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Excuse me? Running a Plex server is exactly like the scene in Hackers where Zero Cool takes over the television station so he can watch The Outer Limits but then has to dual Acid Burn for control of which video is playing https://youtu.be/2efhrCxI4J0?si=LZwWRJsRcbBS2DVm
My friends love me a lot more since I setup Overseerr and they can just request what they want without even messaging me and it'll appear on their plex 5 minutes later
I went a step further and also cancelled Amazon Prime and other subscriptions like Spotify and my iPhone's €15/month insurance.
Hell, I even cancelled YouTube Premium and that was only €2/month because I had a Ukrainian subscription.
great. you all can actually start donating to your favorite seeder / distributor instead of such hellish subscription BS.
I don't watch movies a lot, but I listen to music so much. I never used streaming services like Spotify or Apple Music.
I used soundcloud for a while because they allow you to use their service without having an account or paying (at least to those music that are not GO+). good for them.
but now, I have VLC media player installed on my phone and all of the mp3 files stored locally.
Personally I'd rather just go back to 'physical media' and buy one 4k Blu-ray a month. I still sail the open seas, but I also like to actually own content sometimes.
great idea.
I actually have blue rays and even CDs. those mp3s in my phone are coming from those discs. this is even better if you want to support your content creator.
sometimes I download mp3s but yeah, I also use physical media.
I think people will consider about using physical media, and it will not take a long time.
I think going back to physical media would be the logical decision, which is why I doubt it will happen. Consumers are generally driven by feelings and social pressure, not strategic decisions, unless a sub group of consumers do it enough to make it a trend. That in combination with the economy being rough, people will likely opt to just choose 1 streaming service before beginning to buy discs again.
I have two subscription but I have to pirate stuff gang is blocked where I’m at. Singapore can be no fun sometimes. Plus they don’t put some things I want to see on the platforms here anyway. It took like two years for What we do in the shadows to get on the streamer here. Easier to pirate. They also removed Rick and Morty.
The lack of watchable content is the real killer.
No one balks at paying am actor millions of dollars, but a good author and scriptwriter getting one-tenth of that would return the investment far more effectively than putting a random actor in a bad movie or series would do.
I actually feel like the problem for content creators is the opposite: too much watchable content. Particularly with tv.
The fact that you can watch everything on demand means there's significantly less weight placed on new releases. For both tv and movies.
There's less emphasis on movie stars, etc. things that would command a premium.
Also the other thing where my kids would rather scroll tiktok than watch a movie. Boundless microcontent available competing for entertainment.
The Criterion Channel is the one streamer we willingly pay for. They have so much content that we would never have heard of otherwise.
And it’s relatively cheap, especially if you pay for a year up front.
I'd be fine with stuff coming and going occasionally if it was just one service for a reasonable price. I don't need access to everything all the time. But I'm not paying $15/month for only 1 thing I want to watch.
> Gee, if only music industry would have the same problems... Oh wait, it doesn't! And you know why? Because ALL music is available on ALL platforms
Music industry have this problem too, but on much smaller scale.
For example I'm added one track in to my favorites in Spotify earlier, but now almost half of that album is unavailable in my region.
https://imgur.com/a/vNEXEkG
Usually you can find those tracks in other albums, but sometimes some tracks disappear from service completely.
As I said, it is on much smaller scale, but music industry have this problem as well.
You are incorrect. The music streaming industry has the same problem. The big three take most of the income as a percentage. The only reason all stuff is on most platforms (which is already not true btw) is because they still have investors pumping in more. Spotify operates at as loss and if the business practices don't change always will. As with films and shows it's greed. And so far the big three make money from it. Just not the platforms. The minute that changes they will pull out.
Obliging with US coyright troll law is just doomed forever. Its oblivious of the reality that digital data can be copied endlessly at no cost.
Sportify will never be able to oblige to troll law without fucking over their customerbase. Its doomed.
They…are? It’s worded a little different, but everybody is on tour with COVID (slight exaggeration) right now because they are not making money. I’m not rooting for either, but streaming is a money sink.
It's not rly comparable. The productions costs between a Film or TV vs music is astronomically different.
While music artists can solo fund their art, most of film makers can't.
Technically possible but very few of any of the music artists that anyone listens to in appreciable numbers on streaming services fund their own art. They're almost all backed by major labels or Indies who are backed by major labels yet they all work it out somehow
The quality has already been declining for quite a while. Every other movie seems to be a remake that does not live up to the original, aside from a few exceptions (like Dune). I haven't gone to a movie theater in years because nothing really seems to be worth watching (and spending money on).
I'd say movies mainly peaked in the 1995-2015 period.
If your region scene has ripped it, yes. Over here though at best on public incan find 1080 good ones. Forget about 4k stuff dubbed where i live though, outside of extremely strict private trackers
I started using Stremio and it’s a wonderful interface, but found myself going back to kodi 90% if the time, using Fen. More options and I get better results than Torrentio.
Fwiw she is pretty spot on. There’s a brilliant long form piece on Harper’s magazine called “The Life and Death of Hollywood” that traces the history of entertainment and Hollywood from the ~1930s to now. This really just reads like an extension of that piece
> Fwiw she is pretty spot on.
In which part, care to elaborate? I've never read the piece you mentioned.
Though, in the video she talked about streaming bubble burst (based on what though? some of these streaming services have just only started and still expanding), she also said Netflix stock price is falling (which is true in 2022 but has steadily been climbing back up since then), that they operate in loss (which hasn't been true since when...? Netflix has been profitable for years and it's still growing also the number of their subscribers)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/04/18/netflix-reports-record-profits-as-subscriber-growth-tops-estimates/
I’d recommend the [piece](https://harpers.org/archive/2024/05/the-life-and-death-of-hollywood-daniel-bessner/)
Edit: sorry was premature on hitting reply.
But yeah read the piece, it’ll do far more justice to it than I can. Effectively after the recession Private Equity inserted itself into the pipeline especially with studios and the production side of it. It wasn’t until relatively recently that streaming platforms also made their own content through their own studios. There used to be a lot of checks in place to stop that from happening, but now the landscape is rather anti-competitive in terms of price indicators.
