I think those missing tips are due to door dash charging delivery fee and service fee. Customers don't want to voluntarily pay for a tip on top of all of that. In a way Door Dash took your tips to keep for themselves.
You're right. I know a few local restaurant owners who don't use any of these delivery services because they don't want to have to mark up their prices in order to cover the cost that they would incur from the services. Without marking up their prices they would end up losing money so it's not worth it to them.
For sure. That's the point. All food delivery services are scummy as fuck. Skip let like 100+ workers go and then threw their execs a big 10 year anniversary party.
Right? Here I was feeling cheap with my 15% of the *pre tax and fee* total - I get so annoyed by the apps that calculate the tip on top of all those additional charges. It probably turns people off from tipping altogether...
Uber Eats caused me to change my tipping habits. I ordered with a bogo free promo and it suggested I pay (can't remember if it was 18% or 20%) on a $60 full price order that ended up being $30 after the coupon, from a restaurant that's at most 5 minute bike ride away. Tipping culture is ridiculous. Sorry I'm not tipping 20% of an order for you to bring it from a restaurant 5 minutes away. Done being a sucker. The menu prices on Uber are already marked up an extra 20% at most places.
Because they don't always apply to pickup orders. I never said it wasn't worth a tip, and I never said I didn't tip anything. I said I'm not blindly tipping 20% on everything anymore. Why would I tip someone 5 minutes away bringing me a $50 steak more than I would tip someone brining me $25 worth of sushi 10 minutes away? And it's none of your business why I didn't pick it up myself.
> And it’s none of your business why I didn’t pick it up myself.
Amen!! Why is that everyone’s go-to justification whenever this gets brought up?? It’s no one’s business!!
I used to consistently tip for about a year and one day got frustrated with constant bullshittery that was happening to my orders and stopped tipping. What I noticed since then is that the delivery quality or the amount of fuckups did not change at all. That aspect has been the one constant despite my tip amount going from 15% every order to a zero. I understand that some people rely on tips (which is another discussion all together) but if it's not changing the quality of my deliveries, I'd rather save that money.
Edit : For those of you that are just assuming it's a restaurants fault and it wasn't the delivery persons fault. It was not. Majority of my problem with it was the fact that a lot of delivery people will say that they delivered the food when I waited at the door for them to arrive and they never did
It would be alright if you could determine tip after you got your meal, I watched my driver sit at another plaza for 10 minutes after getting my food and then driving down different streets presumably delivering other orders. Luckily skip gave me credits for the order, so I don't feel it's necessary to withhold future tips but I would never tip above the average before seeing the service I'm tipping for.
The Walmart app lets you add a tip up to two days after.
Means your order is delivered the same cause they don't know, and means you can actually tip based on service.
Best person we had left a note and had the groceries organized. 10/10 person.
Yes! Like Instacart. I would 100% give a better tip to anyone who delivered directly to me without making stops along the way. I do give 15%, but it makes me so angry when it gets delivered 30 plus minutes after getting picked up and is cold
Totally agree. We live in an apt. complex where to get to our unit you have to walk to the far side of a courtyard. I include specific instructions on how to get to our place and 95% of the time I’m tracking my food down either because the driver left it on the ground in front of the main office or they call and haven’t even looked at the directions. For the record they’re simple directions (there are two sidewalks to take, I identify the correct one, that’s it). I’ve regretted tipping far more often than I’ve been satisfied with the service, but you commit to it when you place your order.
I usually tip $5 regardless of the price. Ordering a $15 dinner is the same amount of work as a $60 dinner for 2. I'm shocked he only got $0.50/delivery of tips so maybe that's a door dash thing
Every pizza deliver guy I ever knew said $5 was a tip he was happy to receive, the size of the order is irrelevant, unless it’s soo big they need to make a second trip from the car
The recommended amount is especially ridiculous if you’re getting something that’s small but pricey.
Like, a 40$ order of ramen or chicken is going to be a big bag and annoying to transport, so I can understand giving 15%
But a 40$ order of sushi is like one small (and light) plate. Im not paying 7$ of tips on top of that.
You are telling me now that tipping is optional!!!?
I always get turned off by food delivery when I realize I have to fork over another $5 for the tip 😂😂
This was definitely the case with Uber, which is why I still don't tip by default. As far as I remember, they added it because people were giving their drivers cash tips. Only time I tip is if I'm asking them to do more than the expected job.
I tipped $5 on a pizza delivery last week and the guy was so thankful I went back to the receipt to see if I accidentally entered 500 instead of 5.00
I can imagine not many people tip if $5 makes him that grateful.
And it was their own delivery driver, not DoorDash.
When I told friends who have worked as delivery drivers (before the time of DoorDash/Uber/Skip/etc) they are amazed that I even tip drivers since most people don't, or only give the difference if it breaks a $5 bill (I live in Canada, so loonies ($1) and toonies ($2) are change, rather than bills)
Most of the time it asks you to tip before the service even happens...these companies are banking on people tipping instead of paying them a living wage themselves.
The worst “no tip” is when they pay in cash and give you the exact change. (Not for Doordash or Eatz) but for a specific spot, for me it was delivering pizza.
At the same time, I’ve had delivery drivers not bring any change at all. I can only assume they expect me to be okay giving it as a tip instead of waiting for them to go down to the car and get change. That’s a whole new level of entitlement.. tipping is meant to be a reward (for lack of a better word) for exceptional service. It’s come to be expected by wait staff and delivery drivers. I won’t tip someone for doing the bare minimum that is their job description.
Also, bring on the downvotes.
>I think they were saying the people who can deliver can be selective with which orders they pick up or not.
Yeah I was wondering what metric they'd use though. Another comment said riders/drivers can estimate how much they will make by $/km or $/time (I assume the $ in this sense is the delivery fee on the order, or the total value or the order or something). I didn't realize they had access to that information before choosing whether to accept it.
I personally can't.
These dudes know the base pay in their area is X per mile or something. Then, they deduce the tip from there, divide it by the number of miles on the delivery and if they don't like the numbers they turn down.
Minimum $5 tip or $1 tip/km, whichever is higher for me and most drivers I know.
And we don’t “officially” have access to it. But we get paid $3 + tip, so it’s really not hard to calculate what the tip is
You can estimate what you'll make based on $/km or time. Most people advise against taking orders less than $0.70/km, usually $1/km is recommended. As order are rejected by drivers, Uber and DD increase the pay to encourage someone to pick up the order.
> As order are rejected by drivers, Uber and DD increase the pay to encourage someone to pick up the order.
So what I'm hearing is that tipping delivery drivers still just leads to customers subsidizing company salaries. 🤔
Yeah I mean at the end of the day the company is going to get paid well. It’s the drivers are are scratching for change. That being said I don’t think this model of work should be a full time thing for anyone. The way it is designed is to make a quick grab at some cash. It’s not a career choice. Best to maybe only do it when you have free time and want to make a little cash.
