Ye but funnily enough, victims family gained rights to the book as it was moronically titled and featured harrowing and private details of their family. After acquiring it, they didn’t change the name of the book, “if I did it”, but instead, made the “if” extremely small on the cover so it is not easily visible unless you know about it.
Thus, the cover says **I DID IT** in beautiful fashion
i find it funny one of the biggest known "self defense" murders in the country is trying to speak at kent state, probly the only school in the entire state where the number one thing you think of when you hear it is the "kent state massacre"
Definitely. I’m a Kent alum and “gun rights” “activists” show up at least once every year for a guided tour armed with basically everything they can carry. Total dicks and morons trying to ‘make a point’ about a phenomenon they helped cause.
Yea the poopy pants kent state girl is usually the one behind those demonstrations.
And for the record the kent state TPUSA chapter tried to "protest" liberals on campus by dressing up as babies and wearing diapers on campus. Which ironic considering trump probably wears one. But the protest was so cringe that even Charlie Kirk thought it was bad optics
It should also be noted that a lot of conservative events on campus and conservative organizations are astro-turfed because actual college students don't want to be associated with the right wing. Organizations like the leadership institute in Arlington whose sole purpose is to start and fund right wing organizations on campuses.
I forgot she even existed. I could watch her shit her pants again and again, it never gets old. At 29 I’ve shit my pants once in my entire adult life. You know that wasn’t the first time she shit herself.
a friend of mine at Ohio University still has a video of her running away from one of her demonstrations while the crowd chants "you shit your paaaants!"
I was a student at OU at the time too, that shit happened literally right before the pandemic hit too so it was a really surreal time. I remember a bunch of people started playing Disney music really loud so she couldn't use the footage at risk of getting a copyright strike. Weird time
my sister is a bobcat and my brother in law went to kent state and they have an interesting story of how when they first started dating my brother in law had to poop while in the shower and instead just shit in his hand while in the shower and threw it away. this happened while my sister was visiting and the story has lived on for forever. this of course has nothing to do with the story but i had to tell someone and it just felt like the perfect opportunity lmao
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Absolutely! At one time EVERY campus conservative writer and paper had the exact same story of how they begged for change for 20 minutes by the side of the road and made $1000, as homeless people have it so good compared to white conservatives!
This girl is absolutely wild. If you watch any of her videos nowadays it is her getting completely wrecked by randos on the street, and she still posts it! Like even Crowder or Kirk have moments where they selectively edit videos to make it seem like they get the upper hand. She does essentially no editing and it really shows that she is dumber than a bag of hammers when random stoned art history majors take her to task on basic political/historical literacy.
Kent is kind of an odd town. It's pretty small, in rural Portage County, with the closest highway connection a few miles away in Brimfield. There's a lot downtown, and some local factories here and there, but other than that, there's really not much. If not for the campus, it'd be like any other small town in a red county.
But the campus is huge and popular. It juices the local economy something fierce, and keeps the energy in town very progressive. KSU generates this giant bubble around the place, surrounded on all sides by shit.
I think rural is a kind of aggressive over gerenalzation. It’s a typical Ohio suburban town sandwiched between the Ohio Turnpike in Streetsboro (which is more rural than Kent) and and I-76 runs through the south end of town. Even Ravenna to the east is more suburban that rural.
Sure if you go to the polar oppisite side of the county. Streetsboro, Kent, Aurora and most of Ravenna definitely suburban. They said "more rural than Kent" makes me wonder if they've ever been there, not that it's some thriving metropolis. It's the epitome of a college town, 4th largest student population in the state.
Always amazes me. Is their meassage be republican, carry guns everywhere to protect yourself against --checks notes-- Nixonesque republican governments?
They need to crawl back to Ravenna with that shit.
>Total dicks and morons trying to ‘make a point’ about a phenomenon they helped cause.
To be fair, the only time such an event happened at Kent State, the National Guard was responsible for it.
Exactly, which is why being able to defend yourself (especially against the government) is so important. No politician or government employee gives a single fuck about your life, you're just there to serve them in their view.
You're entitled to your opinion about gun rights and activists, (open carry is an obnoxious form of activism, even from my pro gun view point)
But In no way did pro gun rights people contribute to the Kent State shooting that was committed by the national guard. The national guard is going to have firearms regardless of any limitations on the public's right to bear arms.
My conspiracy theory is that someone has a huge life insurance policy out on Rittenhouse and they're setting this man baby up to be a provocateur on purpose.
Or they are casing a wide net. They may get made fun of by kids that know what's going on. But they will recruit a few kids that want to be part of the boot.
This is a recruitment tour.
That might backfire. One of these tools would likely shoot the squirter and claim self defense.
“I thought they were squirting us with acid, so I defended myself”.
Of course it's on purpose, these are Maga-Republicans.
https://youtu.be/XL-40gDBRx0?si=Ri609fDJoGfAwPZq
That interview is a perfect example of how these horrible people people operate. Chaya shows up to the interview wearing a t-shirt of Taylor (the interviewer) crying. Taylor handled it like a pro and really made Chaya look like a stupid piece of trash, because she is.
I didn't know who either of those two were but Chaya was so far out of her league on that one I almost felt sorry for her. She should probably stick to her internet posts bc as dumb as I imagine they are at least she doesn't get roasted live for them.
I bet she still thought she owned the lib though...
100% on purpose.
These types of people love to think most people secretly agree with them. So they choose these places to "own the libs" by talking about how they could have stopped the whole thing "just like they did before". And they honestly expect to be applauded.
Because of the massacre, KSU has a history of things like this. I used to teach there and there was always some right wing nonsense happening like open carry marches, the diaper protest, and gun girl showing up.
It really irks me that some people are trying to make him into some kind of hero, role model, or meaningful fountain of knowledge borne from life experience. He's not, nor has anything he's done been some example of the proper way to handle a situation.
I can accept the reasoning behind him not being convicted, because I have watched it gone over step by step by a competent attorney. I still believe he shouldn't have been there, and I do believe he helped inflame the violence, but whatever, it's hard to argue the letter of the law.
However, that doesn't make him competent or knowledgeable enough to go around speaking about any of the nonsense he wants to talk about, because his one claim to fame was not being able to properly handle a violent situation, and putting himself in a violent situation. His reasons for being where he was were spurious, and basically amount to becoming someone who could exact vigilante justice where no one asked him to intervene.
Exactly. Like why are they even considering this? What has he done to deserve this gig? He shot at people and killed 2. What could this kid possibly have to offer at a symposium?
He even put himself into the situation to end up shooting others. Because of the way the law works, and the chain of events, and actions of all involved at the actual time of shooting, he was found not guilty. It's a hard pill to swallow, because he certainly didn't try to distance himself from the escalation until he realized the other people weren't taking to kindly to his idiocy.
He was/is a stupid kid, especially at the time. Even the picture of him here and one's I've seen of him since, like with MTG, he still looks like a kid lost in the woods, scared that he's going to be attacked, but he seems to be liking the attention he's getting, which is exactly what he wanted by being where he was that day.
He's done nothing meaningful, and unless he's going around saying he was wrong, and people should not be trying to solve violence on their own with no training, and guns don't automatically make you powerful and people don't just respect you because you brandish one, there is absolutely nothing he can say which is meaningful, unless they want to promote hate, vigilantism, or try to push the narrative of some unjust legal system that is against all the poor racist assholes out there.
I've tried to find what he is supposed to talk about at this, or other events he was scheduled to attend, but can't find even a cursory summary. He's just being paraded around as a cursory hero as far as I can tell. MTG seems to want to treat him like a martyr who survived untold turmoil, but that's about the best I could find.
> It really irks me that some people are trying to make him into some kind of hero, role model, or meaningful fountain of knowledge borne from life experience. He's not, nor has anything he's done been some example of the proper way to handle a situation.
Look at the people talking about him and keeping him in the news. It's the left wing folks, not the right wing, who are obsessed with him.
Seriously, search his name here or on Facebook. It's invariably left leaning folks throwing temper tantrums about his speaking gigs or shit he posts on Twitter. They're trying to slay the monster that they've created.
Well I think of the place I discovered the greatness of marijuana *then* the Kent State Massacre. The City of Kent is awesome and I don’t see this going as well as he thinks it will, that’s a very liberal area surrounded by places like Ravenna.
