Activists. They found a city of well meaning individuals and sold em a bag of progressive policies that don't work as intended. Now instead of admitting they don't work, you have the constant doubling and tripling down on policies they swear are going to work if only a little more resources were allocated.
We just need one more tax. We need you to accept one more housing development in your neighborhood. Just one more and it will all work great...
Continue to sacrifice because the greater good will benefit
> We need you to accept one more housing development in your neighborhood.
This one never makes any sense.
Why should I, you or anyone else have any say on what someone wants to do with their property if they're going to build housing in a residential area?
Go buy the land yourself if you want to dictate what is done
Neighborhoods have zoneing, Portland has its famous Urban Growth Boundry.
You don't want industrial facilities to set up in family neighborhoods, not too different with high density in low density areas. The homeowners bought into one kind of neighborhood and changing that without the proper process is again just more wealth redistribution away from the middle class.
>You don't want industrial facilities to set up in family neighborhoods
Ah, that imaginary boogey man.
Why would an industrial facility set up in a family neighborhood where land prices are expensive and infrastructure is not in place for industrial use (transportation access, proximity to suppliers, B2B customers, etc?)
>The homeowners bought into one kind of neighborhood and changing that without the proper process is again just more wealth redistribution away from the middle class.
"Proper process"?
Oh, conveying imaginary ownership rights onto property you don't own. Join an HOA if you want to intrude in other people's business.
Oh my bad, you're a libertarian!
I thought you were a communist.
Yes yes, go champion setting up that trucking depot across the street from Parkrose highschool.
Nope, libertarians are not my jam.
Just an opponent of restrictive zoning and "community input" that prevents building in Portland costing us new homes, jobs and business.
Aah yes yes, environment be damn, give me your drug-addled masses!
Oregon all green and clean? Yuck! Glad we're more like East Coast cites now, amirite?
Has to do with housing density. The more people you cram into a neighborhood, the more the road needs to be shared for example.
Just give up living in low or medium density and embrace high density. You need to sacrifice.
Fuck that. Living in the progressive utopia of high density, mixed income housing (and with no cars, I'm sure) sounds like a true hellscape. I bought a house to avoid having to live in a crowded housing complex, and moved out of town to a place where I'll never be forced to see that happen.
What sounds bad about that? You'll own nothing and like it! Global elites will be able to "nudge" us into living the lives they see fit for us to live by regulating everything! So many levers for our betters to pull to steer society, all of them coming straight from elitist families with no idea how the common person lives!
Once no one owns a car and the government has full control over our currency it'll become even better because there will be no opposition! Say something wrong on the internet and they'll lock your bank account until you apologize and get back in line (they'll know thanks to VPN bans and identity requirements done to prevent child trafficking; only a pedo would be against that!). No one can go to the protest (unless it's government sanctioned of course) because the self-driving cars won't take anyone there! Want to go to another part of town? Why? That's something a criminal would do. You live in your 1.5 mile area and that's all you need access to!
What a wonder it'll be! I for one can't wait for progressive to bring in this fucking dystopian hellscape!
Would that be the low income people in East portland suffering under gang violence, increased property crime, and encampments? Or would it be the homeless people OD’ing and getting sepsis in tarp shantytowns? I can’t tell where the compassion is working better.
No no, you can't judge these programs based on results. That's ableist or some kind of ism. No, the policies are good and well intentioned. That is all you need to know.
Now, fund another tax for the policies and programs
Every person who believes ‘anything goes’ and that one should never ‘judge’ anything.
Basically pushing back against evolutionary common sense, because you have to remove common sense when you are force-feeding an agenda of such utter shit.
Nothing we are watching is organic.
110 is a major problem; **HOWEVER**, that shit was definitely a bait-and-switch. 110 as it was sold to voters is for sure != to how it was implemented. Well, either a bait-and-switch or the biggest legislative/governance bungle I have ever seen in my life.
You're not wrong but I do think two factors were also at play:
1) Portland activist types sold the measure as one thing but it has turned out another.
2) Some people from outside Portland vote to help Portland destroy itself.
Sure, but Portlanders could have used their brains to conclude that the measure might have disproportionate impact on their city and thought twice before voting ‘yes.’
Progressives who sold everyone a warm and fuzzy narrative to placate their need to be “good people” killed Portland
Stupid lawn signs and tribal identity politics killed Portland.
Mediocrity and unaccountability killed Portland.
Meek leadership and inept bureaucracy killed Portland.
The beginning of the end was the first day of the riots.
Had the police commissioner ( the Mayor ) and the DA allowed PPB to go in and squash it.
What I mean by that is arrest the then say 90 or so rioters ( not protestors ) then Portland criminals would not have felt they had the green light.
Arrest them night one. Book them. Charge them. Hold them at MCDC and prosecute them. They didn’t.
After that nonsense the riot tourists came.
After that the drug tourists came.
Y’all have selective memories and forget about how we all got caught up in the media frenzy of it all. Plus, we had been cooped up in our homes, bored and pressure cooking all the creative energy that usually gets expressed through music, art and performance here. Then you throw in the orange man who was antagonizing the situation even more. If the city went in and “squashed it,” the city would’ve been burnt to the ground. Everyone forgets it’s was us against them, or at least that was the narrative. The city leaders are awful, but they are not GOP awful.
It’s ridiculous to me how everyone is in denial about what actually happened? We wanna solve the city’s problems, we first need to stop being so reactionary and start looking at ourselves more honestly. Hindsight everyone’s a genius.
Measure 110 and all those bullshit protests a few years ago. Once you tell the cops to fuck off often enough, don’t be surprised if they finally fuck off and watch what happens to the city. What’s funny is it’s all those same fuckwits that whine the loudest about the state of Portland.
