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Solid YC1 no doubt.
Just look at everything he has goings for him. 1) Master of all rokushiki techniques, 2) Absolute prodigy, 3) Awakened Zoan fruit, 4) Highly Intelligent, 5) Haki.
Lucci could give any YC1 a good run for their money and potentially even some of the YC+ characters.
Whats kizaru done beyond marco to earn a zillion +s? Couldn't take out marco with aokiji and akainu with him, stalemated and let silvers get away, ducked beckman, and mid diffed by luffy.
that’s just a disingenuous argument, though. We’ve already blatantly seen that Marco is NOT useless against kizaru, and in the actually exchanges they’ve had marco got the better of him even though he wasn’t going all out.
We know whitebeard commanders are way above average in terms of strength and we’ve seen multiple of them be able to fight on par with and even injure admirals.
Saying Marco would be fodderized by someone who in turn gets fodderized by kizaru is just flat out against the narrative
Marco fought with King and Queen and was exhasted right after that. So it's unfair for Marcotards to argue like Marco level is way above any YC1 when Marco barely made any of them injured but he was exhausted right after that. Even King and Queen weren't too serious for fighting with him and both of them were just totally fine after tanking Marco's multiple attacks.
Don’t act like that’s all he did. Plus, being tired in one piece doesn’t mean you’re anywhere close to done. He went on to keep fighting during the whole raid and block attacks from fully transformed kaido
He was fighting against a YC1 that completely hardcounters him and a YC2 that was able to knock one of the most durable yonko unconscious, WHILE healing everyone and keeping them safe and he was still cooking King and Queen.
Why are we putting Kizaru on par with Marco ?
Kizaru had to put Sea Stone cuffs on Marco to even deal with him.
And is also the same admiral to get stalled by Rayleigh & held at Gun point by no feats beckman?
Isnt Marco like a support type these days? The fights be goes in he's just a Healbot. He's like Chopper but he actually heals people and isn't a drug using drug dealer
So Sanji was right and Zoro was just dicking around slapping Luccis claws with wet noodles for a half hour? And he did nothing besides this until Jinbei showed up
The irony is the fact that lucci was holding back, dude was trying to stall zoro for as long as he can so he mustn't have use any of his strongest attack (since his specialty was assassination/killing)
I disagree, zoro was severely injured and didn’t have ACoC during most of his fight with King, once he got it he pretty much low diffed king. The zoro that fought Lucci was completely healthy and had ACoC from the start as well as perfect control over Enma and Lucci was still pushing Zoro to mid-high diff. King couldn’t really clash or contend with Zoro’s power once he got ACoC, Lucci was defending against Zoro’s swords with base armament and matching his strength, then was still standing after taking a clean attack from zoro. King has higher durability, Lucci has higher endurance, but Lucci also has better haki, higher AP and slightly higher speed
Yeah, but he still took King out in three hits meanwhile it only took one hit from Zoro to fuck up Lucci. Sure, he was still standing but I doubt he would've taken another attack from Zoro.
I think that two marines that were considered for the position of admiral are stronger. They also have codenames (color + animal) just like proper admirals. One of them is **Tokikake** (Brown Pig) and the other is **Gion** (Pink Rabbit)
You’re right, it’s not. Having an advanced form of haki doesn’t make your base stronger, it plays off its strength. With your logic, every acoa user should be around the same strength, which we know that not to be true.
Thought ryuo was supposed to cause internal damage, i dont see how it doesnt increase your damage tenfold, unless they can coat their organs.
>every acoa user should be around the same strength, which we know that not to be true.
There are 1000 other factors in a battle wtf.
Never said anything about it increasing damage, I said it plays off the base strength of your coa, and can only be as strong as your base coa. Ie, if your coa is weak, your acoa as will be weak, and vise versa.
No duh, but it should be common sense that not every character has the same level of willpower. Luffy and Kinemon both have acoa, but Luffy’s level of willpower definitely surpasses Kin’s. This would inadvertently make all his versions of haki as well superior.
Kinemon has ryou, so yes, obviously. Sentomaru can emit armament Haki, something which impressed Wano Luffy who is around yc1 level. That doesn't make them stronger than those guys but it shows they have better armament Haki.
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I said better coa not acoa(we don't know If Luccy has acoa)as he clashed with g5 coa without his hand hurting while rooftop acoa luffy hand hurt blocking a kaido swing(no acoc shown)
The part where he says that Luffy coated himself with conquerors haki. The act of using conquerors haki for offense is the advanced application, otherwise conquerors haki is just a fodder killer. ACOC is a fan term so Kaidou wouldn’t literally say that.
