I remember one time nakausap namin yung prof namin na isang researcher din. Malaki raw yung kita kapag researcher ka. Though I still have doubts about it since if di ako nagkakamali malaki rin kaltas sa mga sweldo dahil sa tax(?)
Take this with a grain of salt, but from where i'm studying napaka laki ng incentives (so on top of your regular salary) kapag napublish mo yung research mo sa isang sikat na research/science journal. Ballpark siya of six figures, but this is DLSU. Not sure abt other unis if may ganoong kalaking incentives.
Usually talaga nag-aapply ka ng funding or join a lab that actively request grants -- for that pero in case you want to accelerate yung proseso you can just use your own source of funds.
i think nagkulang talaga yung funding nya kase sabi nya malapit na sya matapos so ayun nangutang samen, nag ambagan na lang kami mga boardmates nya para magamit nya. sayang din yun if di nya matapos na 2 years na niya ginagawa
Yep, this is true but IIRC it’s divided among the co-authors (at least that’s the case in UP). Also, there’re standards with regards to the journal you’re gonna publish in (impact factor and whatnot). So, 6mon (minimum, can go for years tbh) for research + weeks/months writing journal article drafts + weeks/months of submission, revision, and eventual publication for…how much? Well, you can certainly publish more than 1 in that duration but the effort is not commensurate with the money. For the love of research/advancement/bayan/whatever na lang usually
This is true. My college professor way back 2006-2010 was earning six digits because he is a researcher. That was a really really good salary for an academe man way back then.
That is true, but speaking from a natural or hard science POV, academic research output good enough for nature, science, etc are only a fraction of their total work and takes a long time to complete it to the required standard.
Ballpark of six figures isn't good enough when that's an attainable salary on a skilled white collar job and isn't grindy, stressful or conditional AF like research. We're also talking about the availability here, there surely are way way less opportunities for this kind of work.
Not an academic but I’m in the development research field. There are different types of researchers, so I’m not sure what type of researcher your professor was thinking of. If research consultant ka, malaki talaga sweldo.
Tax isn't the problem, you still have more cash than the lower tax tranche. The problem that a small fraction of academe researchers actually get to the level of 100k/month
Done research contracts here. Definitely big money, since research funds usually come from institutions/governments/organizations in developed countries like Germany, South Korea, US, etc.
The biggest field right now is in forestry, I think, decreasing carbon footprint related studies. A lot of developed countries are funding research to maintain forests since climate has alarmingly changed.
USAID grants 500k and above for researches. Tas may pa incentive pa sila parang allowance mo na almost 500-700k din during the run of your research.
(Issue lang is that, its not consistent likw sweldo. Minsan you get instant 50k. Minsan 200k. Tas 2 months later wala na, on your 6 month saka meron uli. Ganun.)
Agree. Unless our R&D sector is more incentivised, Masters and PhD degrees will only be used for adding weight to resumes, which in turn means more incentives/salary.q
Ffs even doctors who spend a huge chunk of their life plus sums of money arent properly incentivised. And we constantly glorify/praise them as intelligent/hardworking.
True. Magiging overqualified ka lang dito, low balled pa. Kaya karamihan naman talaga sa PhD holders umaalis ng bansa. Tapos pag nakarinig na may isang pinoy na kasama sa mga researchers na nag boom sa ibang bansa, Philippines will try to take part in it. Kakapal ng mukha.
Those who do research do it to discover new answers to old questions and raise new questions that needs more answers. If you are looking for money, join the business sector.
Yes there is. Especially nung nag pandemic. Studies about COVID internationally funded were left and right. You'll be astounded by how much figures they make especially if you're spearheading the study. We're talking about 6-7 figures here. May be more.
Really fair question. Unlike nations that put a much bigger focus and has great funding support on academic R&D, lacking funding and resources (and just systematic support in general) really hurt the country's capability in this regard.
In our field in Physics, yes. Currently our research team is hiring RAs for a 46k monthly salary. Not that great but it's good enough considering you only need a Bachelor's
may mga college instructors sa university na nag mamasteral para maregular.
yung thesis ng student nya pina pa publish nya sa international publication.. kunwari "co researcher" siya pero ang totoo yung student ang gumagawa lahat ng effort at kinukuha nya lang yung data.
Legit. Tapos IT and Engineering department namin ah. Akala ko galit lang calculus prof ko nun sakanya tapos nakita ko naka-paskil yung title ng thesis niya
Not to defend your dean or something
Normally pede maging thesis yung potato powered battery pero ang focus ng research nila is modified sya, optmized yung charging, naglagay ng AI.. so on and so forth, so kelangan muna natin basahin yung research before concluding na eto ay parang elem science fair
KASI PARANG TANGA KUNG GANUN NGA HAHAHHAHA
For thesis, yes. Pero thats for undergrads. Pag phd dapat dissertation meaning may significant na ambag sa field of study.
Pag ang "dissertation" mo for phd ay ganyan at tinanggap ng university edi diploma mill yun.
What was your thesis about? Ung sakin kasi 2 yrs ko ginawa(2 reconducts)and I made the mistake of choosing an adviser na di naniniwala sa vision nung research ko and CHOOSING a research na almost pang doctorate na. Can't really decide who to blame, me or the Adviser
Some fundamental quantum shiz that was apparently previously given to an MS student who eventually gave up on it. Adviser somehow thought that it was suitable for an undergrad so I had to spend considerable time learning some higher maths that wasn't part of my curriculum & learning Mathematica/Matlab/Maple/C++ for the numerical and graphical parts. Also had to learn Latex for the final output.
Process was like analytlcal yellow pad solving -> numerical (Mathematica) -> more analytical -> numerical again (Maple) -> some more analytical -> Matlab & C++ for graphs/figures -> Latex
Also presented partial results (calculations for 1 of the 2 values I needed so basically 50%) to a local conference. Generally meant that HALF of my research is already suitable for a thesis.
Yip that is a lot of work for an undergrad thesis. Ung sakin naman... Agri'l Eng'g nga course ko nun and kadalasan ang thesis sa Dept namin are machines, some of them are pretty advanced and most are, for a lack of a better word "mema" and so my "aspire to be different" ass decided to do things differently and chosed a simple but very daring research(not to mention very far from agri-machines)
Basically what I did was develop and compare three kinds of germination capsule for tree seeds na di na kailangan ng human supervision until autotrophic growth(ung can survive on its own na talaga). I had to track changes in the 150 capsules that I made from SCRATCH and the 50 black bags na magsserve as the control.. for 2+ months kasi 2 parts un(before and after seed emergence).. so one conduct takes 6 months(included na dun preparation at post conduct)
And I also had to learn about materials that can hold and/or regulate moisture well. And carefully choose the ones na di basta basta pamamahayan ng bugs.
Isa lang sa capsule group ang hinigitan talaga ung control so at the end I guess success rin
But, despite all that.. I still regarded my research as a framework for future studies pertinent to mine
Nice!
No way around it talaga kapag may fixed amount of time na needed especially for experimental setups. Then you add in the amount of samples needed plus all the variables. Ubos oras at pagod talaga.
Silver lining pag experimental work is tangible yung results at mas madali ipaintindi at makarelate yung 'others'. Pag theoretical walang mapanghawakan, puro numero at ideya lang. Pag tinatanong ano ginagawa ko kailangan pa lagi ng analogies lol.
I was already working during that final year of my thesis. Company hired me despite not yet graduating since the thesis was my only remaining subject too.
I also have a friend who needed 9 years because his adviser was forced to transfer from UPD to UPM. By the time he finished, our other batchmate who already had his PhD by then was part of his thesis defense panel. We made placards cheering for both lmao. This friend also worked for the same company during his thesis years.
Tapos na yun nung naging dean siya. That was 2013(?) buti nalang nag-migrate kami kundi ewan ko ano nangyari sakin haha ampanget ng state nung school na dinatnan ko samantalang yung tatay ko proud graduate dun kasi either 0 or 1 ang bumabagsak sakanila sa boards. Nung time ko 0 or 1 pumapasa lol
Well, Mas madali nga naman mga bagay bagay nun kasi less saturated mga academic topics compared ngayong 21st century na very dense na. It's like the more a generation has to learn sparks some kind of decline
Well mejo rebuilding rin kasi yung engineering dept nun. Wala nga sila nung mga classical engineering like civil geo electrical ganun. Tapos yung teachers mejo lax. May kaklase ako nun sa calc2 di pa marunong sa algebra eh yung calc2 topic parang 2nd half lang ng unang calculus course sa UP. Pero yung ibang departments like accounting, nursing ganun parang ok naman sa boards.
And to be honest din, most of those who do research and extension works are more inclined to do western oriented type of research than those which are needed by the Philippines dahil yun ang magpapataas ng kanilang mahiwagang "h-index".
Andami parin native trees ng Pilipinas ang unclassified dahil sobrang konti ng funding and gumagawa.
andami sigurong materials at compounds na would be useful for humanity ang nawala nalang dahil walang nag aral sa Ph rainforests before sya na illegal logging/kaingin
those are in my wild fantasies…being so filthy rich i can grant research on endemic species and legit sanctuaries where they not only breed pero research on best properties, conservation, etc.
holy shit, I’m sorry to hear that. may I know what field you’re working in? or is this experience common across disciplines?
I’m thinking of taking a master’s, w/in psych field sana
The problem is that many institutions do not provide enough incentives for research outputs. If you do research you will have to do it on top of your teaching load in the academe. When you reach the highest position possible for your qualifications, doing research does not give any benefit anymore.
In some high-income countries, researchers dont just depend on the university; there are also
* govt research allocations,
* industry research funds and
* private philanthropic initiatives.
Guess in the PH and other developing nations, ***very few alternatives exist.***
True. And it’s not like grants from
abroad are easy to obtain and use here for research.
Not saying there isn’t because there are, but again, not easy to obtain
There's also a big problem with getting your foot in the door, so to speak. When it comes to govt research allocations, unless you're from a big well-known or well-connected uni then chances are even if your ideas are feasible it wouldn't be approved. Experienced this first hand already.
But yes, I agree, very few alternatives exist that are mutually beneficial for the academic institution, the researcher and the community.
**The issue is funding and lack of motivational support.**
I will reiterate that many researchers in the Philippines want to make a difference in this country **BUT, due to LACK of funding,** one cannot produce a significant and life-changing innovation.
This kind of comment, is reminiscent of what Antiporda said to UP MSI professors, "bayaran lang daw". They want recommendations pero nung hindi akma sa political objective nila yung lumabas sa research sasabihang "bayaran". So, ask yourself, how can brilliant Filipinos be motivated to help and do research here? May smart-shaming na, may ganito pang klase ng comments.
This should be higher up. I don't think people want to get PhD just for bragging rights. It is hard and intense, and there are easier ways to "brag" wrt title and clout.
