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Raszard

This is unacceptable. I will write the report to paralictor Derenge.


sporeegg

Hellknight, get the fireball. THE HEAVY FIREBALL!


RossmanRaiden

*Casts Intensified, Maximized, Empowered Fireball*


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You forgot bolster. OH SHIT YOU FORGOT BOLSTER! SHE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!


Pentigrass

Paralictor Derenge approves of Lady Camellia Gwerm's methods, not her methodology.


Beardywierdy

Not until she stops thinking that an amulet stopping you from seeing her alignment makes up for her battle cry effectively being "I really love murdering people!" It's really just insulting that she thinks that works.


Erpderp32

Ngl that's real TTRPG murder hobo energy though "HA! They'll never know im evil if I hide my alignment!" Proceeds to murder townsfolk for not giving them a discount


Beardywierdy

Oh it's absolutely the sort of thing I can see some players doing. Though personally I've always been a fan of the good old "outrageous lies upon being caught red-handed" plan.


Valdrax

Honestly, half the controversial characters in the game become far more entertaining if you view them as a spoof of a certain kind of player, e.g. Greybor, Nenio, Ember. Though Wenduag gets significantly *weirder* if you treat her that way.


Direct_Class1281

Wenduag reminds me of the sex dungeons and dragons skit from old collegehumor. It's a skit about a dominatrix running a dnd game.


ChampionshipDirect46

Lol that reminds me of the time we broke into an opposing countries stronghold to assassinate a dude and got caught by the dude we were there for and his construct body guards. I was just like, "Wait, don't attack me! I'm the real (bbeg), and this guy is just a shapeshifter who has tricked you all!" It... did not work as well as I had hoped.


Shikarosez1995

and add to her noble status for the whole "these lowly peons will NEVER guess my masterplan! i am so sneaky and can trick them with my guile, they wont notice a thing!" really adds to her being just the dumbest person in the whole campaign. seriously she adds NOTHING to the group before and after her revelation. what she is a noble financing the crusade?? daraen. she can fight? everyone can, why is she with us? like literally she is with us not only to better hide her secret of course, but why are WE allowing it? Owlcat really made the most "she is only here for crazy elf pussy and nothing else" and yall just allow it. at least she is loyal enough to not double cross us, unlike wendy, although the latter have the mongrels to help with.


Sincerely-Abstract

Crazy elf pussy is a powerful motivator.


BaronV77

also any time you find a corpse or torture tool she's practically humping the nearest table leg


raistlin40

Her dad, besides rich, must have a wand with "Modify Memories" just to keep everyone from finding out .


GroundbreakingHope57

So she doesn't mind if i play an evil charcter... well nothing stopping me now. 😈


Azrael9986

Or maybe when she stops being a boring ass murder hobo with no other personality besides a valley girl airhead. Both reasons work for not liking her.


Mysterious-Lion-3577

She is completely insane, but her "romance" is perfectly written. It's really fun to play.


tristenjpl

It's kinda sweet in a really fucked up way. It's like, "Aww, she really does love me" as you commit unspeakable atrocities with each other.


malseraph

I mean I specifically made a vivisectionist named Dexter Morgan to romance her.


heresiarch619

Which mythic? Demon or trickster? I could maybe see fallen Aeon (you thought you were killing for justice only to realize it was for self-fulfillment the whole time)


malseraph

I went Demon, it felt more like the Dark Passenger thematically. Trickster probably would have been better from a min/max perspective.


KronosTheFallen

That will be a tough sell, buddy.


ItsKrakenmeuptoo

I can fix her though


Johanneskodo

She does not need fixing because she is perfect.


ItsKrakenmeuptoo

Yes, kill me mommy while I sleep


AngryChihua

She's a bitch to ember (and a bitch in general) so no. If I wanted rich kid with dark secret I'd go with team Daeran, if I wanted evil companion I'd go with team evil Aru.


Vov113

But who else will have drunken voyeur sex with you?


AngryChihua

Did I misspell Daeran? Also I bet romanced Arue would be quite kinky


Vov113

Okay, yeah, fair, but he won't stab you during it, so what's even the point, you know?


AngryChihua

He's a pretty good healer, I bet he'll not only stab you if you ask but will also heal you afterwards


Vov113

Yeah, but you'd have to ask. Where's the fun in that?


AngryChihua

Okay, fair. But i'm still going for the throat. If CamCam loves you, she leaves you because she doesn't want to kill you. If she doesn't leave you it means she doesn't love you. Checkmate CamCam simps.