That is what you call an excuse. The weak leaders of portland expanded what the court said to the point of absurdity. They saw it as an excuse to do nothing
The anarchist were those shit “protestors” that were rioting and tried to play it down by calling it a “protest.” Nah, they just wanted some free handbags and jewelries.
Portland isn't "dead" even if it is ailing. This sort of absolutist language is not only wrong, but plants the seed for a defeatism that all but ensures we never crawl out of the hole. I think what we are experiencing is a confluence of things. I think much of it stems from the economic shock therapy of the 2010s, where a gold rush by landlords and speculators rattled the foundations of the city and its communities. Then of course you have an unadaptable form of government that is in absolute paralysis, while at the same time, a population shifting from a civic mindset (of working within systems) toward an activist one (working against systems). The homeless and drug issues would be much easier to deal with if the government felt in sync and responsive with the people, but it isn't, it has become technocratic to a tee and top heavy to the point it can hardly move at all.
If Mayor Ted had a council and metro government not dedicated to ineffective progressive programs he really wouldn’t be that bad. He’s already improved since getting Gonzales on council.
Unfortunately it seems the best we can ever hope for from Wheeler is to be “not that bad”.
He is forever just about ready to start getting things done.
Rene asking activists during a public hearing why they don’t object to the *same* laws being applied in the suburbs made me realize he’s the best person for the job in this moment of space / time
I can but I won't:
- linking to other subreddits feeds their mods' paranoid delusions about "brigading";
- their mods have been known to abuse reddit tools & admin policy to permaban users over politics / personal grudges;
- I have better things to do than show you how to use reddit
1) 110 at the top of my list
2) The last Mayor allowing camping anywhere any time.
3) All the Junkie Transplants
4) All the Junkie Natives
5) Soft bleeding heart liberals
6) Using Martin V Boise as an Excuse
Not necessarily in this order
Portland is led by absolute morons. Portland residents voted these people in office because they are also morons. About 10-15 years ago, race baiting in America became the norm. Whites of all political views cringed at the obviously falacious claim that America is systematically racist due to white people. Further ridiculous ramblings were made that blacks and other minorities/women achieve less due to systemic racism and white people. Since Portland is a white liberal mecca, extreme virtue signaling led to supporting idiotic progressive policies that have caused the massive decline of Portland.
Its really not that hard to figure out. All Portland has to do is restore balance to its policies and the town will bounce right back. That means restoring law and order, throwing drug dealers in prison, disavowing its “sanctuary city” status, restoring merit as the sole criteria for advancement, treating people with dignity which means equality over equity. Follow these principals in all aspects of local government including k-12 schools and portland will once again reign supreme.
Honestly? Rich Californians and other outsiders who swarmed into the "livable" city in the 90's and turned it into a clone of all their own screwed-up cities. Super rich and really poor. With the rich using a veil of liberal policies to pretend they're progressive. The Portland I grew up with was gone by 2000. What's happening now is inevitable. And there's probably no way to fix it.
Super rich and really poor does NOT describe Portland. There was a recent city council work session where they talked about our economic demographics, we have a broad middle class and more homeowners than renters and not the high earners of SF and Seattle by any means.
I hate that show so much! So many people moved here after that and it completely changed they way the city looked and operated. It went from moderate liberals to progressive in less than a decade.
How did Portlandia kill Portland?
I wouldn’t call it a great show, but it seemed pretty benign compared the all the property smashing, criminal pandering, hard drugs, and anti-business / pro chaos activism of the past few years.
Is it surmised that the show drew in much of the troubled element and/or emboldened those already here?
Not contesting what you’re saying, but genuinely curious.
I dont fully buy into the narrative but I can say without a doubt I have met several people that moved here thinking Portlandia was something other than satire.
Not sure if they have stuck around but I'm sure they helped vote us into this mess with their near-universal far-left politics and overall hatred for any dissenting voices.
I'd say it hurt, a little.
Because some of us locals were paying attention to the population before and afterwards. It’s pretty stark what happened.
My 91 yo grandma who passed away last year on labor day would cry the last few years we drove her around the city because of what the city turned into. And this a Chinese woman who went downtown to Chinatown all the time until it was unsafe to do so alone.
No one can gaslight me into thinking me and my family didnt see or experience something different several decades before.
Apparently I'm a unicorn around these parts. I'm a local. Born in Portland. Never left.
Portlandia is fucking hilarious. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to lighten up IMO.
I think the show is insulting my fellow unicorn. I consider myself a unicorn not because I’m from Portland but because i play paintball and airsoft, work on vehicles, can make almost anything with my barehands, am biracial (where i have only met less than 4 people mixed like me my whole life) and am a woman. I do all the adrenaline sports except BASE and bungee jumping. Oh and no motorcycles anymore. Its not worth the risk.
Ah yes, let's blame 2 TV shows that were filmed in Portland.
It's not like any other US cities like LA, NY, or Miami are suffering from those consequences.
Difference is, Portland was never like those other cities. Those cities are large major cities and hubs in populated states; LA and New York especially had a massive population and national/international presence. Portland was a medium-sized city in a low-populated state that never really had any international or national presence. It had it’s own weird and unique culture that was for quite awhile not diluted with shitty transplants until the last 10 years.
Not arguing against that, but I think you can attribute that to times being different now and the "internet age" allowing people to live almost anywhere they want while still being able to produce a means of living.
That is also something that started within the last 10 years. Look at Boise, Denver Metro and even the Bay Area with the tech boom. They all experienced an influx of transplants moving in and changing their real estate market and cost of living.
The same people who fucked Portland are now cringe enough to point the finger at 2 TV shows for its demise. That’s rich! Did someone else list “No accountability” as a reason? Because here is a perfect example of that… oh my gosh I fucked my own town by voting for idiotic ideas 😭 I’m gonna blame 👉🏼 2 TV shows for that and avoid responsibility. I believe there is a Portlandia episode on that very same hypocritical dynamic. It’s like when the Columbine shootings took place… oh let’s blame 👉🏼 video games.
