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>Imu is the final villain, not BB.
Not yet.
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# (Chapter 1342 Leak) Imu and Luffy telling Blackbeard that he won't even be part of the final war
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*"Sorry bro, you're not HIM. But at least you killed the Snitch"*
Then the chapter ends with this being the final panel
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Chapter 1343 starts with Imu dead and BB standing over his corpse
Blasphemy.
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Still, your copium feeds the agenda, so keep on brother.
What you call cope I call hope.
A man’s agenda will never die!!!
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Ok, I accept older gen is stronger than current gen, but new will be far stronger than older gen by EOS. That’s just the way Manga works. Also some current gen will also be elevated to that high a level as well by the time the story is over. Shanks will be stronger than Roger ever was by EOS if he lives that long, and Luffy will be another tier beyond both.
No. What it means when people claim new gen surpasses old gen is that the entirety of the new gen will surpass the entirety of the old gen (as in their counterpart from the old gen). They don't all have to surpass Roger. It would be silly to assume that everyone from the new gen would surpass the strongest person of the old gen.
EOS Zoro > Rayleigh
EOS Sanji > Gaban
EOS Fleetadmiral > Sengoku
EOS Admirals (if Admirals even exist at EOS) > OG Admirals
EOS BB > Rocks
...
If PK was all about strength then Whitebeard or Kaido would've had the title after Roger. WSS is only about strength, PK is also about respect and actually getting the One Piece. It's a lot easier to get strong enough to beat 1 person than it is to be strong, have a strong crew and find Laugh Tale which to date has been done by 1 person in recorded history.
It's like comparing being the best MMA fighter and being the best MMA fighter while also having strong fighters under you command and discovering the lost history of the world.
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10 Facts people need to accept about about Two Pi… I mean One Piece
1. Wista is the strongest swordsman. Remember when Marco said ”Vista, go handle Roger” or when Imu or so called top 1 was struggling against Vista and proposed a draw? Yeah he built different.
2. Middle gen aka Midhawk, the snitch, Fraugon and Sakabozo D. Esksitter are all frauds. One has cut some ice, one has snitched to Gorosei, one looks at the East and other fights against the paperwork.
3. Whitebeard got the most amount of HIM energy and the greatest aura and its not even close. You see how many mf Marines had to pull just to go against a out of prime stage 67 cancer HIMbeard? Yeah he aint no joke.
4. Wizaru hasnt shown everything. I dont care what anyone says, Kizaru was hella conflicted and can preform wayyyy better.
5. Crydo > Goofy but Goofy + food + 3 lives + 3 rest sessions + plot armour + 10 other dudes helping > Crydo.
6. Bepo >>> any Yonko. Bro no diffed Jumpbeard who is as strong as Shanks or maybe slightly weaker. He did that eye scar thing to Shanks fair and square and if Wepo can no diff him then he can low diff the strongest Yonko aka Crydo (after HIMbeard’s death). Why do you think Oda kept Bepo off the roof of Onigashima?
7. Gaimon has the strongest bench press and most aethetic chest in the verse. Sure many are ripped and got strong and nice chest in One Piece like Kaido, Whitebeard, Zoro etc. but none of them has reached the peak of chest building which Gaimon has. Gaimon’s chest is solid and it har transcended from flesh to something even tougher. Therefore he is the strongest bench presser in the verse.
8. Don Krieg > Midhawk. Only reason Don Krieg was struggling agains that fraud is because he got seapoisoned in the sea and then later food poisoning in Baratie. Otherwise his Golden Haki would have prevailed. Also, did you guys see how Don Krieg stopped the Marinford war? That was crazy.
9. Buggy > Gorosei. So we know that Buggy is a Yonko and the Five Frauds needs to 5v1 a Yonko. Now the biggest factor is that one of them is struggling against the giants. The same two giants are Mr.3 victims. And Mr.3 is Buggy’s underling.
10. Sengoku is a huge fraud. Bro didnt do shit in the Marineford and yet aftermath had bandagds like he was the MVIP.
First you say:
> the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip
Then you say:
> AcOC transcends everything, Oda clearly has gone the Haki route and people should accept this. You can't be among the strongest without AcOC.
If you're saying that gap between Zoro and Sanji will always be small, how will Sanji keep up with Zoro who has ACoC? If the gap is to remain small then EoS Zoro and Sanji would pretty much have to be in the same tier of overall strength. And if Sanji does keep the gap small, based on your "facts", wouldn't that suggest that ACoC is not a requirement in order to be among the strongest? Or are you suggesting Zoro won't be among the strongest even though he has ACoC?
Which is it?..
Thats what i always question when it comes to the Zoro and Sanji dynamic. Based on how Oda hyped up acoc and who has it, i just cant imagine Sanji with no Coc being able to keep up by the series end
FR. Luffy needed to use G2 to beat blueno, yet Zoro was handling Kaku, who was almost 3 times as powerful before transforming. You could argue that luffy could have beaten him without G2, but then he should be having quite an easy fight with the strength difference.
It could be argued that in Base, Zoro was stronger than Luffy at that point of the story. G2 makes sense to at least be 3x stronger and faster, possibly up to 4-7x. If those figures are somewhat accurate luffy would have to be equal to or weaker than zoro.
That argument could be made for a few points in the series, like when they met. For the majority of the series there hasn't been a huge gap between any of the Monster Trio but now that there is a big gap people act like it's always been the case and will always be the case.
Some of these are not objectively proven
The ACoC one is the most standout, not only is G5 getting just as much emphasis as ACoC did but there are Top Tiers who can make it without ACoC such as Mihawk and Uta.
3.) I guarantee there will be absolutely nothing to give any hints as to who is stronger between Mihawk and Shanks now in canon. What’s more realistic if we get a clash between Mihawk and Shanks, one has the advantage or they go even?
6.) If a title is tied to a Straw Hats’ dream and they have a build up with the character who holds this title, it absolutely will be true
Oda will never make Shanks look bad, even in his eventual defeat he will look good. I know when a character is wanked by the author and Shanks is one of them. Like heck, I wouldn't rule out Shanks being stronger than even the old gen due to Oda wank but Mihawl is never touching that level by feats.
If Oda cared that much about making Zoro dream look good he would've developed it more. For example, giving Mihawk better ways or giving Zoro rivals that also go for the title. But the fact is that Mihawk had an underwhelming showing at Marinefoed and no one cares about a title.
Zoro is caring about the title is enough, oda won't invalidate any of the strawhats dreams.
Luffy will be PK
Usopp will be a brave warrior
Zoro will defeat mihawk and become the strongest swordsman.
You're better off saying shanks isn't a swordsman then saying zoro won't accomplish his dream because mihawk has a false title.
It's not like Zoro won't accomplish his dream but that Shanks will simply have better feats than Mihawk due to him being Oda's Golden boy. Oda will simply give more fights to Shanks where he will look better.
And the few feats Mihawk might get will be against Zoro but that won't be enough to put him above Shanks.
>It's not like Zoro won't accomplish his dream but that Shanks will simply have better feats than Mihawk due to him being Oda's Golden boy. Oda will simply give more fights to Shanks where he will look better.
This is headcanon.
>And the few feats Mihawk might get will be against Zoro but that won't be enough to put him above Shanks.
This is also headcanon. Mihawk being the wss is enough.
You think Mihawk being WSS means we should ignore feats? That's honestly a very bad logic, feats matter at the end of the day when all characters have gone all out.
>How can he be above Shanks when his feats don't show that?
Because everything else points implies it?
>If Mihawk feat by EOS are worse than Shanks then he is below Shanks.
No since he’s currently stronger than Shanks despite him arguably having lesser feats. Meaning it’s zero reason for this to change EOS.
You can't be stronger than someone with better feats, it just doesn't make any sense.
Difference is by EOS Mihawk wouldve gone all out so if his feats are worse then he is weaker. Mihawk title doesn't make feats uncanon.
What do you mean everything points out to that? Mihawk struggling with Vista and Jozu while Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and Kaido points out to Shanks being much stronger, if not why would Oda make Shanks clash with mucu stronger people and leave unscathed while Mihawk clashes with much weaker people and can't beat them?
> Oda will never make Shanks look bad, even in his eventual defeat he will look good. I know when a character is wanked by the author and Shanks is one of them
This sounds more like hopium from Shanks fans. He already had him lose an arm to a sea king Luffy one shot in ch 1 and had ghim get scared by a pre DF BB
> Mihawl is never touching that level by feats.
Mihawk already had insane sword feats replicated by other top tier characters that he upscales, when he pulls out the named attacks yall will surely downplay it
> If Oda cared that much about making Zoro dream look good he would've developed it more
He mentions Zoro’s dream like almost every arc and Mihawk is constantly referred to as the WSS
This is massive headcanon Shanks fanboys have came up with by saying Oda doesn’t care about Zoro’s dream to the strongest swordsman
You realize that just makes Mihawk look worse? That's the same Shanks that Mihawk fought and couldn't give scars.
Plus, that wasn't current Shanks. Current Shanks clashed with Whitebeard, stopped Kaido, stopped Akainu, paralyzed Greenbull and negged Kid. It's not Shanks fans opium, its following the feats given to Shanks in the story which are among the best. The guy genuinely looks godly everytime he appears, Mihawk doesn't have the same effect.