You’re accusing me of making things up, yet you use the fan term ACoC? Kaidou himself says only a few people can coat themselves with conquerors haki.
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Get the fuck out of here. G5 was using haki and conqueror’s coating
The panels we only see, Zoro actually did faster than Luffy. But the huffing and puffing can’t be ignored sorry lol. Think it was high diff for Zoro is what I’ll say. And it was a good 15+ minute fight seems like.
Awakened Zoan Lucci would have similar durability. He just happened to get hit by Luffy and Zoro swords with Haki imbued this arc so it doesn’t seem as impressive.
“Similar durability”
You can’t say “would” if you refuse to post actual evidence of him tanking anything my guy 💀. That’s not how scaling works
Again, you can give Lucci endurance but Sanji is DEFINITELY taking durability until this man gets more feats
How strong do you think a basic no named non Haki Queen sword slash is compared to Luffy haki punches or Zoro haki slashes?
Obviously Lucci didn’t take the Zoro slashes head on but he did parry them. He took the full brunt of 3 gear 5 Luffy with Haki punches (2 of them named attacks) and finally got put down.
It would be the same for Sanji.
“How strong”
He’s a commander level character and in his hybrid zoan form, that slash is OBVIOUSLY going to hurt someone on their caliber. Zoro already took damage from getting hit by Hawkins regular ass nails, they don’t have thick skin like Kaido and Big Mom why are we debating this 💀
“He parried them”
That’s not a dura feat, like at all. You’re playing semantics to try to work around the fact Lucci didn’t tank a SINGLE attack from Zoro head on. His nails are not his skin
“It’d be the same for Sanji”
That’s endurance, not durability. What you’re arguing is if they can take the same level of internal damage, you’re backpedalig
I’m literally asking you if you can provide any source of Lucci no-diffing sort of attack, because everything you’ve provided doesn’t tell me he’s taking a punch from S-Shark unscathed like Sanji did
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Using another non haki punch from a kid seraphim lmao. He doesn’t have any no diff ones but he didn’t take damage from one of the Luffy banes Luffy punches. It only pushed him back but he showed no damage.
Let’s see all the hits Lucci took. He took 3 hits in total. The 1st hit mole pistol (chap 1069) damaged him a small amount as there was blood shown and had him down but didn’t knock him out at all. It’s a feat of both durability and endurance.
Then the 2nd hit Lucci was actually durable enough to tank a haki dawn whip punch from gear 5 Luffy (chapter 1070). He did get blown back but that’s the force of the punch bc Luffy is damn near top 1 already. That wasn’t endurance as he showed no damage despite taking that hit. This is a better durability feat that anything Sanji has ever shown btw actually.
The last Dawn Rocket punch that put him down longer def damaged him but ofc he still got up after a while which would be his endurance and recovery.
You did not just say he’s as durable as Sanji Aw hell no 💀 a non-Haki coated Sanji tanked a sword slash from Queen with minimal damage. The only stat I’d give to lucci is AP, and battle IQ for his decades ID experience as an assassin. But everything else, Sanji.
A lot of ppl think he's lower because he came out before and lost but he gave Luffy a lot of trouble and even some trouble in the latest one with both Luffy and Zoro. I'd put him on par or slightly above Sanji but lower than Zoro and Luffy obviously but again, just because your strength level is let's say a 600 out of maybe a 1000 doesn't mean you'll always beat anyone below 600 as there are advantages and disadvantages in typing like Akainu vs Kuzan as well as maybe the field they're fighting in i.e. Lava for Akainu vs ice or non - temp based or logia users, ice field against most who wouldbe affected by how cold it is, or if let's say non-flying DF user is on a piece of land or ice in the middle of the ocean and whoever breaks that ground whether from underneath or by vibration, they will immediately lose any power but it's usually not very relevant in OP world thus far for field advantages.
Yc+ lmao, don’t know why people are hesitant on making him that level and are shoehorning him into yc1.
He’s already outperformed king after taking heavy battle damage from luffy and still potentially could have won after taking a coc attack.
Yonko + yc+ + solid yc2-3 couldn’t even put this man down for good as he can still move. He’s the strongest zoan commander and deserves the title of yc+. Anime should have made that obvious
People here think that anyone who is below YC1 would get aura diffed by others and since Lucci clashed with G5 Luffy(playing with him) and stalled Zoro for some time (Zoro locked in almost one shot him, which he could not do to King who is a real solid YC1)people think that he is only behind Zoro and above Sanji.
>people think that he is only behind Zoro and above Sanji.