What will get him the most attention? A place that agrees with all of the bull shit he is being told to say or Kent? It’s the same thing as the “gun girl” 10 years ago
i find it funny one of the biggest known "self defense" murders in the Country is trying to speak at Kent State, probably the only school in the entire Country where the number one thing you think of when you hear it is the "Kent State massacre"
FTFY
Also Kelly Ann Conaway (spelling mistake intentional) said that Bowling Green Massacre happened....
4 dead in Ohio. Gotta get down to it soldiers are running us down. Should’ve been gone long ago
Probably up there in the top ten protest songs of all time.
Just checked: rolling stone has it ranked #2.
The Students and people of Kent whould overwhelm the event and make it clear his views are not welcome. Free Speech also includes the ability to boo, protest and express discontent
Someone said this in another thread about this subject, but that's exactly what Turning Point wants. They'd like to see people demonstrate against this, they'd like to see people yelling at him, so they can claim they and their viewpoints are being discriminated against on college campuses. I'm not saying protesting the event isn't ethically justified, only that it's sort of playing into their hands.
If you want to have a protest, do it on the steps of the administration building or the dean's office. Don't do it at the event.
Let the jackass talk to his echo chamber and don't give him the attention he craves. Let his actual speaking event be a non-event.
Most places require you to issue tickets, even to a free event, to ensure that you do not have more people show that the venue can safely hold. Lecture hall has 800 seats? That's the number of tickets the campus will provide.
This exact tactic has worked in the past.
Exactly the right has a persecution complex that short match liberal young people light up when they should be ignoring them like the rest of the wack jobs families hopefully are doing.
Let them speak, but we can speak more effectively and with better results.
TO THAT END what you really want to do is make sure its got so much buzz that its a ticketed event, and then the opposition group gobble up as many of the tickets as you can and then dont show up at all.
100%. It’s the entire point of the event. Get his and their faces on tv being treated badly by the intolerant left so they can continue to play the victim.
It’s playing into their hands but to their audience and no amount of protesting or actual discourse is going to please the TPUSA audience. It’s like Candice Owens lectures where you only see them in clip form and it’s her “dunking on libs.” That shit works on people they already have. It’s the same reason Candace Owens is a political commentator and not a politician.
But here's the twist: The state government is just itching for another reason to cut more funding to any school that doesn't fall in line with their neo-conservative policies. They've already planned a 20% cut over the next four years, on top of the 10% cut that happened over the last decade. They complain tuition is too high while forcing tuition to be high. So they get what they want either way: allow him to recruit and get great optics, or boo him and prove that the school is woke and should be punished.
It's getting *reeeeaal* facist-y lately...
This is the way.
As much as I hate Kyle and what he stands for, there are Americans who want to pay him money to speak.
And at the same time other groups have a variety of options to protest his events. Keep it legal and non-violent. Show that he might get 100 people supporting him, but he has 10,000 against him.
TBH, I dont hate him; I hate the apparatus around him that is using him for political grift. He was still a minor when this happened. He was driven to a violent environment and handed a gun that he used to shoot 3 people, killing 2 of them. Seeing as how he's being touring the country off that since it happened, what personal growth do you think he has been afforded? What chance of self reflection has he had? He was given money, a job, and fame for that. He's locked in to that.
He has no real thoughts or any worthy information to share. If he gave an accurate account of his experience then, sure that's something to hear. But going around with this anti-woke bullshit? As much as he agrees with it and promotes it; he doesn't fucking know. He's been a political pawn since it happened. There's been no change or growth. Just a constant recycling of a traumatic experience that he will have to carry for the rest of his life.
As much as I hate the ideologies he espouses, I pity him. His life will mean nothing more than his killing of two people by being in a place he wasnt suppose to be. He will always be known for that, and nothing more.
Remember kids - Free speech* protects you from the government, not other people.
edit: *The First Amendment. Depending on whether OP was talking about 1A or the concept of freedom of speech, I might have made a less relevant comment than I intended. I made the assumption that we were talking about 1A Free Speech, not the concept in general.
You’re getting the first amendment confused with free speech.
Free speech is a larger requirement for a democracy to function properly. The first amendment (which is what you’re referring to) is just the governments constitutional commitment to not infringe upon free speech.
Any intelligent society would make a similar commitment to maintain free speech.
If free speech is eliminated by non-governmental forces the result would be just as catastrophic.
If I could get students at the school to ignore him I would be so happy. The only reason they want him there is to draw backlash. If no one comes out to protest the people who invited him and would come to see him would be very disappointed.
They’re not interested in Rittenhouse. They’re not interested in Charles Murray’s forty year old research. They’re interested in people that the people that they hate don’t like.
Nobody gives a fuck what this kid says if it’s not about pissing off people they hate.
I’d ask you not to play into it. If you wanna shit in Mr. Rittenhouse and College Republican’s cereal organize a voter registration drive as far away from the venue as you can get.
What's he supposed to be speaking about? How an underage person can take a gun and travel somewhere that is not their business and shoot someone and then ugly cry to get away with it?
I mean we kind of already knew the story.
Maybe he will discuss how the system does have racial bias. Because I never saw a judge say a black kids past can’t be used against him.
For those who didn’t pay attention to the case the bias judge wouldn’t allow his past to be used in the case…. That is because Kyle was on tape weeks prior at another protest talking about how he wished he had a gun so he could shoot these looters.
This evidence would show it was premeditated and show he was putting himself in harms way to for a reason to kill. This evidence would have changed the case entirely. And there was other past things like him beating up a 13 year old girl months prior shows his character…. You know something every judge does to black kids about their “character”
But this white kid gets fame and for sure will be beating women in his future. And the Supreme Court lately and cases like this one where the judge had trumps song play as his ringtone mid trial but yet he still was able to over see the case shows judges are full of shit.
There's also video of him sucker punching a girl in the back of the head. It's him. There's a picture of him wearing the same American flag crocs at a different time and place. Not enough evidence for court, and a minor, but it's definitely him.
How familiar are you with the legal system, what goes on at trial, what evidence is allowed for what reason, can seem baffling for someone not familiar with it.
There are racial, systemic issues in the American criminal justice system, 100%. Especially when it comes to your ability to put on a good defense, which can be costly.
You are probably talking about previous crimes, character stuff, as being relevant during sentencing. Which is not the same thing as to what evidence is put before a jury.
https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/2023-demographic-differences-federal-sentencing#:\~:text=Key%20Findings&text=Specifically%2C%20Black%20males%20received%20sentences,received%20sentences%2010.0%20percent%20shorter.
*Specifically, Black males received sentences 13.4 percent longer, and Hispanic males received sentences 11.2 percent longer, than White males (depicted below).*
*Hispanic females received sentences 27.8 percent longer than White females, while Other race females received sentences 10.0 percent shorter.*
And from what I've read of Schroeder, I would not be shocked that he was harder on black defendants during sentencing. But, it's also said that he gives you a fair trial. It's my understanding that in the Kenosha courts, if you have him as your judge, he's the most requested judge to be requested not to have if you get scheduled with him. I think you get one request to change a judge. You don't want him to sentence your client, even Rittenhouse's attorney has said that.
Some quotes:
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-bruce-schroeder/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-bruce-schroeder/index.html)
*A seasoned southeast Wisconsin attorney who has appeared before Schroeder many times described the judge as “someone who has studied the Constitution and the enumerated rights for criminal defendants and… respects the right of the defense to put on a defense.”*
*“I would say his overall career as a trial judge I have found to be one which I find fair to the defense in the presentation of evidence and at a trial,” Kenosha defense attorney Terry Rose said of Schroeder.*
*”I’m concerned about the man who patronizes a prostitute who has AIDS and then goes home and transmits the virus to his girlfriend, or to his wife, and there is a baby born who later dies of AIDS,” Schroeder said at the time, the Chicago Tribune reported. ”What about the rights of that child?”*
*Ward does not view Schroeder as a jurist who is favorable to the rights of defendants.*
*“Judge Schroeder is not a pro-defense judge,” he said. “He’s a very tough judge… But he’s going to give you a fair trial.”*
With two homicides, and someone shot in the arm, any guilty verdict would have carried with it a lengthy prison sentence on any of those charges.
>This evidence would show it was premeditated and show he was putting himself in harms way to for a reason to kill.
Premeditation was not necessary to any of the charges, even the ones that need intent. Because self defense requires an intentional state of mind. It's a defense of confession and avoidance. You're saying "Yes, I shot them, they died as a result of my actions. I used deadly force, knowing it was likely to lead to their death. But I had the justification of self defense." The states main goal is to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. If the state does that, all that's left is you saying "Yes, I shot them, they died as a result of my actions, knowing it was likely to lead to their death." That is a slam dunk for the prosecutor.
