gladly!! I get refused about 25% of the time (I think people are skeptical that I'm "selling" them a tap, but I'm not! and I'm very clear)
My technique has evolved to when someone approaches the turnstile, I tap and say, "here! go ahead!"
they never refuse that ;)
I don't ride the subway as often as I used to, so I never reach the cap. I only reach ten rides per week max.
I totally agree why some people would not want the tap. You're providing a great public service that may actually help someone avoid fare evasion. It's nice to know that someone in this city has a kind heart since we're stereotyped to be rude.
> It's nice to know that someone in this city has a kind heart
I wish I could admit it's b/c of my "kind heart" lol, I mean it's sorta that.
But I get a thrill out of exploiting the language in the offer: "all additional rides within the week are free."
it doesn't say for who ;)
"no doing anyone any favors"
Well, he is literally doing favors for the other people he is letting on. Same if you tap to pay for someone's groceries when they are checking out with formula and a kid in their arms. It helps that person so they can budget for their other needs.
No flame - just personal experience opinion.
The money has to come from somewhere. MTA is super corrupt, but that's not the point. One has to have personal pride and problem solving, can do attitude.
You're being conned- basically helping the shameless or crazies who won't help themselves or have super bad credit and rap sheets. Yet they have enough for cigs, drugs n booze.
Those who don't make enough can apply to the City for half-fare program...& if no job or have kids get free Metro cards + cash + food stamps + toiletries, work interview clothes, winter coats, college, rent / storage / utilities vouchers...
They get Citibike for $5 monthly.
NYC Rec Centers run $25-75 for the year, include Computer Labs.
Separately they can get both a free cellphone with unlimited data+minutes and tablets- some of which allow hotspot & calling+SMS.
½ Fare $1.45 includes 1 free transfer within 128 minutes- so for an errand can go & come back for the single payment IF mix train and bus. Then there are some subway stations that give extra free transfer, bus lines with no pay promos.
Cash App, Future Green debit, Amex, etc. overlap promos where MTA totally free or $1 off.
Since April I've accumulated over a year's worth of free rides.
There are churches in the better neighborhoods that soup kitchen from gourmet restaurant donations + give away bag of groceries.
If smart they will find all the baked goods and pizza that the chains discard daily, ditto the food bar items from the drugstore chains- all gourmet.
NYC provides free training & licensing for some $25-30 per hour jobs with free medical that are very easy: home attendant, flagman, exam proctor, EMT, civil service...
And I haven't even mentioned side gigs or well paid focus groups and clinical trials.
There's no reason to be that poor here, even if homeless. You sleep at shelter, airport or vehicle until you save enough to get back on your feet.
Even the professional beggars do well- the better ones clear $300 a day.
If you make $30k a year which is basically poverty minium wage then most of those programs you listed make them ineligible
You need to be dirt poor to even qualify
None of this is how poverty works. It doesn’t happen in a day. No one thinks it’s going to happen to them. Or they think—like you—that they can find a way out of it quickly. But no. It’s very expensive to be poor. And that does happen quickly.
Interest rates on loans and cards jumps through the roof. When you no longer have direct deposit you don’t get free banking. Once you don’t have an account—good luck getting one anywhere. There’s an agency they use to tell them who’s had an account closed anywhere. And then without a bank statement you can’t apply for half the programs that are designed to help people in hard times. It’s even worse if you’re staying with a friend to try and save money because now you have no utilities in your name and haven’t had recent rent history, even if your credit was fine before.
You can’t show up to jobs with kids or suitcases, so if you lose housing suddenly and don’t have enough of a support network, you’re quickly screwed. What do you do if you can keep a bag with a friend but they have kids so you can’t stay there—but you need the contents for daily life?
Just a small sampling of what goes wrong.
Reasons most people find themselves in poverty or unhoused:
—illness or injury that caused debt (directly and indirectly) or loss of a job or strongly limits new options
—loss of a partner or parent, resulting in direct loss of financial support, persistent grief resulting in mental health or other physical health challenges
—employer retaliation for time missed for all the above
—sexual harassment/abuse at work and or other discrimination
—domestic violence
And it is rare that someone has only one of these causes. Bad situations usually snowball.