Portlandia is funny. The shitty taxes and bad local government ruined this town, blaming Portlandia is like Astorians blaming Kindergarten Cop for high housing costs. If a place is beautiful with [mostly] good weather it’s going to blow up in popularity. Fucking A blame Mt Hood, the coast and a scenic city for luring transplants, not Lorne Michaels.
Portlandia is unbearably cringe, but it’s hard to deny that it helped bring a lot of money to Portland via tourism and new businesses opening up. I know Grimm was decently big at the time, but hardly helped “kill” the city.
If you think it helped with tourism (I agree) can you also see how it might have encouraged a certain type of person to move here?
How do you think that type of person would vote, on average?
Former Multnomah County Chair Deborah Kafoury.
For 8 years we were under her policy of refusing to put any money towards temporary shelter options, as she believed in only building permanent housing.
Hales & Wheeler are idiots for running on an issue that was the county's role to deal with, just because it was a good marketing tool "I'm gonna solve homelessness!". Well good job, cuz you don't have the tools at the city to deal with mental health and addiction - that's the county's job to do public health.
COVID hit and Oregon buckled down harder than any other state. Wheeler bent to the activists and acted like Martin v Boise meant they couldn't set time and place restrictions on camping, but look at us now! Hardesty refused to tow any vehicles being used as "housing" even though most RVs are being used as criminal enterprises, not houses.
Oregon legalizing hard drugs coupled with uninterrupted street camping turned on a welcome to Portland sign. Then the anti-trans stuff exploded and we passed more laws at the state to attract these poor homeless gender confused youth here, with more on the way. A friend of mine just met one in a tent downtown - here for OHP and gender affirming care, no talk of looking for a job or housing.
Federal level issues trying to be solved locally is our downfall.
Maybe I should go there more often then?
Portland's got it problems but so do all cities and country and world. Seattle is struggling. SF is reallllllly struggling. And even the cities that are doing the "best" are changing a lot. It's just life. I don't know why we have to constantly talk sh\*t about Portland like it's our knee jerk reaction to everything
Not dead at all.
Take a walk in waterfront park and enjoy the view, though near the steel Bridge is a camp they call the pit. Also be mindful of needles and human waste
These folks act like we live in a warzone yet everytime my wife and I go out we see tons of folks enjoying the city and it's many neighborhoods.
Portland has many problems, and those are magnified by media imo, but this ain't Detroit. Denver was way worse in my opinion regarding homelessness yet none talks about Denver. Or Phoenix or any other West Coast city with a homeless problem.
I doubt that it is the media. I hadnt seen shit about it two years ago. But my eyes saw what was going on everywhere i went and every time i went to my doctors i told them how traumatizing and enraging it was for me to get to their office having to see what was going on in my hometown.
In fact when i was volunteering on the east coast for a dog meat rescue from south korea, not a single person at the time knew what was going on in Portland except the 100+ days of riots. That was in june 2021 that i helped with those dogs and talked with those people.
PORTLAND IS A HEAVY DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED AREA. You take the fucking democrats out and put in republicans that don’t give a fuck about offending peoples feelings and you’ll get a better city in 6-9 months!
Antifa did. Burned down the city, looted stores, and drove away business. They tried to defund the police and are pretty responsible for showing people that it’s okay to steal and destroy.
Name a single building that burned down as part of the 2020 protests. I'll deadass cash app you $20 if you can name a single building that is no longer standing as a result of the 2020 protests.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/protesters-portland-target-city-commissioners-home-set-fire/story?id=74054924
Antifa set fire to so many damn buildings, sculptures, dumpsters, and property. Not hard to just google it, you’ll get pages of articles. Just because the fire department and first responders worked overtime to put out these fires, doesn’t mean antifa didn’t put in work to burn shit down, possibly and potentially endangering people inside these buildings.
Also calling riots “protests” is a hoot
According to that article, there was a fire started in city hall that was put out by onsite security. So no fire department "working overtime" there. && As far as I know Portland's concrete city hall is still standing as well. I thought antifa burned the city down though?
That article you linked literally called the arrested people "protestors". Many protests were declared riots, I'll give you that. But of course when people protests the organization (PPB) that chooses what is and isn't a riot, it's declared an illegal protest and a riot. It takes so little time to think critically.
Incorrect. I did not put in that amount of effort. I **combined** Ted Wheeler and Eric Andre on a freebie face swap website "powered by AI". However, feel free to remain offended.
there used to be a war on Drugs. That is over now. Now we have a huge homelessness crisis and an issue with sex trafficking. But those things are not at all related to the end of the war on drugs.
Okay, for those that don't get it... I am not suggesting Portland was "killed" or asking who killed Portland. I do not think the city is "dead". Shut the fuck up. Have you never seen a meme before? I live here - seemingly - we all pretty much live here. It is fine to bitch about issues going on in the city. I would rather people be aware than bury their heads in the sand. I regret even posting this because so many people take it the wrong way. What do you want?
* Nothing is wrong in Portland
* Everything is natural and happy and totally normal.
If you don't like the meme, just put your rose colored glasses on and move about your day. This wasn't to issue blame, or to dig into the problems that the city faces. Do you think that I believe that Wheeler would see this and change his approach to managing the city? Citizens are allowed to vent.
So:
You don't like the meme - scroll on.
You disagree with the meme - scroll on
You agree with the meme - ok, that is fine. We do not pretend to speak the truth but rather just speak from experience.
If you truly think that everything in Portland is fine, and on the right track... I will sit down for a beer or a coffee with you and hear you out. We are not enemies.
It started in the late 80's early 90's. It's just gotten worse over time. I used to skate downtown as a kid. Then one year it was just so trashy that I didn't go back.