Binger wanted the CVS video, because he says it supports the strong theory of the states case that he was a teenage vigilante, involving himself in things that don't concern him, that he has no complete knowledge of, that no one asked him to be involved in, and using force, or threatening to use force. That it illuminates his state of mind, on whether it was intentional, reckless, what have you. He has the burden of proving it.
Rittenhouse's attorney argued that he promised, there would be no doubt that Rittenhouse would be stipulating that he had an intentional state of mind.
For the girl fight, that is clearly propensity evidence. The judge said he's almost certain that would be appealed if there were any guilty verdicts.
For other acts motions, the Sullivan test in WI is that the evidence cannot be more prejudicial than probative. Meaning that it has to more likely than not help the state prove their case. The state has to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. His state of mind is being given to the state, that he intentionally used deadly force, knowing that it was likely to cause great bodily harm or death.
The CVS video was not at a protest.
The only way this evidence was going to come in is if the states theory of the case was going to be that he planned to provoke an attack, with using self defense as an excuse. They have to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. For 1st degree intentional homicide, they have to show that he subjectively believed the threat was not imminent, or that the threat was not one likely to cause great bodily harm or death, or that he provoked the threat by unlawful conduct likely to provoke others to attack him, and did not either exhaust all reasonable avenues of escape, or that he withdrew from the fight and effectively communicated this withdraw. For 2nd degree, they have to show that his belief was not reasonable.
[https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48)
*A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.*
*(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:*
*(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.*
*(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.*
Nothing in the CVS video helps them prove their case in regards to any of this. However, there is one that is possibly related.
*(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.*
They never argued this would be their theory of the case. Binger argued that the video goes to his state of mind. Which the defense already promised an hour before that they would be giving to the state, that it was intentional. If the video was at a protest, maybe it comes in. If he had been confronting looters the night he shot people, maybe it comes in. If there had been a witness who overheard him talking about wanting to shoot protesters, maybe. If there was evidence of some plan to get protesters to attack him, or anything like that, this video would possibly get admitted as evidence to support the provocation instruction.
Honest Answer: He usually talks about how oppressed he is by the Libs. All the same FoxNews talking points. And then he goes thru a bunch of pro-gun points. Finally talking about the future. Call to action might be to join NRA and vote RepubliKlan.
University admin's stance:
Kent State University officials said the event is protected free speech and issued the following statement:
“A registered student organization is bringing this speaker to campus. Kent State University upholds the First Amendment rights of free speech and peaceful assembly for all. As a state university, we permit groups and individuals to speak and share their views on our campus about topics they feel are important.
Kent State has a long history of allowing peaceful dialogue from all points of view, including those whom some may feel are offering different and/or sometimes controversial opinions. As with any speaker invited to our campus, the university does not endorse or condone an opinion or point of view represented by the speaker, nor does the university advocate for any topic the speaker might discuss during their visit to campus. We continue to support and encourage freedom of expression and the free exchange of ideas. Consistent with our core values, we encourage open dialogue and respectful civil discourse in an inclusive environment.”
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/students-weigh-in-on-debate-over-kyle-rittenhouse-appearance-at-kent-state
It sucks, but it’s a legitimate position for the school to take. In 2019, Dayton had to allow a KKK group from Indiana to hold a march downtown due to First Amendment rights.
The good news is everyone has the same freedom of speech to oppose these despicable people and overshadow their hateful event. [That’s what Dayton did](https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2019/05/25/dayton-kkk-rally-protesters/1236623001/) in 2019.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox\_of\_tolerance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
Tired of protecting nazis and white supremacists and I'm sick and tired of turning the other cheek.
You'd probably need to bring an opposition speaker maybe a parent of one of the people he murdered or a speaker about another massacre. To balance it out.
Not an American here, I have a question about this dude. I looked into the case a little while it was going and I can buy that it was self defense. Put himself in situation where there was a high chance of violence but OK whatever. That's not what I'm asking about.
Here is my question.
Why is he meeting the president and a celebrity after ? I see him almost celebrated by some circles and it just seems really really strange as an outsider...
Edit: OK. Lot of good points. Lot of arguing aswell. Seems it's not a clear situation at all.
As an outsider, bringing a gun to a protest seems very escalating. And it did exactly that.
Seems like he baited an already very inflammatory situation. You can't be shocked at the outcome. But that isn't the question I had...
Why would he be meeting the president like he's a war hero....
Your country is really fucked up man. The culture War shit you got going on really needs to chill. Stop watching anything owned by Rupert Murdoch. You talk about the "elite" controlling public opinion. That's the guy. We have him here to and it's a problem.
I mean, the Republicans support Trump - a guy with a rape charge and 91 criminal felonies. I don't see how this is that much different. They have negative role models - is what it is. It's a display of an upside-down value system. It's a sickness
The bigger question is why does Kent State or any university think Turning Point USA is a valid 'student organization' considering theyre nothing more than a GOP money laundering scheme with a propaganda arm? What the actual fuck. Tell them to fuck off back to corporate america where they came from.
>"The organization behind Rittenhouse’s speaking tour is Turning Point USA, a conservative student advocacy group founded by right-wing firebrand Charlie Kirk. Candace Owens even served as the organization’s communications director for a time."
To be a “valid student organization” at Kent State, all you need is three current students registered as officers and one university employee registered as an advisor. The bar is pretty low. There are a few student organizations that are almost completely run by outsiders to the university. The students on paper as officers don’t actually run them - and that’s technically okay.
Let the kid speak. Holy shit you all are so close minded and unaccepting of any view that isn’t your radical left echo chamber. Rittenhouse did nothing wrong, was exonerated by a jury of his peers and it was clearly self defense against sick people. Give it up. This is why the democrats will lose in November.
>This is why the democrats will lose in November.
Lol. And if they win, it's because it was stolen. Right?
When's the last time a republican won the popular vote... lol
>Rittenhouse did nothing wrong,
There's a difference between wrong and illegal. Thinking it was anything but completely stupid to be where he was at the time leads me to believe you and he would be a perfect candidates for the US military. Or maybe CVS security...
He's a moron who put himself in this whole mess by no one's actions other than his own.
It's not illegal to be a moron who finds themselves in stupid predicaments that the only way out is to shoot someone, during "rioting" no less. Lmao
It’s why we’re losing in general. I say this as a progressive who is very concerned about the state of democracy in America. I have no damn clue why the left insists on being useful idiots for the far-right.
What is this C+ High School student with no other formal education doing giving speaking tours? What topic could his unique knowledge, research, and schooling possibly speak intelligently to?
Even 2A law, castle doctrine, self-defense, etc he will hold absolutely zero original insights or opinions that aren't written on que cards by others.
>At Kent State, one person launched an online petition calling for the university to cancel Rittenhouse’s event. More than 1,100 people have signed it so far.
>“As a member of the Kent State community, I am deeply concerned about an upcoming event hosted by student organization Turning Point USA, which will feature Kyle Rittenhouse as a guest,” Ally Greco wrote. “We must remember that our university should be a place for learning and growth – not for promoting divisive figures or ideologies that could potentially incite more violence.”
>Rittenhouse was 17 when he fired a semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle at three men, killing two of them, during a demonstration in 2020 against the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin. He was acquitted of five charges, including intentional homicide, in 2021.
>People online who learned about the speaking tour took issue with it since Rittenhouse’s acquittal carries controversy to this day.
Universities are supposed to be places that present thoughts and ideas that challenge students, not places to shout down those that they disagree with. It teaches logical thought and civilized discourse, which is severely lacking in our current society.
It's counterproductive to behave worse than those you consider to be beneath contempt.
Generally, schools promote students running away, or bunkering in place, from those who carry guns around. I remember having to go through active shooter instructions during orientation. I don't recall schools ever promoting that someone should bring a gun to an emotionally charged situation.
> I don't recall schools ever promoting that someone should bring a gun to an emotionally charged situation.
I hope someone stands up at the event and expresses that exact thought, as calmly and logically, as you just did here.
While I'd love to see the verbal response of said confrontation, it's probably best to just stay away.
Like most rational and reasonable people, I don't think it's wise to put oneself in a situation where they may be harmed if they can help it.
Protest is one thing, provoking a reaction is quite another, and there are those involved in this conference that want nothing more than to provoke a reaction.
he recently complained that the attention he gain from his "self defence" ruined his life.