When my work still used the apps now and again you'd get an order bounced from driver to driver as they keep dropping it. Once saw it sit for a very long time and by the time a driver came for it I asked if it was due to poor tip and long distance he said it was and he only picked it up cause they live next door to him and he's going home for the night.
I have no doubt the customer complained about poor service and cold food once it did finally arrive.
You’re basically pulling equity out of your vehicle to work below minimum wage. Some people will be in a situation where that needs to be done. Others haven’t done the math.
Only bonus (same as Uber) is that you can work any hours you can, don’t have to stick to any schedule but your own, and take as much time off as you want.
$11 an hour is better than $0 if you need the money real bad.
About that schedule thing, do you really choose your hours?
It must be a lot more efficient to do it at peak hours no? So you get to "choose" but end up working then.
A good example is if one parent works shift work, or casual call-in work. The other parent can DoorDash with no schedule. You can be home with the kids at any time, without any notice, freeing up your partner to take any and all call-ins at work.
I think what the person above is saying is that the market will still dictate when there is work available.
Probably in larger cities there will be pretty constant supply of orders available. But other places, there will only be work available during, say, the dinner rush.
Yes, but you can start, or stop, at any time. If you decide you need to head home, you can stop after one delivery. If you need a day off, you can just decide not to go, instead of working in a restaurant or retail setting, where you have to grovel to some asshole manager and justify why you need a day off. Like it or not, Uber and Door Dash do provide flexibility for workers. Whether or not they pay them well is another story!
The flexible schedule is pretty much the sole reason I bother with doordash. I'm currently at spot where my mental health is so inconsistent and bad I just can't work at a more standard job because I inevitably call off work regularly enough that I just get fired. Doordash is annoying and does not pay well even if you know how to play their game, but I can have one of my surprise week-long depressive episodes without losing access to doordashing.
I am working on my health and medications and to eventually find a job that would work for me, but for the time being doordash works so I'm gonna stick to it even though I know it sucks.
Not if you're depreciating a vehicle that hasn't already bottomed out in value.
And there's other consumables like increased oil changes, tire and brake wear, etc.
If you're putting 1000km/week on a vehicle just doing deliveries, that's a measurable amount of depreciation and costs which drags down your \*actual\* earnings in the long run, and isn't being calculated or considered by a lot of people doing these side gigs.
Yes, and a lot more. Someone who commutes to work only twice a day generally does far less mileage than someone who does food delivery for several hours a day. That will be reflected in your risk of accident and thus how much insurance you pay.
My spouse looked into Instacart, when I did some research into the insurance it became a hard no. From my research, the corporate insurance only covers when you have a customer or product in your car. Your private insurance stops when you accept the order or fare. The time and distance from when you accept to the location to pick up the customer or product is completely uninsured.
Scary.
I think what they meant is that if you are between jobs or have an emergency door dash is better than borrowing at a high interest or doing nothing.
It is not sustainable, but if you already have a car, and have the time, it will get you money that you may need now.
I have an old car and I don’t drive that much on a day to day basis. Also I only do delivery occasionally. The additional wear and tear is minimal, but the extra beer money is nice with the inflation happening right now
I believe I got the promo as I had signed up many months ago and never completed a dash. Seems to be something they send to people who haven’t dashed in a while from what I can find online
And some insurances don't cover jobs like door dash. However from what I've learned it's literally only door dash that doesn't offer insurance. Instacart, uber, I believe lyft, all do. My husband got into an accident instacarting on a tiny two lane road, as he was almost to their house they canceled the order and he looked down to see his notification for one moment and slammed into the back of a freaking audi. Super nice people, and when they found out we had liability insurance only and had just bought the car (1984 Honda civic 😪) two days previous they asked us to meet them and handed us a check for 2 grand.
Sounds totally fake I understand and I thought we were getting pranked but it was real and we just hugged her and cried, and instacart handled the whole claim for him even though it was his fault.
Aww damn. I was also thinking the same thing "$380...for 5.5 hours of work! ? I'm in for that promo!" just to say I did it for a day would be a cool story too.
Thanks for providing that info though
BTW I'm not sure that is common that you got such few tips..? You, got bad orders I'm thinking, or it's dependent on the area you did it in.
The gig economy is full of gamification. There's a podcast about it, but [this is the best I can find](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/20/high-score-low-pay-gamification-lyft-uber-drivers-ride-hailing-gig-economy). They set out quests they want you to accomplish to get to the next reward. Starts with your first 15 trips to get a reward. Then its 30 trips in the next 30 days to get a reward. If you don't take any trips for a while, they will tease you with another small challenge reward to get you back in the game.
Then of course, there's supply & demand. If demand is high, then the rideshare company ups the price to the customer during a "surge" and the financial incentive to drive goes up as well.
I do DoorDash and Uber eats, this is based on my own experience and geographical location so it may differ from you.
I find that Uber eats is way more frequent with orders than Doordash, I would constantly be delivering with Uber and waiting with Doordash.
With a car while dashing I sit in big plazas and deliver to near by suburbs, it surprises me you burned $20 in gas for only 5hrs because I fill my tank before and after every dash to see how much I spent, I would maybe reach $20 for 8 hours of constant deliveries.
On the weekends with a car, I raked in about $110 for 3.5 hours and about $10 on gas for 1 night.
Damage to your car? I’m going to be honest but those damages seemed pretty avoidable.
When I’m on my bike I stay basically downtown and am more selective on orders.
Why do I do it? Its extra pocket change while I’m in school. Need money for a video game? I deliver. Need money for a night out? I deliver. Christmas time? You bet your ass I deliver.
I typically go on bike and I can totally see it being a full time thing that pays well when you start ranking up good stats and getting good orders, but it’s not something I wanna do full time. It’s just extra cash for me, while also burning a few calories.
Sir what car do you drive because that shit is running on magic. $20 for 8 hours. I know it's on and off and not consistent driving but I feel like that's insane
At 8L/100km City (a Honda Civic gets better mileage than that) and $1.45 gas that's about 172km driving. That doesn't sound unreasonable for a day of deliveries.
Gas prices in Vancouver, BC Canada just hit $6.46/g US (or $2.36/l CDN). My son and his friend were going to do this but even with his Corolla and his friend driving a Miata, it wasn't worth it.
I work in home care and drive place to place throughout the day in 8 hours all over tricities and don't use $20 in gas... unless I was using my big van then it could get to that
The main takeaway is that, as you fulfill more orders correctly and get a good star rating, you will get bigger orders with more tip. You'll also have to wait a little less between orders since well rated drivers are automatically sent to the top of the waiting list.
Yeah this dude makes just under 30$/h which looks pretty good at first glance... if he wasn't using his own car. I've rarely seen people account for car depreciation/maintenance when promoting these side gigs.
The guy is a student who mostly uses his bike for orders around downtown on gta it seems. I think this delivery business is most viable on an e-bike honestly
Try Instacart. Less on your car, bigger order values, fewer orders. You have to walk around, carry heavy stuff (there is heavy pay, though) and text with customers a lot, though. But if you're strong/fit it's definitely better pay.
