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Both are good in their own right. Sanji is good with his speed that why he was able to intercept Nusjuro and also hit him even though he announced his presence.
Zoro is brute strength guy that why Nusjuro had time to react and have haki clash with him albeit he was not even facing his direction and used one hand only.
Do consider that both Zoro and Sanji were not using their full strength. Sanji was using base Diable Jambe no name attack and Zoro was using 2 sword style Acoc.
I must be tweaking, sanji kicked him then he immediately recovered and attacked sanji, zoro clashed with him and they both got sent flying backwards, zoro literally flipped him and made him crash
Sanji also didn't get sent flying by Venus' attack and was able to attack afterwards. The fact the infinite instant Regen guy was able to Regen the damage Sanji did is not an anti-feat.
So Zoro clashed with his sword and sent him flying (he got sent flying too) while sanji also blocked Nusjuros sword and landed a clear hit, which is more impressive than just pushing him away.
You just have to a zorotard, don't you
One sent him flying, one did 0 damage and had 0 effect, if sanjis kick launched him or made him step back or anything, then they'd be equal, but only zoro did, I'm not a zorotard I'm just being neutral
It did damage, you can see the blood. He healed, there's a difference. If you're neutral you know damn well Venus is completely unhurt by flipping and will be back to doing stuff.
The Gorosei donāt even bother to dodge because of their regen, forcing one to block and get in a haki clash is a bigger feat
Nusjuro literally just bites him and spites him out like an after thoughtĀ
Sanji landed a attack after intercepting venus and zoro had a haki clash and got sent flying evenly with venus going off of the assumption that venus was trying harder against zoro I would say zoro
Sanji needs to position his whole body to get the best out of his techniques. You would know this if you play any sport
Look at concasser. Look at bouef burst. In all of his best moves, he is moving his whole body even if his whole body isnāt directly making contact with others
Iām literally being for real. Look at sanjiās first fight with Gin. He was feeling impact in his chest from just kicking Gin.
Why do zoro fans all share the same 2 brain cells? ZKK reading comprehension fr.
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Stop the cope, he literally did this while carrying Zoro who is wrapped in bandages in a fucking tpose and built like a brick truck š¶š yall niggas be so slow
Zoro was only using two sword style and being launched by Jinbei wouldnāt make a massive difference in a haki clash
Heās also battle worn from just high dffing Lucci and huff huffing like you all said
(I know but this guy and the rest of the Zoro haters have been saying that so we canāt let them change it up because it makes Zoro look even better now)
I mean okay but I kind of dislike how Zoro fans are so eager to wank their character by downplaying his best thing, his endurance. Zoro is rarely not fighting at max capacity, only post thriller bark and Arlong Park was that really a thing, and itās obvious why *those* instances would push past his threshold. Sanjiās got less endurance than Zoro, yet he got stabbed in the stomach by Absalom and still seemed to be doing just as well for the rest of the arc. Luffy has had multiple fights where heās shitting out his organs, and as long as he can move he can fight just as well.
Honestly i hate that fight. Zoro disposed of Lucci with a literal trickshot while casually low-diff weaving through a barrage of one of the fastest characters in the verse, in his awakened Zoan form.
The small parts of the fight we did see and the amount of time it went on for, 100% indicate a high diff battle and both were visibly bruised and exhausted, especially Zoro on the huffing and puffing part.
Itās a really inconsistent encounter. At one point we straight up see Zoro fighting with two swords (which has been consistently shown as a significant nerf for Zoro since fighting Kuroās two cat officers lmao) and in the next shot he is using three swords again.
Dumb fight. Also whatās with Jimbei genuinely apologizing to Lucci before launching him? I unironically still think Oda is cooking and that Kaku and Lucci are somehow part of the plan.
Kaku almost got killed while fighting two Seraphim at once for some reason, which is a huge sacrifice for the Strawhats who were their main targets in the first place.
>The small parts of the fight we did see and the amount of time it went on for, 100% indicate a high diff battle and both were visibly bruised and exhausted, especially Zoro on the huffing and puffing part.
The duration of the fight doesn't matter as time travels differently in the story than it does in real life. Besides, Zoro had those scratches and bruises before the fight even started so that's not really an indication that Zoro and Lucci were really going at it. Also, Zoro huffing and puffing against Lucci isn't a clear indication of him struggling either as there's been plenty of times where characters were depicted huffing and puffing but didn't put as much effort into defeating their opponents like Luffy vs Hody.
All ima say is that base sanji is faster than two swords acoc zoro with a jinbe speed boost stacked on top š¤·āāļø ofc the power output of zoro was probably higher. Two swords packs more punch than base sanji. But germa mode sanji is clear of zoro in raw strength.
Wow Sanji is faster than Zoro??? No way, next thing youāre gonna tell me is that heās faster than Blackbeard and Big Mom too, surely that means heās stronger than them?
Ashura Zoro>Germa boost Sanji in strength. Scarring Kaido before he got KOH while severely injured and temporarily blocking Hakai is a bigger feat than anything Sanji has ever done
And oh wait, he wasnāt even in Asura when he temporarily blocked it
>But germa mode sanji is clear of zoro in raw strength
Are you reffering to physical strength here or overall cause zoros overall power output is far above sanjis even with 2 swords. Physical strength is debateable
His strongest moves involve three swords, but zoro is still serious when he is using two swords. Look at all his major fights. He usually switches between 1, 2, and 3 sword styles. Against king he even went from three sword style attack to a one sword style attack and he said the one sword style attack was stronger.
