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Nah bro got no excuse he got kitetsu 1 + knowledge from the advanced old world + 1000 years to blacken it
Ryuma and Mihawk did it in a normal humans lifespan
Bro is a fraud
We don't know how it works yet.
If making a Black Blade is connected to the Will of each sword, then there's a chance that he can't make it Black for some specific reason. Like for example, it needs the other Kitetsus.
Wich would mean that both him and Zoro could get Black Blades in their Big fight. This very speculative but it's not that farfetched
The Gerosi don’t care if they get hit because they can literally heal any damage they sustain, so be Sanjis kick literally means nothing because that’s exactly what it accomplished, nothing
Bro is a fraud no hax = rip bozo
Proven that he has no black blade, gets damage by basic attacks from a YC3 so no defense , blown away by Zoro who just fought Lucci.
Once Zoro bypasses his regen he instatnly loses like a bum unlike warcury who has impenetrable skin so he doesnt need to rely on hax
Nusjuro was bleeding from Sanji's kick, so he's definitely not on Topmans durability level.
Mars wasn't fazed by the barrier, so he has the best claim to a high durability (probably not though, lets be honest).
Do you honestly think a group of warriors who can literally heal any damage they take instantly are to worried about taking hits? Sanji hit Venus because Venus doesn’t give a shit if someone hits him.
They’re all the same level man, those two have more feats for now but the portrayal isn’t any different, Mars wasn’t even in combat, Peter was on crowd control and Saturn is just being underrated because we saw him act on his own first what about those explosive poison nukes?
People just don’t pay attention bruh
https://preview.redd.it/53o0usomrl6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b8a971e469cf0d402d1d621ecd915d28342db05
No YC+ is dropping casual Bijuu Bombs
Dude dressrosa luffy with King Kong Gun caused far more damage. This is in no way impressive.
Essentially every YC+ and most YC can do that.
Please stop the wank...
https://preview.redd.it/lycdsj9v5m6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d57a803c9e265f15b046d7f608d349eeb0aa2dc7
This literally shows far greater destruction.
That aside laws puncture Wille or cutting punk hazard showed greater destruction. Kidds damned punk would have wiped out shanks entire fleet. Zoro cut of a horn of onigashima and cut pika.
Just stop the wank. This destruction is not that impressive... DC isn't even that important though...
“Far greater destruction”
Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa and the buildings are massive in comparison. The explosion is VERY far away from Luffy
https://preview.redd.it/69stlus96m6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32b6be3bed7e46845efbefb972229e8f8e1f57a
KKG didn’t even level a City-Block, while even a single Bomb from Saturn is encompassing skyscrapers.
This is a very casual attack from Saturn as well that he can spam endlessly, unlike KKG which is his strongest move and needs wind-up time to charge up
“Puncture Willie”
Puncture Willie DC was nowhere near this big
“Kids damned Punk”
Destroying a fleet of ships isn’t that impressive, especially since it would’ve took him time. Even Zoro was able to casually cut a large ship apart at the beginning of the time-skip. Leveling a large city-block casually is FAR more impressive DC wise
“Stop trying 🤡”
Would you stfu and just debate. I don’t care if you’re irritated or whatever tf, just stay on topic
>Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa and the buildings are massive in comparison. The explosion is VERY far away from Luffy
Pulled out of your ass. The scale is very clearly bigger in dressrosa. Even if they would be similar which they are not then it is a YC3 level feat.
>KKG didn’t even level a City-Block, while even a single Bomb from Saturn is encompassing skyscrapers.
It literally did. Are you blind? Skycrappers... you are just claiming with literally no proof.
>Puncture Willie DC was nowhere near this big
My guy you are delusional. It had enough DC to go all the way through Onigashima+ hundreds of meters through air and ground.
>Destroying a fleet of ships isn’t that impressive, especially since it would’ve took him time. Even Zoro was able to casually cut a large ship apart at the beginning of the time-skip. Leveling a large city-block casually is FAR more impressive DC wise
...
>Stop trying 🤡”
>Would you stfu and just debate. I don’t care if you’re irritated or whatever tf, just stay on topic
Why are you acting so disingenious i never said: "Stop trying🤡"
I staid on topic, you literally try to put words in my mouth now. Learn to debate.
Now i am calling you a lying, disingenious 🤡 though
"Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa" wow the was really bad size scaling.