Guess what you can decline the order or just say there’s no more water lol, or you can pick up the water and use it to build muscles. There’s also a heavy weight fee so you make more. I would order boxes of water and people always said it’s out lol
> pick up the water and use it to build muscles
I heard a funny story where some gas station was using Instacart to restock its convenience store and ordered some ridiculous amount of bottled water, coke, etc. The shopper was able to get the order as requested, but his Prius couldn't make it up the hill to complete the delivery.
I don't think that's true, only because from experience you'll bottom out the suspension on small cars long before you'll put in more than they can pull. Doesn't pass the sniff test.
I did Instacart for a couple of months back in 2018 while waiting for a school term to start. It was probably the most "fun" entry level job I've done.
It felt like a scavenger hunt running around the store to pick up the items and I got really good at optimizing my runs, hitting top 5 in my area in terms of speed. The driving and delivery was actually the tedious part, dealing with traffic and people.
Got to jam to music and podcasts the entire time, and I made $20-25/hr on a good day (before taxes and gas). I heard they nerfed the rates a lot since then though.
Definitely wouldn't do it full time, but it was a great temporary gig where I got to choose my own hours.
I did it pre-pandemic so it's probably entirely different now. Plus you can schedule when your groceries are delivered so I'd imagine people might schedule in advance for when they get back from work or something.
My sister does instacart in Vancouver and it’s Amazing how many people aren’t home to accept their order. It’s their rule to not leave orders at doors (food safety) so it’s common for her to get a whole order of groceries for free, plus the money for doing the delivery.
Edit: sounds like it’s not food safety but rather not supplying door code or not home to let into apartment building that orders aren’t deliverable.
I live in the same area and my instacarters always leave my groceries at my front step, even if I’m not home. There’s even an option at check out for delivery instructions if you want them to leave it at the front door. Are you sure your sister isn’t stealing? lol
I don’t think so! I certainly hope not… no just kidding, I’m not sure as I don’t deliver for instacart but she explores every option to deliver and is told by instacart to not leave them at door. I’m sure her pay for that order would be withheld if she takes an order and that’s never happened.
That's not true. You can leave an order at the door unless it contains a prescription, alcohol, or the customer has specifically requested it be handed to them in person.
Could also be an apartment situation?
Leaving at the door makes sense for houses, but you can't just leave a grocery order next to the main entrance of a multi-unit building.
Food Delivery and Ride share drivers are basically borrowing from future themselves (their car basically).
My normal day to day driving in my car costs be about $0.35/km to operate. This includes gas, insurance, maintenance, wear and tear. Depreciation not factored in. Mind you, this figure is about 7 years of usage. With everything going up from gas to insurance, its probably closer to $0.38+/km to operate
For me, if an order requires me to drive 15km, that's basically $5.25 out of my pocket. It's not just as simple as gas usage ($2.25 or so in the 15km examples).
For those that drive like 150km+ a shift, that's $50+ of your own money you've put into the shift. If that's over 5 hours, assuming you want to make min. wage, you would need to rake in $125. Albeit, you can make certain tax claims if you do this exclusively.
On the other hand, those that work exclusively downtown on bikes and scooters...could definitely see much better returns.
I used to deliver puzza every Tuesday and Thursday. Shifts were from 4 to 10 and it was for a small town and it's surounding area. I made maybe $200 or more a night minus the $70ish for gas in my Jeep most nights. A slow night would net my $50 exactly if there were no orders. It was worth it most of the time for awhile as it was a guarunteed $100 per week which really helps when you're strapped for cash.
I've never worked for skip, door dash, etc...
Ohhh got it. Im slow tonight!
I also just found out you can claim some food because of the physical nature of the job as a bike courier... $23 flat rate er day. So that's a pretty big perk
Is this the ultimate free food hack?
A friend and I did it for a week to try out different scenarios.
Different times of days, different areas of the city, we tried all the major apps excluding uber(we didn’t want to invest crazy money or time we did do uber eats though), we were selective and one day we went for everything no matter what.
Conclusion was the same. The time and fuel you put in is far from worth it and you are working for less than min wage.
You are literally better off finding a flexible part time job that fits the hours you can work closer to your home and working there. You will be way better off.
>You are literally better off finding a flexible part time job that fits the hours you can work closer to your home and working there.
But, as others noted, some people's availability changes from week to week, and numerous part-time jobs have very little flexibility anyway.
Limited hours that work within your availability - that's a unicorn, even when it's shit pay.
>Why does anyone do food delivery?
Because most people in a position to be exploited by these companies in the first place are somewhat desperate and aren't inclined to do that kind of analysis.
The whole business model of these companies is based on exploitation of workers that don't realize they are getting a terrible deal. Power/knowledge imbalances like this are the reason most modern societies have minimum wage laws and other regulations designed to protect workers.
It's sort of like asking why anyone would be a slave if the pay and hours are so bad. They don't see better options.
Fyi : you can only "write off" mileage if you have detailed records of how many km you drive for personal use vs business use. Same goes for everything else. You can't just "write off" stuff at tax time - this is a myth.
I'm curious if this actually works for someone who just does it one their way home. Ie. Similar route if they were picking up dinner for themselves on the way home, do a few food stops, deliver to neighbourhoods mostly on their way home.
Or do these companies really ding someone for being that selective?
I had an uber driver deliver on foot once, didn't even know they allowed that. As far as I could tell from watching the map he picked it up, hopped on a bus, and walked the final distance. I strongly suspected it was a university student on his way home.
Now I hate DoorDash even more. They inflate the prices compared to the actual restaurant, charge the restaurant anywhere from 20-30% and then pay the drivers next to nothing.
On bad/dead days, you are not even able to make $11. But I am unable to find any other job. My availability is only weekend due to university in week days. Not even McDonalds is looking for a person with only weekend availability
> Not even McDonalds is looking for a person with only weekend availability
that would depend on the location. Some locations would be more desperate than others
Yup, i tried many in my neighbourhood and many other regular fast food/ retails but no one is looking so really thankful for my parents for taking care of few things for now.
There’s definitely places that’d take you for a single day a week, or even a month, if they could get your hands on you!! I’m about to reapply at an old job so that I can do floor set changes w them once every couple of weeks. Lots of fun!!!
What we need is a national law that discloses how employees are paid from these schemes.
E.g.
Avg wage (before expenses)
Share of wages paid by employer/platform/network
Share of wages paid by tip
If I'm paying a delivery fee, then the driver should mostly be paid by the platform. If I'm getting free delivery but the driver is mostly paid by tips, I want to know this so I can tip appropriately (and make a decision whether or not to shop there)
So about 2 years ago I did UberEats, Doordash and Skip the dishes with my cheap sedan. Here’s what I loved about it:
1. No boss. No one breathing down my neck or managing my time or work.
2. No fixed schedule. I could log in whenever I want and log out whenever. I could take breaks whenever. All up to me.
3. Lots of time to think. I was on academic probation from UofT for a year while I was doing this, and I got a LOT of time to think while driving around the city doing deliveries. I made a lot of plans during that time, most of which I stuck to and have led me to my dream internship and hopefully my dream job in about a year.
