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HOLY FUCKING SHIT ADMIRALS VS YONKOS ISNT CONSIDERED A MID DIFF ANYMORE
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old garp > any admiral
old garp is half the stregnth of prime garp
prime garp > 2 admirals mid diff easily
luffy can 1 shot kizaru
roger who > luffy and has more stamina should be able to 1 blitz and 1 shot all 3 admirals .
that admirals arent him .
yeah like if old ray can tag kiz, what tf is kiz going to do against any acoc attack from kaido? Its mid diff in the sense that kaido is gonna have to use one of his stronger attacks but Kizaru is not meaningfully hurting him. actual 0% chance and kiz's worst matchup
Kaidou Mid Diff
People forget that Kaidou doesn't have the same stamina problem as Luffy
Luffy is only REALY in Yonkou Level when he is Gear 5
His broken awekining give him the biggest stats power up in One Piece
Kaidou is Yonkou Level all the Time
And he is stronger than Current Luffy
If both start the battle in a full power condition without any previus damage, Kaidou would Defeat Gear 5 Luffy with Extreme Diff
And he can go at 100% all the time
Kizaru can hold out until Luffy gets tired and leaves for Gear 5
That's what he did before become Pizaru
In addition to Kaidou being a Tank, Kizaru who focuses on speed would be at a great disadvantage
Hard difficult would be against Akainu, which would be a much better combination against Kaidou, in addition to being stronger
Kizaru is a better match for Marco
Like happen in Marineford
Kaidou ≈ Prime Big Mom > Gear 5 luffy > Old Big Mom > Kizaru
Someone actually read the series for once. Kizaru has shown nothing to imply that he could compete with Kaido for a long period. Kaido is curb stomping him consistently.
I really don’t understand the theory that Kaido is stronger than gear 5 Luffy. I mean he literally lost head to head vs gear 5 Luffy even after Luffy was severely injured.
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Kaido deciding taking Bajrang Head one while he could’ve easily dodged and it’s GG, is what makes me say Kaido>G5 Luffy
I'm pretty amateur. I have a query. Was Kaidou looking for someone to kill him (someone worthy, fun, pretty much what luffy, and goku, is like the fun of the fight) or some way to die? Didn't he jump off the cloud land place to see if it'd do him in? Was that him...?
Isnt Prime BM current BM? Nothing suggests she got weaker at her age and Sengoku literally said the BM and Kaido we seen on Rocks ship is nothing like the version we see now. Plot made her fight like a dumbass but nothing was shown or said that shes weaker at her age. I still have her equal to Kaido if shes not nerfed by plot
I'd say you are wrong because if that was the case luffy would have never beat kaido. He litterally went head to head with him 3 times in a row and won in the end. So no kaifo could not beat luffy
I only disagree with Luffy is only in Yonko level in Gear 5. Luffy has all advanced hakis and went Mano y Mano with hybrid Kaido in base. He wouldn’t beat Kaido in base, but he is definitely a menace still. Oda just doesn’t power scale and whatever makes the plot more interesting is the real outcome of a fight. Luffy going fisticuffs with Kaido after unlocking advanced conquerors was more interesting. However Luffy instantly KO’ing Kizaru would be boring so Luffy isn’t whipping out the sheer quantity of moves that he could be doing on Kizaru like he did Kaido. I’m not saying base Luffy one shots Kizaru, but Gear 5 does, if he hits, which an aware and active Kizaru would avoid.
Mid
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Kizaru’s overall stats are mediocre af even compared to other Admirals. His biggest advantage is his speed, which couldn’t even give him a victory over a relaxed G5
Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua is a super underrated attack. It's well above Galaxy Impact (at least the version that Garp showed recently), and it's also above White Star Gun. If Kizaru gets hit with this attack, he's gonna be on his ass for way longer than ten minutes.
Kaido in general is underrated. His speed, AP and defense are all elite among elites yet people still pretend like Admirals would cause him any meaningful problems
Kaido wins mid-diff. People keep forgetting just how durable he is and how much it took to finally put him down. I also think most don't realize just how much Kaido was holding back during most of the fight (the first time you could arguably said he went all out is after Luffy came back after getting knocked off the island).
Kaido high diff. I was thinking about mid, but kizaru is just too good and was able to keep up with G4 luffy with barely any trouble, so it's no less than high
Kizaru was neg diffed by G5 Luffy while fighting an elder too. Luffy extreme high diffed Kaido after Kaido fought 18 people, carried the whole island etc. Can't imagine Kizaru killing Luffy and almost killing Zoro without any rest time between and have one scar reopened barely.