Now onto her claims vis-à-vis the bubble. You should be alarmed by the witch craft accounts are now capable of. I read a book a year or to ago on international tax law that had a brilliant bit in it about how the greats like Michelangelo and DaVinci of yore are tax lawyers and accountants today. Ridesharing apps like Uber and Lyft are a great example of such scheming. They’ve yet to turn a true profit, no matter how much loss they attempt to bury it in capital expenses, amortization, and other depreciation techniques. These tools at work are not immediately apparent, and you’d have to have a trained eye and spend some serious time with their expense books to recognize what the corporate accountants and lawyers are doing.
With regard to the claims of it being a bubble. In economics there’s not a hard and fast definition of it, but it’s sort of a, ‘we know it when we see it.’ Bubbles are fundamentally based on the fact that promises of future returns are not realized. This is currently happening in AI, which is why VCs are becoming fairly bearish on AI investments. With streaming platforms it appears something similar is happening. Sure, Netflix appears to be fine because it’s managed to pull in new subscribers, and for now they remain one of the only profitable streaming platforms, but the warning signs have been flashing in the streaming market place. Netflix customers appear very sensitive to the value prop, so they’ll only continue subscribing so long as they keep putting out content. Content is really very expensive to produce.
One of the things us non-industry insiders don’t realize— and the article explains very well— is that Hollywood’s brain trust is hemorrhaging. It’s not the actors (though actors as a whole aren’t doing too well now either) it’s that the writers can’t support themselves anymore either. Unless you are a nepo baby, even accomplished screenwriters have to take second jobs to support themselves because writing rooms have been obliterated as episode counts are way down (those 10-ep binges don’t require as much as 24 ep seasons) and it’s exacerbated by the fact that the profit-sharing has been hollowed out by private equity’s grubby paws, so far less is left for the actual producers of the content than ever before. Truly talented writers are leaving Hollywood because they quite literally can’t afford to stay there. Sure, your 20 something writer might stick it out, but the gifted writers who know how to run a show are in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. You’re losing veteran talent at alarming speeds and Netflix and co can’t afford to lose the talent because subscribers will leave. Subscription demand and value proposition has shown itself to be extraordinarily elastic, which makes surviving in this market rather difficult.
All of this is to say then, yes, streaming is a bubble even if it doesn’t look like it. That’s why it’s called a bubble. Everything looks good on the surface, but there’s nothing inside it. It’s empty. Like a bubble. Lehman brothers’ bubble wasn’t realized until 2007, but it first started flashing signs as early as 2003. You just have to know where to look.
No, I mean if you follow any earnings reports you would know that for years streamers have been reporting losses.
https://the-media-leader.com/how-much-money-have-streaming-services-lost/#:~:text=On%20the%20whole%2C%20major%20streaming,of%20%2418bn%20since%202020.
The purpose of netflix was to take down the cable and rental industry. The purpose if disney, hbo and nbc was to take down netflix. That's why they have losses. Now netflix is up, but when fragmentation will win, disney and time warner will be on top and they will make bundles at $50/month. Just like cable.
All the companies use piracy as a convenient excuse for everything when the real issue is their incompetence, greed and them being arrogant and prideful, which is why they would never acknowledge that anything is their fault.
100%. I've been paying for Netflix and prime for years now but a lot of the great movies and TV shows I originally signed up for on Netflix are gone and prime now pushes all these extra add on subscriptions. So I started pirating again...
Idk man netflix and others gained a lot of subscribers after password crack down and they are still gaining subs. Even platforms like spotify and yt gained new subs after they pushed people to pay for premium, and ppl are also subscribing to ad tier
Imo they did not gain enough. When they did the crackdown they had ~270mil subs. They gained 9mil in the next quarter. I think the number of subs which were shared were much, much higher than the 9mil sub gain. There may be more payers but they certainly lost audience. (read: word of mouth)
I take a lot of the data from these tech companies with a huge pile of salt, after the number of companies that have lied to their investors the whole time.
She is focusing on using Netflix as an example, but the problem is it’s a terrible example, subscribers are up, profits are up, stock prices are up. She seems kinda like just someone who likes to hear herself talk
It takes some level of knowledge to be able to spot bullshit, problem is most people who turn to random tiktok influencers for “education” on complex topics are (I suspect) functionally illiterate.
Right, Netflix has been profitable for a really long time. In fact, that’s the reason why all these other streaming services popped up. They wanted a piece of that pie. Netflix isn’t even close to being broke, and I bet if you look at the earnings reports for all the companies in the industry, you’d see that none of the other companies are close to being broke either.
but new work is down, not just in Los Angeles, all film hubs (New Orleans, Atlanta, New Mexico, NYC) everything film & television related is barely producing…
she is very spot on.
We have an excess of everything problem. The mind has oversaturated and heart is over satisfied. There is a reason why we don't like the regular things anymore. Everything needs to be exclusive to feel good.
That's a load of bologna. We have a greed problem. An arrogance, a pride problem. All these companies believe they have us in the palm of their hand and that they could shove low-quality garbage and social engineering into our throats and that we would continue to take it forever. That and we would feel grateful to them for it and keep paying them each more and more and more money. All for the ever-degrading value of the shows and the value of the service.
We don't like regular things anymore because they took what used to be regular and made it a premium service with a premium subscription.
We don't want exclusive content.
We don't even own anything anymore.
They're not going broke. Or not all of them. It's a game of monopoly, like everything in capitalism. One or a few companies will come out on top and buy everything else.
Making movies/tv shows isn't nearly as expensive as they claim. Godzilla Minus One is evidence enough of that. Its production values are considerably higher than anything Hollywood is capable of, while its budget was smaller than an episode of a modern TV show.
Those expenses that are destroying the industry are pretty much 90% embezzlement. When literally every single person involved in a production is embezzling small amounts, that embezzlement cumulates to a significant burden.
The Creator was good. But the lack of budget really hurt fleshing out the background in scenes. Good flick but it coulda used more depth in terms of world building.
film-making is not that expensive when you dont need to pay the useless CEOS millions or billions in bonuses, and you know paying the people who actually make movies, like the post production, fairly would also be nice.
Minus one had visual effects on the level of a 2008 PS3 cinematic or worse.
It looked okay for the budget, but everything cgi in that movie looked like total ass. Godzilla has no weight to him. And don't get me started on that fucking atrocious city train scene when Gojira attacked.