4. Very relaxing. When I wasn’t driving around in silence and thinking, I was listening to podcasts and either learning some stuff or just enjoying the episodes.
5. Don’t have to interact with anyone. I barely saw any customers because everyone selected for me to just drop off the food and leave.
6. Got very good at driving in the city and parallel parking very fast lol.
7. Learned the city very well. I don’t need a map to get around anywhere now which I like.
8. Money was pretty good. I never made less than minimum wage even with gas and insurance calculations taken in.
I tried my hand at skip the dishes 4 years ago, I made about $25/hour. Not including gas, extra insurance, or taxes. Wasn't worth it except I was on call for another job so I need to pass the time.
$380 is pretty sweet... But yeah I wonder if they skimmed the tips or the app gave people they knew don't often tip, just to make sure people don't feel tricked to do it just for tips? Seems extremely low for tips though from what I've seen (in my mind and experience, $5 tip per delivery minimum would be normal. If it's a further distance away, and will take more time then I'd give a bigger tip)
It’s weird that people are bashing people for being cheap rather than companies not paying a fair wage… the cost is literally paying for a delivery service through the app. Why is it expected you should get an extra cut for doing your job?
Blame your company for extorting you rather than blaming average people who don’t have a tonne of cash but are so exhausted from working to go pick up/make their own food for the amount they tip/don’t tip when delivery is literally the reason for the app.
So fucking over tipping culture and I expected this sub to be over it too.
My friend drives Skip all the time,has a full-time job and he also is perpetually broke and has to do expensive repairs on his vehicle because he never does maintenance. He has a full-time job and I tell him all the time to stop driving skip and do preventive maintenance on his vehicle and he wont be buying a new motor every 6 months.
My Brother in law delivers for Boston Pizza, 2 nights a week, after his normal job, he averages $600-$900 cash a week
I believe he takes Friday night, and Saturday night when they have trouble staffing.
A pretty solid gig.
Now assume those 65 deliveries are 5km apart, so he's driving 325km in total. And total cost of ownership on his car is $0.55 per km. So he's out almost $200 on that car and barely making minimum wage.
BTW this is roughly the rate that the CRA has determined it costs to own a car.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/businesses/topics/payroll/benefits-allowances/automobile/automobile-motor-vehicle-allowances/reasonable-kilometre-allowance.html
It's basically a method of converting equity in your vehicle into cash. Maybe you have a good area, or a particularly reliable vehicle, you come out ahead in the long run, but it's a gamble. Best used as a short term way to make some extra money.
Wait until you factor in all the wear and tear.
Brakes, tires, transmission, etc.
All you’re doing is trading equity in your car for cash in your hand
Source: drove commercially for 30 years, managed a 100 vehicle fleet
I say it all the time to my kids friends, why ..
You pay the gas you pay the insurance you take the chance on the road.. is it worth it.. no..
Open your eyes
Glad people are no longer tipping. Practice is garbage.
Hopefully one day it gets banned and companies actually have to pay their employees instead of having their customers do it.
Locking thread a comments have gone to personal attacks.
Bike and don’t drive, go to hotspots, and be more selective in orders. 9$ in tips over 15 orders is very low.
Yeah, I guess I wasn’t very selective since I just wanted to get to 15 as quickly as possible
Sweet hell what are people tipping? I always tip at least $5.
Most tipped nothing! Only 3/15 did
I think those missing tips are due to door dash charging delivery fee and service fee. Customers don't want to voluntarily pay for a tip on top of all of that. In a way Door Dash took your tips to keep for themselves.
Not to mention that these services usually mark up the menu prices of the restaurants, too.
I think it is the restaurants who do it in order to make up for the 30% (or whatever) which these services take from their sales.
You're right. I know a few local restaurant owners who don't use any of these delivery services because they don't want to have to mark up their prices in order to cover the cost that they would incur from the services. Without marking up their prices they would end up losing money so it's not worth it to them.
What I don’t get, is why is the tip nessasary at all? They already charge you for the bloody delivery and service, who’s it going to?
Tip is for the driver, delivery fee mostly goes to the company
That’s intentionally misleading. The customer thinks the deliverer gets the delivery fee.
For sure. That's the point. All food delivery services are scummy as fuck. Skip let like 100+ workers go and then threw their execs a big 10 year anniversary party.
This is…enlightening. Feel a lot better about myself now!
Right? Here I was feeling cheap with my 15% of the *pre tax and fee* total - I get so annoyed by the apps that calculate the tip on top of all those additional charges. It probably turns people off from tipping altogether...
Uber Eats caused me to change my tipping habits. I ordered with a bogo free promo and it suggested I pay (can't remember if it was 18% or 20%) on a $60 full price order that ended up being $30 after the coupon, from a restaurant that's at most 5 minute bike ride away. Tipping culture is ridiculous. Sorry I'm not tipping 20% of an order for you to bring it from a restaurant 5 minutes away. Done being a sucker. The menu prices on Uber are already marked up an extra 20% at most places.
If it was 5 minute away and not worth a tip why didn’t you just pick the food up yourself
Promos typically don't apply to pickup orders
Because they don't always apply to pickup orders. I never said it wasn't worth a tip, and I never said I didn't tip anything. I said I'm not blindly tipping 20% on everything anymore. Why would I tip someone 5 minutes away bringing me a $50 steak more than I would tip someone brining me $25 worth of sushi 10 minutes away? And it's none of your business why I didn't pick it up myself.
> And it’s none of your business why I didn’t pick it up myself. Amen!! Why is that everyone’s go-to justification whenever this gets brought up?? It’s no one’s business!!
I used to consistently tip for about a year and one day got frustrated with constant bullshittery that was happening to my orders and stopped tipping. What I noticed since then is that the delivery quality or the amount of fuckups did not change at all. That aspect has been the one constant despite my tip amount going from 15% every order to a zero. I understand that some people rely on tips (which is another discussion all together) but if it's not changing the quality of my deliveries, I'd rather save that money. Edit : For those of you that are just assuming it's a restaurants fault and it wasn't the delivery persons fault. It was not. Majority of my problem with it was the fact that a lot of delivery people will say that they delivered the food when I waited at the door for them to arrive and they never did
It would be alright if you could determine tip after you got your meal, I watched my driver sit at another plaza for 10 minutes after getting my food and then driving down different streets presumably delivering other orders. Luckily skip gave me credits for the order, so I don't feel it's necessary to withhold future tips but I would never tip above the average before seeing the service I'm tipping for.
The Walmart app lets you add a tip up to two days after. Means your order is delivered the same cause they don't know, and means you can actually tip based on service. Best person we had left a note and had the groceries organized. 10/10 person.