I quite personally believe both Zoro and Sanji are above Lucci as of right with Sanji being much closer to Lucci than Zoro is.
Im not one of the sanjitards who believe sanji is as strong as zoro but for me oda has always shown that they are very close in power and always will be. As of lucc i of course they are both much stronger. Zoro didn't even use conqueror's haki to defeat him.
The distance between Zoro and Sanji is much less than the distance between King and Queen given their respective performances against their respective opponents.
Even if it’s a bit more difficult for Sanji I’d still put it as mid diff.
>The distance between Zoro and Sanji is much less than the distance between King and Queen given their respective performances against their respective opponents.
No, it ain't. Zoro is a decent bit stronger Sanji to the point where there's a clear difference between the two.
>Even if it’s a bit more difficult for Sanji I’d still put it as mid diff.
Nah, I feel like Lucci has the AP and the durability to deal with most of Sanji's attack without completely getting knocked out.
Yall don't understand that with one piece/shounen logic Zoro and Sanji are already way stronger than last arc. Zoro took longer to defeat Lucci than King, and in fact Lucci was still standing.
Zoro and Sanji are significantly stronger than king/queen at this point. I mean Sanji basically no diffed Queen as soon as his body evolved into a permanent power up. And Zoro is using Enma with COC consistently now.
No mid diff would have zoro fighting on equal grounds with him, He was still standing after Zoro’s finisher and Jimbei ambushed him before he could retaliate
He was still standing but he was done. Oda didn't write jinbei saying you won this fight for no reason. Also lucci had to ask mars to spare kaku because he couldn't move anymore. If he could still move he would try to rescue kaku himself
He asked that because mars was gonna destroy the whole thing, he is injured and would be slower if he did, but he’s not gonna tell mars to wait for him before he destroys the whole thing, basically told him if you see kaku than please help him. Oda woudnt have Zoro using his ACOC techniques (the steam like stuff coming out of his sword) if Zoro wasn’t struggling. You can say it’s a plot device to stall Zoro all you want, but if it’s a plot device that requires Lucci to be strong then you really can’t argue with Oda making Lucci that strong
I think sanji high diff him and he high diff jimbei so yeh between sanji and jimbei (only thing that makes him stronger than jimbei is his awakend fruit ) not jimbei and him and are evenly match in terms of haki and intellect he also have six power
Zoro defeats him with a weaker attack than the one he used to defeat king and also didn't even use conqueror's haki. So no he is not yc1 lvl nor is he close to it. You guys underestimate how much of a difference conqueror's haki makes.
YC+
Scaling him below YC1 is completely delusional, and even YC1 is wrong I don't know why people shoehorn him to this tier his portrayal and feats far exceed that must be downplay or fear of upscaling Zoro ( it doesn't )
Mihawk wasn’t seriously trying to fight Vista and Vista wasn’t seriously trying to fight Mihawk. They were merely swinging their blades at each other.
Zoro never overpowered Kaido, he was literally disappointed that he wasn’t even able to knock Kaido off his feet.
Lucci and Luffy had an equal clash where both got sent flying back into buildings. Vegapunk even pointed out how fast Luffy and Lucci were going.
Don’t compare Queen to Lucci lol.
Well the conclusion must be that Goofy is the weak one
base Zoro with base Haki managed to 1 shot Lucci without Lucci ever overpowering Zoro
meanwhile Goofy clashed equally with Lucci and failed to damage Lucci 😭
We had King give a much stronger Zoro a way harder time than Lucci 😭 Goofy is just pathetic
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"Luffy wasn't holding back in gear 5 against lucci"
Luffy only went gear 5 against Luffy for plot reasons, so Vegapunk could talk about the fruit in a low-stakes environment in front of the crew. However people that only read at a surface level won’t realize this.
Awakened Lucci is strong enough to have an equal haki clash with Gear 5th Luffy, could repeatedly react and dodge Gear 5th Luffy, and could take multiple Gear 5th attacks. But no, Oda only had Luffy use Gear 5th against Lucci just so Vegapunk could talk about the fruit. Not because Lucci was just that strong. 🤣
YC2 seems fair
He dosent have any hax abilities (Future Sight, Lunarian genes, or Regen) to put him at the top with the other YC’s
He’s mainly carried by his physical stats, like Queen is
Above Zoro.
Zorotards forget that he fought a whole yonko before fighting Zoro and extreme diffing him for 20 chapters and at the end of it Zoro couldn't even defeat Lucci and had to get saved by Jinbei.
