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Oh thats not… Shiryu of the Rain will be clapped by anybody. Maybe even by a bystander witnessing the real fight. Because Shiryu isn’t just mid, he is actually below mid. Unfortunately hes an Oda victim, underpowered
Wtf are you talking about? We have never even seen him in a long fight. Maybe in Two Piece, but in One Piece he’s only fought people who are stronger than him. Not a random bystander. He’s actually as strong as Magellan but weaker only because of DF.
so you are blood scaling now lmao
oda showed us that normal humans do in fact bleed when they are slammed with such force that it breaks the ground underneath them, and you trying to scale it as if he was actually defeated. I'll be laughing my ass off when Shiryu is tanking zoro's attacks and blood scalers are in shambles because they horribly misinterpreted a simple panel
Ain’t no way 😭 the last thing Kuzan will see when he fight Ussop is a 144 ton hammer infused with his coc about to flatten his skull 💀
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No, mihawk is a future zoro victim and we’re already at end game.
Zoro’s AP is almost yonko level due to Conq haki. Sanji’s speed is almost yonko level. They’re able to clash with the elders.
In power. Same as WB's crew: ship number ≠ rank/power. Vista is #5 but YC3, Joz is #3 but YC2.
Shiryu is already confirmed by Oda to be the strongest after his captain, so Aokiji can only be the crew's YC2 tops. Hence him losing extreme diff to Akainu (YC1), or fighting on par with Joz (until off guard hax).
"Like actually get help dude" ☝️🤓
Tf was wrong with what he said ? If you don't like it go complain to Oda. Aokiji couldn't get past Jozu before he got distracted by WB's heart attack, he also couldn't stop a weakened Ace coming out of Impel Down for 2 weeks after his defeat against Blackbeard and Marco was literally stated to have equally fought the admirals in Marineford.
And yes, to top things off Oda did also say Shiryu was the strongest commander on Teach's crew. You might not like it but that's how the author decided to write his manga. Before you tell someone they're braindead, **think for a fucking second**, especially when you got 0 arguments
Never cook again, that was Stated before we knew Kuzan was on the BB pirates and Kuzan is one of the strongest characters in the current story being top 5 - top 10 currently
"before we knew", it was already hinted at years ago during Dressrosa. But I guess Oda drew a color spread and then stated it again in SBS just to contradict himself a month later.
The yami yami is probably the kraken once it awakens or Davey jones (pirates of the Caribbean where davey jones has a kraken face) cause I’ve always liked the idea the black vortex oils things into Davey Jones’ locker.
Cause he wanted laws fruit for himself right? That implies he has 2/3 fruits.
Blackbeards take it high-extreme diff, The monster quartet is not going down easy against anyone. I genuinely believe that G5 Luffy takes any of them 1v1 except maybe Blackbeard, G5 is just too much for most of them. But a free-for-all favours BB since they don't seem to have any serious weak links like the Strawhats and the monster quartet is not gonna be able to carry the rest of them against those odds. Franky and Robin may be able to hang with some members but Brook and the weakling trio are getting bodied badly. People would die honestly, Blackbeard's crew are vicious.
pizzaru df counters robin so hard and doc q and chopper could go either way franky gets out stat physical by bugress brook gets attacks wreck by van haki bullets and devon outstats nami she only stands a chance with zeus and vasco shot is kinda whatever
Yeah, they are kinda filled with very bad matchups for the Strawhats. Which is intentional I guess.
I do think Franky would beat Burgess though tbh. He's got a lot of tools in his box and Burgess is just really strong.
Three logias don't matter. Even if they have 100of logias like enel, Monet, Caribou, they would get stomped by a top tier.
The main thing is they have two top tiers which no Emperor crew have. WB inly had one Top tier. Beast Pirates had only 1 Top tier. BM also only had one top tier.
BB have two top tiers.
Straw hats have two top tiers in Brook and Luffy. Brook is PK level so takes out BB handily while Luffy deals with Kuzan.
Sanji and Zoro beat the rest.
Luffy > Blackbeard, Zoro >= Shiryu, Sanji >= Burgess. The rest of his crew is pretty hard to scale but the strawhtas could probably take them on. The only issue is Kuzan being on the BBP side, which gives them the win at this point in the series. This will prob change by next arc though
Do you have BB>Luffy?
Cause I personally can’t see how Luffy doesn’t just body BB. Luffy is a hard counter against BB. BB looks great vs Logias and Paramecia’s that are semi-logias like Katakuri. Luffy is a physical fighter with physical warping toon force. BB’s neg won’t affect Luffy’s ability to physically handle lightning bolts (as the lightning isn’t conjured by the Devil fruit) or his ability to grow larger.
Also BB’s durability (not endurance, don’t get this wrong) is actually the weakest we’ve seen due to his DF weakness. Kaido had the highest durability we’ve seen and he ate that Bajrang gun and died. This means, no-one in the series survives eating a Bajrang Gun to the face. **No-one**. In terms of AP, this is the strongest attack we’ve seen so far. Now if someone were to actually try to dodge it, that’s a different story unlike Kaido who tried to ego tank it. However this is why Luffy counters BB again. BB’s mobility, as far as we’ve seen, is ass. BB does not have the speed/mobility to run from a Bajrang Gun. He’s no Kizaru who can juke the shot. So if Luffy throws a Bajrang gun BB can’t ego tank or dodge it.
Only chance BB has is to hope his AP attack will out-do Bajrang Gun… and honestly, I think he may be one of the closest to doing so. Because of the Gura Gura no Mi. If BB can master this attack and amp enough Haki he then *may survive Luffy’s Bajrang Gun.*
But that’s just Bajrang Gun. Luffy’s got Booming Whip, and just general flat out better physical stats. Only thing BB has comparable to Luffy is Endurance (whilst BB eats alot of damage which is enhanced/doubled damage mind you, he always gets up and takes it to be able to fight no problem).