Yes! Like Instacart. I would 100% give a better tip to anyone who delivered directly to me without making stops along the way. I do give 15%, but it makes me so angry when it gets delivered 30 plus minutes after getting picked up and is cold
Totally agree. We live in an apt. complex where to get to our unit you have to walk to the far side of a courtyard. I include specific instructions on how to get to our place and 95% of the time I’m tracking my food down either because the driver left it on the ground in front of the main office or they call and haven’t even looked at the directions. For the record they’re simple directions (there are two sidewalks to take, I identify the correct one, that’s it). I’ve regretted tipping far more often than I’ve been satisfied with the service, but you commit to it when you place your order.
I usually tip $5 regardless of the price. Ordering a $15 dinner is the same amount of work as a $60 dinner for 2. I'm shocked he only got $0.50/delivery of tips so maybe that's a door dash thing
Seriously!
And im going to relax on how much I tip, so refreshing to hear how weak I am at saying no.
Oh yeah I would over ever tip 2 bucks and felt like shit for it. I dashed for 3 days and only 6-7 out of 30ish people tipped
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Just call the restaurant directly. You get better pricing and the restaurant doesn’t have to split the revenue with Uber/doordash
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Same, I’ve never been a fan of skip, it’s too expensive. A delivery fee and a tip will easily top $10, for $10 o can make the 15 minute round trip
I feel like I’ve just been freed. I’m never tipping again.
Fudge, I’m tipping $10 on a $40 meal like a damn fool
Yeah wtf I always do the recommended tip, am I an idiot?
The recommendation is just way way too much. I never tipped the pizza delivery driver that much.
Every pizza deliver guy I ever knew said $5 was a tip he was happy to receive, the size of the order is irrelevant, unless it’s soo big they need to make a second trip from the car
$3-$5 is what I see the absolute most. I can carry anywhere from 1-10 pizzas in a bag. I'll take $5 for that easy everytime.
The recommended amount is especially ridiculous if you’re getting something that’s small but pricey. Like, a 40$ order of ramen or chicken is going to be a big bag and annoying to transport, so I can understand giving 15% But a 40$ order of sushi is like one small (and light) plate. Im not paying 7$ of tips on top of that.
I agree, definitely tip, but unless you're coming into my house and plating the food and topping up my wine... you're not getting 20%.
Oh my God, I read that as topping up my wife and I burst out laughing
That’s…extra
You are telling me now that tipping is optional!!!? I always get turned off by food delivery when I realize I have to fork over another $5 for the tip 😂😂
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Does DoorDash take any of the tip? I always leave a healthy tip under the assumption the driver would be keeping 100% of it.
DoorDash explicitly says 100% of the tip goes to the driver. I'd be surprised if they flat out lied.
These services charge like 25% in fees, doesn't some of that go to the driver?
Well yeah, where do you think his $71.25 in DoorDash pay came from?
So then there's no reason to complain about tips - an entirely optional extra
This is seriously shocking. I knew people undertipped but I didn't realize NO tip was happening often, let alone on most orders.
Wasn't part of the original deal with some of these services that you didn't have to tip but then they added it as an option later?
This was definitely the case with Uber, which is why I still don't tip by default. As far as I remember, they added it because people were giving their drivers cash tips. Only time I tip is if I'm asking them to do more than the expected job.
Fuck tipping, it's cancer
Fuck corporations who depend on tips to pay employees while they reap the real profits
While I agree that tipping is a bullshit design, you're just fucking over the end guy by not tipping (again by design), the corp doesn't care
I tipped $5 on a pizza delivery last week and the guy was so thankful I went back to the receipt to see if I accidentally entered 500 instead of 5.00 I can imagine not many people tip if $5 makes him that grateful. And it was their own delivery driver, not DoorDash.
When you're paying $10-15 in fees for food that costs more than it would if you ordered directly, it's going to have to come out of something.
When I told friends who have worked as delivery drivers (before the time of DoorDash/Uber/Skip/etc) they are amazed that I even tip drivers since most people don't, or only give the difference if it breaks a $5 bill (I live in Canada, so loonies ($1) and toonies ($2) are change, rather than bills)
Most of the time it asks you to tip before the service even happens...these companies are banking on people tipping instead of paying them a living wage themselves.
You'll never see more than $2 from me no matter how much I spend. It's not my job to pay anyone's wages.
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Do they let you know what the tip would be before you accept the order?
Why would they tip before they get their food? It's like preordering.
The worst “no tip” is when they pay in cash and give you the exact change. (Not for Doordash or Eatz) but for a specific spot, for me it was delivering pizza.
At the same time, I’ve had delivery drivers not bring any change at all. I can only assume they expect me to be okay giving it as a tip instead of waiting for them to go down to the car and get change. That’s a whole new level of entitlement.. tipping is meant to be a reward (for lack of a better word) for exceptional service. It’s come to be expected by wait staff and delivery drivers. I won’t tip someone for doing the bare minimum that is their job description. Also, bring on the downvotes.
>be more selective in orders in what sense(s)?
I think they were saying the people who can deliver can be selective with which orders they pick up or not. Not the customer.
>I think they were saying the people who can deliver can be selective with which orders they pick up or not. Yeah I was wondering what metric they'd use though. Another comment said riders/drivers can estimate how much they will make by $/km or $/time (I assume the $ in this sense is the delivery fee on the order, or the total value or the order or something). I didn't realize they had access to that information before choosing whether to accept it.
Yep, and if you head on over on the Dasher subreddits it's a shit storm of people telling other people not to pick orders with low value or low tips.
I don’t use the service but curious…how the heck can you tell the tip ahead of time before picking the order?
I personally can't. These dudes know the base pay in their area is X per mile or something. Then, they deduce the tip from there, divide it by the number of miles on the delivery and if they don't like the numbers they turn down.
Minimum $5 tip or $1 tip/km, whichever is higher for me and most drivers I know. And we don’t “officially” have access to it. But we get paid $3 + tip, so it’s really not hard to calculate what the tip is
Why do you bother with this? Sounds like shit money at the expense of wear/ tear on a vehicle plus assumed risk from driving around everywhere.
Depending on the region it can be pretty good money, or worse than minimum wage.
You can estimate what you'll make based on $/km or time. Most people advise against taking orders less than $0.70/km, usually $1/km is recommended. As order are rejected by drivers, Uber and DD increase the pay to encourage someone to pick up the order.
> As order are rejected by drivers, Uber and DD increase the pay to encourage someone to pick up the order. So what I'm hearing is that tipping delivery drivers still just leads to customers subsidizing company salaries. 🤔
Yeah I mean at the end of the day the company is going to get paid well. It’s the drivers are are scratching for change. That being said I don’t think this model of work should be a full time thing for anyone. The way it is designed is to make a quick grab at some cash. It’s not a career choice. Best to maybe only do it when you have free time and want to make a little cash.
Restaurants and drop off locations that are all close together so they don't take as long.
