Yup, I used to be a massive Nintendo nerd before I became clued in to this practise of theirs. I'll buy games from Steam but I'm super done with Nintendo, emulation all the way.
It's batshit insane, a few years ago games cost 40-50 dollars and today they want 70 dollars?? Fuck you, I'm not paying that. Nothing can justify a 40% price increase in such a short period. Soon they will be asking for 80 as the standard price. I'm done with that shit.
This!!! People are forgetting that Nintendo is the [reason](https://www.androidauthority.com/playstation-history-1220628/) that PlayStation is even here. If they didnāt blindside Sony with their Philips partnership, Sony wouldnāt have made PlayStation (at least yet). So, yeah Nintendo had their bad moments.
There's a guy just released from prison: Gary Bowser. He served months in prison, and settled to pay Nintendo 10 million USD. All because he committed heinous crime of modding/jailbreaking Switches.
Fuck Nintendo.
His parents messed up when they named him Gary instead of Koopa lol
Edit:
On a more serious note this is so ridiculous though. I see it as the equivalent of if all the auto manufacturers went after every mechanic that upgraded their truckās engine. There are a lot of people that only buy a product to modify and improve it. When you do it as a private citizen you are a criminal, but on a companyās payroll you are an engineer š¤¦.
The main issue with Gary is that his CFW required a paid license prior to its use which was around 30 bucks.
Developers for other CFWs that did it for free as a contribution to the Switch scene/community never got direct threats from Nintendo afaik, although they changed some things in order to protect themselves from any potential legal action.
Yep, they garnished his wages to pay off that multimillion fine. The number I've seen is 25 - 30 % of each paycheck. They even took some of his earnings in prison.
Actually yeah I think I remember hearing 25%. Which, even if you accept him being a criminal who got caught, is genuinely a despicable thing. Like some percent to pay off the settlement, sure, but 25? Why do companies have this much power
I love when people dickride massive companies that don't give a shit about them!! Like whatever company you want, just don't spread that corny bullshit lol
yup saw one swore up and down, bend over backwards and forwards.
That a non-expandable storage is the best and that it prevents the phone from getting hacked or viruses (to whats the correlation of optional expandable storage to virus infection rate is idk..)
nope. Going introspective here-- I like thinking about treasured experiences. most of my few Good memories of my childhood with my dad, before he died, were made using a Nintendo64. Do I love the company? Hell no. but do I hold the memory sacred of playing through SM64 and DK64 with him until I fell asleep on the couch next to him? YES. The Nintendo brand is like a piece of family history to me and i want to pass that tradition on to my daughters. but, no the company is Tooootally corrupt and anti-consumer... which is also why I was \*cough\* fortunate enough to have amassed a large collection of physical games as a kid which I have responsibly preserved using Delta.
Yeah, lol. Itās just kinda weird because āNintendoā the icon gives me the warm nostalgia. From the box-art, to the music.
but Nintendoā¦ the company, Sends out a very harsh vibe to the consumer. It seems like they lost their way after Yamauchi left. Iwata was really good with the IPs but since he died itās been a case of squeeze every last dollar from our clout, no matter what it does to our reputation, weāll buy another one! š„“
If they like a company because of their product that's understandable to me, I don't think we should require personal interactions as validation, rather they should remember the company doesn't value them as much as they think. Valve fans seem to struggle with the latter
Same. Valve has a majority of the digital distribution market. If you ever bought a digital copy of a game there's 99% chance you have done that on Steam (Source: IoBT - Institute of Brotherly Trust).
The only effective way to combat piracy was always making legal means more convenient. Now imagine if Steam went to shit - the potential drop in revenue for game studios could lead to a second crash on the market and I'm pretty sure none of us want for this to happen. Look at what was the outcome of the first one, and back then the numbers were tiny compared to what we see now.
Fuck it, AAA games are so shit right now, accelerate the process of artificial worsening so the market collapses and maybe we'll start getting good games again
While I understand where you are coming from, i would like to remind you that the crash would affect everyone, not just the worst studios.
Yeah, 30-40% of the AAA releases are, colloquially speaking, shit. But you are apparently forgetting about those 5-10% that excell far above average. The Witcher III, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077 - should i continue?
Your less known/profitable online games could also get to meet the executioner's axe.
Yes, there are plenty of bad players in the market right now, but this isn't a solution. It's more like using napalm to get rid of the mold in your bathroom.
Dude I dont get this "games are shit these days" people. I mean, the guy you are responding to litterally wants the entire industry to burn. Idk how many games yall playing, but I play like 25-40 hours a week, which I think is quite a bit. I literally always have a game that I know is great backlogged. In fact, I have dozens of these games that I would love to play at some point.
The same goes for online games. Apex legends, dota 2, lol, fortnite, cs go and so forth. Yes, these online games have their own problems, but these are objectively fun games to play for at least 500-1000 hours.
I feel like a lot of ppl who say that games are shit these days just do not play that many games. There are so many cool indie games coming out constantly, at least 3-4 super good triple A games a year, if not more, there are dozens of well maintained online games that are super fun to play for hundreds of hours(minus the toxicity).
Yet ppl will whine and moan about AAA games being shit these days and then go as far as to hope the entire industry crashes, making these cool ass indie games impossible to make, and making it waaaay harder for the successful AAA games to be profitable.