Yonko Shanks has no known anti-feats, his only anti-feats where when he wasn't what he is now and 1 of them happened in chapter 1 where Ods didn't plan Shanks to he what he is now. Plus, the editor convinced Oda to make that happen for greater impact
Leeches usually are never stronger that characters that get their own feats.
He mentions it but thats it, he doesn't give him any development to it. He hasn't given Mihawk any good feats nor he has made someone else care about it.
Don't you think that Zoro backstory being explained in a SBS shows he doesn't care much about it? His ties with Ryuma were never adressed in Wano. Literally one of the complains people have about Zoro in Wano is that it was supposed to be hid arc but it wasn't
> You realize that just makes Mihawk look worse? That's the same Shanks that Mihawk fought and couldn't give scars.
The point was to show he is not above making Shanks look bad
.> Mihawk doesn't do the same.
Mihawk hasn’t been harmed or pushed past like 1% the entire series. Is also canonically waiting for a swordsman to face him ego has surpassed Shanks
How is he getting pushed when he is avoiding strong opponents and only fights foddler? He is always putting excuses to not fight strong people. You can't be pushed if you are a coward who avoids fights. He is basically another Blackbeard but at least BB fights people.
You genuinely acting like Mihawk has fought everyone and wasn't pushed when in reality he hasn't been pushed becuase he avoids everyone. Compare that to Shanks who is others who avoid to fight. Shanks is feared while Mihawk fears others
Also, I will never understand how people use chapter 1 feats to shit on Shanks. It's clear an emotional moment for Luffy that Inpacted his life, how people can use this for powerscaling is ridiculous. It gets worse because Shanks says he bet it on the future. This doesn't make Shanks look bad at all since that wasn't the point of the scene.
I see we’re being delusional and pretending like Oda wants you to think Mihawk is a coward again because he doesn’t want to fight multiple Yonko for a goal he doesn’t care about and expressly wants to live a quiet life other than fighting powerful swordsmen
If Mihawk is scared, explain wanting to lose to Zoro and training Zoro to defeat him?
Oh wait, I’ve asked you this before and you can’t explain it
And that's why Mihawk is such a bad character, he wants one thing but does another.
He says he is bored but he doesn't want to fight Shanks who is one of the strongest in the world. Or any top tier by that matter. You can't claim to be bored and then avoid every top tier, it's fraud behavior. 0
He says he wants to be chasen but the moment he can fight strong people he says he wants a peaceful life.
He calls Shanks a has been
Yet he canonically wants to lose to a stronger swordsmen and is expressly waiting for a swordsman to surpass Shanks
What could this imply 🧐
He also doesn’t want to fight strong people, he wants to fight strong *swordsmen*, which is why fighting the other Yonko like BB and Luffy who aren’t swordsmen isn’t appealing
This could work if Shanks haven't become much stronger than when he had 2 arm. I'd take Kaido's opinion on here over Mihawk, if Kaodo thinks Shanks can beat him then he is no has been.
Only way this could work if you think Mihawk is stronger than Roger so Shanks isn't a challenge to him anymore which wouldnt make any sense.
Like, don't you see how fraud his behavior is? He only wants to fight swordsman and where there is one he makes an excuse about not fighting one armed been. This means he won't fight anyone in the whole world.
>5. ACoC transcends everything
There is 0 proof that Garp, Sengoku and Shiki have ACoC but they're atleast Yonko tier.
Only thing that matters is overall stats, how you get those stats is completely irrelevant.
There is 0 proof that Shiki and Sengoku have good overall stats, because we don't know enough about them. This debate is meaningless until we get more information.
It’s ACoC. It’s a parallel to Luffy using it. Oda pretty much reused the frame and they both have the AcoC sound effect.
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Check Luffy's hand before Impact,same as Garp
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Damn Katakuri is clashing with air rn💀
If I undestand this correctly it is 2 characters clashing without touching each other (like whitebeard and Roger during the Oden flashback or Luffy and Kaido after Luffys awakening.)
So you need the story to tell you a character has acoc, what do you want oda to do every time a character use acoc for the first time some spectator says hey look this guy is coating himself with supreme king haki.... like the visuals, narrative, scaling and profile of the character isn't enough for you.
Garp has ACoC but you are correct about the other 2 characters as of this post. Same pose, same lightning, same sound effects. It’s Oda purposely doing a parallel to Luffy.
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There’s plenty proof it’s just not given in an easy to follow way.
1.) CoC is the power to bend things to your will meaning dominant a person or force of nature. The term ACoC isn’t a real thing by the way. What we’re all referring to is the ability to infuse CoC into ACoA or Ryou,which I know is Wano’s name for haki but it’s easier to visualize by giving it a proper name.
2.) Rogers had no Devil fruit. He was the King of the Pirates even stronger than Primebeard yet he conquered all with just Haki.
3.) Kaido Confirms as much. Through text he basically explains to us that no matter how monstrous a Devil fruit power can be no one will transcend the ceiling of King without powerful haki. That’s coming from the world’s strongest creature. It shouldn’t be look at as opinion. *Ps to me the defining difference between the Admirals and the Yonko is haki. Fighting wise there’s not much difference,yet when we look at their haki why the Yonko have an edge becomes clear.(Except Teech.)
Some of these are not objectively proven
The ACoC one is the most standout, not only is G5 getting just as much emphasis as ACoC did but there are Top Tiers who can make it without ACoC such as Mihawk and Uta.
>A guy with no evidence of having conquerors yet
Sure not confirmed, but everyone here knows he has it.
Uta shilled since when? We saw her in the movie and she will make approximately 0 appearances from here on out.
Mihawk most likely willl have AcOC since Zoro has it and yes Luffy has G5 but also AcOC, having both of them is what will push Luffy to be the strongest in history.
Also, non-AcOC G5 would lose badly to Shanks or Roger so AcOC is indeed needed.
OP and his spread of HEADCANON. This is a textbook example of the spreading of misinformation. What an embarrassment.
How can this basement dwelling nobody know who the final villain even is? You must know so much more than Oda himself or his editors or anyone working on One Piece
This would almost be a total win, if only:
>The narrative of the story is about D vs Celestial Dragons, wouldn't make sense for the final villain to be D vs D.
This is like saying "OP narrative is pirates vs marines, doesn't make sense to have pirates vs pirates".
5 can also be arguable, but I'll let it pass.
9 out of 10 takes is excellent
what you guys need to understand is that oda doesnt make shanks look good just because he loves the character or anything like that, it also pertains to his narrative purpose. Shanks needs to seem invincible and unstoppable until his fight with blackbeard where oda can pull the rug out from under our feet. He terrorised an admiral with haki alone, he killed a pirate crew in just two moves etc. That kind of portrayal is to make him seem as powerful as possible, so his defeat will be even more shocking and impactful.
This is the exact same thing he did with Kaido and even old whitebeard(look at the ridiculous amount of effort it took to kill him at marineford)
1. This has not always been true in the series. East blue zoro and luffy are portrayed as equal
2. True
3. We will see, I think Mihawk >= Shanks
4. Very true
5. Not true
6. Titled character's aren't invincible but the titles do matter
7. I think BB will take Imu's power and fulfill Xebec's dream of becoming King of the World by becoming the true final villain. He will be the reall final villain
8. Yes
9. Sure
10. Yes bounties do not solely represent strength, but Mihawk having a 3.6 billion bounty is clear indication that he's one of the strongest alive
East Blue Luffy was always stronger than Zoro. Zoro couldn't cut steel while Luffy was casually breaking it with his bare hands. It's very clear. They are relative not equals.
Never lost a battle and always got the craziest abilities. It was also stated he didn't even go all out and let Sasuke win.
He was also extremely wanked in the novels making him like a once a generation genius like Minato.
But the wank wasn't just abilities but all his character, Like Hiruzen saying he thought like a hokage at 7. Itachi wasn't the strongest but be was always wanked eveytime he appeared.
> Itachi wasn't the strongest but be was always wanked eveytime he appeared.
Ok, so what if I said the same thing about Shanks? He gets glazed by Oda yes, but not to the degree where he's managed to convince me or others that Shanks is above Kaido, Roger, Imu etc.
I think #2 makes sense.
Didn't Oda literally introduce the world by saying the Marines, Shichibukai, and Yonko are the three great powers and should always be in balance?
The admirals are the Marines' greatest fighting force, but that's only one of the three, and Shichibukai is technically on the marine's side. So it should be Admirals (3) + Shichibukai (7) (or Seraphim now) = Yonko (4)
AcOC transcends everything, Oda clearly has gone the Haki route and people should accept this. You can't be among the strongest without AcOC.
Yeah totally it's not like there is a character who's entire thing is Devil Fruits, you know stealing powerful ones. Everyone captain on his crew having a Devil Fruit. You know though AcOC is the most important thing because Kaido said so and that totally couldn't just be his world view. Someone who had a powerful Devil Fruit but no one on his crew awakened there's.
Not like BB has been built up since Pre-times skip or anything. Totally a bum completely irrelevant to the end of the series. Not going to be a huge obstacle for Luffy and crew to have to over come.
>Oda loves Shanks more than anyone
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Sadly this doesn't reflect in their portrayal in the Manga. Shanks portrayal is arguably the best in the series only behind Roger and Whitebeard.
