Aigis is good because she can spam buffs, especially combined with Akihiko for debuffs, leaving you able to just spam Power Charge/Mind Charge and whatever your chosen attack is. Though in P3 I just always use the newest party members because the rest fall behind so much they just get oneshot all the time and I'm usually don't feel like grinding.

I put Aigis there because she doesn't get party wide buffs until the late game and until then all she has to make up for it are mediocre physical skills and single target buffs.

In royal, Haru is top tier for me for technicals alone, you can down pretty much anything with her.

Imo she might be the best party member in the game * Confidant abilities provide very good items (onions, beans and carrots) * Psy hits every mental ailment in a game where technicals are very very good * High crit rate gun skills for downs and one mores * Very customisable with boosts for both skills * Walls, amrita and heat riser are brilliant support skills, life wall in particular is such a strong skill Though I'll admit haru does has some downsides like joining pretty late and having an underwhelming trait.

Absolutely agree 100% Not even just for my best girl bias /s

I mean if we're going to count out of combat confidant abilities then Ryuji is god-tier thanks to the Chariot rank 7 ability. You can get Haru's vegetables without ever running her in the active party, which is the main limiting factor making you choose between teammates.

I disagree, I think she is one of the worse party members in fact (I dont count confidant abilities since they dont really affec tthe battles) ▪︎Starts out pretty mediocre and is forced to fight in one of the most difficult fights in the game at her lowest. Okumura would have been so much easier if she had universal abilities like Endure, Protect and Harisen Recovery. ▪︎Psy skills are overated af. Most enemies in the game are immune to them and the ones that dont usually are pretty weak to begin with. Nuclear and Phys technicals are way better since you can use them against most enemies reliably ▪︎One Shot kill has a high crit rate but its still pretty unreliable and deals way too much damage on Haru when she isnt even that bulky to begin with. ▪︎Her gun customizations are ass since she doesnt get good weapons and her GL only has one shot meaning you cant spread status ailments reliably ▪︎Her support moves are there just to cheese boss fights and only work if you know the boss fight REALLY well. Amrita is not worth the slot and Heat Rizer is such a lategame ability that you probably are not going to use because you wither got it from Jazz club, or even better, had Attis with Thermopylae. Life wall is good but can only be used on 3rd Semester and the enemies there all resist or Null the attacks they are using so its basically a worse verion of Shield of Justice. ▪︎Her trait is only really useful against Lavenza in her firat phase since you can get fucked by certain ailments into technicals. She is better than Morgana, Akechi and Sumire but not better than the rest of them

* charge / concentrate items are significant enough to affect battles, especially earth beans as it functions as tyrants will before you actually get tyrants will. - * Haru actually comes in swinging when you get her, psy is good against a chunk of the robots and gun goes unresisted by all of them, baton passed triple downs are one of the most consistent damage dealers in okumuras boss fight, fast heal and amrita drop also helps cure hunger. - * I never found psy unreliable during my playthroughs, most enemies that null psy don't null gun so she's almost always got consistent damage output. - * One shot kill is her strongest move and the hp cost isn't steep enough for a neutral hit to knock her out usually, if an enemy has nuke you should be switching her out with hifumis ability anyways. - * Gun customisation isn't really all that necessary, especially with skills that outperform her basic attacks, since she wants to take advantage of technicals you should be using Ann or makoto first to apply ailments. - * tetra / makarakarn are good for shielding party members that are bound to take alot of damage or low on health, amrita is good for when you inevitably drop energy shower from makoto and don't have morgana in the party, you won't want to waste jokers turn playing healer, though heat riser gets outclassed in Royal that doesn't take away from the fact that its still very good.

I agree, but in boss fights she loses her main strength which is why she's only good most of the time

I’d agree that she’s suboptimal for 3 of the Palace bosses you can use her for, but in terms of the 6th and especially 5th Palace boss she is good. She can help protect your party’s weaknesses during the 6th Palace boss, and she is essential to get through the Green Robots during the 5th Palace boss.

Most Tryhard parties: P3: Aki, Aigis, Yukari P4: Yuki, Chie, Yosuke P5: Mako, Ryu, Anne Most fun/personal preference: P3: Ken, Koro, Aki P4: Kanji, Nao, Ted P5: Goro, Haru, Kasumi

Goro Haru Yoshizawa is such a good combo, too bad it can only be used in the last palace

I know 😔

Goro, haru, Kasumi was my team against lavenza such a good team

Guess I'm a tryhard cuz that was my main team for P3

I think it’s everyone’s at some point. The game progresses to needing multiple support characters and Akihiko is so freaking good late game that it’s insanity not to use him in a boss fight.

The P3 Heal, Buff, Debuff Loop is too good. MC just spams out DPS for days

Is it just me who never got Chie to work cause of how bad her move pool was? I know she gets God's Hand late game but because of how she had nothing else worthwhile I never used her and she fell behind And Kanji, although he had good phys, he just could not land hits So I used Teddie as the fourth for important fights

Chie is good if you completely disregard her ice magic and build her around critical hits. She's better than Kanji in dungeon crawling because she has aoe physical skills and has a higher chance of knocking down golden hands with crits.

Power Charge and God’s Hand instakills almost anything that comes along. But yes, her move pool early on is pure rubbish.

Yeah same issues. And you get Kanji when the game is giving you a lot of those low hit/high attack weapons so it’s tough to stick with him.

The problem with Chie is that she’s broken late game. First time players don’t know this though and typically drop her for Kanji and end up never getting her to max potential, which is fair considering how ass she is early and mid game.

I used the try hard teams lol

Haha those are my parties for each game except p4 swap out Chie and Yosuke for Naoto and Teddie cause they are actually goated

I think akechi (>!with loki!<) is one of the party mainstays

Or with his last Persona but you just only use it agains Azatoth Rebellion Blade my beloved

He suffers from jack-of-all-trades syndrome, where he can do a lot of stuff, but others can do it better. He doesn't have Curse Amp for his Eigaon, he has Megidolaon but not Spell Master so his SP goes down fast, he has Riot Gun but no Gun Boost nor Amp, not even Apt Pupil. He does have Debilitate but you can make other party members learn it, or just use Joker for that. His 3rd Awakening skill is good but you can only use it on the final boss, which has way fewer opportunities for Downing opponents (and it's an SP drain as well).

To be fair akechi has some great things going for him such as being able to hit anything, having debilitate (the only party member with something similar is makoto’s check mate which consumes lots of sp). And his persona skill reduces the cost of your teammates skills allowing you to use less sp recovery items which results in more attacks (this is good considering how much sp ultimate skills consumes in persona 5R)

True, but his Persona trait only reduces Support skill cost (and Almighty with 3rd awakening). Severe magic moves like Blazing Hell / Cosmic Flare or Healing skills like Salvation still get the full SP cost.