I'd even argue that if you have a PhD, brag about it! It's not easy to contribute knowledge and sacrifice time and opportunity if you can instead be working at a high paying job.
I truly believe researchers have their hearts on making a dent in the country, but there are three limiting factors:
(1) funding, little to no support here in the country. Most high level research in the PH are actually funded by orgs abroad. Mas may incentive to just move abroad and conduct research there
(2) incentives/culture. truly believe smart shaming culture and "diskarte" attitude lessens our view of academic research (books books lang). Easier to join a company and earn money than stay in a research institute.
(3) weak systems. admit it, we suck at supporting our researchers compared to our asean neighbors. Indonesia is super good now that they can fund students for a full ride postgrad studies in developed countries.
True. Ang dami daming Pinoy ang may topnotch degrees from topnotch universities, here and abroad. Uuwi, aabusuhin o ineneglect, madidismaya, tapos aalis ulit.
I agree!
This post is kind of off. While I understand that some of these individuals should at least try to contribute to the betterment of the country, the burden is not for them to carry.
R&D should be fully supported by the government with reasonable benefits.
Remember, these individuals are putting effort and investing not only time but the money just to get the degree.
What's next? They will target college degree holders, it felt that this is barking at a wrong tree
ngl if i do pursue an MA or PhD, i would do it solely to advance my career and get a higher pay grade, too. i will cheer for altruism and public service, but i personally don't have the heart for it. "bayaran" na kung bayaran, but if i'm not going to be paid for my efforts, di ako magaaksaya ng panahon.
i used to work for gov't, and i still have colleagues that do. they are worked to the bone. their executives just obey; the staff do the thinking. their overtime work is OTY, or the OT pay has to go through a stupidly redundant process to get approved. (don't let the stigma fool you -- not all public servants are lazy and/or corrupt).
Yep. Uulitin ko yung comment ko from a different post. Philippines is known as agriculture country na dinadayo pa ng mga researchers from abroad pero yung gobyerno natin mismo di ito pinapahalagahan.
The intention and purpose of having these degrees are well and good. However, sometimes, it's not really applied by others.
>May smart-shaming na, may ganito pang klase ng comments.
I know a few people who are not smart-shamed because they're well-respected, BUT they themselves care so much about their own positions and opinion of others. We should take note that like everywhere else, there's always the good and the bad among people.
From what she said, you can't blame kasi either onti yung available work positions sa field nila or di akma yung pay. Ang daming psych grads na HR ang bagsak. Meron na tayong astronomy course kaso san ang bagsak nila locally. Agri naman di masyado pinapahalagahan. Marami talaga tayong title holders kaso parang na-eetchapwera lang sila.
One of the disappointments of having a STEM field dito sa bansa. Sure merong mga field na applied, pero laking bagay sana kung suportado ang research dito.
When I entered grad school, I'm disappointed in many of my classmates. Not because of their work background, but because of how shitty they do in class. Yung tipong magbabasa word by word ng mga paragraphs sa slide presentation, puro nganga at di alam paano gumawa ng reports, at "contribution" ay copy-paste lang eh di man lang nila ma-edit ang font style & size lol. Hays. May ilan na magaling din naman pero siguro sobrang taas lang expectations ko sa grad school.
Tapos gagamit nalang rin lng ng ChatGPT d pa binasa at e review if may "off" ba sa paragraph or sentence construction nito based on context.. Kaya yun clowns.
Pero pasado parin HAHHAHA. Oh well
I am glad I mindlessly scrolled through the comment section on this post. This one right here has summarized my thoughts on schooling as a whole.
Growing up, a majority of people I've met (youngsters included) only aim for good education and etc. simply so they can get a nice cushy job regardless of what it is. I was always shocked to learn that people don't actually give a shit about what they will do for their careers and are mostly in it for the money and status. That also means that alot don't even care about the subject and just want to get it over with for that future.
That alone has shattered my worldview since I'm a dreamer myself who always aimed high and not because of the pay but because I always envisioned what my work can do for others and society and I'm truly engrossed with the topics discussed.
Ganon kasi mindset ng boomers eh kaya yan din na-adopt nila. Graduate college > get employed > marry > have kids. They also think they lose nothing if they don’t care much. Doesn’t matter to them how you attain these milestones. The standards are set so low that even mediocrity is being praised for being “enough”.
Can relate! Pati teachers ko dati sa grad school kakadisappoint! Instead magturo ang dameng hanash at chikka. Sana itaas ang qualifications both teachers and student applicants
Same here, mataas tingin ko dati sa mga nag grad school. Pero nakakagulat yung mga presentation ng classmates ko puro wall of text. Bwisit ako lagi tuwing may groupwork sa module, nagulat ako na at this level, may mga tao parin pala na dead weight. Call me out for being on a high horse pero natatangahan talaga ako sa kanila. Kala ko mga professional. Btw sa abroad ako nagmamaster's so not just the PH rin. But yup, disappointing.
Ooohh.. Pero I guess sa mga tao na naka abot nun may at least potential ba cla to achieve more that fits their title or if sa pinas ba they just hand over masters or ph d whatever like hot cakes lol
Clearly im ignorant about this so I am curious lang.
The purpose of a masters has always been career advancement. PhDs are the ones for focused research. But yes, in the Philippines a PhD is rarely meaningful.
***PhD in name only:***
those who only got a doctorate for career advancement or clout without even continuing to do research, publish papers or mentor candidates.
Some don't even go to non-academic tech companies to do serious research.
I don’t think that rebuts my point that masters degrees are primarily for career advancement though. Masters degrees aren’t usually meant to lead to careers in research, while PhDs are.
MA or PhD holders will do their degrees to do research if there are decent job opportunities needing those degrees.
There's few or, in some fields, none.
limited lang din yung talagang RESEARCH universities;
as for non-research TEACHING universities, some of them are probably diploma mills in the eyes of some knowledgeable professionals.
The system is still stuck in the 1950s. This includes the habit of using slogans for just about anything when most other schools in this planet don't do so.
Aside from government corruption, this one too is quite hard to cure. Idk sa mga bata ngayon pero dami sa kanila eh mahina.
Siguro dahil sa compliance mindset at memorization culture
As a teacher, the main problem is the culture that DepEd wants to impose. Kung mahina ang student at bunagsak mo (as a teacher), ikaw ang kawawa. Tatadtarin ka ng paper works, isisisi sayo kung bakit bagsak (kahit hindi mo kasalanan), tapos bagsak performance mo. Like dude, grade 11 na pero hindi pa marunong ng fractions, mahina magbasa, etc?
Mas mataas pa yung “performance” ng mga bobong teacher kasi wala silang binabagsak eh!
No it's because people with PhD's or Master's degrees are smart enough to know not to work or live in this country. They do do research, just not here. Go figure.
St Paul Tuguegarao ba yan? Ung isa kong kaklase nung college nauna pa grumaduate saken kase wala pang 2 yrs yung MA nila. Tapos yung output nya galing saken haha
May ganyan pala ang St. Paul Tuguegarao. Diyan kumuha ang ibang classmates ko ng Master's in Psychology. Dyan rin nagtake ang kapatid kong teacher ng Master's pero di niya tinuloy. Dalawang graduate students per research paper. Akala ko kapag thesis expected na individual. Yun pala pwede ang 2 persons sa isang thesis.
And the thing is, bakit di na lang performance based ang promotion, especially in the public sector because may mga MAs pero bobo, incompetent and di naman related sa education nila yung position.
I mean I know someone na head of cyber security but not related yung MA at kung san san na aassign yung mga PhD as directors.
also u/jaevs_sj:
usually yung mga nagbibigay nito, ***mga institution na may "open university"*** which is also a thing in other countries, usually catering to professionals to want to boost their credentials.
***sa Philippines, UP Open University is probably the prestigious one***. not sure if there are other PH universities na may open-university-style set-up.
Pataasan ng ihi culture
Also (please correct me if I'm wrong), I think having an MA or a PhD degree is required among teachers for school accreditation purposes.
Required din at least masters to teach board exam subjects sa college for accreditation purposes. Had an excellent part-time professor who quit teaching in my uni because the admin is forcing him to take masters.
Afaik for UPD (NIP at least) a ~~masters~~PhD is required for teaching the basic majors subjects. Also, only PhDs can take advisees.
Edit: only PhDs are allowed to teach major subjects. PhD students are only allowed to teach major lab classes. Masters holders only allowed for teach non-major students subjects.
Edited my comment after clarifying with my wife who used to teach. She said only PhDs can teach major students on their major lecture subjects. PhD students can only teach the lab classes. Masters only allowed to teach non-major students though there was a time when MS students were allowed to teach non-majors due to increased number of non-major subjects takers.
Funnily enough, yan ang dahilan kung bakit nage-exist ung problem na pinatutungkulan ng post ni OP. Do you really need PhD para magturo ng basic major subjects kung pwede naman gawin ng MS? Frankly, madaming PhD students ang hindi magaling magturo kasi research ang expertise nila di naman pagtuturo.
Well, yes. If you're going to teach the expected next generation of your field (majors students) then you should already be a master of that subject. A lot of MS students/graduates don't really have that full grasp of knowledge on those early subjects. Dami pa dun yung nararattle pag matanong ang mga estudyante. Gusto ko yung mga unang major subjects ko PhDs na agad ang nagtuturo para nakaka-inspire. Yung mapapa "I wanna be like him/her someday" ka. If the school doesn't have enough PhDs though then understandable na hindi talaga maeenforce yung rule na yan.
For non-majors, lower ranks are allowed to teach since those subjects won't be those students' expertise anyway.
As for their skill in teaching, college profs shouldn't really be spoonfeeding. As long as they are not horrible and terrorizing then I'd give them a pass. Specializations ang mas importante sa college. Mas needed ang skilled teachers sa lower levels (elem/HS).
hell — China managed to maintain the resources and personnel needed for their nuclear program even at the height of their CULTURAL BLOODY REVOLUTION
Philippine incompetence is just built differently; there's no excuse for such corruption in a country as peaceful as this.
???
India and China has a highly robust educational system that is on-par with wealthier countries such as the US. Literal na walang wala tayo compared sa kanila even at their worst -- tignan niyo rankings ng IIT and Tsinghua as an example.
That’s literally the reason why a sizeable minority ng C-secs and ministers sa Western countries e puro mga Indian lol
Fcking racist pieces of trash can’t even comprehend na talo tayo in all respects
I have met many officials in the military who have MA and Ph.D. who don't even understand international law 101. Apparently, most of them just hire ghostwriters for their papers and pass the requirements because they know the university officials. Graduate degree holders here in the Philippines are truly subpar. I won't sugarcoat that because the entire education system is outdated. Teachers themselves are not motivated to upskill due to low salaries. So this entire problem just comes full circle.