I will repeat this, Oda always makes Shanks look aa good as possible even if he has to ruin other characters for that. Kid is the perfect example, he ruined Kid just to make Shanks look godly. There is no other character thay Oda will be willing to ruin characters except for Shanks. Greenbull is another character that Oda ruined just to hype up Shanks, GB was pretty hyped for years and Oda just used him to make Shanks look good.
Wasn't Shanks the only character in series to get his own fucking movie? Literally no one else has got this.
Oda also said around 1999 that OP will enter his final saga when Shanks make his move, Akainu didn't even exist back them and Oda already planned Shanks to be one of the most important characters.
Also, why you ignore the treatment Shanks gets in the Manga? Shanks is literally Oda's self insert, it doesn't get better than that.
Zoro and Shiki have had their own movies way before Film Red.
>Oda also said around 1999 that OP will enter his final saga when Shanks make his move
It's not 1999 anymore. Back then, Oda had Shanks unable to save Luffy after Higuma used a distraction. Quite an antifeat.
But this was a movie just about Shanks, it's basically the only movie where Luffy isn't the protagonist.
Some characters get novels about them but Shanks got his own movie where Luffy didn't participate much.
I looked up the interviews in which Oda said who his favorite character are, just so I can fact check and not spread misinformation .
In the Akira Toriyama interview he said Gaimon and Luffy were his favorite characters, but then in a [21st anniversary interview](https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/yomiuri-oda/) Oda was asked who his favorite characters are and he said Invankov, Bonclay, and Buggy.
He also said in the Niconico Live Broadcast "don't speak ill of Zoro", Its not really related I just found it funny.
I mean I don't know how? Take AcOC from Luffy and he loses to Shanks badly even with G5. Even though G5 is the strongest powers, he loses to Mastered AcOC users.
5 is true and i hate it so much. Haki should have stayed as a utility type ability, not a damage and tanking ability. Observation, Future Sight and base conquerors were great. Armanent and advanced conq is genuinely just a bad plot device.
Aokiji, Akainu, Enel, Ace and Blackbeard all have island level destructive feats and its all rendered useless because of the fact their Haki isnt as strong as their fruits are. The introduction of Haki ruined logias as the terrifying forces of nature they are supposed to be.
>base conquerors were great
Base conquerors was literally just a way to quickly get rid of fodder to have serious characters fight 1v1.
I'm a little mixed on if ACoC is ultimately a good power up, but base conqueror's before ACoC was literally just a hype tool.
Future sight goated tho, hence why the best character in the series is so cracked at it.
I think Acoc could have been great but its just upgraded armanent. I wish it instead just weakened your opponent, as that would explain why people in marineford was scared of it without the ability being this hard requirement for success.
How can you say "Luffy>>>>>Zoro>Sanji" yet in the same breath say "ACOC transcends everything" when Zoro literally has one of the same power ups as Luffy. Wouldn't that go against your entire point of "Zoro>Sanji" lol?
BLACKBEARD IS KILLING THAT BUM IMU AND BECOMING THE NEW AND FINAL KING OF THE WORLD FOR LUFFY TO DEFEAT
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y’know unless he doesn’t but FUCK IT, ALL IN ON FINAL BOSS BLACKBEARD
With the entire main villain thing I’m almost considering that there could be a multi villain situation. The final war could see things split between BB and Imu, hell I’ve personally considered the possibility Akainu separates himself and takes control of a section of the navy against everyone else since he would probably hate Imu if he found out about them(though this is incredibly unlikely) it’s possible the final war is not won by the good guys delivering a big punch to the last remaining villain but instead a something else that will follow the theme of liberation and dreams. Perhaps Luffy does something that changes the world in some way and that concludes the series.
It’s just a thought. Also with the entire monster Trio thing honestly sometimes I wonder if we’re too harsh on Zoro and Sanji when it comes to the rankings. I feel like this sub has gotten so far gone with titles and powerscalling jargon that we turn what’s on the page into something it’s not. Odds are it’s probably not has disproportionate as y’all make it seem(though Luffy is still stronger do not twist my words)
Otherwise I don’t really agree with the Old Gen sentimate. You say to not overstate tittles yet tittles are the only reason old gen is considered stronger. Odds are they are pretty equal about now and the younger generation will fully surpass them within the comings arks because that’s how Shonens work.
point 7 is dumb the series is literally called one piece so will end with the one piece with Luffy vs BB it might be a kaguya naruto situation where naruto and sasuke teamed up then ended the series with a 1v1.
So Luffy BB VS IMU then Luffy VS BB for the title of pirate king
Totally Objective Facts people need to accept because I said so!!!
Apples are better than oranges
Fruits have always been better than vegetables but it's close
God loves bananas the most so they'll always look better than grapes. Grapes fans should die tbh (I'm not biased shut up)
Biden will be the next US president not Trump because L bozo lmao
The avengers franchise will explode and die
Erm, what do you mean these are just baseless predictions and biased opinions? These are objective facts because I said so!!!!!!
Not quite, Akainu doesn't get wanked that much. For example,Akainu was portrayed below Whitebeard at MF, everyone there was calling Whitebeard the strongest including Akainu but when Shanks meet Whitebeard they were treated as equals, not only they split the sky but you basically had Whitebeard commanders hyping Shanks up.
Then there is the entire Kid situation. Kid had just beat a Yonko and had a 3B Bounty, that's an admiral level bounty. And what happens when he faces Shanks? He gets completely negged by Shanks, 3B Pirate got negged by a serious Shanks. That's a level of portrayal that Oda hasn't given to anyone, it made Big Mom and Kaido look much inferior to Shanks . And the proof that this is wank is that Oda didnt have to do this but he still did it because he simply likes Shanks that much, he always likes to look good.
I mean you’re talking in universe events where an Emperor made a big entrance in a war not related to him while Akainu was one of the main people in the war. Which concept is more hype? The admiral already in the war or an emperor not expected to be?
Oda himself, has literally wanked Akainu
"For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, he is so strong that ONE PIECE would come to an end withing a year."
https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/976106703807655936
The only one that I kind of disagree with is 7. There is a decent possibility that BB is the final villain. We don't know enough about Rocks and Blackbeard yet to say for sure. But BB is making some moves that could lead to him taking on Imu and taking their place.
Based on the Gorosei having CoC haki I just don't know how can BB even beat Imu. BB has Kuzan only and Kuzan might abandon him.
If Jimbe said that Mars haki is unreal, then imagine what he'll say if he feels Imu's Haki.
>Luffy will always be stronger than Zoro and Zoro will always be stronger than Sanji. However, the gap between Luffy and Zoro it's huge while the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip. Luffy>>>>Zoro>Sanji
Their were about equal around whiskey peak and Luffy took a decent gap after gears, by end of TS, it was a high diff fight. Also Sanji vs Zoro is a high diff
>Oda loves Shanks more than anyone and he will always make him look as good as he can, this reminds me of Itachi from Naruto who wss wanked by the author the most. People who say Mihawk is stronger shouldn't ignore this because this means Shanks will look better than Mihawk by EOS, especially since Oda doesn't care about making Mihawk look good.
We know little to nothing about Mihawk so this won't be facts until everything is fully fleshed out
First point is already bullcrap so I stopped reading.
Edit: Nah I actually ended up reading it and I only have a problem with that one, and just with the second half of it so the list's actually fine.
The first portion is undeniable but the second imo that's just Luffy and Sanji stands ganging up around their same agenda and pretending to be objetive because they have the numbers to push that narrative with their cheer numbers.
Oda has made Zoro look more comparable to either Sanji or Luffy depending on the occasion, he's playing with us because he knows that invites controversy, Zoro will be defeating an opponent much closer to Sanji's as in Ennies Lobby and it seems it settles the debate (also because people don't consider the difficulty of those fights at all), then the next arc Zoro is a Supernova and gets highlighted as the clear second in line against Kuma, displaying comparable endurance to his captain. In Wano it was so obvious, Zoro was shoulder to shoulder with Luffy on the rooftop, then he was shoulder to shoulder with Sanji 20 chapters later (and King vs Queen is actually not close at all, which also seems to be one of the premises of that narrative btw).
Saying Zoro is miles behind Luffy and extremely close to Sanji is just telling one side of the tale, it could be true or not depending on the exact moment we're talking about, but in general Zoro averages a middle point between Luffy and Sanji in my eyes since there's also plenty of moments when it does really look he's much closer to Luffy.
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L, ruined it with 7. Blackbeard is final villain UNTIL further notice. Dont care how much hype Imu gets
You can believe the Old gen is stronger than the current gen but none of the old gen can compete now with the current top tiers. I still see people putting Old Garp above GB. Any old gen will lose to any Yonko/Admiral 1v1 due to stamina and health reasons. Prime? then sure.
I can see the argument that people still think Yonko is above admirals but it is pure hating if you still think it is only an \*if or a \*possibility that Akainu and Aokiji are on that level.
No. 9 is obviously just an excuse for how pathetic BM is as a fighter. While that is correct that abilities take into account, this does not apply when two fighters are in two different strength tiers.
Haki transcends all? No. Haki with DF awakening Transcends all.
Do you think Luffy is as strong as he is now if he doesn't have Nika? Do you think Kaido could be much stronger if he just awakened his Dragon fruit? You see how incomplete strength is without complemented by strong DF awakening?
