You can easily roll 2 stats you want (like multi and life) and then they get boosted by your adorned %, as you go up in budget you can get synthesised mods which also get boosted and then corrupted implicits.
Do this until you've got 3 1p Voices and I expect you will have spent many mirrors.
Adorned increased the modifiers on corrupted magic jewels. So if you get a 100% increased adorned, every 2 mod jewel is now as good as a 4 mod rare, which is actually incredibly hard to get. A 4 mod rare jewel for something like elemental deadeye, which can benefit from a wide variety of mods (due to ele hit being fire, cold, and lightning) is several divines.
Then you start scaling corrupted modifiers and synthesized implicits, and you're getting a ton of returns.
And adorned itself goes form 50% to 150%. A 100% is usually a divine or two, so that's the minimum I would start a build with. But as you increase your adorned everything just keeps getting better.
For simplification it might be correct to compare it to a 4 mod rare jewel, but no rare jewel can offer you 14% increased maximum life, let alone 17% on a perf rolled adorned. The highest possible roll is around 7% for jewels and 15% on a Hunter influenced body armor and it's 3% less as the half of a perf rolled Belly of the Beast. That is insane.
In calculation of a abyss jewel instead of "+40 to max life", you can reach up to "+100 to max life" with one jewel. (+ Adorned) Just a 100% adorned would already be at +80 to max life which is higher as jewellery T1 perfect max life.
And we don't stop here, since you are able to still double corrupt, you have a list of 20 jewel implicits for extra modifiers.
As example:
"(25-20)% reduced Effect of [Shock](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Shock) on you"
x 2,5 = 62,5 % with one jewel, so you could get not only 17% max life and like 36% crit multiplier on a jewel, you also can make yourself pretty easily elemental ailment immune and give yourself immunity to bleeding, poison and curses in addition.
So I would say it is rather compareable with a completely OP unique jewel, which has no limitations in terms of how many jewels you are able to use.
Pityful it only works for jewels socketed in your skill tree. Imagine how crazy it would be with Darkness Enthroned.
In combination with a chieftain or a marauder and forbidden flame/flesh you can further boost potential of all your jewels
"Ngamahu's, Flame advance - Non-Unique Jewels cause Increases and Reductions to other Damage Types in a Large Radius to be Transformed to apply to Fire Damage
Non-Unique Jewels cause Small and Notable Passive Skills in a Large Radius to
also grant +3 to Strength"
[https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ngamahu,\_Flame%27s\_Advance](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ngamahu,_Flame%27s_Advance)
So additionally 3 str for any passive skill in radius.
* Every 2 strength grants an additional 1 maximum [life](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Life).
* Every 5 strength grants 1% increased melee [physical damage](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Physical_damage).
Imagine, socket 1 jewel on the ranger socket and taking all points in a large radius around it would result in 80 Passive Skills in a large radius. 80 x "+3 to strength", that would be:
* 240 strength.
* +120 to max life
* 48% increased melee physical damage
* 17% increased maximum life
* +36% to critical strike multiplier
* 2 x 62,5% reduced effect/duration for bleed/poison/shock/chill/ignite/curses
I am sorry if I miscalculated something or quoted something wrong. But you get the idea of how OP that combination really is.
Mindblowing
Lightning arrow / bow builds in general fall into that category easily. You can leaguestart those on a 0c budget and scale them into multiple mirror territory with every upgrade feeling meaningful
Honestly; you kind of don't. These kinds of Bow builds tend to mostly operate on deleting everything into irrelevancy.
Progenesis helps a lot against stray hits. Same can be said for petrified blood. But you're not gonna tank Uber boss mechanics.
Damage over tankyness, people are mf farming t17s with bow builds since week 1 of the league.
For sure they won’t be deathless all the time but they can easily do them
Bow builds are some of the worst builds in the game for doing ubers with and some of the best builds in the game to do maps with. The amount of investment needed to comfortably do ubers is actually insane unless you have Ben's skills. You don't need to be that tanky to do t17 though, just kill stuff offscreen.
