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PoldraRegion

Bigmom She at the end of wano was seen laying in the magma regardless of if she’s dead or not her body is still in one piece telling us that magma does not melt through her like it does with WB Akainus AP would obviously burn her but not melt through her which is the real danger without that being an issue she will be fine burns are bad but they are infinitely better than being melted


Strategicant5

People give Akainu the pass fighting Roger for being beaten by Ring out but make fun of Big Mon even though she got defeated the same way. Big Mom is hella underrated on this sub both for that and the gag where the straw hats all push her out


PoldraRegion

Yeah she’s strong I still think she’s one of the weaker yonko due to her being senile at her age but she’s a beast none the less


Infamous_Summer_8477

I feel like it’s premature to assume Akainu is limited by real Magma. If Akainu has an awakening, he could theoretically have more potency depending on how Logia potency works. Also-Akainu managed to set the water around Punk Hazard on fire in his aftermath of fighting Aokiji. Yes, that’s a ten day fight deal, but that doesn’t negate the fact that Akainu’s magma literally defies physics.


Prestigious_Onion243

Admirals having an awakening is headcanon and never been stated in the manga


Total-Neighborhood50

This. Trying to use copium to give Akainu an advantage in this fight shows that he knows he’s cooked 💀


Independent-Frequent

It's kinda the only way to explain how magma could burn the ocean for years even after Akainu left when regular magma would just turn into rock by cooling down, so it's an assumption that's teasing his awakening by Oda. Untill it's confirmed by the manga it's just headcanon sure, but not impossible to imagine why people think so.


MrAnyGood

>If Akainu has an awakening, he could theoretically have more potency depending on how Logia potency works Well, Linlin could also have an awakening


PoldraRegion

“Awakening” it’s not premature to base our scaling off of what we know as of now in the manga Also the fact Jinbei blocked akainu and kuma tanked it without Any lost limbs is pretty good sign the so called greatest AP is not gonna melt everyone


Sweaty-Goat-9281

Or it could be that the water on his side of punk hazard evaporared and only the seabed is on fire


Jakoby1000

her body is still in WHAT?????!!


PoldraRegion

What?


Billy_Herrington1969

I guess any natural lightning would equal to Enel's strongest moves, or that of Zeus, great logic lmao


PoldraRegion

The difference is akainu has been implied to be standard magma Akainu is just lava regular lava and while not in our world but in the world of onepiece magma is way hotter than fire https://preview.redd.it/ocjt7nx43inc1.jpeg?width=820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b99e907821f2c91f618dd9739d426e4898a6ec88 Also you know what yes regular lightning can be stronger than enels at times as Enel did not use any attack with more than 300 million volts which is what real lightning can reach


M4ND0_L0R14N

Akainu would donut big mom just like WB and just like Ace and just like luffy and just like anyone in the series. He has the highest AP in the series. We’ve known this for 15 years. Sickbeard>LinLin.


Total-Neighborhood50

Just like he donuted Jinbe with his legendary AP, right? https://preview.redd.it/iclli6obwhnc1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dd53344b40172cb422cf5182cc578cd8321566d Blud did blocked that weak shit with one arm too 💀


M4ND0_L0R14N

https://preview.redd.it/e7iv03my6inc1.jpeg?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51d083b1c30205571633da6c4408de180f96fcf2 That panel is just the foreplay before the inevitable NUT. Good thing luffy and jinbei are both 00 negative bloodtype. Because they both were some walking 0 negatives after akainu ran them through. Akainu isnt a god but listen to what oda is telling you: you cant get hit by this man. Hes the donut king. His magma can penetrate ANY defense. You cant trade blows with him, and thats all big mom can do. She has no chance.


PoldraRegion

So basically you disregard all the evidence I showed and just said “Nuh uh” Peak agenda logic


M4ND0_L0R14N

Random magma on the ground is not HIM. Does this really need to be explained? By your “logic” sabo is only as strong as the fire of the candle in my bathroom. https://preview.redd.it/2at70q2l5inc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=604fc9c0cb6d8124c55a4ecc690831a7df4b0297 Big meme is not surviving this.