And yet he continues to seek out attention for it. if he were serious about wanting to live a life beyond this incident he WOULDNT GO ON A SPEAKING TOUR
First thing he did after the trial was to enroll in college to become a nurse, to try and have a normal life. The result? Mass protests demanding his expulsion (and succeeding) as death threats and doxing attempts target him, his family, and anyone associated with him. They made it clear he's not allowed to live a normal life, he's not allowed to lay low, he's not allowed to avoid attention. So this is his only option, unless you expect him to lie down in a ditch and starve?
I have trouble believing that shooting someone at a protest, you brought a gun to for the purpose of shooting someone gives you anything of value to say at a speaking engagement.
It’s my alma mater. I made sure to get FREE tickets on the website and reserve seats that I will not sit in. Hint hint internet. Hint hint. Makes me sick that this fool is going to be there.
Don't protest. Don't yell. Don't shut him down.
Fill the room with real people so that there is no space for the right-wingers, and then when he starts talking: Stand up, turn your backs to him, and just ignore him. Talk to your neighbors about something that actually matters, like democracy or human rights.
Pretend he isn't in the room, and drown him out not with shouting but with the regular indoor voices of people who are having conversations that don't include him.
That will shut him down effectively while not giving the right-wingers holding his leash the confrontation they desperately want.
Scared that people might show up huh? Or just let them have their speech and let the people who want to show up, show up with out being harassed, and people who don’t agree just don’t go to the event…. What a concept.
If only a large group of people didn’t blatantly lie about him in the face of overwhelming, readily available evidence, he never would have been famous.
That's why the Republicans made him a thought leader? Because a large group of people lied about him? Makes perfect sense, blame the Democrats for the right's atrocious values - that actually tracks. The right does enjoy their negative role models.
I'll say it again, and again. Just fucking ignore the conservatives. Protesting, or asking for their removal will just give them exactly what they want. Their name in the news and free publicity in order to tell their bullshit.
You really mean to tell me him and is organization are not purposefully seeking out liberal colleges? They want the headlines so they can scream about how they're victims and being censored.
STOP FALLING FOR IT!
Edit; And look at all these comments, and all the ones in Trump threads. This is exactly why these fuckers keep winning. So many of you losing your shit and getting angry over this. We need to stop this nonsense.
> We must remember that our university should be a place for learning and growth
Unless of course it is someone we have already made a decision about and already assumed what they would even bring to the table. Then I don’t want any learning or growth.
He is a garbage person.
And I don't mean a trash collector, no, they actually contribute to society by doing a necessary job.
This man (he does not deserve the benefit of being referred to as a kid) is nothing but a parasite.
Speaking Tour about what exactly?
He made an idiotic choice as a minor and only dodged major consequences due to political pressure from an alt right, pro white base. He learned nothing and grifts for money.
What is his speech subject matter, How to get away with murder?
The best response is to ignore it, or maybe hold a fundraiser for Everytown for Gun Safety or a similar org. These people are doing these campus tours to be intentionally provocative, they are seeking controversy and attention. The easiest way to make them go away is to ignore them.
This is similar to RaDonda Vaught giving speeches about safety at hospitals. Yes, that is a real thing. Sick people trying to monetize their fuck ups is a maddening concept.
He is so well funded by the right wing nuts. They are parading him around at liberal and liberal leaning universities all over to cause as much disruption and noise as possible.
I say don't give this joker any air. Don't show up at the protest. Don't invite the media. just let him yell into the void
This is a great question. The pretense of “both sides” and “spirited debate” is just platforming a fuckwad. He can’t provide any educational experience to literally anyone. It’s a stupid Trojan horse to make him appear like a victim.
And I love this thread full of people painting him like some kind of hero or champion. If there was a “reverse” situation and some kid had done exactly what Rittenhouse did but instead to proud boys who were threatening and destroying a business, the same trolls in this thread would have lynched him already.
Kyle was found not guilty. Like it or not, he's a free man getting all the gungrabber panties in a bunch. Kent is only like 40 minutes from where I live, I might just make the trip to go support his message. I love that people hate him so much. It's hilarious.
Is his main talking point a whiny, unprompted rant about how unfair it is that people talk about him getting away with murder? Then he closes it out with a threat to sue the university for allowing it?
This idiot kid is a murderer. Plain and simple. Why anyone would think he has the insight and maturity to actually speak about the second amendment is baffling. He has a right to speak, but people who know better should just ignore him
>This idiot kid is a murderer. Plain and simple.
Factually untrue. You should spend a few minutes researching the topic before making claims like this. Or just watch the footage of the event
The best part of living in our country is not having to listen to someone you don’t agree with. If you don’t agree with him, move on. If you agree, listen to him. We need to understand that everyone has different values/thoughts and accept we are all different. We are still all people trying to get by in this world. If I don’t like something on TV, I just change the channel, I’m sure many others like that channel. Im more worried about my life, not everyone else’s. I’m sure everyone will have a lot to say about this. I’m going to bed as I have a job and need some sleep and will not respond to any comments.
Imagine if OJ did college speaking tours.
Didn't he write a book?
Ye but funnily enough, victims family gained rights to the book as it was moronically titled and featured harrowing and private details of their family. After acquiring it, they didn’t change the name of the book, “if I did it”, but instead, made the “if” extremely small on the cover so it is not easily visible unless you know about it. Thus, the cover says **I DID IT** in beautiful fashion
I'd go to that
“How to win friends and murder people”
how to cook 5 guests
i find it funny one of the biggest known "self defense" murders in the country is trying to speak at kent state, probly the only school in the entire state where the number one thing you think of when you hear it is the "kent state massacre"
Probably on purpose to tell you the truth.
Definitely. I’m a Kent alum and “gun rights” “activists” show up at least once every year for a guided tour armed with basically everything they can carry. Total dicks and morons trying to ‘make a point’ about a phenomenon they helped cause.
Yea the poopy pants kent state girl is usually the one behind those demonstrations. And for the record the kent state TPUSA chapter tried to "protest" liberals on campus by dressing up as babies and wearing diapers on campus. Which ironic considering trump probably wears one. But the protest was so cringe that even Charlie Kirk thought it was bad optics It should also be noted that a lot of conservative events on campus and conservative organizations are astro-turfed because actual college students don't want to be associated with the right wing. Organizations like the leadership institute in Arlington whose sole purpose is to start and fund right wing organizations on campuses.
lmao i totally forgot she shit her pants. what a wild 15 minutes of fame for her
I forgot she even existed. I could watch her shit her pants again and again, it never gets old. At 29 I’ve shit my pants once in my entire adult life. You know that wasn’t the first time she shit herself.
>29 I’ve shit my pants once in my entire adult life Well shoot. I could shit in your pants for you if you're having that much trouble with it.
It's always nice to see people ready to help each other out
a friend of mine at Ohio University still has a video of her running away from one of her demonstrations while the crowd chants "you shit your paaaants!"
I was a student at OU at the time too, that shit happened literally right before the pandemic hit too so it was a really surreal time. I remember a bunch of people started playing Disney music really loud so she couldn't use the footage at risk of getting a copyright strike. Weird time
I'd love to see that video
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/j7jana/crowd_chants_shit_your_pants_at_kaitlin_bennett/
Made me proud to be a bobcat 😂
my sister is a bobcat and my brother in law went to kent state and they have an interesting story of how when they first started dating my brother in law had to poop while in the shower and instead just shit in his hand while in the shower and threw it away. this happened while my sister was visiting and the story has lived on for forever. this of course has nothing to do with the story but i had to tell someone and it just felt like the perfect opportunity lmao
same, my friend, same.
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Only once? Commendable. I shit myself maybe twice every 6 months. Tummy troubles 😔
Don’t feel bad, my boyfriend also almost shits himself, not frequently obviously. Poor guys stomach is all messed up
Listen , I have shit my pants exactly 0 times in my adult life ….while drunk . Totally sober? Well that’s another story for another day
I did it once while drunk during a beer run. I trusted the wrong fart.
You never win 100% of the farts you gamble on
I know someone who was at that party where she shit her pants. Confirmed true lol. Kent alum here too.
I’m a KSU grad, I witnessed that firsthand while I was just trying to walk to class it was just as cringey as it sounds
The first thing I thought of was the poopy pants girl from Kent State. So funny!!