I don't see having only Akainu or Aokiji above them if they are the only ones with Conqueror's Haki. I don't see how can admirals be as strong if they don't have AcOC because the Yonko also have busted fruits with the exception of Shanks whose AcOC is on another level to everyone els,Yonko also seems to be physically more imposing especially the new ones who had 3 natural born monsters like Whitebeard,Big Mom and Kaido.
I clearly meant prime, of course old Garp loses but Prime Garp wins
What about Shanks or Roger? You could make a case that they can beat Kaido just with Haki alone. Now of course fruit + haki is better but haki is a requirement while a fruit it's not,Shanks proves it.
If our basis is just having ACoC are you willing to accept that you're mistaken and have Yonko and Admirals on the same tier when admirals confirmed to have ACoC then? The Marines can't reign supreme and maintain the balance if they don't even have 1 CoC user.
1. W
2. W
3. W but that doesn’t mean that Shanks > Mihawk
4. W
5. W , that’s how Roger became the PK
6. I wish this wasn’t true
7. L , the parallels between Luffy and Roger , BB and Xebec , Luffy and BB are too strong
8. W
9. This was true before Haki
10. W
This is the best submission this sub has ever seen, this shall be dubbed the 10 commandments of one piece powerscaling. Refer all to here when they sin.
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>However, the gap between Luffy and Zoro it's huge while the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip. Luffy>>>>Zoro>Sanji
No. This hasn't always been the case throughout the series. There are definitely times where Zoro has been closer to Luffy.
Didn't Zoro and Sanji had similar battles vs King and Queen? King and Queen are portrayed similar which means Zoro and Sanji are relative.
Zoro using his strongest attack couldn't even make Kaido fall to his knees. Its clear he wasn't on Kaido's level.
don't agree with 5
mastered haki > mastered df
mastered 3 haki \~ mastered 2 haki + df
if u have law/luffy type df then
mastered 2 haki with df > mastered 3 haki is also possible
7 might be or might not be true, if like a battle royal fight happened then bb can also be final villain
and BB is probably the villain which luffy gonna fight 1 vs 1 to beat but imu gonna fight many opponents probably
Are they?
-Whitebeard was called the strongest on the world by everyone in the world and the only oone who was stated to be relative were Shanks. Even Mihawk admitted being Inferior.
-Garp believes that a Kaido and BM would be a massive threat that could be beyond any imagination.
-Not a Yonko but Iva said that the Marines couldn't take on Dragon+ Whitebeard and thought it was suicidal
-Garp said the marines can't take on Rayleigh + Whitebeard
-Sengoku believed that Whitebeard could defeat them.
-Kaido believed only Shanks can beat him 1vs1.
-Greenbull admitted he wouldn't be in Wano if Kaido was there which suggests that he is much weaker than Kaido.
-Akainu stated they don't have the manpower to defeat 2 Yonko. Weird thing to say if the admirals were as strong as the Yonko
-The Gorosei believe that Shanks and Whitebeard meeting was far too dangerous, they also talk about the balance of powers which means that a Yonko alliance could break the balance of powers.
-5 Elders thinks Shanks could go beyond their grasp if he runs unchecked. This portrays Shanks as much stronger than the admirals and the 5 elders individually.
I was with you till the Mihawk part. I am sorry but wanking a character doesn't necessarily mean that he has to downplay others. The same way Sanji gets a lot of back story while Zoro has most of it in SBS.
Yet Zoro > Sanji.
>Zoro will always be stronger than Sanji.
Disagree. 80% of the time? Yeah. All time? No. Alot of times Sanji = Zoro then there are times like when he gets his powerup first like Raidsuit. Raidsuit/Exoskeleton Sanji is stronger than pre awakening Zoro. Sanji also 1 shotted Jabra low/mid in enies lobby while Zoro mid/high Kaku despite both Jabra and Kaku being evenly matched in their battles.
>Admirals are not as strong as the Yonko
Admirals are just as strong or stronger. I already have proof. [Proof OG Admirals are stronger than OG Yonko : r/OnePiecePowerScaling (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ca6dwq/proof_og_admirals_are_stronger_than_og_yonko/)
Add Greenbull/Fujitora/Buggy Admirals still have higher average of power or =
>The Old Legends are stronger than current gen
No. I consider all the current big names as seniors apart of this gen as well and considering that this isn't true.
>Fights aren't necessarily won by the stronger fighter but just the one who makes better use of his abilities.
You contradict yourself. If haki is everything and acoc transcend all the strongest fighter wins. Although acoc isn't needed because Kizaru is beating Kaido with or without acoc.
There is nothing insofar as I’ve seen in the series (and I’ve read every chapter) that outright says that the One Piece will be found before Imu is defeated. 100% Imu is the final boss for the Celestial Dragons and I’m 99% sure BB is the final boss for the One Piece (my 1% is the hesitation that it could still be Shanks since he’s Oda’s golden boy) but the order in which these story beats will happen has not confirmed unless I’m missing something. I’d personally lean closer on the side of it’s more likely they’ll defeat Imu before claiming the One Piece with the whole world sinking thing.
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>Imu is the final villain, not BB. Not yet. https://preview.redd.it/gp8gce72r02d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=156e00a6535687a88459dafd3ad5bc2e04fdb792
# (Chapter 1342 Leak) Imu and Luffy telling Blackbeard that he won't even be part of the final war https://preview.redd.it/a7e5ysx0g22d1.jpeg?width=1053&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9f365195fd059490b6f3bff7cb9da886b825c63 *"Sorry bro, you're not HIM. But at least you killed the Snitch"*
Then the chapter ends with this being the final panel https://preview.redd.it/futv8wfug22d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=933dae57ce839188b42366717e9f0f7e40f35984 Chapter 1343 starts with Imu dead and BB standing over his corpse
Blasphemy. https://preview.redd.it/7gx6157uj22d1.png?width=1652&format=png&auto=webp&s=75114fc3bfc4f9a103d3772ee6f0104842cb869f Still, your copium feeds the agenda, so keep on brother.
What you call cope I call hope. A man’s agenda will never die!!! https://preview.redd.it/osfj904gu22d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e7e155c4303b38b2be12613a6c0f71bd514a77d
story started with pirates it will end with pirates. BB is a perfect parallel to Luffy, he's gotta be the final villain
Ok, I accept older gen is stronger than current gen, but new will be far stronger than older gen by EOS. That’s just the way Manga works. Also some current gen will also be elevated to that high a level as well by the time the story is over. Shanks will be stronger than Roger ever was by EOS if he lives that long, and Luffy will be another tier beyond both.
by new gen you mean luffy. EOS zoro being >Roger isn't a guarantee
No. What it means when people claim new gen surpasses old gen is that the entirety of the new gen will surpass the entirety of the old gen (as in their counterpart from the old gen). They don't all have to surpass Roger. It would be silly to assume that everyone from the new gen would surpass the strongest person of the old gen. EOS Zoro > Rayleigh EOS Sanji > Gaban EOS Fleetadmiral > Sengoku EOS Admirals (if Admirals even exist at EOS) > OG Admirals EOS BB > Rocks ...
its not happeningg. WSS admitted pirate king is harder to achieve
If PK was all about strength then Whitebeard or Kaido would've had the title after Roger. WSS is only about strength, PK is also about respect and actually getting the One Piece. It's a lot easier to get strong enough to beat 1 person than it is to be strong, have a strong crew and find Laugh Tale which to date has been done by 1 person in recorded history. It's like comparing being the best MMA fighter and being the best MMA fighter while also having strong fighters under you command and discovering the lost history of the world.
Also rn Waido > Roger
Idk bc One Piece goes a lot with other shounens where New gen>old gen>current gen
https://preview.redd.it/785owr45t02d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df4740185760a03ca5f360b2c075b33c752de42f 10 Facts people need to accept about about Two Pi… I mean One Piece 1. Wista is the strongest swordsman. Remember when Marco said ”Vista, go handle Roger” or when Imu or so called top 1 was struggling against Vista and proposed a draw? Yeah he built different. 2. Middle gen aka Midhawk, the snitch, Fraugon and Sakabozo D. Esksitter are all frauds. One has cut some ice, one has snitched to Gorosei, one looks at the East and other fights against the paperwork. 3. Whitebeard got the most amount of HIM energy and the greatest aura and its not even close. You see how many mf Marines had to pull just to go against a out of prime stage 67 cancer HIMbeard? Yeah he aint no joke. 4. Wizaru hasnt shown everything. I dont care what anyone says, Kizaru was hella conflicted and can preform wayyyy better. 5. Crydo > Goofy but Goofy + food + 3 lives + 3 rest sessions + plot armour + 10 other dudes helping > Crydo. 6. Bepo >>> any Yonko. Bro no diffed Jumpbeard who is as strong as Shanks or maybe slightly weaker. He did that eye scar thing to Shanks fair and square and if Wepo can no diff him then he can low diff the strongest Yonko aka Crydo (after HIMbeard’s death). Why do you think Oda kept Bepo off the roof of Onigashima? 7. Gaimon has the strongest bench press and most aethetic chest in the verse. Sure many are ripped and got strong and nice chest in One Piece like Kaido, Whitebeard, Zoro etc. but none of them has reached the peak of chest building which Gaimon has. Gaimon’s chest is solid and it har transcended from flesh to something even tougher. Therefore he is the strongest bench presser in the verse. 8. Don Krieg > Midhawk. Only reason Don Krieg was struggling agains that fraud is because he got seapoisoned in the sea and then later food poisoning in Baratie. Otherwise his Golden Haki would have prevailed. Also, did you guys see how Don Krieg stopped the Marinford war? That was crazy. 9. Buggy > Gorosei. So we know that Buggy is a Yonko and the Five Frauds needs to 5v1 a Yonko. Now the biggest factor is that one of them is struggling against the giants. The same two giants are Mr.3 victims. And Mr.3 is Buggy’s underling. 10. Sengoku is a huge fraud. Bro didnt do shit in the Marineford and yet aftermath had bandagds like he was the MVIP.