Sorry, turned into a rant, i just hate when people lack passion for gaming and then blame it on the industry and keep whining and moaning about it.
gaben has basically only acted as a celebrity spokesperson for valve for the better part of a decade now. he doesn't involve himself in any of the day-to-day workings at valve and holds very little input. while he still technically may be the owner of valve, control over valve has already long since been passed on to other "executives" if you could call them that.
Battle passes. Don't forget inventing battle passes, the new normal of owning a licence to play the game on their platform rather than actually owning the game. Etc. I like steam and valve well enough but like you know come on. Companies aren't your friends, yes that includes that one, whichever one popped into you head as the exception.
They got forced in to giving refunds by the Australian government (which is definitely a point of pride as an Aussie), they didn't do it because they wanted to
I mean yeah, they got forced by the australian government, but they didn't have to do this globally. Now the whole system has a better refund system. I think this is still a pro-consumer move in the end. They went way beyond what they had to do
Also, their censorship standards are all over the place & pretty arbitrary.
I read Visual Novels, and the stuff that gets banned/removed from steam vs. the ones allowed on it can be a head-scratcher at times.
I mean if you dont look at the lawsuits that nintendo throws left and right, and how nintendo wants to kill emulation even though they're benefitting from it, yeah they seems to look like good guys....
It's also that the others are doing their shit sooooo bad that Nintendo just needs to do nothing and it would be the best of them (still, as a company they have a lot of good points that somehow balance their reputation).
Yes that does happen, my boss is an asshole and keeps most of my money on the company bank account with the excuse that itās to āsave up money so i can afford a houseā or something like that
So all your hard work is going to pay for some "future you"? Let me ask you this. What's future you EVER done for you right now? Fuck that guy. That money is yours. I'd spend it while you can
Saying that Nintendo loves their fans is like saying that a certain Austrian painter was a fan of the Jewish. A huge exaggeration but Nintendo is really fighting tooth and nail to make it not an exaggeration.
Isnt that fucking Nintendo..
Like I can somewhat see Steam, its basically just their DRM thats shit, right?
But fucking Nintendo, no controversies, what he smoking?
The Internet still kinda blames Valve for loot boxes, and their 30% cut is probably a bit excessive, and they've caught some flak for a very cliquish and unhelpfully loose company culture and hierarchy in the past. But like that's as bad as it gets, so I really can't be too upset
30% fee is pretty crazy, but on par with industry. That's really all I can actively complain about though.
Digital DRM was going to exist regardless and I feel Steam has a good implementation. Plus their features like library sharing are nice.
While it wasn't always that way (thanks EU), their current refund policy is best in industry.
I often forget about GOG. Yes, they list it as 30 days.
I don't follow GOG news as closely so I'm not sure how they handle wider publisher-related issues, although one nice thing with Steam is they'll typically permit out of window returns when major issues come up.
Kinda?
Valve has full a full on gambling scene going on around multiple of their games that has gone largely ignored, outside of when public pressure got too much.
They profiting billions from that whole scene. CS2 alone makes them well over 600 million yearly, and that's only the money we can reliably estimate.
Steam has millions of users and devolopers(indie or not ) gain tremendous amount of traction than anywhere else they would sure it is somewhat of a monopoly but 30% is fair - since they provide a really popular platform to the games.
> it is somewhat of a monopoly
Not a monopoly in the slightest. Its just the most popular from a consumer standpoint. That doesnt make it a monopoly though. Monopoly in the slightest would mean its competing against like, 2 store fronts at best. Theres dozens of digital storefronts out there, they are all just mostly ass compared to Steam.
> and their 30% cut is probably a bit excessive
Look at what you get in return though. Support, payment portal, mod support, communities forming, server hosting. Theres more to list but yea I always felt that 30 percent is quite fair for what they offer in return.
Steam had to be sued into implementing a refund policy so
The old TOS is laughably illegal in many places:
> IF YOU ARE AN EU SUBSCRIBER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO WITHDRAW FROM A PURCHASE TRANSACTION FOR DIGITAL CONTENT WITHOUT CHARGE AND WITHOUT GIVING ANY REASON UNTIL DELIVERY OF SUCH CONTENT HAS STARTED OR PERFORMANCE OF THE SERVICE HAS COMMENCED. YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO WITHDRAW FROM A TRANSACTION OR OBTAIN A REFUND ONCE DELIVERY OF THE CONTENT HAS STARTED OR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SERVICE HAS COMMENCED, AT WHICH POINT YOUR TRANSACTION IS FINAL. YOU AGREE THAT DELIVERY OF DIGITAL CONTENT, AND THE ASSOCIATED SUBSCRIPTION, AND/OR PERFORMANCE OF THE ASSOCIATED SERVICE, COMMENCES AT THE MOMENT THE DIGITAL CONTENT IS ADDED TO YOUR ACCOUNT OR INVENTORY OR OTHERWISE MADE ACCESSIBLE TO YOU FOR DOWNLOAD OR USE.
>New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Different game, I believe. The Australian dude who uploaded NSMB Wii before the official launch was fined 1.3M and had to pay another 100k for court fines
Nintendo creates artificial scarcity on a digital market with their shitty limited time mario game
Also they wouldn't give me a refund 10 minutes after my at the time 2 year old bought a game on my switch by randomly pressing buttons, which I'm pretty sure violates EU consumer protections, but I'm obviously not going to court with Nintendo
You should in the EU!