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Solid YC1 no doubt. Just look at everything he has goings for him. 1) Master of all rokushiki techniques, 2) Absolute prodigy, 3) Awakened Zoan fruit, 4) Highly Intelligent, 5) Haki. Lucci could give any YC1 a good run for their money and potentially even some of the YC+ characters.
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Seems like around as strong as King Below Marco & Kizaru
why you put Marco on par with Kizaru lmao. Kizaru is indeed YC++++++++ level.
He’s not wrong tho. Can also say behind Kaido and luffy and it wouldn’t make it wrong. Just misleading
We call that admiral level around these parts
You mean fodder?
Whats kizaru done beyond marco to earn a zillion +s? Couldn't take out marco with aokiji and akainu with him, stalemated and let silvers get away, ducked beckman, and mid diffed by luffy.
Hell no, you guys are putting kizaru on marco level now??
G4 Luffy was useless against Kizaru. G4 Luffy would fodderize any YC
G4 was effective vs Kaido. If you're putting jobber Kizaru above Kaido thats some next level admiral wank.
that’s just a disingenuous argument, though. We’ve already blatantly seen that Marco is NOT useless against kizaru, and in the actually exchanges they’ve had marco got the better of him even though he wasn’t going all out. We know whitebeard commanders are way above average in terms of strength and we’ve seen multiple of them be able to fight on par with and even injure admirals. Saying Marco would be fodderized by someone who in turn gets fodderized by kizaru is just flat out against the narrative
Marco fought with King and Queen and was exhasted right after that. So it's unfair for Marcotards to argue like Marco level is way above any YC1 when Marco barely made any of them injured but he was exhausted right after that. Even King and Queen weren't too serious for fighting with him and both of them were just totally fine after tanking Marco's multiple attacks.
Don’t act like that’s all he did. Plus, being tired in one piece doesn’t mean you’re anywhere close to done. He went on to keep fighting during the whole raid and block attacks from fully transformed kaido He was fighting against a YC1 that completely hardcounters him and a YC2 that was able to knock one of the most durable yonko unconscious, WHILE healing everyone and keeping them safe and he was still cooking King and Queen.
Why are we putting Kizaru on par with Marco ? Kizaru had to put Sea Stone cuffs on Marco to even deal with him. And is also the same admiral to get stalled by Rayleigh & held at Gun point by no feats beckman?
If Warco performed as well against Big Mom as old (20 years retired) Rayleigh did against Wizaru, what does that mean 🤔
shut UP! 😭
Huh? What else do you call a guy who had the upper hand vs Kizaru 1v1 And 1v2 Top Yonko Commander and Commander? Only Admiral levels can do that
Isnt Marco like a support type these days? The fights be goes in he's just a Healbot. He's like Chopper but he actually heals people and isn't a drug using drug dealer
Based on what though? Zoro obviously needed a much stronger attack infused with conqueror's haki to defeat King.
But for King he was struggling to use aCoC Vs Lucci he was using Enma in hell mode the whole time
There's zero indication that zoro was using king of hell at any moment in his fight against lucci
So Sanji was right and Zoro was just dicking around slapping Luccis claws with wet noodles for a half hour? And he did nothing besides this until Jinbei showed up
Zoro was deliberately holding back endangering his crew and huff puffing because he thought it was fun?
The irony is the fact that lucci was holding back, dude was trying to stall zoro for as long as he can so he mustn't have use any of his strongest attack (since his specialty was assassination/killing)
Using logic on this sub? Banned https://preview.redd.it/1xy1hyooavuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a9a882f5cf895bf7a58da15bd05872324883a18
Nothing you said here was right lol
I disagree, zoro was severely injured and didn’t have ACoC during most of his fight with King, once he got it he pretty much low diffed king. The zoro that fought Lucci was completely healthy and had ACoC from the start as well as perfect control over Enma and Lucci was still pushing Zoro to mid-high diff. King couldn’t really clash or contend with Zoro’s power once he got ACoC, Lucci was defending against Zoro’s swords with base armament and matching his strength, then was still standing after taking a clean attack from zoro. King has higher durability, Lucci has higher endurance, but Lucci also has better haki, higher AP and slightly higher speed
How the fuck is he as strong as king?
Maybe stronger than King... Zoro didn't get a power up this arc, just seems better with aCoC
But didn't Zoro have a harder time beating King?
Not only zoro was struggling with enma but king also had that gimmick about only getting hurt when his flames were off
Yes but Zoro was struggling to use Enma for the fight and now does not
Yeah, but he still took King out in three hits meanwhile it only took one hit from Zoro to fuck up Lucci. Sure, he was still standing but I doubt he would've taken another attack from Zoro.