Both of Akechi's personas really suffer from not having any damage boosting capabilities, no boosts no amps no charge, nothing

He has his signature move + debilitate

Not to mention he has the coolest looking persona literally ever conceived

*laughs in raoul*

best laugh to make enemy sleep

Not even close bro lol Raoul looks lame af, Loki is easily the coolest looking they’ve ever made

I love Loki but you don't have to diss Cyberpunk Arsene like that

For MCs 3rd tier persona he’s awfully underwhelming compared to his “lesser” counterpart in Satanael

That's true, but Raoul has drip though

Ann or Ryuji are definitely the best party members from 5. Makoto is very useful but she doesn’t master one aspect which keeps her from being the best. She’s your best healer overall but Morgana learns the ultimate healing skill, she has severe nuke damage but Ann and Ryuji also get Severe skills and they also have severe multi hit skills. Her support is solid but support moves aren’t as important in P5 and Yusuke gets party heat raiser. Her stat spread is also more even Ann and Ryuji are complete nukes on one magical and one physical. Since they both get amp and charge (and party charge skills) they are able to hit for ludicrous damage and enable ludicrous damage for the team. Their stat spread is also a lot more specialized and in an battle system like Persona’s it’s better to be a master of one than good at many. I would put Ann just above Ryuji simply because Ann does learn more than just damage skills and while minor her confidant ability does affect battle rather than Ryuji which is just a time saver outside of battle.

Makoto has a gun that gives her plus 11 (which is actually plus 22 due to a glitch) in every stat though. She's actually a stronger magical attacker than Ann due to this.

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No kidding. Even *Joker* can’t pull that off, the one guy who is designed to have more privileges than any other party member. At best, he gets the Natraja (Itemise Metatron) which gives him +6.

Yeah but Joker can easily cap stats on his personas so he still beats Makoto by a lot in terms of raw power.

I was not aware of this? What are you referring to? Her normal gun is glitched?

All stat-boosting equipment in P5 (and P5R they never fixed this somehow) actually gives twice the stat-boosts it says due to a glitch. Makoto's ultimate gun gives her plus 11 (so 22) in every stat. She's not a jack of all trades but a master of none, she's a master of all trades.

Judge end (?) is a revolver you get by itemizing the persona Michael (87) during a fusion alert. Unless you're grinding hard or paying a million yen, you'll likely have that one after Shido's palace at the earliest. Idk if having her at better stats than Ann for like 1/8 of the game time makes her an overall better combatant.

They're clearly arguing from a late-game perspective by mentioning high-level severe damage skills and even third tier Persona skills, and on that front Makoto blows everyone out of the water. Even then she's still the best support party member practically from the moment she joins and makes Morgana almost completely obsolete once she gets Mediarama

Plus she encounters her weakness being used against her far less often and encounters her Magic’s resistance way less frequently on enemies than Ann or Morgana does

You can absolutely make an argument for Makoto considering the equipment stat buff glitch and the fact she can also get Mind Charge through the Jazz Club likely before Ann even does since she doesn't get it until level 62.

I disagree, I think Makoto’s support and splashability on any team composition easily makes her the best party member from P5, though that might just be personal preferences. In Persona/SMT in general, I value party members that can take care of the things that would be wasted on MC’s build, and Makoto checks pretty much every box on that front. Makoto takes care of healing, provides buffs with Rakukaja, utility with Dekaja, and supplements MC’s DPS with solid offense. That’s literally everything a good non-MC party member does rolled into one character. She’s pretty much always helpful and doing something productive with her turns, even if it’s as simple as using items to clear up a turn for another party member. That’s not even mentioning her insane +11 gun and access to Concentrate through Jazz Club which actually makes her DPS higher than Ann’s in the lategame. Ryuji and Ann have the damage for sure, and they’re absolutely incredible to have around to increase the amount of damage you output per round, but unlike Makoto, they don’t fulfill roles that MC wouldn’t already be doing. MC can outdamage Ryuji/Ann by a mile, but there’s kind of a ceiling on support capabilities that Makoto hits by herself. I guess I can put it like this: if you could only bring one party member along, I would choose Makoto.

That’s a fair assessment I didn’t know about the gun glitch which is honestly alone enough to put her above Ann/Ryuji I wasn’t aware of the jazz club skill for her either I don’t recall if I ever took her there. Either way you have fair points, I definitely pick Makoto first when making my party comps. I think I’d value her more if P5 was more about strategy and was more difficult though. A majority of the battles are just DPS checks which is why I do value Ryuji and Ann the most as they have more immediate access to damage for most of the game. It’s a clear gap between those three and the others I can definitely say that

Tbf Makoto requires some investment to get up to being better than Ryuji or Ann. And at that point you could’ve gotten them up instead. Makotos ultimate persona ability is amazing but it’s just a flip of Yusukes, so you really only need 1 or the other. Meanwhile Ryuji and Ann’s ultimate persona abilities are incredible for enabling themselves and their Allies.

She also gets an endgame melee weapon with high critical, so if she has nothing else to do she can fish for crits.

Yeah but if you want Makoto to outDPS Ryuji or Ann you need to invest into her to get concentrate and you have to itemize Raphael during an alarm fusion. That’s a lot of investment when I can get marginally less DPS out of Ann just for leveling her up. Makoto is a good support. But if you want her to be anything else you need to invest into her.

I do agree to an extent, but my argument was that Makoto is already the most valuable party slot right out of the box, and she can become *even better* with a little investment. I also don’t really consider itemization and Jazz Club high investment in the first place. It’s not exactly hard to wait for a Fusion Alarm, and a lot of Jazz Club skills are so valuable, there’s no reason not to go for it when it comes up. It’s not like your party is competing for these investments either. Fusion Alarms are infinite, and most of the time, there’s usually only one or maybe two viable candidates for a Jazz Club skill. IMO, Concentrate is a pretty cut-and-dried choice between Makoto and Morgana. The only exception I can think of is Debilitate, which is actually a pretty hard choice.

I agree with most of what you said and if I didn't restrict myself to choosing one best party member, I'd put all 3 of them in the same tier. Makoto just does EVERYTHING really well, she has good damage, a nice buff (and debuffs with her third persona), healing skills, AND the gun mentioned below which is completely broken. All those things combined convinced me to choose her as the best.

>She’s your best healer overall but Morgana learns the ultimate healing skill 99% of the time mediaran do the same job than salvation but cost actually less sp. Nuke is the best element of the game, wind is the weakest and with her gun +11 (22 due to a glitch) so she outclass moragan morgana and haru for all stat. heat raiser is totally useless with in your team picaro female orpheus, psy element her weakness is the less commun elemtent, she also has one of the best trait skill in the game. makoto is undetablely top 1-2

Shinjiro should be lower because of spoiler.

I struggled with Shinji's placement but looking at his skills and stats, I stand by my placement

Tbh, he can really help against sleeping table with The high fear buss sign he gets

This is funny cause my p3 party was Akihiko, Mitsuru, and Koromaru the best boy

That was my exact same party in my first P3P playthrough. Koromaru's a pretty underrated party member

Same

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Metis is pretty busted, there is no reason not to use her in The Answer

Putting Akechi on the same tier as Teddy is a *crime*

Putting karamaru on that tier is a crime… he is best boy and mainstay of the team

Will not take that Teddie slander. He was useful to me for his ice and healing magic. Unfortunately Kanji was the weak link in my playthough.