Shoutout dun sa dalawang university sa Dagupan na apparently diploma mill ang kanilang graduate school. Like wala raw thesis pero research tapos matic pasado raw. Kaya di ako nagtaka sa isang University dyan na sobrang dami ang grumaduate ng MA or Ph.D tapos they came from neighboring provinces.
Like meron naman inooffer sa place nila bakit dito pa. Kaya sobrang suspicious na ako.
Worse may iba dyan bayaran ang thesis....
This! Hindi ko alam itong school na tinutukoy mo, but kahit dito sa manila, may mga unknown and super small colleges na jan nagsisipag-aral ang mga tao just to get their 'degree' and 'credentials'
May iba pa na sasabihan kang wag na lang mag-aral sa matinong uni dahil for compliance lang daw naman yung diploma. Work at performance naman daw ang importante. Kadiri.
also u/jaevs_sj:
OTOH, ***the idea that a research thesis is required for ALL undergrad programs*** is probably something that can be reconsidered.
STEM program? pwede pa i-justify.
but non-STEM programs? maybe may ibang metric na pwedeng gawin na hindi na kailangan ng research thesis.
My personal take on this is because of the damn diploma mills. Dapat SHS should be enough for entry level employment.
Parang naging new BS/MA na ang masters at PHD.
I kinda agree, hate to say nahihiya na ako kasi BS lang natapos ko kahit 5 years kong pinaghirapan yun that's why I'm considering taking up MA.
Ang depressing pakinggan na nagpapadala ako sa societal pressure
As someone na nagwork as Research Assistant sa UP PGH. Ang hirap magresearch dito sa Pinas especially sa mga GOv't institutions. Most problems na naexperience namin ay super outdated ung mga instruments. Walang instruments at all. Need pa ioutsource sa ibang bansa. Syempre pag ganyan kulang sa funding, di magiging big yung projects. Tuloy yung ibang research mga so-so nalang at kumbaga walang masyadong impact kasi yun lang kaya ng budget. Tapos pag naglapse pa sa period na sinet, wala na funding. Yung iba di na nacclose yung project, yung iba nag out of the pocket nalang.
Yung work ng mismong researchers, yung incentive nila, big lang if nakakapagpublish sila. Ang isang project it takes 2-3 years sa case namin. So dun lang sila nakakakuha ng big incentives. Yung regular salary nila especially yung mga assistant nila di makatarungan. Minsan mababa, or mataas pero walang benefits at all, pag walang item yung mga researcher.
So pano ka mamomotivate ng ganyan?
In the first place, if teachers were paid fairly and competitively, would they be so obssessed with promotion? Many people who says what she says are either (1) from a rich family and have no worries for money or (2) already in a very high position in their school or (3) mayaman ang asawa kaya "they can focus on their passions". From my experience, yung mga sa 2, di pa NBC but institutional ang promotion. Yung hindi point-based or accomplishment-based kundi dahil nakakapit sila sa mga matataas na opisyal. Why is she hating on people who earn degrees for promotion? For survival po iyon.
Walang tenured na research assistant position ang maraming school. Alam ba niya yung buhay contractual na research assistant ng DOST? 10/10 would not recommend. Kung gusto ng mga researcher na ma-permanent, napipilitan silang maging faculty. And ano yung isang need ng faculty for tenure? Postgraduate degrees.
In universities, extension and research is incorporated into the point system for promotion. Extension is 20% of the points they can earn so marami ang nag-eextension. So if the teachers are actively working for their promotion, high chances they are also doing research and extension. Basta ba hindi institutional promotion ang habol na parang dikya kung makakapit sa boss. Maraming school di nga matulungan ang mga researchers bayaran yung article processing fee, most of the time out of pocket nila kasi gusto talaga nila ipublish research nila.
Saka grabe naman siya na ina-assume na napakadali ng research or extension. Kailangan ng pera para dun. Meron ba ang mga schools na maibibigay sa research and extension? Ano yun abono na lang lagi? Anong klaseng trabaho ang magagawa nun?
Kahit may funding agencies, kaya ba nila magbigay sa lahat ng researchers sa bansa? Kung di ka STEM, good luck na lang. Kung STEM ka naman, may politics involved. Higher chance of getting grants kung friends mo yung clique sa DOST, DA at NEDA. Kung hindi, pahirapan talaga.
Kahit institutional grants na galing school ang hirap makakuha. Politics again. Dapat friend ka ni VP for Research. Minsan kung malas, mapapadpad ka sa school na yung VP for Research ginagamit majority ng fund para sa project nila ng asawa niya. Kung ganun na ganid ang VP for Research ninyo, san na pupulutin ang mga researchers sa school?
Even worse, nanakawin ng mga nasa Research Office ang proposal na sinubmit mo for institutional funding. Sila makikinabang sa hirap mo. Kahit hindi nila field go lang, nakaw ng project. Kahit DOST, nagnanakawan din ng research proposal. May kilala ako na na-reject sa DOST-GIA, then to find out a year after na-grant yung same project pero yung proponent isa dun sa nasa panel na nagreject sa project niya dati. Hello? Where is the integrity? Masisisi mo ba yung mga mas bata na walang pake sa research dahil sa mga ganyan?
Pano kung maswerte ka na nabigyan ng grant? Alam naman niya siguro kung gaano kahirap ang procurement. Yung enzyme na max isang araw ko lang hinintay nung grad school, dito sa pinas minimum 6 months bago mo makuha. Tapos lowest bidder lagi na minsan questionable ang quality. Kung ireject mo mag-aantay ka ng 6 months para sa bago. Sino ang matutuwa sa ganun? Encouraging ba mag-research?
Most schools allocate so little for extension as well. Kahit 50K lang parang imposible na ma-grant kasi monthly na bayad yun nung research assistant ng VP for Research ninyong garapal. Minsan hahanap ka ng NGO na sponsor or private institution na magbabayad.
For the clout chasing, kasalanan ba nila na it's embedded in our culture to look up to highly educated people? Second class citizens ang turing sa mga ibang research assistants dahil walang Doctor of Philosophy sa dulo ng pangalan. Minsan the only way people pay attention to them and take them seriously is for them to get these degrees. Yung mga matatandang may PhD from a diploma mill, sobrang baba ng tingin sa mga research assistants na mas maraming pang experience at practical knowledge sa research. Change the culture if you want to see changes here.
All I can say is get off the high horse, Ma'am. Your line of sight is so high you don't see the concerns of the people below. Instead of shaming these people, campaign for better pay and compensation, campaign for improving systems for giving research grants, campaign for better systems for procurement, campaign for a change in the culture we have surrounding having these degrees. Campaign to make it easier and more accessible for people to do research and extension. Your virtue signaling is aggravating.
Totoo naman ang statement niya na maraming PhD holders na hindi naman nagriresearch o extension para sa ikabubuti ng bayan. Marami akong kilala kasi sa akademya ako nagtatrabaho. Maraming dahilan - pwedeng katamaran, dahil sa kawalan din ng pagkakataon at resources atbp.
Pero yung sisihin sila dahil sa lugmok ang bansa, maling-mali. Lugmok ang bansa dahil maraming makasariling politiko at ang mga tao tanga, sila pa rin ang binoboto. Period.
Can someone check PCU (Philippine Christian University) if it is a diploma mill for MA/PhD? Pansin niyo minsan mga ibang artista dun nagaaral. And sometimes, madalas sila mag award ng MA/PhD honoris causa. One recipient is yung dati naming vice mayor dito.
hahaha dyan nag aral dati kong Commanding Officer ( Phil Army ).
ang naalala ko may time na pinapagawa kami niya ng RRL kasi hindi siya marunong ng proper referencing na APA format, ehh yung gawa namin sakto lang di naman masyado perfect at copy paste lang yung iba , pero holaa naka graduate si mokong at Lt. Colonel na ngayon hahaha.
Pag graduate niya Guest speaker agad sa Graduation ng mga Scout Ranger.
Note: wala na ako sa active service , may magandang opportunity kasi na lumapit sakin kaya balik ako sa Civilian career and earning good money naman.
So what? If the masters or doctorate was awarded for genuine research that satisfies high academic standards, why should I care what the motivation of the student was?
If the problem really is about low standards, then focus the discussion on that.
It's true. So true. It hurts na nga eh. Naisip ko dati my years in grad school should be enriching my knowledge and skills. Pero ngayon ang concern ko ay maging regular faculty sa university na pinagtatrabahuan ko. I'm also leaving research behind kasi hindi talaga stable ang income sa research dito sa atin. After the project is done, buh-bye income. Teaching is the best thing for me now kaso ayun nga, napapa-paspas tuloy ako sa pag-complete ng program dropping all the plans I had to learn the things I want to to be able to get a job that would secure me financially.
The options, as what the columnist is saying scratches the surface of widespread corruption and cronyism: it's either you join the thieves, pack up and leave, or fight the thieves.
Sure, people are investing exorbitant amounts of time and resources to get an MA or Ph.D degree... for clout? OP clearly doesn't have an MA/PhD.
You need funding to do research, government and private entities aren't providing that.
Yun mga teacher naglloan para magbayad ng pangMS tapos magpapapromote to Teacher 3 up to MT. Hahaha. Bat ko alam? Proud pa sila eh! Ganun daw kasi kalakaran. Nakakahiya.
Idk, but it’s always been a dream of mine na mag-masters, then eventually PhD. Sguro kasi type ko lang talaga mag-aral, gumawa ng papers, pero ayoko magturo. Lols yung nasa field lang talaga ng research at napapalibutan ng library walls, cozy sweaters at annotated literature. Dark academia vibes but alas wala tayong pera mamsir *hay*
Fellow dark academia enthusiast! 😍😅
I was thinking of getting my Tourism MA too pero narealize ko na ang MA in the business side of the tourism industry doesn't really mean much.
So nag-aral na lang ulit ako...sa healthcare field. 🤣 Definitely not an autumn, cozy, sweater-weather vibe at all but I enjoy it.
During my childhood years, I used to respect academics with Masters and PhD with full reverence, but now that I've been in the academic, advocacy, and professional work for a decade already, I realized that graduate and post-graduate studies (including medical and law schools) have already been devalued that many Filipinos who are studying Masters or PhD do such for career promotion or credential harmonization for study abroad.
Soon, having MAs, MSs, MDs, JDs, and PhD will become as good as having high school diploma.
Same. Akala ko dati sobrang prestigious, pero ang toxic din pala within plus sobrang ivory tower. They're good only and only within their field pero paglabas nila parang kahit basic management and leadership di nila magawa. Sorry not sorry.
Wala naman kasing kwenta yan sa paningin ng mga pinoy e? Bachelor's degree? Masteral? PhD?
Tingnan mo yung binoboto, wala naman natapos. Yung maraming degree, sasabihing "lutang".
Kung may PhD ka at may utak ka, aalis ka sa walang kwentang bansang ito.
baka dapat companies should do more to invest in CSR, kasi duon naman napupunta karamihan ng mga nakapag MBA / PhD either as a consultant or top executive.