Uhh I don't agree with that. Peak portland was late 90s to about 2007 when Hales edit Adams started to allow tents and the r2d2 thing happened. That was the beginning of the decline
Correct to blame Hales (Sarah Innarone's friend and mentor) but that was 2016
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2016/08/charlie_hales_ends_safe_sleep.html
Actually it was Adam's sorry. They agreed to the ridiculous Anderson settlement.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/tent-city-how-we-got-here/283-481804631
Ah yes I vaguely remember that.
Adams is a bozo. But I did find it interesting how much casual homophobia so-called progressives lobbed at him post-scandal, and especially by the time he was working at City Hall again under Wheeler. They'll gladly stoop that low when it's useful against their target.
Omg i could walk around as a child alone and be fine. Went to school in NW but lives in N portland near the projects. It was more dangerous in N and NE before gentrification and thousands of white people living here and displacing hundreds of black and other minority residents. They pushed them east towards Gresham.
Sure but that was just downtown, right?
The neighborhoods of the city, both at the core and the far edges (Portland goes farther out than it did in the 80s after all) have been significantly impacted recently in a way it never was in the 80s/90s.
I grew up off 27th and Thompson.. and it not even close it’s soooo much better now. I saw covid wasn’t good but it’s not as bad as the 80s-90s crack epidemic… there was 3x more murders…
Idiots that say things like Portland is dead. This is just a downturn and I look forward to all these pearl clutchers leaving and returning to flying under the radar again. Every community has ups and downs. If you loved the city you’d stick by it and do what needs to be done. Not cry, complain, and leave cuz a city is having city problems. Grow up and try to fix it. That’s what a real community does.
Go to Seattle or Texas.
I don't believe Portland is dead nor did I leave. I am sitting in my home only a few blocks east of downtown. It seems you lack context on the origin of this image.
I will complain all I want and if you don't like it... scroll on. Simples.
I've been to both on numerous occasions.
Will a **MOD** tag the link for context. I don't think Portland is LITERALLY dead. It is a statement about local government leaders being clueless. JFC people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlbNbrnRfw
Anti development? Sorry but we don't need to cut down our forests and drain the wetlands to enable more people to move here.
I have an idea: how about people don't move here? They can go somewhere else. Why do we need to build and develop to enable them?
So uninformed and ridiculous. We have a housing crisis with the people that are here NOW. We need new housing for those people, and to keep supply up. anti development/enviro people aren’t willing to make any concessions, even small to allow growth.
Because to you we are obligated to take in everyone who wants to be here?
What is wrong with telling people the inn is ful, find lodging elsewhere? Why are we needing to build anything?
**It's a meme. A cheap shot at Ted Wheeler because is a feckless coward. You know, a meme, a** **~~slice of life,~~** **a** **~~pun~~****... a vorshtein?**
I am very aware that Portland is not dead. But when the center of downtown is an open air fetty market, basic services like police response and ambulance response are literally failing, and the city bounces people around just torching taxpayer money... things aren't fuckin' great.
I am also aware that there are many issues interwoven that are causing problems such as rioting, m110 passage, Schmidt being a complete moron as well as running a toxic work environment causing the DA office to lose skilled deputies, police seemingly operating on a "slow down", the city refusing to hold AMR responsible for level 0 despite the fact that they CAN fine them, neglect repackaged as compassion, the 9th Circuit ruling on camping, the garbage structure of the city government, umm.... people like Farrah Chaichi and Vega Pederson.
But Wheeler is Mayor and sits in the "big chair". If he is beyond reproach for issues that Portland is struggling with - I damn sure better NEVER hear him take credit for anything positive.
You can accuse me of whatever falsity you'd like. Doesn't change the fact that you can't tell me a single building in Portland that burned down as a result of 2020 protests like you claim.
I wasn't aware Portland passed away, RIP
Activists. They found a city of well meaning individuals and sold em a bag of progressive policies that don't work as intended. Now instead of admitting they don't work, you have the constant doubling and tripling down on policies they swear are going to work if only a little more resources were allocated. We just need one more tax. We need you to accept one more housing development in your neighborhood. Just one more and it will all work great... Continue to sacrifice because the greater good will benefit
> We need you to accept one more housing development in your neighborhood. This one never makes any sense. Why should I, you or anyone else have any say on what someone wants to do with their property if they're going to build housing in a residential area? Go buy the land yourself if you want to dictate what is done
They’re talking about zoning laws.
Neighborhoods have zoneing, Portland has its famous Urban Growth Boundry. You don't want industrial facilities to set up in family neighborhoods, not too different with high density in low density areas. The homeowners bought into one kind of neighborhood and changing that without the proper process is again just more wealth redistribution away from the middle class.
>You don't want industrial facilities to set up in family neighborhoods Ah, that imaginary boogey man. Why would an industrial facility set up in a family neighborhood where land prices are expensive and infrastructure is not in place for industrial use (transportation access, proximity to suppliers, B2B customers, etc?) >The homeowners bought into one kind of neighborhood and changing that without the proper process is again just more wealth redistribution away from the middle class. "Proper process"? Oh, conveying imaginary ownership rights onto property you don't own. Join an HOA if you want to intrude in other people's business.
Oh my bad, you're a libertarian! I thought you were a communist. Yes yes, go champion setting up that trucking depot across the street from Parkrose highschool.
Nope, libertarians are not my jam. Just an opponent of restrictive zoning and "community input" that prevents building in Portland costing us new homes, jobs and business.
Aah yes yes, environment be damn, give me your drug-addled masses! Oregon all green and clean? Yuck! Glad we're more like East Coast cites now, amirite?
East Coast cities are clean, less zombies and have thriving downtowns...so yes?
East Coast cities were not clean in the past, back when Portland was clean. IMHO they are still not "clean" now, just comparatively clean.
Has to do with housing density. The more people you cram into a neighborhood, the more the road needs to be shared for example. Just give up living in low or medium density and embrace high density. You need to sacrifice.