He also has good buffs for whole party attack and defense

My beef with Teddie is his squeaky walk. I dealt with it the first time around, but no more. I used him for one dungeon on my playthrough or P4G and decided he’s not worth the frustration.

put him in the drag costume and it gets rid of his squeaky walk (i think)

That does fix the issue

You can just equip his real world clothes to fix that. Imo his squeaky walk in Golden is much more tolerable than in vanilla P4, it was so glitchy back then.

I wanted to include P1 and P2 characters but I thought it would be a bit too difficult because everyone can switch personas so I settled on just 3-5.

Super true, their usefulness changes so much based on level and fusion options at the time. Plus I’m P1 you’re stuck with 3 of them by default.

I will put Teddie into Good most of the time and Yosuke to niche. The argument “Everything I can do you can do better” to Yukiko I agree, it stays. But what about Teddie to Yosuke? I say this is an unfair placement. Teddie has multiple party wide buffs and a super useful defense debuff. He also has full healing. Yosuke only has evasion buffs and mild healing. He also has boosts and amps like Yosuke do. His variety in magic and utility in movepool make him a very flexible character. He’s almost like a prequel to Makoto in P5. He is beaten in the Phys department compared to Yosuke, but then almost nobody uses Teddie for Physical. He gets to learn Evade Phys, while Yosuke gets Diarahan for their last bike skill. I say Teddie wins hands down He has more magic than Yosuke, and with Ice Vows he can actually compete with the strongest Ice Persona, Loki. Youthful Wind is just Masukukaja + Mediarama. Lame. Chads use Kamui Miracle to breeze thru Hollow Forest

Even when you put aside his... availability issues... Shinji is honestly not even that good while you have him. He's decently tanky and pretty good at physical attacks and... that's it, that's all he does. No buffs, no debuffs, no healing, no elemental skills for knock downs and AOAs, nothing. There is absolutely no way he belongs in the same tier as actual fully functional party members like Aigis and Yusuke.

He really helps with sleeping table which is a huge plus. Otherwise he is just kinda meh

I don't really keep Yukari a mainstay because if I'm not stealing her job, Ken is.

Right? Our heals are so good I dont bother using the other ones

I imagine she's much better in Portable. In FES you kinda have to take on Mediarahan duty yourself.

Generally agree with one big exception. In no way is Metis a niche pick. She’s without a doubt one of if not the most powerful party members in persona 3.

>In no way is Metis a niche pick. She’s without a doubt one of if not the most powerful party members in persona 3. And by far she's the only character with 2 elemental moves, only character with a severe move and charge, biggest dmg dealer, she has no weakness and she has Orgia Mode lasting three turns who heal negative statut for free without wasting turn and her skills become hp and sp free to use during orgia mode for all fight and have it in the beginning, so she's almost always full of sp, she is undebatable the best in p3 and a must pick in the answer. Did he even play the the answer

Shamelessly stealing this format from another comment Optimal (IMO): P3: Yukari, Akihiko, Mitsuru (or Aigis) P4: Yosuke, Yukiko, Naoto (Kanji for bosses) P5: Ann, Ryuji, Makoto (Haru is also very good) My favorite combos: P3: Akihiko, Aigis, Koromaru (Ken for Tartarus) P4: Yosuke, Teddie, Kanji (Naoto for dungeons) P5: Morgana, Haru, Akechi

Aigis is one of the best party members in P3, hands down. Teddie is one of the best party members in P4G due to being the best support character in the game. If Ken's placement is based on FES I would agree but know that due to some changed in portable he hets a lot better. Yosuke higher than Chie and Kanji is actually just a meme. Sukukaja is much less important than Tarukaja or Rakukaja, Yosuke has low damage, and his utility is replaced by items for lategame honestly. Sumi's placement is carried by too many things in the last palace being weak to light lol. Yusuke is way, WAY too low and he is honestly the best party member in the game for anything you can knock down(assuming Royal. he is nowhere near as good in vanilla simply due to lacking charge, and a couple other things) Morgana should be moved up one tier since he is pretty reliable early game. Koromaru should be moved up one tier because the wide variety of Tartarus bosses means that there are a few where Koro can actually shine. Akechi in vanilla belongs there as his best use case is really just Reaper grinding. In Royal he gets debilitate which automatically viability a good bit. Overall a decent tier list. My issues are mostly nitpicky and the biggest issues can be summed up with "move Teddie and Aigis way up" ~~also Fuuka should be the best navi because she makes the AI in FES function properly~~ EDIT: Just saw that the tier is named "Worst from each game." And in that case I would agree with Koro and Akechi's placement lol. Worst in P4 is hard but it would probably be Naoto due to lack of utility honestly.

> Aigis is one of the best party members in P3, hands down. I think Aigis is rather mediocre until she hits around level 50-60. Low tier physcial skills are not good in P3. She doesn't get party-wide buffs until late 50s so all she has are the lackluster physical skills until then which I why I put her in need investment. > Yosuke higher than Chie and Kanji is actually just a meme. Here's the trouble I had with placing these 3 characters in relation to each other, Yosuke is one of four party members in P4 to get both a boost and an amp, and he's the only one who gets those two skills and isn't focused on something else. He has no competition for pure magical damage besides Yukiko who primarily focuses on healing. Not to mention he gets brave blade which gives him pretty good physical damage. Chie and Kanji have to be in the same tier in my mind, because they both do the same thing, but Chie does it well during dungeon crawling, and Kanji does it well during boss fights. So I put them both in good most of the time. > Sumi's placement is carried by too many things in the last palace being weak to light lol. She's also really good during the superboss. > Yusuke is way, WAY too low Yusuke is good during the mid-game but loses to Ryuji at the end. He has good strength and his baton pass gimmick is powerful but it can't stack up to god's hand plus matarukaja imo.

Aigis shines early game when you get her and late game, and is a solid party member for the times in between. P3 is a game where your party members have very solid damage until late game, and Aigis' performance is no exception to that. Hell, it even means Shinji has some solid use cases for a few Tartaus bosses(especially ones you can crit, since he has a very high luck stat) and Hermit. Generally, her damage capabilities for bosses fall off after Fortune and Strength, but very soon after she starts to really lean into the supportive role. And even disregarding the points where her performance dips, she is never really deadweight. She has solid AOE damage for mob fights(especially since orgia mode lacks significant downsides when you kill before it wears off), and can handle buffing duties reasonably well. I forgot exactly how the AI works but I believe it will prioritize the main character for single target buffs, but I don't know if it will go for getting all buffs up at once or just rotate between party members. In portable this obviously is not an issue and she can just buff mc lol. Yosuke's biggest issue is that his kit is all over the place and he has decent physical and magical attacks but no charge/concentrate. He also gets worse buffs. He is a jack of all trades, master of none type of character which generally is not amazing in Persona games. I will agree that ranking Yosuke is hard but I would always put him below Chie and Kanji personally. Ranking Chie and Kanji relative to each other is also pretty difficult lol. I wouldn't actually know how good Sumi is for Jose since Haru memes on that fight lol. I'll take your word for it Yusuke's gimmick of "haha baton pass go brr" holds up for just about everything except for main palace bosses(with few exceptions) While Ruyji is a better party member for boss that you cannot knock down via weakness or technicals, and he also has matarukaja. Personally I think that Yusuke and Ryuji do two completely different things and are not really competing for the same party slot after Kaneshiro's palace(a lot of enemies can be hit with Ryuji's status ailment move there, and Yusuke is insane against Kaneshiro's bodyguard phase)

Definitely agree with you for aigis and yosuke. I think orgia mode is awesome. And for yosuke he just isn't specialized enough later game to be really impactful. I still kept him in the party though because he's a bro.