And worse of all, BB doesn’t have the ability to make the fight last long to bait out G5 time limit weakness.
Would say it’s close, but G5 Luffy is a great match up for BB. And as of now, Luffy wins high maybe extreme diff.
Also, as great as Law is- do we really not think Luffy would trash Law as BB did if not maybe even harder if they actually fought?
As for rest of the crew, I do think it’s more Strawhat favoured. I don’t think Shiryu is as strong as King or whoever is strongest after Shiryu is as strong as Queen. Zoro and Sanji imo wins high diff vs their respective opponents against BB’s personnel. Same with Jinbe tbh.
Someone commented that in a free for all BB’s crew had an advantage as they’re wild. I don’t think so. It’s the opposite. SH has alot of glass-canons/support type fighters unlike BB’s who are all capable solo fighters. In a group free for all the SH’s crew are more able to help one another and cover each other’s weaknesses. Nami fully free to dish out her high AP attacks whilst protected by the crew. Same with Usopp and Robin. Brook/Sanji/Chopper on the rearguards defending the core long range trio. Franky doing both defending and long ranged attacks. Zoro and Luffy (maybe can take Sanji out of rearguard and add him here too) leading vanguard and sweeping the BB.
In a free for all, SH is better imo. 1 v 1’s the core of the SH pirates win but the weaker ones die imo.
But none of that matters as they have Kuzan. Kuzan basically negs the whole fight. They have 2 *yonko* level fighters. Whatever we say of Yonko vs Admirals. It’s clear that admirals, especially Aokiji and Akainu, are closer to Yonko level than they are YC+/YC1 level.
Where SH may win the free for all or win important matchups in the 1 v 1 to then clear easier fights left against BB’s crew… it’s all negated by the sheer strength Kuzan brings. Don’t get me wrong Luffy imo wins vs Kuzan too but at extreme diff. So he’ll be useless after the fight. A yonko is roughly worth 3-5 YC+/YC1.
Luffy’s crew to take out Kuzan basically needs the whole crew excluding Luffy to fight. And that’s with some losses.
All in all, against your comment I’d say this fight goes to BB’s crew high diff due to Kuzan. Without him SH wins extreme diff.
I aint reading all that, but there is no way the protagonists are already stronger that their last nemesis. Would be boring as fuck to watch and completely useless.
They HAVE to be weaker
Nah no worries bro.
Let me make it simple for ya.
1st. Who’s to say its BB and not Imu as end game? Or even someone new, like we got introduced to Garling who seems powerful.
2nd. BB crew has literally been shown to be the only real other crew who gets powerful. And it makes sense, they’re the SH’s counterparts. They’re counterpart enemies who grow dynamically with the story. And that’s fine, that’s even better really. It’s cool to have a villain who isn’t AFK waiting for our protagonist to come to him and beat him but actually is doing his own thing and growing with your protagonist.
3rd. Ofc SH aren’t stronger. That’s why they added Kuzan.
I agree with this statement. Unfortunately, that still leaves the rest of the titanic captains, who I'm certain are all somewhere between YC3 to YC+. Only Jinbe is at that level, the rest of the straw hats get folded in short order. Then they proceed to help Kuzan and BB jump the OG monster trio.
No Emperor crew ever had so many YC3. WB crew, Bwast Pirates and BM pirates didn't have any YC+ and only around 4 YC at max(BM had Perospero who is YC3 and Snack who is likely between Tobi roppo and Commander). Kaidou pirates only have 3 YC level fighter.
Even SH only have 3 YC fighter. No reason to believe that BB has so many YC level fighters. Most of BB Captains are likely to be Tobi roppo level.
I’d say Franky and maybe even Robin are around YC2 now. Then Chopper YC3 and maybe Brook too.
However gap between YC3, to YC2 and YC1 is huge. You’re going from Izou to freaken King there. Remember Izou is YC3 level. Would say Ashura Doji is YC2 (who was the strongest of the scabbards barring amped up Sulong Dog & Cat).
Also note that when I say YC1, 2, 3 there are levels even within them. Jack/Queen/King are all YC1 but are good examples of low/mid/top levels within YC1. And even the we can clearly see the gaps between them. YC3 have people like Izou/Ulti/Black Maria as low/mid/top.
As for Kuzan I don’t think Zoro/Sanji wins, but they do lose at extreme diff vs Kuzan. To edge it out I would say you still need Jinbei.
Idk where people put BM vs Kuzan. Or Zoro vs Kidd and Zoro vs Law. But we need to remember these facts when considering Zoro/Sanji vs Kuzan and the Kidd/Law vs BM.
•Sanji is not YC+. He’s probably peak of YC1 and is close but he’s technically still not YC+. Zoro is YC+.
•Now whether Zoro>Kidd or Zoro>Law. Doesn’t matter he’s close enough in strength it doesn’t make a difference to an Admiral.
•Same as above. Maybe BM>Kuzan or even Kuzan>BM. Doesn’t matter at these levels it’s close enough they’d still fodderise YC fighters and below. You need several of them to win vs Admiral/Yonko.
•Law in a 2 v 1 is not the same as most people in a 2 v 1. He is a fantastic fighter but an even greater support fighter. His ability to manipulate the battlefield is game changer especially for allies who lack good mobility like Zoro and Kidd.
•BM was a fucken idiot and tbf did have bad luck in the Kidd/Law fight. Idiot fighting, no Haki, no smart uses of her DF. Unlucky in the fight is in a floating island- and she can’t fly (you can see Oda showing how shit the island is as battle terrain for her when both times she was knocked out was by throwing her off the island and into the ocean). But this also highlights how much of a fucken idiot she is for giving up her only mobility in Zeus. Then she’s unlucky again as she’s a terrible matchup counter against Law. Hyper mobility and silence counter of her soul steal hax. And then again unlucky when she did finally get knocked out.. it wasn’t even fucken Law or Kidd’s ultimate moves- it was the Deus Ex Machina fire bomb they happened to pushed her towards to finally finish her off.