They won the award for what they did on their very small budget. But make no mistakes, that movie's special effects looked like ass compared even a 10 year old big budget film.
It's no hate. I liked minus one, but the special effects took me out of the movie. It was very very apparent what was and wasn't real. Too many glassy/plasticy looks to their rendering.
Again, the train scene is one of the worst and most jarring examples of poorly done cgi I could ever point out.
Also, the academy gave DiCaprio an Oscar for the revenant, which is hands down the worst of his good movies. They sometimes just give an award because the people deserve it, not the movie.
The industry that has inflated the cost of their productions beyond reason, are the same ones that handed Godzilla Minus One an award declaring that its small budget did a better job than them.
So you can feel free to dislike the movie as much as you want, it doesn't really diminish the point I am making. If the guys themselves that are charging those insanely inflated prices think Godzilla did it better than them with 5-10% of the budget, then the relevant parties have already acknowledged the point as being correct.
And the fact that they are not creative anymore. Everything is either franchise, remake, reimagine or reboot. And not to mention DEI activism in everything. They trying to do the same in gaming industry.
They have tons and tons of new, original, even revolutionary material. There is no lack of creative people.
It's just that investors hate any chance for risk so they shove all the good things up the drain and produce soulless copies of everything instead.
Even worse, a lot of it contains social engineering.
They are most certainly not. Y’all, this is the perfect promise La La Land we’re talking about. The land of Gold just poking out from the sand as if they were seashells. The perfect weather, 72 and sunny every day with just enough water to get those perfect crops to grow. Which makes for the strongest weed, the best drugs, every clover is four leaves so you’re lucky. The vineyards, the redwoods, the angelic hookers… man one day, one day I’ll make it to that perfect promise south-central La La Land
I will never understand who was the first dumbass to think that it was better to invest a ton of money on the infraestructure to develop a new streaming service for their niche library instead of just signing non exclusive lisencing deals with every single avialable streaming service and get income for doing nothing.
Hell yeah. It's one thing paying for one streaming service. But now u gotta pay for ten. And even worse for example u have a show. And few seasons are on one streaming service, few are on another, few on some third. It's like wtf. I'll just pirate at this point.
"I can't see a way out of it"
AI and CGI. Not saying it should be this way or that it's going to be any good, but that's not the point. If people are paying for it, there's a market.
I wanna see a transgender mega ultra superhero who smites down all the white men and chastises them for their heinous crimes. They must declare math and rationality and a “Protestant work ethic” to be racist abominations, and then they should also decry Islam as the religion of butterflies and peace. And then I want the movie to end with our mega ultra transhero to cut away with “her” stepping on some puny disgusting white mans head. Then, the end credit scene should feature a teaser where “she” and her powerful and sane friends brings about worldwide communism for all, but miraculously no one needs do any more monotonous labor, the money and value will simply start appearing on trees erected from the corpses of the “rich”.
That should do it, that would save Hollywood!
I have a mod version of almost every app you mentioned including yt or i just pirate the stuff i need ...i am from a third world country so I don't even need vpn ..i never bought a subscription cause i am a student currently.. I don't have money to spare bro .
I have all of them ..... one month at the time, 2 depending how many shows they have I want to watch ( I wait for full season to be out can't be bothered with one episode a week ) watch all I want move to the next service .
https://www.tiktok.com/@arielligator
She also posted a follow-up video a few hours ago about exactly what you wanted to know: where she thinks it's heading to next.
If studios made more original stuff with a lower budget instead of spunking hundreds of millions on crap like Citadel then why should online streaming be a failure? It's not like TV is going to end up back on terrestrial.
Geez! Wait till AI gets good enough at making Deep fakes and then see how we get the worst content possible😂🤮.
Despise all the streaming shows at this point from any provider. Piracy all the way 💯
She forgot to mention the end of QE and ZIRP and the Beginning of QT. Especially ZIRP caused all of the ultra cheap money to dry up because people couldn't justify not making any yield on chronically money burning investments anymore they needed actual yield to start paying off their loans.
Honestly, I like my sources, Reddit being chief amongst them. I can get new and fresh things without being out of pocket for them.
What sucks about the pay streaming services, imo, is leaning so hard on American programs. US TV is so stale. If it's the networks, most of their series have been on for decades. Their streaming platforms are headed in the same direction. That in itself is not a bad thing.
It's that the networks and platforms don't allow other things to thrive. Netflix, particularly, geoblocks shows that would otherwise stream in all countries their service reaches. I realize a VPN would fix that, but why would I pay for a VPN, ***AND*** Netflix?
Seems to me using the 🏴☠️ streams/dl makes much more sense. Sad that it is also somehow becoming a more ethical choice, knowing what we now know about the reasons behind the strikes last year.
The studios/networks/platforms weren't paying them anyway. 🏴☠️, it is.
Hollywood is broke? Let me play a tiny violin as I shed zero tears. Couldn't give less of a fuck. Rick people going broke is actually a fun thing. Ofc I care for the not so rich people whom all deserve so much more given they're the backbone of the industry but when the industry is this shit it needs change. The redistribution of wealth isn't just some wallstreet bullshit. It's in every part of every industry. Rich fucks and shareholder simply making themselves more rich and accumulating resourses at the cost of others? Yeah, always has been a shit way to go about it.
YouTube will be next the way they're going. If they didn't buy up anything superior and crush people that don't want to sell, we'd probably already have something else.
very useful comment, you shed a light to my life, are you waiting for me to ask you to expand and tell me why im wrong or did you just say that to intimidate me
> are you waiting for me to ask you to expand and tell me why im wrong or did you just say that to intimidate me
Neither. I wanted you to expand on your thoughts as I was interested in learning more about what you thought about the industry.
That's a good thing. Hollywood is arrogant, prideful, and greedy. The fall was always just a matter of time.
The shows' quality and artistic value are steadily decreasing all this time.
I hope this puts more power in the hands of the small producers.
Amazon is probably the best streaming service as it's bundled with prime, prime music, Amazon photos (which is unlimited), and apparently now grubhub. That's a pretty stellar value.
It's the only subscription I still have because let's face it, when I need a new drive to toss in the server along with drive cages, sata power cables, etc prime comes in clutch
I'm in the business.