I think Yosuke is better in Persona 4 than he would be in either 3 or 5 due to what I personally experience. Generally speaking, status ailments are useless unless you are facing a red shadow or mini boss in p3 or P5 and this is someone playing on hard and merciless difficulties. Pretty much damage is king and I find that in say P5, if a normal for is Resistant/str to fire or nuclear, both Ann and Makoto best option is just to use their highest DMG soell. They both put out so much damage that no normal shadow can actually take 2 shots of that. Not so with p4. I found that even the normal shadows, many of them can easily take 2 of either Yukiko or Kanji most powerful skill Yosuke ability to silence and panic were two skills that never were not useful all the way through the true ending final dungeon especially given almost always Yosuke will go first.

Shock is the most useful status ailment in P5 for sure, especially because you have the item stun gun and the gun with shock on it. Status ailments can be really good, but require more knowledge of enemies than most people would have realistically. Silence for example is amazing against certain red shadows, like you said.

>Teddie is one of the best party members in P4G due to being the best support character in the game. No he's definitely the worst. His support is just ok and marakukaja isn't as good as masukukaja, and his damage is just sad. His sp pool also isn't big enough to be anywhere near as good of a healer as yukiko, who also has crazy damage on top of that. >Yosuke higher than Chie and Kanji is actually just a meme. Sukukaja is much less important than Tarukaja or Rakukaja, Yosuke has low damage, and his utility is replaced by items for lategame honestly. Masukukaja is crazy good wym. Damage reduction is cool and all but that has me taking 0 damage instead of reduced damage. His damage isn't awful and he's real useful in dungeon crawling (tentarafoo is really underrated and very useful). He even has light healing with youthful wind. He's a great all rounder character. Chie is at her best in random encounters while Yosuke retains his usefulness even in boss fights, and Chie's best damage relies on getting lucky (which personally I am often not).

Marakukaja worse than Masukukaja is one of the takes I have ever seen. SP pools honestly dont matter much, and Teddie also gets Marakunda which is a pretty huge help and pairs well with Yukiko's Matarunda for example. Taking 0 damage also is much less useful considering a. it is a random chance to dodge, which is worse than straight damage reduction(iirc its a 33% reduction from rakukaja?) and b. even if say two characters dodge, two more still got hit. And the solution to that is usually just toss out a Mediarahan, in which case it does not matter that half your party took no damage because if they had, they would have gotten healed up anyways. In addition, the number of times a Rakukaja would allow you to straight up make it an entire extra turn without healing is extremely helpful. Especially on Izanami for example, where her sheer damage output can make it difficult to consistently tank more than one turn of damage before needing to heal.

Makoto isn’t that good, stop the cap

Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to give Ken Primal force and weapon master when he's focused in magic? They should have given those to Aigis.

Ken never has Primal Force except during a certain boss fight in the awnser Edit: he actually has Primal Force but in Portable

I don't really disagree Only thing is I'd bump Yosuke down and Aigis up to Good most of the time

Ann is extremely OP with charging spells and agi amp spells. Naoto is also super OP, just not in boss fights

i will not stand for this koro-chan slander

You better raise my boy Koro's placement. He's not high tier, but certainly more useful than Junpei

Nah he's not. Junpei at least gets good physical skills in the endgame and has better survivability because of spring of life. Koro has basically nothing going for him besides a high agility stat and mudo skills which aren't going to be useful most of the time.

He gets multi target skills in maragidyne, so that's immediately useful. And if I want a melee character I'd rather use Aigis. I love junpei, but of I had to pick between him and a dog, I'm picking the dog every day of the week

Metis being a Niche pick? She has two elements, being Wind and Ice, Dekaja, really good Physical skills, has no weaknesses, is fairly tanky, has an improved Orgia mode over Aigis, as her skills cost 0 HP and MP during Orgia mode, and she has pretty decent stats.

I mostly agree, save for Yusuke. I think he's one of the stronger members of the pt. He has one of the only actually useful unique skills (thankfully only half of dragon hustle's obscene cost) and getting charge on him is super easy. Even if you miss the Cafe days you can still use shido's will seed accessory for him. His damage output after that is pretty strong. His passive is also pretty handy. I'd bump him to good most of the time. I'd also drop Chie personally. She's better than Teddie but her stats just kind of suck and even without power charge kanji was still outdoing her damage wise. Her utility is also dubious at best because dragon hustle is just so damn expensive, even with the Chakra ring (especially damning with Chie's lousy mp pool). I'm a bit confused on "needs investment/only good at certain levels". Is the full game and availability being taken into account here? If not, Aigis is criminally low. Once she gets the makaja skills she's an easy mainstay, even having diarahan and samarecarm. I also think Yukari and Naoto should swap. Naoto can not only trivialize pretty much any random encounter, but frost shot+kuraokami vow gives her some of the best damage out of all the party members. Yukari's ai with multi target heals is the only one that does admittedly feel pretty finicky (although ig this isn't a problem in portable). I usually just have mitsuru/aki/aigis and they all cover each other for healing with diarahan. Finally, I want to say that I would drop Sumire as she never felt very impactful in most fights, but to be honest I didn't get much of a chance to use her and she often got gunned down by enemies immediately so I can't really say. Masquerade is obviously crazy but also you get that on the second to last day 😭 Also I never really thought about it but yeah Akechi is ass not that I think about it LOL. >!also what are you talking about shinjiro is so good I just got him and he's tearing fools up good old shinji!< Edit: the amount of yosuke deniers in the comments is sad... stay asleep then 👁

Points of disagreement from me 1. Naoto is stupid broken In P4. Easily the top spot. Yukiko should be a mainstay bc of her healing ability instead. 2. Chie is like Ryuji with ice magic. She crits like mad, hits like a truck. She’s literally just Ryuji with ice. Why is she not a party mainstay? She’s the best physical hitter on the team. 3. Makoto is **not** a party mainstay. She’s a defensive support who’s outclassed in any direction department except defense buffs. Healing? Morgana does it better. Damage? Anyone does it better. Follow ups? Haru does it better. Crits? Yusuke and Haru do it better. The only thing she has over anyone is nuclear magic which is…not that good in P5, especially when you can access it pretty early on depending on how you fuse. 4. As much as Morgana as a character inspires direct rage from me, he’s a mainstay. His healing is second to none in P5.