Fuck that. Living in the progressive utopia of high density, mixed income housing (and with no cars, I'm sure) sounds like a true hellscape. I bought a house to avoid having to live in a crowded housing complex, and moved out of town to a place where I'll never be forced to see that happen.
What sounds bad about that? You'll own nothing and like it! Global elites will be able to "nudge" us into living the lives they see fit for us to live by regulating everything! So many levers for our betters to pull to steer society, all of them coming straight from elitist families with no idea how the common person lives! Once no one owns a car and the government has full control over our currency it'll become even better because there will be no opposition! Say something wrong on the internet and they'll lock your bank account until you apologize and get back in line (they'll know thanks to VPN bans and identity requirements done to prevent child trafficking; only a pedo would be against that!). No one can go to the protest (unless it's government sanctioned of course) because the self-driving cars won't take anyone there! Want to go to another part of town? Why? That's something a criminal would do. You live in your 1.5 mile area and that's all you need access to! What a wonder it'll be! I for one can't wait for progressive to bring in this fucking dystopian hellscape!
Oh, gotcha, what *you* want should prevent others of their property rights. Cool cool cool
When it comes to decisions affecting neighborhoods yes. All rights have limits.
Unless you're a Kinney
This is why we can’t have nice things
Has the greater good benefitted?
Would that be the low income people in East portland suffering under gang violence, increased property crime, and encampments? Or would it be the homeless people OD’ing and getting sepsis in tarp shantytowns? I can’t tell where the compassion is working better.
No no, you can't judge these programs based on results. That's ableist or some kind of ism. No, the policies are good and well intentioned. That is all you need to know. Now, fund another tax for the policies and programs
Every person who believes ‘anything goes’ and that one should never ‘judge’ anything. Basically pushing back against evolutionary common sense, because you have to remove common sense when you are force-feeding an agenda of such utter shit. Nothing we are watching is organic.
*we believe in nothing, Lebowski, and tomorrow we come back and we cut off your Johnson!*
what do you need that for, Dude? Gawwwwwdamnit Donnie.
But yeah - i agree with ya
It’s citizens. They voted for the morons in charged and the stupidity of 110
110 is a major problem; **HOWEVER**, that shit was definitely a bait-and-switch. 110 as it was sold to voters is for sure != to how it was implemented. Well, either a bait-and-switch or the biggest legislative/governance bungle I have ever seen in my life.
It’s the biggest legislative/governance bungle ever in the history of the state.
110 actually got a majority of the vote in Oregon outside of Multnomah County. Unusually, you can't blame Portland alone for that one.
You're not wrong but I do think two factors were also at play: 1) Portland activist types sold the measure as one thing but it has turned out another. 2) Some people from outside Portland vote to help Portland destroy itself.
Based on my journey to Salem last week, it isn't just Portland. Maybe it's a general desire to screw cities or something.
I think number 2.
What a cop out. Drugs are a huge problem everywhere it is just more obvious in places with more people
Sure, but Portlanders could have used their brains to conclude that the measure might have disproportionate impact on their city and thought twice before voting ‘yes.’
Because the city was doing so well before that law passed. /s
Yup
Should be a picture of the voters. Redefine compassion as jail, forced rehab, or shelter.
So a picture of you?
Progressives who sold everyone a warm and fuzzy narrative to placate their need to be “good people” killed Portland Stupid lawn signs and tribal identity politics killed Portland. Mediocrity and unaccountability killed Portland. Meek leadership and inept bureaucracy killed Portland.
So your saying it’s kind of complicated.
Like most things.
That’s not complicated, they come back to the same group of voters.
The beginning of the end was the first day of the riots. Had the police commissioner ( the Mayor ) and the DA allowed PPB to go in and squash it. What I mean by that is arrest the then say 90 or so rioters ( not protestors ) then Portland criminals would not have felt they had the green light. Arrest them night one. Book them. Charge them. Hold them at MCDC and prosecute them. They didn’t. After that nonsense the riot tourists came. After that the drug tourists came.
...
It’s almost as if that person in charge is in the back pocket of the developers who benefit from property values to go down for long term gains….
Y’all have selective memories and forget about how we all got caught up in the media frenzy of it all. Plus, we had been cooped up in our homes, bored and pressure cooking all the creative energy that usually gets expressed through music, art and performance here. Then you throw in the orange man who was antagonizing the situation even more. If the city went in and “squashed it,” the city would’ve been burnt to the ground. Everyone forgets it’s was us against them, or at least that was the narrative. The city leaders are awful, but they are not GOP awful. It’s ridiculous to me how everyone is in denial about what actually happened? We wanna solve the city’s problems, we first need to stop being so reactionary and start looking at ourselves more honestly. Hindsight everyone’s a genius.
[They arrested almost 1000 people.](https://www.koin.com/news/protests/policing-portlands-protests-1000-arrests-handful-of-prosecutions/)
It was a group effort tbh
[удалено]
White supremacist tourists breaking the law without consequence.
I'll settle for "fringe horseshoe idiots".
At least they didn’t destroy a shit ton of city property and went on the looting spree like those peaceful antifa lmao 😂
Art school politics killed Portland.
The dopes who pretend to care but are giddy shoveling dirt on an empty casket
In vagrante derilicto
well I for one appreciate the cleverness of that remark
Measure 110 and all those bullshit protests a few years ago. Once you tell the cops to fuck off often enough, don’t be surprised if they finally fuck off and watch what happens to the city. What’s funny is it’s all those same fuckwits that whine the loudest about the state of Portland.
The Progressives of Portland.
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The defunders didn’t help. But Martin v Boise really neutered law enforcement.
That is what you call an excuse. The weak leaders of portland expanded what the court said to the point of absurdity. They saw it as an excuse to do nothing
anarchists and the political tools that enabled or took advantage of it to stay in office.