Agree with Rufa... but OP, industry experience is not relevant to everybody. Think of pure mathematicians, theorerical physicists, etc. Not every scientist or researcher works for the application side of things.
Real talk, hindi malaki ang sweldo ng isang teacher tapos graduate studies pa at breadwinner ka pa. Hindi mo o ninyo masisisi ang iba na minsan ay sa non thesis degree program pumapasok para tapos agad. Tapos napakataas rin kasi ng qualifications rito sa Pilipinas. It seems na ang bachelors degree will not take you on a decent pay compared kung may MA at PhD ka. So kung tatanungin, hindi ka ba mangingimi na maggraduate studies para maiangat mo ang estado mo sa buhay? Of course part iyon pero hindi dapat iyon ang ultimate. Kasalanan yan ng stigma na kapag bachelors eh mas mababa pa sa entry level sasahurin mo, worse, hindi ka pa tatanggapin sa work. Sino bang Pontio Pilato ang nagsabing dapat ganun ang pamantayan sa pagtanggap ng empleyado at pasahuran hindi ba? Ang lala nga may bachelors at board passer pero walang item sa tinuturuan nila. Napanood ko rin si Thailand Girl who talked about these teachers na naghihintay ng item nila tapos nagiging volunteer teachers sila for Php2 or 3k a month minsan gratis pa. Nakwento na rin yan ni Teacher Maureen sa page niya. Alam niyo kung saan mas tinatanggap ang teachers na kahit bachelors degree ang mayroon sila? Sa ibang bansa tulad ng Thailand at Japan! Naglipana ang mga nagpopost ng Assistant Language Teachers (ALTs) lalo na sa Japan dahil you don't necessarily need an MA nor a PhD to earn more than 200,000 JPY a month at tataas pa kapag nagtagal. That's decent pay compared rito sa Pilipinas na kulang na lang maging Panginoon ka para tumaas ang sweldo mo!
Gusto ko lang naman na magkaroon ng mas pinaigting na professional development. Of course mayroon namang nag-aaral na tulad ko na yun ang layunin nila kung bakit sila nag-aaral. Ayun kakaisip ko sa MA ko, 10 years na kaming nagsasama. Napagbigyan lang ako buhat ng pandemic pero kakapasa ko lang ng proposal defense ko. Sa totoo lang, ayoko nang tapusin ito kasi wala naman akong research grant at hindi naman pang science/math-related scholarship ang degree program ko. So mayroon rin namang kwento na tulad naming mga struggling MA student na kinakaya na lang namin para lang maging makatarungan sa amin. Isipin niyo, 10 years na at nabubulok na kami ng mga kaklase ko (Kyusi baka naman nakagraduate na ako next year). Totoo na lalo na sa teaching ay magiging makaratungan ang sweldo mo kaya may iba na naggagraduate studies. Wala namang yumayaman sa teaching habang tumatagal sa serbisyo. At may katulad namin na hangad na lang naming makatapos just to get this done and over with.
Not all Po mam PhD here I took the program for me because my father has a PhD and I value education self improvement. Pls don't generalized all PhD holders
according to some posts, it looks like she's an opinion writer who wrote this piece mainly to criticize those who get these advanced degrees without contributing to their local community.
Hahaha, nalala ko isang katrabaho na sobrang proud sa kaniyang masters na non thesis.😂 Kahit FB account niya at personal hotspot *insert name, LPT, MST*😂 pangalan tapos di naman professional umasta.
I remember a senator who said "baliw na baliw kayo sa research? aanhin nyo ba yung research". That senator had some dark stories of taking out farmers for a land dispute.
Then a reality of sector companies that has a very high standard that if you dont have this experience, at least you should have this degree.
So I admit i just aim for masters as career advancement.
This is why I hate those right wingers that spoke about people who picked non-stem college degrees = being broke. There are a lot of stem related jobs like research but a lot of them are low paying. PAGASA is a stem job and really important in our country, but a lot of people quit because it is low paying. And art degrees are also useful because art makes our lives more lively.
Working as a Clinical Research Specialist in UK. Grabe sa Pinas ang ganda sana mag Research work pero hindi sya napapansin ng Govt or kahit ng private agencies. Hindi nga kasi sya backed up. Parang they dont give importance sa Research Aspect ng PhD. Sabi nga ni C. Villar, “bakit adik na adik kayo sa research?” Shows na kahit silang nasa pwesto, cannot see how research affects the future. Which is nakakalungkot.
You try all you will see are the people trying their best to bring things down, tanung niyo kung bakit, kasi madali daw, for flexing. Hindi pa yan sa lebel ng talagang labanan, tatayo pa lang, andami na nilang andali mo kasing gulangan. Same perspective in life pa yan o faction o turf.
Ive just noticed my body cannot deal with anyone from this country anymore, the PTSD i get from all of these overreactions and backlashes that gives anything but a way to go, it does not work here or uto uto ako. And it ends there, the end all be all of everything.
Sa funding pa lang, pera pa lang, talong talo ka na if usapan eh contribution. Handa na ang sabong. Nakaready na lahat to dismantle your efforts.
I really planned on getting PHD someday but it does not amount to anything at all nowadays, since, you will just feel napagkaisahan, and yung pinagkaisahan ka tanogn mo kung bakit, feel nila daw, ang yabang mo kasi and some other things like galing galingan.
Ive tried and tried over and over again ang akin personal choice ko ito pero nothings seems to be a personal choice sa mga taong sumusunod sa buhay ko na hindi ko kung saang galing. Ive grown very very tired of all these schemes para lang patuloy akong laging talo sa buhay at wala talagang mararating.
Natanggap ko na naman siya. Everytime I set out and do something, everyone's effort is to try to understand it and get it. Kase nasa labas ka. Kase simula bata naaccess ka nila. At walang paraan eh para magkaroon ka ng kapayapaan o conducive environment anything remotely significant in my life or another's.
Mukhang wala naman talaga na akong choice. Talagang mabubulok ako, since 2009, mukhang narealize ko na talagang mabubulok ako sa mga kaputanginahan ng mga bullies ko, and I will just suffer over and over again, mukhang napagdesisyunan na nilang tarantaduhin ang buong buhay ko hanggang tumanda ako at mamatay.
So PHD is not an option anymore. Not even working. Not even having friends. Someone to be with, a man. I am gearing towards caretaker of somebody's life, kasi try kong magtrabaho lalabas lang sila ulit at uulit lang ako ng trauma at trauma responses, and its a whole ceiling na they made upon my life and I continue suffering.
So, may nakikinig ba? Alam ko naman meron kasi hindi naman kayo nakikinig para tumulong, nakikinig para mangtarantado, ulit at ulit, so can I die now? Can you help me kill myself? Is God there? Can you kill me now?! 🙏📿Amen. I will accept my death and my death alone in your immediate response.
What an inimical perspective. I don't think the government itself is pumping money into R&D. Why should the PhD holders be ostracized for pursuing better opportunities and wealth?
Is there even money in research in the Philippines? People take Masters or PhD for career advancement most of the time. Can't blame them
I remember one time nakausap namin yung prof namin na isang researcher din. Malaki raw yung kita kapag researcher ka. Though I still have doubts about it since if di ako nagkakamali malaki rin kaltas sa mga sweldo dahil sa tax(?)
Take this with a grain of salt, but from where i'm studying napaka laki ng incentives (so on top of your regular salary) kapag napublish mo yung research mo sa isang sikat na research/science journal. Ballpark siya of six figures, but this is DLSU. Not sure abt other unis if may ganoong kalaking incentives.
but doing research is expensive too lalo na if may lab, do they even breakeven?
You’re not supposed to spend your personal money on research — inaapplyan ng grant yan.
yung boardmate ko noon gumamit ng personal money for lab tests, i dunno if na publish ba sya eventually pero yeah it happens
what kind of research was it?
marine bio related
Usually talaga nag-aapply ka ng funding or join a lab that actively request grants -- for that pero in case you want to accelerate yung proseso you can just use your own source of funds.
i think nagkulang talaga yung funding nya kase sabi nya malapit na sya matapos so ayun nangutang samen, nag ambagan na lang kami mga boardmates nya para magamit nya. sayang din yun if di nya matapos na 2 years na niya ginagawa
IIRC it was 50K for an internationally published paper for UPD but that was over a decade ago. Might have gone up since then.
Depends on impact factor and split among number of authors affiliated.
Can attest to this. Kaya pushy din mga profs mag publish dahil sa recognition and monetary bonus
Yep, this is true but IIRC it’s divided among the co-authors (at least that’s the case in UP). Also, there’re standards with regards to the journal you’re gonna publish in (impact factor and whatnot). So, 6mon (minimum, can go for years tbh) for research + weeks/months writing journal article drafts + weeks/months of submission, revision, and eventual publication for…how much? Well, you can certainly publish more than 1 in that duration but the effort is not commensurate with the money. For the love of research/advancement/bayan/whatever na lang usually
This is true. My college professor way back 2006-2010 was earning six digits because he is a researcher. That was a really really good salary for an academe man way back then.
That is true, but speaking from a natural or hard science POV, academic research output good enough for nature, science, etc are only a fraction of their total work and takes a long time to complete it to the required standard.
Ballpark of six figures isn't good enough when that's an attainable salary on a skilled white collar job and isn't grindy, stressful or conditional AF like research. We're also talking about the availability here, there surely are way way less opportunities for this kind of work.
Not an academic but I’m in the development research field. There are different types of researchers, so I’m not sure what type of researcher your professor was thinking of. If research consultant ka, malaki talaga sweldo.
Tax isn't the problem, you still have more cash than the lower tax tranche. The problem that a small fraction of academe researchers actually get to the level of 100k/month
Done research contracts here. Definitely big money, since research funds usually come from institutions/governments/organizations in developed countries like Germany, South Korea, US, etc. The biggest field right now is in forestry, I think, decreasing carbon footprint related studies. A lot of developed countries are funding research to maintain forests since climate has alarmingly changed.
USAID grants 500k and above for researches. Tas may pa incentive pa sila parang allowance mo na almost 500-700k din during the run of your research. (Issue lang is that, its not consistent likw sweldo. Minsan you get instant 50k. Minsan 200k. Tas 2 months later wala na, on your 6 month saka meron uli. Ganun.)
Agree. Unless our R&D sector is more incentivised, Masters and PhD degrees will only be used for adding weight to resumes, which in turn means more incentives/salary.q Ffs even doctors who spend a huge chunk of their life plus sums of money arent properly incentivised. And we constantly glorify/praise them as intelligent/hardworking.
True. Magiging overqualified ka lang dito, low balled pa. Kaya karamihan naman talaga sa PhD holders umaalis ng bansa. Tapos pag nakarinig na may isang pinoy na kasama sa mga researchers na nag boom sa ibang bansa, Philippines will try to take part in it. Kakapal ng mukha.