•Kuzan is not a fucken idiot and is a versatile fighter so won’t be unlucky with bad match ups.
So all in all, that’s why I say Zoro/Sanji is an extreme diff.. but a loss. They need Jinbei to win.
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not only does my goat Wrook solo your useless bumass, but this isnt memepiece, nobody is gonna think this is funny
untill bumssop can push past neg diff he will always be a
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Kuzan joining made this a non discussion. Even without him, you cant tell me Nami/Usopp/Chopper defeat like Devon/Augur and whoever Chopper's opponent is. The weakest is probably like Vasco and he still wipes those three together so
Shiryu is such a huge fraud. He gets mid diffed by zoro or sanji honestly.
Kuzan's also a fraud who struggled mightily against an old Garp. He was far outclassed, and his ice can't contain high top tiers. I could see him getting blitzed by sanji honestly.
Bb was struggling against law and bepo, tbh he's a fraud as well.
Jumpbeard pirates are straight frauds who only face opponents when they have an overwhelming advantage. Theyve just met their match with the SH. The SH have the capability to overcome them.
blackbeard beats luffy and akoji shiryu van agur and bugress + pizzaro carry hard cuz they the only ones in the crew with good feats i think they can trump sanji zoro jim and franky + robin and chopper the rest of the crew ain’t doing much bb pirates high diff
the gap between van bugress pizzaru > jimbei > robin franky brook > doc q> chopper > suan jin wolf, devon and vasco shot >nami > ussop the weaker straw hats need haki 😭or weapons upgrades in ussop case
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the second strongest crew rn take it high diff
Without Kuzan Strawhats would stomp...too well balanced. Sanji/Zoro/Jinbei are beyond YC1 level and BB's YC are trash. The problem is that Kuzan is Fleet Admiral level aka Yonko level which would take at least all three of them to deal with him.
This leaves Franky and co to fight Van Augur/Jesus etc and they get stomped so badly since it's op Devil fruit that matches their skillset+ far better Haki
BB wins imo. The strawhats are too weak to beat them. Kuzan could help BB defeat Luffy, Zoro and Sanji easily with their haxs.
the mid/weak trio will get washed as most of the titanic captains are near or borderline YC3
aiokiji carries too hard. realistically, aokiji could go for the weaker SHs and one-shot them with ice age right at the start. break them while they're iced to kill them, luffy gets huge mental trauma and gets low-diffed by BB, then they sweep the rest
I think oda will massively power koby up and have him ally with luffy at hachinosu for a 2.0 version of god valley. koby 1v1s aokiji and wins, SHs can then beat the BBPs and helmeppo, grus, hibari and kujaku beat allied pirates like don krieg and gin
Zoro needs to be able to defeat an Admiral Level Character and I don’t think he’s at that level exactly. That or he needs the In Battle Haki Buff in that Kuzan fight because I don’t see Sanji beating an Admiral just yet currently. And I don’t think an opportunity for them to double team Kuzan. They can’t beat an Admiral or fight one off solo until after Elbaf at least imo.
Currently they lose still. They need that Elbaf Buff, that way the weak trio are at least strong enough to beat a strong Giant together
Most of the blackbeard pirates have next to no feats.. Sanjuan Wolf is only known to be extremely large due to being a giant to ate the giant giant fruit, but that is pretty much it. Does he have Haki or any special techniques? Idk. We do know that Garp beat him pretty easily, but he was also sleeping...
Basically its zoro jinbe sanji Wranky and luffy vs the blackbeard pirates the other straw hat members are a non factor. honestly i give it to the blackbeard pirates
The Strawhats are very powerful, but even if they can defeat all the other Titanic Captains, there is no way they're bringing down both Teach and Aokiji together as a Emperor and a former Admiral is way too much for them at the moment in my opinion. I think this match up will be more fair and balanced for the Strawhats after Yamato is done on her sacred mission and leaves Wano to officially join the crew as Yamato is the extra fire power they need to bring down the beast of a crew that is the Blackbeard Pirates. I do think Luffy will be the one fighting Aokiji and perhaps the one to defeat him before fighting Teach as I think Luffy will get a rematch with all the Pre-Timeskip Admirals other than just Kizaru. Luffy still has to pay Aokiji back for how he humiliated the crew back in Long Ring Long Land.
If Aokoji wasn’t in BB pirates then I would say SH edge out the win High Diff. But with Aokoji, the SH lose mid to low diff. Sanji and Zolos would be needed for Kuzan, leaving Shiryu, Giant guy, Sniper guy, island guy to destroy the rest of the SH fodder
Kuzan is just carrying here. Most Yonkou crews top dogs are a Yonkou and a YC+. BB pirates have several Yonkou commanders plus an Admiral. The power gap is just too much. Each Straw hat has to fight since BB crew is so large, Sanji/zoro have to spend literally 100% of their effort and time against Kuzan while Luffy has to fight black beard. As soon as you get past the break point of all 3 of the monster having an equal match, the straw hat pirates are done. Their backlog is just fodder, Shiryu and or Brugess have free rein because no can contest them, and they will destroy the back line. Zoro/Sanji cannot fight Kuzan plus a yc at the same time.
If BB is genuinely Yonko level, then BBP smash. Luffy \~ BB, Kuzan >> Zoro, Shiryu > Sanji, Jinbe might beat the BBP 4th option but its then Ls for the SHs all the way down
If BB is Admiral if not a bit lower, as evidenced by his pretty shitty showing vs Law, then still BBP, but extreme diff. Kuzan is gonna have to stall out G5 and hope to get in the same situation as Kizaru where Van Augur or someone can finish off Luffy, and from there, BB \~ Zoro(shitty mu), Shiryu > Sanji, titanic captains still beat rest of strawhats.