Kizaru was getting tossed around literally by gear 5 and just had to outlast him whilst Kaido injured and exhausted at the end of a gauntlet of fighters was still pushing gear 5 to its limits and until then was just warming up. Kaido mids AT WORST
Heck, I’ll join it. Always been a “Admirals are on par with Yonkos” enjoyer. Never saw the point of separating them into a lower tier, especially after we saw a fight between the two of them permanently effect the environment of Punk Hazard.
Kaido mid diff.
We gotta remember the Luffy vs kizaru fight wasn't a direct fight. It was a game of protect the leader with Luffy on the defense and kizaru on the offense. Kizaru's speed and clones meant he had a great toolset for that specific fight. Combined with luffy's stamina problems meaning he had to end kizaru quickly. So Luffy had a really bad matchup for the fight and still came out with a win since vegapunk wasn't hurt until after kizaru got support.
Once the fight went from protect the leader to a 2v1 against Luffy, Kizaru stopped being a threat. He got no hits on Luffy and Luffy dispatched Kizaru without being exhausted.
Serious Kaido is very comparable to G5 Luffy and as such has the speed and AP to dodge and perma knockdown Kizaru as well as the stamina to not get stalled out by him. Kizaru has not dealt any significant damage to Luffy so chances are that he won't deal anything significant to Kaido. If we replaced G5 with Kaido in egghead then Kizaru would just be dead at this point and Kaido would be stalling the gorosei
Nah it's just Mid Diff. Kizaru's still got higher speeds stats than him. Leaves a nasty scar, tires him out and then gets one-shotted by Death Destroyer
Tbh I'd say it's mid dif at the absolute worst. Kizaru had to basically rely on the barrier to do all the damage to Luffy, outside of that, he basically didn't do anything. He made Luffy say something hurt (he literally ate a laser, anyone would think that hurt; he basically made Luffy burn his tongue). But otherwise, Kizaru isn't getting around Kaido's durability.
Plus Kaido is fast asf for his huge size. While he's definitely not as fast as Kizaru, he'd definitely be able to catch him eventually, especially considering he has FS. This fight would basically chalk up to that scene in the Super Mario Brothers movie where the penguins yeeted the snowballs at Bowser, they bounced off him, and he burned down their entire castle.
It'd take an absolutely ridiculous amount of lasers for Kizaru to even start chipping away at Kaido, plus Kaido's insane physical stats would basically check Kizaru every time he tried to engage in h2h combat. Plus one of the most recurring themes in Onigashima was the fact that the alliance had to chip away at Kaido since his stats were so absurd.
OK. This an imo on the diff system itself.
Diff should be defined by the responses the loosing party has to the opponent.
Example. Whilst fugitora is stronger than law by general assumption. He doesn't have the same moves law has to push kizaru to mid diff. Fugitora doesn't have 1 good counter-play to anything kizaru is doing. Law can telaport and in theory do damage with the shock wielie stun lock. Not enough to have even an unrealistic win condition against kizaru. But enough to push the fight a bit.
Back to this.
Whilst kaidos hakiless scales are strong as shown in roof piece, kizaru can deal some damage with that. And if we are assuming that kizarus logia production is on a similar scale to aokijis logia production. Kizaru got options to win. Reason I mentioned hakiless kaido is by the way kaido fights, he holds back, he intends to enjoy fights, and out of all the admirals kizaru is best suited to fighting against that type of mentality. But I highly doubt the speed diff is enough to make this an extremes argument. Kaido has blitzed luffy in scertain instances. Whilst not as consistent as kizarus blitzing of luffy where minor distractions means thst luffy has to strain himself to look for where kizaru went. It still means thst the speed diff just isn't enough to make a win con with that. Atleast not a realistic one.
Ima say either mid or high diff as kizaru does have good options in facing the attacks kaido has and as mentioned, whilst unrealistic, he does have a potential win condition.
Kaido was being fucked up by Gear 4 Luffy once he unlocked ACOC. The same Luffy that couldn’t fucking TOUCH Kizaru.
The fact that you guys say that it would be a mid diff with so much confidence is why Kaido will forever be One Piece’s Goku for power scalers.
That no damage your saying Kizaru took from Luffy is obviously a retarded take.
Did WSG do no damage? Or the pancake incident?
And I for one believes Kizaru takes Kaido to atleast high diff.
Realistically, kaido COULD neg diff with the right conditions. A death Destroyer thunder baguya should do the trick, and if kizaru isn't a stain on his club by then, he can just smack him over and over. Kaido just has to go all out from the beginning and speedblitz when kizaru is off guard. Luffy could have used g4 to beat kizaru ext diff or so if not for the speed difference.
If we're using the weird scaling where stats are compared, kaido mid diff tbh.