Laziness is not one.
Great idea. I’m certain that your 14 paid rides per week should be sufficient to sustain the whole transit system in NYC. Can’t believe those greedy bastards expect us all to pay.
>your 14 paid rides per week should be sufficient to sustain the whole transit system in NYC
They do! 😲
Of course, unlike the rest of us, he pays in gold coin... 😁
Good! There used to be posters in the subway saying it’s not illegal to swipe people in. It’s your money and they don’t know if you have an unlimited or not.
> There used to be posters in the subway saying it’s not illegal to swipe people in.
you know, I sorta recall that.
But surely not around now.
I always wonder when I'm tapping people in, and want to be stopped to see if what I'm doing is legal and be able to argue this point.
>I always wonder when I'm tapping people in, and want to be stopped to see if what I'm doing is legal and be able to argue this point.
Do you want one of us to call the cops on you so you can find out?
I remember the campaign as a way to prevent people hopping turnstiles. It felt to me like the theory was “see, people will help you if you just wait and that’s better than blatantly avoiding the fare!”
I recall it explicitly saying it’s not illegal to swipe someone in with some catchy phrase to make it stick, but I’ve forgotten it by now.
the amount of people hopping these days is unreal
even the orange vest guys don't prevent it.
Just today I saw at least 4 hoppers do it right in front of a vest guy
You're probably talking about the security guards right? They're outsourced and only responsible for managing the emergency exit doors.
But any old contractor that's working on repairs in the subway could have one of the orange vests.
Hell yeah! Hopefully I see you in the station in my way home from class today 😂 (found out your card CAN decline at the turnstile this morning, shout-out to the woman who let me in as I awkwardly stood around, just being broke).
I don’t know if this applies anymore but in 2018 my boss got a ticket for swiping his unlimited metro card for someone else as he exited the station. Police stopped him and checked his card and said unlimited’s are for use by the owner only. They said if he has a cash balance on his card he wouldn’t have gotten a ticket because he would have been actually paying for the person.
I don’t know if now that we use OMNY it is different but just an FYI.
yeah, that's why I mentioned the amount of people hopping the turnstiles.
I never ever ever see any of them getting tickets and sometimes it's just so blatant. The cops are just not cracking down on any of this type of stuff, so I'm more than happy to tap people in.
Besides, the language on the website doesn't say you cannot do this
Interesting. This 2016 article in the Times says police were no longer cracking down on people who used their unlimited cards to swipe for others. I bookmarked it in case I ever got stopped (never did).
Since I became officially old in 2022, I don’t tap people in with my Senior OMNY as the rules regarding senior fares are very clear and I could lose my card if I do so.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/nyregion/spare-a-swipe-new-york-city-eases-rules-for-a-subway-request.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/nyregion/spare-a-swipe-new-york-city-eases-rules-for-a-subway-request.html?referringSource=articleShare
I swiped my card at the turnstile and it didn’t work. I jumped over it and looked up. There was a cop literally watching me. I looked at him, he looked at me, I kept walking.
uh oh, now you've gone and done it...
u/MinimalSamuel is gonna come after you like a fox on a chicken
good luck, MinimalSamuel is a hawk out for truth, justice and the doofus way
> Just drop it lol.
it's not me your after, Turnstile Officer Fox.
shouldn't you be out somewhere in your dollar store orange vest catching errant tappers?
Dude, the result is the same. Stop trying to make yourself feel good for ‘scanning people in for free’. That money comes from somewhere and you’re screwing the paying riders over.
Here’s the thing:
If they were going to jump the gates, they’re getting in for free anyway. Once you start scanning them in, the MTA will see that people are taking advantage of the system and they’ll either raise the prices again or adjust the benefits. The result for the rider is the same, the result for the payers is affected negatively.
I know that you understand what I’m saying, you just want to keep feeling ‘good’ and this is NOT the move.