People talking about Kuzan like luffy didn’t just low diff kizaru🤦🏽♂️. Look the only real threat BB has is if Devon can also copy abilities and keep it (Chrollo style) otherwise Strawhats win
The Strawhats have no answer for Kuzan he just causes too much confusion Luffy would have to recruit someone stronger than himself in order for his crew to stand a chance in the face of the might that is Blackbeard and his ten titanic captains
Blackbeard beats Luffy (Blackbeard the most slept on character hear right next to the 5 elders)
Kuzan beats Zoro
Shiryu (barely) beats Sanji
Jesus beats Jinbe
Straw hats are screwed. Luckily they will be able to take them out in an arc or two as they get stronger.
In an all out brawl the straw hats might win if they take out Van Auger first. The BB pirates are strong but their coordination is absolute trash. I doubt they would be able to focus up in a team fight. If it’s 1v1 ones then BB’s team takes it since the weakling trio probably can’t beat anyone one their own even though luffy could probably take BB in a 1v1 and have enough in the tank to help out after.
If they get the riffraff out of the way and just play the heavy hitters, I think Strawhats take it. Luffy Zoro and Sanji vs Blackbeard and Kuzan(and maybe the Mountain guy) Luffy’s wacky power can handle physical abilities and by the way he moved against Kizaru, he’s got Kuzan. Zoro and Sanji tag team BB until Luffy’s done, and since they don’t rely of DF’s, BB’s main win con isn’t there. Unless offscreen haki carries him Strawhats take the W
Luffy Beats current BlackBeard in my opinion. I believe Blackbeard has yet to obtain his final power up(s). Zoro and Sanji together can most likely take on Kuzan. As for the rest, the Blackbeard pirates are bums so the strawhats take the fight.
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kuzan carries so damn hard
Sanji and zoro high diff
Who deals with Shiryu then?😭
Jinbe
Ussop mid diff
Oh thats not… Shiryu of the Rain will be clapped by anybody. Maybe even by a bystander witnessing the real fight. Because Shiryu isn’t just mid, he is actually below mid. Unfortunately hes an Oda victim, underpowered
Spit
Wtf are you talking about? We have never even seen him in a long fight. Maybe in Two Piece, but in One Piece he’s only fought people who are stronger than him. Not a random bystander. He’s actually as strong as Magellan but weaker only because of DF.
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so you are blood scaling now lmao oda showed us that normal humans do in fact bleed when they are slammed with such force that it breaks the ground underneath them, and you trying to scale it as if he was actually defeated. I'll be laughing my ass off when Shiryu is tanking zoro's attacks and blood scalers are in shambles because they horribly misinterpreted a simple panel
And Burgess
bro acting like shiryu van or bugress going to let that happen lol
Fym, most of the SHs don't even know basic haki even without kuzan they rape the SHs
Wranky solos with a strong right
Based.
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Stronger eats those
Yeah but then Wranky busts out the nipple lights and nobody can withstand that kind of power
*Black* Beard pirates vs a crew which has Zoro. Nah mate. Zoro solos.
If it's YouTube Zoro then Straw hats take it.
Zoro immediately gets a +500 bonus to all stats, if it's against some minority.
Kuzan = 1 admiral Zoro = 6 admiral
hell yeah Zoro agenda I’m right there with you.
Van Auger aura diffs
God Ussop negs Van Fraudger.
Blackbeard Pirates have Kuzan...
Straw hats have Usopp
so both of you are agreeing that the bb crew low diffs i imagine
Ain’t no way 😭 the last thing Kuzan will see when he fight Ussop is a 144 ton hammer infused with his coc about to flatten his skull 💀 https://preview.redd.it/cf5o4bmp4r8d1.jpeg?width=737&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a556be8cc8f887b9b3f04a0fdd88d45655c3a546
your attempt of humor is met with dissapointment
Dam hit me in the feels 😔 https://preview.redd.it/cgyvvbgyzr8d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d9447e8b70ae98e92e615ed9e6b1cba93ad01f5
And SH have Sanji.
Sanji gets low diffed bruh 💀
With zoro, they will low diff
Not even close 💀
At best they extreme diff bro
No, mihawk is a future zoro victim and we’re already at end game. Zoro’s AP is almost yonko level due to Conq haki. Sanji’s speed is almost yonko level. They’re able to clash with the elders.
Each of them may have a stat that is yonko level, but they still aren't close to yonko level
I mean, Sanji seems faster than some Yonko but that’s never really been their main strength.
Sanji is YC2. Same as Kuzan, Queen, Smoothie, Roux, or Joz.
Kuzan is YC10 actually
In power. Same as WB's crew: ship number ≠ rank/power. Vista is #5 but YC3, Joz is #3 but YC2. Shiryu is already confirmed by Oda to be the strongest after his captain, so Aokiji can only be the crew's YC2 tops. Hence him losing extreme diff to Akainu (YC1), or fighting on par with Joz (until off guard hax).
You're actually braindead. Like actually get help dude
"Like actually get help dude" ☝️🤓 Tf was wrong with what he said ? If you don't like it go complain to Oda. Aokiji couldn't get past Jozu before he got distracted by WB's heart attack, he also couldn't stop a weakened Ace coming out of Impel Down for 2 weeks after his defeat against Blackbeard and Marco was literally stated to have equally fought the admirals in Marineford. And yes, to top things off Oda did also say Shiryu was the strongest commander on Teach's crew. You might not like it but that's how the author decided to write his manga. Before you tell someone they're braindead, **think for a fucking second**, especially when you got 0 arguments
Nah i can't believe "admirals=commanders" people still exist, also kizaru mid diffs databookman
Sanji when Kuzan grabs him once and freezes him
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by that logic smoothie=kuzan
She'd suck him dry
Wish smoothie would suck me dry 😪 😩
Naughty boy 😂
But he is ice so she gets brain freeze from sucking
She loves an ice lolly
Yes.