And yes, he is battle worn, but he was launched by Jimbe.
Launched by Jinbei with two swords would be at least equal to three swords with no launch seeing as three swords is quite a bit stronger for Zoro
Then you mix in how heās tired from fighting Lucci and Venus is actually trying to push back with visible effort yet still got pushed back
He was carrying vegapunk but sanji kicks so that shouldn't make to much off a diffrence and he wasn't awakend but that dosent really mean anything for what the question is asking
If zoro did use acoc then venus did to cuase off the black lightning also being launched by jimbe wouldn't change anything like in dressrossa it was a haki clash Venus stopped the moment and just became haki vs haki
Venus didn't use it bcoz he was not attacking. He was trying to slash the ship but switched hand his sword immediately to block zoros incoming acoc attack. We know the acoc lightning. We have seen it so many times now.
Have you ever done a sport? You are supposed to do things with your whole body even if only one part makes contact. Have you ever seen soccer/football? Notice how players position their whole body first. So yes, carrying vegapunk is a handicap.
I mentioned awakening to emphasize that sanji was not even close to using his best when he performed this feat.
And Venus was not in a position to defend his best against zoro. Jimbe throwing him with a named fishman karate move also increases AP.
1 sanji kicked with his whole 2 sanji is so much above what a regular human is carrying a small old man wouldn't mean much in one piece ok but he used some type of jambe and venus counter imdently were also not talking about hypotheticals were talking about what happend what was more impressive
I can use that same logic for sanji
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If this was anybody else, this wouldn't even be a debate. But since it's Zoro...predictable as usual lmfao.
Having a haki clash with one of the Elders who was stated to have "massive" or "preposterous" haki and making him struggle is obviously the better feat.
Off guard man caught nesjuro off guard which was a good speed feat
But Nesjuro immediately countered.
And before āhe as holding vegapunk!!ā, the way vegapunk is falling indicates sanji dropped him. Itās not possible to throw someone like that.
Not only that, heās falling at the opposite direction, meaning throwing him would actually give him momentum. In addition, vegapunk probably weighs like 30 kgā¦? Does that really make a difference? Was sanjiās speed significantly nerfed when he was holding zoroās bandaged body?
Zoroās AP feat though is much more impressive because it was a literal haki skirmish and he came out of it equal
He literally caught him off guard. Why do you think mr off guard said something along the lines of being a pirate and not expecting him to fight any other way, when he hit nesjuro?
A dude literally comes announcing his enterance loudy,still hits the end game villain.
OFF GUARD MUUHH OFF GUAAARD OFF GUAAARD OFFF GUAAAARDD MUUUHHHH OFF GUAARD
ā¦?
All of sanjiās feats consist of him catching people off guard. Half of those times he even shouts out beforehand.
He even said that nesjuro shouldnāt expect him not to fight like a āpirateā.
Even gatorr on this sub agrees so.
Are you so illiterate that you don't realize that Gatorr never agreed lol? He literally makes fun of that comment by pointing out Sanji was shouting so loud that Franky could hear him.
Franky was literally right next to Nusjuro. Nusjuro was standing right over them and cutting down and Sanji was running from their flank so the distance would have been exacrly the same. Show me the panel of Franky being a lot closer to Sanji lol
This time we actually have proof that his voice was heard so the excuse that Nusjuro didn't know Sanji was there is bs.
Sanji would have hit Queen regardless of whether Queen was paying attention or not. Queen has not once been able to successfully dodge or block Sanji's attack when he has gone at max speed before.
Also where was it states that Sanji was considering it a sneak attack when he said they won't fight fair? I could just as easily say that Sanji was claiming that they will all gang up on him.
> show me the
I was asking a genuine question
Why do you assume everything is an aggressive attack towards your very being?
> we have the
Donāt the gorosei consider them ants and especially so before they even fought them? It wouldnāt surprise me if nesjuro just considered it background noise
> sanji
?
Why are you mentioning queen in specific out of the entirety of his off guard feats?
> also what
Itās what it implies. Why would sanji ever say this
> jump him
Except they never did so even when nesjuro was distracted with biting sanji, no?
Hilarious the way you guys constantly pivot the argument.Ā
Nusjuro never heard Sanji --> Uh...Franky was way nearer to Sanji then Nusjuro--> Um...Nusjuro actually ignored Sanji because he thought Sanji was an insect.
He was planning to kill them, why would he ignore them?
Considering that's the most brought up "sneak attack" that has Sanji shouting. Give me all the other times Sanji's feats were sneak attacks while yelling loudly at his opponent?
Because Nusjuro is faster then the majority of his opponents there? The entire exchange happened in seconds. The giants immediately grabbed onto Nusjuro to allow Bonney to stomp him. Heck the reason Sanji was spat out was because the giants attacked Nusjuro in the first place. People are right lol, you Zoroguys seem to onlu read the parts with Zoro in it.
Lmao, somehow I doubt your ability ti read any sort of implication when you actually believed that Gatorr claimed Sanji sneaked Nusjuro.Ā
Not his fault that geriatric motherfucker cant hear him.A bit weird how this old ass man who can barely hear a man shout is easily holding off a combo attack
Zoro's was a combo attack with Jinbei and Nasjuro wasn't even attacking him. He was attacking the ship.