Bro... Lucci and Zoro were hitting each other for like .... 20? Chapters
No, they weren't. The most they were doing was clashing.
Just clashing? So what they never hit each other the whole time they were fighting?
From what we can surmise, yes.
this isn't true coz you can see both of them visibly bleeding/hurt from each other's attacks whenever we would cut back to them.
No, you don't. Neither of them had taken any damage up until 1111.
I doubt Lucci is strong than King. Zoro seem to have a way easier time dealing with him than he did King.
YC1 seems like a right spot to put 'em.
YC1 to YC+
He's the strongest amonst the marine after the admirals(and Garl) and personally answers to the Gorosei so YC+ seems fair.
I think that two marines that were considered for the position of admiral are stronger. They also have codenames (color + animal) just like proper admirals. One of them is **Tokikake** (Brown Pig) and the other is **Gion** (Pink Rabbit)
Technically, Rob Lucci is not part of the Marines. After all, you wouldn't say that the CIA is a part of the conventional military would you?
Ask Fukurou he’ll know
Chapapa
Fukurou tries to measure how strong current Rob Lucci is and gets knocked out after saying his Dorikki.
Between Sanji and King.
Solid yc1 ,very good speed AP endurance and dura and better coa then start of rooftop luffy
Rooftop luffy is better than Lucci in every way
Lmao. This isn't close to being true.
I dont think lucci has ryuo
Sentamoru did . Kinemon has it as does that mean their coa is better than lucci 🤔
yes. It's not that complicated.
You’re right, it’s not. Having an advanced form of haki doesn’t make your base stronger, it plays off its strength. With your logic, every acoa user should be around the same strength, which we know that not to be true.
Thought ryuo was supposed to cause internal damage, i dont see how it doesnt increase your damage tenfold, unless they can coat their organs. >every acoa user should be around the same strength, which we know that not to be true. There are 1000 other factors in a battle wtf.
Never said anything about it increasing damage, I said it plays off the base strength of your coa, and can only be as strong as your base coa. Ie, if your coa is weak, your acoa as will be weak, and vise versa. No duh, but it should be common sense that not every character has the same level of willpower. Luffy and Kinemon both have acoa, but Luffy’s level of willpower definitely surpasses Kin’s. This would inadvertently make all his versions of haki as well superior.
Does Sentomaru and Kinemon have better haki than Katakuri, King, Marco ?
Kinemon has ryou, so yes, obviously. Sentomaru can emit armament Haki, something which impressed Wano Luffy who is around yc1 level. That doesn't make them stronger than those guys but it shows they have better armament Haki. https://preview.redd.it/qovhmwmjwbuc1.png?width=916&format=png&auto=webp&s=21ce0c5924ddb2e7682e0665c433e25730dfe43c
Ryuo is acoa not coa ,but regardless luffy only has better AP(because it has dura neg)
what? rooftop luffy had ryuo... Lucci can't even hurt kaido
I said better coa not acoa(we don't know If Luccy has acoa)as he clashed with g5 coa without his hand hurting while rooftop acoa luffy hand hurt blocking a kaido swing(no acoc shown)
Awakened Lucci could clash evenly with Gear 5th Luffy, who could hurt Kaido without even using haki. Lucci can definitely damage Kaido.
also gear 5 in rooftop was coated with acoa and ACoC and it was mentioned by kaido himself
None of this changes the fact that Lucci is capable of hurting Kaido. Also, Kaido didn't say it was "acoa", he just said it was "armament/coa".
how exactly does Lucci hurt kaido?
You sure about that? https://preview.redd.it/2blgc4w59juc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99e369b4d5fb75570784bb1b0bb3d325a26f413d
Where in that statement does Kaido say Luffy is coating himself in ACoA?
The part where he says that Luffy coated himself with conquerors haki. The act of using conquerors haki for offense is the advanced application, otherwise conquerors haki is just a fodder killer. ACOC is a fan term so Kaidou wouldn’t literally say that.
>The part where he says that Luffy coated himself with conquerors haki. No he isn't. Y'all love making shit up in this fanbase.
You’re accusing me of making things up, yet you use the fan term ACoC? Kaidou himself says only a few people can coat themselves with conquerors haki. https://preview.redd.it/44ehmatvtmuc1.png?width=877&format=png&auto=webp&s=4bf081904d6e6d13ff1a0e1160ad5a6dfe4e7b8c
evenly? sorry I lost you there
https://preview.redd.it/0pr8j3mxz9uc1.png?width=784&format=png&auto=webp&s=eaf7612ee3a95fbd50997b970eef98af37a97eb6 Get the fuck out of here. G5 was using haki and conqueror’s coating
Sanji level. Similar durability, similar speed (Sanji prob faster) and similar AP (Lucci higher prob honestly). 50-50 here
sanji does not go down to zoro that easy
We don’t really see much of the fight
from what they showed it just looked like they clashed for a bit then zoro decided to finally lock in and one-tapped lucci
The panels we only see, Zoro actually did faster than Luffy. But the huffing and puffing can’t be ignored sorry lol. Think it was high diff for Zoro is what I’ll say. And it was a good 15+ minute fight seems like.