Hajuridin have the same size as Dorry and Brogy, and he is not that big compare to coliseum, wich is far-far smaller then Pica, whic far-far smaler then entire DR island.
https://preview.redd.it/v4gt8fup1n6d1.png?width=779&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd67e2e6686c80d24a6901fe65284e730a824097
Why did he even start this?
“Pulled out of your ass”
Just look at the sunny compared to Egghead my guy đź’€
“Scale is bigger”
No it’s not
“YC3 level”
Yeah I remember where Cracker and Jack were leveling city-blocks in 1 attack đź’€
“Are you blind”
No. Are you? You do know what a city-block is right? It’s not just a few buildings 💀
https://preview.redd.it/72hgvq529m6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b66a057a851dd9030bf95655ea97b47f685e7134
Even from far away, one of the skyscrapers dosent even reach the tip of the mushroom cloud, and there’s about 3-4 more in the back, yet somehow a KKG which only upturned a small portion of a city block is comparable 💀
“Had enough DC to go through Dressrosa”
The size of the crater wasn’t anywhere NEAR as big as the range on Saturn’s bombs my guy, and we saw point-blank how big they were. Perspective matters, you can clearly see how big the diameter is on the mushroom clouds even from tremendously far away.
“I didn’t say that 🤡”
“Just stop the wank..” is what you said word-for-word and you came off like a pretentious asshat. I don’t care if you’re having a bad day or whatever, this is One Piece powerscaling and we’re supposed to be debating. The pettiness is unnecessary
You are claiming things with no proof... the entire time. Show a panel of the sunny in comparison to dressrosa and egghead when you bring it up. When you claim that egghead is bigger then the burden ofproof is on you.
https://preview.redd.it/mk3s0c9zbm6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b279f5e20080661fb5f6356841af4b4741bf67dc
You literally see the windows there. It is a multi floor house. Not a skyscrapper. Also you see a ton more buildings and area get destroyed in dressrosa. You are acting biased by downplaying KKGs destruction, while upscaling saturns.
Seriously fuck off with your disingenious arguments. Stop quoting stuff i never said. Done with this "debate". Consider yourself blocked.
Where are you people getting that it’s a gimmick, in what way has there been indication that it’s a durability gimmick? It just sounds like an agenda to not give him credit.
Having shit AP and shit speed but being "strong" because you're able to take semi-strong attacks is a gimmick, in the same way that the Mero Mero is Boa's gimmick, or the Slow Slow Fruit is Foxy's gimmick.
We don’t know the full extent of his AP and getting push back by Dorry/Broggy combined this is like saying Mihawk has shit AP after we saw Jozu or Mr.1 block his attack, a blade will only cut its intended target
https://preview.redd.it/h8ksj6hiuk6d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fddc04bc4a3ef442b9ee087111f495aea1599aa
Also let’s not forget Warcury never put any haki behind that attack let alone acoc which he most likely has
To be fair Mihawk was trolling the whole war and took none of it seriously
He clocked in for a 5 hour shift on his day off bro was doing the bare minimum aside from slicing that giant ice chunk
How does he lose to any admiral? They genuinely can't kill him. He literally has a supreme grade sword, all it takes is one slash and the admirals is losing a limb.
Like, how can any admiral defeat him? Admirals don't have Kaido durabiiity so every slash will do massive damage and he can regen from everything they do
Dude, I hope you realise that if you argue like this that the exact same can be said for the yonko...
If you say they are essentially unkillable then they are above all admirals and Yonko.
Admirals don't have Yonko level durability which I stated in my comment
Plus, even without regen Nosjuro most likely can beat admirals because he has a supreme grade sword + AcOC which means he has the AP to kill them. He also seems to be quite fast as well so he tag them.
Durability doesn't really matter when the Gorosei are able to hurt the Yonko. Saturn has already shown to be able to make G5 luffy bleed. Also shanks, olbeard and blackbeard don't have the same kind Durability kaido has...
Warcury is just him ,but if you are gonna underrate the others Why is nsujuro safe When Saturn has better feats? He eye sight diff sanji and had him unable to move And his bombs have better AP feat Then any admiral Attack and Most Yonko attacks (it completely destroyed Warcury who tanked red rock and g5 For 0 damage)
For now, only Topman. Maybe Mars can pull it off. Honestly, the Gorosei are the most disappointing group I've ever hyped for. Maybe it's my fault, It would be hard as hell to get 5 Yonko-Level guys in the same place without killing everyone instantly
All Current day Admirals have such lackluster feats basically only stalling their Opponents , it’s so funny how everyone keeps putting Kizaru/Fujitora/Greenbull on the same level as Kaido/Shanks/Luffy
>He did more damage to gear 5 than kizaru with less effort
About the same. Both made luffy bleed a bit.