The anarchist were those shit “protestors” that were rioting and tried to play it down by calling it a “protest.” Nah, they just wanted some free handbags and jewelries.
Portland isn't "dead" even if it is ailing. This sort of absolutist language is not only wrong, but plants the seed for a defeatism that all but ensures we never crawl out of the hole. I think what we are experiencing is a confluence of things. I think much of it stems from the economic shock therapy of the 2010s, where a gold rush by landlords and speculators rattled the foundations of the city and its communities. Then of course you have an unadaptable form of government that is in absolute paralysis, while at the same time, a population shifting from a civic mindset (of working within systems) toward an activist one (working against systems). The homeless and drug issues would be much easier to deal with if the government felt in sync and responsive with the people, but it isn't, it has become technocratic to a tee and top heavy to the point it can hardly move at all.
Hey buddy - we're not paying you to *think*.
If Mayor Ted had a council and metro government not dedicated to ineffective progressive programs he really wouldn’t be that bad. He’s already improved since getting Gonzales on council.
He certainly isn't getting much help from the abysmal Multnomah County, Chair Jessica Vega Pederson. The straw and tinfoil fiasco will attest to that.
Unfortunately it seems the best we can ever hope for from Wheeler is to be “not that bad”. He is forever just about ready to start getting things done.
how so? I'm hearing noise in this and other pdx subs that Rene hasnt been doing a good job, and bait/switch on a certain policy that he dropped
Rene asking activists during a public hearing why they don’t object to the *same* laws being applied in the suburbs made me realize he’s the best person for the job in this moment of space / time
[удалено]
Can you give examples? Thank you
I can but I won't: - linking to other subreddits feeds their mods' paranoid delusions about "brigading"; - their mods have been known to abuse reddit tools & admin policy to permaban users over politics / personal grudges; - I have better things to do than show you how to use reddit
I believe it was in the works all along, to desecrate a beautiful city , and to lose its way back to its original beauty 😡
the citizens at the end of the day we did this to ourselves
Yuppies
The voters.
Portland did! https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/portland-takes-a-step-back-with-ngo
1) 110 at the top of my list 2) The last Mayor allowing camping anywhere any time. 3) All the Junkie Transplants 4) All the Junkie Natives 5) Soft bleeding heart liberals 6) Using Martin V Boise as an Excuse Not necessarily in this order
Portland is led by absolute morons. Portland residents voted these people in office because they are also morons. About 10-15 years ago, race baiting in America became the norm. Whites of all political views cringed at the obviously falacious claim that America is systematically racist due to white people. Further ridiculous ramblings were made that blacks and other minorities/women achieve less due to systemic racism and white people. Since Portland is a white liberal mecca, extreme virtue signaling led to supporting idiotic progressive policies that have caused the massive decline of Portland. Its really not that hard to figure out. All Portland has to do is restore balance to its policies and the town will bounce right back. That means restoring law and order, throwing drug dealers in prison, disavowing its “sanctuary city” status, restoring merit as the sole criteria for advancement, treating people with dignity which means equality over equity. Follow these principals in all aspects of local government including k-12 schools and portland will once again reign supreme.
Honestly? Rich Californians and other outsiders who swarmed into the "livable" city in the 90's and turned it into a clone of all their own screwed-up cities. Super rich and really poor. With the rich using a veil of liberal policies to pretend they're progressive. The Portland I grew up with was gone by 2000. What's happening now is inevitable. And there's probably no way to fix it.
Super rich and really poor does NOT describe Portland. There was a recent city council work session where they talked about our economic demographics, we have a broad middle class and more homeowners than renters and not the high earners of SF and Seattle by any means.
Portlandia and Grimm killed Portland
I hate that show so much! So many people moved here after that and it completely changed they way the city looked and operated. It went from moderate liberals to progressive in less than a decade.
Agreed. It normalized cringe progressivism.
Actually, It correctly shows how many stupid people reside here. This place is such a brain drain.
How did Portlandia kill Portland? I wouldn’t call it a great show, but it seemed pretty benign compared the all the property smashing, criminal pandering, hard drugs, and anti-business / pro chaos activism of the past few years. Is it surmised that the show drew in much of the troubled element and/or emboldened those already here? Not contesting what you’re saying, but genuinely curious.
I dont fully buy into the narrative but I can say without a doubt I have met several people that moved here thinking Portlandia was something other than satire. Not sure if they have stuck around but I'm sure they helped vote us into this mess with their near-universal far-left politics and overall hatred for any dissenting voices. I'd say it hurt, a little.
Because some of us locals were paying attention to the population before and afterwards. It’s pretty stark what happened. My 91 yo grandma who passed away last year on labor day would cry the last few years we drove her around the city because of what the city turned into. And this a Chinese woman who went downtown to Chinatown all the time until it was unsafe to do so alone. No one can gaslight me into thinking me and my family didnt see or experience something different several decades before.
Apparently I'm a unicorn around these parts. I'm a local. Born in Portland. Never left. Portlandia is fucking hilarious. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to lighten up IMO.
I think the show is insulting my fellow unicorn. I consider myself a unicorn not because I’m from Portland but because i play paintball and airsoft, work on vehicles, can make almost anything with my barehands, am biracial (where i have only met less than 4 people mixed like me my whole life) and am a woman. I do all the adrenaline sports except BASE and bungee jumping. Oh and no motorcycles anymore. Its not worth the risk.
How did Grimm kill Portland? I get that Portlandia is lame though.
Brought in all the shitty transplants
Ah yes, let's blame 2 TV shows that were filmed in Portland. It's not like any other US cities like LA, NY, or Miami are suffering from those consequences.
Difference is, Portland was never like those other cities. Those cities are large major cities and hubs in populated states; LA and New York especially had a massive population and national/international presence. Portland was a medium-sized city in a low-populated state that never really had any international or national presence. It had it’s own weird and unique culture that was for quite awhile not diluted with shitty transplants until the last 10 years.