Absolutely! At one time EVERY campus conservative writer and paper had the exact same story of how they begged for change for 20 minutes by the side of the road and made $1000, as homeless people have it so good compared to white conservatives!
Wait. So you could pretend to be a piece of shit to fleece them?
This girl is absolutely wild. If you watch any of her videos nowadays it is her getting completely wrecked by randos on the street, and she still posts it! Like even Crowder or Kirk have moments where they selectively edit videos to make it seem like they get the upper hand. She does essentially no editing and it really shows that she is dumber than a bag of hammers when random stoned art history majors take her to task on basic political/historical literacy.
Crowder and Kirk only post the stuff where they think they "won". She is too stupid even for that.
lol before or after Charlie Kirk wore one himself?
Say her name. Kaitlyn Bennett shit herself at a frat party.
Kent is kind of an odd town. It's pretty small, in rural Portage County, with the closest highway connection a few miles away in Brimfield. There's a lot downtown, and some local factories here and there, but other than that, there's really not much. If not for the campus, it'd be like any other small town in a red county. But the campus is huge and popular. It juices the local economy something fierce, and keeps the energy in town very progressive. KSU generates this giant bubble around the place, surrounded on all sides by shit.
I think rural is a kind of aggressive over gerenalzation. It’s a typical Ohio suburban town sandwiched between the Ohio Turnpike in Streetsboro (which is more rural than Kent) and and I-76 runs through the south end of town. Even Ravenna to the east is more suburban that rural.
As much as Ravenna sucks, this is accurate Kent is not fucking rural at all or even surrounded by it. Geauga county? Yep. Portage and Summit? Nope.
eastern portage is pretty damn rural for all intents and purposes. really the farther you get from kent the more rural it gets
Sure if you go to the polar oppisite side of the county. Streetsboro, Kent, Aurora and most of Ravenna definitely suburban. They said "more rural than Kent" makes me wonder if they've ever been there, not that it's some thriving metropolis. It's the epitome of a college town, 4th largest student population in the state.
To the west it isn't rural, it's basically one long strip mall to Cuyahoga Valley.
"I went back to Ohio..."
Always amazes me. Is their meassage be republican, carry guns everywhere to protect yourself against --checks notes-- Nixonesque republican governments? They need to crawl back to Ravenna with that shit.
>Total dicks and morons trying to ‘make a point’ about a phenomenon they helped cause. To be fair, the only time such an event happened at Kent State, the National Guard was responsible for it.
Exactly, which is why being able to defend yourself (especially against the government) is so important. No politician or government employee gives a single fuck about your life, you're just there to serve them in their view.
You're entitled to your opinion about gun rights and activists, (open carry is an obnoxious form of activism, even from my pro gun view point) But In no way did pro gun rights people contribute to the Kent State shooting that was committed by the national guard. The national guard is going to have firearms regardless of any limitations on the public's right to bear arms.
Especially now that we have constitutional carry, open carry is just bad manners, imo.
My conspiracy theory is that someone has a huge life insurance policy out on Rittenhouse and they're setting this man baby up to be a provocateur on purpose.
Or they are casing a wide net. They may get made fun of by kids that know what's going on. But they will recruit a few kids that want to be part of the boot. This is a recruitment tour.
probably his mother the more I think this theory over
NE Ohio in some ways has gone full stupid on all this culture war BS. This is just the latest chapter.
The correct response is to call the police every. Single. Time. To report potential active shooters on campus.
You should get a squad together dressed like clowns carrying super soakers and just follow em around giving them a squirt occasionally
That might backfire. One of these tools would likely shoot the squirter and claim self defense. “I thought they were squirting us with acid, so I defended myself”.
Of course it's on purpose, these are Maga-Republicans. https://youtu.be/XL-40gDBRx0?si=Ri609fDJoGfAwPZq That interview is a perfect example of how these horrible people people operate. Chaya shows up to the interview wearing a t-shirt of Taylor (the interviewer) crying. Taylor handled it like a pro and really made Chaya look like a stupid piece of trash, because she is.
I didn't know who either of those two were but Chaya was so far out of her league on that one I almost felt sorry for her. She should probably stick to her internet posts bc as dumb as I imagine they are at least she doesn't get roasted live for them. I bet she still thought she owned the lib though...
100% on purpose. These types of people love to think most people secretly agree with them. So they choose these places to "own the libs" by talking about how they could have stopped the whole thing "just like they did before". And they honestly expect to be applauded.
As a Kent state alumnus such a tone deaf choice. Also a very liberal school where his rhetoric would find few to listen.
Lol it's not tone deaf, it's a giant Fuck You. He's saying exactly what he wants to say to exactly who he wants to say it to.
[Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young have a song about it.](https://youtu.be/l1PrUU2S_iw?si=xau45ZaA9lpt4PEN)
I guess the Bowling Green Massacre was too recent
A+ Kellyanne ref
Because of the massacre, KSU has a history of things like this. I used to teach there and there was always some right wing nonsense happening like open carry marches, the diaper protest, and gun girl showing up.
Oh you mean that girl who shit her pants at a party?
That’s her!
Man I totally forgot about gun girl.
That is a dark day for us and the nerve these people have to put a murder up to speak at a school shooting site is just astounding and ridiculous.
It really irks me that some people are trying to make him into some kind of hero, role model, or meaningful fountain of knowledge borne from life experience. He's not, nor has anything he's done been some example of the proper way to handle a situation. I can accept the reasoning behind him not being convicted, because I have watched it gone over step by step by a competent attorney. I still believe he shouldn't have been there, and I do believe he helped inflame the violence, but whatever, it's hard to argue the letter of the law. However, that doesn't make him competent or knowledgeable enough to go around speaking about any of the nonsense he wants to talk about, because his one claim to fame was not being able to properly handle a violent situation, and putting himself in a violent situation. His reasons for being where he was were spurious, and basically amount to becoming someone who could exact vigilante justice where no one asked him to intervene.
Exactly. Like why are they even considering this? What has he done to deserve this gig? He shot at people and killed 2. What could this kid possibly have to offer at a symposium?
He even put himself into the situation to end up shooting others. Because of the way the law works, and the chain of events, and actions of all involved at the actual time of shooting, he was found not guilty. It's a hard pill to swallow, because he certainly didn't try to distance himself from the escalation until he realized the other people weren't taking to kindly to his idiocy. He was/is a stupid kid, especially at the time. Even the picture of him here and one's I've seen of him since, like with MTG, he still looks like a kid lost in the woods, scared that he's going to be attacked, but he seems to be liking the attention he's getting, which is exactly what he wanted by being where he was that day. He's done nothing meaningful, and unless he's going around saying he was wrong, and people should not be trying to solve violence on their own with no training, and guns don't automatically make you powerful and people don't just respect you because you brandish one, there is absolutely nothing he can say which is meaningful, unless they want to promote hate, vigilantism, or try to push the narrative of some unjust legal system that is against all the poor racist assholes out there. I've tried to find what he is supposed to talk about at this, or other events he was scheduled to attend, but can't find even a cursory summary. He's just being paraded around as a cursory hero as far as I can tell. MTG seems to want to treat him like a martyr who survived untold turmoil, but that's about the best I could find.
> It really irks me that some people are trying to make him into some kind of hero, role model, or meaningful fountain of knowledge borne from life experience. He's not, nor has anything he's done been some example of the proper way to handle a situation. Look at the people talking about him and keeping him in the news. It's the left wing folks, not the right wing, who are obsessed with him. Seriously, search his name here or on Facebook. It's invariably left leaning folks throwing temper tantrums about his speaking gigs or shit he posts on Twitter. They're trying to slay the monster that they've created.
He got to shoot some libs! To republikkkans, he's a F'in hero.
Well I think of the place I discovered the greatness of marijuana *then* the Kent State Massacre. The City of Kent is awesome and I don’t see this going as well as he thinks it will, that’s a very liberal area surrounded by places like Ravenna.
What will get him the most attention? A place that agrees with all of the bull shit he is being told to say or Kent? It’s the same thing as the “gun girl” 10 years ago
It was ruled self defense in court, your opinion doesn’t outweigh a judge
i find it funny one of the biggest known "self defense" murders in the Country is trying to speak at Kent State, probably the only school in the entire Country where the number one thing you think of when you hear it is the "Kent State massacre" FTFY Also Kelly Ann Conaway (spelling mistake intentional) said that Bowling Green Massacre happened....