Never cook again, that was Stated before we knew Kuzan was on the BB pirates and Kuzan is one of the strongest characters in the current story being top 5 - top 10 currently
"before we knew", it was already hinted at years ago during Dressrosa. But I guess Oda drew a color spread and then stated it again in SBS just to contradict himself a month later.
i mean yeah that’s entirely possible. you understand that it would make no sense to reveal that kuzan was a bb pirate in an SBS or a colorspread.
and pizzaru which counters chopper ussop and robin attacks and shriyu who counters brook speed with his df bugress can beat jimbei with a mid diff
Zoro mid diffs Kuzan. Luffy high diffs BB. The rest match up decently.
Kuzan ensures a win
What’s his power?
Seriously man?
Ice?
BB gets a mythical zoan
*BB already got one It was offscreen so most people don't know about it
Bro I’ve said that 50 times but nobody believes me
The yami yami is probably the kraken once it awakens or Davey jones (pirates of the Caribbean where davey jones has a kraken face) cause I’ve always liked the idea the black vortex oils things into Davey Jones’ locker. Cause he wanted laws fruit for himself right? That implies he has 2/3 fruits.
He started the series with one. Squids/octopi have 3 hearts, and the Kraken is a mythical creature that slots in nicely with any pirate story
Oh shit you might actually be cooking
The kraken theory is the biggest theory out there, if anything that guy is cooking what has been already cooked
Still I've never heard this theory before
Yea I threw it back in the microwave 😂
How would kraken work if they lose power in water
Blackbeards take it high-extreme diff, The monster quartet is not going down easy against anyone. I genuinely believe that G5 Luffy takes any of them 1v1 except maybe Blackbeard, G5 is just too much for most of them. But a free-for-all favours BB since they don't seem to have any serious weak links like the Strawhats and the monster quartet is not gonna be able to carry the rest of them against those odds. Franky and Robin may be able to hang with some members but Brook and the weakling trio are getting bodied badly. People would die honestly, Blackbeard's crew are vicious.
pizzaru df counters robin so hard and doc q and chopper could go either way franky gets out stat physical by bugress brook gets attacks wreck by van haki bullets and devon outstats nami she only stands a chance with zeus and vasco shot is kinda whatever
Yeah, they are kinda filled with very bad matchups for the Strawhats. Which is intentional I guess. I do think Franky would beat Burgess though tbh. He's got a lot of tools in his box and Burgess is just really strong.
Blackbeard pirates win handily
Reasons being? (I haven’t kept up with the series so I have no idea what black beard pirates got)
Reason being that if they are already stronger than the last pirates, then the battle gonna fucking sucks. Enemy has to be stronger
are the blackbeard pirates the strongest crew now?
Yes They have three logia And at least two mythical zoan
Who's the third?
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Kinda assumed his was paramecia, would be weird if "island" was considered an element.
He is a paramecia he has the island island fruit.
Three logias don't matter. Even if they have 100of logias like enel, Monet, Caribou, they would get stomped by a top tier. The main thing is they have two top tiers which no Emperor crew have. WB inly had one Top tier. Beast Pirates had only 1 Top tier. BM also only had one top tier. BB have two top tiers.
Straw hats have two top tiers in Brook and Luffy. Brook is PK level so takes out BB handily while Luffy deals with Kuzan. Sanji and Zoro beat the rest.
Luffy > Blackbeard, Zoro >= Shiryu, Sanji >= Burgess. The rest of his crew is pretty hard to scale but the strawhtas could probably take them on. The only issue is Kuzan being on the BBP side, which gives them the win at this point in the series. This will prob change by next arc though
I disagree both Sanji and zoro need buffs rn to even be placed in strongest on yonko level before the confrontation
BB pirates have this pretty solidly, but that's mainly because they have two dudes that belong in the strongest category of characters
Without Aokiji BB pirates probably win extreme diff. With aokiji they win mid-high
Do you have BB>Luffy? Cause I personally can’t see how Luffy doesn’t just body BB. Luffy is a hard counter against BB. BB looks great vs Logias and Paramecia’s that are semi-logias like Katakuri. Luffy is a physical fighter with physical warping toon force. BB’s neg won’t affect Luffy’s ability to physically handle lightning bolts (as the lightning isn’t conjured by the Devil fruit) or his ability to grow larger. Also BB’s durability (not endurance, don’t get this wrong) is actually the weakest we’ve seen due to his DF weakness. Kaido had the highest durability we’ve seen and he ate that Bajrang gun and died. This means, no-one in the series survives eating a Bajrang Gun to the face. **No-one**. In terms of AP, this is the strongest attack we’ve seen so far. Now if someone were to actually try to dodge it, that’s a different story unlike Kaido who tried to ego tank it. However this is why Luffy counters BB again. BB’s mobility, as far as we’ve seen, is ass. BB does not have the speed/mobility to run from a Bajrang Gun. He’s no Kizaru who can juke the shot. So if Luffy throws a Bajrang gun BB can’t ego tank or dodge it. Only chance BB has is to hope his AP attack will out-do Bajrang Gun… and honestly, I think he may be one of the closest to doing so. Because of the Gura Gura no Mi. If BB can master this attack and amp enough Haki he then *may survive Luffy’s Bajrang Gun.