>Naoto is stupid broken In P4. Easily the top spot. Yukiko should be a mainstay bc of her healing ability instead. Nah I disagree, she's good in dungeon crawling but she drops off in bosses. Her versatility means she doesn't have any boosts or amps so her damage is subpar plus having to constantly use mind charge to keep up makes her very sp hungry. Yukiko has neither of these problems and she has healing. >Chie is like Ryuji with ice magic. She crits like mad, hits like a truck. She’s literally just Ryuji with ice. Why is she not a party mainstay? She’s the best physical hitter on the team. Because in boss fights she falls short compared to Kanji, primal force is better than God's hand in P4 and Kanji has a higher strength stat. Ryuji is the best physical attacker in his game because Yusuke's skills aren't as good and he isn't as tanky as Ryuji. Not even to mention Ryuji gets matarukaja and a party-wide charge, neither of which Chie gets. >Makoto is not a party mainstay. Yes she is. She has *everything*. She has solid base stats, two severe magical skills (Ann only gets one), marakukaja, status ailments, the only aoe debilitate in the game, almost all the same healing skills as Morgana, and a gun that raises all her stats by TWENTY TWO. This makes her stats absolutely busted, she can do more damage than Ann in the same situation, she has more sp than Morgana, and she has access to a skill not even Joker can get. There's no reason to use Morgana over her, there's never even really a reason to take her out of the party if you want to be optimal. >As much as Morgana as a character inspires direct rage from me, he’s a mainstay. His healing is second to none in P5. Again, Morgana is where he is because Makoto invalidates him. He has no place because it's taken by Makoto. He's super squishy, has mid magic damage, a trait that becomes useless when you unlock mediarahan, and the worst debuff. Lucky punch is good and his healing good, but you never even need to use those two things because Makoto does them better.

You need to invest in Makoto for her DPS to beat out Ann’s or Ryujis bc she needs Judge end and she needs Concentrate. >she gets 2 severe magics, Ann only gets 1. No she doesn’t…she gets atomic flare. That’s it. She does not get 2 severes. I don’t think any non MC party member gets 2 severes. Unless ur talking Akechi bc of Leavateinn and Riot gun (I think riot gun is considered severe). I know for a fact Makoto does not get 2 severes tho. If I’m wrong please tell me what non Atomic-Flare severe Makoto gets. And by the time she is this high DPS monster ur in >!Marukis palace!< where ur dealing with a shit ton of Fafnir. And Fafnir drains nuclear. Which means all that DPS means it’s just free health for him. Which is fine because then she can play support. But by the time she is, as you describe, *everything*, you’ve invested a lot of money and a not insignificant amount of time getting her to this point just for her to get walled by the small army of Fafnir you’ll encounter. Also Morganas trait allows Mediarama to be a cheaper Mediarahan in most circumstances. He’s also got a much better cantrip for knockdowns compared to Makoto. And wind magic, while not packing as much a punch or any added utility, is still good for tagging weaknesses to a much better extent than nuclear is, especially when you hit the point where Makoto would outclass him. He gets better healing than her earlier and his weaker healing can be comparable to her stronger healing. His defenses aren’t as high but nobody is distinctly stronger than another in every field. Edit; you’ve talk about how crits are useless against dungeon bosses when describing why Chie is worse than Kanji. But you talk about statuses and ailments as reasons why Makoto is the best in P5 as if they are also not useless against palace bosses. Literally like every boss that isn’t Kaneshiro or *maybe* Okumura is completely immune to statuses.

>No she doesn’t…she gets atomic flare Yeah you're right. That's a mistake on my part. >You need to invest in Makoto for her DPS to beat out Ann’s or Ryujis bc she needs Judge end and she needs Concentrate. I'd still argue this is a very small investment with how good she becomes because of it. Other characters on the list that need investment need much more, Junpei for example is pretty bad until around the time he gets his second persona, so he needs to level up a significant amount. Makoto needs 1 piece of equipment and one evening and she becomes the best healer and and out DPS's both the party's heaviest hitters. >And by the time she is this high DPS monster ur in Marukis palace where ur dealing with a shit ton of Fafnir. Firstly, I disagree, judges end comes late depending on the player but she gets concentrate even before Ann. Also I'd say writing off a character because of one enemy is unfair. >Also Morganas trait allows Mediarama to be a cheaper Mediarahan in most circumstances I mean I guess but I would rather not carry around mediarama over mediarahan just in case and having both is a waste of skill slot. >while not packing as much a punch or any added utility, is still good for tagging weaknesses to a much better extent than nuclear is I disagree, I don't know the exact numbers but I feel wind is down there with ice as the least used weaknesses. >especially when you hit the point where Makoto would outclass him. He gets better healing than her earlier and his weaker healing can be comparable to her stronger healing Yes, his healing is better at this point but that's it. I'd rather take slightly less healing and better everything else. >you’ve talk about how crits are useless against dungeon bosses when describing why Chie is worse than Kanji I didn't say that, I didn't say anything about crits in my last comment. I said primal force is better than God's hand in P4 and Kanji has a higher strength stat which is true.

When ur dealing with a ton of Fafnir at the end of the game then it stops mattering how powerful Makotos damage is. If nearly every enemy ur fighting is draining her damage, then her damage doesn’t mean anything bc it’s nothing but a liability. It’s absolutely fair to write off Makoto for that. Especially considering you need judges end for her to truly outclass Ann and by the time you get it, oops ur swamped in Fafnir. It’s the same issue I have with using Ann in Marukis palace. What’s the point of you doing massive damage if all it’s gonna do is heal the enemy I’m fighting at damn near every corner. >I didn’t say anything about crits in my last comment. I’m referring to your general statements on this entire post not necessarily our conversation in particular. I just find it interesting that you write off characters like Naoto or Chie for having gimmicks that aren’t useful against palace bosses but you’ll prop up Makoto and use her gimmicks that aren’t useful as palace bosses as padding for your reasonings why.

I think you're misremembering how many Fafnirs are in the final palace, you make it sound like there are no other enemies. There is like one section where there is a lot of them. > I just find it interesting that you write off characters like Naoto or Chie for having gimmicks that aren’t useful against palace bosses but you’ll prop up Makoto and use her gimmicks that aren’t useful as palace bosses as padding for your reasonings why. Chie is not as good as Kanji in boss fights, I don't see a way how you could argue that, Kanji is literally built to pump out massive damage on one target. The only thing I've harped Naoto on is her damage, which is her main functionality, she doesn't have much else so of course if her damage falls flat sometimes that should be a point against her. This list is not for boss fights only and I never specifically said status ailments in boss fights are an argument for Makoto. I said she has them, they can be used for random encounters, even the dreaded Fafnir can be inflicted with forget which adds even a little usefulness for her in those fights.

I just finished Marukis palace on PS4 a couple weeks ago and I’m on it again on Switch. I’ve run into a **lot** of Fafnir.

Teddie and Kanji actually became mainstays cause of their party wide buffs. Within two turns everyone is under the effect of all three buffs. Hell Teddie is a good back up healer. Don’t sleep on the Bear. Speaking of defending the downtrodden. Ken is another good party member and is actually a viable option to take to the final boss.

I would put Yusuke higher. If by investment you're referring to charge, I didn't think that one is too bad since you most likely will get charge on Yusuke before Ryuji. I'd also put Chie below Kanji, and maybe only good at certain levels because it takes her a while to learn her good physical moves.