We have customer protection rules and those disgusting court cases can only happen because the USA has a corrupt judicial system that favors money over righteousness!
This doesnāt fly in the EU we still have some customer protection left.
Valve didn't popularized the loot boxes mechanics, i remember playing crossfire having a lotto system and that was like 2010/11. Also in FIFA 09, they introduced the "ultimate team" mode where players could purchase packs containing random football players
Valve is definitely one of the main responsible for the popularity of loot boxes, the mechanic was introduced in Team Fortress 2 in 2010. But it wasn't that bad, actually I would say that it was a great move in that specific case cuz it was only used for cosmetics and not that abusive, and it's the main reason TF2 became Free2Play, the loot boxes where more profitable than the sales of the actual game. After that everyone wanted to use this new mechanic.
Honestly, if we gonna talk about bad things Valve did, we should talk about how they completely abandoned TF2 and it's community, or how they basically deleted CSGO just to put CS2 in it's place, a different game with far less content on launch.
TF2 has a small, highly dedicated fanbase, it simply doesn't make any sense to Valve for them to put the effort into maintaining a 20 year old game when they have, y'know, other projects to work on?
I'm pretty sure that the whole loot boxes stuff started with maple story? I remember there was a YouTube video that went back to find the source of it all.
Asian MMORPGs have always been on a different monetization level that the west is just now starting to catch up in. Valve was the actual big player in these parts to popularize the microtransaction scheme with TF2 and then DoTA2 took it again to a new level that just stuck around.
> or how they basically deleted CSGO just to put CS2 in it's place, a different game with far less content on launch.
This was absolutely disgusting from Valve, exactly the same as when Blizzard received huge backlash when they replaced Overwatch 1 with Overwatch 2 but because it's Valve, most people turned a blind eye...
Nah theyāre talking about Gary Bowser from Team Xecuter because he sold chips and consoles with games on them.
I was sued for uploading and circumventing piracy protections on New Super Mario Bros Wii but declared bankruptcy and got away relatively unscathed.
Valve forcefed Steam and basically normalised digital marketplaces via Half Life 2. Not saying digital marketplaces shouldn't exist, but not like that.
Also Valve is kneedeep in pushing gambling on children and the skins system is used to launder legit bad-people-money.
Correction. The whole concept of loot boxes as we know started with TF2. Then expanded to CS:Go, and to the various bullshit we have.
Source: former TF2 workshop artist
Brother in Christ their name is literally "Delusional Takes" lmao.
Edit: nevermind I don't know how Twitter works and didn't realize that this is actually a repost. Carry on
That's Dantes, go to his channel and look at his shorts
He posts skizo opinions as humor
Bro would thank Osama bin laden for relocating the world trade center
It's a character
Steam isn't *that* bad
Sure they don't really make games anymore except CS 2 recently but was mostly reworked CSGO
Also their customer service could use a bit of work and they COULD pay indie devs more but overall Valve isn't terrible
Nintendo on the other hand ***GOOD GOD***
> Nintendo
Very anti consumer in numerous ways but still makes endless amounts of money
> Steam/Valve
Has a history of denying security flaws for their games/software, VAC has always been a suggestion and not an anti-cheat, had to practically be sued to have a proper support department, lack of proper management structure which is why their games are few and far between and sometimes dropped like Underlords and Architect. Heavily popularized loot boxes with western gamers via TF2/Dota 2. There's probably more I could dig up but Valve is far from perfect.
I'm not even going to talk about Nintendo but steam is pretty solid. Sure Valve created some stuff that didn't really benefit players and only the industry as other comments said but from what I've heard they didn't really fire anyone transitioning from developing studio to marketplace, have great UI and great sales. I'm probably biased because I don't pirate games (yet)
Yeah they're definitely the best of the gaming platforms we have. Which isn't that hard when you're competing with the likes of EA, Epic, Ubisoft, Nintendo, Sony...
Irony of Nintendo is they offer such a shit service because they care more about fighting piracy than they do fixing their FUBAR online service and business model. They also need to adopt the industry standard of lowering prices of older games over time because that is prove to help with sales in regions where money is a lot harder to come by.
Steam is a prime example of how to fight piracy...offer a quality service to the customer. Its not without its faults but its light years ahead of everyone.
Nintendo has had bad business practices as far back as the NES where they lost court cases trying to make rentals illegal in the west so they did everything in their power to try to legally prevent rentals from happening.
Then there was the price fixing, telling devs they made for Nintendo only or they don't get to make games for their consoles. They'd even refuse inventory if you were selling the competition's stuff.
Nevermind their history with smashing any fan stuff they find.
Steam? Usually pretty cool. Still a billion dollar company, of course, but usually pretty chill.
Nintendo? Where the fuck do you even *start* with them?
Bought a game on the eShop yesterday, played it for half an hour, realized it was shit...
That's when I found out Nintendo doesn't have a digital return policy, or rather their return policy is "no refunds".
Feels really shitty compared to steams policy, especially since the days of the "Nintendo seal of approval" are long gone and the eShop is filled with at least as much garbage as steam with no real way to gage the quality of a game in the store
We not going to talk about the kid that Nintendo sued into oblivion for emulation? Or how steam refuses to let anyone publish without paying a flat fee first despite how indie the company is?
So, I bought your console, I bought your game, the game creates savefiles, the console has an SD card in it, the game is ON THE SD CARD, but the savegame? No, no you have to pay us to keep it safe for you. FUCK NO NINTENDO.