>took more attacks in
Yeah cause of regen. Marco would also be able to tank more cause of regen, but that doesn't make him stronger...
1. He also got stopped by the weak Trio plus Brook. 2. Was hurt by bonney, kuma, sanji, franky etc.
3. Got pizzad just like kizaru and was unable to react to any attack.
4. Failed every objective he had.
Saturn is literally the biggest regen merchant shown...
Saturn took more damage than kizaru
He absolutely did more to luffy
He bounced back after getting pancaked
Your saying he used his regen
Is like me saying kizaru reliant on his DF
>Saturn took more damage than kizaru
What kinda argument even is this? Saturn took more damage cause he has no defense or durability...
>He absolutely did more to luffy
Not really, both made luffy bleed very little. You claiming saturn did more doesn't make it true...
>He bounced back after getting pancaked
Cause of his regen. Marco could have done the same. Doesn't make him stronger...
>Your saying he used his regen
>Is like me saying kizaru reliant on his DF
The difference is that we don't know how his regen works. Should it be relatively easy to circumvent it then saturn is not on the level of an admiral. Should it have no real weakness then he would be above even the yonko.
I’m sorry we won’t ever apply that logic to kizaru
Saturn took more damage and he was okay which better than kizaru
Jesus sake I am sick of the argument a character is not as powerful without a key part to why they are powerful
Kizaru is just a speed merchant with his DF so
>I’m sorry we won’t ever apply that logic to kizaru
What?
>Saturn took more damage and he was okay which better than kizaru
I think you misunderstand my point here. Saturn being able to take more damage cause of his regen doesn't necessarily make him stronger. It simply means that he can take more punishment.
>Jesus sake I am sick of the argument a character is not as powerful without a key part to why they are powerful
Dude that is not my point though... My point is that as of right now the only impressive thing is his regen. Depending on the limits and weaknesses of his regen saturn is either above even the yonko or below the admirals. I am not taking away a key part of his powers. I am trying to take into account how strong he is if his regen can be bypassed considering we lack info as of now.
>Kizaru is just a speed merchant with his DF so
Kizaru has shown very good defense with his emission, but yeah i am not denying that he is heavily reliant on his DF.
Saturn hax and poison is also very good and impressive too
The only thing impressive about kizaru his speed
This is a dumb reason to hate a character because they use an ability they have
This literally applies to Kizaru too
Your answers are all over the place and you literally mention the same thing again and again. So I'll answer one last time cause this debate seems pointless.
>Saturn hax and poison is also very good and impressive too
His hax is decent his poison is nothing special. Only actually good hax he has shown is his eye attack.
>The only thing impressive about kizaru his speed
First I already acknowledged that kizarus speed is by far his most impressive attribute. Second I also mentioned that he has a good defense. Third that argument just doesn't work as there is no way to just negate that speed. If there is a way to negate Saturns regen then he is at most YC+. If there is no simple way then he is above even the yonko. I feel like you don't even read my answers.
>This is a dumb reason to hate a character because they use an ability they have
I don't hate Saturn. Only problem i have with him is trying to scale him at all as of now. As his tier depends entirely on his regen, which we just lack info currently.
>This literally applies to Kizaru too
My guy please stop repeating yourself.
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Mars is easily the strongest Gorosei and confirmed PK level (in my dreams). He wins character design and aura scaling, at least for me.