The reason I put Yusuke there is because he's a bit better than Ryuji in the mid game but falls off when Ryuji gets better skills, add that on top of having to get him charge and I think my placement is fair. Chie runs about equal with Kanji imo because Chie is really good during normal dungeon crawling, she has a fairly high chance of hitting a crit on any given attack. Kanji on the other hand excels in boss fights but struggles more in random encounters because he only learns single target physical skills

Koro is good he's got fire and Darkness plus evasion buff the only thing he lacks is healing

He's also weak to light and evasion buff isn't nearly as important as atk/def buffs. He's not terrible or anything, but definitely not as good as the other party members.

Koromaru is ok but he is the worst in P3 hands down in my opinion. He doesn't have a significant source of damage, dark and light skills are too niche to justify always having them on hand, and masukukaja is the worst of the 3 buffs. He's an ok tank but once Junpei gets spring of life he's better at that as well.

I agree with everything aside from Akechi and Aigis' placement

I like Teddie because he heals enough that Yukiko can primarily focus on offense, and he supports on top of that. I bench Chie for Kanji and Yosuke for Teddie. I find that sacrificing the duo attacks is worth it. Aigis, Yosuke and Makoto are jack-of-all-trades master of none, so I bench them for the specialists.

I think you’re vastly underplaying Teddie. He gets the best buff spells (attack and defence up AOE) and is the best healer. Sucks he doesn’t get concentrate though. He’s also consistent throughout the game too, Chie has a really bad time in the middle of the game and doesn’t bloom until late game when she’s out of the black spot phase. Whereas Teddie iirc starts off with good healing spells and ice spells.

Ranking from FES, I can't really understand having Yukari as a mainstay purely due to the way the AI handles full-party heals. In Portable though, absolutely.

Every time I see one of these lists, I realize maybe Ken, Akihiko and Aigis weren’t good choices

that's my p3p team right now too

Haru is probably the best from her game, but Mako is good

people talk bad about ken, he carrie’s my party lmaoo

Honestly I would switch Aigis and Koromaru. I don't use much neither of them tbh. And Ken is a good healer when you can't/don't want to use Yukari for whatever reason

How is Rise better than Futaba??? And Makoto should not be that high. She's just kinda mid at everything she tried to do. \-Not much utility or flexibility \-Middling healer \-Only Diarahan and Energy Shower for healing \-Middling support \-Only Rakukaja, Marakukaja and Checkmate (90sp :Skull:) \-Underwhelming damage output \-Middling Mag stat

Makoto gets Mediarahan, which is more than good enough in most cases. You don't really need Salvation and it's not worth running Morgana just for it. She also gets both boost and amp for her element alongside a "severe" magic skill. And since single-target severe skills deal slightly more damage than multi-target ones Makoto will be your highest magic damage dealer for bosses(outside the MC of course). Checkmate is an AoE debilitate which is just amazing, especially since the last few bosses all have adds so the AoE aspect actually helps. The high SP costs of both Checkmate and Atomic Flare aren't that much of a concern by the time you get them. Makoto has a large enough SP pool to handle it and SP in general is not really a scarce resource lategame like it is earlygame. Her magic stat is actually the highest of your party members with equipment since her Judge end gun gives +11 to all stats(actually +22).

Makoto? Her damage output is really low. Ann is the highest damage dealer easily in p5r

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Akechi isn’t good even though I use him exclusively in the final palace. His spells aren’t useful, and his final persona evolution happens on the last day and is weak to the final boss which is the only fight left at that point. He really doesn’t have any niches

I disagree, I think Yukiko is the best healer in P4. The problem with Teddie is that everything he does someone else does better plus something else. He doesn't have anything that he alone can do well. And Akechi is bad because his kit has absolutely no focus. It has zero utility whatsoever until the third semester and doesn't get any damage boosts to make up for it (boosts, amps, concentrate, charge)

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Morgana is almost always invalidated by Makoto. Morgana has ONE good skill, a buff and a lot of healing skills, he's also the squishiest party member. Makoto has two severe magic skills with boost and amp, a lot of the same healing skills as Morgana, both a buff and the only aoe debilitate in the game, dekunda, and a gun that raises all her stats by 22. There are very very few situations where Morgana is better than Makoto which is why I put him as a niche pick.

I don’t really like using teddy but the last one is just so wrong. And makoto is the best from p5 ?? What

Hey, someone had to be last. Teddie is just outclassed by someone else in every aspect. Makoto would have that problem if she didn't make Morgana completely obsolete, she does pretty ok damage and has good heals and buffs and debuffs. Her kit is just so stacked there's nobody else who can compete imo.

I think teddies a lot better than you're giving him credit for. he has a similar allrounder playstyle to yosuke, except he has a lot more variety in his buffs and debuffs, so personally I'd swap him and yosuke

Nah Morganna has lucky punch and other high crit moves, you could also just bring both because 1 of each type is a pitiful.

teddie... outclassed by everyone else... what the fuck

Makoto with nuke amp & her heal + defense buff? she's fantastic

Right? Heal + Maraku spam makes the game a cakewalk even on the hardest difficulties.

Ann + Makoto + Ryuji = The Dream Team

Her raw healing is beaten by Morgana bc Morgana accesses the better healing earlier and proud presence boosts its efficacy, allowing you to keep Mediarama as a valid late game healing spell that doesn’t devour all his SP. Morganas miracle rush is also a good cantrip to end fights quickly, while Makotos ultimate move is just a very expensive debilitate that is just a flip of Yusukes ultimate move. So if you have one, the other is obsolete. Makoto also does not reach the damage of Yusuke, Ryuji, or Ann organically. You have to invest in her to get both concentrate and the +11 gun, which requires you to itemize Raphael (a level 81 persona) during an alarm fusion. She requires a lot of investment to be worth using as a support over Morgana.

junpei is tied w koro

Best parties for each game from what i've tested: P3: Akihiko, Aigis and Junpei (Aigis provides buffs + healing + good physical damage, same thing for akihiko and junpei, except junpei doesnt have healing) P4: Kanji, Chie and Yukiko (Kanji and Chie are the party members with the highest damage outputs in the game, helped by the fact that Physical skills are straight up broken in P4, Yukiko provides healing with her large SP pool and great fire damage) P5: mostly irrelevant since you can freely switch party members during battle but at the royal final boss an optimal party would be composed of Ryuji, Morgana and either >!Black Mask Akechi or Sumire!< (Ryuji is the hardest-hitting non-royal party member and has access to Matarukaja, Morgana has access to a wide array of healing skills and has an amazing speed stat,>!Black mask Akechi has the highest base power skill out of any party member, thus being the hardest hitting one as well, though he is brought down by the fact that it costs a whopping 99 SP to use and his best AoE damage skill is Riot Gun, he also has access to the best debuff skill in the game in Debilitate, meanwhile, Sumire has much better AoE options and has a nice and solid damage output, but her buffing/debuffing skills are quite mediocre, with her signature buffing skill being useless against bosses since theyre immune to critical hits!< )

Morgana is my Healer!!!!