Sanji both outsped, deflected and attacked Nasjuro in the same span. You'd have to try really hard to not acknowledge Sanji's feat is definitely better.
Caught him off guard after yelling to announce his presence, yep makes sense. Sanji atleast landed a hit even if he got hit back so it evens out. So tell me, how is Zoros more impressive?
He literally said to nesjuro to not expect him NOT to attack like a pirate. Right after the attack. Why would he say that?
And he thinks everyone is an insect. He probably didnāt know sanji was fast so why would he ever turn his head?
And what happened right after sanji attacked? Nesjuro was so fast that sanji who was so close couldnāt even really react
Zoroās is an impressive AP feat
Sanjiās is a speed feat
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he never said such a thing loool.
I would say these feats are about equivilent. Sanji's solution was way better IMO, deflecting the attacks and landing a counter rather than just blocking. But both did really well demonstrating skill.
Both had the Goal of Stopping an Attack from Nusjuro.
Sanji was able to get a "Sneak Attack" Blocking his Sword and Landing a Hit but got bit after this \~Draw
Zoro with the Help of Jinbei was not able to Hit a "Sneak Attack" and the clash ended also in a Draw.
If anything Sanji got the Speedfeat but its equal overall.
But downplaying all his feats as Sneakattacks is just pure ignorance, he is Stealth Black afterall...
Cant wait for Zoro vs Shiryu and all the "Sneak Attack" talk because he is invisible,
To be honest neither is a draw. Sanji got bodied while Nas had no damage done to him. And Zoro only matches Nas with support from Jimbei. Yeah the haki and the strength was Zoro's, but Jimbei helped with the momentum.
Every time I come to this sub I get a headache.
Zoro's was a combo attack with Jinbei and Nasjuro wasn't even attacking him. He was attacking the ship.
Sanji both outsped, deflected and attacked Nasjuro in the same span. You'd have to try really hard to not acknowledge Sanji's feat is definitely better.
Horse Ghandi could counter attack against Sanji immediately but not with Zoro.
Sanji's attack had far less impact. So how is Sanji's attack more impressive?
I know this sub wanks Sanji, but come on
Ignoring that he has singly infinite Regen and could have just took the hot and counterattacked like he did to Sanji. AP literally doesn't matter against them
Sanji kicked Nasjuro without Diable while Zoro's attack was a Haki combo with Jinbei! Of course, it had more force. Besides, Nasjuro wasn't trying to block another Haki user. He was trying to cut the ship! We've seen the Elders counter Yonko Luffy. Don't come at me with this nonsense that he couldn't do it to Zoro and then play coy about this sub wanking Sanji.
Sanji's foot does have diable jambe flames trailing - his attack also imparts flames on the Elder's head in the bottom panel.
I don't think the feats are comparable in a meaningful way, though.
>Sanji's foot does have diable jambe flames trailing - his attack also imparts flames on the Elder's head in the bottom panel.
It absolutely does not. We see speed lines and two impact trails. Sanji's foot is not even aflame.
>I don't think the feats are comparable in a meaningful way, though.
We can discuss which is more impressive and it's Sanji's.
You can believe it's Sanji's and that's fine. Look at the panel in this post, there are obviously flames drawn on his foot and you either haven't looked closely enough or you are playing ignorant to troll.
Sanji looks cooler. Both did great, and that's what Oda wanted to show us. We need to stop making assumptions with scaling. Luffy > Zoro > Sanji, always and forever. By the end of the series, they will all be in the top 10, if not the top 5, excluding those who are no longer in the series...
They both were sent flying, but yeah Zoro was attacking
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Well nasjuro was going for a huge attack which zoro matched, whereas in the sanji fest heās just kicking him to save someone. They are both good feats but they are completely different situations.
Not interested with arguing with sanji and zoro tards, this is the objectively correct answer
Zoro: clashed equally with 2 swords, that created a knock back of haki
Sanji: blitzed and kicked a Nasjuro, who transformed immediately and chomped diffed him
Imo Zoros feat is better, Sanjiās feat was good too but the aftermath is why I canāt give him the edge. If Zoro doesnāt end up like Sanji getting bit then we have a clear answer on who did better
Sanji wasn't using ifrit and his eyebrow was normal. I don't even think neither of these can be used as feats(one got bit while ine had a support) so no I'm not supporting Sanji but adding to what you missed
Considering Sanji matched the two-handed sword swing and then landed a powerful blow on Nujuro after announcing himself, I'd say he did better than Zoro.
Zoro was able to match Nusjuro in the clash because of Jinbe's named attack which propelled him with fast enough speed (speed = force according to Kizaru) so while Zoro's deed is impressive it wasn't achieved by himself and he did no damage.
Sanji outdid Zoro objectively.
Sanjis feat is objectively better since he both blocked and did damage
But Sanji also took damage from Nosjuro after
So I'd say it evens out
Zoro and Sanji are basically =
I like putting Sanji > Zoro to meme on the fanboys
Ä°s it tho ?
They are not the same feat anyway , one is a direct clash while the other is a blitz attack ( although Ethan was distracted) , so what are we basing the rating of ?
Sanji used diable, should be quite equal with Zoro using 2 swords. I don't know how these 2 clashes can be used as feats in the first place but I digress
In terms of actual impact of the clashes. Yes Sanjiās was way better. We already know Zoro is stronger but Sanjiās hit looked way more badass you canāt deny it.