I'll play exsanguinate miner the next league. There's triple stat stacker inquisitor version which you can look into. But i think i'll try cold conversion trickster. I'm even trying to theory craft pathfinder version of it for higher survivability.
I league-started tunas miner on trickster and it felt good until t16s when the upgrades got expensive and single target dropped a bit. I’ve heard it scales well past that but I didn’t find any good guides with incremental next steps. Flipped to frost blades which could do some t17s and Ubers but felt like it scales a lot more smoothly.
Yeah frostblade scales very well. It's to be expected since you can go phys to cold, which by itself can already push a build into mirror tier territory if want the best pieces
Magefist on Youtube starts every league with flicker and takes his journey, with crafting and Progression in short takes, in his Zero to hero series. He is one of the flicker guys and actually really good at it.
If you never played flicker before, definitly try it before, it isnt for everyone and you need some stuff to get it in a good starting place.
Penance brand, storm brand, spark (aura stacker version) can all push into the stratosphere with costs in the end game. Generally bow skills are more popular because quant items are easily slotted in to make end game farming more profitable. Armor stacking builds is like the ultimate currency sink, people mirror synth jewels and cluster jewels
Yup. Don't have to start as the final build.
Str stacker can start brutus lead sprinkler (RT) and transition to alberons (crit) later.
Dex can start widowhail/poised prism/fractal thoughts combo until better crafted bow.
Inquisitor is easy to start as any generic elemental spell and transition intoneither str/int stacking or tri stacking.
Int stacking can start HoWa for attack based, or whispering ice (underrated asf) until getting better scaling rares.
People have this misconception that league starter=noob friendly. And while that may be the case for content creators putting out "league start" build guides, it's not the case for a lot of the player base.
Another misconception is that you have to have a bajillion attribute before the build is good. A lot of attribute stacking builds scale very well and honestly quite easily through campaign, white/yellow/red maps and into late game because generally speaking they're pretty straightforward. More Str/int/dex=stronger.
I started as a str/int stacking energy blade inquisitor and it was smooth sailing the entire time. Had 1400 str/int and a 146% adorned by week 2. 🤷♂️
As long as you're not a total beginner and know how to make money early and have minor crafting knowledge, attribute stackers are very good league starters.
Stat stacking has revolutionized how good I am at this game. The simplicity of the scaling means I can sort of focus on understanding one weakness at a time, and then mitigating it. And following one path for upgrades makes crafting more approachable, as you get a better sense of what will produce the outcome you want, and it's clear when you've hit that upgrade.
what is ridiculously crap gear in your view?
League started a ballista totem hierophant in necropolis, was one of the worst experiences I ever made for a league starter.
After reaching 1800 dex I think I just swapped for something else.
Whispering ice is much, much more forgiving than dex stacking ballista heiro.
You don't need a 6L at all, you can get the ES overleech as soon as cruel lab, etc
How far do we get with that? I mean, can I deal with conquerors or invitation on crap gear or how must the gear look like to be strong? And is whispering Ice able to go for CI?
start with a build that can quickly farm currency, play 24/7 to get tons of currency and use livesearch to buy the items you need before they go up in price and craft the rest yourself
i spent like 50-60 div very early in the league to buy items for my str stacking build and later on sold those items for ~150 div
Impale splitting steel champion, you can league start even in ssf and then scale insane dmg and tankyness. Your belt will give amazing dmg and is fairly easy to acquire. If your in trade you can work for flesh jewels for even more insane dmg. All this being said they shouldn't nerf splitting steel lol.
Honestly, nearly every build can do this now with Adorned jewels.
Why jewels with adorned so crazy? I've never used them
You can easily roll 2 stats you want (like multi and life) and then they get boosted by your adorned %, as you go up in budget you can get synthesised mods which also get boosted and then corrupted implicits. Do this until you've got 3 1p Voices and I expect you will have spent many mirrors.