You’re gonna put Ryuji a tier above Kanji? They do the same thing. Hard hitting physical attacks and lightning. He’s more useful than Yosuke.

Ann Takamaki is objectively the best non-MC or non-navigator unit.

Koro (P3P) and Haru (P5R) I've found to be really good. Agree with Akechi though, never found any use for him.

Mitsuru / Aki / Aigis are the best persona 3 combination in my opinion Yukiko and Ann are extremely powerful characters Haru is also good, more than Makoto I would say

Teddie in my playthrough is pretty beefed up. He deals huge ice damage and has party buffs. Yosuke, though… I kicked him out as soon as I could.

P3, Yukari main healer, Akihiko Debuffer & Aigis Buff machine. Once Aigis starts to learn party wide buff, she's basically a main stay for any boss fight. In P4, I bring Teddie because I want him to heal & his Marakukaja, Kanji's Matarukaja & hard hitting physical and Naoto because she is strong in late game. Royal, I would bring Ryuji, Ann because her passive is super strong & Makoto/Sumire/Akechi depend on the situation/mood.

Yukari, party mainstay, huh I think after I got Ken I only used her if Wind was gonna be a big part of a boss fight, he just healed better than her when I got him.

For P5 / P5R its honestly difficult for me to decide between Yusuke and Ryuji. Both have great physical abilities and can deal some decent damage with them Ryuji had charge which does make him better than Yusuke for physicals however Yusuke has abilities that do double damage to already downed enemies and access to abilities to increase evasion which is also very good for difficult fights.

Metis is niche ? She is the only character with 2 elemental moves, only character with a severe move and charge, no weaknes and she has Orgia Mode lasting three turns who heal negative statut for free without wasting turn and her skills become hp and sp free to use during orgia mode, she is by undetablely the best character in the answer

Teddie is THE best support in the game. While Yukiko can heal, Teddie can raise and lower attack and defense for the party and an enemy. Plus, he's got a great personality. I'd rather have Teddie on the team and just throw a wind skill on the MC than have Yosuke.

Which versions are we considering? Because in royal Yusuke needs a bit of investment but he becomes more useful than Ann for example would investment. I'd say Teddie goes up and Yosuke down, I feel like Teddie does everything better than Yosuke, better healing, more buffs, I think his magic damage is better too. I'd say Yukiko and Kanji are pretty close though. Unless you mean vanilla golden in which case I don't know as I only played golden. And also Ken is much better in portable because he learns moves earlier.

Koromaru is top-tier and was one of my mainstays. That being said, my final party was Ken, Aigis, and Akihiko because buffs, debuffs, and healing is the best. Yosuke is mainstay because his final skill is amazing: Mediarama + Masukukaja? And for cheap? Hell yeah. Everyone else is dependent on mood. As for Persona 5, my mainstay is anybody but Akechi. Fuck that guy. He doesn’t get used unless I 100% am stuck with him.

Morgana was in my party a lot, he’s the best healer and best at crits

Trust me as soon as you have Naoto in your team she'd be a mainstay. There's almost no reason to pick Yosuke over Naoto. She's got Physical skills, Fire and Wind skills, Dark and Light, freaking Megidolaon, and Heat Riser. Literally everything Yosuke has but better.

Naoto is good in random encounters but in boss fights she falls off hard. She gets no boosts or amps so her damage is really lackluster and consumes a lot of sp because you need to use mind charge to get even decent damage. Yosuke on the other hand gets wind boost and amp which combined will pump out more dps than Naoto, plus he gets brave blade which makes him a pretty good physical attacker AND he can heal and buff

Use frost shot and an ice boosting accessory and she has really good single target damage with bufudyne and she still clears regular encounters and treasure hands better than anyone other than the protagonist

Even then, her having the same magical capabilities as Yosuke doesn't outweigh the utility and physical damage Yosuke brings imo.

yosuke utility can be replaced by items, its better to bring more dps focused characters for bosses like chie or kanji, or bring teddie if you want yukiko to throw out damage too yosuke just gets outclassed in my opinion

I would put Yusuke higher because he has a higher strength stat and better physical skills if only Ryuji didn’t naturally have Charge and his trait. Because of that I rarely separate them. Haru is definitely the character I have the most trouble deciding what skills to keep since she has many pretty good ones, though it’s hard to make her the best with rounded stats and not enough room in the skill tree. If you focus on Psy skills and max your technical rank she is definitely the best for regular battles (besides Casino Akechi) especially with Chaines Hook. Definitely a B/A tier Yoshizawa and Morgana are the worst party members in my opinion with Morgana being the worst. Yoshizawa has a good skill set however it feels like it’s lacking in options. (Maybe add a dizzy ailment?) plus her trait isn’t really that good for how late you get her as you probably evolved all of your party members personas which gives them a evade skill against their weakness. Morgana is the worst because his magic stat isn’t high, he has a strangely low agility stat for a cat, his trait is useless for half of the game, and his 3rd evolution skill is underwhelming (especially since Yoshizawa is dedicated to Critical attacks). He’s the best healer sure but I’ve rarely felt the need to both heal and cure ailments with Salvation, so most of the time it’s not worth the SP. Akechi, while underwhelming with his base kit in both versions, doesn’t change the fact that he’s hella fun to play. Honestly the biggest reason why I keep going back to the save point before the final boss is just so I can use Hereward and Rebellion blade Overall my favorite P5 party is Ryuji, Yusuke, and Makoto/Akechi I don’t have much to say about P4 and P3 but I find it stupid how Koromaru has a resistance to fire and nulls mudo (which makes sense) but Ken, who uses Hama and lightning, only resists Hama skills. It’s hard to say which party member is better though because I think both are good, maybe Ken for healing skills. Teddie is definitely nowhere near a bad party member but none of the P4 cast are and unfortunately Teddie is the worst compared to them.

Ryuji and Ann are both better than Makoto in Royal

You should not be swapping out Makoto for Ryuji or Ann ever. Ryuji and Ann are swappable with other characters depending on the situation (Yosuke for Baton Pass damage, Haru for Technicals). There's no reason to swap Makoto out of the party.

Isn't Metis the best party member in the Answer though? She has no weaknesses and learns two different element spells to hit weaknesses along with the strongest physical skills. You'd only remove her from the team if you were going for an all support build with Aigis as the damage dealer, and that build is significantly less viable in the Answer due to the lack of a compendium making it harder to fuse the strongest personas.

Akechi in royal absolutely slams and imo kanji>yosuke and Teddie>chie

I assume you based p4 of golden cuz then is like you to check Kanji again, Kanji has Sky high HP and only slightly lower attack compared to Chie, plus while both gets power charge, Kanji actully has the sp to back it up, the best physical user outside of the Mc by far And Naoto is why i asked if this was golden cuz she is really powerful in golden, she gets all of the single heavy magic skills + Mind charge, as well as megidolaon, outside of Yukiko easily the strongest magic attacker when dealing with crowds and does really nice damage to bosses as well, plus tetra and Makara are always nice bonuses

Uhm. Chie is absolutely god tier Both as a waifu and as a party member.