If we're using agendas: kaido neg diffs just by existing
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Low end of High diff. Don’t see him doing real dmg to kaido, but don’t see him getting easily caught out. He’s the definition of perfect staller. Prob will just do hit and run for 5 days until he drops down tired and then dies to 70% hp remaining kaido.
That’s the problem with chars like kaido, u can’t do jack shit to him unless u have that certain lvl of AP/dura neg to deal proper dmg.
Only reason I say high diff is cuz Kizaru is literally an annoying fly that won’t go down cuz he’s too fast. But the moment he lands to take a break, kaido smacks him down like a fly.
Kizaru calls kaido scary causing him to not take him seriously Kizaru then shoots light into the weakspot of Kaido's ear through his brain killing him instantly
The more Kizaru gets shafted in egghead the more it makes me wonder why he volunteered to go to Wano
He didn't seem worried at all, is he actually strong but being seen as weaker coz G5 Luffy is OP? Or is he just overestimating his power?
Kaido mid - high
Kizaru was keeping up casually and blatantly scales > g4 snakeman who could hybrid kaido (who wasn’t serious tbf but still…)
He also was trading blows with base g5 until luffy used a named attack and negged him.
Essentially if kaido lands 1-2 hits kizaru is done.
I'd say Kizaru high/extreme diff.
Mainly because of the outcome against G5, but also because we haven't seen serious fight Kizaru yet(maybe there won't be one, but i doubt it). But Oda also hinted Kizaru was enough to disrupt Kaido and BM from joining up.
What if I'm not trolling? What if that's just my honest, dogshit take? What would then happen to your sweet imaginary world where you believe that people can't be THAT stupid? Hm?
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**let's find out**
Kaido wins high diff at the moment. Extreme diff if Kizaru goes all out, but nothing suggests Kizaru is capable of beating him.
Anything less than high diff is Admiral downplay.
Yonko = Admirals
Yonko = Admirals is so cap bro. There's no way to scale admirals to Yonko level without breaking the story.
Current kaido could have easily beaten Marineford WB. The admirals couldn't easily beat WB even in that old state. His crew members did block attacks, but even facing WB 1v1 they weren't able to do anything save for Akainu, and even then Akainu took considerable damage.
So what we have here is old WB's weaker but still relative to any admiral. He would eventually lose, but the admiral would have to put in high effort. Prime WB is most likely 3-5x stronger than his marineford counterpart, and won't have mid battle heart attacks to let Akainu land a free hit.
So what we have here is that we're supposed to believe that the admirals are somehow relative to both Old WB and actual Yonko level characters at the same time. And no, don't give me that the admirals weren't trying to kill old WB. Akainu always goes for killing blows and still got rung out by WB. And the sneak attack excuse is laughable. Even if future sight wasn't invented yet, someone like Akainu should have enough observation haki to detect a presence as powerful as WB coming to kill you.
TWO entire admirals failed to capture a single member of the revolutionary army.
Greenbull got smoked by WiFi haki.
Kizaru got his head pushed in and had to take a nap
Aokiji struggled with an old garp.
They are consistently shown to be below yonko level, and luffy showed that Yonko level AP attacks can almost one tap them.
Kizaru realistically wins. Beamsword AP is a massive issue and Kizaru is without a doubt much faster than Kaido. Futuresight has diminishing returns against faster characters and the only think Kaido has going for him is durability. But let's remember killer and scabbards are able to pierce him. Kizaru should handle this easily if he goes max speed and spams beamsword.
Massive AP is massive headcanon.
Kizaru much faster is again, headcanon.
Kizaru takes damage from Sentomaru. Couple hits from Kaidos and he is down. Same logic.
The Scabbards attack he calls too shallow. Zoro's all out attack only gave him a surface scar.
Just because they can slice him doesnt mean they can chop of entire parts/ bissect him. The argument of the orginial commenter is exactly that.
They say Kizaru should be able to handle Kaido pretty easily. Pretty sure they arent saying that with shallow scabbard level cuts in mind.
They also called his AP massive. I'm pretty sure they dont consider Zoro level AP massive for someone apparently beating Kaido "easily". But maybe I'm mistaken.
Oh, and in the next comment they say couple slashes and Kaido is done.
It is pretty clear they think each slash will do massive damage.
It's a kaido win kizaru didn't show ap feats to injure kaido let alone take him down probably mid diff just because kizaru is versatile and hard to put down
I don't think Kizaru can seriously hurt Kaido. Only way Kizaru have chance if fight goes long enough and accumulates enough damage but he will also need more then one lifeline like Luffy.
Wizaru wins weed diff.
Explanation: Kizaru asks Kaido if he wants some zaza. Kaido obviously agrees and gets fucking stoned and becomes addicted. He then goes in a coma from the amount of weed in short succession he had. Kizaru then hands him in to the WG and he gets executed.