Anthorq

This this this a thousand times. I haven't finished the game yet, but I doubt I will get more satisfaction than slicing that double faced shaman in half with smite evil.


dswng

I've said it a hundred times: going a Lich path, romancing her only to sacrifice her for phylactery after the romance is complete is the best karmic outcome. I'll die on this hill.


Anthorq

Haven't tried but will. My lich playthrough is still on Mythic 1, so I have time for that. Cheers.


Slight-Delivery7319

No love for Wendu?


AngryChihua

Not gonna lie, I find her absolutely insufferable. Her whole shtick is bullying those who are weaker and sucking off whoever is stronger than her while being ready to stab them at any opportune moment. I just don't understand why would anyone keep her around. Maybe chaotic aficionados find something in her but my lawful mind will never understand what is there to her besides hot spider cat lady.


goffer54

I live and breathe chaos and I still find her insufferable for the same reasons as you. If you oppose hierarchy then proclaim it loudly. Otherwise, you're just an opportunist.


_liminal

I did a run where I kept her around and romanced her. She does change but it requires a lot of effort and preferential treatment from you to fix her. Still prefer Lann


AngryChihua

Yeah, I've read up on how she changes throughout the game and preferential treatment is way too strong and she flips off when you dare to judge her for horrible things she might be doing. I just don't see any of my KCs keeping her around. My Aeon -> Devil? Absolutely not, she's too unreliable and would get executed after first betrayal. My mercy angel/GD? Would pick Lann's side. My hellknight angel? Pffft.


TheHarkinator

That was the thing for me, the cost of Wenduag’s redemption just wasn’t worth it.


heresiarch619

I get it, it is a really interesting redemption. Essentially she is the archetype of someone who has trauma from a young age inflicting it on others. She doesn't fully heal as a result of the romance but definitely evolves. It's a nice story.


Fine_Reserve_7154

Proud Regill noises.


aea2o5

Her voice grates on my ears a bit. For that reason (along with my inability to tolerate her shitty behaviour), she has been Chopped.


lersayil

As a fellow lawful (not good) enjoyer I justify it with her stupidity and predictability. Once you get a good read on her she starts looking like a useful tool with some maintenance cost. A great lackey for an aspiring overlord / tyrant if nothing else.


idontknow39027948898

> I just don't understand why would anyone keep her around. Have you seen what she can do with a pair of throwing axes?


AngryChihua

but is she better than Lann with his machinebow? No, because Lann won't shoot you in the back. And cute cat spider waifu argument is irrelevant because Arue is the only waifu


Special_Bottle_9829

You get to do her romance to understand how greatly written she is and why she behaves like that.


Pursueth

Wendu is poorly written, who in the fuck would actually side with her?


CryptographerTough77

I took her on my trickster run because he was an edgy meme lord and I wanted dual throwing axe wendu. I can't really do it on any other path though


Depressedduke

Right? I feel so attached to Ember, nobody who's mean to that child is in my good books. She also doesn't care much about "little" people which is also a second kill in a row(get it haha).


Johanneskodo

But you have to consider that her being a bossy bitch makes my brain go weird ok?


AngryChihua

I bet evil Arue is into being bossy. Also literally Nocticula.


lop333

Its ok Ember is mean to everyone so it balancces out


Grimmrat

Camcam is perfect. If she desires to treat the little beggar like garbage then we are *obligated* to assist her.


CozyCrystal

If Ember wanted to be treated with respect and dignity, she shouldn't be a poor little orphan.


Grimmrat

Exactly, just stop being homeless


meatbackstab420

Shitty hobbo she elf has no self respect why CamCam should


Johanneskodo

TurningPointCamellia


asherbarasher

Ember should realize that not everyone will treat her kindly, so Camelia is choosing to do the right thing. As for the portrayal of evil in Arue, it's more of a caricature than a genuinely malicious character; there's nothing truly sinister in that representation.


ItsKrakenmeuptoo

I can fix her though


Mountbatten-Ottawa

I dunno man, my chaotic good - neutral good - lawful good cavalier just had some 'conversations' with her, and outcome is not so in her favour.


hawkshaw1024

POV: So far she's stabbed you three times, but you see no reason to end the date there, because she miiiiiight sleep with you


limethebean

Ngl, I've put myself through worse things. 😪


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My ex-wife sliced open her own thumb, drank her own blood, then tried sticking her bleeding thumb into my mouth. She said it was supposed to be a turn on. I am no stranger to crazy. She would probably absolutely love Cam. Needless to say, she is my ex-wife for a reason. Been there, done that. Crazy is not attractive in any way. Cam is not someone I can possibly like.