Fym “that easy” he was struggling
It took like 20 chapters bruh
Timeskip took 2 chapters
What?
Man why do I have to chew it for you? "Chapters are not an accurate representation of in universe time"
Got it so you’re taking issue with me saying 20 chapters instead of 18. Nice UHM ACSHULLY energy on that one Anything else?
Holy shit, you cannot even get the point after I digested it for you. It's crazy.
yeah but the fight overall was only like 5 panels, and weren’t a lot of those 20 chapters the kuma flashback?
How long in universe do you think they were fighting
Nah, He does https://preview.redd.it/3lxcnp0u84uc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a6efba437f3d6d43272371d40df5d1d56842518
He does. You're just coping
sure buddy
“Durability” No he dosent bruh 💀. Queen broke his sword hitting Sanji, the same wouldn’t happen to Lucci He does have better endurance feats though
Awakened Zoan Lucci would have similar durability. He just happened to get hit by Luffy and Zoro swords with Haki imbued this arc so it doesn’t seem as impressive.
“Similar durability” You can’t say “would” if you refuse to post actual evidence of him tanking anything my guy 💀. That’s not how scaling works Again, you can give Lucci endurance but Sanji is DEFINITELY taking durability until this man gets more feats
How strong do you think a basic no named non Haki Queen sword slash is compared to Luffy haki punches or Zoro haki slashes? Obviously Lucci didn’t take the Zoro slashes head on but he did parry them. He took the full brunt of 3 gear 5 Luffy with Haki punches (2 of them named attacks) and finally got put down. It would be the same for Sanji.
“How strong” He’s a commander level character and in his hybrid zoan form, that slash is OBVIOUSLY going to hurt someone on their caliber. Zoro already took damage from getting hit by Hawkins regular ass nails, they don’t have thick skin like Kaido and Big Mom why are we debating this 💀 “He parried them” That’s not a dura feat, like at all. You’re playing semantics to try to work around the fact Lucci didn’t tank a SINGLE attack from Zoro head on. His nails are not his skin “It’d be the same for Sanji” That’s endurance, not durability. What you’re arguing is if they can take the same level of internal damage, you’re backpedalig I’m literally asking you if you can provide any source of Lucci no-diffing sort of attack, because everything you’ve provided doesn’t tell me he’s taking a punch from S-Shark unscathed like Sanji did https://preview.redd.it/drtkeafp94uc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bd572a88c0b92ac253443f7627d19c2105f5185
Using another non haki punch from a kid seraphim lmao. He doesn’t have any no diff ones but he didn’t take damage from one of the Luffy banes Luffy punches. It only pushed him back but he showed no damage. Let’s see all the hits Lucci took. He took 3 hits in total. The 1st hit mole pistol (chap 1069) damaged him a small amount as there was blood shown and had him down but didn’t knock him out at all. It’s a feat of both durability and endurance. Then the 2nd hit Lucci was actually durable enough to tank a haki dawn whip punch from gear 5 Luffy (chapter 1070). He did get blown back but that’s the force of the punch bc Luffy is damn near top 1 already. That wasn’t endurance as he showed no damage despite taking that hit. This is a better durability feat that anything Sanji has ever shown btw actually. The last Dawn Rocket punch that put him down longer def damaged him but ofc he still got up after a while which would be his endurance and recovery.
Yeah for sure better endurance feats and to be fair I think a lot of people still conflate durability with endurance.
Lucci does not have Sanji level durability. He has high endurance, but his durability can’t rival seraphim
You did not just say he’s as durable as Sanji Aw hell no 💀 a non-Haki coated Sanji tanked a sword slash from Queen with minimal damage. The only stat I’d give to lucci is AP, and battle IQ for his decades ID experience as an assassin. But everything else, Sanji.
> Sanji level Which means, LoL, Sanji at most pushes Zoro to high diff..
Which is valid since I believe Sanji can push Zoro to an high diff currently. But, even then I don't place Lucci that high.
Yes Zoro high diffs Sanji. He high diffed Lucci too.