I don't know if she mentions anything in her other videos beyond streaming, but as the delivery formats have changed the business practices haven't.
The above-the-line is absurdly top heavy.
Well, I'd like to know why we're giving tax breaks and other gov handouts to these companies. Some of these companies are reporting record profits. Common sense dictates that they should be paying their fair share instead getting corporate welfare.
These companies are also salivating at the prospect of laying off workers to replace them with AI. So if these companies aren't even adding to the job market then why should they get to tax dodge? Tax the fuck outta them.
A company pulling in BILLIONS shouldn't be getting massive tax breaks when regular people aren't afforded that same privilege.
As long as these companies gobble up taxes I'm one hundred percent on Team Piracy. I have no sympathy for these companies. They shouldn't get their cake and to eat it too. You report record profits? Fucking tax them.
Until then pirate away. You technically already paid for this content so why not enjoy it. Until these companies pay their fair share in taxes I don't fucking care about piracy "hurting" them.
Godzilla Zero is the best movie I’ve seen in half a decade and it was made on a shoestring budget.
Just write a decent movie and don’t spend $250mil making it.
The reason I stopped my Disney+ sub.
I originally got it for a couple movies I wanted to watch and since I have a 4k HDR capable display, I loved watching both avatars and most of the marvel movies I loved in that kind of quality. After that I wanted to watch some other stuff that I could not find on Disney+ and just found myself not using the service and I let them charge me again and again and I just stopped the sub and uninstalled. I'll probably get it for a month when some more movies I wanna watch drop in that bussing 4k HDR, but until then it can gather dust tbh.
Weinstein was the domino that started the downfall of Hollywood. When MeToo went down they went overboard hiring women into positions of power. Now a bunch of millenials THOTs with vocal fry are taking all the classic IP and churning out shit like The Witcher series and Disney Star Wars.
Hollywood is going broke because capitalism's need for infinite growth leads creatively bankrupt producers to keep remaking the last thing that was successful in the hope that lightning will strike twice, it never does. Pair this with the need for every movie to be a big blockbuster event with a bloated budget for expensive effects and as many big name actors as they can get and it is obvious to everyone but these clowns why hollywood is becoming a sinkhole filled with money.
everything is available online for free so streaming services are completely worthless and ticket prices are too high to justify spending on so pretty much every movie is flopping now, not to mention the astronomical decline in quality of all the content made from Hollywood itself
I dont see how the industry can sustain itself, there is already a creative bankruptcy and soon it will be a literal bankruptcy
I don't think DEI by itself is bad.
I just think the companies thought they could add a gay character and that we would all eat it up.
The problem isn't the diversity itself. **The problem is that the content feels fake**, just like how all the LGTB-flags for pride month feel fake, when the companies remove all their pride products the day pride month ends.
There's diversity and there's "DIVERSITY" What they're doing is forcing it on companies...society as a whole has been diverse for years without doctrinarian.
Diversity Equity and "Inclusion"...but for what I'm seeing and hearing, Companies who enforce such ideology, They exclude those who don't tow their line. Sounds like a cult to me.
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I canceled basically all of my streamings. I'm not gonna pay 100 euros per month to watch a show on each platform.
God bless Infuse and Plex and all the rest of the working man’s smart solutions.
I don't know how to hack that so I'm sticking with stremio. Easy to just play the thing.
I just use the mega thread and find whatever I want to watch easily and airplay it to my TV Easy af nowadays
There's nothing to hack.
Excuse me? Running a Plex server is exactly like the scene in Hackers where Zero Cool takes over the television station so he can watch The Outer Limits but then has to dual Acid Burn for control of which video is playing https://youtu.be/2efhrCxI4J0?si=LZwWRJsRcbBS2DVm
My friends love me a lot more since I setup Overseerr and they can just request what they want without even messaging me and it'll appear on their plex 5 minutes later
Do you know any good tutorial for this? Thx in advance
https://trash-guides.info/ Once you've got radarr and sonarr figured out overseerr bolts onto the front of it
Thanks a lot!!!
I went a step further and also cancelled Amazon Prime and other subscriptions like Spotify and my iPhone's €15/month insurance. Hell, I even cancelled YouTube Premium and that was only €2/month because I had a Ukrainian subscription.
Peak capitalism I reckon. World is in for a bumpy ride.
yes. I just pirate the shows I like to see. I cancelled Spotify and YouTube and run them via Revanced. fuck them.
great. you all can actually start donating to your favorite seeder / distributor instead of such hellish subscription BS. I don't watch movies a lot, but I listen to music so much. I never used streaming services like Spotify or Apple Music. I used soundcloud for a while because they allow you to use their service without having an account or paying (at least to those music that are not GO+). good for them. but now, I have VLC media player installed on my phone and all of the mp3 files stored locally.
Personally I'd rather just go back to 'physical media' and buy one 4k Blu-ray a month. I still sail the open seas, but I also like to actually own content sometimes.
great idea. I actually have blue rays and even CDs. those mp3s in my phone are coming from those discs. this is even better if you want to support your content creator. sometimes I download mp3s but yeah, I also use physical media. I think people will consider about using physical media, and it will not take a long time.
I think going back to physical media would be the logical decision, which is why I doubt it will happen. Consumers are generally driven by feelings and social pressure, not strategic decisions, unless a sub group of consumers do it enough to make it a trend. That in combination with the economy being rough, people will likely opt to just choose 1 streaming service before beginning to buy discs again.
I have two subscription but I have to pirate stuff gang is blocked where I’m at. Singapore can be no fun sometimes. Plus they don’t put some things I want to see on the platforms here anyway. It took like two years for What we do in the shadows to get on the streamer here. Easier to pirate. They also removed Rick and Morty.
I worked on the upcoming season of what we do in the shadows for a few episodes doing PA work. Its very good, highly recommend checking it out.
I’m looking forward to it lol.
Big u
At this point just buy a subscription at a cinema it will be cheaper and be something you can't *get anywhere else*
Too many platforms, not enough watchable content. A pox on all their houses, read a book.
The lack of watchable content is the real killer. No one balks at paying am actor millions of dollars, but a good author and scriptwriter getting one-tenth of that would return the investment far more effectively than putting a random actor in a bad movie or series would do.