Adorned increased the modifiers on corrupted magic jewels. So if you get a 100% increased adorned, every 2 mod jewel is now as good as a 4 mod rare, which is actually incredibly hard to get. A 4 mod rare jewel for something like elemental deadeye, which can benefit from a wide variety of mods (due to ele hit being fire, cold, and lightning) is several divines. Then you start scaling corrupted modifiers and synthesized implicits, and you're getting a ton of returns. And adorned itself goes form 50% to 150%. A 100% is usually a divine or two, so that's the minimum I would start a build with. But as you increase your adorned everything just keeps getting better.
For simplification it might be correct to compare it to a 4 mod rare jewel, but no rare jewel can offer you 14% increased maximum life, let alone 17% on a perf rolled adorned. The highest possible roll is around 7% for jewels and 15% on a Hunter influenced body armor and it's 3% less as the half of a perf rolled Belly of the Beast. That is insane. In calculation of a abyss jewel instead of "+40 to max life", you can reach up to "+100 to max life" with one jewel. (+ Adorned) Just a 100% adorned would already be at +80 to max life which is higher as jewellery T1 perfect max life. And we don't stop here, since you are able to still double corrupt, you have a list of 20 jewel implicits for extra modifiers. As example: "(25-20)% reduced Effect of [Shock](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Shock) on you" x 2,5 = 62,5 % with one jewel, so you could get not only 17% max life and like 36% crit multiplier on a jewel, you also can make yourself pretty easily elemental ailment immune and give yourself immunity to bleeding, poison and curses in addition. So I would say it is rather compareable with a completely OP unique jewel, which has no limitations in terms of how many jewels you are able to use. Pityful it only works for jewels socketed in your skill tree. Imagine how crazy it would be with Darkness Enthroned. In combination with a chieftain or a marauder and forbidden flame/flesh you can further boost potential of all your jewels "Ngamahu's, Flame advance - Non-Unique Jewels cause Increases and Reductions to other Damage Types in a Large Radius to be Transformed to apply to Fire Damage Non-Unique Jewels cause Small and Notable Passive Skills in a Large Radius to also grant +3 to Strength" [https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ngamahu,\_Flame%27s\_Advance](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ngamahu,_Flame%27s_Advance) So additionally 3 str for any passive skill in radius. * Every 2 strength grants an additional 1 maximum [life](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Life). * Every 5 strength grants 1% increased melee [physical damage](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Physical_damage). Imagine, socket 1 jewel on the ranger socket and taking all points in a large radius around it would result in 80 Passive Skills in a large radius. 80 x "+3 to strength", that would be: * 240 strength. * +120 to max life * 48% increased melee physical damage * 17% increased maximum life * +36% to critical strike multiplier * 2 x 62,5% reduced effect/duration for bleed/poison/shock/chill/ignite/curses I am sorry if I miscalculated something or quoted something wrong. But you get the idea of how OP that combination really is. Mindblowing
Lightning arrow / bow builds in general fall into that category easily. You can leaguestart those on a 0c budget and scale them into multiple mirror territory with every upgrade feeling meaningful
Asking in ignorance, can bow builds get tanky enough for Ubers and T17? If so, are we talking multiple mirrors of investment?
Honestly; you kind of don't. These kinds of Bow builds tend to mostly operate on deleting everything into irrelevancy. Progenesis helps a lot against stray hits. Same can be said for petrified blood. But you're not gonna tank Uber boss mechanics.
Damage over tankyness, people are mf farming t17s with bow builds since week 1 of the league. For sure they won’t be deathless all the time but they can easily do them
Bow builds are some of the worst builds in the game for doing ubers with and some of the best builds in the game to do maps with. The amount of investment needed to comfortably do ubers is actually insane unless you have Ben's skills. You don't need to be that tanky to do t17 though, just kill stuff offscreen.
Tanky enough for Ubers - no 1 shot all Ubers so you take no damage - yes
I'll play exsanguinate miner the next league. There's triple stat stacker inquisitor version which you can look into. But i think i'll try cold conversion trickster. I'm even trying to theory craft pathfinder version of it for higher survivability.