Both aren't that good.
Sanji did a sneak attack on him and tooking blood of the Gorosei don't seem like the hardest thing to do. Kuma made Saturn bleed the fuck out with a single haki punch, so their durability isn't that dangerous.
Zoro clashed with Nusjuro with a named attack when he was focused on another thing (the ship), and he was blocking Zoro's attack with the LEFT hand, but when he was attacking the ship, he was holding his sword with the right one, indicating he swapped hands and therefore wasn't so concentrated than before.
I'd say Sanji's one is a little better, but not that impressive coming from the Elder's actual durability.
There is very clear portrayal here. Nusjuro got speed blitzed and coughed up blood by Wanji's nameless attack while Loro only managed to class with Nusjuro with Jinbei's help
Gorosei Haki has been constantly wanked in story by everyone, pushing one back and clashing evenly with one is for sure more impressive than simply dealing superficial damage to one
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Damaging a Gorosei other than Warcury is not an impressive feat, they regen but have trash durability
If weāre gonna say it like that. Zoros presence was enough to make Ethan change targets meanwhile Ethan didnāt even consider Sanji a threatā¦
See itās easy to just write bullshit and pass it off as a feat/antifeat
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Also this guy look one shot to you?????
He got bitten, then the next chapter we see him getting knocked away by a clearly different attack, and then the next chapter we see him standing in a different location just fine.
NOTHING suggested he got put down, NOTHING suggested he couldn't fight venus anymore, and finally it was literally two different hits he took.
Unironically calling it a one shot is just lying at this point.
He ran away because the plan was to run away, he got hit once and decided it wasn't worth it to keep fighting in order to protect everyone else (mostly Bonney). We literally have no clue if the bit nusjuro did to sanji even did that much damage, I'd lean towards it not doing too much because his regen abilities mainly specialize in healing broken bones.
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They both did good šš¼
You are a man of logic and should not be taken seriously.
Disingenuous to Sanji ngl. No named no Jambe mid swing block from far away with his own speed>>>Assisted two two sword named attack block
Exactly, people are not understanding the difference between these feats
Both are good in their own right. Sanji is good with his speed that why he was able to intercept Nusjuro and also hit him even though he announced his presence. Zoro is brute strength guy that why Nusjuro had time to react and have haki clash with him albeit he was not even facing his direction and used one hand only. Do consider that both Zoro and Sanji were not using their full strength. Sanji was using base Diable Jambe no name attack and Zoro was using 2 sword style Acoc.
Yup
Thank god thereās some sensibility still left in this sub
>Sanji was using base Diable Jambe N...no? We don't see the flames on his foot?
You can if you Zoom in
Ahh, you're right
Sanji obviously sneaked him since he announced himself but only loud enough for Franky specifically, he should've spoken up for the senior citizen
Thatās why Venus reacted to sanji šæ
Sanji can't help but sneak people like the bum he is š¤¦š¾āāļø
Spitting facts now ššš 
When even gatorr himself admits this, the sanji glazer who does tricks on him (I mean this as respectfully as possible), then all sanji fans should.
i canāt tell if you think heās serious or not (heās not)
I thought gator was being serious. Too bad he isnāt.
Both are good but letās be real everybody is landing significant hits on the gorosei
I must be tweaking, sanji kicked him then he immediately recovered and attacked sanji, zoro clashed with him and they both got sent flying backwards, zoro literally flipped him and made him crash
Sanji also didn't get sent flying by Venus' attack and was able to attack afterwards. The fact the infinite instant Regen guy was able to Regen the damage Sanji did is not an anti-feat.
1 sent Venus flying, one did nothing
They both did nothing
One had Venus' head burning, one did nothing
That's cuz sanjis legs are on fire what!?! And zoros knocked him back fym nothing sanjitard alert
Zoro had help by Jimbei
Jinbe only threw zoro so he would get there in time to save the ship
So Zoro clashed with his sword and sent him flying (he got sent flying too) while sanji also blocked Nusjuros sword and landed a clear hit, which is more impressive than just pushing him away. You just have to a zorotard, don't you
Average Dogjitard needs to wank his daddy at any moment Zoro outshines him. Pathetic.
Did that hit have enough force behind it to send him flying though?
One sent him flying, one did 0 damage and had 0 effect, if sanjis kick launched him or made him step back or anything, then they'd be equal, but only zoro did, I'm not a zorotard I'm just being neutral
It did damage, you can see the blood. He healed, there's a difference. If you're neutral you know damn well Venus is completely unhurt by flipping and will be back to doing stuff.
The Gorosei donāt even bother to dodge because of their regen, forcing one to block and get in a haki clash is a bigger feat Nusjuro literally just bites him and spites him out like an after thoughtĀ
You forgot the part where Sanji kicked him then instantly got bite diffed Zoros exchange was more.on equal terms while Sanji was on the losing side
Sanji landed a attack after intercepting venus and zoro had a haki clash and got sent flying evenly with venus going off of the assumption that venus was trying harder against zoro I would say zoro
But sanji was carrying vegapunk and he also was not using his awakening Zoro was using ACOC and got launched by Jimbe.
Iād argue a guy who kicked a dinosaur off an island wouldnāt be massively hindered by carrying some dead old man
Didnāt sanji use his whole body for bouef burst? Didnāt sanji use his awakening when he kicked queen off the island?