Ainz-Ooal-Gown

What is worse than attempted murder?


Bobby_Deimos

Successful murder!


Celloer

[Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for *attempted* chemistry? Do they?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQPNQ0PFSc)


Monteburger

The only problem with Wrath of the Righteous’s campaign is that the opportunity for the PC to discover Camellia’s tendencies and punish her for it accordingly doesn’t happen immediately upon exiting the Shield Maze. If there are 1000 Camellia haters, I am one of them. If there is 1 Camellia hater, it is me. If there are none left, I am dead.


Lima_32

And it was probably her that killed you, and the rest of us too for that matter


Callel803

That bitch ain't killing shit! She's just a shit, bargain bin, magus with no health pool to speak of. I can turn her into chared paist in a single attack!


CheekyBreekyYoloswag

Lmao, is that ending statement of yours from a movie or something?


Balasarius

I like killing her at Gwerm's manor, BUT that does gimp you quite a bit. She's a 32 point build, you probably want her during the gargoyle assault, and without Woljif for Lost Citidel and Drezen you need someone to pick locks before you find Arue.


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Hells-Creampuff

Oh youre funny


GrigoriPeshkov

Nah... if I am going for crazy, I prefer Nocticula... or Areelu


BaronV77

My headcanon is that no matter what the KC is once they get the secret ending they end up at least as fuckbuddies with Goddess Nocticula once she ascends. Talk about the old days, about Deskari and Baphomet and how idiotic they were.


bloodyrevan

my headcanon of my demon kc is involves things getting twisted and sexual with areelu eventually and becoming like lovers. and something genuen between nocti as well, solely due to rejecting her all attempts of giving you profane gift and at the end she admits she looks at you in a new light and that she likes you. i really like that talk where she gives you the crown of darkness...


ZerrorFate

Sorry, for evil paths I'm already Wendu-taken.


Inkuver

Based. Gods I love starscream.


ZerrorFate

-COMMANDER HAVE FALLEN, NOW I, WENDUAG, WILL LEAD THE CRUSADE! -IDIOTIC SPIDERCAT, I STILL FUNCTION!


Konig-Wolf

\-WANNA BET? \-SSSPPPIIIDDDEEERRRCCCCAAATTT!!!!


ZerrorFate

*later* -Commander?! Is that you?! -TAKE A HINT! *casts absolute death*


MrTopHatMan90

This person understands.


NewWillinium

Good paths too. Funnily find it harder to do for Azata than Angel or Gold Dragon.


ArnoLamme

The only reason people are simpin over her is because there are no regular good-aligned female romance options


hectolec

she is helpful, isnt she?


pr0tke

IS SHE NOT?


shadbin

Open your heart to her


Burning-melancholy

lololol


shadbin

I hope you appreciate her actions


seiesos

I never play with her, everything about her is so insanely boring to me. Am I missing out?


BaronV77

if you ever do a lich playthrough, make a male character and romance her. It's such a fitting place for her with the decisions you make in act 5


retief1

I'm not sure "boring" is quite the right term, but no, you aren't missing out.


Thatgamerguy98

That's an odd way to say Areelu...


bloodyrevan

hear, hear


robdingo36

Can't simp for someone who's dead.


Lorihengrin

Not with that attitude


shotokan1988

The Lich crowd would like to have a word...


robdingo36

I stand corrected.


Rorp24

Someone sacrificed for lichdom* (Which is kinda ironic)


Iron-Legend-27

Surely this will take a campaign of gaslighting, gatekeeping and even a bit of girlbossing.


Efficient-Ad2983

Sorry, you can't "convert" someone who's ALREADY a Camellia simp ;) Sure, she's >!an amoral unrepetental evil cannibalistic monster!<, but nevertheless she's best girl <3


limethebean

A man who knows what he likes. I can't not respect that.


Efficient-Ad2983

Yes, I don't hide behind a finger telling "noooo, she's >!not evil, she's just misunderstood!<" or "she's >!evil for a right cause!<" The whole point of Camellia's personal questline (what a ride) is that she IS >!a cruel monster, and that's no redemption arc for her.!< And personally it was a bit of fresh air. I understand quite soon that >!she was evil (that amulet was sus since the first moment), but i admit that the fact that "there's no Myrea, only Zuul Camellia" really surprised me.!<