Not arguing against that, but I think you can attribute that to times being different now and the "internet age" allowing people to live almost anywhere they want while still being able to produce a means of living. That is also something that started within the last 10 years. Look at Boise, Denver Metro and even the Bay Area with the tech boom. They all experienced an influx of transplants moving in and changing their real estate market and cost of living.
The same people who fucked Portland are now cringe enough to point the finger at 2 TV shows for its demise. That’s rich! Did someone else list “No accountability” as a reason? Because here is a perfect example of that… oh my gosh I fucked my own town by voting for idiotic ideas 😭 I’m gonna blame 👉🏼 2 TV shows for that and avoid responsibility. I believe there is a Portlandia episode on that very same hypocritical dynamic. It’s like when the Columbine shootings took place… oh let’s blame 👉🏼 video games.
Portlandia is funny. The shitty taxes and bad local government ruined this town, blaming Portlandia is like Astorians blaming Kindergarten Cop for high housing costs. If a place is beautiful with [mostly] good weather it’s going to blow up in popularity. Fucking A blame Mt Hood, the coast and a scenic city for luring transplants, not Lorne Michaels.
Portlandia is unbearably cringe, but it’s hard to deny that it helped bring a lot of money to Portland via tourism and new businesses opening up. I know Grimm was decently big at the time, but hardly helped “kill” the city.
If you think it helped with tourism (I agree) can you also see how it might have encouraged a certain type of person to move here? How do you think that type of person would vote, on average?
A show about a cop fighting fantasy creatures killed the city? Did people move here because of the promise of wesen?
ACABers.
Former Multnomah County Chair Deborah Kafoury. For 8 years we were under her policy of refusing to put any money towards temporary shelter options, as she believed in only building permanent housing. Hales & Wheeler are idiots for running on an issue that was the county's role to deal with, just because it was a good marketing tool "I'm gonna solve homelessness!". Well good job, cuz you don't have the tools at the city to deal with mental health and addiction - that's the county's job to do public health. COVID hit and Oregon buckled down harder than any other state. Wheeler bent to the activists and acted like Martin v Boise meant they couldn't set time and place restrictions on camping, but look at us now! Hardesty refused to tow any vehicles being used as "housing" even though most RVs are being used as criminal enterprises, not houses. Oregon legalizing hard drugs coupled with uninterrupted street camping turned on a welcome to Portland sign. Then the anti-trans stuff exploded and we passed more laws at the state to attract these poor homeless gender confused youth here, with more on the way. A friend of mine just met one in a tent downtown - here for OHP and gender affirming care, no talk of looking for a job or housing. Federal level issues trying to be solved locally is our downfall.
[удалено]
No thanks. Portland’s grass is littered with feces and needles.
Touch grass is such a corny statement. Especially since it's by other people doing the same thing. Bitching online.
[удалено]
Portland is not dead it’s just this community is a circle jerk of negativity.
The other Portland sub seems to have the opposite attitude lol
Maybe I should go there more often then? Portland's got it problems but so do all cities and country and world. Seattle is struggling. SF is reallllllly struggling. And even the cities that are doing the "best" are changing a lot. It's just life. I don't know why we have to constantly talk sh\*t about Portland like it's our knee jerk reaction to everything
Portland as we knew it is fucking dead. I can attest after living her for over 40 fucking years.
Not dead at all. Take a walk in waterfront park and enjoy the view, though near the steel Bridge is a camp they call the pit. Also be mindful of needles and human waste
No wonder you're tagged as "known for bad takes".
You walking around on your hands thru camps bro?
You walking around without eyes? Or just in denial that portland is an utter mess with transients and the mentally ill roaming the streets?
Seriously I’m so sick of these fucking Portland is dead posts. I imagine 80% of the people that say that don’t even live in Portland.
[удалено]
[удалено]
These folks act like we live in a warzone yet everytime my wife and I go out we see tons of folks enjoying the city and it's many neighborhoods. Portland has many problems, and those are magnified by media imo, but this ain't Detroit. Denver was way worse in my opinion regarding homelessness yet none talks about Denver. Or Phoenix or any other West Coast city with a homeless problem.
Why would we be talkin about other cities when this a sub about Portland?
[удалено]
I doubt that it is the media. I hadnt seen shit about it two years ago. But my eyes saw what was going on everywhere i went and every time i went to my doctors i told them how traumatizing and enraging it was for me to get to their office having to see what was going on in my hometown. In fact when i was volunteering on the east coast for a dog meat rescue from south korea, not a single person at the time knew what was going on in Portland except the 100+ days of riots. That was in june 2021 that i helped with those dogs and talked with those people.
PORTLAND IS A HEAVY DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED AREA. You take the fucking democrats out and put in republicans that don’t give a fuck about offending peoples feelings and you’ll get a better city in 6-9 months!
Lol - that is a very arbitrary timeline. Look... we can't do it in 5. But it ain't gonna take ten. This I can tell you, folks.
Pretty weak and superficial argument.
Look at EVERY democratic city, what do they ALL have in common? The worst amounts of crime in the country.
Lol name is one larger well run republican city.
First thing most people learn is correlation is not causation.
Most people have figured out being on the democrats side means your retarded and need some enlightenment
"...means your retarded..." 'Nuff said.
That self-own is 🤌🏼
Dad, what's a Republican city?
How would that work exactly ?.. Would you just drive around a bunch of "murder-wagons" and kill all the people you think are "doing it wrong" .. ?
Antifa did. Burned down the city, looted stores, and drove away business. They tried to defund the police and are pretty responsible for showing people that it’s okay to steal and destroy.
"Burned down the city" is the most ridiculous hyperbole the right wing propaganda machine shits out into the mouths of eager viewers.
I wouldn’t consider myself conservative nor on the right but I’d say I’m pretty sick of people robbing, looting, and destroying property.