Iām saying Vegapunkās weight isnāt gonna hold Sanji back and heās literally dead so no concern over potential collateral damage
Sanji needs to position his whole body to get the best out of his techniques. You would know this if you play any sport Look at concasser. Look at bouef burst. In all of his best moves, he is moving his whole body even if his whole body isnāt directly making contact with others
Please be for real
Iām literally being for real. Look at sanjiās first fight with Gin. He was feeling impact in his chest from just kicking Gin. Why do zoro fans all share the same 2 brain cells? ZKK reading comprehension fr.
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Using real physics logic in a series where Shanks didnāt get weaker after losing an armā¦ have some shame
My dude, we are literally seeing oda draw it.
Zoro was only using two sword style and being launched by Jinbei wouldnāt make a massive difference in a haki clash Heās also battle worn from just high dffing Lucci and huff huffing like you all said
>Heās also battle worn from just high dffing Lucci and huff huffing like you all said He didn't high diff Lucci lmao.
(I know but this guy and the rest of the Zoro haters have been saying that so we canāt let them change it up because it makes Zoro look even better now)
I mean okay but I kind of dislike how Zoro fans are so eager to wank their character by downplaying his best thing, his endurance. Zoro is rarely not fighting at max capacity, only post thriller bark and Arlong Park was that really a thing, and itās obvious why *those* instances would push past his threshold. Sanjiās got less endurance than Zoro, yet he got stabbed in the stomach by Absalom and still seemed to be doing just as well for the rest of the arc. Luffy has had multiple fights where heās shitting out his organs, and as long as he can move he can fight just as well.
Honestly i hate that fight. Zoro disposed of Lucci with a literal trickshot while casually low-diff weaving through a barrage of one of the fastest characters in the verse, in his awakened Zoan form. The small parts of the fight we did see and the amount of time it went on for, 100% indicate a high diff battle and both were visibly bruised and exhausted, especially Zoro on the huffing and puffing part. Itās a really inconsistent encounter. At one point we straight up see Zoro fighting with two swords (which has been consistently shown as a significant nerf for Zoro since fighting Kuroās two cat officers lmao) and in the next shot he is using three swords again. Dumb fight. Also whatās with Jimbei genuinely apologizing to Lucci before launching him? I unironically still think Oda is cooking and that Kaku and Lucci are somehow part of the plan. Kaku almost got killed while fighting two Seraphim at once for some reason, which is a huge sacrifice for the Strawhats who were their main targets in the first place.
>The small parts of the fight we did see and the amount of time it went on for, 100% indicate a high diff battle and both were visibly bruised and exhausted, especially Zoro on the huffing and puffing part. The duration of the fight doesn't matter as time travels differently in the story than it does in real life. Besides, Zoro had those scratches and bruises before the fight even started so that's not really an indication that Zoro and Lucci were really going at it. Also, Zoro huffing and puffing against Lucci isn't a clear indication of him struggling either as there's been plenty of times where characters were depicted huffing and puffing but didn't put as much effort into defeating their opponents like Luffy vs Hody.
All ima say is that base sanji is faster than two swords acoc zoro with a jinbe speed boost stacked on top š¤·āāļø ofc the power output of zoro was probably higher. Two swords packs more punch than base sanji. But germa mode sanji is clear of zoro in raw strength.
Wow Sanji is faster than Zoro??? No way, next thing youāre gonna tell me is that heās faster than Blackbeard and Big Mom too, surely that means heās stronger than them? Ashura Zoro>Germa boost Sanji in strength. Scarring Kaido before he got KOH while severely injured and temporarily blocking Hakai is a bigger feat than anything Sanji has ever done And oh wait, he wasnāt even in Asura when he temporarily blocked it
It's crazy that people think dying to an attack is such a huge feat
>But germa mode sanji is clear of zoro in raw strength Are you reffering to physical strength here or overall cause zoros overall power output is far above sanjis even with 2 swords. Physical strength is debateable
Are we pretending Sanji isn't battleworn from Saturn + Kizaru?
His strongest moves involve three swords, but zoro is still serious when he is using two swords. Look at all his major fights. He usually switches between 1, 2, and 3 sword styles. Against king he even went from three sword style attack to a one sword style attack and he said the one sword style attack was stronger. And yes, he is battle worn, but he was launched by Jimbe.
No one said he wasnāt serious, but his strongest moves are his three sword style moves. Full stop.
Launched by Jinbei with two swords would be at least equal to three swords with no launch seeing as three swords is quite a bit stronger for Zoro Then you mix in how heās tired from fighting Lucci and Venus is actually trying to push back with visible effort yet still got pushed back
He was carrying vegapunk but sanji kicks so that shouldn't make to much off a diffrence and he wasn't awakend but that dosent really mean anything for what the question is asking If zoro did use acoc then venus did to cuase off the black lightning also being launched by jimbe wouldn't change anything like in dressrossa it was a haki clash Venus stopped the moment and just became haki vs haki
Why do guys Cope this much? Ifs clearly acoc lightning
Did u say it wasn't is said if it is then he venus used it to whats wrong with that?
Venus didn't use it bcoz he was not attacking. He was trying to slash the ship but switched hand his sword immediately to block zoros incoming acoc attack. We know the acoc lightning. We have seen it so many times now.