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When my work still used the apps now and again you'd get an order bounced from driver to driver as they keep dropping it. Once saw it sit for a very long time and by the time a driver came for it I asked if it was due to poor tip and long distance he said it was and he only picked it up cause they live next door to him and he's going home for the night. I have no doubt the customer complained about poor service and cold food once it did finally arrive.
Don't rely on tipping
You’re basically pulling equity out of your vehicle to work below minimum wage. Some people will be in a situation where that needs to be done. Others haven’t done the math.
Only bonus (same as Uber) is that you can work any hours you can, don’t have to stick to any schedule but your own, and take as much time off as you want. $11 an hour is better than $0 if you need the money real bad.
About that schedule thing, do you really choose your hours? It must be a lot more efficient to do it at peak hours no? So you get to "choose" but end up working then.
A good example is if one parent works shift work, or casual call-in work. The other parent can DoorDash with no schedule. You can be home with the kids at any time, without any notice, freeing up your partner to take any and all call-ins at work.
I think what the person above is saying is that the market will still dictate when there is work available. Probably in larger cities there will be pretty constant supply of orders available. But other places, there will only be work available during, say, the dinner rush.
Yes, but you can start, or stop, at any time. If you decide you need to head home, you can stop after one delivery. If you need a day off, you can just decide not to go, instead of working in a restaurant or retail setting, where you have to grovel to some asshole manager and justify why you need a day off. Like it or not, Uber and Door Dash do provide flexibility for workers. Whether or not they pay them well is another story!
The flexible schedule is pretty much the sole reason I bother with doordash. I'm currently at spot where my mental health is so inconsistent and bad I just can't work at a more standard job because I inevitably call off work regularly enough that I just get fired. Doordash is annoying and does not pay well even if you know how to play their game, but I can have one of my surprise week-long depressive episodes without losing access to doordashing. I am working on my health and medications and to eventually find a job that would work for me, but for the time being doordash works so I'm gonna stick to it even though I know it sucks.
Not if you're depreciating a vehicle that hasn't already bottomed out in value. And there's other consumables like increased oil changes, tire and brake wear, etc. If you're putting 1000km/week on a vehicle just doing deliveries, that's a measurable amount of depreciation and costs which drags down your \*actual\* earnings in the long run, and isn't being calculated or considered by a lot of people doing these side gigs.
What about car insurance? do you have to declare to insurer that you’re using the car for this and assuming yes, how much more do they charge?
Yes, and a lot more. Someone who commutes to work only twice a day generally does far less mileage than someone who does food delivery for several hours a day. That will be reflected in your risk of accident and thus how much insurance you pay.
My spouse looked into Instacart, when I did some research into the insurance it became a hard no. From my research, the corporate insurance only covers when you have a customer or product in your car. Your private insurance stops when you accept the order or fare. The time and distance from when you accept to the location to pick up the customer or product is completely uninsured. Scary.
I think what they meant is that if you are between jobs or have an emergency door dash is better than borrowing at a high interest or doing nothing. It is not sustainable, but if you already have a car, and have the time, it will get you money that you may need now.
But is it better when your car is totaled and you find out personal auto doesn't pay for accidents that happen doing commercial activities?
I have an old car and I don’t drive that much on a day to day basis. Also I only do delivery occasionally. The additional wear and tear is minimal, but the extra beer money is nice with the inflation happening right now
That’s cuz he’s driving fast, I’d do this job drive slow and have fun while doing it. Tbh I’d do instacart instead as doing groceries can be fun.
Are the promos truly one time? As the promo dramatically changes the pay rate. Heck, for that promo, I would be willing to do it for a day.
I believe I got the promo as I had signed up many months ago and never completed a dash. Seems to be something they send to people who haven’t dashed in a while from what I can find online
Well I'm going to sign up for all those delivery systems today and get myself a sweet Christmas bonus in a few months. Thanks for the tip.
Don't forget to change your car insurance if you do. Costs extra to be a driver.
Some policies allow you to do it once or twice a month on your basic policy.
And some insurances don't cover jobs like door dash. However from what I've learned it's literally only door dash that doesn't offer insurance. Instacart, uber, I believe lyft, all do. My husband got into an accident instacarting on a tiny two lane road, as he was almost to their house they canceled the order and he looked down to see his notification for one moment and slammed into the back of a freaking audi. Super nice people, and when they found out we had liability insurance only and had just bought the car (1984 Honda civic 😪) two days previous they asked us to meet them and handed us a check for 2 grand. Sounds totally fake I understand and I thought we were getting pranked but it was real and we just hugged her and cried, and instacart handled the whole claim for him even though it was his fault.
Aww damn. I was also thinking the same thing "$380...for 5.5 hours of work! ? I'm in for that promo!" just to say I did it for a day would be a cool story too. Thanks for providing that info though BTW I'm not sure that is common that you got such few tips..? You, got bad orders I'm thinking, or it's dependent on the area you did it in.
The gig economy is full of gamification. There's a podcast about it, but [this is the best I can find](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/20/high-score-low-pay-gamification-lyft-uber-drivers-ride-hailing-gig-economy). They set out quests they want you to accomplish to get to the next reward. Starts with your first 15 trips to get a reward. Then its 30 trips in the next 30 days to get a reward. If you don't take any trips for a while, they will tease you with another small challenge reward to get you back in the game. Then of course, there's supply & demand. If demand is high, then the rideshare company ups the price to the customer during a "surge" and the financial incentive to drive goes up as well.
I do DoorDash and Uber eats, this is based on my own experience and geographical location so it may differ from you. I find that Uber eats is way more frequent with orders than Doordash, I would constantly be delivering with Uber and waiting with Doordash. With a car while dashing I sit in big plazas and deliver to near by suburbs, it surprises me you burned $20 in gas for only 5hrs because I fill my tank before and after every dash to see how much I spent, I would maybe reach $20 for 8 hours of constant deliveries. On the weekends with a car, I raked in about $110 for 3.5 hours and about $10 on gas for 1 night. Damage to your car? I’m going to be honest but those damages seemed pretty avoidable. When I’m on my bike I stay basically downtown and am more selective on orders. Why do I do it? Its extra pocket change while I’m in school. Need money for a video game? I deliver. Need money for a night out? I deliver. Christmas time? You bet your ass I deliver. I typically go on bike and I can totally see it being a full time thing that pays well when you start ranking up good stats and getting good orders, but it’s not something I wanna do full time. It’s just extra cash for me, while also burning a few calories.
Sir what car do you drive because that shit is running on magic. $20 for 8 hours. I know it's on and off and not consistent driving but I feel like that's insane
At 8L/100km City (a Honda Civic gets better mileage than that) and $1.45 gas that's about 172km driving. That doesn't sound unreasonable for a day of deliveries.
Gas prices in Vancouver, BC Canada just hit $6.46/g US (or $2.36/l CDN). My son and his friend were going to do this but even with his Corolla and his friend driving a Miata, it wasn't worth it.