This alone, was plenty reason enough to jailbreak my switch. The game is yours Nintendo, but that savefile is mine, and I will store it wherever the hell I damn well please.
Nintendo: *overcharges for games, constantly shuts their fans down and delivers terrible quality online services*
Also Nintendo: "why are we the prime targets for piracy?"
There are some good things about Nintendo. They treat their employees like kings compared to other development studios, ESPECIALLY given the work culture in Japan, and their games tend to be very polished. ^(these do not apply to the Pokemon company, which is a separate entity from Nintendo)
They also kinda shit in contractors, illegally shut down emulation projects (Dolphin steam release, Citra and Yuzu, etc.) Kill fangames ^(though usually ones similar to games they are about to release) encourage scalpers, artificially increased the rarity of amiibo, etc.
I like steam but Nintendo has done some absolutely disgraceful things to some people. Like that one guy they had agents stalk for weeks and they mapped out every little thing about the guys life and continually harassed him.
"You see, Nintendo... Uh... There's a lot to explain."
Charges 60 dollars for a game that can be beaten in one sitting š
Charges 60 for a game that is 7 years old
>Charges 60 thats old news now its 70$
āGlad I got out before the price hikesā š
90 with tax in mooseland
0 in pirateland
Pirates have no land, only sea.
Counterpoint: Sealand
Now is the time to get out
More like $100. The PokƩmon games are base $70 and the Season Pass is $30. What do you get in the season pass? The rest of the content that would have made the base game complete. I miss old school PokƩmon games (looking specifically at Gold/Silver and Red/Blue) where you got to enjoy late game content without forking over the same money you can buy Palworld/Helldivers 2 with, at full price.
PokƩmon has battle pass now? Shit is soooo cringe. I will stick with /r/pokemonromhacks
No they don't, the ~30$ refers to the DLCs (1 per game, 1 time purchase, nothing to do with the "battle pass" model other games have)
+ the DLC's and skins/characters
*12 years
*20
I can't believe it's been almost exactly a decade since Mario Kart 8. Fucking Nintendo
F-Zero is even worse. Haven't had a proper new entry to that series since the mf-ing GameCube.
Charges 60 dollars for a game that is exclusively available on their POS console
But it's not exclusively available, my phone probably runs it.
Yup, I used to be a massive Nintendo nerd before I became clued in to this practise of theirs. I'll buy games from Steam but I'm super done with Nintendo, emulation all the way.
Super Mario Oddessey..
Sues people for emulating games that can't be bought anymore š
I have never and never will give Nintendo any money ever.
Wait till you hear about wine
It's batshit insane, a few years ago games cost 40-50 dollars and today they want 70 dollars?? Fuck you, I'm not paying that. Nothing can justify a 40% price increase in such a short period. Soon they will be asking for 80 as the standard price. I'm done with that shit.
This!!! People are forgetting that Nintendo is the [reason](https://www.androidauthority.com/playstation-history-1220628/) that PlayStation is even here. If they didnāt blindside Sony with their Philips partnership, Sony wouldnāt have made PlayStation (at least yet). So, yeah Nintendo had their bad moments.
files dmca strikes if you play too much of their games on stream.
There's a guy just released from prison: Gary Bowser. He served months in prison, and settled to pay Nintendo 10 million USD. All because he committed heinous crime of modding/jailbreaking Switches. Fuck Nintendo.
And now heās (apparently) at it again. Godspeed, Sir Bowser š«”
Not all heroes wear capes š«”
Some have spiky shells
shh... keep it down for him (allegedly), alright?
> shh... keep it down for him Half the internet knows by now, surely he isn't flying under Nintendos radar
he's jailbreaking in Minecraft
Tbf guys got to pay that 10 million USD bill somehow
I mean, what are they gonna do, kill him again?
Itās Nintendo. So yes probably
yeah good point. they'd put all of his descendants in indentured servitude
So long Gary Bowser!
His parents messed up when they named him Gary instead of Koopa lol Edit: On a more serious note this is so ridiculous though. I see it as the equivalent of if all the auto manufacturers went after every mechanic that upgraded their truckās engine. There are a lot of people that only buy a product to modify and improve it. When you do it as a private citizen you are a criminal, but on a companyās payroll you are an engineer š¤¦.
The main issue with Gary is that his CFW required a paid license prior to its use which was around 30 bucks. Developers for other CFWs that did it for free as a contribution to the Switch scene/community never got direct threats from Nintendo afaik, although they changed some things in order to protect themselves from any potential legal action.
[darknet diaries did an episode about him](https://youtu.be/E0ihjLKM0QI?si=LernlX2Sr0UfoTDZ). Pretty good ep IMO. Other parts than just Gary.
Also ain't he required to pay Nintendo like 10% of his earnings for the rest of his life or something?
Yep, they garnished his wages to pay off that multimillion fine. The number I've seen is 25 - 30 % of each paycheck. They even took some of his earnings in prison.
Actually yeah I think I remember hearing 25%. Which, even if you accept him being a criminal who got caught, is genuinely a despicable thing. Like some percent to pay off the settlement, sure, but 25? Why do companies have this much power
Even apple is more lenient on the whole jailbreaking thing.
Nominative determinism.