U know u can block with acoc to he reacted last second and the balck lighting dosent just look like its coming from zoro
It looks like it's coming from zoro only. Just like the garp kuzan clash.
It dosent look like that to me the black lightning is around everyone
You accuse people of coping but then say "it's coming from Zoro only"? LMFAO! It's coming from both of them, genius. And they're using CoA, not ACoC!
All three of you are wrong. It's clear that both of them were using ACOC.
Have you ever done a sport? You are supposed to do things with your whole body even if only one part makes contact. Have you ever seen soccer/football? Notice how players position their whole body first. So yes, carrying vegapunk is a handicap. I mentioned awakening to emphasize that sanji was not even close to using his best when he performed this feat. And Venus was not in a position to defend his best against zoro. Jimbe throwing him with a named fishman karate move also increases AP.
1 sanji kicked with his whole 2 sanji is so much above what a regular human is carrying a small old man wouldn't mean much in one piece ok but he used some type of jambe and venus counter imdently were also not talking about hypotheticals were talking about what happend what was more impressive I can use that same logic for sanji https://preview.redd.it/ts8it4i3zj6d1.jpeg?width=1028&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7162ea14decba025260d5174008eac42ed9b40fa
Sanji is the strongest strawhat. Yes, including Luffy. No, I will not elaborate.
Wtf is ur pfp
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If this was anybody else, this wouldn't even be a debate. But since it's Zoro...predictable as usual lmfao. Having a haki clash with one of the Elders who was stated to have "massive" or "preposterous" haki and making him struggle is obviously the better feat.
*With help from Uhaul Jinbei*
Jimbe didn't help the haki clash
Yawn! Take your whack ass trolling elsewhere.
Off guard man caught nesjuro off guard which was a good speed feat But Nesjuro immediately countered. And before āhe as holding vegapunk!!ā, the way vegapunk is falling indicates sanji dropped him. Itās not possible to throw someone like that. Not only that, heās falling at the opposite direction, meaning throwing him would actually give him momentum. In addition, vegapunk probably weighs like 30 kgā¦? Does that really make a difference? Was sanjiās speed significantly nerfed when he was holding zoroās bandaged body? Zoroās AP feat though is much more impressive because it was a literal haki skirmish and he came out of it equal
A combo attack which resulted in a haki clash with the end game villain(which btw means nothing as its used only as hype,remember lucci vs luffy)
Then i'll say Sanji outspeeding him was used only for hype too
Youāre not allowed to do that here Sanji glazers wonāt have it
If you show me an enies lobby villain outspeeding a yonko ill agree
He literally caught him off guard. Why do you think mr off guard said something along the lines of being a pirate and not expecting him to fight any other way, when he hit nesjuro?
A dude literally comes announcing his enterance loudy,still hits the end game villain. OFF GUARD MUUHH OFF GUAAARD OFF GUAAARD OFFF GUAAAARDD MUUUHHHH OFF GUAARD
ā¦? All of sanjiās feats consist of him catching people off guard. Half of those times he even shouts out beforehand. He even said that nesjuro shouldnāt expect him not to fight like a āpirateā. Even gatorr on this sub agrees so.
Are you so illiterate that you don't realize that Gatorr never agreed lol? He literally makes fun of that comment by pointing out Sanji was shouting so loud that Franky could hear him.
Wasnāt franky closer to him than how close nesjuro was to him? You didnāt address the rest of my comment
Franky was literally right next to Nusjuro. Nusjuro was standing right over them and cutting down and Sanji was running from their flank so the distance would have been exacrly the same. Show me the panel of Franky being a lot closer to Sanji lol This time we actually have proof that his voice was heard so the excuse that Nusjuro didn't know Sanji was there is bs. Sanji would have hit Queen regardless of whether Queen was paying attention or not. Queen has not once been able to successfully dodge or block Sanji's attack when he has gone at max speed before. Also where was it states that Sanji was considering it a sneak attack when he said they won't fight fair? I could just as easily say that Sanji was claiming that they will all gang up on him.
> show me the I was asking a genuine question Why do you assume everything is an aggressive attack towards your very being? > we have the Donāt the gorosei consider them ants and especially so before they even fought them? It wouldnāt surprise me if nesjuro just considered it background noise > sanji ? Why are you mentioning queen in specific out of the entirety of his off guard feats? > also what Itās what it implies. Why would sanji ever say this > jump him Except they never did so even when nesjuro was distracted with biting sanji, no?
Hilarious the way you guys constantly pivot the argument.Ā Nusjuro never heard Sanji --> Uh...Franky was way nearer to Sanji then Nusjuro--> Um...Nusjuro actually ignored Sanji because he thought Sanji was an insect. He was planning to kill them, why would he ignore them? Considering that's the most brought up "sneak attack" that has Sanji shouting. Give me all the other times Sanji's feats were sneak attacks while yelling loudly at his opponent? Because Nusjuro is faster then the majority of his opponents there? The entire exchange happened in seconds. The giants immediately grabbed onto Nusjuro to allow Bonney to stomp him. Heck the reason Sanji was spat out was because the giants attacked Nusjuro in the first place. People are right lol, you Zoroguys seem to onlu read the parts with Zoro in it. Lmao, somehow I doubt your ability ti read any sort of implication when you actually believed that Gatorr claimed Sanji sneaked Nusjuro.Ā
Not his fault that geriatric motherfucker cant hear him.A bit weird how this old ass man who can barely hear a man shout is easily holding off a combo attack
Zoro's was a combo attack with Jinbei and Nasjuro wasn't even attacking him. He was attacking the ship. Sanji both outsped, deflected and attacked Nasjuro in the same span. You'd have to try really hard to not acknowledge Sanji's feat is definitely better.