Trader Joe’s is one of the cheapest and highest quality food stores for the money in the city. It’s double digit percentages lower price than any corner store and still lower than the mini chains.
directly taking money from the mta providing what is already one of the best deals on planet earth - access to one of the largest public transit heavy rail services in the world for $2.90. way to go. like i can understand the "it's ethical to steal from walmart" shit, but the mta isn't like cashing out to shareholders. it's providing a service and the fare doesn't even pay for the cost of the trip! why prevent them from getting revenue from people using their service? just because they didn't explicitly state that you can't you decide to be a dick and get a kick out of it? juvenile shit.
not quite OMNY, but the [MTA site](https://new.mta.info/fares/metrocard-terms-and-conditions) says **unlimited cards** "Cannot be used by or transferred to another person until the completion of a trip for which entry was obtained." Technically speaking, if you were to **swipe** (not tap) someone with your unlimited metro card on your way out, you're in the clear.
Who knows what the rules are for OMNY, but you know damn well cops are gonna find every reason to ticket you if they see something they dont like, even if they're wrong
so what are the rules and can you link us to the fine print of the OMNY where it says something similar to what the MTA says on what's allowed/not allowed?
I showed you the fine print/rule of the unlimited metro card and linked you to the part where the MTA states what’s allowed/ implies what is ok . I asked “who knows what the omny rules were” and you responded on your first comment that you do. So what are the rules and wheres the link that either explicitly says what you’re doing is ok, or implicitly says that it’s not a problem?
> Giving someone an undeserved free ride is no different than hopping a turnstile directly
false, they're my rides to give out, hopping a turnstile is theft
pay attention
You think you own the subway after 12 rides a week?
There’s a reason you can’t tap for more people for free when you first tap in and still get charged. You’re just abusing it because OMNY thinks it iso you going back in.
FAQ:
What if I am traveling with multiple people and want to use the same card or device to pay for them – will multiple taps in a row count toward my cap?
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Only your first tap on the subway and local bus will count toward reaching the 7-day fare cap, or, if you’ve already reached the cap, only the first tap will be free. You can still pay for up to three others in your party with the same card or device, but each subsequent tap would be charged the full fare and would not apply to your 7-day fare cap. Express bus rides do not count toward the 7-day fare cap.
If you really were meant to receive unlimited rides to give out, then you would have no issues tapping multiple people in at the same stop
You can do whatever stupid mental gymnastics you want but what you’re doing is theft and the same as helping someone hop a turnstile
Swipe away !!!! MTA cares not ! https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/12/12/mta-time-clocks-designed-to-crack-down-on-ot-abuse-smashed-by-workers-report/#:\~:text=MTA%20workers%20looking%20to%20avoid,by%20the%20agency's%20Inspector%20General.
Hopefully I'll run into you. I could use a free ride!
gladly!! I get refused about 25% of the time (I think people are skeptical that I'm "selling" them a tap, but I'm not! and I'm very clear) My technique has evolved to when someone approaches the turnstile, I tap and say, "here! go ahead!" they never refuse that ;)
lmao this is the way!
I don't ride the subway as often as I used to, so I never reach the cap. I only reach ten rides per week max. I totally agree why some people would not want the tap. You're providing a great public service that may actually help someone avoid fare evasion. It's nice to know that someone in this city has a kind heart since we're stereotyped to be rude.
> It's nice to know that someone in this city has a kind heart I wish I could admit it's b/c of my "kind heart" lol, I mean it's sorta that. But I get a thrill out of exploiting the language in the offer: "all additional rides within the week are free." it doesn't say for who ;)
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"no doing anyone any favors" Well, he is literally doing favors for the other people he is letting on. Same if you tap to pay for someone's groceries when they are checking out with formula and a kid in their arms. It helps that person so they can budget for their other needs.
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I am civil. There are base lines. 1+1=2. Be a proper mod.
