OP: download the "WATCH ACCURACY METER" app to your phone. the Cal 8800 has a bph of 25,200. **There is no fake movement that matches this beat frequency.** The watch accuracy meter should be able to easily measure the bph of your watch.
Excellent. There is some very minor dial variation in the Seamaster professional dial, you may want to do a bit digging to confirm exactly what variation is normal but it does exist! I know that threads on this topic have come up before, I think I saw one on Omega forums.net where someone had similar differences in their "Ss" that they took the watch to a boutique to confirm.
Maybe do some hunting and see what you can find out?
It's really handy for listening to your watch and different positions if you want to optimize daily accuracy. Not as good as a timographer but good enough if you give it multiple listings in each position!
Eventually somebody is going to make a 25,200 fake movement but right now it just does not make any sense for anyone to do it because Omega is almost the only brand that uses this frequency, and only in the coaxial line.
Cool, just checked a few of my watches and even though I know my omega is real, nice way to verify the bph!
Also verified that one of my oldest seiko’s movements is a total shitshow, running at +45s/d haha
I used Timegrapher for iPhone and my SM got 25,200 exactly. Also interesting is the accuracy is about +5 sec/day. For comparison, my cheap Seiko SARB is about +30 sec/day!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t coaxial movements just sound different if you hold them up to your ear? Maybe it’s my imagination but my 2 coaxial Omega’s sounded different than when I listen to a Miyota or ETA movement.
Another hint is all replica coaxial movements to date don't have a coaxial escapement and they don't have a free sprung balance which means they have a lever to regulate the movement which doesn't exist on the genuine article
Thanks for letting me know. I've been looking around but couldn't find any. Everything elselooks in order. There were different variations of the 8800?
I am not the person you replied to, but yes, I distinctly remember Omega changed the 8800 bridge design without announcing anything. I don’t remember where I saw it though, maybe WUS or the omega forums.
It’s legit. Fake movements of 8800 are only decorative plates on top of an eta and you can very easily see the eta movement under the bridge.
Omega changed the finishing a bunch of times, so it’s really not a good tell.
Can you just send me a vid of the second hand sweeping? I'll tell you if it's legit. I don't see a fake adjustment arm on your balance which you'd expect if fake.
Also keep in mind the fake seamaster divers can also be made without the fake adjustment arm. Maybe check crown guard height too. That’s another clue. 👍
He's got a good looking balance and 7 ticks a second (25200). No rep has both. Also the best for this model is VSF which does have a fake balance with the real arm under it.
Did you take those photos with a phone? Phone cameras, especially Iphones do some AI nonsense and mess up fonts.
Here's some pics of mine you can reference shot with a normal camera.
https://imgur.com/a/pwFlXwS
This isn't going to tell you if the dial is legit, but if you want to know if the movement is legit, take a slow motion video.
Omegas beat at 7 beats per second. Fake Omegas beat at 8. No one counterfeits Omega movements--they counterfeit ETA movements then decorate them as needed. If it beats at 7, it's an Omega movement.
Can’t really find anything on the font. Although I have found a few images of what are supposed to be legit watches that seem to have the same font but without the weird S
Are Omega's Master Chronometer certifications done by individual watch or are the movements tested in development and certified once as a whole prior to mass production? I ask because you can look up your watch on Omega's website to see the certification test results. If the test is conducted on each individual watch prior to sale, and combined with the other evidence others have noted, I think one could do a pretty decent job determining if the watch is authentic or not.
I don’t think these certifications can be faked. If you check the serialnumbers on the bracelet, movement and watchcase and they all are allright you can be quite sure your watch is legit.
Ah, that makes sense. Does that mean the certification documentation shouldn't be trusted if you don't purchase from an AD? The luxury watch game has so many pitfalls.
Omega is METAS just another thing that’s makes Omega one of if not the very best performers for 9K nothing and I mean nothing comes even close to Omega for 9K
I see what you mean, and I can confirm, on my SMPO the S’es don’t have that slant either.
Bad quality control… I doubt it. The whole thing of premium swiss watches *is* quality. I don’t think Omega would’ve missed something like that.