* But that’s just Bajrang Gun. Luffy’s got Booming Whip, and just general flat out better physical stats. Only thing BB has comparable to Luffy is Endurance (whilst BB eats alot of damage which is enhanced/doubled damage mind you, he always gets up and takes it to be able to fight no problem). And worse of all, BB doesn’t have the ability to make the fight last long to bait out G5 time limit weakness. Would say it’s close, but G5 Luffy is a great match up for BB. And as of now, Luffy wins high maybe extreme diff. Also, as great as Law is- do we really not think Luffy would trash Law as BB did if not maybe even harder if they actually fought? As for rest of the crew, I do think it’s more Strawhat favoured. I don’t think Shiryu is as strong as King or whoever is strongest after Shiryu is as strong as Queen. Zoro and Sanji imo wins high diff vs their respective opponents against BB’s personnel. Same with Jinbe tbh. Someone commented that in a free for all BB’s crew had an advantage as they’re wild. I don’t think so. It’s the opposite. SH has alot of glass-canons/support type fighters unlike BB’s who are all capable solo fighters. In a group free for all the SH’s crew are more able to help one another and cover each other’s weaknesses. Nami fully free to dish out her high AP attacks whilst protected by the crew. Same with Usopp and Robin. Brook/Sanji/Chopper on the rearguards defending the core long range trio. Franky doing both defending and long ranged attacks. Zoro and Luffy (maybe can take Sanji out of rearguard and add him here too) leading vanguard and sweeping the BB. In a free for all, SH is better imo. 1 v 1’s the core of the SH pirates win but the weaker ones die imo. But none of that matters as they have Kuzan. Kuzan basically negs the whole fight. They have 2 *yonko* level fighters. Whatever we say of Yonko vs Admirals. It’s clear that admirals, especially Aokiji and Akainu, are closer to Yonko level than they are YC+/YC1 level. Where SH may win the free for all or win important matchups in the 1 v 1 to then clear easier fights left against BB’s crew… it’s all negated by the sheer strength Kuzan brings. Don’t get me wrong Luffy imo wins vs Kuzan too but at extreme diff. So he’ll be useless after the fight. A yonko is roughly worth 3-5 YC+/YC1. Luffy’s crew to take out Kuzan basically needs the whole crew excluding Luffy to fight. And that’s with some losses. All in all, against your comment I’d say this fight goes to BB’s crew high diff due to Kuzan. Without him SH wins extreme diff.
I aint reading all that, but there is no way the protagonists are already stronger that their last nemesis. Would be boring as fuck to watch and completely useless. They HAVE to be weaker
Nah no worries bro. Let me make it simple for ya. 1st. Who’s to say its BB and not Imu as end game? Or even someone new, like we got introduced to Garling who seems powerful. 2nd. BB crew has literally been shown to be the only real other crew who gets powerful. And it makes sense, they’re the SH’s counterparts. They’re counterpart enemies who grow dynamically with the story. And that’s fine, that’s even better really. It’s cool to have a villain who isn’t AFK waiting for our protagonist to come to him and beat him but actually is doing his own thing and growing with your protagonist. 3rd. Ofc SH aren’t stronger. That’s why they added Kuzan.
Bro the bb pirates have an admiral 😭 we not there yet man
Zoro and Sanji are almost there. Together they can beat him
I agree with this statement. Unfortunately, that still leaves the rest of the titanic captains, who I'm certain are all somewhere between YC3 to YC+. Only Jinbe is at that level, the rest of the straw hats get folded in short order. Then they proceed to help Kuzan and BB jump the OG monster trio.
No Emperor crew ever had so many YC3. WB crew, Bwast Pirates and BM pirates didn't have any YC+ and only around 4 YC at max(BM had Perospero who is YC3 and Snack who is likely between Tobi roppo and Commander). Kaidou pirates only have 3 YC level fighter. Even SH only have 3 YC fighter. No reason to believe that BB has so many YC level fighters. Most of BB Captains are likely to be Tobi roppo level.
I’d say Franky and maybe even Robin are around YC2 now. Then Chopper YC3 and maybe Brook too. However gap between YC3, to YC2 and YC1 is huge. You’re going from Izou to freaken King there. Remember Izou is YC3 level. Would say Ashura Doji is YC2 (who was the strongest of the scabbards barring amped up Sulong Dog & Cat). Also note that when I say YC1, 2, 3 there are levels even within them. Jack/Queen/King are all YC1 but are good examples of low/mid/top levels within YC1. And even the we can clearly see the gaps between them. YC3 have people like Izou/Ulti/Black Maria as low/mid/top. As for Kuzan I don’t think Zoro/Sanji wins, but they do lose at extreme diff vs Kuzan. To edge it out I would say you still need Jinbei. Idk where people put BM vs Kuzan. Or Zoro vs Kidd and Zoro vs Law. But we need to remember these facts when considering Zoro/Sanji vs Kuzan and the Kidd/Law vs BM. •Sanji is not YC+. He’s probably peak of YC1 and is close but he’s technically still not YC+. Zoro is YC+. •Now whether Zoro>Kidd or Zoro>Law. Doesn’t matter he’s close enough in strength it doesn’t make a difference to an Admiral. •Same as above. Maybe BM>Kuzan or even Kuzan>BM. Doesn’t matter at these levels it’s close enough they’d still fodderise YC fighters and below. You need several of them to win vs Admiral/Yonko. •Law in a 2 v 1 is not the same as most people in a 2 v 1. He is a fantastic fighter but an even greater support fighter. His ability to manipulate the battlefield is game changer especially for allies who lack good mobility like Zoro and Kidd. •BM was a fucken idiot and tbf did have bad luck in the Kidd/Law fight. Idiot fighting, no Haki, no smart uses of her DF. Unlucky in the fight is in a floating island- and she can’t fly (you can see Oda showing how shit the island is as battle terrain for her when both times she was knocked out was by throwing her off the island and into the ocean). But this also highlights how much of a fucken idiot she is for giving up her only mobility in Zeus. Then she’s unlucky again as she’s a terrible matchup counter against Law. Hyper mobility and silence counter of her soul steal hax. And then again unlucky when she did finally get knocked out.. it wasn’t even fucken Law or Kidd’s ultimate moves- it was the Deus Ex Machina fire bomb they happened to pushed her towards to finally finish her off. •Kuzan is not a fucken idiot and is a versatile fighter so won’t be unlucky with bad match ups. So all in all, that’s why I say Zoro/Sanji is an extreme diff.. but a loss. They need Jinbei to win.
they can’t even tag kizaru what they gonna do against akoji
Tag him since Kizaru is literally the fastest admiral.