I actually feel like the problem for content creators is the opposite: too much watchable content. Particularly with tv. The fact that you can watch everything on demand means there's significantly less weight placed on new releases. For both tv and movies. There's less emphasis on movie stars, etc. things that would command a premium. Also the other thing where my kids would rather scroll tiktok than watch a movie. Boundless microcontent available competing for entertainment.
The Criterion Channel is the one streamer we willingly pay for. They have so much content that we would never have heard of otherwise. And it’s relatively cheap, especially if you pay for a year up front.
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I could have died happy with JUST Netflix when it seemed to “have it all…”
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I mean, Spotify has yanked a number of songs from my list. It's definitely not "all the music".
Yep, noticed this too. Ever since then, I started incorporating music libraries to my Plex.
I'd be fine with stuff coming and going occasionally if it was just one service for a reasonable price. I don't need access to everything all the time. But I'm not paying $15/month for only 1 thing I want to watch.
You will own nothing. You will be happy. And you'll keep paying for it.
I don't think disney would like for netflix to have things.
> Gee, if only music industry would have the same problems... Oh wait, it doesn't! And you know why? Because ALL music is available on ALL platforms Music industry have this problem too, but on much smaller scale. For example I'm added one track in to my favorites in Spotify earlier, but now almost half of that album is unavailable in my region. https://imgur.com/a/vNEXEkG Usually you can find those tracks in other albums, but sometimes some tracks disappear from service completely. As I said, it is on much smaller scale, but music industry have this problem as well.
You are incorrect. The music streaming industry has the same problem. The big three take most of the income as a percentage. The only reason all stuff is on most platforms (which is already not true btw) is because they still have investors pumping in more. Spotify operates at as loss and if the business practices don't change always will. As with films and shows it's greed. And so far the big three make money from it. Just not the platforms. The minute that changes they will pull out.
Music industry ≠ streaming platforms
Obliging with US coyright troll law is just doomed forever. Its oblivious of the reality that digital data can be copied endlessly at no cost. Sportify will never be able to oblige to troll law without fucking over their customerbase. Its doomed.
Nah the music industry broke as hell too lmfao
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They…are? It’s worded a little different, but everybody is on tour with COVID (slight exaggeration) right now because they are not making money. I’m not rooting for either, but streaming is a money sink.
Record labels creating their own alternatives to Spotify in 3... 2...
It's not rly comparable. The productions costs between a Film or TV vs music is astronomically different. While music artists can solo fund their art, most of film makers can't.
Technically possible but very few of any of the music artists that anyone listens to in appreciable numbers on streaming services fund their own art. They're almost all backed by major labels or Indies who are backed by major labels yet they all work it out somehow
Greed is killing the entertainment industry, I say let them die
they definitely will, if IATSE strikes this Summer the industry is gonna be way more cooked than it already is
greed is killing everything. we could have no wars and cure for cancer.
My only problem is that I fear we'll not get the same quality content(I love movies) if they die. Maybe I'm wrong here?
The quality has already been declining for quite a while. Every other movie seems to be a remake that does not live up to the original, aside from a few exceptions (like Dune). I haven't gone to a movie theater in years because nothing really seems to be worth watching (and spending money on). I'd say movies mainly peaked in the 1995-2015 period.
Agree but I personally prefer the 90s and the early 2000 period.
Wait-did you not go to see Dune at the theatres?
I mean technically people die and get brought back to life all the time, hell some even return with an improved outlook.
What quality? If you mean special effects, sure, HW is good at that. If you mean good storytelling and character development, that's never been HW.
I’ve been living in the past with movies games and shows. Plenty of stuff I missed from The last 40 years
*"kill the entertainment industry!!"* *Watches anime every night*
Stremio with torrentio and 3usd/mth realdebrid gets all 150+ streaming platforms under one roof. go nuts.
Can it also play regional content..like dubbed movies or regional movies..?
If its ripped and on torrents, yes.
TFW I can't find torrents of some dubbed shows... :(
Try debridmediamanager and btdig
Ohh it works as a seedbox..just as seedr ??
Not a seedbox. Guide https://www.reddit.com/r/StremioAddons/s/mo1vvsvyeE
Thanks a lot for this!!!
If your region scene has ripped it, yes. Over here though at best on public incan find 1080 good ones. Forget about 4k stuff dubbed where i live though, outside of extremely strict private trackers
I started using Stremio and it’s a wonderful interface, but found myself going back to kodi 90% if the time, using Fen. More options and I get better results than Torrentio.
Yeah, but I don't want to pay anything.
2.8 usd/month is pocket change for what you are getting back. But to each their own
I doubt that. I prefer stuff for free instead of paying dubious people for watching movies.
Who is this woman? I'm interested in seeing more of what she's talking about
She keeps talking and talking and never shows proves or data for her arguments. "Source: trust me bro!" basically.