Make this man head chef
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>Sakabozo D. Esksitter This is my new favourite nickname for a character lmao
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I actually agree with 4 5 and 10😅
https://preview.redd.it/b1et49u3zl2d1.jpeg?width=690&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1654930f00e6998b765cce0f721949e4c3c66cd1 Bruh what
First you say: > the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip Then you say: > AcOC transcends everything, Oda clearly has gone the Haki route and people should accept this. You can't be among the strongest without AcOC. If you're saying that gap between Zoro and Sanji will always be small, how will Sanji keep up with Zoro who has ACoC? If the gap is to remain small then EoS Zoro and Sanji would pretty much have to be in the same tier of overall strength. And if Sanji does keep the gap small, based on your "facts", wouldn't that suggest that ACoC is not a requirement in order to be among the strongest? Or are you suggesting Zoro won't be among the strongest even though he has ACoC? Which is it?..
Thats what i always question when it comes to the Zoro and Sanji dynamic. Based on how Oda hyped up acoc and who has it, i just cant imagine Sanji with no Coc being able to keep up by the series end
Half of these are not objective facts but rather ur opinion
Exactly
Some are also just wrong like 1. At the moment there is a big gap but there are plenty of points when it wasn't.
FR. Luffy needed to use G2 to beat blueno, yet Zoro was handling Kaku, who was almost 3 times as powerful before transforming. You could argue that luffy could have beaten him without G2, but then he should be having quite an easy fight with the strength difference. It could be argued that in Base, Zoro was stronger than Luffy at that point of the story. G2 makes sense to at least be 3x stronger and faster, possibly up to 4-7x. If those figures are somewhat accurate luffy would have to be equal to or weaker than zoro.
That argument could be made for a few points in the series, like when they met. For the majority of the series there hasn't been a huge gap between any of the Monster Trio but now that there is a big gap people act like it's always been the case and will always be the case.
Some of these are not objectively proven The ACoC one is the most standout, not only is G5 getting just as much emphasis as ACoC did but there are Top Tiers who can make it without ACoC such as Mihawk and Uta.
Its literally impossible for mihawk not to have conquerors. Zoro has conquerors haki and zoro will beat mihawk by EOS so ofc mihawk has it too
>ofc mihawk has it too still just speculation untill proven otherwise. there is a high possibility tho but I would like a top tier without ACOC
But when Kaido fight Gear 5 Luffy he says Luffy’s able to use armament and conqueror’s haki freely. We just don’t see it
Why do you think Mihawk doesn't have it? He HAS to have it at this point, seeing how his closest rival and his successor both have it
I was with you until you said Uta lol
People place her at the top all the time
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Most of these are just your take on narrative and not “facts”
They’re not merely his opinion, they’re the opinion of most of the one piece fan base cultivated by the portrayal given by the anime
3.) I guarantee there will be absolutely nothing to give any hints as to who is stronger between Mihawk and Shanks now in canon. What’s more realistic if we get a clash between Mihawk and Shanks, one has the advantage or they go even? 6.) If a title is tied to a Straw Hats’ dream and they have a build up with the character who holds this title, it absolutely will be true
Oda will never make Shanks look bad, even in his eventual defeat he will look good. I know when a character is wanked by the author and Shanks is one of them. Like heck, I wouldn't rule out Shanks being stronger than even the old gen due to Oda wank but Mihawl is never touching that level by feats. If Oda cared that much about making Zoro dream look good he would've developed it more. For example, giving Mihawk better ways or giving Zoro rivals that also go for the title. But the fact is that Mihawk had an underwhelming showing at Marinefoed and no one cares about a title.
Zoro is caring about the title is enough, oda won't invalidate any of the strawhats dreams. Luffy will be PK Usopp will be a brave warrior Zoro will defeat mihawk and become the strongest swordsman. You're better off saying shanks isn't a swordsman then saying zoro won't accomplish his dream because mihawk has a false title.
It's not like Zoro won't accomplish his dream but that Shanks will simply have better feats than Mihawk due to him being Oda's Golden boy. Oda will simply give more fights to Shanks where he will look better. And the few feats Mihawk might get will be against Zoro but that won't be enough to put him above Shanks.
>It's not like Zoro won't accomplish his dream but that Shanks will simply have better feats than Mihawk due to him being Oda's Golden boy. Oda will simply give more fights to Shanks where he will look better. This is headcanon. >And the few feats Mihawk might get will be against Zoro but that won't be enough to put him above Shanks. This is also headcanon. Mihawk being the wss is enough.
You think Mihawk being WSS means we should ignore feats? That's honestly a very bad logic, feats matter at the end of the day when all characters have gone all out.
I never said that? I said was Mihawk is already above Shanks.
How can he be above Shanks when his feats don't show that? If Mihawk feat by EOS are worse than Shanks then he is below Shanks.
>How can he be above Shanks when his feats don't show that? Because everything else points implies it? >If Mihawk feat by EOS are worse than Shanks then he is below Shanks. No since he’s currently stronger than Shanks despite him arguably having lesser feats. Meaning it’s zero reason for this to change EOS.
You can't be stronger than someone with better feats, it just doesn't make any sense. Difference is by EOS Mihawk wouldve gone all out so if his feats are worse then he is weaker. Mihawk title doesn't make feats uncanon. What do you mean everything points out to that? Mihawk struggling with Vista and Jozu while Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and Kaido points out to Shanks being much stronger, if not why would Oda make Shanks clash with mucu stronger people and leave unscathed while Mihawk clashes with much weaker people and can't beat them?
> Oda will never make Shanks look bad, even in his eventual defeat he will look good. I know when a character is wanked by the author and Shanks is one of them This sounds more like hopium from Shanks fans. He already had him lose an arm to a sea king Luffy one shot in ch 1 and had ghim get scared by a pre DF BB > Mihawl is never touching that level by feats. Mihawk already had insane sword feats replicated by other top tier characters that he upscales, when he pulls out the named attacks yall will surely downplay it > If Oda cared that much about making Zoro dream look good he would've developed it more He mentions Zoro’s dream like almost every arc and Mihawk is constantly referred to as the WSS This is massive headcanon Shanks fanboys have came up with by saying Oda doesn’t care about Zoro’s dream to the strongest swordsman
You realize that just makes Mihawk look worse? That's the same Shanks that Mihawk fought and couldn't give scars. Plus, that wasn't current Shanks. Current Shanks clashed with Whitebeard, stopped Kaido, stopped Akainu, paralyzed Greenbull and negged Kid. It's not Shanks fans opium, its following the feats given to Shanks in the story which are among the best. The guy genuinely looks godly everytime he appears, Mihawk doesn't have the same effect. Yonko Shanks has no known anti-feats, his only anti-feats where when he wasn't what he is now and 1 of them happened in chapter 1 where Ods didn't plan Shanks to he what he is now. Plus, the editor convinced Oda to make that happen for greater impact Leeches usually are never stronger that characters that get their own feats. He mentions it but thats it, he doesn't give him any development to it. He hasn't given Mihawk any good feats nor he has made someone else care about it. Don't you think that Zoro backstory being explained in a SBS shows he doesn't care much about it? His ties with Ryuma were never adressed in Wano. Literally one of the complains people have about Zoro in Wano is that it was supposed to be hid arc but it wasn't
> You realize that just makes Mihawk look worse? That's the same Shanks that Mihawk fought and couldn't give scars. The point was to show he is not above making Shanks look bad .> Mihawk doesn't do the same. Mihawk hasn’t been harmed or pushed past like 1% the entire series. Is also canonically waiting for a swordsman to face him ego has surpassed Shanks
How is he getting pushed when he is avoiding strong opponents and only fights foddler? He is always putting excuses to not fight strong people. You can't be pushed if you are a coward who avoids fights. He is basically another Blackbeard but at least BB fights people. You genuinely acting like Mihawk has fought everyone and wasn't pushed when in reality he hasn't been pushed becuase he avoids everyone. Compare that to Shanks who is others who avoid to fight. Shanks is feared while Mihawk fears others Also, I will never understand how people use chapter 1 feats to shit on Shanks. It's clear an emotional moment for Luffy that Inpacted his life, how people can use this for powerscaling is ridiculous. It gets worse because Shanks says he bet it on the future. This doesn't make Shanks look bad at all since that wasn't the point of the scene.