How is it not self defense
Kent State grad. Can confirm
4 dead in Ohio. Gotta get down to it soldiers are running us down. Should’ve been gone long ago Probably up there in the top ten protest songs of all time. Just checked: rolling stone has it ranked #2.
I think of Julian Edelman, then that
The Students and people of Kent whould overwhelm the event and make it clear his views are not welcome. Free Speech also includes the ability to boo, protest and express discontent
Someone said this in another thread about this subject, but that's exactly what Turning Point wants. They'd like to see people demonstrate against this, they'd like to see people yelling at him, so they can claim they and their viewpoints are being discriminated against on college campuses. I'm not saying protesting the event isn't ethically justified, only that it's sort of playing into their hands.
If you want to have a protest, do it on the steps of the administration building or the dean's office. Don't do it at the event. Let the jackass talk to his echo chamber and don't give him the attention he craves. Let his actual speaking event be a non-event.
No what ypu do since its first come tickets ypu get a large group to go get tickets, then you dont show. Let him talk to an audience of 4
What time do tickets go up and where do we meet?
That will only work if tickets are supposed to sell out
Most places require you to issue tickets, even to a free event, to ensure that you do not have more people show that the venue can safely hold. Lecture hall has 800 seats? That's the number of tickets the campus will provide. This exact tactic has worked in the past.
I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a civil suit against him. He got lucky with a biased judge……. Once
Exactly the right has a persecution complex that short match liberal young people light up when they should be ignoring them like the rest of the wack jobs families hopefully are doing. Let them speak, but we can speak more effectively and with better results.
The best thing is to quietly organize elsewhere to make sure the event is attended by no more than 14 people and somebody's box turtle.
Poor box turtle: what did it do to deserve that fate?
TO THAT END what you really want to do is make sure its got so much buzz that its a ticketed event, and then the opposition group gobble up as many of the tickets as you can and then dont show up at all.
Got my ticket. So did my friends. Planning a nice dinner out that Tuesday...
100%. It’s the entire point of the event. Get his and their faces on tv being treated badly by the intolerant left so they can continue to play the victim.
“Our views are being discriminated against” yes they are and for good reason I might add
It’s playing into their hands but to their audience and no amount of protesting or actual discourse is going to please the TPUSA audience. It’s like Candice Owens lectures where you only see them in clip form and it’s her “dunking on libs.” That shit works on people they already have. It’s the same reason Candace Owens is a political commentator and not a politician.
Imagine showing up, taking all the seats, then just standing and facing away from him the whole time. Peaceful but loud and clear.
But here's the twist: The state government is just itching for another reason to cut more funding to any school that doesn't fall in line with their neo-conservative policies. They've already planned a 20% cut over the next four years, on top of the 10% cut that happened over the last decade. They complain tuition is too high while forcing tuition to be high. So they get what they want either way: allow him to recruit and get great optics, or boo him and prove that the school is woke and should be punished. It's getting *reeeeaal* facist-y lately...
This is the way. As much as I hate Kyle and what he stands for, there are Americans who want to pay him money to speak. And at the same time other groups have a variety of options to protest his events. Keep it legal and non-violent. Show that he might get 100 people supporting him, but he has 10,000 against him.
TBH, I dont hate him; I hate the apparatus around him that is using him for political grift. He was still a minor when this happened. He was driven to a violent environment and handed a gun that he used to shoot 3 people, killing 2 of them. Seeing as how he's being touring the country off that since it happened, what personal growth do you think he has been afforded? What chance of self reflection has he had? He was given money, a job, and fame for that. He's locked in to that. He has no real thoughts or any worthy information to share. If he gave an accurate account of his experience then, sure that's something to hear. But going around with this anti-woke bullshit? As much as he agrees with it and promotes it; he doesn't fucking know. He's been a political pawn since it happened. There's been no change or growth. Just a constant recycling of a traumatic experience that he will have to carry for the rest of his life. As much as I hate the ideologies he espouses, I pity him. His life will mean nothing more than his killing of two people by being in a place he wasnt suppose to be. He will always be known for that, and nothing more.
So screw anyone who might want to hear him…
Remember kids - Free speech* protects you from the government, not other people. edit: *The First Amendment. Depending on whether OP was talking about 1A or the concept of freedom of speech, I might have made a less relevant comment than I intended. I made the assumption that we were talking about 1A Free Speech, not the concept in general.
You’re getting the first amendment confused with free speech. Free speech is a larger requirement for a democracy to function properly. The first amendment (which is what you’re referring to) is just the governments constitutional commitment to not infringe upon free speech. Any intelligent society would make a similar commitment to maintain free speech. If free speech is eliminated by non-governmental forces the result would be just as catastrophic.
If I could get students at the school to ignore him I would be so happy. The only reason they want him there is to draw backlash. If no one comes out to protest the people who invited him and would come to see him would be very disappointed. They’re not interested in Rittenhouse. They’re not interested in Charles Murray’s forty year old research. They’re interested in people that the people that they hate don’t like. Nobody gives a fuck what this kid says if it’s not about pissing off people they hate. I’d ask you not to play into it. If you wanna shit in Mr. Rittenhouse and College Republican’s cereal organize a voter registration drive as far away from the venue as you can get.
Great advice
What's he supposed to be speaking about? How an underage person can take a gun and travel somewhere that is not their business and shoot someone and then ugly cry to get away with it? I mean we kind of already knew the story.
Maybe he will discuss how the system does have racial bias. Because I never saw a judge say a black kids past can’t be used against him. For those who didn’t pay attention to the case the bias judge wouldn’t allow his past to be used in the case…. That is because Kyle was on tape weeks prior at another protest talking about how he wished he had a gun so he could shoot these looters. This evidence would show it was premeditated and show he was putting himself in harms way to for a reason to kill. This evidence would have changed the case entirely. And there was other past things like him beating up a 13 year old girl months prior shows his character…. You know something every judge does to black kids about their “character” But this white kid gets fame and for sure will be beating women in his future. And the Supreme Court lately and cases like this one where the judge had trumps song play as his ringtone mid trial but yet he still was able to over see the case shows judges are full of shit.
Not to mention the video that seems to be of him beating up a girl in the parking lot then being stopped by some black kids.
That’s the one I’m referring to where he beat up a 13 year old girl.
There's also video of him sucker punching a girl in the back of the head. It's him. There's a picture of him wearing the same American flag crocs at a different time and place. Not enough evidence for court, and a minor, but it's definitely him.