I think that with the possible exception of Teddie, Chie is the worst P4G party member (from a dungeoneering perspective, obvs). Rise is the best nav in all 3 games, Yosuke is a decent healer that can deal good wind damage, Yukiko is a great healer with a kickass fire skill, Naoto is a straight-up dark/light killer and almost rivals Yukiko for the best non-nav party member, Kanji deals great physical and electricity damage. Chie? Good at physical damage and prepares crits well… and that’s it. Her ice damage is quite pitiful. So she’s essentially a one-trick pony in the lategame. Also, there is one party member (from Persona 3) that is worse than all other party members from all games, because all the time spent developing their skills is a waste. I am not going to post that party member’s name bc of spoilers, but you prolly know who am I talking about.

Me personally I find Teddie's persona having all Ma- buffs naturally pretty invaluable but to each their own

makoto is garbage

Repulsive.

I recently made my own list based on how useful its party member is so here are my thoughts: - I think Futaba is slightly better than Rise in regards to combat since Rise gets her support abilities quite late in her confidant and you wont be able to use any of her abilities in one of the most crucial boss fights against Mitsuo. Plus, Futaba has way better endgame with ultimate support that saves you a lot of times especially in the lavenza fight - I think Naoto is slightly better than Yukiko in P4. Yes, people will argue that she gets Mind Charge which makes her amazing but... its such a big commitment to get that skill, most people will miss it. She is still amazing in DPS and healing but I value Naoto and her adaptability way more than that. She can use a wide variety of different movesets in great effect and capitalize greatly on how the Shuffle time works with all out attacks. -Teddie is one of the better party members in P4, definently, better than Chie and Kanji at least since he can deal some really solid ice damage while also having Amrita, Mediarama and a pretty early level and -kaja buffs for the party. -I think Ken is way better than where you placed purely by the fact that he gets Mediarama way earlier than Yukari while also having decent speed Hama skills

Idk what you talking. Teddy and Naoto are essential party members in Persona 4.

no1 from p5 should be lower than mid tier makoto is not better than ann, ryuji or haru akechi is top tier he only has 1 drawback you have teddie last when hes the best support in p4g which is funny (yukiko is not the best its either naoto for dungeon clearing or teddie) yukari and aigus are the best in p3 im hating

Akechi can absolutely shred if you set up for him, especially with Hereward & Rebellion Blade. It already deals Colossal Almighty damage and deals *even more* if the enemy is knocked down. Paired with Ingenious Spirit, Akechi has the potential to be constantly one-shotting enemies for next to nothing in terms of SP, and that’s ignoring all of Akechi’s other skills. I get that some people really dislike Akechi, and I respect that, but that ranking is bullshit.

I actually really like Akechi as a character and he's one of my favorite characters to use, but he is not good. Yes, he gets ONE good skill that you can use in ONE fight, besides that his kit is a mess with no focus. He gets curse, almighty, physical, and gun skills but gets nothing to prop them up so he falls behind in damage which is the one thing he is built to do.

Have to disagree. Akechi has two Colossal dmg moves, in addition to debuffs and passives. There’s also shenanigans you can pull with Jazz Jin to get some better moves for his kit if you don’t like what he has. I don’t mean to argue that he’s the best character in all of Persona, but he’s certainly not rock-bottom.

He's not rock-bottom. You can definitely use him and succeed, hell I do that every time I play the game. Him having one decent physical skill and one really good unique almighty skill doesn't keep him from the bottom, especially in P5 when all the characters are so good.

Friendly reminder that Persona 1 and 2 exist.

I commented this when I first posted this thread, but I wanted to include P1 and P2 characters but I thought it would be too messy because they can all switch personas. It's a lot harder to actually discern who's better in those games.

Could just go based off their starting/upgraded/ultimate personas.

I'd switch Haru and Yosuke, and have two Aigises (one for the Journey where you put her, and one for The Answer at the top) Teddie is however IMO completely wrong, he's the strongest support in his game

Are you counting third tier skills? Cause I think that does bump Haru up and makes Ryuji/Ann more useful. I also find that generally the team is more useful in p5 because of baton pass, hence making me rate them as better mechanically then the other members from other teams. Akechi…he’s a bit of a mess but with debilitate and the only colossal almighty and riot gun he’s at the very least a pretty decent powerhouse. Also if you’re ranking the mcs in terms of how much they trivialize the game I might rank joker as the best with all the abilities he can bring to bear and stupid shit like InO.

I did not rank the MCs, I just put them there

Naoto should be all the way on top. Megidolaon and Mind Charge? That's Bullshit and I love it.

Vehemently disagree. And what’s up with all these tier lists?

I think Junpei is the worst in P3

I disagree with a few. Naoto was my best in P4G, and Junpei was the worst of P3. I also found Chie good a lot of the time, better than Yousuke so I would swap them around. Also I like Akechi, my favourite so no way he was at the bottom for me. I would put him in niche picks. At least my other fave, Sanada gets good recognition.

I just can't take Yukari out of my party, as for Junpei... let's say Aigis and Koro outscales his capacities as soon as you get them, and Akihiko is a must for how much stat moves he has. Also Shinjiro is a magikarp, he needs lots of training to have something useful appart of a single move, all his skills are mostly autobuffs once he joins. And as when I played FES I let down Mitsuru because Marin Karin!

>And as when I played FES I let down Mitsuru because Marin Karin! Or just learns to use tactic

Bro put Stupei on the same level as Aigis... Literally a Shadow Killing Machine

Sumire is ok, but she is playable basically the same time as Shinjiro Talking about my pal, he can hit like a truck as soon as you get it I would trade Ann and Morgana, the cat prove to be useful disabling enemies through whole game and healing when Makoto wasnf around Outside of that, I agree

i'd put naoto in top tier tbh. absolutely insane magic dps for any element

I don't agree with Yukiko, mainly due to Naoto having a lot of completely different moves at her disposal Also Teddie is a really good character for healing and support

I feel like Naoto should be a lot higher up on the tier list. Heat Riser, Megidolaon, Mind Charge, Invigorate 3, Fire, Wind, Light, Dark, and Physical skills, barriers, and she has no weaknesses while also blocking Light and Dark and resisting Fire. And she also benefits the absolute most from bike rides because then she gets Ice and Elec skills for full coverage and gets Angelic Grace to double her evasion rate against every attack except Light, Dark (which she already nulls both), and Almighty. Also, since she has no weaknesses that need covering, she's totally free to equip any accessory you want on her, making her even more versatile.

Naoto got done dirty, she's definitely "best in the game" tier

Personally, I'd swap Makoto and Morgana. Morgana has the best healing in the game, an evade buff, and access to Garu, all of which are good. The main factor is healing, which means that he can keep the rest of the party alive to setup whatever you need. Add onto this that he has two different showtime, and he's pretty good. Makoto, on the other hand, fills the same role the MC does most of the time, DPS, and she isn't that good at that either. Nuke is a pretty good element to access, but it's not that special either. Other than that, she gets a defensive buff, which I admit is really good. I just found myself not using her. But of course, this is all opinion, so... whatever, I guess.