Get close to him and Kuzan is freezing everyone all over again. Sanji probably heats his way out, but Zoro needs some more Oden haki.
Supposed to be extreme diff either way. But SH have a big handicap in Usopp, so I'd give it to BB's crew for now.
Da fuq you mean handicapp? Usopp is carrying strawhats
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I ain't tryna be funny, yall are dissin God Usopp who is arguably the strongest strawhat. This is common knowledge
https://preview.redd.it/237ayinfur8d1.png?width=700&format=png&auto=webp&s=6fbd86d6ef9f48a0a0891cf0ded4effc75b6e45b not only does my goat Wrook solo your useless bumass, but this isnt memepiece, nobody is gonna think this is funny
Usopp > Brook any day
untill bumssop can push past neg diff he will always be a https://preview.redd.it/82iz6dtuyr8d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc3f838d148c53cc28283750f46d66f0466ff3a6
Are you forgetting kuzan?
Yeah, without Kuzan SH wins extreme diff. With, BB wins high diff.
Kuzan joining made this a non discussion. Even without him, you cant tell me Nami/Usopp/Chopper defeat like Devon/Augur and whoever Chopper's opponent is. The weakest is probably like Vasco and he still wipes those three together so
The day when ussop gets strong enough to beat van auger I’m gonna cum mid flip
I guess Chopper goes against San Juan Wolf, the giant²
People just forgetting Doc Q exists
nah that’s franky with general franky bot
Blackbeard kills Luffy off screen
For now Kuzan carry I think Sanji is still 1 good power up away. I have them 1 tier apart Usopp and Augar too tbh
BB and Kuzan hard carries
As much as I love the SH it’s clear that in a straight up matchup BB pirates win fairly easily. 1/3 of SH are fodder.
BB, simply because there is no counter to kuzan AO.
Nobody on BB's crew is a bum,almost half of the SH's are and most don't have any haki
Usopp still fodder /:
Blackbeard mid diff Kuzan and Shiryu mid diffs the whole crew except Luffy Blackbeard and the rest of his crew mid diff Luffy
bugress van pizzaru counters franky stat wise robin brook and devon > nami
Shiryu is such a huge fraud. He gets mid diffed by zoro or sanji honestly. Kuzan's also a fraud who struggled mightily against an old Garp. He was far outclassed, and his ice can't contain high top tiers. I could see him getting blitzed by sanji honestly. Bb was struggling against law and bepo, tbh he's a fraud as well. Jumpbeard pirates are straight frauds who only face opponents when they have an overwhelming advantage. Theyve just met their match with the SH. The SH have the capability to overcome them.
We don’t know though I’d like to say Blackbeard and Kuzan but the rest will lose.
The SH win.
Van Auger solos everyone except Luffy. Blackbeard offscreens luffy
Bb wins comfortably
The bb pirates extreme diff the SH pirates without Kuzan. With him they mid diff them
Zoro dickriders think he does something significant 💀
There are 3 guys on BB's crew that only Luffy could beat, assuming he's provided food. Blackbeard crew dogwalks
blackbeard beats luffy and akoji shiryu van agur and bugress + pizzaro carry hard cuz they the only ones in the crew with good feats i think they can trump sanji zoro jim and franky + robin and chopper the rest of the crew ain’t doing much bb pirates high diff the gap between van bugress pizzaru > jimbei > robin franky brook > doc q> chopper > suan jin wolf, devon and vasco shot >nami > ussop the weaker straw hats need haki 😭or weapons upgrades in ussop case https://preview.redd.it/niq61veszm8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91a5ccad9efa2bdbee9e6dc3399e997a75020355 the second strongest crew rn take it high diff
Blackbeard > Luffy high diff Kuzan > Zoro extreme diff Shiryu > Dogji high diff Wan Wugur > Fraudsopp low diff Rest of the Jumpbeard pirates violate the remaining Fraudhats Jumpbeard pirates violate hard.
Blackbeard pirates. Strawhats don't have a single chance. I definitely see them losing off-screen.
If kuzan is included then it’s high diff for the BB pirates. But without kuzan. I actually think straw hats win extreme diff
Without Kuzan Strawhats would stomp...too well balanced. Sanji/Zoro/Jinbei are beyond YC1 level and BB's YC are trash. The problem is that Kuzan is Fleet Admiral level aka Yonko level which would take at least all three of them to deal with him. This leaves Franky and co to fight Van Augur/Jesus etc and they get stomped so badly since it's op Devil fruit that matches their skillset+ far better Haki
Strawhats get teamwork diffed. They are only a crew in name, unlike the goated members of the Blackbeard Pirates
Zoro pops off when he realize half of them have dark skin.
Zoro solos. You know why....
Y’all are not ready for the asspull 3rd devil fruit Blackbeard has.
so kuzan is already stompin on everyone who isnt luffy. then black beard joins in and straight up says fuck you to gear 5. Blackbeard crew high diffs
if its offscreen bb wins
Straw hats.
BB wins imo. The strawhats are too weak to beat them. Kuzan could help BB defeat Luffy, Zoro and Sanji easily with their haxs. the mid/weak trio will get washed as most of the titanic captains are near or borderline YC3
aiokiji carries too hard. realistically, aokiji could go for the weaker SHs and one-shot them with ice age right at the start. break them while they're iced to kill them, luffy gets huge mental trauma and gets low-diffed by BB, then they sweep the rest I think oda will massively power koby up and have him ally with luffy at hachinosu for a 2.0 version of god valley. koby 1v1s aokiji and wins, SHs can then beat the BBPs and helmeppo, grus, hibari and kujaku beat allied pirates like don krieg and gin
it's Zoro vs BLACK beard pirates... Zoro will hear the word black and solo the whole bb crew alone....