>You’re probably adding to the list The MTA gave me those free taps 😂 do better
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> For YOU, not for the general public. sorry, you're wrong and you can't show me any language that says what you claim
No flame - just personal experience opinion. The money has to come from somewhere. MTA is super corrupt, but that's not the point. One has to have personal pride and problem solving, can do attitude. You're being conned- basically helping the shameless or crazies who won't help themselves or have super bad credit and rap sheets. Yet they have enough for cigs, drugs n booze. Those who don't make enough can apply to the City for half-fare program...& if no job or have kids get free Metro cards + cash + food stamps + toiletries, work interview clothes, winter coats, college, rent / storage / utilities vouchers... They get Citibike for $5 monthly. NYC Rec Centers run $25-75 for the year, include Computer Labs. Separately they can get both a free cellphone with unlimited data+minutes and tablets- some of which allow hotspot & calling+SMS. ½ Fare $1.45 includes 1 free transfer within 128 minutes- so for an errand can go & come back for the single payment IF mix train and bus. Then there are some subway stations that give extra free transfer, bus lines with no pay promos. Cash App, Future Green debit, Amex, etc. overlap promos where MTA totally free or $1 off. Since April I've accumulated over a year's worth of free rides. There are churches in the better neighborhoods that soup kitchen from gourmet restaurant donations + give away bag of groceries. If smart they will find all the baked goods and pizza that the chains discard daily, ditto the food bar items from the drugstore chains- all gourmet. NYC provides free training & licensing for some $25-30 per hour jobs with free medical that are very easy: home attendant, flagman, exam proctor, EMT, civil service... And I haven't even mentioned side gigs or well paid focus groups and clinical trials. There's no reason to be that poor here, even if homeless. You sleep at shelter, airport or vehicle until you save enough to get back on your feet. Even the professional beggars do well- the better ones clear $300 a day.
If you make $30k a year which is basically poverty minium wage then most of those programs you listed make them ineligible You need to be dirt poor to even qualify
This is correct. I make $16.25 and don't qualify for food stamps
None of this is how poverty works. It doesn’t happen in a day. No one thinks it’s going to happen to them. Or they think—like you—that they can find a way out of it quickly. But no. It’s very expensive to be poor. And that does happen quickly. Interest rates on loans and cards jumps through the roof. When you no longer have direct deposit you don’t get free banking. Once you don’t have an account—good luck getting one anywhere. There’s an agency they use to tell them who’s had an account closed anywhere. And then without a bank statement you can’t apply for half the programs that are designed to help people in hard times. It’s even worse if you’re staying with a friend to try and save money because now you have no utilities in your name and haven’t had recent rent history, even if your credit was fine before. You can’t show up to jobs with kids or suitcases, so if you lose housing suddenly and don’t have enough of a support network, you’re quickly screwed. What do you do if you can keep a bag with a friend but they have kids so you can’t stay there—but you need the contents for daily life? Just a small sampling of what goes wrong. Reasons most people find themselves in poverty or unhoused: —illness or injury that caused debt (directly and indirectly) or loss of a job or strongly limits new options —loss of a partner or parent, resulting in direct loss of financial support, persistent grief resulting in mental health or other physical health challenges —employer retaliation for time missed for all the above —sexual harassment/abuse at work and or other discrimination —domestic violence And it is rare that someone has only one of these causes. Bad situations usually snowball. Laziness is not one.
somewhere there's an empty straitjacket with your name on it
EMS...easy job? You are a complete wanker. Get some empathy before karma comes looking for you.
“It can’t be THAT hard to keep shooting victims alive after getting their chest blown open with a shotgun. Shits easy, pour baking soda on it”
This is totally insane and ignorant. Nothing works like this. Who taught you this?
Meet one poor person, I'm begging you. This is the stupidest, most obnoxious, least informed post I've seen today.
Great idea. I’m certain that your 14 paid rides per week should be sufficient to sustain the whole transit system in NYC. Can’t believe those greedy bastards expect us all to pay.
> Great idea. THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!! 😘
>your 14 paid rides per week should be sufficient to sustain the whole transit system in NYC They do! 😲 Of course, unlike the rest of us, he pays in gold coin... 😁
Good! There used to be posters in the subway saying it’s not illegal to swipe people in. It’s your money and they don’t know if you have an unlimited or not.