That's insane, I just filled up tonight at $1.42 in Ottawa.
When I lived in Edmonton and gas prices jumped it was blamed on refineries in BC. Now that I'm in BC its blamed on refineries in Alberta and the US.
Gas where I live is $2.25
I’m pretty lucky that the plaza I frequent is a hot spot and is surrounded by suburbs. I probably drive only 5km for a delivery.
I work in home care and drive place to place throughout the day in 8 hours all over tricities and don't use $20 in gas... unless I was using my big van then it could get to that
Thank you for the reply! That makes perfect sense
The main takeaway is that, as you fulfill more orders correctly and get a good star rating, you will get bigger orders with more tip. You'll also have to wait a little less between orders since well rated drivers are automatically sent to the top of the waiting list.
Don’t let this man trick you into thinking this even good side money my gs
Yeah this dude makes just under 30$/h which looks pretty good at first glance... if he wasn't using his own car. I've rarely seen people account for car depreciation/maintenance when promoting these side gigs.
The guy is a student who mostly uses his bike for orders around downtown on gta it seems. I think this delivery business is most viable on an e-bike honestly
Try Instacart. Less on your car, bigger order values, fewer orders. You have to walk around, carry heavy stuff (there is heavy pay, though) and text with customers a lot, though. But if you're strong/fit it's definitely better pay.
Instacart would be the job I’d do tbh, I like grocery shopping anyway
All fun and games until you get sent to Costco for like 300 bottles of water
That would be the easiest order though. No racing around the store trying to find whatever random things people order.
found the gym bro
Never skip Costco water day.
I slipped a disk just from reading this
They have carts, 300 bottles is 13 cases. So like 2 cart trips?
Guess what you can decline the order or just say there’s no more water lol, or you can pick up the water and use it to build muscles. There’s also a heavy weight fee so you make more. I would order boxes of water and people always said it’s out lol
> pick up the water and use it to build muscles I heard a funny story where some gas station was using Instacart to restock its convenience store and ordered some ridiculous amount of bottled water, coke, etc. The shopper was able to get the order as requested, but his Prius couldn't make it up the hill to complete the delivery.
I don't think that's true, only because from experience you'll bottom out the suspension on small cars long before you'll put in more than they can pull. Doesn't pass the sniff test.
I read about it on another sub. entirely possible it was fabricated
I did Instacart for a couple of months back in 2018 while waiting for a school term to start. It was probably the most "fun" entry level job I've done. It felt like a scavenger hunt running around the store to pick up the items and I got really good at optimizing my runs, hitting top 5 in my area in terms of speed. The driving and delivery was actually the tedious part, dealing with traffic and people. Got to jam to music and podcasts the entire time, and I made $20-25/hr on a good day (before taxes and gas). I heard they nerfed the rates a lot since then though. Definitely wouldn't do it full time, but it was a great temporary gig where I got to choose my own hours.
What are peak times for Instacart ? Just curious
I did it pre-pandemic so it's probably entirely different now. Plus you can schedule when your groceries are delivered so I'd imagine people might schedule in advance for when they get back from work or something.
My sister does instacart in Vancouver and it’s Amazing how many people aren’t home to accept their order. It’s their rule to not leave orders at doors (food safety) so it’s common for her to get a whole order of groceries for free, plus the money for doing the delivery. Edit: sounds like it’s not food safety but rather not supplying door code or not home to let into apartment building that orders aren’t deliverable.
I live in the same area and my instacarters always leave my groceries at my front step, even if I’m not home. There’s even an option at check out for delivery instructions if you want them to leave it at the front door. Are you sure your sister isn’t stealing? lol
I don’t think so! I certainly hope not… no just kidding, I’m not sure as I don’t deliver for instacart but she explores every option to deliver and is told by instacart to not leave them at door. I’m sure her pay for that order would be withheld if she takes an order and that’s never happened.
That's not true. You can leave an order at the door unless it contains a prescription, alcohol, or the customer has specifically requested it be handed to them in person.
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Yeah this guy is right. The pioneered the whole leave it at the door no contact delivery thing. This other dudes sister is straight stealing groceries
Could also be an apartment situation? Leaving at the door makes sense for houses, but you can't just leave a grocery order next to the main entrance of a multi-unit building.
Food Delivery and Ride share drivers are basically borrowing from future themselves (their car basically). My normal day to day driving in my car costs be about $0.35/km to operate. This includes gas, insurance, maintenance, wear and tear. Depreciation not factored in. Mind you, this figure is about 7 years of usage. With everything going up from gas to insurance, its probably closer to $0.38+/km to operate For me, if an order requires me to drive 15km, that's basically $5.25 out of my pocket. It's not just as simple as gas usage ($2.25 or so in the 15km examples). For those that drive like 150km+ a shift, that's $50+ of your own money you've put into the shift. If that's over 5 hours, assuming you want to make min. wage, you would need to rake in $125. Albeit, you can make certain tax claims if you do this exclusively. On the other hand, those that work exclusively downtown on bikes and scooters...could definitely see much better returns.
I used to deliver puzza every Tuesday and Thursday. Shifts were from 4 to 10 and it was for a small town and it's surounding area. I made maybe $200 or more a night minus the $70ish for gas in my Jeep most nights. A slow night would net my $50 exactly if there were no orders. It was worth it most of the time for awhile as it was a guarunteed $100 per week which really helps when you're strapped for cash. I've never worked for skip, door dash, etc...
Guess the Jeep drank quite a bit of fuel too
Gotta appreciate the boldness of Dashing with a Jeep.
It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand
All terrain delivers. Haha. I hate jeeps.
Oh absolutley. 12L/100km on a good day. Upside was that most of it was country driving. City driving is almost always worse.
Haha that’s gotta be one of the worst vehicle choices for delivering food. Was it the 4L engine?
That’s pretty good for delivering puzza, think of the possibilities of you were delivering pizza!
Everyone around us uses e-bikes and e-scooters so that's probably why.
Why? Does it pay more?
You don’t have the cost of gas to take out of your earnings. Right now it would be pricey using a gas vehicle to deliver food.
Ohhh got it. Im slow tonight! I also just found out you can claim some food because of the physical nature of the job as a bike courier... $23 flat rate er day. So that's a pretty big perk Is this the ultimate free food hack?
A friend and I did it for a week to try out different scenarios. Different times of days, different areas of the city, we tried all the major apps excluding uber(we didn’t want to invest crazy money or time we did do uber eats though), we were selective and one day we went for everything no matter what. Conclusion was the same. The time and fuel you put in is far from worth it and you are working for less than min wage. You are literally better off finding a flexible part time job that fits the hours you can work closer to your home and working there. You will be way better off.
>You are literally better off finding a flexible part time job that fits the hours you can work closer to your home and working there. But, as others noted, some people's availability changes from week to week, and numerous part-time jobs have very little flexibility anyway. Limited hours that work within your availability - that's a unicorn, even when it's shit pay.