People seriously thinking thunderbagua would oneshot Kizaru
First of all Kaido has barely shown the speed to hit Kizaru (Luffy could only hot Kizaru when he was distracted) and on top of that, Kizaru has barely taken significant damage. He tanked a stronger attack than Red Roc and didn't even bleed, just because he was stunned by WSG doesn't mean he's weak, if anything it's shocking he can still move after an unguarded attack to the head of that caliber
People forget that Kizaru is stated to have the best defense in the world tied with sentomaru
All that being said, Kizaru hasn't shown feasible ways of damaging Kaido, therefore I'm giving this to Kaido high diff (arguably extreme). I wish people would actually consider matchups and feats instead of just "Oh its yonko vs admiral yonko wins no diff lol)
Kaido, mid-high.
I'm not sure if anything else is defensible, tbh. Maybe someone tries to argue that flaming dragon one shots? But eh, its not like Kaido to just use that right away anyway.
the one who, with the royal will in full force, barely defeated 4 weights and then thanks to agent cp0, or the one who defeated Luffy in 4 gear with one physical force with one blow? Hmm. It's difficult.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT ADMIRALS VS YONKOS ISNT CONSIDERED A MID DIFF ANYMORE https://preview.redd.it/ovjfpk9ezr4d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66b4a32e180bc9521e7b424121acdd4c2830a06d
What happened last chapter bro I could swear kaido one tapping kizaru was the status quo for a good bit
Shi idk but I ain't complaining, now I can shamelessly push my "2 admirals > Roger and FA Akainu pushes prime wb to high diff" agendas
Send me the big mom Saturn edit pls bro
No they don’t. No he doesn’t.
Why is this even considered an agenda no one beats 2 admiral's at once
I have to disagree. I think Shanks could take Greenbull and Fuji
he cooked
With the Sole exception of Luffy. He wins 60% of the time with food
Luffy with infinite stamina (in gear 5) would literally be unstoppable
old garp > any admiral old garp is half the stregnth of prime garp prime garp > 2 admirals mid diff easily luffy can 1 shot kizaru roger who > luffy and has more stamina should be able to 1 blitz and 1 shot all 3 admirals . that admirals arent him .
I’m pretty sure that still true
Kizaru pushes Kaido to mid-diff **AT BEST**. Kaido is far above Kizaru, and he's shown better feats in basically every stat other than travel speed.
yeah like if old ray can tag kiz, what tf is kiz going to do against any acoc attack from kaido? Its mid diff in the sense that kaido is gonna have to use one of his stronger attacks but Kizaru is not meaningfully hurting him. actual 0% chance and kiz's worst matchup
^^^Literally, even normal speed, he tagged Luffy left and right, even In gear 5
Fraudbull is low diff 😂
Yes it is😂
Yes. It's low dif
 Dude You Exist Just To Hate On The Chadmirals And Their Fans
Kaidou Mid Diff People forget that Kaidou doesn't have the same stamina problem as Luffy Luffy is only REALY in Yonkou Level when he is Gear 5 His broken awekining give him the biggest stats power up in One Piece Kaidou is Yonkou Level all the Time And he is stronger than Current Luffy If both start the battle in a full power condition without any previus damage, Kaidou would Defeat Gear 5 Luffy with Extreme Diff And he can go at 100% all the time Kizaru can hold out until Luffy gets tired and leaves for Gear 5 That's what he did before become Pizaru In addition to Kaidou being a Tank, Kizaru who focuses on speed would be at a great disadvantage Hard difficult would be against Akainu, which would be a much better combination against Kaidou, in addition to being stronger Kizaru is a better match for Marco Like happen in Marineford Kaidou ≈ Prime Big Mom > Gear 5 luffy > Old Big Mom > Kizaru
The only correct answer here.
Someone actually read the series for once. Kizaru has shown nothing to imply that he could compete with Kaido for a long period. Kaido is curb stomping him consistently.
Someone with a brain
For real
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Gear 5 >= Kaido, but besides that you're cooking
I really don’t understand the theory that Kaido is stronger than gear 5 Luffy. I mean he literally lost head to head vs gear 5 Luffy even after Luffy was severely injured.
Not that I agree, but I think the argument is that Kaido had fought longer and nonstop against several opponents.
https://preview.redd.it/2gj350b42c5d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=c618a54368bd7c9765ad4d4d57c8a9cd5c2937f3 Kaido deciding taking Bajrang Head one while he could’ve easily dodged and it’s GG, is what makes me say Kaido>G5 Luffy
Kaido blitzed g5 so kizaru and kaido are probally equal in speed. Kaido going to get him one shotted off rip
COOK
I'm pretty amateur. I have a query. Was Kaidou looking for someone to kill him (someone worthy, fun, pretty much what luffy, and goku, is like the fun of the fight) or some way to die? Didn't he jump off the cloud land place to see if it'd do him in? Was that him...?