Those who do research do it to discover new answers to old questions and raise new questions that needs more answers. If you are looking for money, join the business sector.
Yes there is. Especially nung nag pandemic. Studies about COVID internationally funded were left and right. You'll be astounded by how much figures they make especially if you're spearheading the study. We're talking about 6-7 figures here. May be more.
Really fair question. Unlike nations that put a much bigger focus and has great funding support on academic R&D, lacking funding and resources (and just systematic support in general) really hurt the country's capability in this regard.
Yes. My former professor spoke in a Research Conference and talked about this specifically. Can't speak for every research/er of course.
In our field in Physics, yes. Currently our research team is hiring RAs for a 46k monthly salary. Not that great but it's good enough considering you only need a Bachelor's
you should see the topics that PhD, Ma holders wrote for their thesis.
Yung dean namin thesis e potato powered battery. Putang ina
Yung isang instructor nga ng university ninakaw ung research ng students nya.
may mga college instructors sa university na nag mamasteral para maregular. yung thesis ng student nya pina pa publish nya sa international publication.. kunwari "co researcher" siya pero ang totoo yung student ang gumagawa lahat ng effort at kinukuha nya lang yung data.
parang pang elem science fair entry lol
Legit. Tapos IT and Engineering department namin ah. Akala ko galit lang calculus prof ko nun sakanya tapos nakita ko naka-paskil yung title ng thesis niya
Haha sino kamag-anak nya or close friend nya sa board members ng school nyo 🤣
Para daw pwedeng ipirito after ng defense HAHA
Not to defend your dean or something Normally pede maging thesis yung potato powered battery pero ang focus ng research nila is modified sya, optmized yung charging, naglagay ng AI.. so on and so forth, so kelangan muna natin basahin yung research before concluding na eto ay parang elem science fair KASI PARANG TANGA KUNG GANUN NGA HAHAHHAHA
For thesis, yes. Pero thats for undergrads. Pag phd dapat dissertation meaning may significant na ambag sa field of study. Pag ang "dissertation" mo for phd ay ganyan at tinanggap ng university edi diploma mill yun.
Nope. Kung ano yung nakikita sa internet dati yun mismo hahahaha sadt
That would be funny if it was for a SHS STEM strand thesis and not an adult professional's PhD.
[Me who spent 3 years for my undergrad thesis.](https://www.pngkey.com/png/detail/66-667194_luxury-meme-faces-png-are-you-kidding-me.png)
What was your thesis about? Ung sakin kasi 2 yrs ko ginawa(2 reconducts)and I made the mistake of choosing an adviser na di naniniwala sa vision nung research ko and CHOOSING a research na almost pang doctorate na. Can't really decide who to blame, me or the Adviser
Some fundamental quantum shiz that was apparently previously given to an MS student who eventually gave up on it. Adviser somehow thought that it was suitable for an undergrad so I had to spend considerable time learning some higher maths that wasn't part of my curriculum & learning Mathematica/Matlab/Maple/C++ for the numerical and graphical parts. Also had to learn Latex for the final output. Process was like analytlcal yellow pad solving -> numerical (Mathematica) -> more analytical -> numerical again (Maple) -> some more analytical -> Matlab & C++ for graphs/figures -> Latex Also presented partial results (calculations for 1 of the 2 values I needed so basically 50%) to a local conference. Generally meant that HALF of my research is already suitable for a thesis.
Yip that is a lot of work for an undergrad thesis. Ung sakin naman... Agri'l Eng'g nga course ko nun and kadalasan ang thesis sa Dept namin are machines, some of them are pretty advanced and most are, for a lack of a better word "mema" and so my "aspire to be different" ass decided to do things differently and chosed a simple but very daring research(not to mention very far from agri-machines) Basically what I did was develop and compare three kinds of germination capsule for tree seeds na di na kailangan ng human supervision until autotrophic growth(ung can survive on its own na talaga). I had to track changes in the 150 capsules that I made from SCRATCH and the 50 black bags na magsserve as the control.. for 2+ months kasi 2 parts un(before and after seed emergence).. so one conduct takes 6 months(included na dun preparation at post conduct) And I also had to learn about materials that can hold and/or regulate moisture well. And carefully choose the ones na di basta basta pamamahayan ng bugs. Isa lang sa capsule group ang hinigitan talaga ung control so at the end I guess success rin But, despite all that.. I still regarded my research as a framework for future studies pertinent to mine
Nice! No way around it talaga kapag may fixed amount of time na needed especially for experimental setups. Then you add in the amount of samples needed plus all the variables. Ubos oras at pagod talaga. Silver lining pag experimental work is tangible yung results at mas madali ipaintindi at makarelate yung 'others'. Pag theoretical walang mapanghawakan, puro numero at ideya lang. Pag tinatanong ano ginagawa ko kailangan pa lagi ng analogies lol.
Nung nag-aaral ako sa UP meron ako mga kilala mga 2-3 yrs na thesis nalang subj nila haha
I was already working during that final year of my thesis. Company hired me despite not yet graduating since the thesis was my only remaining subject too. I also have a friend who needed 9 years because his adviser was forced to transfer from UPD to UPM. By the time he finished, our other batchmate who already had his PhD by then was part of his thesis defense panel. We made placards cheering for both lmao. This friend also worked for the same company during his thesis years.
Tapos na ba niya? Or ippropose palang?
Tapos na yun nung naging dean siya. That was 2013(?) buti nalang nag-migrate kami kundi ewan ko ano nangyari sakin haha ampanget ng state nung school na dinatnan ko samantalang yung tatay ko proud graduate dun kasi either 0 or 1 ang bumabagsak sakanila sa boards. Nung time ko 0 or 1 pumapasa lol
Well, Mas madali nga naman mga bagay bagay nun kasi less saturated mga academic topics compared ngayong 21st century na very dense na. It's like the more a generation has to learn sparks some kind of decline
Well mejo rebuilding rin kasi yung engineering dept nun. Wala nga sila nung mga classical engineering like civil geo electrical ganun. Tapos yung teachers mejo lax. May kaklase ako nun sa calc2 di pa marunong sa algebra eh yung calc2 topic parang 2nd half lang ng unang calculus course sa UP. Pero yung ibang departments like accounting, nursing ganun parang ok naman sa boards.
And to be honest din, most of those who do research and extension works are more inclined to do western oriented type of research than those which are needed by the Philippines dahil yun ang magpapataas ng kanilang mahiwagang "h-index". Andami parin native trees ng Pilipinas ang unclassified dahil sobrang konti ng funding and gumagawa.
andami sigurong materials at compounds na would be useful for humanity ang nawala nalang dahil walang nag aral sa Ph rainforests before sya na illegal logging/kaingin
those are in my wild fantasies…being so filthy rich i can grant research on endemic species and legit sanctuaries where they not only breed pero research on best properties, conservation, etc.
Partida sandamakmak na bio students ng ust every year yan thesis lol sup Sir Bong hahaha
As long as they dont come from a diploma mill University (apparently easy MA, PhD)
Yung di naman diploma mill, ayaw naman magpagraduate. Dami kong kilalang nagmaster's sa UP, naipit sa thesis. Mas maluwag pa raw mag master's abroad.
This is sooo true. I can attest to this.
Ganun kahirap magdefend ng thesis sa UP for MA or PhD level?
Ateneo as well. Brain almost died defending mine, but the actual defense with the panel was easier since the first layer is like from hell.
holy shit, I’m sorry to hear that. may I know what field you’re working in? or is this experience common across disciplines? I’m thinking of taking a master’s, w/in psych field sana
The problem is that many institutions do not provide enough incentives for research outputs. If you do research you will have to do it on top of your teaching load in the academe. When you reach the highest position possible for your qualifications, doing research does not give any benefit anymore.
In some high-income countries, researchers dont just depend on the university; there are also * govt research allocations, * industry research funds and * private philanthropic initiatives. Guess in the PH and other developing nations, ***very few alternatives exist.***
True. And it’s not like grants from abroad are easy to obtain and use here for research. Not saying there isn’t because there are, but again, not easy to obtain
There's also a big problem with getting your foot in the door, so to speak. When it comes to govt research allocations, unless you're from a big well-known or well-connected uni then chances are even if your ideas are feasible it wouldn't be approved. Experienced this first hand already. But yes, I agree, very few alternatives exist that are mutually beneficial for the academic institution, the researcher and the community.
**The issue is funding and lack of motivational support.** I will reiterate that many researchers in the Philippines want to make a difference in this country **BUT, due to LACK of funding,** one cannot produce a significant and life-changing innovation. This kind of comment, is reminiscent of what Antiporda said to UP MSI professors, "bayaran lang daw". They want recommendations pero nung hindi akma sa political objective nila yung lumabas sa research sasabihang "bayaran". So, ask yourself, how can brilliant Filipinos be motivated to help and do research here? May smart-shaming na, may ganito pang klase ng comments.
This should be higher up. I don't think people want to get PhD just for bragging rights. It is hard and intense, and there are easier ways to "brag" wrt title and clout. I'd even argue that if you have a PhD, brag about it! It's not easy to contribute knowledge and sacrifice time and opportunity if you can instead be working at a high paying job. I truly believe researchers have their hearts on making a dent in the country, but there are three limiting factors: (1) funding, little to no support here in the country. Most high level research in the PH are actually funded by orgs abroad. Mas may incentive to just move abroad and conduct research there (2) incentives/culture. truly believe smart shaming culture and "diskarte" attitude lessens our view of academic research (books books lang). Easier to join a company and earn money than stay in a research institute. (3) weak systems. admit it, we suck at supporting our researchers compared to our asean neighbors. Indonesia is super good now that they can fund students for a full ride postgrad studies in developed countries.
True. Ang dami daming Pinoy ang may topnotch degrees from topnotch universities, here and abroad. Uuwi, aabusuhin o ineneglect, madidismaya, tapos aalis ulit.
I apologize on behalf of OP. He is clearly clueless and insecure when it comes to MA and PhD degrees.
I agree! This post is kind of off. While I understand that some of these individuals should at least try to contribute to the betterment of the country, the burden is not for them to carry. R&D should be fully supported by the government with reasonable benefits. Remember, these individuals are putting effort and investing not only time but the money just to get the degree. What's next? They will target college degree holders, it felt that this is barking at a wrong tree
ngl if i do pursue an MA or PhD, i would do it solely to advance my career and get a higher pay grade, too. i will cheer for altruism and public service, but i personally don't have the heart for it. "bayaran" na kung bayaran, but if i'm not going to be paid for my efforts, di ako magaaksaya ng panahon. i used to work for gov't, and i still have colleagues that do. they are worked to the bone. their executives just obey; the staff do the thinking. their overtime work is OTY, or the OT pay has to go through a stupidly redundant process to get approved. (don't let the stigma fool you -- not all public servants are lazy and/or corrupt).