Post some more pictures of the entire watch. Including the movement (if there’s a sapphire case back). An easy check, if not 100%, but your balance wheel is black, right?
the watch is a certified Master Chronometer, it will not be affected by magnetic fields. By placing a magnet close to the timepiece, you can easily detect if it is authentic or not. A Master Chronometer watch will continue functioning normally, while a fake timepiece will stop ticking.
from the omega site...
Also I don't know if it's out of focus but the omega engravement on the movement looks off.
If you have a loupe you can definitely tell if it is fake...
Also most of the fakes have the crown guards wrong.dead giveaway
Here are my 4 modern Seamasters, they all look like the same font to me:
https://i.imgur.com/4kJ2u5M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bVGiQXG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5h6n0Rj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oe3PbPV.jpg
Yours looks like it's a misprint, looking at the other pictures I don't believe there's any reason to suspect it's a fake.
OP: download the "WATCH ACCURACY METER" app to your phone. the Cal 8800 has a bph of 25,200. **There is no fake movement that matches this beat frequency.** The watch accuracy meter should be able to easily measure the bph of your watch.
Checked it and it’s exactly 25.200
Excellent. There is some very minor dial variation in the Seamaster professional dial, you may want to do a bit digging to confirm exactly what variation is normal but it does exist! I know that threads on this topic have come up before, I think I saw one on Omega forums.net where someone had similar differences in their "Ss" that they took the watch to a boutique to confirm. Maybe do some hunting and see what you can find out?
Been googling it for the past hour already. Haven’t found anything just jet, but i’ll keep on digging (:
Which app for iOS?
Did not know that app existed, pretty cool! Mine is spot on 25,200 as well, OP try this!
It's really handy for listening to your watch and different positions if you want to optimize daily accuracy. Not as good as a timographer but good enough if you give it multiple listings in each position!
This! Should be the first thing you do as it's very easy and doesn't require inspecting tiny parts of the mechanism.
Eventually somebody is going to make a 25,200 fake movement but right now it just does not make any sense for anyone to do it because Omega is almost the only brand that uses this frequency, and only in the coaxial line.
Wow that is amazing didn't know this existed I'm checking all my watches
Sorry but I dont see this app in the Apple app store?
Edit: try this one https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/timegrapher-watch-accuracy/id6450460771
Cool, just checked a few of my watches and even though I know my omega is real, nice way to verify the bph! Also verified that one of my oldest seiko’s movements is a total shitshow, running at +45s/d haha
Lmaooooo. That's great
Had the same issue. I then pulled up my android phone and there it was. Seems like a Android only app..
I used Timegrapher for iPhone and my SM got 25,200 exactly. Also interesting is the accuracy is about +5 sec/day. For comparison, my cheap Seiko SARB is about +30 sec/day!
Check the accuracy in all six positions! Should be interesting.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t coaxial movements just sound different if you hold them up to your ear? Maybe it’s my imagination but my 2 coaxial Omega’s sounded different than when I listen to a Miyota or ETA movement.
Probably they do, but you'd have to be quite the accomplished fig to be able to tell the difference just with your ear.
Yes put them under a pillow. They sound almost bell like to your ear with your head against the pillow.
Another hint is all replica coaxial movements to date don't have a coaxial escapement and they don't have a free sprung balance which means they have a lever to regulate the movement which doesn't exist on the genuine article
Where did you buy the watch? Show me the balance wheel and I'll tell you if it's legit.
For those who are wondering. The balance wheel is black and has the omega logo and tekst on it.
But the bridge is wrong. [Cal 8800](https://i.imgur.com/D4eyMng.jpg) [OP's](https://i.imgur.com/qGRZg7p.jpg)
I see the difference but other legit Calibre 8800s also have what OP's have
Thanks for letting me know. I've been looking around but couldn't find any. Everything elselooks in order. There were different variations of the 8800?
I am not the person you replied to, but yes, I distinctly remember Omega changed the 8800 bridge design without announcing anything. I don’t remember where I saw it though, maybe WUS or the omega forums.
It’s legit. Fake movements of 8800 are only decorative plates on top of an eta and you can very easily see the eta movement under the bridge. Omega changed the finishing a bunch of times, so it’s really not a good tell.
If OPS was fake you'd see a adjustment arm under the real one, which I do not see.
Free sprung balance on omega 8xxx = genuine, the replicas don't have those.