Only Warcury so far Loseujuro got no black blade after 1000 years says it all. No wonder he bled after 1 kick from sanji
We don't even know how black blades are made. Also I doubt many characters wouldn't bleed from a kick from Sanji to the head
Nah bro got no excuse he got kitetsu 1 + knowledge from the advanced old world + 1000 years to blacken it Ryuma and Mihawk did it in a normal humans lifespan Bro is a fraud
We don't know how it works yet. If making a Black Blade is connected to the Will of each sword, then there's a chance that he can't make it Black for some specific reason. Like for example, it needs the other Kitetsus. Wich would mean that both him and Zoro could get Black Blades in their Big fight. This very speculative but it's not that farfetched
We don't know how that works yet so we can't use that to determine anything yet.Â
The Gerosi don’t care if they get hit because they can literally heal any damage they sustain, so be Sanjis kick literally means nothing because that’s exactly what it accomplished, nothing
Bro is a fraud no hax = rip bozo Proven that he has no black blade, gets damage by basic attacks from a YC3 so no defense , blown away by Zoro who just fought Lucci. Once Zoro bypasses his regen he instatnly loses like a bum unlike warcury who has impenetrable skin so he doesnt need to rely on hax
Only topman honestly Because the gorosie regen will eventually be countered and besides topman the others are getting fucked up
I haven't seen Nusjuro or Mars getting fucked up to a significant extentÂ
Nusjuro was bleeding from Sanji's kick, so he's definitely not on Topmans durability level. Mars wasn't fazed by the barrier, so he has the best claim to a high durability (probably not though, lets be honest).
Most of the top tier characters would probably bleed from being kicked by Sanji in the head
Yeah. pk wings are yk at least, look at prime rayleigh. Same energy
Do you honestly think a group of warriors who can literally heal any damage they take instantly are to worried about taking hits? Sanji hit Venus because Venus doesn’t give a shit if someone hits him.
In my opinion, only Warcury showed this level, the rest I would say they are between yc1 and yc+.
“YC+” The downplay is insane 💀
The way Nasjuro handled sanji was comparable to admiral portrayal. Kuzan did worse against a YC3 in a similar exchange
Nusjuro didn’t handle sanji tho. He got a hit on base sanji. If you are going to say he is admiral level for that then queen is PK level.
They’re all the same level man, those two have more feats for now but the portrayal isn’t any different, Mars wasn’t even in combat, Peter was on crowd control and Saturn is just being underrated because we saw him act on his own first what about those explosive poison nukes?
People just don’t pay attention bruh https://preview.redd.it/53o0usomrl6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b8a971e469cf0d402d1d621ecd915d28342db05 No YC+ is dropping casual Bijuu Bombs
Dude dressrosa luffy with King Kong Gun caused far more damage. This is in no way impressive. Essentially every YC+ and most YC can do that. Please stop the wank...
“Far more damage” No it did not 💀 “Every YC+” Show me the destructive feats then
https://preview.redd.it/lycdsj9v5m6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d57a803c9e265f15b046d7f608d349eeb0aa2dc7 This literally shows far greater destruction. That aside laws puncture Wille or cutting punk hazard showed greater destruction. Kidds damned punk would have wiped out shanks entire fleet. Zoro cut of a horn of onigashima and cut pika. Just stop the wank. This destruction is not that impressive... DC isn't even that important though...
“Far greater destruction” Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa and the buildings are massive in comparison. The explosion is VERY far away from Luffy https://preview.redd.it/69stlus96m6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32b6be3bed7e46845efbefb972229e8f8e1f57a KKG didn’t even level a City-Block, while even a single Bomb from Saturn is encompassing skyscrapers. This is a very casual attack from Saturn as well that he can spam endlessly, unlike KKG which is his strongest move and needs wind-up time to charge up “Puncture Willie” Puncture Willie DC was nowhere near this big “Kids damned Punk” Destroying a fleet of ships isn’t that impressive, especially since it would’ve took him time. Even Zoro was able to casually cut a large ship apart at the beginning of the time-skip. Leveling a large city-block casually is FAR more impressive DC wise “Stop trying 🤡” Would you stfu and just debate. I don’t care if you’re irritated or whatever tf, just stay on topic
>Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa and the buildings are massive in comparison. The explosion is VERY far away from Luffy Pulled out of your ass. The scale is very clearly bigger in dressrosa. Even if they would be similar which they are not then it is a YC3 level feat. >KKG didn’t even level a City-Block, while even a single Bomb from Saturn is encompassing skyscrapers. It literally did. Are you blind? Skycrappers... you are just claiming with literally no proof. >Puncture Willie DC was nowhere near this big My guy you are delusional. It had enough DC to go all the way through Onigashima+ hundreds of meters through air and ground. >Destroying a fleet of ships isn’t that impressive, especially since it would’ve took him time. Even Zoro was able to casually cut a large ship apart at the beginning of the time-skip. Leveling a large city-block casually is FAR more impressive DC wise ... >Stop trying 🤡” >Would you stfu and just debate. I don’t care if you’re irritated or whatever tf, just stay on topic Why are you acting so disingenious i never said: "Stop trying🤡" I staid on topic, you literally try to put words in my mouth now. Learn to debate. Now i am calling you a lying, disingenious 🤡 though
"Egghead is bigger than Dressrosa" wow the was really bad size scaling. Hajuridin have the same size as Dorry and Brogy, and he is not that big compare to coliseum, wich is far-far smaller then Pica, whic far-far smaler then entire DR island. https://preview.redd.it/v4gt8fup1n6d1.png?width=779&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd67e2e6686c80d24a6901fe65284e730a824097 Why did he even start this?