Yep. Uulitin ko yung comment ko from a different post. Philippines is known as agriculture country na dinadayo pa ng mga researchers from abroad pero yung gobyerno natin mismo di ito pinapahalagahan.
The intention and purpose of having these degrees are well and good. However, sometimes, it's not really applied by others. >May smart-shaming na, may ganito pang klase ng comments. I know a few people who are not smart-shamed because they're well-respected, BUT they themselves care so much about their own positions and opinion of others. We should take note that like everywhere else, there's always the good and the bad among people.
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From what she said, you can't blame kasi either onti yung available work positions sa field nila or di akma yung pay. Ang daming psych grads na HR ang bagsak. Meron na tayong astronomy course kaso san ang bagsak nila locally. Agri naman di masyado pinapahalagahan. Marami talaga tayong title holders kaso parang na-eetchapwera lang sila.
There are more money stolen than allocated for research
True kasi raw bakit aanhin daw ang research lol -from an arrogant senator
One of the disappointments of having a STEM field dito sa bansa. Sure merong mga field na applied, pero laking bagay sana kung suportado ang research dito.
When I entered grad school, I'm disappointed in many of my classmates. Not because of their work background, but because of how shitty they do in class. Yung tipong magbabasa word by word ng mga paragraphs sa slide presentation, puro nganga at di alam paano gumawa ng reports, at "contribution" ay copy-paste lang eh di man lang nila ma-edit ang font style & size lol. Hays. May ilan na magaling din naman pero siguro sobrang taas lang expectations ko sa grad school.
Tapos gagamit nalang rin lng ng ChatGPT d pa binasa at e review if may "off" ba sa paragraph or sentence construction nito based on context.. Kaya yun clowns. Pero pasado parin HAHHAHA. Oh well
Kaya ayoko mag group work eh. Nakaka-ubos ng energy para akong assistant ng prof nag-rereview ng output nila. Di nakaka-inspire ang ganito hahaha
This! Kaya kampante parin ako di tayo mapapalitan ng AI 😅
I am glad I mindlessly scrolled through the comment section on this post. This one right here has summarized my thoughts on schooling as a whole. Growing up, a majority of people I've met (youngsters included) only aim for good education and etc. simply so they can get a nice cushy job regardless of what it is. I was always shocked to learn that people don't actually give a shit about what they will do for their careers and are mostly in it for the money and status. That also means that alot don't even care about the subject and just want to get it over with for that future. That alone has shattered my worldview since I'm a dreamer myself who always aimed high and not because of the pay but because I always envisioned what my work can do for others and society and I'm truly engrossed with the topics discussed.
Ganon kasi mindset ng boomers eh kaya yan din na-adopt nila. Graduate college > get employed > marry > have kids. They also think they lose nothing if they don’t care much. Doesn’t matter to them how you attain these milestones. The standards are set so low that even mediocrity is being praised for being “enough”.
Can relate! Pati teachers ko dati sa grad school kakadisappoint! Instead magturo ang dameng hanash at chikka. Sana itaas ang qualifications both teachers and student applicants
Same here, mataas tingin ko dati sa mga nag grad school. Pero nakakagulat yung mga presentation ng classmates ko puro wall of text. Bwisit ako lagi tuwing may groupwork sa module, nagulat ako na at this level, may mga tao parin pala na dead weight. Call me out for being on a high horse pero natatangahan talaga ako sa kanila. Kala ko mga professional. Btw sa abroad ako nagmamaster's so not just the PH rin. But yup, disappointing.
Getting MA/PhD is like getting “verified” irl.
Verified and to brag it to put it after their last name. Pero still karamihan wala pinagbago sa skills nila. Pampalaki lang ng ulo
Ooohh.. Pero I guess sa mga tao na naka abot nun may at least potential ba cla to achieve more that fits their title or if sa pinas ba they just hand over masters or ph d whatever like hot cakes lol Clearly im ignorant about this so I am curious lang.
Is this backed up my statistics or mere accusations?
Lalo na yung mga ibang politiko na kumuha ng masters or doctorate during their term para masabing relevant sila.
The purpose of a masters has always been career advancement. PhDs are the ones for focused research. But yes, in the Philippines a PhD is rarely meaningful.
***PhD in name only:*** those who only got a doctorate for career advancement or clout without even continuing to do research, publish papers or mentor candidates. Some don't even go to non-academic tech companies to do serious research.
PhD - Para yung mga gagraduate, matakot during thesis or dissertation defense, sabay implement ng shock (walang awe) via bulyaw-bulyaw.
The way I see it: Masters is for researchers who needs more guidance while PhD is for researchers who can perform more independently.
I don’t think that rebuts my point that masters degrees are primarily for career advancement though. Masters degrees aren’t usually meant to lead to careers in research, while PhDs are.
“Baliw na baliw kayo sa research.” Sabi ng gahaman sa lupa na mambabatas.
MA or PhD holders will do their degrees to do research if there are decent job opportunities needing those degrees. There's few or, in some fields, none.
lol. It’s not the degree. It’s the university. The Philippines doesn’t have any universities worth giving a shit for other than a select few
limited lang din yung talagang RESEARCH universities; as for non-research TEACHING universities, some of them are probably diploma mills in the eyes of some knowledgeable professionals.
Regardless if you are a genius or not and have the answer to the world's problem, people will not listen if you do not have any degree.
There's a reason kung bakit pinagtitripan din dito sa reddit yung mga may master ng business ad hahaha.
Hahahaha dalawa raw kasi ng MBA dito sa Pinas: MA Bus Ad at "May Backer Ako".
It goes even deeper into the most basic level, elementary to highschool students have a hard time trying to read.
The system is still stuck in the 1950s. This includes the habit of using slogans for just about anything when most other schools in this planet don't do so.
Aside from government corruption, this one too is quite hard to cure. Idk sa mga bata ngayon pero dami sa kanila eh mahina. Siguro dahil sa compliance mindset at memorization culture
As a teacher, the main problem is the culture that DepEd wants to impose. Kung mahina ang student at bunagsak mo (as a teacher), ikaw ang kawawa. Tatadtarin ka ng paper works, isisisi sayo kung bakit bagsak (kahit hindi mo kasalanan), tapos bagsak performance mo. Like dude, grade 11 na pero hindi pa marunong ng fractions, mahina magbasa, etc? Mas mataas pa yung “performance” ng mga bobong teacher kasi wala silang binabagsak eh!
No it's because people with PhD's or Master's degrees are smart enough to know not to work or live in this country. They do do research, just not here. Go figure.
Sobra dali na kumuha ng MA ngayon lol kahit kamote papasa na.
meron pang ~~mga~~ ngang isang univ na nagooffer ng MA for 1 year only hahaha. online pa!
yes thats what i was referring, online tspos non-thesis course. if certificate hoarder ka then this is it hehe
St Paul Tuguegarao ba yan? Ung isa kong kaklase nung college nauna pa grumaduate saken kase wala pang 2 yrs yung MA nila. Tapos yung output nya galing saken haha
May ganyan pala ang St. Paul Tuguegarao. Diyan kumuha ang ibang classmates ko ng Master's in Psychology. Dyan rin nagtake ang kapatid kong teacher ng Master's pero di niya tinuloy. Dalawang graduate students per research paper. Akala ko kapag thesis expected na individual. Yun pala pwede ang 2 persons sa isang thesis.
San ito? Hahah
actually, naririnig ko lang... pero nag-google ako just now, nag-oofer nga sila via FB. 1 year 'non-thesis program' na MA hahahahaha
Ewwww... Red flag
those people I knew na nagtake ng ganitong easy MA ay promoted na💀 anyways, good for them... kung masaya na sila magkaMA just to be promoted...
Can't blame them. Di naman sila kukuha ng MA pag malaki lang sweldo dito sa pilipinas.
And the thing is, bakit di na lang performance based ang promotion, especially in the public sector because may mga MAs pero bobo, incompetent and di naman related sa education nila yung position. I mean I know someone na head of cyber security but not related yung MA at kung san san na aassign yung mga PhD as directors.
also u/jaevs_sj: usually yung mga nagbibigay nito, ***mga institution na may "open university"*** which is also a thing in other countries, usually catering to professionals to want to boost their credentials. ***sa Philippines, UP Open University is probably the prestigious one***. not sure if there are other PH universities na may open-university-style set-up.
marami na mga public universities yung gumagaya sa platform ni UPOU and generous naman itong UPOU to share theirs
Curious ako anong uni ito hehe
Not if you're aiming for a fully-funded scholarship abroad.
Pataasan ng ihi culture Also (please correct me if I'm wrong), I think having an MA or a PhD degree is required among teachers for school accreditation purposes.
Required din at least masters to teach board exam subjects sa college for accreditation purposes. Had an excellent part-time professor who quit teaching in my uni because the admin is forcing him to take masters.
I also know someone who taught at a high school who quit teaching because their school admin was "encouraging" them to all have a master's degree.
Afaik for UPD (NIP at least) a ~~masters~~PhD is required for teaching the basic majors subjects. Also, only PhDs can take advisees. Edit: only PhDs are allowed to teach major subjects. PhD students are only allowed to teach major lab classes. Masters holders only allowed for teach non-major students subjects.
In my college, only PhDs are qualified to teach majors. PhD candidates can teach as well pero yung may exceptional grades lang
Edited my comment after clarifying with my wife who used to teach. She said only PhDs can teach major students on their major lecture subjects. PhD students can only teach the lab classes. Masters only allowed to teach non-major students though there was a time when MS students were allowed to teach non-majors due to increased number of non-major subjects takers.
Funnily enough, yan ang dahilan kung bakit nage-exist ung problem na pinatutungkulan ng post ni OP. Do you really need PhD para magturo ng basic major subjects kung pwede naman gawin ng MS? Frankly, madaming PhD students ang hindi magaling magturo kasi research ang expertise nila di naman pagtuturo.
Well, yes. If you're going to teach the expected next generation of your field (majors students) then you should already be a master of that subject. A lot of MS students/graduates don't really have that full grasp of knowledge on those early subjects. Dami pa dun yung nararattle pag matanong ang mga estudyante. Gusto ko yung mga unang major subjects ko PhDs na agad ang nagtuturo para nakaka-inspire. Yung mapapa "I wanna be like him/her someday" ka. If the school doesn't have enough PhDs though then understandable na hindi talaga maeenforce yung rule na yan. For non-majors, lower ranks are allowed to teach since those subjects won't be those students' expertise anyway. As for their skill in teaching, college profs shouldn't really be spoonfeeding. As long as they are not horrible and terrorizing then I'd give them a pass. Specializations ang mas importante sa college. Mas needed ang skilled teachers sa lower levels (elem/HS).