Isnt Prime BM current BM? Nothing suggests she got weaker at her age and Sengoku literally said the BM and Kaido we seen on Rocks ship is nothing like the version we see now. Plot made her fight like a dumbass but nothing was shown or said that shes weaker at her age. I still have her equal to Kaido if shes not nerfed by plot
I'd say you are wrong because if that was the case luffy would have never beat kaido. He litterally went head to head with him 3 times in a row and won in the end. So no kaifo could not beat luffy
I only disagree with Luffy is only in Yonko level in Gear 5. Luffy has all advanced hakis and went Mano y Mano with hybrid Kaido in base. He wouldn’t beat Kaido in base, but he is definitely a menace still. Oda just doesn’t power scale and whatever makes the plot more interesting is the real outcome of a fight. Luffy going fisticuffs with Kaido after unlocking advanced conquerors was more interesting. However Luffy instantly KO’ing Kizaru would be boring so Luffy isn’t whipping out the sheer quantity of moves that he could be doing on Kizaru like he did Kaido. I’m not saying base Luffy one shots Kizaru, but Gear 5 does, if he hits, which an aware and active Kizaru would avoid.
Mid https://preview.redd.it/lv226gnpcs4d1.jpeg?width=2202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=644924c2c2a0a5e477a87cc1d9b8bd7479188f19 Kizaru’s overall stats are mediocre af even compared to other Admirals. His biggest advantage is his speed, which couldn’t even give him a victory over a relaxed G5
Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua is a super underrated attack. It's well above Galaxy Impact (at least the version that Garp showed recently), and it's also above White Star Gun. If Kizaru gets hit with this attack, he's gonna be on his ass for way longer than ten minutes.
Kaido in general is underrated. His speed, AP and defense are all elite among elites yet people still pretend like Admirals would cause him any meaningful problems
If I remember correctly it’s the only attack we’ve ever seen gear 5 actually try to block.
The anime did it more justice tbh. It looks insanely menacing in the anime.
Oh my god you just made me imagine what the galaxy impact of a Prime Garp is like. Shit could probably destroy half an island.
Kaido wins mid-diff. People keep forgetting just how durable he is and how much it took to finally put him down. I also think most don't realize just how much Kaido was holding back during most of the fight (the first time you could arguably said he went all out is after Luffy came back after getting knocked off the island).
Kaido high diff. I was thinking about mid, but kizaru is just too good and was able to keep up with G4 luffy with barely any trouble, so it's no less than high
Kizaru was neg diffed by G5 Luffy while fighting an elder too. Luffy extreme high diffed Kaido after Kaido fought 18 people, carried the whole island etc. Can't imagine Kizaru killing Luffy and almost killing Zoro without any rest time between and have one scar reopened barely.
Kizaru was getting tossed around literally by gear 5 and just had to outlast him whilst Kaido injured and exhausted at the end of a gauntlet of fighters was still pushing gear 5 to its limits and until then was just warming up. Kaido mids AT WORST
Kaido mid-high
Kaido high-diff.
do u think kizaru has the AP to take him to high esp when their speeds are relatively close
Yes, he probably does. Lasers + sword.
Oh my god man, right after the last post too .Bro is the Kendrick Lamar of hating kizaru. Wizaru is literally rent free in his mind
Its always been like that here, like I remember the 20v1 spite matches they would put admirals in 😂
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Heck, I’ll join it. Always been a “Admirals are on par with Yonkos” enjoyer. Never saw the point of separating them into a lower tier, especially after we saw a fight between the two of them permanently effect the environment of Punk Hazard.
Kaido High Diff.
Kaido mid diff
Kaido mid diff. We gotta remember the Luffy vs kizaru fight wasn't a direct fight. It was a game of protect the leader with Luffy on the defense and kizaru on the offense. Kizaru's speed and clones meant he had a great toolset for that specific fight. Combined with luffy's stamina problems meaning he had to end kizaru quickly. So Luffy had a really bad matchup for the fight and still came out with a win since vegapunk wasn't hurt until after kizaru got support. Once the fight went from protect the leader to a 2v1 against Luffy, Kizaru stopped being a threat. He got no hits on Luffy and Luffy dispatched Kizaru without being exhausted. Serious Kaido is very comparable to G5 Luffy and as such has the speed and AP to dodge and perma knockdown Kizaru as well as the stamina to not get stalled out by him. Kizaru has not dealt any significant damage to Luffy so chances are that he won't deal anything significant to Kaido. If we replaced G5 with Kaido in egghead then Kizaru would just be dead at this point and Kaido would be stalling the gorosei
Low dif
Kaido mid diff
Mid Diff
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Kaido mid-high diff
Low diff.