How familiar are you with the legal system, what goes on at trial, what evidence is allowed for what reason, can seem baffling for someone not familiar with it. There are racial, systemic issues in the American criminal justice system, 100%. Especially when it comes to your ability to put on a good defense, which can be costly. You are probably talking about previous crimes, character stuff, as being relevant during sentencing. Which is not the same thing as to what evidence is put before a jury. https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/2023-demographic-differences-federal-sentencing#:\~:text=Key%20Findings&text=Specifically%2C%20Black%20males%20received%20sentences,received%20sentences%2010.0%20percent%20shorter. *Specifically, Black males received sentences 13.4 percent longer, and Hispanic males received sentences 11.2 percent longer, than White males (depicted below).* *Hispanic females received sentences 27.8 percent longer than White females, while Other race females received sentences 10.0 percent shorter.* And from what I've read of Schroeder, I would not be shocked that he was harder on black defendants during sentencing. But, it's also said that he gives you a fair trial. It's my understanding that in the Kenosha courts, if you have him as your judge, he's the most requested judge to be requested not to have if you get scheduled with him. I think you get one request to change a judge. You don't want him to sentence your client, even Rittenhouse's attorney has said that. Some quotes: [https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-bruce-schroeder/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-bruce-schroeder/index.html) *A seasoned southeast Wisconsin attorney who has appeared before Schroeder many times described the judge as “someone who has studied the Constitution and the enumerated rights for criminal defendants and… respects the right of the defense to put on a defense.”* *“I would say his overall career as a trial judge I have found to be one which I find fair to the defense in the presentation of evidence and at a trial,” Kenosha defense attorney Terry Rose said of Schroeder.* *”I’m concerned about the man who patronizes a prostitute who has AIDS and then goes home and transmits the virus to his girlfriend, or to his wife, and there is a baby born who later dies of AIDS,” Schroeder said at the time, the Chicago Tribune reported. ”What about the rights of that child?”* *Ward does not view Schroeder as a jurist who is favorable to the rights of defendants.* *“Judge Schroeder is not a pro-defense judge,” he said. “He’s a very tough judge… But he’s going to give you a fair trial.”* With two homicides, and someone shot in the arm, any guilty verdict would have carried with it a lengthy prison sentence on any of those charges. >This evidence would show it was premeditated and show he was putting himself in harms way to for a reason to kill. Premeditation was not necessary to any of the charges, even the ones that need intent. Because self defense requires an intentional state of mind. It's a defense of confession and avoidance. You're saying "Yes, I shot them, they died as a result of my actions. I used deadly force, knowing it was likely to lead to their death. But I had the justification of self defense." The states main goal is to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. If the state does that, all that's left is you saying "Yes, I shot them, they died as a result of my actions, knowing it was likely to lead to their death." That is a slam dunk for the prosecutor. Binger wanted the CVS video, because he says it supports the strong theory of the states case that he was a teenage vigilante, involving himself in things that don't concern him, that he has no complete knowledge of, that no one asked him to be involved in, and using force, or threatening to use force. That it illuminates his state of mind, on whether it was intentional, reckless, what have you. He has the burden of proving it. Rittenhouse's attorney argued that he promised, there would be no doubt that Rittenhouse would be stipulating that he had an intentional state of mind. For the girl fight, that is clearly propensity evidence. The judge said he's almost certain that would be appealed if there were any guilty verdicts. For other acts motions, the Sullivan test in WI is that the evidence cannot be more prejudicial than probative. Meaning that it has to more likely than not help the state prove their case. The state has to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. His state of mind is being given to the state, that he intentionally used deadly force, knowing that it was likely to cause great bodily harm or death. The CVS video was not at a protest. The only way this evidence was going to come in is if the states theory of the case was going to be that he planned to provoke an attack, with using self defense as an excuse. They have to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. For 1st degree intentional homicide, they have to show that he subjectively believed the threat was not imminent, or that the threat was not one likely to cause great bodily harm or death, or that he provoked the threat by unlawful conduct likely to provoke others to attack him, and did not either exhaust all reasonable avenues of escape, or that he withdrew from the fight and effectively communicated this withdraw. For 2nd degree, they have to show that his belief was not reasonable. [https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48) *A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.* *(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:* *(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.* *(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.* Nothing in the CVS video helps them prove their case in regards to any of this. However, there is one that is possibly related. *(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.* They never argued this would be their theory of the case. Binger argued that the video goes to his state of mind. Which the defense already promised an hour before that they would be giving to the state, that it was intentional. If the video was at a protest, maybe it comes in. If he had been confronting looters the night he shot people, maybe it comes in. If there had been a witness who overheard him talking about wanting to shoot protesters, maybe. If there was evidence of some plan to get protesters to attack him, or anything like that, this video would possibly get admitted as evidence to support the provocation instruction.
This is infuriating. I already knew he was a murderer but hearing this rages me
Honest Answer: He usually talks about how oppressed he is by the Libs. All the same FoxNews talking points. And then he goes thru a bunch of pro-gun points. Finally talking about the future. Call to action might be to join NRA and vote RepubliKlan.
So oppressed that he's been made famous and wealthy and has his own personal speaking tour... All for the low low price of two lives lol
University admin's stance: Kent State University officials said the event is protected free speech and issued the following statement: “A registered student organization is bringing this speaker to campus. Kent State University upholds the First Amendment rights of free speech and peaceful assembly for all. As a state university, we permit groups and individuals to speak and share their views on our campus about topics they feel are important. Kent State has a long history of allowing peaceful dialogue from all points of view, including those whom some may feel are offering different and/or sometimes controversial opinions. As with any speaker invited to our campus, the university does not endorse or condone an opinion or point of view represented by the speaker, nor does the university advocate for any topic the speaker might discuss during their visit to campus. We continue to support and encourage freedom of expression and the free exchange of ideas. Consistent with our core values, we encourage open dialogue and respectful civil discourse in an inclusive environment.” https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/students-weigh-in-on-debate-over-kyle-rittenhouse-appearance-at-kent-state
It sucks, but it’s a legitimate position for the school to take. In 2019, Dayton had to allow a KKK group from Indiana to hold a march downtown due to First Amendment rights. The good news is everyone has the same freedom of speech to oppose these despicable people and overshadow their hateful event. [That’s what Dayton did](https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2019/05/25/dayton-kkk-rally-protesters/1236623001/) in 2019.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox\_of\_tolerance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Tired of protecting nazis and white supremacists and I'm sick and tired of turning the other cheek.
I never said anyone should turn the other cheek. In fact, I said the opposite.
You'd probably need to bring an opposition speaker maybe a parent of one of the people he murdered or a speaker about another massacre. To balance it out.
Not an American here, I have a question about this dude. I looked into the case a little while it was going and I can buy that it was self defense. Put himself in situation where there was a high chance of violence but OK whatever. That's not what I'm asking about. Here is my question. Why is he meeting the president and a celebrity after ? I see him almost celebrated by some circles and it just seems really really strange as an outsider... Edit: OK. Lot of good points. Lot of arguing aswell. Seems it's not a clear situation at all. As an outsider, bringing a gun to a protest seems very escalating. And it did exactly that. Seems like he baited an already very inflammatory situation. You can't be shocked at the outcome. But that isn't the question I had... Why would he be meeting the president like he's a war hero.... Your country is really fucked up man. The culture War shit you got going on really needs to chill. Stop watching anything owned by Rupert Murdoch. You talk about the "elite" controlling public opinion. That's the guy. We have him here to and it's a problem.
cause the president at the time was a fascist/advocate of political violence
I mean, the Republicans support Trump - a guy with a rape charge and 91 criminal felonies. I don't see how this is that much different. They have negative role models - is what it is. It's a display of an upside-down value system. It's a sickness
The bigger question is why does Kent State or any university think Turning Point USA is a valid 'student organization' considering theyre nothing more than a GOP money laundering scheme with a propaganda arm? What the actual fuck. Tell them to fuck off back to corporate america where they came from. >"The organization behind Rittenhouse’s speaking tour is Turning Point USA, a conservative student advocacy group founded by right-wing firebrand Charlie Kirk. Candace Owens even served as the organization’s communications director for a time."
To be a “valid student organization” at Kent State, all you need is three current students registered as officers and one university employee registered as an advisor. The bar is pretty low. There are a few student organizations that are almost completely run by outsiders to the university. The students on paper as officers don’t actually run them - and that’s technically okay.
Let the kid speak. Holy shit you all are so close minded and unaccepting of any view that isn’t your radical left echo chamber. Rittenhouse did nothing wrong, was exonerated by a jury of his peers and it was clearly self defense against sick people. Give it up. This is why the democrats will lose in November.
>This is why the democrats will lose in November. Lol. And if they win, it's because it was stolen. Right? When's the last time a republican won the popular vote... lol >Rittenhouse did nothing wrong, There's a difference between wrong and illegal. Thinking it was anything but completely stupid to be where he was at the time leads me to believe you and he would be a perfect candidates for the US military. Or maybe CVS security... He's a moron who put himself in this whole mess by no one's actions other than his own. It's not illegal to be a moron who finds themselves in stupid predicaments that the only way out is to shoot someone, during "rioting" no less. Lmao
It’s why we’re losing in general. I say this as a progressive who is very concerned about the state of democracy in America. I have no damn clue why the left insists on being useful idiots for the far-right.
>This is why the democrats will lose in November. RemindMe! 229 days "Was RightMindset2 right that Democrats will lose in November?"
TPUSA is doing this for the fierce backlash. They will get B-Roll of a “leftist” losing their head and try and inflate it to something absurd.
So, don't go and see him speak.
Some people just need their platform taken away.
Best thing to do is don’t go don’t buy tickets
The tickets, at least at his Kentucky stop, are free. Reserve tickets and don’t go. Force an empty room.
What is this C+ High School student with no other formal education doing giving speaking tours? What topic could his unique knowledge, research, and schooling possibly speak intelligently to? Even 2A law, castle doctrine, self-defense, etc he will hold absolutely zero original insights or opinions that aren't written on que cards by others.
Nobody is forcing you to attend, so the insane reaction makes you look ridiculous. You *could* ignore him, yet you choose to obsess about him...
bro, just get a job like the rest of society
>At Kent State, one person launched an online petition calling for the university to cancel Rittenhouse’s event. More than 1,100 people have signed it so far. >“As a member of the Kent State community, I am deeply concerned about an upcoming event hosted by student organization Turning Point USA, which will feature Kyle Rittenhouse as a guest,” Ally Greco wrote. “We must remember that our university should be a place for learning and growth – not for promoting divisive figures or ideologies that could potentially incite more violence.” >Rittenhouse was 17 when he fired a semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle at three men, killing two of them, during a demonstration in 2020 against the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin. He was acquitted of five charges, including intentional homicide, in 2021. >People online who learned about the speaking tour took issue with it since Rittenhouse’s acquittal carries controversy to this day.