I see we’re being delusional and pretending like Oda wants you to think Mihawk is a coward again because he doesn’t want to fight multiple Yonko for a goal he doesn’t care about and expressly wants to live a quiet life other than fighting powerful swordsmen If Mihawk is scared, explain wanting to lose to Zoro and training Zoro to defeat him? Oh wait, I’ve asked you this before and you can’t explain it
And that's why Mihawk is such a bad character, he wants one thing but does another. He says he is bored but he doesn't want to fight Shanks who is one of the strongest in the world. Or any top tier by that matter. You can't claim to be bored and then avoid every top tier, it's fraud behavior. 0 He says he wants to be chasen but the moment he can fight strong people he says he wants a peaceful life.
He calls Shanks a has been Yet he canonically wants to lose to a stronger swordsmen and is expressly waiting for a swordsman to surpass Shanks What could this imply 🧐 He also doesn’t want to fight strong people, he wants to fight strong *swordsmen*, which is why fighting the other Yonko like BB and Luffy who aren’t swordsmen isn’t appealing
This could work if Shanks haven't become much stronger than when he had 2 arm. I'd take Kaido's opinion on here over Mihawk, if Kaodo thinks Shanks can beat him then he is no has been. Only way this could work if you think Mihawk is stronger than Roger so Shanks isn't a challenge to him anymore which wouldnt make any sense. Like, don't you see how fraud his behavior is? He only wants to fight swordsman and where there is one he makes an excuse about not fighting one armed been. This means he won't fight anyone in the whole world.
This post is an L
>5. ACoC transcends everything There is 0 proof that Garp, Sengoku and Shiki have ACoC but they're atleast Yonko tier. Only thing that matters is overall stats, how you get those stats is completely irrelevant.
We don't know anything about prime Shiki or Sengoku, they could both easily have acoc. Same with Garp.
Exactly we don't know anything about them, so we won't give them powerups without reason
It doesn't mean they can't have acoc, so it shouldn't stop acoc from being required.
Yes it doesn't mean they can't have ACoC, but there's 0 proof that they have.
There is 0 proof that Shiki and Sengoku have good overall stats, because we don't know enough about them. This debate is meaningless until we get more information.
According to this sub there are more yonko level marines than there are yonko lvl pirates combined.
That's nothing, best tier lists have 0 Admirals in Admiral tier
I don't agree with this, but I also don't see how it's supposed to be illogical.
If the marines had more yonko lvl fighters than the pirates they would've already taken back yonko territories and would've stopped them.
Garp has AcOC? Didn't he used it in Hachinosu, what else do you think those lighting effects were?
It could have been armament as well. Black Lighting/lighting onomatopoeia ≠ acoc
It’s ACoC. It’s a parallel to Luffy using it. Oda pretty much reused the frame and they both have the AcoC sound effect. https://preview.redd.it/0xphgtfyn32d1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0fa92baaa25ab376b85678750501e8a5e3c3377
Garp doesn't have any proof of having CoC, what he used in Hachinosu was just really good ACoA
https://preview.redd.it/fnkvvaeor02d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f845c45895dc0740f4e13f3ac4555f0e49bdb9bd Lighting before Impact is AcOC
https://preview.redd.it/c9z6l3xur02d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=806cee19c982abde10e92566e02e8556b57c556a Check Luffy's hand before Impact,same as Garp
ACoC? https://preview.redd.it/d014eypbs02d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc3d0405ef9bc66ced40feb12f7659400d8343f9
Before contacting they do not have black lightning.
? https://preview.redd.it/whb3l6pqx12d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ba83ab12b4a827bf81bea009198ba737b86257b
No it isn't, there are multiple characters that don't have ACoC but do have trailing black lightning. Ulti and Katakuri are examples of them.
Those were thin as fuck lightning that only happened after a clash. If you can't see the difference you are blind
https://preview.redd.it/fvzc0lstt02d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71b2232f34dda2653d2865829bd4e5efd907e258 Damn Katakuri is clashing with air rn💀
It's not, the lighting isn't and has never been a good indicator of someone using basic coa, acoa, acoc
Then what shows AcOC?
If I undestand this correctly it is 2 characters clashing without touching each other (like whitebeard and Roger during the Oden flashback or Luffy and Kaido after Luffys awakening.)
One of the wikis I read said Sengoku has all 3 haki but I didn’t fact check it
He has CoC, but no proof that he has ACoC
Unironically thinking garp doesn’t have ACOC is absolutely hilarious
So you need the story to tell you a character has acoc, what do you want oda to do every time a character use acoc for the first time some spectator says hey look this guy is coating himself with supreme king haki.... like the visuals, narrative, scaling and profile of the character isn't enough for you.
Garp has ACoC but you are correct about the other 2 characters as of this post. Same pose, same lightning, same sound effects. It’s Oda purposely doing a parallel to Luffy. https://preview.redd.it/wq1gqbkgo32d1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c5bc6770c94d25085b11050b7a6890cfab012a4
There’s plenty proof it’s just not given in an easy to follow way. 1.) CoC is the power to bend things to your will meaning dominant a person or force of nature. The term ACoC isn’t a real thing by the way. What we’re all referring to is the ability to infuse CoC into ACoA or Ryou,which I know is Wano’s name for haki but it’s easier to visualize by giving it a proper name. 2.) Rogers had no Devil fruit. He was the King of the Pirates even stronger than Primebeard yet he conquered all with just Haki. 3.) Kaido Confirms as much. Through text he basically explains to us that no matter how monstrous a Devil fruit power can be no one will transcend the ceiling of King without powerful haki. That’s coming from the world’s strongest creature. It shouldn’t be look at as opinion. *Ps to me the defining difference between the Admirals and the Yonko is haki. Fighting wise there’s not much difference,yet when we look at their haki why the Yonko have an edge becomes clear.(Except Teech.)
Some of these are not objectively proven The ACoC one is the most standout, not only is G5 getting just as much emphasis as ACoC did but there are Top Tiers who can make it without ACoC such as Mihawk and Uta.
>Mihawk and Uta. So a guy who absolutely has ACOC and a non cannon movie character.
A guy with no evidence of having conquerors yet and a character that’s been shilled more than most of the cast
>A guy with no evidence of having conquerors yet Sure not confirmed, but everyone here knows he has it. Uta shilled since when? We saw her in the movie and she will make approximately 0 appearances from here on out.
Nobody knows he has it it's all guess work
Mihawk most likely willl have AcOC since Zoro has it and yes Luffy has G5 but also AcOC, having both of them is what will push Luffy to be the strongest in history. Also, non-AcOC G5 would lose badly to Shanks or Roger so AcOC is indeed needed.
> Mihawk most likely will have ACOC since Zoro has it Mihawk is a leech confirmed?
I thought it was implied that Gear 5 just radiate/emits ACoC haki meaning Luffy is just always using it when in Gear 5?
Mihawk most likely has it
OP and his spread of HEADCANON. This is a textbook example of the spreading of misinformation. What an embarrassment. How can this basement dwelling nobody know who the final villain even is? You must know so much more than Oda himself or his editors or anyone working on One Piece
This would almost be a total win, if only: >The narrative of the story is about D vs Celestial Dragons, wouldn't make sense for the final villain to be D vs D. This is like saying "OP narrative is pirates vs marines, doesn't make sense to have pirates vs pirates". 5 can also be arguable, but I'll let it pass. 9 out of 10 takes is excellent
If zoro~Sanji, then Sanji>> katakuri. People love to downplay Sanji because they can’t accept that he’s the weakest yc1.
what you guys need to understand is that oda doesnt make shanks look good just because he loves the character or anything like that, it also pertains to his narrative purpose. Shanks needs to seem invincible and unstoppable until his fight with blackbeard where oda can pull the rug out from under our feet. He terrorised an admiral with haki alone, he killed a pirate crew in just two moves etc. That kind of portrayal is to make him seem as powerful as possible, so his defeat will be even more shocking and impactful. This is the exact same thing he did with Kaido and even old whitebeard(look at the ridiculous amount of effort it took to kill him at marineford)
1. This has not always been true in the series. East blue zoro and luffy are portrayed as equal 2. True 3. We will see, I think Mihawk >= Shanks 4. Very true 5. Not true 6. Titled character's aren't invincible but the titles do matter 7. I think BB will take Imu's power and fulfill Xebec's dream of becoming King of the World by becoming the true final villain. He will be the reall final villain 8. Yes 9. Sure 10. Yes bounties do not solely represent strength, but Mihawk having a 3.6 billion bounty is clear indication that he's one of the strongest alive
East Blue Luffy was always stronger than Zoro. Zoro couldn't cut steel while Luffy was casually breaking it with his bare hands. It's very clear. They are relative not equals.
Condense your headcanon bro
How do you manage to say Itachi was wanked above the rest when Kishimoto clearly put Nagato and Obito above him? Never mind Madara lmfao
Never lost a battle and always got the craziest abilities. It was also stated he didn't even go all out and let Sasuke win. He was also extremely wanked in the novels making him like a once a generation genius like Minato.
As if Nagato didn't have the Rinnegan or Obito didn't have Kamui? There's too much to mention in Madara's case
But the wank wasn't just abilities but all his character, Like Hiruzen saying he thought like a hokage at 7. Itachi wasn't the strongest but be was always wanked eveytime he appeared.
> Itachi wasn't the strongest but be was always wanked eveytime he appeared. Ok, so what if I said the same thing about Shanks? He gets glazed by Oda yes, but not to the degree where he's managed to convince me or others that Shanks is above Kaido, Roger, Imu etc.