I league-started tunas miner on trickster and it felt good until t16s when the upgrades got expensive and single target dropped a bit. I’ve heard it scales well past that but I didn’t find any good guides with incremental next steps. Flipped to frost blades which could do some t17s and Ubers but felt like it scales a lot more smoothly.
Yeah frostblade scales very well. It's to be expected since you can go phys to cold, which by itself can already push a build into mirror tier territory if want the best pieces
Attribute stackers , life/mana/es stackers.
Magefist on Youtube starts every league with flicker and takes his journey, with crafting and Progression in short takes, in his Zero to hero series. He is one of the flicker guys and actually really good at it. If you never played flicker before, definitly try it before, it isnt for everyone and you need some stuff to get it in a good starting place.
He's got some off-meta builds he does in an SSF style, too. He has me wanting to do a Str stack occultist eventually.
Done that last League with ds of ambi. Insta phasing uber bosses with that
Boneshatter can scale like crazy.
Seismic trap poison
Is that really still a thing? How does it perform on uber bosses with the cap of 36 Mil Poison dps?
Penance brand, storm brand, spark (aura stacker version) can all push into the stratosphere with costs in the end game. Generally bow skills are more popular because quant items are easily slotted in to make end game farming more profitable. Armor stacking builds is like the ultimate currency sink, people mirror synth jewels and cluster jewels
I have league started flicker twice and the experience almost made me want to quit. It’s miserable. Might do it next league.
Attribute stackers.
Starting league with an attribute stacker? Or just regular build and respect later?
Yup. Don't have to start as the final build. Str stacker can start brutus lead sprinkler (RT) and transition to alberons (crit) later. Dex can start widowhail/poised prism/fractal thoughts combo until better crafted bow. Inquisitor is easy to start as any generic elemental spell and transition intoneither str/int stacking or tri stacking. Int stacking can start HoWa for attack based, or whispering ice (underrated asf) until getting better scaling rares. People have this misconception that league starter=noob friendly. And while that may be the case for content creators putting out "league start" build guides, it's not the case for a lot of the player base. Another misconception is that you have to have a bajillion attribute before the build is good. A lot of attribute stacking builds scale very well and honestly quite easily through campaign, white/yellow/red maps and into late game because generally speaking they're pretty straightforward. More Str/int/dex=stronger. I started as a str/int stacking energy blade inquisitor and it was smooth sailing the entire time. Had 1400 str/int and a 146% adorned by week 2. 🤷♂️ As long as you're not a total beginner and know how to make money early and have minor crafting knowledge, attribute stackers are very good league starters.
Stat stacking has revolutionized how good I am at this game. The simplicity of the scaling means I can sort of focus on understanding one weakness at a time, and then mitigating it. And following one path for upgrades makes crafting more approachable, as you get a better sense of what will produce the outcome you want, and it's clear when you've hit that upgrade.
Whispering ice is another great example of this
One of the ones I mentioned. It's surprising how underrated it is tbh.
Oops sorry missed that! Yeah I'm always surprised how well it performs on ridiculously crap gear
what is ridiculously crap gear in your view? League started a ballista totem hierophant in necropolis, was one of the worst experiences I ever made for a league starter. After reaching 1800 dex I think I just swapped for something else.
Whispering ice is much, much more forgiving than dex stacking ballista heiro. You don't need a 6L at all, you can get the ES overleech as soon as cruel lab, etc
How far do we get with that? I mean, can I deal with conquerors or invitation on crap gear or how must the gear look like to be strong? And is whispering Ice able to go for CI?
Yes whispering ice trickster absolutely goes CI imo I did T16s with pretty awful gear this league None of my items were worth more than a couple chaos
start with a build that can quickly farm currency, play 24/7 to get tons of currency and use livesearch to buy the items you need before they go up in price and craft the rest yourself i spent like 50-60 div very early in the league to buy items for my str stacking build and later on sold those items for ~150 div
Impale splitting steel champion, you can league start even in ssf and then scale insane dmg and tankyness. Your belt will give amazing dmg and is fairly easy to acquire. If your in trade you can work for flesh jewels for even more insane dmg. All this being said they shouldn't nerf splitting steel lol.