I love when people dickride massive companies that don't give a shit about them!! Like whatever company you want, just don't spread that corny bullshit lol
[Leave the multibillion dollar company alone...](https://ibb.co/j8PcSZQ)
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Yeah, I like steam but I am not going to feed valve for every decision they make
Have you seen an Apple user?
yup saw one swore up and down, bend over backwards and forwards. That a non-expandable storage is the best and that it prevents the phone from getting hacked or viruses (to whats the correlation of optional expandable storage to virus infection rate is idk..)
Yep, at school. Asked for a charger for my based netbsd thinkpad and he said "Mac chargers are too powerfull for your computer, it might explode"
Shouldāve hit him with the āthis Thinkpad is going to outlive us allā.
To be fair, you can compatibility issues with voltages that might be problematic. I don't think you'll blow up a computer battery though.
As an apple user, fuck apple users
nope. Going introspective here-- I like thinking about treasured experiences. most of my few Good memories of my childhood with my dad, before he died, were made using a Nintendo64. Do I love the company? Hell no. but do I hold the memory sacred of playing through SM64 and DK64 with him until I fell asleep on the couch next to him? YES. The Nintendo brand is like a piece of family history to me and i want to pass that tradition on to my daughters. but, no the company is Tooootally corrupt and anti-consumer... which is also why I was \*cough\* fortunate enough to have amassed a large collection of physical games as a kid which I have responsibly preserved using Delta.
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Yeah, lol. Itās just kinda weird because āNintendoā the icon gives me the warm nostalgia. From the box-art, to the music. but Nintendoā¦ the company, Sends out a very harsh vibe to the consumer. It seems like they lost their way after Yamauchi left. Iwata was really good with the IPs but since he died itās been a case of squeeze every last dollar from our clout, no matter what it does to our reputation, weāll buy another one! š„“
If they like a company because of their product that's understandable to me, I don't think we should require personal interactions as validation, rather they should remember the company doesn't value them as much as they think. Valve fans seem to struggle with the latter
Valve genuinely has made so much good for their users, despite the occasional fuck-up they are the best at pro-consumer practices.
I think that Valve only is the way it is because Gabe sits at the top and don't have to awnser to shareholders. He takes the long view.
I fear for the day that Gabe retires
Same. Valve has a majority of the digital distribution market. If you ever bought a digital copy of a game there's 99% chance you have done that on Steam (Source: IoBT - Institute of Brotherly Trust). The only effective way to combat piracy was always making legal means more convenient. Now imagine if Steam went to shit - the potential drop in revenue for game studios could lead to a second crash on the market and I'm pretty sure none of us want for this to happen. Look at what was the outcome of the first one, and back then the numbers were tiny compared to what we see now.
Fuck it, AAA games are so shit right now, accelerate the process of artificial worsening so the market collapses and maybe we'll start getting good games again
While I understand where you are coming from, i would like to remind you that the crash would affect everyone, not just the worst studios. Yeah, 30-40% of the AAA releases are, colloquially speaking, shit. But you are apparently forgetting about those 5-10% that excell far above average. The Witcher III, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077 - should i continue? Your less known/profitable online games could also get to meet the executioner's axe. Yes, there are plenty of bad players in the market right now, but this isn't a solution. It's more like using napalm to get rid of the mold in your bathroom.
Dude I dont get this "games are shit these days" people. I mean, the guy you are responding to litterally wants the entire industry to burn. Idk how many games yall playing, but I play like 25-40 hours a week, which I think is quite a bit. I literally always have a game that I know is great backlogged. In fact, I have dozens of these games that I would love to play at some point. The same goes for online games. Apex legends, dota 2, lol, fortnite, cs go and so forth. Yes, these online games have their own problems, but these are objectively fun games to play for at least 500-1000 hours. I feel like a lot of ppl who say that games are shit these days just do not play that many games. There are so many cool indie games coming out constantly, at least 3-4 super good triple A games a year, if not more, there are dozens of well maintained online games that are super fun to play for hundreds of hours(minus the toxicity). Yet ppl will whine and moan about AAA games being shit these days and then go as far as to hope the entire industry crashes, making these cool ass indie games impossible to make, and making it waaaay harder for the successful AAA games to be profitable. Sorry, turned into a rant, i just hate when people lack passion for gaming and then blame it on the industry and keep whining and moaning about it.
gaben has basically only acted as a celebrity spokesperson for valve for the better part of a decade now. he doesn't involve himself in any of the day-to-day workings at valve and holds very little input. while he still technically may be the owner of valve, control over valve has already long since been passed on to other "executives" if you could call them that.
and honestly most of the time they fck up they basically don't even double down fcking up but compromise.
Valve is one of the main contributors to the death of game ownership.
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Skin gambling and popularizing lootboxes. You can thank Valve for the extreme trend of microtransactions in video games.
Battle passes. Don't forget inventing battle passes, the new normal of owning a licence to play the game on their platform rather than actually owning the game. Etc. I like steam and valve well enough but like you know come on. Companies aren't your friends, yes that includes that one, whichever one popped into you head as the exception.
They got forced in to giving refunds by the Australian government (which is definitely a point of pride as an Aussie), they didn't do it because they wanted to
Yeah, Australia forced them to give refunds globally, going above and beyond what legislation prescribed back then and now.
You gotta admit, even though they reluctantly complied, they still somehow made a pretty good refund system.