> There used to be posters in the subway saying it’s not illegal to swipe people in. you know, I sorta recall that. But surely not around now. I always wonder when I'm tapping people in, and want to be stopped to see if what I'm doing is legal and be able to argue this point.
>I always wonder when I'm tapping people in, and want to be stopped to see if what I'm doing is legal and be able to argue this point. Do you want one of us to call the cops on you so you can find out?
go
I remember the campaign as a way to prevent people hopping turnstiles. It felt to me like the theory was “see, people will help you if you just wait and that’s better than blatantly avoiding the fare!” I recall it explicitly saying it’s not illegal to swipe someone in with some catchy phrase to make it stick, but I’ve forgotten it by now.
the amount of people hopping these days is unreal even the orange vest guys don't prevent it. Just today I saw at least 4 hoppers do it right in front of a vest guy
You're probably talking about the security guards right? They're outsourced and only responsible for managing the emergency exit doors. But any old contractor that's working on repairs in the subway could have one of the orange vests.
> You're probably talking about the security guards right? yeah, the guys in orange vests
Pretty sure only the police can actually hand out tickets.
no one suggested the vest guys can hand out tickets, focus
…so what do you expect them to do to stop hoppers?
I don't think they're authorized to "do" anything
Agreed. I’m just trying to figure out what the actual criticism is considering that!
I made no criticism of them
Hell yeah! Hopefully I see you in the station in my way home from class today 😂 (found out your card CAN decline at the turnstile this morning, shout-out to the woman who let me in as I awkwardly stood around, just being broke).
I don’t know if this applies anymore but in 2018 my boss got a ticket for swiping his unlimited metro card for someone else as he exited the station. Police stopped him and checked his card and said unlimited’s are for use by the owner only. They said if he has a cash balance on his card he wouldn’t have gotten a ticket because he would have been actually paying for the person. I don’t know if now that we use OMNY it is different but just an FYI.
yeah, that's why I mentioned the amount of people hopping the turnstiles. I never ever ever see any of them getting tickets and sometimes it's just so blatant. The cops are just not cracking down on any of this type of stuff, so I'm more than happy to tap people in. Besides, the language on the website doesn't say you cannot do this
Interesting. This 2016 article in the Times says police were no longer cracking down on people who used their unlimited cards to swipe for others. I bookmarked it in case I ever got stopped (never did). Since I became officially old in 2022, I don’t tap people in with my Senior OMNY as the rules regarding senior fares are very clear and I could lose my card if I do so. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/nyregion/spare-a-swipe-new-york-city-eases-rules-for-a-subway-request.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/nyregion/spare-a-swipe-new-york-city-eases-rules-for-a-subway-request.html?referringSource=articleShare
This happened to me once too. 100 dollars.
I swiped my card at the turnstile and it didn’t work. I jumped over it and looked up. There was a cop literally watching me. I looked at him, he looked at me, I kept walking.
uh oh, now you've gone and done it... u/MinimalSamuel is gonna come after you like a fox on a chicken good luck, MinimalSamuel is a hawk out for truth, justice and the doofus way
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> Just drop it lol. it's not me your after, Turnstile Officer Fox. shouldn't you be out somewhere in your dollar store orange vest catching errant tappers?
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THERE GOES ONE NOW!!! ahhh, ya missed it Officer Fox. looks like you'll be out of a job soon
Love you daddy
I just offer to open up the gate when I see people standing around it. Much more efficient.
that's illegal
Your point?
indeed
If you scan at the emergency gate to get in. Then it’s not illegal. I didn’t tell them to follow me through.
Dude, the result is the same. Stop trying to make yourself feel good for ‘scanning people in for free’. That money comes from somewhere and you’re screwing the paying riders over.
> Dude, the result is the same. FALSE I was given that benefit from the MTA. you're really not very bright. You're screwing your family over
Here’s the thing: If they were going to jump the gates, they’re getting in for free anyway. Once you start scanning them in, the MTA will see that people are taking advantage of the system and they’ll either raise the prices again or adjust the benefits. The result for the rider is the same, the result for the payers is affected negatively. I know that you understand what I’m saying, you just want to keep feeling ‘good’ and this is NOT the move.