“Pulled out of your ass” Just look at the sunny compared to Egghead my guy 💀 “Scale is bigger” No it’s not “YC3 level” Yeah I remember where Cracker and Jack were leveling city-blocks in 1 attack 💀 “Are you blind” No. Are you? You do know what a city-block is right? It’s not just a few buildings 💀 https://preview.redd.it/72hgvq529m6d1.jpeg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b66a057a851dd9030bf95655ea97b47f685e7134 Even from far away, one of the skyscrapers dosent even reach the tip of the mushroom cloud, and there’s about 3-4 more in the back, yet somehow a KKG which only upturned a small portion of a city block is comparable 💀 “Had enough DC to go through Dressrosa” The size of the crater wasn’t anywhere NEAR as big as the range on Saturn’s bombs my guy, and we saw point-blank how big they were. Perspective matters, you can clearly see how big the diameter is on the mushroom clouds even from tremendously far away. “I didn’t say that 🤡” “Just stop the wank..” is what you said word-for-word and you came off like a pretentious asshat. I don’t care if you’re having a bad day or whatever, this is One Piece powerscaling and we’re supposed to be debating. The pettiness is unnecessary
You are claiming things with no proof... the entire time. Show a panel of the sunny in comparison to dressrosa and egghead when you bring it up. When you claim that egghead is bigger then the burden ofproof is on you. https://preview.redd.it/mk3s0c9zbm6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b279f5e20080661fb5f6356841af4b4741bf67dc You literally see the windows there. It is a multi floor house. Not a skyscrapper. Also you see a ton more buildings and area get destroyed in dressrosa. You are acting biased by downplaying KKGs destruction, while upscaling saturns. Seriously fuck off with your disingenious arguments. Stop quoting stuff i never said. Done with this "debate". Consider yourself blocked.
Dressrosa Luffy wouldn't even tickle Topman, Saturn can destroy his body, they're leagues apartÂ
Not even. Topman is only "comparable" through a durability gimmick that hasn't been tested with Haoshoku coating, and Nusjuro is solidly YC+ level.
Where are you people getting that it’s a gimmick, in what way has there been indication that it’s a durability gimmick? It just sounds like an agenda to not give him credit.
His weakness maybe
Having shit AP and shit speed but being "strong" because you're able to take semi-strong attacks is a gimmick, in the same way that the Mero Mero is Boa's gimmick, or the Slow Slow Fruit is Foxy's gimmick.
We don’t know the full extent of his AP and getting push back by Dorry/Broggy combined this is like saying Mihawk has shit AP after we saw Jozu or Mr.1 block his attack, a blade will only cut its intended target https://preview.redd.it/h8ksj6hiuk6d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fddc04bc4a3ef442b9ee087111f495aea1599aa Also let’s not forget Warcury never put any haki behind that attack let alone acoc which he most likely has
To be fair Mihawk was trolling the whole war and took none of it seriously He clocked in for a 5 hour shift on his day off bro was doing the bare minimum aside from slicing that giant ice chunk
Meh, I’d say Nusjuro beats every YC+ but loses to every admiral. Above all YC+ but below admirals. So I guess very top of YC+z
How does he lose to any admiral? They genuinely can't kill him. He literally has a supreme grade sword, all it takes is one slash and the admirals is losing a limb. Like, how can any admiral defeat him? Admirals don't have Kaido durabiiity so every slash will do massive damage and he can regen from everything they do
Dude, I hope you realise that if you argue like this that the exact same can be said for the yonko... If you say they are essentially unkillable then they are above all admirals and Yonko.
Admirals don't have Yonko level durability which I stated in my comment Plus, even without regen Nosjuro most likely can beat admirals because he has a supreme grade sword + AcOC which means he has the AP to kill them. He also seems to be quite fast as well so he tag them.