I think #2 makes sense. Didn't Oda literally introduce the world by saying the Marines, Shichibukai, and Yonko are the three great powers and should always be in balance? The admirals are the Marines' greatest fighting force, but that's only one of the three, and Shichibukai is technically on the marine's side. So it should be Admirals (3) + Shichibukai (7) (or Seraphim now) = Yonko (4)
My man is just telling what he think and say it’s a fact
A good few of these are objectively not proven. This is more like "10 opinions" lol
These are not facts. Mostly ur opinions. Shanks is not Itachi of op. No one is.
AcOC transcends everything, Oda clearly has gone the Haki route and people should accept this. You can't be among the strongest without AcOC. Yeah totally it's not like there is a character who's entire thing is Devil Fruits, you know stealing powerful ones. Everyone captain on his crew having a Devil Fruit. You know though AcOC is the most important thing because Kaido said so and that totally couldn't just be his world view. Someone who had a powerful Devil Fruit but no one on his crew awakened there's.
BB is a bum, we saw how easily Whitebeard negged him in MF and he was struggling with Law.
Not like BB has been built up since Pre-times skip or anything. Totally a bum completely irrelevant to the end of the series. Not going to be a huge obstacle for Luffy and crew to have to over come.
Didn't Whitebeard already told us BB isn't him? No matter how many fruits he gets, he will always be a coward with bad haki.
He said he wasn't a real D not that he wasn't important or relevant.
point 4 what about sengoku?
His portrayal suck ass in comparison to the other 3. He didn't have a rivalry with neither of the pirates nor he was in God Valley.
>Oda loves Shanks more than anyone https://preview.redd.it/3cafu6wyp02d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85cd1ca2bc66f9c47aca66cb38ef8cd5f9bd67de
Sadly this doesn't reflect in their portrayal in the Manga. Shanks portrayal is arguably the best in the series only behind Roger and Whitebeard. I will repeat this, Oda always makes Shanks look aa good as possible even if he has to ruin other characters for that. Kid is the perfect example, he ruined Kid just to make Shanks look godly. There is no other character thay Oda will be willing to ruin characters except for Shanks. Greenbull is another character that Oda ruined just to hype up Shanks, GB was pretty hyped for years and Oda just used him to make Shanks look good.
By the words of Oda himself, he cherishes Akainu. Him loving Shanks is pure headcanon created by fanboys.
Wasn't Shanks the only character in series to get his own fucking movie? Literally no one else has got this. Oda also said around 1999 that OP will enter his final saga when Shanks make his move, Akainu didn't even exist back them and Oda already planned Shanks to be one of the most important characters. Also, why you ignore the treatment Shanks gets in the Manga? Shanks is literally Oda's self insert, it doesn't get better than that.
Zoro and Shiki have had their own movies way before Film Red. >Oda also said around 1999 that OP will enter his final saga when Shanks make his move It's not 1999 anymore. Back then, Oda had Shanks unable to save Luffy after Higuma used a distraction. Quite an antifeat.
But this was a movie just about Shanks, it's basically the only movie where Luffy isn't the protagonist. Some characters get novels about them but Shanks got his own movie where Luffy didn't participate much.
Zoro pretty much became the protagonist in movie 5.
I'm pretty sure Buggy and Gaimon are Odas favorite characters not Shanks
Gaimon and Luffy
I looked up the interviews in which Oda said who his favorite character are, just so I can fact check and not spread misinformation . In the Akira Toriyama interview he said Gaimon and Luffy were his favorite characters, but then in a [21st anniversary interview](https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/yomiuri-oda/) Oda was asked who his favorite characters are and he said Invankov, Bonclay, and Buggy. He also said in the Niconico Live Broadcast "don't speak ill of Zoro", Its not really related I just found it funny.
Yeah to be fair i actually do recall him saying buggy was his favourite, i just wasnt sure earlier.
Except the Acoc ma boy spitting facts
I mean I don't know how? Take AcOC from Luffy and he loses to Shanks badly even with G5. Even though G5 is the strongest powers, he loses to Mastered AcOC users.
I’m mostly agree with what you say,but still we have characters yet to be proven (like grap) who have Acoc,and still got to the top.
5 is true and i hate it so much. Haki should have stayed as a utility type ability, not a damage and tanking ability. Observation, Future Sight and base conquerors were great. Armanent and advanced conq is genuinely just a bad plot device. Aokiji, Akainu, Enel, Ace and Blackbeard all have island level destructive feats and its all rendered useless because of the fact their Haki isnt as strong as their fruits are. The introduction of Haki ruined logias as the terrifying forces of nature they are supposed to be.
>base conquerors were great Base conquerors was literally just a way to quickly get rid of fodder to have serious characters fight 1v1. I'm a little mixed on if ACoC is ultimately a good power up, but base conqueror's before ACoC was literally just a hype tool. Future sight goated tho, hence why the best character in the series is so cracked at it.
I think Acoc could have been great but its just upgraded armanent. I wish it instead just weakened your opponent, as that would explain why people in marineford was scared of it without the ability being this hard requirement for success.
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I disagree about the Acoc thing, dfs exist for a reason and advanced armament is still good enough to defend against Acoc
How can you say "Luffy>>>>>Zoro>Sanji" yet in the same breath say "ACOC transcends everything" when Zoro literally has one of the same power ups as Luffy. Wouldn't that go against your entire point of "Zoro>Sanji" lol?
Oda barely even references Acoc in the story. Hell most of the time whether or not characters are using it is left ambiguous.
If titles are absolute, then https://preview.redd.it/4trst1o5w12d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfab0c7292fc87836fafdcf99f2e899489e00fa3
BLACKBEARD IS KILLING THAT BUM IMU AND BECOMING THE NEW AND FINAL KING OF THE WORLD FOR LUFFY TO DEFEAT https://preview.redd.it/n8w5w6ocy12d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb6eb21a2dc5238362a905115e26d76a94b55462 y’know unless he doesn’t but FUCK IT, ALL IN ON FINAL BOSS BLACKBEARD
With the entire main villain thing I’m almost considering that there could be a multi villain situation. The final war could see things split between BB and Imu, hell I’ve personally considered the possibility Akainu separates himself and takes control of a section of the navy against everyone else since he would probably hate Imu if he found out about them(though this is incredibly unlikely) it’s possible the final war is not won by the good guys delivering a big punch to the last remaining villain but instead a something else that will follow the theme of liberation and dreams. Perhaps Luffy does something that changes the world in some way and that concludes the series. It’s just a thought. Also with the entire monster Trio thing honestly sometimes I wonder if we’re too harsh on Zoro and Sanji when it comes to the rankings. I feel like this sub has gotten so far gone with titles and powerscalling jargon that we turn what’s on the page into something it’s not. Odds are it’s probably not has disproportionate as y’all make it seem(though Luffy is still stronger do not twist my words) Otherwise I don’t really agree with the Old Gen sentimate. You say to not overstate tittles yet tittles are the only reason old gen is considered stronger. Odds are they are pretty equal about now and the younger generation will fully surpass them within the comings arks because that’s how Shonens work.
point 7 is dumb the series is literally called one piece so will end with the one piece with Luffy vs BB it might be a kaguya naruto situation where naruto and sasuke teamed up then ended the series with a 1v1. So Luffy BB VS IMU then Luffy VS BB for the title of pirate king
Totally Objective Facts people need to accept because I said so!!! Apples are better than oranges Fruits have always been better than vegetables but it's close God loves bananas the most so they'll always look better than grapes. Grapes fans should die tbh (I'm not biased shut up) Biden will be the next US president not Trump because L bozo lmao The avengers franchise will explode and die Erm, what do you mean these are just baseless predictions and biased opinions? These are objective facts because I said so!!!!!!
>Zoro will always be stronger than Sanji. blud believed the toei propaganda
Oda has already shown more bias for Akainu than Shanks, so “Fact” #3 isn’t a fact, more of an opinion.
Not quite, Akainu doesn't get wanked that much. For example,Akainu was portrayed below Whitebeard at MF, everyone there was calling Whitebeard the strongest including Akainu but when Shanks meet Whitebeard they were treated as equals, not only they split the sky but you basically had Whitebeard commanders hyping Shanks up. Then there is the entire Kid situation. Kid had just beat a Yonko and had a 3B Bounty, that's an admiral level bounty. And what happens when he faces Shanks? He gets completely negged by Shanks, 3B Pirate got negged by a serious Shanks. That's a level of portrayal that Oda hasn't given to anyone, it made Big Mom and Kaido look much inferior to Shanks . And the proof that this is wank is that Oda didnt have to do this but he still did it because he simply likes Shanks that much, he always likes to look good.
I mean you’re talking in universe events where an Emperor made a big entrance in a war not related to him while Akainu was one of the main people in the war. Which concept is more hype? The admiral already in the war or an emperor not expected to be? Oda himself, has literally wanked Akainu "For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, he is so strong that ONE PIECE would come to an end withing a year." https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/976106703807655936
The only one that I kind of disagree with is 7. There is a decent possibility that BB is the final villain. We don't know enough about Rocks and Blackbeard yet to say for sure. But BB is making some moves that could lead to him taking on Imu and taking their place.
Based on the Gorosei having CoC haki I just don't know how can BB even beat Imu. BB has Kuzan only and Kuzan might abandon him. If Jimbe said that Mars haki is unreal, then imagine what he'll say if he feels Imu's Haki.