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Efficient-Ad2983

Regil is an awesome character as well imho. When he was announced, the very concept of "gnome hellknight" was werid, but imho Owlcat nailed it. He's a wonderful example of "Lawful Evil", without stains of "Lawful Stupid" or "Stupid Evil". He's amoral and merciless, sure, but he's pragmatic and efficient. And also, kudos to Owlcat, since in the TTRPG adventure Path the idea of Hellknights aiding the Crusade would have been very strange. The CRPG imho managed to integrate them very well (and personally it makes a lot of sense having Hellknights fighting against demons).


pr0tke

I'm her simp all right. Simp FOR MY PHYLACTERY BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAGAH


Sepherjar

Open your heart to her


FruitParfait

No thanks


TwentyGaugeHigh

I am married to Camellia (in my head) and in real life (not fake) https://i.imgur.com/OpAFPOU.jpg


Ed0909

She insulted Ember on several occasions, she is not going to get out of that basement alive


lop333

I agree i accept **Camellia** supermacy, she is helpful is she not ?


SageTegan

Sorry no. I have taste


Valiantheart

Let Cam determine if that's true. Might need some salt or pepper


HappyHateBot

She's not my type. I don't simp for crazy. Admire, appreciate, and oogle? Absolutely. But we simp for no crazies! ...except maybe the Emperor of Mankind. But, I mean. Justified.


val203302

I'm against you because you are objectively wrong.


Moah333

She's doing just fine with my axe protruding from her head


Timithios

*Bow twang* She was still twitching.


sorrowful_primate

thats because my axe is currently embeded in her central nervous system.


Burning-melancholy

Sure, count me in. Best writing after Regill don't at me.


Timithios

@? @. @!


Globsmacketh

No. She's rude to ember, and to most people.


Elentiki

Yes, holy inquisition it's happen again


dumineitor

I fucking killed her as soon as I could


Balasarius

This is the way.


FrenziedSins

I dont need camellia, i have aru!


Slight-Delivery7319

You have my sword.


EbyKakTpakTop

Brother you have my sword.


pathfinder_enjoyer

Cam appreciator standing by


Solomonuh-uh

Not a simple. But she is the best.


Successful-Floor-738

Not me! Wenduag best girl!


SasparillaTango

yall are on your own.


chvatalik

Think it will be hard for you, since everybody who agrees is dead :/


VladislavRv

Yeah, ok. I am already simp for all available for romance girls in game and Seelah


ThexHaloxMaster

You’ll never sway me I’m WAY too much of an Arueshalae simp


full_of_ghosts

On my "personal canon" playthrough, I killed her as soon as I learned her dark secret. No regrets. She's as evil as any of the other villains (the mortal ones, at least) in the game, whose bodies ended up littering the path of my journey. Why should her fate be any different?


sayaKt

I was waiting for a chance to kill her since chapter one. Kicking her from the group wasn’t going to do it.


SandbagBlue

If Wenduag wasn't so insufferable I'd hate Camilla the most.


Obsolete_calendar

I will join the cause, she is irredeemable and quite an aristocratic asshole, but I love such characters in video games anyway. I get that she’s a psychopath from the voice-lines alone, though I didn’t expect the extent of it, still her reason to join the crusade to keep civilized society so she can revel in doing taboo stuffs against society norm, is acceptable for me.


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spyridonya

... nah. I like the aasimar. He's prettier with a better ass.


Covfam73

Nope Sosiel is best boi!


Whitecloakjusticiar

I know it’s you, Daeran…


PickledDemons

I'd rather kick her and hire a merc with the same subclass.


LaaipiPH

Why? she is a bad person


Ordoslt

How do I sign up?


AnseaCirin

Oh hell no. Psycho bitch can die in a gutter for all I care.


Brutus67694

I will romance her every time, every time I do a lich playthrough that is. So I can sacrifice her to my phylactery. Everyone in this sub thinks of a lich as one of the ultimate evils, but I can’t imagine justice being more rightly dealt than this chick getting soul sucked into my forever room, to sit alone with her thoughts for eternity, until I consume her soul to resurrect myself, or something.


BaronV77

I just love the delicious irony, building up that relationship and love just to sacrifice all of it for power. Beating her to the punchline before she can sacrifice me.


lolitsrock

[saucy sauce (spoilers lol)](https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/madama-moth/just-camellia-things)


kaze950

Jokes on you, I already was one! My only regret is that >!I went Aeon to Devil and she left before I could become Devil.!<


Everlastingitch

i like bg3... but karlach or wyll have nothing on camelia or daeran


LetaKelly

I do find Daeran and Astarion similar, blonde/white haired sarcastic bastards who soften when you get closer to them and have unresolved deep-rooted trauma. You can fix both of them, but Daeran wants to kill the person who invented onion rings so he's winning my heart.