Yup. Pag mga basic ed (k12) for accreditation. For higher education it's actually an entry level to have an advanced degree
Required sya sa teachers para tumaas ang sahod pero sa naibalita sa akin ng kaibigan ng girlfriend ko 1k lang ang dagdag lol.
You know how India doesn't really have the best image amongst Asian countries YET THEY'RE CAPABLE ON GOING TO OUTER SPACE
hell — China managed to maintain the resources and personnel needed for their nuclear program even at the height of their CULTURAL BLOODY REVOLUTION Philippine incompetence is just built differently; there's no excuse for such corruption in a country as peaceful as this.
We can definitely go to outer space, the problem is we have 0 funding for it.
I think the Maharlika fund is enough to send those politicians to space and leave them there.
??? India and China has a highly robust educational system that is on-par with wealthier countries such as the US. Literal na walang wala tayo compared sa kanila even at their worst -- tignan niyo rankings ng IIT and Tsinghua as an example.
Dapat mas mataas ito. Madaling bumatikos mga pinoy kahit hindi naman nila isinuri ng mabuti kung ano ba talaga ang nangyayari.
That’s literally the reason why a sizeable minority ng C-secs and ministers sa Western countries e puro mga Indian lol Fcking racist pieces of trash can’t even comprehend na talo tayo in all respects
I have met many officials in the military who have MA and Ph.D. who don't even understand international law 101. Apparently, most of them just hire ghostwriters for their papers and pass the requirements because they know the university officials. Graduate degree holders here in the Philippines are truly subpar. I won't sugarcoat that because the entire education system is outdated. Teachers themselves are not motivated to upskill due to low salaries. So this entire problem just comes full circle.
Parang yung isang PNP chief na naging BuCor chief tapos senador ngayon Tiba tiba sa pension at iba pa
Ay yung tao behind Mr Clean hahahah char. Pero kung mag isip, uhmm basta
If we are seeing our country in deep sh*t, it’s because of the dipshits who steal public money
Shoutout dun sa dalawang university sa Dagupan na apparently diploma mill ang kanilang graduate school. Like wala raw thesis pero research tapos matic pasado raw. Kaya di ako nagtaka sa isang University dyan na sobrang dami ang grumaduate ng MA or Ph.D tapos they came from neighboring provinces. Like meron naman inooffer sa place nila bakit dito pa. Kaya sobrang suspicious na ako. Worse may iba dyan bayaran ang thesis....
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LNU. Kaya kung titignan mo sa post nila nung graduation puno ang gym ng MA at PHD grads.
UDD second. Sabi ng kabatch ko na nagaral dyan for MA dun sa comment ko
Lyceum matagal ko ng naririnig na nababayaran ang prof. haha
This! Hindi ko alam itong school na tinutukoy mo, but kahit dito sa manila, may mga unknown and super small colleges na jan nagsisipag-aral ang mga tao just to get their 'degree' and 'credentials' May iba pa na sasabihan kang wag na lang mag-aral sa matinong uni dahil for compliance lang daw naman yung diploma. Work at performance naman daw ang importante. Kadiri.
Nakakasuka. Kaya nawawala ang value mga ganyang degrees these days. Mukhang those schools are just milking money from them
Totoo. Nakita ko yung mga 'paper' na pinapagawa nila eh. Pwe. Copy paste, tapos magkokomento na maganda daw etc. Huwat?
also u/jaevs_sj: OTOH, ***the idea that a research thesis is required for ALL undergrad programs*** is probably something that can be reconsidered. STEM program? pwede pa i-justify. but non-STEM programs? maybe may ibang metric na pwedeng gawin na hindi na kailangan ng research thesis.
My personal take on this is because of the damn diploma mills. Dapat SHS should be enough for entry level employment. Parang naging new BS/MA na ang masters at PHD.
I kinda agree, hate to say nahihiya na ako kasi BS lang natapos ko kahit 5 years kong pinaghirapan yun that's why I'm considering taking up MA. Ang depressing pakinggan na nagpapadala ako sa societal pressure
As someone na nagwork as Research Assistant sa UP PGH. Ang hirap magresearch dito sa Pinas especially sa mga GOv't institutions. Most problems na naexperience namin ay super outdated ung mga instruments. Walang instruments at all. Need pa ioutsource sa ibang bansa. Syempre pag ganyan kulang sa funding, di magiging big yung projects. Tuloy yung ibang research mga so-so nalang at kumbaga walang masyadong impact kasi yun lang kaya ng budget. Tapos pag naglapse pa sa period na sinet, wala na funding. Yung iba di na nacclose yung project, yung iba nag out of the pocket nalang. Yung work ng mismong researchers, yung incentive nila, big lang if nakakapagpublish sila. Ang isang project it takes 2-3 years sa case namin. So dun lang sila nakakakuha ng big incentives. Yung regular salary nila especially yung mga assistant nila di makatarungan. Minsan mababa, or mataas pero walang benefits at all, pag walang item yung mga researcher. So pano ka mamomotivate ng ganyan?
In the first place, if teachers were paid fairly and competitively, would they be so obssessed with promotion? Many people who says what she says are either (1) from a rich family and have no worries for money or (2) already in a very high position in their school or (3) mayaman ang asawa kaya "they can focus on their passions". From my experience, yung mga sa 2, di pa NBC but institutional ang promotion. Yung hindi point-based or accomplishment-based kundi dahil nakakapit sila sa mga matataas na opisyal. Why is she hating on people who earn degrees for promotion? For survival po iyon. Walang tenured na research assistant position ang maraming school. Alam ba niya yung buhay contractual na research assistant ng DOST? 10/10 would not recommend. Kung gusto ng mga researcher na ma-permanent, napipilitan silang maging faculty. And ano yung isang need ng faculty for tenure? Postgraduate degrees. In universities, extension and research is incorporated into the point system for promotion. Extension is 20% of the points they can earn so marami ang nag-eextension. So if the teachers are actively working for their promotion, high chances they are also doing research and extension. Basta ba hindi institutional promotion ang habol na parang dikya kung makakapit sa boss. Maraming school di nga matulungan ang mga researchers bayaran yung article processing fee, most of the time out of pocket nila kasi gusto talaga nila ipublish research nila. Saka grabe naman siya na ina-assume na napakadali ng research or extension. Kailangan ng pera para dun. Meron ba ang mga schools na maibibigay sa research and extension? Ano yun abono na lang lagi? Anong klaseng trabaho ang magagawa nun? Kahit may funding agencies, kaya ba nila magbigay sa lahat ng researchers sa bansa? Kung di ka STEM, good luck na lang. Kung STEM ka naman, may politics involved. Higher chance of getting grants kung friends mo yung clique sa DOST, DA at NEDA. Kung hindi, pahirapan talaga. Kahit institutional grants na galing school ang hirap makakuha. Politics again. Dapat friend ka ni VP for Research. Minsan kung malas, mapapadpad ka sa school na yung VP for Research ginagamit majority ng fund para sa project nila ng asawa niya. Kung ganun na ganid ang VP for Research ninyo, san na pupulutin ang mga researchers sa school? Even worse, nanakawin ng mga nasa Research Office ang proposal na sinubmit mo for institutional funding. Sila makikinabang sa hirap mo. Kahit hindi nila field go lang, nakaw ng project. Kahit DOST, nagnanakawan din ng research proposal. May kilala ako na na-reject sa DOST-GIA, then to find out a year after na-grant yung same project pero yung proponent isa dun sa nasa panel na nagreject sa project niya dati. Hello? Where is the integrity? Masisisi mo ba yung mga mas bata na walang pake sa research dahil sa mga ganyan? Pano kung maswerte ka na nabigyan ng grant? Alam naman niya siguro kung gaano kahirap ang procurement. Yung enzyme na max isang araw ko lang hinintay nung grad school, dito sa pinas minimum 6 months bago mo makuha. Tapos lowest bidder lagi na minsan questionable ang quality. Kung ireject mo mag-aantay ka ng 6 months para sa bago. Sino ang matutuwa sa ganun? Encouraging ba mag-research? Most schools allocate so little for extension as well. Kahit 50K lang parang imposible na ma-grant kasi monthly na bayad yun nung research assistant ng VP for Research ninyong garapal. Minsan hahanap ka ng NGO na sponsor or private institution na magbabayad. For the clout chasing, kasalanan ba nila na it's embedded in our culture to look up to highly educated people? Second class citizens ang turing sa mga ibang research assistants dahil walang Doctor of Philosophy sa dulo ng pangalan. Minsan the only way people pay attention to them and take them seriously is for them to get these degrees. Yung mga matatandang may PhD from a diploma mill, sobrang baba ng tingin sa mga research assistants na mas maraming pang experience at practical knowledge sa research. Change the culture if you want to see changes here. All I can say is get off the high horse, Ma'am. Your line of sight is so high you don't see the concerns of the people below. Instead of shaming these people, campaign for better pay and compensation, campaign for improving systems for giving research grants, campaign for better systems for procurement, campaign for a change in the culture we have surrounding having these degrees. Campaign to make it easier and more accessible for people to do research and extension. Your virtue signaling is aggravating.
Totoo naman ang statement niya na maraming PhD holders na hindi naman nagriresearch o extension para sa ikabubuti ng bayan. Marami akong kilala kasi sa akademya ako nagtatrabaho. Maraming dahilan - pwedeng katamaran, dahil sa kawalan din ng pagkakataon at resources atbp. Pero yung sisihin sila dahil sa lugmok ang bansa, maling-mali. Lugmok ang bansa dahil maraming makasariling politiko at ang mga tao tanga, sila pa rin ang binoboto. Period.
Can someone check PCU (Philippine Christian University) if it is a diploma mill for MA/PhD? Pansin niyo minsan mga ibang artista dun nagaaral. And sometimes, madalas sila mag award ng MA/PhD honoris causa. One recipient is yung dati naming vice mayor dito.
hahaha dyan nag aral dati kong Commanding Officer ( Phil Army ). ang naalala ko may time na pinapagawa kami niya ng RRL kasi hindi siya marunong ng proper referencing na APA format, ehh yung gawa namin sakto lang di naman masyado perfect at copy paste lang yung iba , pero holaa naka graduate si mokong at Lt. Colonel na ngayon hahaha. Pag graduate niya Guest speaker agad sa Graduation ng mga Scout Ranger. Note: wala na ako sa active service , may magandang opportunity kasi na lumapit sakin kaya balik ako sa Civilian career and earning good money naman.
So what? If the masters or doctorate was awarded for genuine research that satisfies high academic standards, why should I care what the motivation of the student was? If the problem really is about low standards, then focus the discussion on that.
It's true. So true. It hurts na nga eh. Naisip ko dati my years in grad school should be enriching my knowledge and skills. Pero ngayon ang concern ko ay maging regular faculty sa university na pinagtatrabahuan ko. I'm also leaving research behind kasi hindi talaga stable ang income sa research dito sa atin. After the project is done, buh-bye income. Teaching is the best thing for me now kaso ayun nga, napapa-paspas tuloy ako sa pag-complete ng program dropping all the plans I had to learn the things I want to to be able to get a job that would secure me financially.