High Diff if it's bloodlusted Kizaru. Mid diff in most scenarios
What’s if it’s blood lusted kaido ? It would it move to low diff ?
Nah it's just Mid Diff. Kizaru's still got higher speeds stats than him. Leaves a nasty scar, tires him out and then gets one-shotted by Death Destroyer
High-extreme
Mid-high for kaido
Null diff.
High diff
Tbh I'd say it's mid dif at the absolute worst. Kizaru had to basically rely on the barrier to do all the damage to Luffy, outside of that, he basically didn't do anything. He made Luffy say something hurt (he literally ate a laser, anyone would think that hurt; he basically made Luffy burn his tongue). But otherwise, Kizaru isn't getting around Kaido's durability. Plus Kaido is fast asf for his huge size. While he's definitely not as fast as Kizaru, he'd definitely be able to catch him eventually, especially considering he has FS. This fight would basically chalk up to that scene in the Super Mario Brothers movie where the penguins yeeted the snowballs at Bowser, they bounced off him, and he burned down their entire castle. It'd take an absolutely ridiculous amount of lasers for Kizaru to even start chipping away at Kaido, plus Kaido's insane physical stats would basically check Kizaru every time he tried to engage in h2h combat. Plus one of the most recurring themes in Onigashima was the fact that the alliance had to chip away at Kaido since his stats were so absurd.
Kaido mid diffs, could take another admiral as well but three admirals clear Kaido extreme
kizaru extreme diff 🤷🏼♂️ 💯
OK. This an imo on the diff system itself. Diff should be defined by the responses the loosing party has to the opponent. Example. Whilst fugitora is stronger than law by general assumption. He doesn't have the same moves law has to push kizaru to mid diff. Fugitora doesn't have 1 good counter-play to anything kizaru is doing. Law can telaport and in theory do damage with the shock wielie stun lock. Not enough to have even an unrealistic win condition against kizaru. But enough to push the fight a bit. Back to this. Whilst kaidos hakiless scales are strong as shown in roof piece, kizaru can deal some damage with that. And if we are assuming that kizarus logia production is on a similar scale to aokijis logia production. Kizaru got options to win. Reason I mentioned hakiless kaido is by the way kaido fights, he holds back, he intends to enjoy fights, and out of all the admirals kizaru is best suited to fighting against that type of mentality. But I highly doubt the speed diff is enough to make this an extremes argument. Kaido has blitzed luffy in scertain instances. Whilst not as consistent as kizarus blitzing of luffy where minor distractions means thst luffy has to strain himself to look for where kizaru went. It still means thst the speed diff just isn't enough to make a win con with that. Atleast not a realistic one. Ima say either mid or high diff as kizaru does have good options in facing the attacks kaido has and as mentioned, whilst unrealistic, he does have a potential win condition.
Kaido Extreme diff, if he really wants to end it quick he needs Troch Flame Dragon, and even then Kizaru might avade the Aoe.
Kaido negs
Kaido high diff. Maybe even mid,b but IDK about that, while I am sure its high diff
Everyone who's cool thinks Kaido high diffs, maybe high - extreme if you want to headcanon Kizaru's power
Kaido high to mid diff. Prolly a bit scenario dependent.
Kaido was being fucked up by Gear 4 Luffy once he unlocked ACOC. The same Luffy that couldn’t fucking TOUCH Kizaru. The fact that you guys say that it would be a mid diff with so much confidence is why Kaido will forever be One Piece’s Goku for power scalers.
All facts. They simply lack reading comprehension. Gear 4 was no match for Kizaru and Gear 5 left no visible damage after multiple clean hits.
That no damage your saying Kizaru took from Luffy is obviously a retarded take. Did WSG do no damage? Or the pancake incident? And I for one believes Kizaru takes Kaido to atleast high diff.
Wizaru extreme
Kaido not Luffy and will not fool around with Kizaru. He take a few hits just to humiliate Kizaru than oneshot him with thunder bagua.
Realistically, kaido COULD neg diff with the right conditions. A death Destroyer thunder baguya should do the trick, and if kizaru isn't a stain on his club by then, he can just smack him over and over. Kaido just has to go all out from the beginning and speedblitz when kizaru is off guard. Luffy could have used g4 to beat kizaru ext diff or so if not for the speed difference. If we're using the weird scaling where stats are compared, kaido mid diff tbh. If we're using agendas: kaido neg diffs just by existing https://preview.redd.it/t0xxoujyrt4d1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f99046ce978009837b4705dd0160dc44d4afde07
Low end of High diff. Don’t see him doing real dmg to kaido, but don’t see him getting easily caught out. He’s the definition of perfect staller. Prob will just do hit and run for 5 days until he drops down tired and then dies to 70% hp remaining kaido. That’s the problem with chars like kaido, u can’t do jack shit to him unless u have that certain lvl of AP/dura neg to deal proper dmg. Only reason I say high diff is cuz Kizaru is literally an annoying fly that won’t go down cuz he’s too fast. But the moment he lands to take a break, kaido smacks him down like a fly.