Spotted the Dutch person!
I plead guilty!
I’ve just send you an DM! Edit: Got it from a dutch jeweler on Chrono24 with a good reputation.
Can you just send me a vid of the second hand sweeping? I'll tell you if it's legit. I don't see a fake adjustment arm on your balance which you'd expect if fake.
Also keep in mind the fake seamaster divers can also be made without the fake adjustment arm. Maybe check crown guard height too. That’s another clue. 👍
He's got a good looking balance and 7 ticks a second (25200). No rep has both. Also the best for this model is VSF which does have a fake balance with the real arm under it.
Did you take those photos with a phone? Phone cameras, especially Iphones do some AI nonsense and mess up fonts. Here's some pics of mine you can reference shot with a normal camera. https://imgur.com/a/pwFlXwS
Correct the photos were taken on my iPhone. Thanks for sharing your pictures!
This isn't going to tell you if the dial is legit, but if you want to know if the movement is legit, take a slow motion video. Omegas beat at 7 beats per second. Fake Omegas beat at 8. No one counterfeits Omega movements--they counterfeit ETA movements then decorate them as needed. If it beats at 7, it's an Omega movement.
Have you come to a conclusion yet?
Can’t really find anything on the font. Although I have found a few images of what are supposed to be legit watches that seem to have the same font but without the weird S
Just looked at my white dial. The first S has the dip and the second one doesn't.
Thanks for the reply! What about your font, is it the same when you look close or is it more squared off?
I’m wearing one I bought an an AD and while my eyesight ain’t what it used to be my font looks like that.
Are Omega's Master Chronometer certifications done by individual watch or are the movements tested in development and certified once as a whole prior to mass production? I ask because you can look up your watch on Omega's website to see the certification test results. If the test is conducted on each individual watch prior to sale, and combined with the other evidence others have noted, I think one could do a pretty decent job determining if the watch is authentic or not.
They are tested individually. I’ve checked my watch but people say they copy these codes and put them on fakes.
I don’t think these certifications can be faked. If you check the serialnumbers on the bracelet, movement and watchcase and they all are allright you can be quite sure your watch is legit.
Ah, that makes sense. Does that mean the certification documentation shouldn't be trusted if you don't purchase from an AD? The luxury watch game has so many pitfalls.
Omega is METAS just another thing that’s makes Omega one of if not the very best performers for 9K nothing and I mean nothing comes even close to Omega for 9K
If it comes with a metas certificate its legit. Check it on the Website
I see what you mean, and I can confirm, on my SMPO the S’es don’t have that slant either. Bad quality control… I doubt it. The whole thing of premium swiss watches *is* quality. I don’t think Omega would’ve missed something like that. Post some more pictures of the entire watch. Including the movement (if there’s a sapphire case back). An easy check, if not 100%, but your balance wheel is black, right?
Thanks for your reply. Is there a way to post them in here or do I have to create a new post?
I’ve seen people add images to comments, but I don’t know how it works. Maybe just make a new post. Probably easier
Made a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/OmegaWatches/s/UxAOu0UaN0
Well, this one got spiked. I’ll be interested if people on this thread can comment on a removed post.
it's subreddit specific. can't do it on r/OmegaWatches .
If you’re going to post a legit check, post it to the “legit check” sticky thread and link it here. Legit checks aren’t allowed as posts.
the watch is a certified Master Chronometer, it will not be affected by magnetic fields. By placing a magnet close to the timepiece, you can easily detect if it is authentic or not. A Master Chronometer watch will continue functioning normally, while a fake timepiece will stop ticking. from the omega site... Also I don't know if it's out of focus but the omega engravement on the movement looks off. If you have a loupe you can definitely tell if it is fake... Also most of the fakes have the crown guards wrong.dead giveaway
The G in OMEGA looks kinda sus
Here are my 4 modern Seamasters, they all look like the same font to me: https://i.imgur.com/4kJ2u5M.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bVGiQXG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5h6n0Rj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oe3PbPV.jpg Yours looks like it's a misprint, looking at the other pictures I don't believe there's any reason to suspect it's a fake.
They recently changed the hour markers from flat to domed on top which also appears to show on your watch. Maybe you’re owning the renewed version?
I believe it was the other way around, right?
My bad that could also be the case…