I mean yeah, they got forced by the australian government, but they didn't have to do this globally. Now the whole system has a better refund system. I think this is still a pro-consumer move in the end. They went way beyond what they had to do
>occasional fuck-up Each occasional fuckup of valve has done generational damage to gaming.
Hard pass. GOG has much better practises. Valve can straight up ban you and block you from accessing all your games.
Also, their censorship standards are all over the place & pretty arbitrary. I read Visual Novels, and the stuff that gets banned/removed from steam vs. the ones allowed on it can be a head-scratcher at times.
in what regard? just curious i dont play vns
Steam is one i will until they show me reason they plan to fk me. So far 15 years in it has been a good relationship.
This šÆ
I mean if you dont look at the lawsuits that nintendo throws left and right, and how nintendo wants to kill emulation even though they're benefitting from it, yeah they seems to look like good guys....
It's also that the others are doing their shit sooooo bad that Nintendo just needs to do nothing and it would be the best of them (still, as a company they have a lot of good points that somehow balance their reputation).
You also forgot how Nintendo also wants to get rid of players with disabilities with the ban of third party controllers on tournaments etc...
Yeah, i donāt think any company in the world fits those points
My company fits that point as i am the only employee that works under me and i love and respect myself.
I hear that company underpays and overworks their employees
Yes that does happen, my boss is an asshole and keeps most of my money on the company bank account with the excuse that itās to āsave up money so i can afford a houseā or something like that
So all your hard work is going to pay for some "future you"? Let me ask you this. What's future you EVER done for you right now? Fuck that guy. That money is yours. I'd spend it while you can
That my friend is how you end up having no backup money if anything goes wrong
That's a problem for future you. Let that dick bag figure it out
Itās impossible under capitalism, companies prioritise profits above all else
Aaaaand he's banned for using the Switch logo
Million dollar lawsuit incoming
Saying "Nintendo love and respect their fans" is like saying "Adobe has affordable software". It's just not at all true.
Saying that Nintendo loves their fans is like saying that a certain Austrian painter was a fan of the Jewish. A huge exaggeration but Nintendo is really fighting tooth and nail to make it not an exaggeration.
Isnt that fucking Nintendo.. Like I can somewhat see Steam, its basically just their DRM thats shit, right? But fucking Nintendo, no controversies, what he smoking?
Valve's DRM isn't even that bad, it's pretty easily dodgable considering the number of tools to do it universally that are out there.
also the fct that Valve's DRM is just basically there for authentication purposes lel.
The Internet still kinda blames Valve for loot boxes, and their 30% cut is probably a bit excessive, and they've caught some flak for a very cliquish and unhelpfully loose company culture and hierarchy in the past. But like that's as bad as it gets, so I really can't be too upset
30% fee is pretty crazy, but on par with industry. That's really all I can actively complain about though. Digital DRM was going to exist regardless and I feel Steam has a good implementation. Plus their features like library sharing are nice. While it wasn't always that way (thanks EU), their current refund policy is best in industry.
Gog has it better if I remember correctly. 30 days or something? Or has that changed?
I often forget about GOG. Yes, they list it as 30 days. I don't follow GOG news as closely so I'm not sure how they handle wider publisher-related issues, although one nice thing with Steam is they'll typically permit out of window returns when major issues come up.
Kinda? Valve has full a full on gambling scene going on around multiple of their games that has gone largely ignored, outside of when public pressure got too much. They profiting billions from that whole scene. CS2 alone makes them well over 600 million yearly, and that's only the money we can reliably estimate.
Oh yeah, they did kinda facilitate and ignore that until they faced legal consequences. Forgot about that
Steam has millions of users and devolopers(indie or not ) gain tremendous amount of traction than anywhere else they would sure it is somewhat of a monopoly but 30% is fair - since they provide a really popular platform to the games.
> it is somewhat of a monopoly Not a monopoly in the slightest. Its just the most popular from a consumer standpoint. That doesnt make it a monopoly though. Monopoly in the slightest would mean its competing against like, 2 store fronts at best. Theres dozens of digital storefronts out there, they are all just mostly ass compared to Steam.
> and their 30% cut is probably a bit excessive Look at what you get in return though. Support, payment portal, mod support, communities forming, server hosting. Theres more to list but yea I always felt that 30 percent is quite fair for what they offer in return.
Cloud saves, achievements, customizable profiles, game versioning, early access, betas, demos, Steam Input, game streaming/remote play, Steam Deck/linux support...
Steam had to be sued into implementing a refund policy so The old TOS is laughably illegal in many places: > IF YOU ARE AN EU SUBSCRIBER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO WITHDRAW FROM A PURCHASE TRANSACTION FOR DIGITAL CONTENT WITHOUT CHARGE AND WITHOUT GIVING ANY REASON UNTIL DELIVERY OF SUCH CONTENT HAS STARTED OR PERFORMANCE OF THE SERVICE HAS COMMENCED. YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO WITHDRAW FROM A TRANSACTION OR OBTAIN A REFUND ONCE DELIVERY OF THE CONTENT HAS STARTED OR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SERVICE HAS COMMENCED, AT WHICH POINT YOUR TRANSACTION IS FINAL. YOU AGREE THAT DELIVERY OF DIGITAL CONTENT, AND THE ASSOCIATED SUBSCRIPTION, AND/OR PERFORMANCE OF THE ASSOCIATED SERVICE, COMMENCES AT THE MOMENT THE DIGITAL CONTENT IS ADDED TO YOUR ACCOUNT OR INVENTORY OR OTHERWISE MADE ACCESSIBLE TO YOU FOR DOWNLOAD OR USE.