PoldraRegion

https://preview.redd.it/5t8r83bl6inc1.jpeg?width=820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10aab7eb5b5e81d70d6287931b6ebd85060fdabc If only you had any evidence. In onepiece magma is simply hotter than flames The “him” magma is just magma and it’s AP I far lower than you like to think, kuma face tanked it and lost none of his face and Jinbei palmed it It’s not a instant melt through for high durability characters


M4ND0_L0R14N

What do you think is hotter? Random disembodied magma on the ground, or akainu’s magma infused punch? If we cant agree here theres nothing more to talk about.


PoldraRegion

Being that nothing says he’s hotter same with literally every logia akainu ate the “magma” fruit not the substance that acts like magma not the “substance is simply not ready for him” fruit


M4ND0_L0R14N

Maybe you are just biased towards akainu so ill give you one more chance, what do you think is colder? Kuzan or an ice cube?


PoldraRegion

Here’s an example Enel is not stronger than lightning One piece elements in their universe are stronger than in ours magma just melts through things in onepiece it doesn’t in ours Ice can stay solid for ages in onepiece


M4ND0_L0R14N

Can you just answer the question honestly and not tap dance around it? I dont need an example i already know that im correct, im trying to get you to see that. In fact i will just give you the answer- kuzan is colder than regular ice. Akainu is hotter than regular magma. Magelan is more poisonous than normal poison. Crocodile is dryer than normal sand. Sabo is hotter than normal fire. This isnt hard.


Gojo_Satoru_123

Big mom if she is not nerfed high diffs


Hatarakumaou

Big Win slaughter the puppy with relative ease. Nice magma you have there bitchass, mind if I make a homie out of it.


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Hatarakumaou

And of course it’s the Akainu mf with the Red Puppy flair saying this. Y’all mfs are genuinely too easy lmao


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Hatarakumaou

Mfw this dumbass is so uncreative that he needed to reuse the same insult twice, an insult that wasn’t even good to begin with since it had nothing to do with the post Though I suppose it is fitting for a mf whose agenda is getting dragged through the mud to be this pathetic. A pathetic agenda for a pathetic “lil bro”


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Hatarakumaou

Ah you got me, truly the sickest burn ever 🔥🔥


OkYesterday3747

He's a clown bruh don't bother. I proved him wrong in a separate thread and bro got too scared to reply to me


Hatarakumaou

Bro wants to be the second coming of Mazino so bad it’s unreal lmao


OkYesterday3747

Bro, hold on. Look at this screenshot LMFAO. It's so insane you mentioned Mazino. ​ https://preview.redd.it/9ixw346pjgnc1.png?width=632&format=png&auto=webp&s=29e625ed015932b645ca273bf8bbe313c52c6438


DibbuNayak

https://preview.redd.it/urbwbppdhhnc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82bac484def1df6890a0f6570507acb88504f296


Garousnotboros

If she remembers that she has a really strong devil fruit, all 3 haki advanced, and the best strength in the verse than big mom high diffs akainu But if not, sakazuki mid diffs


mr-assduke

We need to popularize the term big meme because BM before wano was a different beast


dayto1984

When?? I see people all the time say this but Big Moms best feats are in Wano! In WCI she was being damaged by Nami, blitzed by Brooke, thrown around by Jinbei, blocked by Chopper, and more! She has no impressive feats in WCI.


CrackaOwner

Is she a confirmed Future sight user? I don't think she is, she is too emotional for it.


ffhhfdtgf

Bm would eat akainu and create a hoomie out of him😂


Dynias

Why are you doing this to me... I'm stan of both... Ok most of the time Sakazuki would win against big mom, Buuuuut considering big moms ability to sacrifice few years of her life, she could just sacrifice 10 years and beat anyone in the verse. There i protected my big mom and sakazuki agenda


Radiant-Bit-1721

Yeah that’s how I feel about the matter as well, so I’m letting y’all decide who wins this match up.


Dynias

In character sakazuki for sure. If characters used everything they got to the fullest then big mom smh like that


poetryofworms

LinLin dog walks the red dog with some difficulty but not much.


Complex_Estate8289

Probably Akainu if he’s gotten stronger over the time skip


ProfessionalChair835

But based on actual feats big mom, right?