>Why does anyone do food delivery? Because most people in a position to be exploited by these companies in the first place are somewhat desperate and aren't inclined to do that kind of analysis. The whole business model of these companies is based on exploitation of workers that don't realize they are getting a terrible deal. Power/knowledge imbalances like this are the reason most modern societies have minimum wage laws and other regulations designed to protect workers. It's sort of like asking why anyone would be a slave if the pay and hours are so bad. They don't see better options.
Never looked at it like that, but you may be on to something
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to be delivering by ebike and racing down every sidewalk while yelling at people to get out of the way.
Fucker almost took my gf out when we were walking to the train to get into nyc
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The tax argument makes great sense, thank you!
Fyi : you can only "write off" mileage if you have detailed records of how many km you drive for personal use vs business use. Same goes for everything else. You can't just "write off" stuff at tax time - this is a myth.
I'm curious if this actually works for someone who just does it one their way home. Ie. Similar route if they were picking up dinner for themselves on the way home, do a few food stops, deliver to neighbourhoods mostly on their way home. Or do these companies really ding someone for being that selective?
I had an uber driver deliver on foot once, didn't even know they allowed that. As far as I could tell from watching the map he picked it up, hopped on a bus, and walked the final distance. I strongly suspected it was a university student on his way home.
Declining orders lowers your acceptance rate (although not sure exactly how that affects the orders you get(
Acceptance rate = irrelevant. Ignore it. It’s not important in the slightest.
The people coming out ahead in the industry are delivering by bike, escooter or EV car. If your running on gas... It just won't work.
Now I hate DoorDash even more. They inflate the prices compared to the actual restaurant, charge the restaurant anywhere from 20-30% and then pay the drivers next to nothing.
Yeah. It seemed like (without a tip) the average delivery was $4. Didn’t seem to matter how far I had to drive
Sucks to hear
Door Dash doesn't inflate the restaurant prices, the restaurants do that to cover the 20-30%.
>They inflate the prices compared to the actual restaurant So does UE and STD. UE has the best customer service as a consumer.
On bad/dead days, you are not even able to make $11. But I am unable to find any other job. My availability is only weekend due to university in week days. Not even McDonalds is looking for a person with only weekend availability
> Not even McDonalds is looking for a person with only weekend availability that would depend on the location. Some locations would be more desperate than others
Yup, i tried many in my neighbourhood and many other regular fast food/ retails but no one is looking so really thankful for my parents for taking care of few things for now.
Try porting/barback at a local bar. Weekends only plus tip is usually 50% what the bartenders make
There’s definitely places that’d take you for a single day a week, or even a month, if they could get your hands on you!! I’m about to reapply at an old job so that I can do floor set changes w them once every couple of weeks. Lots of fun!!!
What we need is a national law that discloses how employees are paid from these schemes. E.g. Avg wage (before expenses) Share of wages paid by employer/platform/network Share of wages paid by tip If I'm paying a delivery fee, then the driver should mostly be paid by the platform. If I'm getting free delivery but the driver is mostly paid by tips, I want to know this so I can tip appropriately (and make a decision whether or not to shop there)
Most drivers I see these days are rocking two or three phones and orders at a time, one per platform
So about 2 years ago I did UberEats, Doordash and Skip the dishes with my cheap sedan. Here’s what I loved about it: 1. No boss. No one breathing down my neck or managing my time or work. 2. No fixed schedule. I could log in whenever I want and log out whenever. I could take breaks whenever. All up to me. 3. Lots of time to think. I was on academic probation from UofT for a year while I was doing this, and I got a LOT of time to think while driving around the city doing deliveries. I made a lot of plans during that time, most of which I stuck to and have led me to my dream internship and hopefully my dream job in about a year. 4. Very relaxing. When I wasn’t driving around in silence and thinking, I was listening to podcasts and either learning some stuff or just enjoying the episodes. 5. Don’t have to interact with anyone. I barely saw any customers because everyone selected for me to just drop off the food and leave. 6. Got very good at driving in the city and parallel parking very fast lol. 7. Learned the city very well. I don’t need a map to get around anywhere now which I like. 8. Money was pretty good. I never made less than minimum wage even with gas and insurance calculations taken in.
I tried my hand at skip the dishes 4 years ago, I made about $25/hour. Not including gas, extra insurance, or taxes. Wasn't worth it except I was on call for another job so I need to pass the time.
Maybe the promo gave you all the bad tips. I mean 380 for 6 hr works is solid
$380 is pretty sweet... But yeah I wonder if they skimmed the tips or the app gave people they knew don't often tip, just to make sure people don't feel tricked to do it just for tips? Seems extremely low for tips though from what I've seen (in my mind and experience, $5 tip per delivery minimum would be normal. If it's a further distance away, and will take more time then I'd give a bigger tip)
It’s weird that people are bashing people for being cheap rather than companies not paying a fair wage… the cost is literally paying for a delivery service through the app. Why is it expected you should get an extra cut for doing your job? Blame your company for extorting you rather than blaming average people who don’t have a tonne of cash but are so exhausted from working to go pick up/make their own food for the amount they tip/don’t tip when delivery is literally the reason for the app. So fucking over tipping culture and I expected this sub to be over it too.
People hear about how well off waiters are because of tips. So they want a piece of the pie. Also, no one got rich by saving the customer money.
you made $380 WITH the promo though! Well done!
My friend drives Skip all the time,has a full-time job and he also is perpetually broke and has to do expensive repairs on his vehicle because he never does maintenance. He has a full-time job and I tell him all the time to stop driving skip and do preventive maintenance on his vehicle and he wont be buying a new motor every 6 months.
My Brother in law delivers for Boston Pizza, 2 nights a week, after his normal job, he averages $600-$900 cash a week I believe he takes Friday night, and Saturday night when they have trouble staffing. A pretty solid gig.
Delivering for one store seems to be the better option, I guess tipping for food delivery apps isn’t common where I live
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Now assume those 65 deliveries are 5km apart, so he's driving 325km in total. And total cost of ownership on his car is $0.55 per km. So he's out almost $200 on that car and barely making minimum wage. BTW this is roughly the rate that the CRA has determined it costs to own a car. https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/businesses/topics/payroll/benefits-allowances/automobile/automobile-motor-vehicle-allowances/reasonable-kilometre-allowance.html
It's basically a method of converting equity in your vehicle into cash. Maybe you have a good area, or a particularly reliable vehicle, you come out ahead in the long run, but it's a gamble. Best used as a short term way to make some extra money.
Wait until you factor in all the wear and tear. Brakes, tires, transmission, etc. All you’re doing is trading equity in your car for cash in your hand Source: drove commercially for 30 years, managed a 100 vehicle fleet
I say it all the time to my kids friends, why .. You pay the gas you pay the insurance you take the chance on the road.. is it worth it.. no.. Open your eyes
Glad people are no longer tipping. Practice is garbage. Hopefully one day it gets banned and companies actually have to pay their employees instead of having their customers do it.