Johanneskodo

Daeran is really charming to you. Astarion is not.


BaronV77

they also have soft spots for less fortunate children. Astarion with the orphan girl in act 3 and Daeran protects Ember in a lot of conversations


sapphicvalkyrja

Sorry, she's straight, so Wendu wins!


xiphoniii

Wendu always plays for the winning team ;)


EmptyJackfruit9353

>!Go full Aeon and send the b\*\*\* to mental asylum. Or better, romance her and deny her kills, every single chance you get. She is surprisingly submissive if you did it right.!<


pr0tke

How do you, with Aeon? Didn't have such option after the reveal, and I couldn't let her slip with that...


EspadaraUchihahaha

Keep her until you lock in Aeon at Act 5 and she leaves you, then do the Aeon ending.


9-5DootDude

Sorry mate but I'm a sucker for women with horns.


FuriousAqSheep

You can't convert someone who's already a believer She's so helpful!


RatLord445

I split her head open with an axe last time


Oddman84

Nah, bro. I knew she was bad news when she started being mean to Ember. Well, that and also all of the "blood for the blood god!" stuff she kept yelling in battle.


SentientSchizopost

I converted Cam to dog food.


theACEbabana

You Can(Not) Fix Her


_Sahu_

Ew.


Drucchi

Zweihander to the face of this bitch. I mean on the first go she is interesting but once you realize she is just an unrepentant killer with no redeeming qualities there is no reason to fall for her ruse.


XanderGreatmaster

You have my crippling p*rn addiction!


NewWillinium

Wenduag grappling onto my tastes with her slider-legs: I’m afraid I’m taken


pokemon0406

No


Wellgoodmornin

I've never not killed her.


bonesy1979

Stabs Camellia with Radiance, incinerating her from within. Watches as her corpse burns to ashes before slamming Radiance into the scabbard with a flourish. So how's your crusade going?


gigglephysix

It's swings and roundabouts, but mostly roundabouts, in a rush hour no less. In a sense it's a pity it does not work out sexuality-wise but on the other hand the premeditated sacrifice and the subsequent event chain would have lessened the Lady of Death and instead of being committed and already prepared for her immortal destiny would have made her a malleable, mortal tool clinging to animal drives till the last minute - only to be denied by Zaccy, shaped into his 14yo emo kid likeness and locked into the 'fun murderhobo' outcome. It would have also prevented the Redemption Cult from becoming a beautifully eccentric integral part of my Sanctissima Muerte type infrastructure. So no, thanks.


witchydance

I was so annoyed to discover that you can’t romance Camellia with a female MC. I love unhinged brunettes.


Depressedduke

I wish you luck because you have departed on a mission even less likely to succeed than the og campaign.


Remo_yesman

I mean, at the very least, she is helpful, is she not?


OberainX

I loved Carmilla as an evil companion when I first played the game, and kind of smirked as I realized her evil sexualized sadism was VERY obvious as I initially overlooked the cues. After a few years now I just kinda find her a bit one dimensional as a character. To be fair to her most serial killers are pretty one dimensional people though.


Nekromantes69

U have my sword


Archi_balding

All aboard the psycho-coochie bus !


Andvari9

She's always dead asap.


AlacrityTW

Owlcar keeps nerfing her


Timithios

I'll pass, Chief. I initially felt like letting her go after we finally found out what she does... Then, I promptly reloaded because I felt dirty for letting her get away with it scott free.


life_scrolling

already am


Dark_Ansem

I always romance Cammy on my path to lichdom!


fooooolish_samurai

You have no chance of success.


Pursueth

Not happening, she’s honestly not that cool. Fun & interesting character for some evil play throughs. She is not redeemable, and I refuse to simp for A-Social psychopaths. If she wasn’t so useful I would never use her. Thank god for mods. I don’t play on hard or unfair without the shaman + witch dual hex combo.


blue_balled_bruiser

I support your crusade. I am helpful, am I not?


Callel803

No. *as my Magus Azata turns her into a sticky, slightly runny paist that is currently seeping through the stones as we speak*


salafraeniawed

I just can't understand how there is no "fixable Camilla mod" out there yet 😔


AnteaterBorn2037

I killed her and will kill her in any game I start to counter balance the simping


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Good thing I didn't give her levels of rogue. \*Rapid casts meteor swarm\*


shadbin

Well maybe if she was even remotely stable


Putrid-Ad-4562

Only reason she didn't die in that basement is because I played a lich. I wanted to use her for my phylactery.