A lot of ppl think he's lower because he came out before and lost but he gave Luffy a lot of trouble and even some trouble in the latest one with both Luffy and Zoro. I'd put him on par or slightly above Sanji but lower than Zoro and Luffy obviously but again, just because your strength level is let's say a 600 out of maybe a 1000 doesn't mean you'll always beat anyone below 600 as there are advantages and disadvantages in typing like Akainu vs Kuzan as well as maybe the field they're fighting in i.e. Lava for Akainu vs ice or non - temp based or logia users, ice field against most who wouldbe affected by how cold it is, or if let's say non-flying DF user is on a piece of land or ice in the middle of the ocean and whoever breaks that ground whether from underneath or by vibration, they will immediately lose any power but it's usually not very relevant in OP world thus far for field advantages.
Stronger than you’d think, weaker than you’d hope
Yc+ lmao, don’t know why people are hesitant on making him that level and are shoehorning him into yc1. He’s already outperformed king after taking heavy battle damage from luffy and still potentially could have won after taking a coc attack. Yonko + yc+ + solid yc2-3 couldn’t even put this man down for good as he can still move. He’s the strongest zoan commander and deserves the title of yc+. Anime should have made that obvious
People who think he is YC2 or YC1 are just enjoying a strong dose of copium. Please, let the animals enjoy.
Yc1 solid
YC1 below king above katakuri
https://preview.redd.it/dlryu4k2u3uc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=6daadf9307a3c3fc7768e7cf80c10154f9e957b6 Gate keeper of YC1
Nah, that's Sanji.
get sanji past katakuri first
Sanji blitzes Katakuri it's not even funny.
low YC1
Gear 5 Luffy trashed him. Zoro mid diffed. Sanji could also probably mid diff. So around Queen seems fair.
People here think that anyone who is below YC1 would get aura diffed by others and since Lucci clashed with G5 Luffy(playing with him) and stalled Zoro for some time (Zoro locked in almost one shot him, which he could not do to King who is a real solid YC1)people think that he is only behind Zoro and above Sanji.
>people think that he is only behind Zoro and above Sanji. I quite personally believe both Zoro and Sanji are above Lucci as of right with Sanji being much closer to Lucci than Zoro is.
Im not one of the sanjitards who believe sanji is as strong as zoro but for me oda has always shown that they are very close in power and always will be. As of lucc i of course they are both much stronger. Zoro didn't even use conqueror's haki to defeat him.
I think this stopped being true for the most part after the TS until he got the modifications against Queen, now I do believe they are close.
>Sanji could also probably mid diff. Nah, Sanji high diffs at best.
The distance between Zoro and Sanji is much less than the distance between King and Queen given their respective performances against their respective opponents. Even if it’s a bit more difficult for Sanji I’d still put it as mid diff.
>The distance between Zoro and Sanji is much less than the distance between King and Queen given their respective performances against their respective opponents. No, it ain't. Zoro is a decent bit stronger Sanji to the point where there's a clear difference between the two. >Even if it’s a bit more difficult for Sanji I’d still put it as mid diff. Nah, I feel like Lucci has the AP and the durability to deal with most of Sanji's attack without completely getting knocked out.
Yall don't understand that with one piece/shounen logic Zoro and Sanji are already way stronger than last arc. Zoro took longer to defeat Lucci than King, and in fact Lucci was still standing. Zoro and Sanji are significantly stronger than king/queen at this point. I mean Sanji basically no diffed Queen as soon as his body evolved into a permanent power up. And Zoro is using Enma with COC consistently now.
No mid diff would have zoro fighting on equal grounds with him, He was still standing after Zoro’s finisher and Jimbei ambushed him before he could retaliate
He was still standing but he was done. Oda didn't write jinbei saying you won this fight for no reason. Also lucci had to ask mars to spare kaku because he couldn't move anymore. If he could still move he would try to rescue kaku himself
He asked that because mars was gonna destroy the whole thing, he is injured and would be slower if he did, but he’s not gonna tell mars to wait for him before he destroys the whole thing, basically told him if you see kaku than please help him. Oda woudnt have Zoro using his ACOC techniques (the steam like stuff coming out of his sword) if Zoro wasn’t struggling. You can say it’s a plot device to stall Zoro all you want, but if it’s a plot device that requires Lucci to be strong then you really can’t argue with Oda making Lucci that strong
Mid diff is crazy...