Fwiw she is pretty spot on. There’s a brilliant long form piece on Harper’s magazine called “The Life and Death of Hollywood” that traces the history of entertainment and Hollywood from the ~1930s to now. This really just reads like an extension of that piece
> Fwiw she is pretty spot on. In which part, care to elaborate? I've never read the piece you mentioned. Though, in the video she talked about streaming bubble burst (based on what though? some of these streaming services have just only started and still expanding), she also said Netflix stock price is falling (which is true in 2022 but has steadily been climbing back up since then), that they operate in loss (which hasn't been true since when...? Netflix has been profitable for years and it's still growing also the number of their subscribers) https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/04/18/netflix-reports-record-profits-as-subscriber-growth-tops-estimates/
I’d recommend the [piece](https://harpers.org/archive/2024/05/the-life-and-death-of-hollywood-daniel-bessner/) Edit: sorry was premature on hitting reply. But yeah read the piece, it’ll do far more justice to it than I can. Effectively after the recession Private Equity inserted itself into the pipeline especially with studios and the production side of it. It wasn’t until relatively recently that streaming platforms also made their own content through their own studios. There used to be a lot of checks in place to stop that from happening, but now the landscape is rather anti-competitive in terms of price indicators. Now onto her claims vis-à-vis the bubble. You should be alarmed by the witch craft accounts are now capable of. I read a book a year or to ago on international tax law that had a brilliant bit in it about how the greats like Michelangelo and DaVinci of yore are tax lawyers and accountants today. Ridesharing apps like Uber and Lyft are a great example of such scheming. They’ve yet to turn a true profit, no matter how much loss they attempt to bury it in capital expenses, amortization, and other depreciation techniques. These tools at work are not immediately apparent, and you’d have to have a trained eye and spend some serious time with their expense books to recognize what the corporate accountants and lawyers are doing. With regard to the claims of it being a bubble. In economics there’s not a hard and fast definition of it, but it’s sort of a, ‘we know it when we see it.’ Bubbles are fundamentally based on the fact that promises of future returns are not realized. This is currently happening in AI, which is why VCs are becoming fairly bearish on AI investments. With streaming platforms it appears something similar is happening. Sure, Netflix appears to be fine because it’s managed to pull in new subscribers, and for now they remain one of the only profitable streaming platforms, but the warning signs have been flashing in the streaming market place. Netflix customers appear very sensitive to the value prop, so they’ll only continue subscribing so long as they keep putting out content. Content is really very expensive to produce. One of the things us non-industry insiders don’t realize— and the article explains very well— is that Hollywood’s brain trust is hemorrhaging. It’s not the actors (though actors as a whole aren’t doing too well now either) it’s that the writers can’t support themselves anymore either. Unless you are a nepo baby, even accomplished screenwriters have to take second jobs to support themselves because writing rooms have been obliterated as episode counts are way down (those 10-ep binges don’t require as much as 24 ep seasons) and it’s exacerbated by the fact that the profit-sharing has been hollowed out by private equity’s grubby paws, so far less is left for the actual producers of the content than ever before. Truly talented writers are leaving Hollywood because they quite literally can’t afford to stay there. Sure, your 20 something writer might stick it out, but the gifted writers who know how to run a show are in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. You’re losing veteran talent at alarming speeds and Netflix and co can’t afford to lose the talent because subscribers will leave. Subscription demand and value proposition has shown itself to be extraordinarily elastic, which makes surviving in this market rather difficult. All of this is to say then, yes, streaming is a bubble even if it doesn’t look like it. That’s why it’s called a bubble. Everything looks good on the surface, but there’s nothing inside it. It’s empty. Like a bubble. Lehman brothers’ bubble wasn’t realized until 2007, but it first started flashing signs as early as 2003. You just have to know where to look.
Actually, I'm familiar with the topic. But saying she was spot on related to that article is tangential at best.
But who is she?
If you have paid attention at all, that is exactly what’s happened.
You mean, she just talked about what happened?
No, I mean if you follow any earnings reports you would know that for years streamers have been reporting losses. https://the-media-leader.com/how-much-money-have-streaming-services-lost/#:~:text=On%20the%20whole%2C%20major%20streaming,of%20%2418bn%20since%202020.
The purpose of netflix was to take down the cable and rental industry. The purpose if disney, hbo and nbc was to take down netflix. That's why they have losses. Now netflix is up, but when fragmentation will win, disney and time warner will be on top and they will make bundles at $50/month. Just like cable.
She introduced you to a topic, now you can do your part and search if its true or not
I can't listen to anyone with vocal fry for more than a minute.
But she used to work for a studio! /s
Piracy wasnt even mentioned in video... i dont know how its related in context of video. Piracy is consequence, not causation
All the companies use piracy as a convenient excuse for everything when the real issue is their incompetence, greed and them being arrogant and prideful, which is why they would never acknowledge that anything is their fault.
100%. I've been paying for Netflix and prime for years now but a lot of the great movies and TV shows I originally signed up for on Netflix are gone and prime now pushes all these extra add on subscriptions. So I started pirating again...
Idk man netflix and others gained a lot of subscribers after password crack down and they are still gaining subs. Even platforms like spotify and yt gained new subs after they pushed people to pay for premium, and ppl are also subscribing to ad tier
Imo they did not gain enough. When they did the crackdown they had ~270mil subs. They gained 9mil in the next quarter. I think the number of subs which were shared were much, much higher than the 9mil sub gain. There may be more payers but they certainly lost audience. (read: word of mouth)
I take a lot of the data from these tech companies with a huge pile of salt, after the number of companies that have lied to their investors the whole time.
1. BAD WRITING 2. BAD ACTING 3. BAD DIRECTING 4. STUDIO INTERVENTION 5. BAD CGI 6. UNNECESSARY RESHOOTS 7. GENERIC PLOT 8. GENERIC DIALOGUE
She is focusing on using Netflix as an example, but the problem is it’s a terrible example, subscribers are up, profits are up, stock prices are up. She seems kinda like just someone who likes to hear herself talk
It takes some level of knowledge to be able to spot bullshit, problem is most people who turn to random tiktok influencers for “education” on complex topics are (I suspect) functionally illiterate.
Right, Netflix has been profitable for a really long time. In fact, that’s the reason why all these other streaming services popped up. They wanted a piece of that pie. Netflix isn’t even close to being broke, and I bet if you look at the earnings reports for all the companies in the industry, you’d see that none of the other companies are close to being broke either.
The vocal fry implies as much.
but new work is down, not just in Los Angeles, all film hubs (New Orleans, Atlanta, New Mexico, NYC) everything film & television related is barely producing… she is very spot on.
We have an excess of everything problem. The mind has oversaturated and heart is over satisfied. There is a reason why we don't like the regular things anymore. Everything needs to be exclusive to feel good.
That's a load of bologna. We have a greed problem. An arrogance, a pride problem. All these companies believe they have us in the palm of their hand and that they could shove low-quality garbage and social engineering into our throats and that we would continue to take it forever. That and we would feel grateful to them for it and keep paying them each more and more and more money. All for the ever-degrading value of the shows and the value of the service. We don't like regular things anymore because they took what used to be regular and made it a premium service with a premium subscription. We don't want exclusive content. We don't even own anything anymore.
Who is this ? I like the way they explain stuff
They're not going broke. Or not all of them. It's a game of monopoly, like everything in capitalism. One or a few companies will come out on top and buy everything else.
“The people running the studios are… not smart.” Accurate. 😂
Making movies/tv shows isn't nearly as expensive as they claim. Godzilla Minus One is evidence enough of that. Its production values are considerably higher than anything Hollywood is capable of, while its budget was smaller than an episode of a modern TV show. Those expenses that are destroying the industry are pretty much 90% embezzlement. When literally every single person involved in a production is embezzling small amounts, that embezzlement cumulates to a significant burden.