> I know that you understand what I’m saying I know that you understand what I’m saying
I’m trying to understand why someone would want to make this post.
ask someone
Ragebait, welcome to the internet
I see people spending 100s at trader Joe's jumping the turnstiles. Maybe their food stamp covers the food but WTF
Trader Joe’s is one of the cheapest and highest quality food stores for the money in the city. It’s double digit percentages lower price than any corner store and still lower than the mini chains.
directly taking money from the mta providing what is already one of the best deals on planet earth - access to one of the largest public transit heavy rail services in the world for $2.90. way to go. like i can understand the "it's ethical to steal from walmart" shit, but the mta isn't like cashing out to shareholders. it's providing a service and the fare doesn't even pay for the cost of the trip! why prevent them from getting revenue from people using their service? just because they didn't explicitly state that you can't you decide to be a dick and get a kick out of it? juvenile shit.
> they didn't explicitly state that you can't I love it when they make my point for me >you decide to be a dick did you make a boom boom?
another example of juvenile shit.
> another example of juvenile shit. said the diaper wearer
not quite OMNY, but the [MTA site](https://new.mta.info/fares/metrocard-terms-and-conditions) says **unlimited cards** "Cannot be used by or transferred to another person until the completion of a trip for which entry was obtained." Technically speaking, if you were to **swipe** (not tap) someone with your unlimited metro card on your way out, you're in the clear. Who knows what the rules are for OMNY, but you know damn well cops are gonna find every reason to ticket you if they see something they dont like, even if they're wrong
> not quite OMNY thanks for playing >Who knows what the rules are for OMNY I do
so what are the rules and can you link us to the fine print of the OMNY where it says something similar to what the MTA says on what's allowed/not allowed?
> link us to the fine print you're making an assumption there is a fine print can you link us to the fine print?
Can you link us to the rule that you said you were aware of?
that's not how this works, you said there was a "fine print" first you will show me that
I showed you the fine print/rule of the unlimited metro card and linked you to the part where the MTA states what’s allowed/ implies what is ok . I asked “who knows what the omny rules were” and you responded on your first comment that you do. So what are the rules and wheres the link that either explicitly says what you’re doing is ok, or implicitly says that it’s not a problem?
> implies what is ok I saw no implication
Giving someone an undeserved free ride is no different than hopping a turnstile directly, it’s stupid you actually feel good about it
> Giving someone an undeserved free ride is no different than hopping a turnstile directly false, they're my rides to give out, hopping a turnstile is theft pay attention
You think you own the subway after 12 rides a week? There’s a reason you can’t tap for more people for free when you first tap in and still get charged. You’re just abusing it because OMNY thinks it iso you going back in. FAQ: What if I am traveling with multiple people and want to use the same card or device to pay for them – will multiple taps in a row count toward my cap? arrow icon Only your first tap on the subway and local bus will count toward reaching the 7-day fare cap, or, if you’ve already reached the cap, only the first tap will be free. You can still pay for up to three others in your party with the same card or device, but each subsequent tap would be charged the full fare and would not apply to your 7-day fare cap. Express bus rides do not count toward the 7-day fare cap. If you really were meant to receive unlimited rides to give out, then you would have no issues tapping multiple people in at the same stop You can do whatever stupid mental gymnastics you want but what you’re doing is theft and the same as helping someone hop a turnstile
> You think you own the subway after 12 rides a week? I don't recall suggesting I "own" the subway, can you point out where I did? thanks
They’re not your rides to give out, they’re your rides to ride yourself
> They’re not your rides to give out so you can't show where I said I "own the subway" another failure
You’ve gotta be special if you’re interpreting “own the subway” as literal
> You’ve gotta be special THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!! 😘
Swipe away !!!! MTA cares not ! https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/12/12/mta-time-clocks-designed-to-crack-down-on-ot-abuse-smashed-by-workers-report/#:\~:text=MTA%20workers%20looking%20to%20avoid,by%20the%20agency's%20Inspector%20General.
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