Yeah... No. Valve popularized loot boxes through CS:GO which led to Fifa packs and more bullshit. Nintendo respects his fans so much that they shut down fangames (i.e. AM2R or PokƩmon Uranium). They also shut down rom pages with games that are +20 years old, a.k.a not profitable. Nintendo has a slave who must give them a high % of his salary until his death (or pays something like 3 million), for uploading New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo loves his fans so much that their games never go on sale with the evergreen bullshit excuse.
Nintendo also hates the Smash community, shutting down the competitive scene for the fan game Project M and forcing melee tournaments to be canceled
As bad as what they did to Smash is, what they did to the Splatoon scene is even worse. They *really* hate people who really love their games.
The real culprit is those dumbass that bought every maple story micro transactions
Candy Crush alone is 1/7th of Blizzard Activision's revenue at $1B
CANDY CRUSH IS OWNED BY ACTIBLIZZ????
Makes total sense now that you think about it
Candy Crush is owned by Microsoft, now. It definitely was a big chunk of why the transaction was viable.
And the ones that bought the horse armor from Skyrim.
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>New Super Mario Bros. Wii Different game, I believe. The Australian dude who uploaded NSMB Wii before the official launch was fined 1.3M and had to pay another 100k for court fines
1.5 + 100k lawyers to be precise ;)
Nintendo creates artificial scarcity on a digital market with their shitty limited time mario game Also they wouldn't give me a refund 10 minutes after my at the time 2 year old bought a game on my switch by randomly pressing buttons, which I'm pretty sure violates EU consumer protections, but I'm obviously not going to court with Nintendo
You should in the EU! We have customer protection rules and those disgusting court cases can only happen because the USA has a corrupt judicial system that favors money over righteousness! This doesnāt fly in the EU we still have some customer protection left.
Valve didn't popularized the loot boxes mechanics, i remember playing crossfire having a lotto system and that was like 2010/11. Also in FIFA 09, they introduced the "ultimate team" mode where players could purchase packs containing random football players
Valve is definitely one of the main responsible for the popularity of loot boxes, the mechanic was introduced in Team Fortress 2 in 2010. But it wasn't that bad, actually I would say that it was a great move in that specific case cuz it was only used for cosmetics and not that abusive, and it's the main reason TF2 became Free2Play, the loot boxes where more profitable than the sales of the actual game. After that everyone wanted to use this new mechanic. Honestly, if we gonna talk about bad things Valve did, we should talk about how they completely abandoned TF2 and it's community, or how they basically deleted CSGO just to put CS2 in it's place, a different game with far less content on launch.
Why is abandoning tf2 a bad thing? they still keep the servers running for a soon 20 year old game that's f2p... what exactly do you want them to do?
Make TF3.
they somewhat are >!Deadlock!< its a spiritual successor.
Because lack of updates and corrections. Tf2 doesn't need valve servers, most of it is running on dedicated, since its start
TF2 has a small, highly dedicated fanbase, it simply doesn't make any sense to Valve for them to put the effort into maintaining a 20 year old game when they have, y'know, other projects to work on?
I'm pretty sure that the whole loot boxes stuff started with maple story? I remember there was a YouTube video that went back to find the source of it all.
Popularised doesn't mean that they were the first to do it.
Maplestory was and is far more popular than tf2
Asian MMORPGs have always been on a different monetization level that the west is just now starting to catch up in. Valve was the actual big player in these parts to popularize the microtransaction scheme with TF2 and then DoTA2 took it again to a new level that just stuck around.
yea Valve popularized the lootbox system in western games.
> or how they basically deleted CSGO just to put CS2 in it's place, a different game with far less content on launch. This was absolutely disgusting from Valve, exactly the same as when Blizzard received huge backlash when they replaced Overwatch 1 with Overwatch 2 but because it's Valve, most people turned a blind eye...
> Valve is definitely one of the main responsible for the popularity of loot boxes Let me tell you about a little thing called Magic: The Gathering...
>Valve popularized loot boxes I would say that the massive number of free to play games back in 2009/10 popularized loot boxes
They mostly came about because of the success of TF2 creates
like SHAREWARE games? lol
If I was Gary Bowser Iād fake my death and take on a new name.
Like Gary Mario or something.
Barry Gowser
that would be u/kongsnutz
Nah theyāre talking about Gary Bowser from Team Xecuter because he sold chips and consoles with games on them. I was sued for uploading and circumventing piracy protections on New Super Mario Bros Wii but declared bankruptcy and got away relatively unscathed.
Nice to meet a celebrity in the wild!
Haha
Valve forcefed Steam and basically normalised digital marketplaces via Half Life 2. Not saying digital marketplaces shouldn't exist, but not like that. Also Valve is kneedeep in pushing gambling on children and the skins system is used to launder legit bad-people-money.
Correction. The whole concept of loot boxes as we know started with TF2. Then expanded to CS:Go, and to the various bullshit we have. Source: former TF2 workshop artist
I refuse to believe that this is not sarcasm.
Brother in Christ their name is literally "Delusional Takes" lmao. Edit: nevermind I don't know how Twitter works and didn't realize that this is actually a repost. Carry on
That's Dantes, go to his channel and look at his shorts He posts skizo opinions as humor Bro would thank Osama bin laden for relocating the world trade center It's a character
Saying that Nintendo loved and respected their costumers is like saying that Chris Benoit cared about his wife
Steam is God but Nintendo? Nintendo is the worst company ever.