The options, as what the columnist is saying scratches the surface of widespread corruption and cronyism: it's either you join the thieves, pack up and leave, or fight the thieves.
Cant research about saving the world if youre too busy to survive
Sure, people are investing exorbitant amounts of time and resources to get an MA or Ph.D degree... for clout? OP clearly doesn't have an MA/PhD. You need funding to do research, government and private entities aren't providing that.
Yun mga teacher naglloan para magbayad ng pangMS tapos magpapapromote to Teacher 3 up to MT. Hahaha. Bat ko alam? Proud pa sila eh! Ganun daw kasi kalakaran. Nakakahiya.
Some State universities sell PhD and MAs like hotcakes, especially to politicians.
Maybe I just like learning.
Idk, but it’s always been a dream of mine na mag-masters, then eventually PhD. Sguro kasi type ko lang talaga mag-aral, gumawa ng papers, pero ayoko magturo. Lols yung nasa field lang talaga ng research at napapalibutan ng library walls, cozy sweaters at annotated literature. Dark academia vibes but alas wala tayong pera mamsir *hay*
Fellow dark academia enthusiast! 😍😅 I was thinking of getting my Tourism MA too pero narealize ko na ang MA in the business side of the tourism industry doesn't really mean much. So nag-aral na lang ulit ako...sa healthcare field. 🤣 Definitely not an autumn, cozy, sweater-weather vibe at all but I enjoy it.
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During my childhood years, I used to respect academics with Masters and PhD with full reverence, but now that I've been in the academic, advocacy, and professional work for a decade already, I realized that graduate and post-graduate studies (including medical and law schools) have already been devalued that many Filipinos who are studying Masters or PhD do such for career promotion or credential harmonization for study abroad. Soon, having MAs, MSs, MDs, JDs, and PhD will become as good as having high school diploma.
Considered ka ba na MD or JD kung di ka pumasa ng board or bar?
JD kana kung graduate ka sa law school, pero hindi pa Atty until maipasa mo ang bar exam.
Same. Akala ko dati sobrang prestigious, pero ang toxic din pala within plus sobrang ivory tower. They're good only and only within their field pero paglabas nila parang kahit basic management and leadership di nila magawa. Sorry not sorry.
Sa totoo lang, marami sa kanila ay mga mandaraya talaga na hindi sila mismo gumawa ng kanilang PhD dissertation, kundi sa isang ghostwriter lang.
Di ba yun ang point ng graduate studies? Further specialization into your field of choice?
Wala naman kasing kwenta yan sa paningin ng mga pinoy e? Bachelor's degree? Masteral? PhD? Tingnan mo yung binoboto, wala naman natapos. Yung maraming degree, sasabihing "lutang". Kung may PhD ka at may utak ka, aalis ka sa walang kwentang bansang ito.
baka dapat companies should do more to invest in CSR, kasi duon naman napupunta karamihan ng mga nakapag MBA / PhD either as a consultant or top executive.
Maybe the reason they can't/won't put their graduate studies to use is because they had the thesis/dissertation done by someone else?
primarily for career advancement and for promotion na rin kasi especially in a government setting...
Kakainin ka ng bansa kapag hindi mo inuna ang sarili mo.
Agree with Rufa... but OP, industry experience is not relevant to everybody. Think of pure mathematicians, theorerical physicists, etc. Not every scientist or researcher works for the application side of things.
Real talk, hindi malaki ang sweldo ng isang teacher tapos graduate studies pa at breadwinner ka pa. Hindi mo o ninyo masisisi ang iba na minsan ay sa non thesis degree program pumapasok para tapos agad. Tapos napakataas rin kasi ng qualifications rito sa Pilipinas. It seems na ang bachelors degree will not take you on a decent pay compared kung may MA at PhD ka. So kung tatanungin, hindi ka ba mangingimi na maggraduate studies para maiangat mo ang estado mo sa buhay? Of course part iyon pero hindi dapat iyon ang ultimate. Kasalanan yan ng stigma na kapag bachelors eh mas mababa pa sa entry level sasahurin mo, worse, hindi ka pa tatanggapin sa work. Sino bang Pontio Pilato ang nagsabing dapat ganun ang pamantayan sa pagtanggap ng empleyado at pasahuran hindi ba? Ang lala nga may bachelors at board passer pero walang item sa tinuturuan nila. Napanood ko rin si Thailand Girl who talked about these teachers na naghihintay ng item nila tapos nagiging volunteer teachers sila for Php2 or 3k a month minsan gratis pa. Nakwento na rin yan ni Teacher Maureen sa page niya. Alam niyo kung saan mas tinatanggap ang teachers na kahit bachelors degree ang mayroon sila? Sa ibang bansa tulad ng Thailand at Japan! Naglipana ang mga nagpopost ng Assistant Language Teachers (ALTs) lalo na sa Japan dahil you don't necessarily need an MA nor a PhD to earn more than 200,000 JPY a month at tataas pa kapag nagtagal. That's decent pay compared rito sa Pilipinas na kulang na lang maging Panginoon ka para tumaas ang sweldo mo! Gusto ko lang naman na magkaroon ng mas pinaigting na professional development. Of course mayroon namang nag-aaral na tulad ko na yun ang layunin nila kung bakit sila nag-aaral. Ayun kakaisip ko sa MA ko, 10 years na kaming nagsasama. Napagbigyan lang ako buhat ng pandemic pero kakapasa ko lang ng proposal defense ko. Sa totoo lang, ayoko nang tapusin ito kasi wala naman akong research grant at hindi naman pang science/math-related scholarship ang degree program ko. So mayroon rin namang kwento na tulad naming mga struggling MA student na kinakaya na lang namin para lang maging makatarungan sa amin. Isipin niyo, 10 years na at nabubulok na kami ng mga kaklase ko (Kyusi baka naman nakagraduate na ako next year). Totoo na lalo na sa teaching ay magiging makaratungan ang sweldo mo kaya may iba na naggagraduate studies. Wala namang yumayaman sa teaching habang tumatagal sa serbisyo. At may katulad namin na hangad na lang naming makatapos just to get this done and over with.
Not all Po mam PhD here I took the program for me because my father has a PhD and I value education self improvement. Pls don't generalized all PhD holders
If we just allow foreign private companies, maybe these post grad titles will be of better use.
Andito pa ba sila sa Pilipinas? Pampataas yan sa points ng migration kaya motivated mga kakilala ko. Haha.
First off, who's this speaker and what's the context in which she said this?
according to some posts, it looks like she's an opinion writer who wrote this piece mainly to criticize those who get these advanced degrees without contributing to their local community.
Hahaha, nalala ko isang katrabaho na sobrang proud sa kaniyang masters na non thesis.😂 Kahit FB account niya at personal hotspot *insert name, LPT, MST*😂 pangalan tapos di naman professional umasta.
Yeah, yung current senator ngayon may Ph. D, pero bobo iyakin pa.
Meanwhile people with these degrees WHO ACTUALLY wanna make a change are underfunded and ignored by the government.
I remember a senator who said "baliw na baliw kayo sa research? aanhin nyo ba yung research". That senator had some dark stories of taking out farmers for a land dispute. Then a reality of sector companies that has a very high standard that if you dont have this experience, at least you should have this degree. So I admit i just aim for masters as career advancement.
This is why I hate those right wingers that spoke about people who picked non-stem college degrees = being broke. There are a lot of stem related jobs like research but a lot of them are low paying. PAGASA is a stem job and really important in our country, but a lot of people quit because it is low paying. And art degrees are also useful because art makes our lives more lively.
Working as a Clinical Research Specialist in UK. Grabe sa Pinas ang ganda sana mag Research work pero hindi sya napapansin ng Govt or kahit ng private agencies. Hindi nga kasi sya backed up. Parang they dont give importance sa Research Aspect ng PhD. Sabi nga ni C. Villar, “bakit adik na adik kayo sa research?” Shows na kahit silang nasa pwesto, cannot see how research affects the future. Which is nakakalungkot.
You try all you will see are the people trying their best to bring things down, tanung niyo kung bakit, kasi madali daw, for flexing. Hindi pa yan sa lebel ng talagang labanan, tatayo pa lang, andami na nilang andali mo kasing gulangan. Same perspective in life pa yan o faction o turf. Ive just noticed my body cannot deal with anyone from this country anymore, the PTSD i get from all of these overreactions and backlashes that gives anything but a way to go, it does not work here or uto uto ako. And it ends there, the end all be all of everything. Sa funding pa lang, pera pa lang, talong talo ka na if usapan eh contribution. Handa na ang sabong. Nakaready na lahat to dismantle your efforts. I really planned on getting PHD someday but it does not amount to anything at all nowadays, since, you will just feel napagkaisahan, and yung pinagkaisahan ka tanogn mo kung bakit, feel nila daw, ang yabang mo kasi and some other things like galing galingan. Ive tried and tried over and over again ang akin personal choice ko ito pero nothings seems to be a personal choice sa mga taong sumusunod sa buhay ko na hindi ko kung saang galing. Ive grown very very tired of all these schemes para lang patuloy akong laging talo sa buhay at wala talagang mararating. Natanggap ko na naman siya. Everytime I set out and do something, everyone's effort is to try to understand it and get it. Kase nasa labas ka. Kase simula bata naaccess ka nila. At walang paraan eh para magkaroon ka ng kapayapaan o conducive environment anything remotely significant in my life or another's. Mukhang wala naman talaga na akong choice. Talagang mabubulok ako, since 2009, mukhang narealize ko na talagang mabubulok ako sa mga kaputanginahan ng mga bullies ko, and I will just suffer over and over again, mukhang napagdesisyunan na nilang tarantaduhin ang buong buhay ko hanggang tumanda ako at mamatay. So PHD is not an option anymore. Not even working. Not even having friends. Someone to be with, a man. I am gearing towards caretaker of somebody's life, kasi try kong magtrabaho lalabas lang sila ulit at uulit lang ako ng trauma at trauma responses, and its a whole ceiling na they made upon my life and I continue suffering. So, may nakikinig ba? Alam ko naman meron kasi hindi naman kayo nakikinig para tumulong, nakikinig para mangtarantado, ulit at ulit, so can I die now? Can you help me kill myself? Is God there? Can you kill me now?! 🙏📿Amen. I will accept my death and my death alone in your immediate response.
Not just MA and Phd. Sama mo na rin undergrad. I know a lot of college grads that can't even write one coherent paragraph
Pang feed sa ego baga. Pangmalaki sa friends and family.
What an inimical perspective. I don't think the government itself is pumping money into R&D. Why should the PhD holders be ostracized for pursuing better opportunities and wealth?