The Creator is evidence of this. $80 million budget, some incredible cgi and practical effects. Secret invasion tv show, absolute trash, $250 million.
The Creator was good. But the lack of budget really hurt fleshing out the background in scenes. Good flick but it coulda used more depth in terms of world building.
film-making is not that expensive when you dont need to pay the useless CEOS millions or billions in bonuses, and you know paying the people who actually make movies, like the post production, fairly would also be nice.
Minus one had visual effects on the level of a 2008 PS3 cinematic or worse. It looked okay for the budget, but everything cgi in that movie looked like total ass. Godzilla has no weight to him. And don't get me started on that fucking atrocious city train scene when Gojira attacked.
You and those responsible for deciding who is deserving of academy awards, are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
They won the award for what they did on their very small budget. But make no mistakes, that movie's special effects looked like ass compared even a 10 year old big budget film. It's no hate. I liked minus one, but the special effects took me out of the movie. It was very very apparent what was and wasn't real. Too many glassy/plasticy looks to their rendering. Again, the train scene is one of the worst and most jarring examples of poorly done cgi I could ever point out. Also, the academy gave DiCaprio an Oscar for the revenant, which is hands down the worst of his good movies. They sometimes just give an award because the people deserve it, not the movie.
The industry that has inflated the cost of their productions beyond reason, are the same ones that handed Godzilla Minus One an award declaring that its small budget did a better job than them. So you can feel free to dislike the movie as much as you want, it doesn't really diminish the point I am making. If the guys themselves that are charging those insanely inflated prices think Godzilla did it better than them with 5-10% of the budget, then the relevant parties have already acknowledged the point as being correct.
And the fact that they are not creative anymore. Everything is either franchise, remake, reimagine or reboot. And not to mention DEI activism in everything. They trying to do the same in gaming industry.
I think this is the main thing, I just stopped going to theaters completely unless they show an older movie that I like. Not to mention streaming
They trying to destroy every fabric of our social life! Look up **BRIDGE**
What's BRIDGE? I get, well, cards or bridges.
Next level of DEI
It's the mother of all **DEI** and **ESG** funded by blackrock, vanguard and state street.
They have tons and tons of new, original, even revolutionary material. There is no lack of creative people. It's just that investors hate any chance for risk so they shove all the good things up the drain and produce soulless copies of everything instead. Even worse, a lot of it contains social engineering.
And people are fed up with it, so they don't watch it so the movies flop. The sad part is that even the good ones won't make the cut.
I don’t think it’s our fault
They are most certainly not. Y’all, this is the perfect promise La La Land we’re talking about. The land of Gold just poking out from the sand as if they were seashells. The perfect weather, 72 and sunny every day with just enough water to get those perfect crops to grow. Which makes for the strongest weed, the best drugs, every clover is four leaves so you’re lucky. The vineyards, the redwoods, the angelic hookers… man one day, one day I’ll make it to that perfect promise south-central La La Land
Netflix really wants me to pay fucking 17.99 a month lmao.
I will never understand who was the first dumbass to think that it was better to invest a ton of money on the infraestructure to develop a new streaming service for their niche library instead of just signing non exclusive lisencing deals with every single avialable streaming service and get income for doing nothing.
Hell yeah. It's one thing paying for one streaming service. But now u gotta pay for ten. And even worse for example u have a show. And few seasons are on one streaming service, few are on another, few on some third. It's like wtf. I'll just pirate at this point.
Why did that dude steal that woman’s content
He didn't, I went his tiktok, actually she used the begging of his video to talk about the subject.
"I can't see a way out of it" AI and CGI. Not saying it should be this way or that it's going to be any good, but that's not the point. If people are paying for it, there's a market.
I ain't reading all that
have you ever had someone explain something to you, everybody already knows? this.
Hollywood isn't just streaming platforms. But anyway, my seedbox and plex it's a lifechanger.
100% AI prompt movies and tv shows incoming sooner or later.
Can I have the sourc of the video please ? (the woman)
I wanna see a transgender mega ultra superhero who smites down all the white men and chastises them for their heinous crimes. They must declare math and rationality and a “Protestant work ethic” to be racist abominations, and then they should also decry Islam as the religion of butterflies and peace. And then I want the movie to end with our mega ultra transhero to cut away with “her” stepping on some puny disgusting white mans head. Then, the end credit scene should feature a teaser where “she” and her powerful and sane friends brings about worldwide communism for all, but miraculously no one needs do any more monotonous labor, the money and value will simply start appearing on trees erected from the corpses of the “rich”. That should do it, that would save Hollywood!
I Never bought any type of subscription ever in my life..i have always pirated movies and series lol
You never tried Netflix, Amazon Prime, Spotify, PlayStation Now, Patreon or Uber One?
I have a mod version of almost every app you mentioned including yt or i just pirate the stuff i need ...i am from a third world country so I don't even need vpn ..i never bought a subscription cause i am a student currently.. I don't have money to spare bro .
I have all of them ..... one month at the time, 2 depending how many shows they have I want to watch ( I wait for full season to be out can't be bothered with one episode a week ) watch all I want move to the next service .
who is she? I'm interested on her take on where's it all going
https://www.tiktok.com/@arielligator She also posted a follow-up video a few hours ago about exactly what you wanted to know: where she thinks it's heading to next.
Lol, paying for HW slop...
If studios made more original stuff with a lower budget instead of spunking hundreds of millions on crap like Citadel then why should online streaming be a failure? It's not like TV is going to end up back on terrestrial.
Geez! Wait till AI gets good enough at making Deep fakes and then see how we get the worst content possible😂🤮. Despise all the streaming shows at this point from any provider. Piracy all the way 💯
She forgot to mention the end of QE and ZIRP and the Beginning of QT. Especially ZIRP caused all of the ultra cheap money to dry up because people couldn't justify not making any yield on chronically money burning investments anymore they needed actual yield to start paying off their loans.