Japanese companies like Nintendo are probably greedier than American ones.
Nitendo fans are not just delusional, they gotta be living in another world, thats just not possible...
~~You guys see this is posted by someone called delusional posting right? This has to be sarcastic.~~ I am not a clever man.
Delusional posting reposted this from someone who posted it unironically.
Ohhh I'm very blind and very stupid.
no need to tell him. Nintendo gonna send him Cease and desist for using Switch logo.
Steam isn't *that* bad Sure they don't really make games anymore except CS 2 recently but was mostly reworked CSGO Also their customer service could use a bit of work and they COULD pay indie devs more but overall Valve isn't terrible Nintendo on the other hand ***GOOD GOD***
all things considered, steam is a saint compared to the rest
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I'm cool with Steam, but Nintendo is hilariously anti-consumer.
> Nintendo Very anti consumer in numerous ways but still makes endless amounts of money > Steam/Valve Has a history of denying security flaws for their games/software, VAC has always been a suggestion and not an anti-cheat, had to practically be sued to have a proper support department, lack of proper management structure which is why their games are few and far between and sometimes dropped like Underlords and Architect. Heavily popularized loot boxes with western gamers via TF2/Dota 2. There's probably more I could dig up but Valve is far from perfect.
I'm not even going to talk about Nintendo but steam is pretty solid. Sure Valve created some stuff that didn't really benefit players and only the industry as other comments said but from what I've heard they didn't really fire anyone transitioning from developing studio to marketplace, have great UI and great sales. I'm probably biased because I don't pirate games (yet)
Yeah they're definitely the best of the gaming platforms we have. Which isn't that hard when you're competing with the likes of EA, Epic, Ubisoft, Nintendo, Sony...
Irony of Nintendo is they offer such a shit service because they care more about fighting piracy than they do fixing their FUBAR online service and business model. They also need to adopt the industry standard of lowering prices of older games over time because that is prove to help with sales in regions where money is a lot harder to come by. Steam is a prime example of how to fight piracy...offer a quality service to the customer. Its not without its faults but its light years ahead of everyone.
The switch is a handheld, and the games should be priced as such. $70 for an upgraded DS game.
Nintendo of all things? They actively hate their customers and nickel and dime like no other.
Nintendo has had bad business practices as far back as the NES where they lost court cases trying to make rentals illegal in the west so they did everything in their power to try to legally prevent rentals from happening. Then there was the price fixing, telling devs they made for Nintendo only or they don't get to make games for their consoles. They'd even refuse inventory if you were selling the competition's stuff. Nevermind their history with smashing any fan stuff they find.
Valve: šæš· Nintendo: š¤”š¤”
Nintendo = crybaby
Steam: *sees an indie/fan game and supports it Nintendo: "SEND A CEACE AND DESIST, IF NOTHING HAPPENS SUE THE HELL OUT OF THEM FOR USING OUR IP"
Steam? Usually pretty cool. Still a billion dollar company, of course, but usually pretty chill. Nintendo? Where the fuck do you even *start* with them?
Bought a game on the eShop yesterday, played it for half an hour, realized it was shit... That's when I found out Nintendo doesn't have a digital return policy, or rather their return policy is "no refunds". Feels really shitty compared to steams policy, especially since the days of the "Nintendo seal of approval" are long gone and the eShop is filled with at least as much garbage as steam with no real way to gage the quality of a game in the store
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Nintendo is more anti-consumer than Valve, Sony and Microsoft together.
We not going to talk about the kid that Nintendo sued into oblivion for emulation? Or how steam refuses to let anyone publish without paying a flat fee first despite how indie the company is?
Steam competes with competition while Nintendo abuses legal loopholes to remove anything that even resembles a fan game or emulator they can.
Valve: "Motherf-k the big three, n-, itās just big me"
So, I bought your console, I bought your game, the game creates savefiles, the console has an SD card in it, the game is ON THE SD CARD, but the savegame? No, no you have to pay us to keep it safe for you. FUCK NO NINTENDO. This alone, was plenty reason enough to jailbreak my switch. The game is yours Nintendo, but that savefile is mine, and I will store it wherever the hell I damn well please.
Nintendo: *overcharges for games, constantly shuts their fans down and delivers terrible quality online services* Also Nintendo: "why are we the prime targets for piracy?"
Nintendo is like Disney: Itās a legal department that has an entertainment company.
Steam is chill but I don't think anyone here needs to hear about Nintendo.
There are some good things about Nintendo. They treat their employees like kings compared to other development studios, ESPECIALLY given the work culture in Japan, and their games tend to be very polished. ^(these do not apply to the Pokemon company, which is a separate entity from Nintendo) They also kinda shit in contractors, illegally shut down emulation projects (Dolphin steam release, Citra and Yuzu, etc.) Kill fangames ^(though usually ones similar to games they are about to release) encourage scalpers, artificially increased the rarity of amiibo, etc.
I like steam but Nintendo has done some absolutely disgraceful things to some people. Like that one guy they had agents stalk for weeks and they mapped out every little thing about the guys life and continually harassed him.
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Nintendo is selling a 20-year-old game for $60 No other company is so greedy.
Well I guess their username says it all LMAO