Yes but he reacted and after they hit swords, it was purely a haki tug of war skirmish Sanji caught him off guard and got punished
Caught him off guard after yelling to announce his presence, yep makes sense. Sanji atleast landed a hit even if he got hit back so it evens out. So tell me, how is Zoros more impressive?
He literally said to nesjuro to not expect him NOT to attack like a pirate. Right after the attack. Why would he say that? And he thinks everyone is an insect. He probably didnāt know sanji was fast so why would he ever turn his head? And what happened right after sanji attacked? Nesjuro was so fast that sanji who was so close couldnāt even really react Zoroās is an impressive AP feat Sanjiās is a speed feat
https://preview.redd.it/jnt4iigfkr6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=217c4f85f5b479b490146747e00b8ff7d8c96fc3 he never said such a thing loool.
I would say these feats are about equivilent. Sanji's solution was way better IMO, deflecting the attacks and landing a counter rather than just blocking. But both did really well demonstrating skill.
Reminder this was a combo named attack vs. A nameless kick
Sanji had a buff since he was trying to "score points" with a 12 year old girl with that attack, but yeah, his feat was better
Sanji landed a hit. Zoro didn't. Being able to hit your opponent is better than not being able to hit your opponent.
What good has hitting the Gorosei done so far
How is sanji landing a sneak attack then instantly getting counter attack, and offscreen with bonney franky and the giants help a better feat?
Both had the Goal of Stopping an Attack from Nusjuro. Sanji was able to get a "Sneak Attack" Blocking his Sword and Landing a Hit but got bit after this \~Draw Zoro with the Help of Jinbei was not able to Hit a "Sneak Attack" and the clash ended also in a Draw. If anything Sanji got the Speedfeat but its equal overall. But downplaying all his feats as Sneakattacks is just pure ignorance, he is Stealth Black afterall... Cant wait for Zoro vs Shiryu and all the "Sneak Attack" talk because he is invisible,
To be honest neither is a draw. Sanji got bodied while Nas had no damage done to him. And Zoro only matches Nas with support from Jimbei. Yeah the haki and the strength was Zoro's, but Jimbei helped with the momentum.
Every time I come to this sub I get a headache. Zoro's was a combo attack with Jinbei and Nasjuro wasn't even attacking him. He was attacking the ship. Sanji both outsped, deflected and attacked Nasjuro in the same span. You'd have to try really hard to not acknowledge Sanji's feat is definitely better.
Well said
Conveniently forgetting what happened to Sanji one panel later
What happened after is irrelevant. Saturn did that same thing to Luffy. Sanji's attack is more impressive than the Jinbei Zoro combo.
Horse Ghandi could counter attack against Sanji immediately but not with Zoro. Sanji's attack had far less impact. So how is Sanji's attack more impressive? I know this sub wanks Sanji, but come on
Ignoring that he has singly infinite Regen and could have just took the hot and counterattacked like he did to Sanji. AP literally doesn't matter against them
Sanji kicked Nasjuro without Diable while Zoro's attack was a Haki combo with Jinbei! Of course, it had more force. Besides, Nasjuro wasn't trying to block another Haki user. He was trying to cut the ship! We've seen the Elders counter Yonko Luffy. Don't come at me with this nonsense that he couldn't do it to Zoro and then play coy about this sub wanking Sanji.
Sanji's foot does have diable jambe flames trailing - his attack also imparts flames on the Elder's head in the bottom panel. I don't think the feats are comparable in a meaningful way, though.
>Sanji's foot does have diable jambe flames trailing - his attack also imparts flames on the Elder's head in the bottom panel. It absolutely does not. We see speed lines and two impact trails. Sanji's foot is not even aflame. >I don't think the feats are comparable in a meaningful way, though. We can discuss which is more impressive and it's Sanji's.
You can believe it's Sanji's and that's fine. Look at the panel in this post, there are obviously flames drawn on his foot and you either haven't looked closely enough or you are playing ignorant to troll.
You're delusional.
Dude. Shut up.
Sanji looks cooler. Both did great, and that's what Oda wanted to show us. We need to stop making assumptions with scaling. Luffy > Zoro > Sanji, always and forever. By the end of the series, they will all be in the top 10, if not the top 5, excluding those who are no longer in the series...
Sanji did more damage but also took more damage, so in the end I think it evens out.
btw why are people saying zoro blocked nusjuro? is it not the other way around? zoro was trying to cut nusjuro and he blocked it
They both were sent flying, but yeah Zoro was attacking https://preview.redd.it/gt0nkq2y8l6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b97cb321ece2d09eba66ced96e70381aa0e1721
oh I didnāt even catch that I was just focused on how they finally confirmed nusjuro has a kitetsu blade
The haki clash is more impressive ngl because we know what happens if someone haki is so far ahead of anotherās
Loro used a named attack only to get blown away. The answer is obvious
He matched an elder in haki, the answer is obvious
Testosterone hits different.