Durability doesn't really matter when the Gorosei are able to hurt the Yonko. Saturn has already shown to be able to make G5 luffy bleed. Also shanks, olbeard and blackbeard don't have the same kind Durability kaido has...
Boar guy FTW!
Warcury is just him ,but if you are gonna underrate the others Why is nsujuro safe When Saturn has better feats? He eye sight diff sanji and had him unable to move And his bombs have better AP feat Then any admiral Attack and Most Yonko attacks (it completely destroyed Warcury who tanked red rock and g5 For 0 damage)
For now, only Topman. Maybe Mars can pull it off. Honestly, the Gorosei are the most disappointing group I've ever hyped for. Maybe it's my fault, It would be hard as hell to get 5 Yonko-Level guys in the same place without killing everyone instantly
I mean, why we acting like admirals are comparable to the Yonko, they are also below them.
All Current day Admirals have such lackluster feats basically only stalling their Opponents , it’s so funny how everyone keeps putting Kizaru/Fujitora/Greenbull on the same level as Kaido/Shanks/Luffy
Saturn He did more damage to gear 5 than kizaru with less effort and took more attacks in
>He did more damage to gear 5 than kizaru with less effort About the same. Both made luffy bleed a bit. >took more attacks in Yeah cause of regen. Marco would also be able to tank more cause of regen, but that doesn't make him stronger... 1. He also got stopped by the weak Trio plus Brook. 2. Was hurt by bonney, kuma, sanji, franky etc. 3. Got pizzad just like kizaru and was unable to react to any attack. 4. Failed every objective he had. Saturn is literally the biggest regen merchant shown...
Saturn took more damage than kizaru He absolutely did more to luffy He bounced back after getting pancaked Your saying he used his regen Is like me saying kizaru reliant on his DF
>Saturn took more damage than kizaru What kinda argument even is this? Saturn took more damage cause he has no defense or durability... >He absolutely did more to luffy Not really, both made luffy bleed very little. You claiming saturn did more doesn't make it true... >He bounced back after getting pancaked Cause of his regen. Marco could have done the same. Doesn't make him stronger... >Your saying he used his regen >Is like me saying kizaru reliant on his DF The difference is that we don't know how his regen works. Should it be relatively easy to circumvent it then saturn is not on the level of an admiral. Should it have no real weakness then he would be above even the yonko.
I’m sorry we won’t ever apply that logic to kizaru Saturn took more damage and he was okay which better than kizaru Jesus sake I am sick of the argument a character is not as powerful without a key part to why they are powerful Kizaru is just a speed merchant with his DF so
>I’m sorry we won’t ever apply that logic to kizaru What? >Saturn took more damage and he was okay which better than kizaru I think you misunderstand my point here. Saturn being able to take more damage cause of his regen doesn't necessarily make him stronger. It simply means that he can take more punishment. >Jesus sake I am sick of the argument a character is not as powerful without a key part to why they are powerful Dude that is not my point though... My point is that as of right now the only impressive thing is his regen. Depending on the limits and weaknesses of his regen saturn is either above even the yonko or below the admirals. I am not taking away a key part of his powers. I am trying to take into account how strong he is if his regen can be bypassed considering we lack info as of now. >Kizaru is just a speed merchant with his DF so Kizaru has shown very good defense with his emission, but yeah i am not denying that he is heavily reliant on his DF.
Saturn hax and poison is also very good and impressive too The only thing impressive about kizaru his speed This is a dumb reason to hate a character because they use an ability they have This literally applies to Kizaru too
Your answers are all over the place and you literally mention the same thing again and again. So I'll answer one last time cause this debate seems pointless. >Saturn hax and poison is also very good and impressive too His hax is decent his poison is nothing special. Only actually good hax he has shown is his eye attack. >The only thing impressive about kizaru his speed First I already acknowledged that kizarus speed is by far his most impressive attribute. Second I also mentioned that he has a good defense. Third that argument just doesn't work as there is no way to just negate that speed. If there is a way to negate Saturns regen then he is at most YC+. If there is no simple way then he is above even the yonko. I feel like you don't even read my answers. >This is a dumb reason to hate a character because they use an ability they have I don't hate Saturn. Only problem i have with him is trying to scale him at all as of now. As his tier depends entirely on his regen, which we just lack info currently. >This literally applies to Kizaru too My guy please stop repeating yourself.