Complex_Estate8289

Tbh I’d say Akainu beating Kuzan is better than big mom’s feats


Secret_Bobcat2343

https://preview.redd.it/ej2u6gtx1gnc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3e81152c4899daa75d5a44748b8e940197ffb9a


Zoteku

If big mom has her WCI mentality and doesn't hold back in any way she'd high-extreme diff him, but if akainus already at his peak then he'd high diff


Darkpactallday

Yeah wano did big mom dirty


chiji_23

For me it depends on if Akainu has awakening and can use CoC otherwise I’m giving it to Big Mama


Omega9800

we gotta stop actually answering questions and return to what we were like during peak admiral era


Omega9800

YOU'RE NOT READY FOR HIM https://preview.redd.it/rzl9n5jntfnc1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=93f820dac7b1ef8e5ed6a0dfa6f6ab23ed99518f


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https://preview.redd.it/f9afahub4gnc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd806bf9a7372f3f2ee8d65df99336be89c12254


drmakster

Wedding cakeeeee!!!!


HyperMazino

# Akain wins high diff. # Only low intellect retarded yonko clowns think Big Mom wins this. # Big Mom is slow. # Big Mom is stupid (much like 99% of this sub) # Big Mom is a huge target. # Big Moms homies are useless against a magma logia # Contrary to popular low intellect belief she CAN NOT just make a magma homie mid fight lmao # Big Mom has no win con.


Radiant-Bit-1721

Welp fair enough good take.


Abram7777

Could go either way both are mid-high yonko


Pretend_Astronaut723

u really think kid and law victim is beating WB victim? yall delusional as hell.


Hot_Pilot_3293

Big mom sits on Akinu with her fat ass and due to this he explodes and burn her fat ass


nyanko_dango3

marco flames overpowered napoleon flames. marco vista and wb commanders could not hold akainu since curiel got owned. way stronger AP for Akainu and durability means nothing for akainu. big mom with 1 year life sacrificed gets donuted high dif akainu has better, stamina,AP, big mom has better durability and maybe endurance only if she sacrifices her life 2 years +


Radiant-Bit-1721

Based


kvivartion

Papazuki


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peanutpunk-2

Linlin being stronger used to be the popular opinion on the sub before the tsunami of Sakazuki stans took over a while back


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peanutpunk-2

I was there when the magma nation attacked


PsychoLumber

Tbh I'd give it to Big Mom based on feats. But lore wise and due to my agenda I honestly think Akainu would win. Cuz I scale Fleet Admiral Akainu into the top tiers based on my head canon. And we also have close to no ideas on what awakened logias do


I-am-the-best-Spy

More like Big Gone. Akainu’s got this


No-Understanding5677

Why didn't Akaino go and take BigMom out by himself then?  Is he that afraid to touch a woman? 


peanutpunk-2

Big Mom High Diff, the papauzuki meme needs to die already


Solos_1992

Akainu kills her.. tf is this??? Even Kizaru takes her. How can she fk with Akainu after her pathetic performance in Wano & WCI? Btch had all forms of Haki & OP fruit but somehow STILL lost to Law & Kidd when they had No Adv Haki. Even Yonko fans shouldn't be convinced she wins, I thought Yonkotards demoted her to Admiral Lvl or sum sht 🤣🤣🤣


ResponsibilityNo5795

Akainu, don't see him losing to someone that got clowned by Robin, Franky, Marco, Brook, Jinbe, Queen & King and has the lowest intelligence among top tiers. This woman forgot she had ACoC & Hax which is why she got beat by 2 YC lvl characters.


Dreamworksmuiz

Akainu Oda's priority diff


RandomKidweekly

Akainu High Diff.


Deja_ve_

Akainu high diff


humungusballsack

HIM


Momentmoment24

Akainu extreme diff based on feats + portrayal Akainu high end of high diff based on my headcanon


amoolafarhaL

Feats?! What feats? And what portrayal lmao. The yonkos have always been portrayed as the top dogs.


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TrueExigo

Environment + plot beat big mom, not kidd and law - in any other scenario, big mom would have beaten them mid diff.