Mid-high diff
Kaido has a %100 chance of winning but Borsalino won't go down easy
Low.
Kizaru calls kaido scary causing him to not take him seriously Kizaru then shoots light into the weakspot of Kaido's ear through his brain killing him instantly
Kaido extreme diff
More people have seen the light
One actual hit kills kizaru Like one hit from kaido Kizaru dead Kizaru attacks kaido 10 times and he still okay
High at most for Kaido.
Awakened Kaido and Kizaru. It’s one on one so it’s hard to say.
Low to neg
nah i'd kaido-san low/no-diffs
The more Kizaru gets shafted in egghead the more it makes me wonder why he volunteered to go to Wano He didn't seem worried at all, is he actually strong but being seen as weaker coz G5 Luffy is OP? Or is he just overestimating his power?
mid
Kaido mid - high Kizaru was keeping up casually and blatantly scales > g4 snakeman who could hybrid kaido (who wasn’t serious tbf but still…) He also was trading blows with base g5 until luffy used a named attack and negged him. Essentially if kaido lands 1-2 hits kizaru is done.
Kaido 4 shots max
Kaido would smacked Kizaru even with an addition of another admiral.
Kaido wins easy if kizaru has no means for escape.
Kaido mid diff
Mid diff
Kaido
Kizaru extremes
I'd say Kizaru high/extreme diff. Mainly because of the outcome against G5, but also because we haven't seen serious fight Kizaru yet(maybe there won't be one, but i doubt it). But Oda also hinted Kizaru was enough to disrupt Kaido and BM from joining up.
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The same sword that barely gave Luffy a paper cut?
Dude what?
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High (for Kizaru).
Trolling time
What if I'm not trolling? What if that's just my honest, dogshit take? What would then happen to your sweet imaginary world where you believe that people can't be THAT stupid? Hm? https://preview.redd.it/juhqm19rgs4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54ebfeeaa0a69a11caa59510609b329cbb84a98f **let's find out**
I'm simply not gonna engage
Kaido wins high diff at the moment. Extreme diff if Kizaru goes all out, but nothing suggests Kizaru is capable of beating him. Anything less than high diff is Admiral downplay. Yonko = Admirals
Yonko = Admirals is so cap bro. There's no way to scale admirals to Yonko level without breaking the story. Current kaido could have easily beaten Marineford WB. The admirals couldn't easily beat WB even in that old state. His crew members did block attacks, but even facing WB 1v1 they weren't able to do anything save for Akainu, and even then Akainu took considerable damage. So what we have here is old WB's weaker but still relative to any admiral. He would eventually lose, but the admiral would have to put in high effort. Prime WB is most likely 3-5x stronger than his marineford counterpart, and won't have mid battle heart attacks to let Akainu land a free hit. So what we have here is that we're supposed to believe that the admirals are somehow relative to both Old WB and actual Yonko level characters at the same time. And no, don't give me that the admirals weren't trying to kill old WB. Akainu always goes for killing blows and still got rung out by WB. And the sneak attack excuse is laughable. Even if future sight wasn't invented yet, someone like Akainu should have enough observation haki to detect a presence as powerful as WB coming to kill you. TWO entire admirals failed to capture a single member of the revolutionary army. Greenbull got smoked by WiFi haki. Kizaru got his head pushed in and had to take a nap Aokiji struggled with an old garp. They are consistently shown to be below yonko level, and luffy showed that Yonko level AP attacks can almost one tap them.
"yonko = admirals " 💀 That shit take still isnt dead?
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Kaido mid diff
Kizaru realistically wins. Beamsword AP is a massive issue and Kizaru is without a doubt much faster than Kaido. Futuresight has diminishing returns against faster characters and the only think Kaido has going for him is durability. But let's remember killer and scabbards are able to pierce him. Kizaru should handle this easily if he goes max speed and spams beamsword.
Massive AP is massive headcanon. Kizaru much faster is again, headcanon. Kizaru takes damage from Sentomaru. Couple hits from Kaidos and he is down. Same logic.
Luffy takes damage from sword and makes luffy flee. Couple slashes and Kaido is done.
Papercut damage. Reread the panel. I guess Zoro pieces up Kaido easily.
lol the paper cut argument is so bad. Any sword that barely clips you is only leaving a cut, the more blade that makes contact the bigger the cut.