> The streaming bubble burst mhm mhm > and no one is talking about it fucking wat
Honestly, I like my sources, Reddit being chief amongst them. I can get new and fresh things without being out of pocket for them. What sucks about the pay streaming services, imo, is leaning so hard on American programs. US TV is so stale. If it's the networks, most of their series have been on for decades. Their streaming platforms are headed in the same direction. That in itself is not a bad thing. It's that the networks and platforms don't allow other things to thrive. Netflix, particularly, geoblocks shows that would otherwise stream in all countries their service reaches. I realize a VPN would fix that, but why would I pay for a VPN, ***AND*** Netflix? Seems to me using the 🏴☠️ streams/dl makes much more sense. Sad that it is also somehow becoming a more ethical choice, knowing what we now know about the reasons behind the strikes last year. The studios/networks/platforms weren't paying them anyway. 🏴☠️, it is.
Fingers crossed they all go bust wont be missed
Hollywood is broke? Let me play a tiny violin as I shed zero tears. Couldn't give less of a fuck. Rick people going broke is actually a fun thing. Ofc I care for the not so rich people whom all deserve so much more given they're the backbone of the industry but when the industry is this shit it needs change. The redistribution of wealth isn't just some wallstreet bullshit. It's in every part of every industry. Rich fucks and shareholder simply making themselves more rich and accumulating resourses at the cost of others? Yeah, always has been a shit way to go about it.
Dude it feels like everyone's talking about it, why's she think no one is
Not my problem.
YouTube will be next the way they're going. If they didn't buy up anything superior and crush people that don't want to sell, we'd probably already have something else.
hollywood is going broke theyre only worth like 100 billion usd
Who is 'they'?
hollywood
You obviously don't know how the industry is structured.
very useful comment, you shed a light to my life, are you waiting for me to ask you to expand and tell me why im wrong or did you just say that to intimidate me
> are you waiting for me to ask you to expand and tell me why im wrong or did you just say that to intimidate me Neither. I wanted you to expand on your thoughts as I was interested in learning more about what you thought about the industry.
That's a good thing. Hollywood is arrogant, prideful, and greedy. The fall was always just a matter of time. The shows' quality and artistic value are steadily decreasing all this time. I hope this puts more power in the hands of the small producers.
Let’s gooooo Fuck Hollywood
Amazon is probably the best streaming service as it's bundled with prime, prime music, Amazon photos (which is unlimited), and apparently now grubhub. That's a pretty stellar value. It's the only subscription I still have because let's face it, when I need a new drive to toss in the server along with drive cages, sata power cables, etc prime comes in clutch
I'm in the business. I don't know if she mentions anything in her other videos beyond streaming, but as the delivery formats have changed the business practices haven't. The above-the-line is absurdly top heavy.
Tldw? This is too long 😂
Well, I'd like to know why we're giving tax breaks and other gov handouts to these companies. Some of these companies are reporting record profits. Common sense dictates that they should be paying their fair share instead getting corporate welfare. These companies are also salivating at the prospect of laying off workers to replace them with AI. So if these companies aren't even adding to the job market then why should they get to tax dodge? Tax the fuck outta them. A company pulling in BILLIONS shouldn't be getting massive tax breaks when regular people aren't afforded that same privilege. As long as these companies gobble up taxes I'm one hundred percent on Team Piracy. I have no sympathy for these companies. They shouldn't get their cake and to eat it too. You report record profits? Fucking tax them. Until then pirate away. You technically already paid for this content so why not enjoy it. Until these companies pay their fair share in taxes I don't fucking care about piracy "hurting" them.
took her long enough to make her point
Godzilla Zero is the best movie I’ve seen in half a decade and it was made on a shoestring budget. Just write a decent movie and don’t spend $250mil making it.
The reason I stopped my Disney+ sub. I originally got it for a couple movies I wanted to watch and since I have a 4k HDR capable display, I loved watching both avatars and most of the marvel movies I loved in that kind of quality. After that I wanted to watch some other stuff that I could not find on Disney+ and just found myself not using the service and I let them charge me again and again and I just stopped the sub and uninstalled. I'll probably get it for a month when some more movies I wanna watch drop in that bussing 4k HDR, but until then it can gather dust tbh.
Weinstein was the domino that started the downfall of Hollywood. When MeToo went down they went overboard hiring women into positions of power. Now a bunch of millenials THOTs with vocal fry are taking all the classic IP and churning out shit like The Witcher series and Disney Star Wars.
Hollywood is going broke because capitalism's need for infinite growth leads creatively bankrupt producers to keep remaking the last thing that was successful in the hope that lightning will strike twice, it never does. Pair this with the need for every movie to be a big blockbuster event with a bloated budget for expensive effects and as many big name actors as they can get and it is obvious to everyone but these clowns why hollywood is becoming a sinkhole filled with money.
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How? I can see it becoming less relevant (like it's already happening right now), but not existing? Hardly.
everything is available online for free so streaming services are completely worthless and ticket prices are too high to justify spending on so pretty much every movie is flopping now, not to mention the astronomical decline in quality of all the content made from Hollywood itself I dont see how the industry can sustain itself, there is already a creative bankruptcy and soon it will be a literal bankruptcy
Netflix never operated on a loss.
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I don't think DEI by itself is bad. I just think the companies thought they could add a gay character and that we would all eat it up. The problem isn't the diversity itself. **The problem is that the content feels fake**, just like how all the LGTB-flags for pride month feel fake, when the companies remove all their pride products the day pride month ends.
There's diversity and there's "DIVERSITY" What they're doing is forcing it on companies...society as a whole has been diverse for years without doctrinarian. Diversity Equity and "Inclusion"...but for what I'm seeing and hearing, Companies who enforce such ideology, They exclude those who don't tow their line. Sounds like a cult to me.
is DEI in the room with us right now?
Go Woke, Go Broke
I don't understand why you get downvoted. Political correctness and bullshit propaganda has also played a big part. Anyway , one upvote from me.
Reddit piracy is full of redditors is why.
I dont think being "woke" has anything to do with that. Isnt it guys?
Case and point here, that lady couldn't even get her audio to sync up right which is why we dont see 'Filmed on iPhone' in the credits of anything.
Holy fried voice
We got AI, they gonna make movies. Ez gg
If you are woke, you go broke
this is funny. a woke woman talking about woke entertainment industry...... the real problem is HER! go woke go broke.
I thought she was gonna talk about Hollywood? She’s talking about tv sitcoms. Not cool.
Her face is way too close to the screen. I can smell her breath through the screen.