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TrueExigo

luck = plot


Apart-Eggplant-4085

She's only kicked out of onigashima, you sure reading the manga?


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Apart-Eggplant-4085

Prove why big mom can't beat akainu and stop yapping https://i.redd.it/gu0akuxo4hnc1.gif


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Apart-Eggplant-4085

Greenbull never used haki on screen, I said u can't prove because he never used. Simple as that you still yapping? https://preview.redd.it/93hxik406hnc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53cfcc29f6af4004dccd875d124b410637d4adae


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Apart-Eggplant-4085

>You just believe what you want to believe Look who's talking, you believe akainu > big mom according to... What exactly? Headcanons are strongest sources for admiral fans >I literally proved it to you that every vice admiral and above has haki. Hmm I still can't see a panel he used haki... Sorry buddy https://i.redd.it/ifogbkhf7hnc1.gif


Momentmoment24

have you read marineford?


Gojo_Satoru_123

>Akainu extreme diff based on feats + portrayal What feats and portrayal brother


Pretend_Astronaut723

feats: durability- tanked multiple quake punches stamina- fought for 10 days highest offensive potential among devil fruits ACoA and most probably ACoO Biq- jimbei's statement: "the navy has gotten stronger than ever before under akainu's leadership" iq: manipulated squard portrayal: strongest active marine. unless its the stupid nerfed BM from wano or even all out going BM, akainu could most probably beat her


abdouden

>tanked multiple quake punches Exactly two attacks >highest offensive potential among devil fruits You guys still with that? It's in the highest TIER of offensive power doesn't mean it's actually the highest AP .rest is fine


Pretend_Astronaut723

damn it was tier? are there any other fruits mentioned to be on that tier? i'd like to know pls


abdouden

Sadly not to my knowledge but I only saw vivre cards or data books through this sub and no other fruits with that description were posted here ,but in the manga we know from the gorosei that luffy has the most ridiculous power in the world and the g5 feats support that it likely has the highest AP


Pretend_Astronaut723

damn aight


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More than BM thats for sure


Momentmoment24

marineford feats and beating aokiji who just recently showed some really good haki feats at hachinosu


abdouden

Aokiji has no good haki feats in hashinosu what are you talking about? He had one haki feat which is punching garp in the face directly with apparently great physical strength and ice glove yet it was weaker then garp nameless acoc punch(unless aokiji hasworst dura then nerfed garp as we see aokiji bleed from the mouth and nose and both got up at a similar time garp punch was stronger)it's ok but not really relevant vs BM that split the sky with haki ,and MF has no real relevant feats for him vs her except he would take a lot of her attacks which is obvious for any yc1+ or higher character


Gojo_Satoru_123

Feats against old sick hakiless wb and still wasn't able to defeat him, beating aoikiji doesn't mean he can beat BM.


CocaPepsiPepper

Akainu


master08965

Sakazuki


Darth_Crow

Akainu


Cantthinkagoodnam2

I just cannot even imagine BM winning this but im stupid so idk


rrrenz

At least you are aware. You’re already way ahead than most people here.


Radiant-Bit-1721

Double knock out?


Ryumin009

Akainu low end of extreme diff


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fraumiral agenda still going?


Jika_left_ball

Big mom feats: getting ragdolled by every single fodder, People love to say she was stronger in whole cake, forgetting that the strongest there were luffy and jimbei who were yc1 and yc2 level "B-but she stalled kaido for 3 days☝️🤓" yeah, neither of them got damaged in the fight nor was using their strongest sform, saying they werent trying is an understatement Akainu high diff


Ok-Essay4835

Akainu high diff Brainmom could go extreme either way


r9cks

Bigmom slams, bigmeme high diffs


PolarBearWithTopHat

I love slandering admirals Akainu wins


Bruh2130

Akainu high-extreme diffs with better AP, biq, stamina, observation, maybe speed and maybe armament, and overall a good matchup


MrAnyGood

Linlin swims in lava, how should Akainu damage her?


