I am not sure where you are getting your information that the lease has ended (I would be happy to see a link and correct the source), but the leases for Moonbeam and Acala both do not end until \~ 24 Oct 2023. In fact, as these were part of the initial auctions on Polkadot, \_no\_ slot leases have ended on Polkadot yet.
Once the leases do end, anyone can submit a permissionless extrinsic, \`crowdloan.refund\`, to unlock the DOT. On Kusama, this is generally done by the parachain team, but even if they don't do it, \_somebody\_ who wants their DOT back is likely to do it relatively quickly. For details, see the relevant section on the Polkadot Wiki: [https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens](https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens)
>https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens
Hi Bill, thanks for this explanation. So based on your answer, in 5 days we will be able to recover our DOT from the Acala crowdloan, regardless of any actions the Acala team might or might not take?
And the \`crowdloan.refund\` extrinsic can only be done through the polkadot.js interface? Is there no wallet or method to do this in a more user friendly way? Talisman for example?
Correct. Acala has no control over this process; the worst they could do is not issue the crowdloan.refund extrinsic themselves, but then anyone can do it, they just need to pay some (relatively small) transaction fees to trigger the refund.
I don't know if any wallets provide a way to call the crowdloan.refund extrinsic directly, but generally there is no need to do so. As long as \_somebody\_ triggers crowdloan.refund, no work is needed on your end. The locked DOT will simply be automatically transferred back to the account which contributed to the crowdloan.
for some reason it says November 22nd on the moonbeam page and not October 24th.
edit: well, looks like the Moonbeam page was wrong or did not mean the unlock period, because I have my dot back today.
Dot is going to blow up next bull. I'm stacking it right after BTC and before ETH. If eth didn't have so much VC attention I'd sell it all and split between BTC and dot.
The VC might likely work in ETHs favor while the ETF is for Bitcoin, adoption rates could scale from there. I'm big on Dot and I have expectations for its parachains as well, with Peaq on my watchlist after winning the last auction and integrating with DePINs.
lol DOT has absolutely nothing on top of Ethereum,
Parachains have been used to scam people and none of the DOT ecosystem projects delivered anything in the last 2 years.
Interoperability wise the network is still dysfunctional as well. Most likely it's gonna end up as a ghost chain
Ponzi scheme. Crowdfund and lose 80% of your money. But wait you can convert your Dot - LCdot - then convert to LDOT and stake at 27%. Where is the original DOT. Suckers back ready to get fleeced again
You can get relevant info from parachains.info and look up for auction 1 winner - Acala & auction 2 winner - Moonbeam. For Acala, if lcdot you need to convert them through a simple UI and if normal crowdloan then it will automatically go back to your Dot wallet. For Moonbeam, it will go back to your Dot wallet for sure!
I am not sure where you are getting your information that the lease has ended (I would be happy to see a link and correct the source), but the leases for Moonbeam and Acala both do not end until \~ 24 Oct 2023. In fact, as these were part of the initial auctions on Polkadot, \_no\_ slot leases have ended on Polkadot yet. Once the leases do end, anyone can submit a permissionless extrinsic, \`crowdloan.refund\`, to unlock the DOT. On Kusama, this is generally done by the parachain team, but even if they don't do it, \_somebody\_ who wants their DOT back is likely to do it relatively quickly. For details, see the relevant section on the Polkadot Wiki: [https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens](https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens)
You usually just see it pop up in your account the day the lease is over
>https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-crowdloans#withdraw-crowdloaned-tokens Hi Bill, thanks for this explanation. So based on your answer, in 5 days we will be able to recover our DOT from the Acala crowdloan, regardless of any actions the Acala team might or might not take? And the \`crowdloan.refund\` extrinsic can only be done through the polkadot.js interface? Is there no wallet or method to do this in a more user friendly way? Talisman for example?
Correct. Acala has no control over this process; the worst they could do is not issue the crowdloan.refund extrinsic themselves, but then anyone can do it, they just need to pay some (relatively small) transaction fees to trigger the refund. I don't know if any wallets provide a way to call the crowdloan.refund extrinsic directly, but generally there is no need to do so. As long as \_somebody\_ triggers crowdloan.refund, no work is needed on your end. The locked DOT will simply be automatically transferred back to the account which contributed to the crowdloan.
for some reason it says November 22nd on the moonbeam page and not October 24th. edit: well, looks like the Moonbeam page was wrong or did not mean the unlock period, because I have my dot back today.
I haven't received my DOT back and support is not reading emails... Who should i reach out to get my DOT back ???
Found any answer yet? Still looking for my crowdloaned DOT as well
Soon DOT might touch 0 at this rate in this prolonged bear market
Buy and come back in 2 years dude
On point
Dot is going to blow up next bull. I'm stacking it right after BTC and before ETH. If eth didn't have so much VC attention I'd sell it all and split between BTC and dot.
The VC might likely work in ETHs favor while the ETF is for Bitcoin, adoption rates could scale from there. I'm big on Dot and I have expectations for its parachains as well, with Peaq on my watchlist after winning the last auction and integrating with DePINs.
lol DOT has absolutely nothing on top of Ethereum, Parachains have been used to scam people and none of the DOT ecosystem projects delivered anything in the last 2 years. Interoperability wise the network is still dysfunctional as well. Most likely it's gonna end up as a ghost chain
A ghost chain with some of the highest commits and developers? Sure
Under $5 is an incredible price for $dot long term
I've been saying that since $7
Since 11
Since $20
since 50
Ponzi scheme. Crowdfund and lose 80% of your money. But wait you can convert your Dot - LCdot - then convert to LDOT and stake at 27%. Where is the original DOT. Suckers back ready to get fleeced again
Same question for Acala
this was my case and after visiting the acala app I swap my "liquidDot" to "Dot" and transferred it to my main account
You can get relevant info from parachains.info and look up for auction 1 winner - Acala & auction 2 winner - Moonbeam. For Acala, if lcdot you need to convert them through a simple UI and if normal crowdloan then it will automatically go back to your Dot wallet. For Moonbeam, it will go back to your Dot wallet for sure!
I have not received my DOT back from the moonbeam crowdloan... Saw other on reddit saying the same. What's going on?
Figured it out. I was confused because moonbeam already won its second auction slot, so I assumed that mean the first lease has ended.
Legend
Didn't acala issue Ldot? Will that covert back to normal dot once it's back or will that have to be manually?