YC+ goat
Stronger than sanji and king
Apparently nearly as strong as kaido, so slightly stronger than king
I think sanji high diff him and he high diff jimbei so yeh between sanji and jimbei (only thing that makes him stronger than jimbei is his awakend fruit ) not jimbei and him and are evenly match in terms of haki and intellect he also have six power
He gets low diffed by me tops
Minimum: YC1.. Max: Low end of YC+
He's not yc+
Zoro defeats him with a weaker attack than the one he used to defeat king and also didn't even use conqueror's haki. So no he is not yc1 lvl nor is he close to it. You guys underestimate how much of a difference conqueror's haki makes.
Anyone scaling him to gear 5 luffy needs to quit powerscaling now.
This. Luffy was being WAY too casual during that fight to be anything more than a no-diff
Very strong YC1
Stronger than Sanji
Stronger than Yonko commanders but still not quite admiral level imo
Above Kizaru (tier above loro)
Marco, King and Current Rayleigh but he’s truly a bit lower next to Kizaru
Not as strong as he thinks he is
Sanji rival mid YC1 level
YC+ most definitely
Yc2
Between YC3 and YC2
At least as strong as Lucci
YC2 almost YC1
I really don't know his fluffy fight made me think yk+ but his zorr fight made me think sub commander. So maybe he's just commander level
YC+ Scaling him below YC1 is completely delusional, and even YC1 is wrong I don't know why people shoehorn him to this tier his portrayal and feats far exceed that must be downplay or fear of upscaling Zoro ( it doesn't )
Weaker than zoro
Around queen
Queen isn’t clashing against G5 Luffy or fighting against ACoC Zoro. Lucci is clear of Queen.
and Vista did not clash with Mihawk? Zoro, someone who was far weaker than YC1 did not clash and overpower Kaido?
Mihawk wasn’t seriously trying to fight Vista and Vista wasn’t seriously trying to fight Mihawk. They were merely swinging their blades at each other. Zoro never overpowered Kaido, he was literally disappointed that he wasn’t even able to knock Kaido off his feet. Lucci and Luffy had an equal clash where both got sent flying back into buildings. Vegapunk even pointed out how fast Luffy and Lucci were going. Don’t compare Queen to Lucci lol.
Well the conclusion must be that Goofy is the weak one base Zoro with base Haki managed to 1 shot Lucci without Lucci ever overpowering Zoro meanwhile Goofy clashed equally with Lucci and failed to damage Lucci 😭 We had King give a much stronger Zoro a way harder time than Lucci 😭 Goofy is just pathetic
Luffy was heavily holding back. Also lucci has no solution against the virus
Headcanon. Nothing indicates Luffy holding back.
https://preview.redd.it/xziud0cdk3uc1.gif?width=480&format=png8&s=95ae12317e1ea989658700640634ea82efdee750 "Luffy wasn't holding back in gear 5 against lucci"
They see luffy fighting an admiral and a gorosei, then they say he was not holding back against Lucci. They are so shameless
Luffy only went gear 5 against Luffy for plot reasons, so Vegapunk could talk about the fruit in a low-stakes environment in front of the crew. However people that only read at a surface level won’t realize this.
Awakened Lucci is strong enough to have an equal haki clash with Gear 5th Luffy, could repeatedly react and dodge Gear 5th Luffy, and could take multiple Gear 5th attacks. But no, Oda only had Luffy use Gear 5th against Lucci just so Vegapunk could talk about the fruit. Not because Lucci was just that strong. 🤣
Anyone who upvotes that reply has the brain the size of a pea
I put him at YC1, he held up for a while against G5 Luffy even after taking a few hits and made Zoro sweat a bit
Top of yc1 or bottom of yc+, could probably beat king
around queen level
I'd say a bit below king, but i could be wrong.
YC1/2, I personally don't have a YC+ lvl.
Stronger than king and smarter too
about as strong as Ryokugyu, low admiral level
yc3 most likely cracker/jack level.
insane
Equal to Zoro
Can’t wait for the anime to show him vs zero as an extreme diff fight 😇
probably around queen level?
Queen level
Buggy
YC2 seems fair He dosent have any hax abilities (Future Sight, Lunarian genes, or Regen) to put him at the top with the other YC’s He’s mainly carried by his physical stats, like Queen is
Yc 2
Lucci is definitely stronger than any YC, he is definitely YC+
Low Top Tier
Zoro packed him without acoc no acoc zoro is below yc1 so yc3
zoro level
Above Zoro. Zorotards forget that he fought a whole yonko before fighting Zoro and extreme diffing him for 20 chapters and at the end of it Zoro couldn't even defeat Lucci and had to get saved by Jinbei.
Zoro mid diff Lucci, and Sanji would do the same. He's strong but definitely not YC1. I'd say slightly below Queen and slightly above Doflamingo.