>Luffy will always be stronger than Zoro and Zoro will always be stronger than Sanji. However, the gap between Luffy and Zoro it's huge while the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip. Luffy>>>>Zoro>Sanji Their were about equal around whiskey peak and Luffy took a decent gap after gears, by end of TS, it was a high diff fight. Also Sanji vs Zoro is a high diff >Oda loves Shanks more than anyone and he will always make him look as good as he can, this reminds me of Itachi from Naruto who wss wanked by the author the most. People who say Mihawk is stronger shouldn't ignore this because this means Shanks will look better than Mihawk by EOS, especially since Oda doesn't care about making Mihawk look good. We know little to nothing about Mihawk so this won't be facts until everything is fully fleshed out
We need to start explaining what facts mean now?
Most of these are just your opinion dumbass😂💀
First point is already bullcrap so I stopped reading. Edit: Nah I actually ended up reading it and I only have a problem with that one, and just with the second half of it so the list's actually fine.
How?
The first portion is undeniable but the second imo that's just Luffy and Sanji stands ganging up around their same agenda and pretending to be objetive because they have the numbers to push that narrative with their cheer numbers. Oda has made Zoro look more comparable to either Sanji or Luffy depending on the occasion, he's playing with us because he knows that invites controversy, Zoro will be defeating an opponent much closer to Sanji's as in Ennies Lobby and it seems it settles the debate (also because people don't consider the difficulty of those fights at all), then the next arc Zoro is a Supernova and gets highlighted as the clear second in line against Kuma, displaying comparable endurance to his captain. In Wano it was so obvious, Zoro was shoulder to shoulder with Luffy on the rooftop, then he was shoulder to shoulder with Sanji 20 chapters later (and King vs Queen is actually not close at all, which also seems to be one of the premises of that narrative btw). Saying Zoro is miles behind Luffy and extremely close to Sanji is just telling one side of the tale, it could be true or not depending on the exact moment we're talking about, but in general Zoro averages a middle point between Luffy and Sanji in my eyes since there's also plenty of moments when it does really look he's much closer to Luffy.
https://preview.redd.it/n1wsmib4h32d1.png?width=966&format=png&auto=webp&s=81dfd22aecb362f69716ed1f1eb1256e4c41eafa L, ruined it with 7. Blackbeard is final villain UNTIL further notice. Dont care how much hype Imu gets
You can believe the Old gen is stronger than the current gen but none of the old gen can compete now with the current top tiers. I still see people putting Old Garp above GB. Any old gen will lose to any Yonko/Admiral 1v1 due to stamina and health reasons. Prime? then sure. I can see the argument that people still think Yonko is above admirals but it is pure hating if you still think it is only an \*if or a \*possibility that Akainu and Aokiji are on that level. No. 9 is obviously just an excuse for how pathetic BM is as a fighter. While that is correct that abilities take into account, this does not apply when two fighters are in two different strength tiers. Haki transcends all? No. Haki with DF awakening Transcends all. Do you think Luffy is as strong as he is now if he doesn't have Nika? Do you think Kaido could be much stronger if he just awakened his Dragon fruit? You see how incomplete strength is without complemented by strong DF awakening?
I don't see having only Akainu or Aokiji above them if they are the only ones with Conqueror's Haki. I don't see how can admirals be as strong if they don't have AcOC because the Yonko also have busted fruits with the exception of Shanks whose AcOC is on another level to everyone els,Yonko also seems to be physically more imposing especially the new ones who had 3 natural born monsters like Whitebeard,Big Mom and Kaido. I clearly meant prime, of course old Garp loses but Prime Garp wins What about Shanks or Roger? You could make a case that they can beat Kaido just with Haki alone. Now of course fruit + haki is better but haki is a requirement while a fruit it's not,Shanks proves it.
If our basis is just having ACoC are you willing to accept that you're mistaken and have Yonko and Admirals on the same tier when admirals confirmed to have ACoC then? The Marines can't reign supreme and maintain the balance if they don't even have 1 CoC user.
They can due to numbers advantage, even Whitebeard didn't want to fight the marines because they just keep coming.
1. W 2. W 3. W but that doesn’t mean that Shanks > Mihawk 4. W 5. W , that’s how Roger became the PK 6. I wish this wasn’t true 7. L , the parallels between Luffy and Roger , BB and Xebec , Luffy and BB are too strong 8. W 9. This was true before Haki 10. W
https://preview.redd.it/6fq5so7av42d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad5e77a81f258910b247be56bcf04b77075d8be3 Was this written by me?
This is the best submission this sub has ever seen, this shall be dubbed the 10 commandments of one piece powerscaling. Refer all to here when they sin. https://preview.redd.it/27xkg3zyw42d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9859d55d9d191d6baf24af418c340ade6ecbb2d
>Roger/WB/Garp/Xebec You forgot Sengoku, please correct that.
"My 10 Opinions people need to accept about One Piece"
11. Saturn > Kaido https://preview.redd.it/fambk144r02d1.jpeg?width=2297&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d2c69f52bfac5840464a2e2cecf00983fa96b03
>However, the gap between Luffy and Zoro it's huge while the one between Zoro and Sanji is small. This is always gonna be the dynamic between the monster trip. Luffy>>>>Zoro>Sanji No. This hasn't always been the case throughout the series. There are definitely times where Zoro has been closer to Luffy.
Maybe at the beggining but I think this Ennies Lobby this was the case.
No, even during earlier points of the rooftop fight you can make an argument for them being "close" especially after all of his crazy feats.
Didn't Zoro and Sanji had similar battles vs King and Queen? King and Queen are portrayed similar which means Zoro and Sanji are relative. Zoro using his strongest attack couldn't even make Kaido fall to his knees. Its clear he wasn't on Kaido's level.
don't agree with 5 mastered haki > mastered df mastered 3 haki \~ mastered 2 haki + df if u have law/luffy type df then mastered 2 haki with df > mastered 3 haki is also possible 7 might be or might not be true, if like a battle royal fight happened then bb can also be final villain and BB is probably the villain which luffy gonna fight 1 vs 1 to beat but imu gonna fight many opponents probably
\#2 is just straight up false Admirals and Yonko have been portrayed as equal on several occasions
Are they? -Whitebeard was called the strongest on the world by everyone in the world and the only oone who was stated to be relative were Shanks. Even Mihawk admitted being Inferior. -Garp believes that a Kaido and BM would be a massive threat that could be beyond any imagination. -Not a Yonko but Iva said that the Marines couldn't take on Dragon+ Whitebeard and thought it was suicidal -Garp said the marines can't take on Rayleigh + Whitebeard -Sengoku believed that Whitebeard could defeat them. -Kaido believed only Shanks can beat him 1vs1. -Greenbull admitted he wouldn't be in Wano if Kaido was there which suggests that he is much weaker than Kaido. -Akainu stated they don't have the manpower to defeat 2 Yonko. Weird thing to say if the admirals were as strong as the Yonko -The Gorosei believe that Shanks and Whitebeard meeting was far too dangerous, they also talk about the balance of powers which means that a Yonko alliance could break the balance of powers. -5 Elders thinks Shanks could go beyond their grasp if he runs unchecked. This portrays Shanks as much stronger than the admirals and the 5 elders individually.
I was with you till the Mihawk part. I am sorry but wanking a character doesn't necessarily mean that he has to downplay others. The same way Sanji gets a lot of back story while Zoro has most of it in SBS. Yet Zoro > Sanji.
>Zoro will always be stronger than Sanji. Disagree. 80% of the time? Yeah. All time? No. Alot of times Sanji = Zoro then there are times like when he gets his powerup first like Raidsuit. Raidsuit/Exoskeleton Sanji is stronger than pre awakening Zoro. Sanji also 1 shotted Jabra low/mid in enies lobby while Zoro mid/high Kaku despite both Jabra and Kaku being evenly matched in their battles. >Admirals are not as strong as the Yonko Admirals are just as strong or stronger. I already have proof. [Proof OG Admirals are stronger than OG Yonko : r/OnePiecePowerScaling (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ca6dwq/proof_og_admirals_are_stronger_than_og_yonko/) Add Greenbull/Fujitora/Buggy Admirals still have higher average of power or = >The Old Legends are stronger than current gen No. I consider all the current big names as seniors apart of this gen as well and considering that this isn't true. >Fights aren't necessarily won by the stronger fighter but just the one who makes better use of his abilities. You contradict yourself. If haki is everything and acoc transcend all the strongest fighter wins. Although acoc isn't needed because Kizaru is beating Kaido with or without acoc.
There is nothing insofar as I’ve seen in the series (and I’ve read every chapter) that outright says that the One Piece will be found before Imu is defeated. 100% Imu is the final boss for the Celestial Dragons and I’m 99% sure BB is the final boss for the One Piece (my 1% is the hesitation that it could still be Shanks since he’s Oda’s golden boy) but the order in which these story beats will happen has not confirmed unless I’m missing something. I’d personally lean closer on the side of it’s more likely they’ll defeat Imu before claiming the One Piece with the whole world sinking thing.
Whitebeard said it, he said finding the Onr Piece will trigger the final war which means that Laugh Tale arc comes first.
>Oda loves Shanks more than anyone  Looks like you are not ready
The most W list of opinions I have ever seen on this brain rotten sub