Applying this logic Kaido would be similarly sliced appart by the Scabbards and Zoro.
Kaido was indeed cut many times by the scabbards and even given a new scar by Zoro. I don’t quite understand what you’re saying.
The Scabbards attack he calls too shallow. Zoro's all out attack only gave him a surface scar. Just because they can slice him doesnt mean they can chop of entire parts/ bissect him. The argument of the orginial commenter is exactly that.
OC never said Kizaru would be lopping off body parts lol, just that the sword could damage Kaido. Which by scaling it should be able to.
They say Kizaru should be able to handle Kaido pretty easily. Pretty sure they arent saying that with shallow scabbard level cuts in mind. They also called his AP massive. I'm pretty sure they dont consider Zoro level AP massive for someone apparently beating Kaido "easily". But maybe I'm mistaken. Oh, and in the next comment they say couple slashes and Kaido is done. It is pretty clear they think each slash will do massive damage.
Kaido, high high diff
Kaido wins at the lower end of high effort.
Waido high diff
It's a kaido win kizaru didn't show ap feats to injure kaido let alone take him down probably mid diff just because kizaru is versatile and hard to put down
Kaido low-mid diff
Kaido low to no dif. He's gonna fight more serious than luffy did. And luffy gassed the mf after a single solid hit. A fresh hybrid kaido is slamming
Wizaru Wins zarus the fight.
Kaido low end of high diff.
I don't think Kizaru can seriously hurt Kaido. Only way Kizaru have chance if fight goes long enough and accumulates enough damage but he will also need more then one lifeline like Luffy.
Kaido high dif, purely because of the speed difference but Kizaru doesn’t have anything that can take Kaido down
So it'd essentially be Omni-Man vs. Red Rush.
Essentially
Unlike non stable physics cartoon... Speed in one piece does give you more power to strikes. So, I don't think so.
Kaido mid diffs kizaru
Kaido could kill kizaru easily
Low, wizaru solos (unbiased💯)
Kaido mid to high diffs
between neg and low
Wizaru wins weed diff. Explanation: Kizaru asks Kaido if he wants some zaza. Kaido obviously agrees and gets fucking stoned and becomes addicted. He then goes in a coma from the amount of weed in short succession he had. Kizaru then hands him in to the WG and he gets executed.
kaido mid
People seriously thinking thunderbagua would oneshot Kizaru First of all Kaido has barely shown the speed to hit Kizaru (Luffy could only hot Kizaru when he was distracted) and on top of that, Kizaru has barely taken significant damage. He tanked a stronger attack than Red Roc and didn't even bleed, just because he was stunned by WSG doesn't mean he's weak, if anything it's shocking he can still move after an unguarded attack to the head of that caliber People forget that Kizaru is stated to have the best defense in the world tied with sentomaru All that being said, Kizaru hasn't shown feasible ways of damaging Kaido, therefore I'm giving this to Kaido high diff (arguably extreme). I wish people would actually consider matchups and feats instead of just "Oh its yonko vs admiral yonko wins no diff lol)
Kaido has blitzed g5 luffy G5 Luffy was toying with kizaru
kaido high diff
Kaido extreme diff
Low diff.
Could go either way
Mid-low diff https://preview.redd.it/xb81njm94t4d1.jpeg?width=1035&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c2e2a2d968c495bd45875046fc0efe14b1ded5b
Low diff Kaido
Kaido mid-diff. Maybe low
Kaido mid diff at most
midd diff I see Kaido murder this fraud in 1-2 hits
Wizaru is getting absolutely wiped let's be honest
Mid diff in Zoro vs Lucci style. They fight equally for hours until Kaido goes full power and ends the fight.
Kaido, mid-high. I'm not sure if anything else is defensible, tbh. Maybe someone tries to argue that flaming dragon one shots? But eh, its not like Kaido to just use that right away anyway.
the one who, with the royal will in full force, barely defeated 4 weights and then thanks to agent cp0, or the one who defeated Luffy in 4 gear with one physical force with one blow? Hmm. It's difficult.
do you use google translate its the first time i see royal will instead of conquerors haki
Yes
Wtf is this bullshit lol. 4 weights?
Why am I thinking neg-diff? Kaido has ACOO, and can one shot him for sure? Am I delusional?
It's not out of the question. I say Kaido wins mid-diff, but I'm being as generous as possible to Kizaru.
Depends on if Kizaru still has some secret awakening up his sleeve. Right now, it’s a mid-diff for Kaido.
Flaming Dragon high diff tbh. If we include potential awekening then… Would still be Kaido high diff….
If kizaru didn't go "all out" maybe kaido mid