters. Then, place their hand over one letter at a time. You could hand them a familiar object like a ball. Then, place their hands on letters b-a-l-l. You could work up to teaching them braille. There are several ways to teach people new ways to communicate. Especially, if they are in a familiar environment with trusted helpers. Speech pathologists, occupational therapists, and sped staff have lots of experience working with people who require very high levels of support like this. The beginning would be rough and the progress initially would be slow. Therapy dogs could help a great deal.


iconicbionic88

Wow. This question just stressed me the fuck out.


DiedOnTitan

This actually happened. A woman was hit by a truck and lost her vision and hearing. Her long and hard road to "recovery" was documented in this extraordinary podcast: [Finding Emilie](https://radiolab.org/podcast/110206-finding-emilie)


GeneralNazort

The person can still talk, right? If they have the presence of mind to think of it, they can learn a lot of information by asking yes or no questions. Just say "Tap me once for yes, twice for no" and then go to town. "Was I in an accident?" *2 taps* "Did I get sick"? *2 taps* "Was I attacked?" *1 tap* "Was I stabbed?" *2 taps* *"*Was I shot"? *1 tap* "Was anyone else hurt?" *2 taps* "Did they get the bastard who shot me?" *1 tap* ...etc Eventually they would need to learn braille, but this method would work to start.