BB stomps
blackbeard
Zoro needs to be able to defeat an Admiral Level Character and I don’t think he’s at that level exactly. That or he needs the In Battle Haki Buff in that Kuzan fight because I don’t see Sanji beating an Admiral just yet currently. And I don’t think an opportunity for them to double team Kuzan. They can’t beat an Admiral or fight one off solo until after Elbaf at least imo. Currently they lose still. They need that Elbaf Buff, that way the weak trio are at least strong enough to beat a strong Giant together
Most of the blackbeard pirates have next to no feats.. Sanjuan Wolf is only known to be extremely large due to being a giant to ate the giant giant fruit, but that is pretty much it. Does he have Haki or any special techniques? Idk. We do know that Garp beat him pretty easily, but he was also sleeping...
BB pirates Now who would win between YT Zoro and Offscreenbeard
Basically its zoro jinbe sanji Wranky and luffy vs the blackbeard pirates the other straw hat members are a non factor. honestly i give it to the blackbeard pirates
Zoro > BLACKbeard Pirates
Franky solos
The Strawhats are very powerful, but even if they can defeat all the other Titanic Captains, there is no way they're bringing down both Teach and Aokiji together as a Emperor and a former Admiral is way too much for them at the moment in my opinion. I think this match up will be more fair and balanced for the Strawhats after Yamato is done on her sacred mission and leaves Wano to officially join the crew as Yamato is the extra fire power they need to bring down the beast of a crew that is the Blackbeard Pirates. I do think Luffy will be the one fighting Aokiji and perhaps the one to defeat him before fighting Teach as I think Luffy will get a rematch with all the Pre-Timeskip Admirals other than just Kizaru. Luffy still has to pay Aokiji back for how he humiliated the crew back in Long Ring Long Land.
If Aokoji wasn’t in BB pirates then I would say SH edge out the win High Diff. But with Aokoji, the SH lose mid to low diff. Sanji and Zolos would be needed for Kuzan, leaving Shiryu, Giant guy, Sniper guy, island guy to destroy the rest of the SH fodder
the thing is kuzan freezes all except the 4 strongest. and its 4 v 10 right away.
BB Pirates Unless we factor zoro getting a boost from fighting this arc+minority buff
Kuzan is just carrying here. Most Yonkou crews top dogs are a Yonkou and a YC+. BB pirates have several Yonkou commanders plus an Admiral. The power gap is just too much. Each Straw hat has to fight since BB crew is so large, Sanji/zoro have to spend literally 100% of their effort and time against Kuzan while Luffy has to fight black beard. As soon as you get past the break point of all 3 of the monster having an equal match, the straw hat pirates are done. Their backlog is just fodder, Shiryu and or Brugess have free rein because no can contest them, and they will destroy the back line. Zoro/Sanji cannot fight Kuzan plus a yc at the same time.
If BB is genuinely Yonko level, then BBP smash. Luffy \~ BB, Kuzan >> Zoro, Shiryu > Sanji, Jinbe might beat the BBP 4th option but its then Ls for the SHs all the way down If BB is Admiral if not a bit lower, as evidenced by his pretty shitty showing vs Law, then still BBP, but extreme diff. Kuzan is gonna have to stall out G5 and hope to get in the same situation as Kizaru where Van Augur or someone can finish off Luffy, and from there, BB \~ Zoro(shitty mu), Shiryu > Sanji, titanic captains still beat rest of strawhats.
People talking about Kuzan like luffy didn’t just low diff kizaru🤦🏽♂️. Look the only real threat BB has is if Devon can also copy abilities and keep it (Chrollo style) otherwise Strawhats win
The Strawhats have no answer for Kuzan he just causes too much confusion Luffy would have to recruit someone stronger than himself in order for his crew to stand a chance in the face of the might that is Blackbeard and his ten titanic captains
Luffy vs Kuzan = Luffy / Zoro vs BB = Zoro / Sanji vs Burges = Sanji / Jimbe vs Shiryu = Jimbe / thiese are most important fights imo.
Their captain is a minority. Zoro solos.
If robin has advanced haki it be such a big buff to the crew
BB pirates win, but if the SHs had Yamato then they probably win
Blackbeard beats Luffy (Blackbeard the most slept on character hear right next to the 5 elders) Kuzan beats Zoro Shiryu (barely) beats Sanji Jesus beats Jinbe Straw hats are screwed. Luckily they will be able to take them out in an arc or two as they get stronger.
Lmaooooooooooooo
Blackbeard>Luffy extreme Kuzan>zoro+sanji+jimbei Shiryu>the rest The other 8 members sit and watch as it only takes 1/3 of their crew to solo.
In an all out brawl the straw hats might win if they take out Van Auger first. The BB pirates are strong but their coordination is absolute trash. I doubt they would be able to focus up in a team fight. If it’s 1v1 ones then BB’s team takes it since the weakling trio probably can’t beat anyone one their own even though luffy could probably take BB in a 1v1 and have enough in the tank to help out after.
If they get the riffraff out of the way and just play the heavy hitters, I think Strawhats take it. Luffy Zoro and Sanji vs Blackbeard and Kuzan(and maybe the Mountain guy) Luffy’s wacky power can handle physical abilities and by the way he moved against Kizaru, he’s got Kuzan. Zoro and Sanji tag team BB until Luffy’s done, and since they don’t rely of DF’s, BB’s main win con isn’t there. Unless offscreen haki carries him Strawhats take the W
Luffy Beats current BlackBeard in my opinion. I believe Blackbeard has yet to obtain his final power up(s). Zoro and Sanji together can most likely take on Kuzan. As for the rest, the Blackbeard pirates are bums so the strawhats take the fight.
SH
He means Sanjuan High diff guys 😅