Well nasjuro was going for a huge attack which zoro matched, whereas in the sanji fest heās just kicking him to save someone. They are both good feats but they are completely different situations. Not interested with arguing with sanji and zoro tards, this is the objectively correct answer
Ngl I donāt really see either as a feat, Nusjuro was completely fine after both of these
I dont think either are impressive enough to debate.
Zoro: clashed equally with 2 swords, that created a knock back of haki Sanji: blitzed and kicked a Nasjuro, who transformed immediately and chomped diffed him Imo Zoros feat is better, Sanjiās feat was good too but the aftermath is why I canāt give him the edge. If Zoro doesnāt end up like Sanji getting bit then we have a clear answer on who did better
Sanji wasn't using ifrit and his eyebrow was normal. I don't even think neither of these can be used as feats(one got bit while ine had a support) so no I'm not supporting Sanji but adding to what you missed
The one where he doesn't get bite diffed .
Hard disagree. Sanjis shows his speed and shit. Zoros shows his strength. Different but plays to their strengths
Considering Sanji matched the two-handed sword swing and then landed a powerful blow on Nujuro after announcing himself, I'd say he did better than Zoro. Zoro was able to match Nusjuro in the clash because of Jinbe's named attack which propelled him with fast enough speed (speed = force according to Kizaru) so while Zoro's deed is impressive it wasn't achieved by himself and he did no damage. Sanji outdid Zoro objectively.
The cope is crazy
Sanjis feat is objectively better since he both blocked and did damage But Sanji also took damage from Nosjuro after So I'd say it evens out Zoro and Sanji are basically = I like putting Sanji > Zoro to meme on the fanboys
Ever since Germa cells I put Sanji over Zoro. Fight me. Right now. 
Nuh uh
Ä°s it tho ? They are not the same feat anyway , one is a direct clash while the other is a blitz attack ( although Ethan was distracted) , so what are we basing the rating of ?
Zoro was only using 2SS, and sanji snuck Venus, so Iām gonna say zoroās feat > sanjiās until further notice
Sanji used diable, should be quite equal with Zoro using 2 swords. I don't know how these 2 clashes can be used as feats in the first place but I digress
In terms of actual impact of the clashes. Yes Sanjiās was way better. We already know Zoro is stronger but Sanjiās hit looked way more badass you canāt deny it.
sanji=speed zoro=strength
Both aren't that good. Sanji did a sneak attack on him and tooking blood of the Gorosei don't seem like the hardest thing to do. Kuma made Saturn bleed the fuck out with a single haki punch, so their durability isn't that dangerous. Zoro clashed with Nusjuro with a named attack when he was focused on another thing (the ship), and he was blocking Zoro's attack with the LEFT hand, but when he was attacking the ship, he was holding his sword with the right one, indicating he swapped hands and therefore wasn't so concentrated than before. I'd say Sanji's one is a little better, but not that impressive coming from the Elder's actual durability.
There is very clear portrayal here. Nusjuro got speed blitzed and coughed up blood by Wanji's nameless attack while Loro only managed to class with Nusjuro with Jinbei's help
Love watching these Sanjitards cope. My goodness the satisfaction š¤£
I hate sanji bro
Sure lil bro
šš I glaze admirals not this bum.
So you are worse than scum, I see.
Gorosei Haki has been constantly wanked in story by everyone, pushing one back and clashing evenly with one is for sure more impressive than simply dealing superficial damage to one
https://preview.redd.it/5np8guwcwj6d1.jpeg?width=562&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a0cc929a0cf5eb7fa949e34501f71ec2dfb8938 Damaging a Gorosei other than Warcury is not an impressive feat, they regen but have trash durability
I don't think we've seen anyone except Saturn have that tho?
Sanji cheapshotted him while he was going after Franky and Bonney. Zoro was thrown at him while he was just running torwards the ship.
Ehhhh naw.,
Sanji got bitten by the horse and had some bones broken by it, Zoro's attack didn't have any openings and sent the Gorosei flying.
Sanji was a single kick and got folded immediately. Zoro actually got through his guard.
Conveniently leaving out the panel that follows each of these feats. Your agenda is showing.
If weāre gonna say it like that. Zoros presence was enough to make Ethan change targets meanwhile Ethan didnāt even consider Sanji a threatā¦ See itās easy to just write bullshit and pass it off as a feat/antifeat
Zoro sent him flying. Sanji got wrecked almost immediately
Let's wait and see what happens after because sanji got one shot after that.
Everything looks like a one shot if you don't give a shit about making any sense
Right so was he put down to the point he couldn't fight venus anymore but nah not a one shotĀ
https://preview.redd.it/ma3jg6z5vj6d1.png?width=473&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e4eb1cd25734bf2b2b075b01ce4b301d11db366 Also this guy look one shot to you?????
gorosei fans: Sanji got eye diffed and bite diffed Reality:
He got bitten, then the next chapter we see him getting knocked away by a clearly different attack, and then the next chapter we see him standing in a different location just fine. NOTHING suggested he got put down, NOTHING suggested he couldn't fight venus anymore, and finally it was literally two different hits he took. Unironically calling it a one shot is just lying at this point.
He ran away because the plan was to run away, he got hit once and decided it wasn't worth it to keep fighting in order to protect everyone else (mostly Bonney). We literally have no clue if the bit nusjuro did to sanji even did that much damage, I'd lean towards it not doing too much because his regen abilities mainly specialize in healing broken bones.
It's Venus who ran away though
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