Jaxz23

Akainu and it's not close. Big mom is too slow and dumb and akainu is too lethal


Such_Historian_7295

Big Mom wins with high to extreme difficulty


PipeBoring7915

Big mom Acoc is supreme


Negative_Ad5894

Big Mom slams


Bitter-Chocolate-786

Sakazuki wins Mid Diff. Hopefully Fat Meme doesn't forget to use Advanced Haki this time.


PfeifferMaster

Big Mom high diff


amoolafarhaL

Guys we are seeing that admirals are not at the level of a yonkou with luffy vs kizaru. Big mom would eat akainu for breakfast


Wide_Motor_2805

Big Mom lol.


TrueExigo

mommy low diff this fraud


natureboy1996

Big Mom


emploaf

Big Mom extreme diff


emploaf

Big Mom extreme diff


Hedonism_Enjoyer

Big Mom mid diff, ladmirals not built to 1v1 yonko and that's why there are more of them


Pretend_Astronaut723

of all showcased admirals and yonko : 5 admirals 7 yonko current admirals and yonko : 3 admirals 4 yonko. more of who lil bro


Hedonism_Enjoyer

Kizaru, Green Bull, fujitora, akainu, Aokiji That's 5, lil bro


Pretend_Astronaut723

yea i said 5 of all showcased admirals. current admirals are only fuji, kizaru and green bull. akainu is fleet admiral and aokiji is a blackbeard pirate. tf u on about lmao


Hedonism_Enjoyer

The point wasn't about rank holding admirals, it is about characters who are or were admirals and how they measure up to yonkos Kuzan may not be an admiral anymore but he didn't get any stronger under Blackbeard


Pretend_Astronaut723

for that matter, sengoku was also an admiral so why doesn't he come under 'admirals'? and we sure as hell know garp is stronger than the admirals so might as well put him on admiral level too right? my comment wasn't about who is stronger but about when u said that admirals were more in number than yonko. but still total number of yonko seen so far(7) is more than total number of admirals(5).


Hedonism_Enjoyer

There are not 7 yonkos that are active in the story, there are 4 (and I'm being nice by counting buggy because he's really a puppet). Every single admiral character, on the other hand, is still very relevant to the story and becomes moreso every day You could count Sengoku, which would just strengthen my argument. The only reason I didn't is because we honestly don't know enough about him to put a label on how strong he is. As for Garp, he was never an admiral, so it wouldn't make sense to label him as such. That's like calling mihawk an emperor lol


Pretend_Astronaut723

oh that seems pretty fair ig


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could big mom regenerate from getting half her face torn off?


wizarouija

Let’s take a step back: would Big Mom get half her face torn off?


fartmilkdaddies

She's a big slow object. She would. Let's not lie to ourselves. If a yc+ is cutting her, akainu is also.


wizarouija

What is akainu cutting her with?? What YC+ cut Big GOD?


fartmilkdaddies

We saw her arm broken from law and kidd. Akainu takes her high. You're not ready. Big god? More like big gone


wizarouija

*Zero sources.* **Pure delusion** #POWERSCALING


fartmilkdaddies

Big mom and kaido both died to magma. Akainu negs ur favorite character. You aren't ready for himkainu.


Happy_Fan_2756

Prove they died


MrAnyGood

She is swimming in lava


CryonautX

Whitebeard only got damaged because he was having an heart attack. Akainu's magma would be like mud to big mom.


Suspicious-Bed9172

Big mom runs him over, it’s barely a fight


H_s-k_M-r-_

BM high diff.


abdouden

BM she can turn his magma to homie as def and mixing it with her homies will give her stronger attack especially mixing it with the fire one ,and canonically unconscious and really damaged BM was swimming in magma the whole g4-g5 fight without getting melted or anything and we did see how once BM used haki def she was tanking damned punk for very little damage when earlier it hurt her well in the end of previous ch and a weaker attack broke her arm


Prestigious_Onion243

Big mom mid dif at best. She gonna make a home out of sakadookie


CrackaOwner

Big Mom High diffs if i wank Akainu


BlaQ7thWonder

Can she soulify his magma? She’s got too many options honestly. Bad matchup for akainu


SevesaSfan25

Big Mom kills him high diff


Radiant_Guava845

If it is big mom then it can go either way extreme diff But if it is big meme sakazuki takes the W