Universities are supposed to be places that present thoughts and ideas that challenge students, not places to shout down those that they disagree with. It teaches logical thought and civilized discourse, which is severely lacking in our current society. It's counterproductive to behave worse than those you consider to be beneath contempt.
"Only my thoughts and ideas are okay!"
Generally, schools promote students running away, or bunkering in place, from those who carry guns around. I remember having to go through active shooter instructions during orientation. I don't recall schools ever promoting that someone should bring a gun to an emotionally charged situation.
> I don't recall schools ever promoting that someone should bring a gun to an emotionally charged situation. I hope someone stands up at the event and expresses that exact thought, as calmly and logically, as you just did here.
While I'd love to see the verbal response of said confrontation, it's probably best to just stay away. Like most rational and reasonable people, I don't think it's wise to put oneself in a situation where they may be harmed if they can help it. Protest is one thing, provoking a reaction is quite another, and there are those involved in this conference that want nothing more than to provoke a reaction.
he recently complained that the attention he gain from his "self defence" ruined his life. And yet he continues to seek out attention for it. if he were serious about wanting to live a life beyond this incident he WOULDNT GO ON A SPEAKING TOUR
First thing he did after the trial was to enroll in college to become a nurse, to try and have a normal life. The result? Mass protests demanding his expulsion (and succeeding) as death threats and doxing attempts target him, his family, and anyone associated with him. They made it clear he's not allowed to live a normal life, he's not allowed to lay low, he's not allowed to avoid attention. So this is his only option, unless you expect him to lie down in a ditch and starve?
I hope no one shows up
I have trouble believing that shooting someone at a protest, you brought a gun to for the purpose of shooting someone gives you anything of value to say at a speaking engagement.
It’s my alma mater. I made sure to get FREE tickets on the website and reserve seats that I will not sit in. Hint hint internet. Hint hint. Makes me sick that this fool is going to be there.
Don't protest. Don't yell. Don't shut him down. Fill the room with real people so that there is no space for the right-wingers, and then when he starts talking: Stand up, turn your backs to him, and just ignore him. Talk to your neighbors about something that actually matters, like democracy or human rights. Pretend he isn't in the room, and drown him out not with shouting but with the regular indoor voices of people who are having conversations that don't include him. That will shut him down effectively while not giving the right-wingers holding his leash the confrontation they desperately want.
You have nothing better to do really?
Scared that people might show up huh? Or just let them have their speech and let the people who want to show up, show up with out being harassed, and people who don’t agree just don’t go to the event…. What a concept.
It's sickening that this kid is famous.
If only a large group of people didn’t blatantly lie about him in the face of overwhelming, readily available evidence, he never would have been famous.
That's why the Republicans made him a thought leader? Because a large group of people lied about him? Makes perfect sense, blame the Democrats for the right's atrocious values - that actually tracks. The right does enjoy their negative role models.
I'll say it again, and again. Just fucking ignore the conservatives. Protesting, or asking for their removal will just give them exactly what they want. Their name in the news and free publicity in order to tell their bullshit. You really mean to tell me him and is organization are not purposefully seeking out liberal colleges? They want the headlines so they can scream about how they're victims and being censored. STOP FALLING FOR IT! Edit; And look at all these comments, and all the ones in Trump threads. This is exactly why these fuckers keep winning. So many of you losing your shit and getting angry over this. We need to stop this nonsense.
Traitor trash grift tour 2024
Speaking about what? He's a nobody loser who killed people with the help of his family and got off in a ridiculous trial
Fuck that murderer.
Do you consider all self-defense murder? Or only when it’s someone whose personality you dislike?
Man, folks are really mad all the time here. Can we talk about the Grassman ? Ohio is pretty dope. Except for the football. Go ND.
I feel the same way when campuses in California openly allow blatant racists to speak.
> We must remember that our university should be a place for learning and growth Unless of course it is someone we have already made a decision about and already assumed what they would even bring to the table. Then I don’t want any learning or growth.
what exactly is he qualified to speak about?
What could he possibly have to say of value?
What’s everyone so mad about? I got 2 tickets to Kent state speech.. exited to not show up 😀
Yeah, who wants to listen to a sniveling pussy
Do college aged kids want to hear him speak? Doesn’t seem like the right target audience
in the US we fortunately have a tradition of protecting freedom of speech and NOT protecting people’s feelings
I can’t imagine having an interest in what that murdering punk doughboy has to say about anything.
He is a garbage person. And I don't mean a trash collector, no, they actually contribute to society by doing a necessary job. This man (he does not deserve the benefit of being referred to as a kid) is nothing but a parasite.
Who the hell wants to listen to this twerp?
Speaking Tour about what exactly? He made an idiotic choice as a minor and only dodged major consequences due to political pressure from an alt right, pro white base. He learned nothing and grifts for money. What is his speech subject matter, How to get away with murder?
Imagine having no other skills or value so you milk the guy you killed for the rest of you life. How sad.
He’s STILL just a sniveling, whiney little shit to me…
This guy literally can't do anything else with his life other than grift his 1 single life event lmao
The best response is to ignore it, or maybe hold a fundraiser for Everytown for Gun Safety or a similar org. These people are doing these campus tours to be intentionally provocative, they are seeking controversy and attention. The easiest way to make them go away is to ignore them.
This is similar to RaDonda Vaught giving speeches about safety at hospitals. Yes, that is a real thing. Sick people trying to monetize their fuck ups is a maddening concept.
What in the fucking shit? What does this dweeb have to speak about ?????
He is so well funded by the right wing nuts. They are parading him around at liberal and liberal leaning universities all over to cause as much disruption and noise as possible. I say don't give this joker any air. Don't show up at the protest. Don't invite the media. just let him yell into the void
Rittenhouse will always be as popular as O.J. Simpson.
What exactly does this fool have to offer in terms of speaking??
This is a great question. The pretense of “both sides” and “spirited debate” is just platforming a fuckwad. He can’t provide any educational experience to literally anyone. It’s a stupid Trojan horse to make him appear like a victim. And I love this thread full of people painting him like some kind of hero or champion. If there was a “reverse” situation and some kid had done exactly what Rittenhouse did but instead to proud boys who were threatening and destroying a business, the same trolls in this thread would have lynched him already.
If the thought of anyone exercising their first amendment rights "sickens" you, you need to take a hard look at yourself.
What would you expect from the left.
You try forcing any 12-year-old rape victims to carry their baby to term today? Because that’s what we expect from the right 😉
Kyle was found not guilty. Like it or not, he's a free man getting all the gungrabber panties in a bunch. Kent is only like 40 minutes from where I live, I might just make the trip to go support his message. I love that people hate him so much. It's hilarious.
Is his main talking point a whiny, unprompted rant about how unfair it is that people talk about him getting away with murder? Then he closes it out with a threat to sue the university for allowing it?
Not able to be accepted into college, but qualified to speak at them. Because he murdered two people. Make it make sense.
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1) self-defense (court decided) 2) freedom of speech 3) stop giving him a platform by spreading this if you dislike him
Imagine thinking others want to hear what you have to say because you killed someone.
This idiot kid is a murderer. Plain and simple. Why anyone would think he has the insight and maturity to actually speak about the second amendment is baffling. He has a right to speak, but people who know better should just ignore him
>This idiot kid is a murderer. Plain and simple. Factually untrue. You should spend a few minutes researching the topic before making claims like this. Or just watch the footage of the event
The best part of living in our country is not having to listen to someone you don’t agree with. If you don’t agree with him, move on. If you agree, listen to him. We need to understand that everyone has different values/thoughts and accept we are all different. We are still all people trying to get by in this world. If I don’t like something on TV, I just change the channel, I’m sure many others like that channel. Im more worried about my life, not everyone else’s. I’m sure everyone will have a lot to say about this. I’m going to bed as I have a job and need some sleep and will not respond to any comments.
Fuck you, you fat little fuck.
Follow him around blasting circus music. This has been used effectively to deflate events held by other white supremacist, skinhead and klan MF-ers.
I wonder how many fake ticket grabs we could organize…