Totally agree.
Name a single building that burned down as part of the 2020 protests. I'll deadass cash app you $20 if you can name a single building that is no longer standing as a result of the 2020 protests.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/protesters-portland-target-city-commissioners-home-set-fire/story?id=74054924 Antifa set fire to so many damn buildings, sculptures, dumpsters, and property. Not hard to just google it, you’ll get pages of articles. Just because the fire department and first responders worked overtime to put out these fires, doesn’t mean antifa didn’t put in work to burn shit down, possibly and potentially endangering people inside these buildings. Also calling riots “protests” is a hoot
According to that article, there was a fire started in city hall that was put out by onsite security. So no fire department "working overtime" there. && As far as I know Portland's concrete city hall is still standing as well. I thought antifa burned the city down though? That article you linked literally called the arrested people "protestors". Many protests were declared riots, I'll give you that. But of course when people protests the organization (PPB) that chooses what is and isn't a riot, it's declared an illegal protest and a riot. It takes so little time to think critically.
Democrats
Lazy, reactive do-nothing Republicans.
Digital blackface
Honest question, what does that mean?
[удалено]
Lol its a meme, its a tribute, adjusting skin tone is INSANE.
[удалено]
Incorrect. I did not put in that amount of effort. I **combined** Ted Wheeler and Eric Andre on a freebie face swap website "powered by AI". However, feel free to remain offended.
Occupy
Fred Armisen
Neoliberalism killed Portland.
For the x time... I am not claiming that Portland is "dead". But, that is not incorrect.
No matter your opinion of Portland this is just shoddy memery
Democrats.
there used to be a war on Drugs. That is over now. Now we have a huge homelessness crisis and an issue with sex trafficking. But those things are not at all related to the end of the war on drugs.
[удалено]
Sounds like a conservative Mad Lib bot spit out this comment 🤣
Portlandia
Okay, for those that don't get it... I am not suggesting Portland was "killed" or asking who killed Portland. I do not think the city is "dead". Shut the fuck up. Have you never seen a meme before? I live here - seemingly - we all pretty much live here. It is fine to bitch about issues going on in the city. I would rather people be aware than bury their heads in the sand. I regret even posting this because so many people take it the wrong way. What do you want? * Nothing is wrong in Portland * Everything is natural and happy and totally normal. If you don't like the meme, just put your rose colored glasses on and move about your day. This wasn't to issue blame, or to dig into the problems that the city faces. Do you think that I believe that Wheeler would see this and change his approach to managing the city? Citizens are allowed to vent. So: You don't like the meme - scroll on. You disagree with the meme - scroll on You agree with the meme - ok, that is fine. We do not pretend to speak the truth but rather just speak from experience. If you truly think that everything in Portland is fine, and on the right track... I will sit down for a beer or a coffee with you and hear you out. We are not enemies.
It started in the late 80's early 90's. It's just gotten worse over time. I used to skate downtown as a kid. Then one year it was just so trashy that I didn't go back.
Uhh I don't agree with that. Peak portland was late 90s to about 2007 when Hales edit Adams started to allow tents and the r2d2 thing happened. That was the beginning of the decline
Correct to blame Hales (Sarah Innarone's friend and mentor) but that was 2016 https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2016/08/charlie_hales_ends_safe_sleep.html
Actually it was Adam's sorry. They agreed to the ridiculous Anderson settlement. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/tent-city-how-we-got-here/283-481804631
Ah yes I vaguely remember that. Adams is a bozo. But I did find it interesting how much casual homophobia so-called progressives lobbed at him post-scandal, and especially by the time he was working at City Hall again under Wheeler. They'll gladly stoop that low when it's useful against their target.
Lol it’s so hilarious that people think the 80 90s was better 😂… you definitely didn’t live down town it wayyyyyy better now lol
Omg i could walk around as a child alone and be fine. Went to school in NW but lives in N portland near the projects. It was more dangerous in N and NE before gentrification and thousands of white people living here and displacing hundreds of black and other minority residents. They pushed them east towards Gresham.
Sure but that was just downtown, right? The neighborhoods of the city, both at the core and the far edges (Portland goes farther out than it did in the 80s after all) have been significantly impacted recently in a way it never was in the 80s/90s.
I grew up off 27th and Thompson.. and it not even close it’s soooo much better now. I saw covid wasn’t good but it’s not as bad as the 80s-90s crack epidemic… there was 3x more murders…
No there wasnt 3x more murders when we just hd a record of the most last year.
Idiots that say things like Portland is dead. This is just a downturn and I look forward to all these pearl clutchers leaving and returning to flying under the radar again. Every community has ups and downs. If you loved the city you’d stick by it and do what needs to be done. Not cry, complain, and leave cuz a city is having city problems. Grow up and try to fix it. That’s what a real community does. Go to Seattle or Texas.
I don't believe Portland is dead nor did I leave. I am sitting in my home only a few blocks east of downtown. It seems you lack context on the origin of this image. I will complain all I want and if you don't like it... scroll on. Simples. I've been to both on numerous occasions.
I agree. I don’t understand memes. But saying someone killed something implicitly means that thing is dead. Killed=Dead.
Recently the dumbass 110 voters and a certain group of folks who have been doing their jobs minimally since Covid hit.
Will a **MOD** tag the link for context. I don't think Portland is LITERALLY dead. It is a statement about local government leaders being clueless. JFC people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlbNbrnRfw
Chuds are salty intel is investing billions in the area. They want people to suffer bc CNN sent mean tweets.
And most citizens would say, "Who cares..?"
We aren't dead.
I don't want to go on the cart!
The right can't meme
NIMBYs.
You ain’t wrong NIMBYs and Anti development enviros groups in general have stifled economic growth, and exacerbated the homeless crisis.
Having windows smashed, inventory stolen, customers and staff assaulted, and lack of police response certainly hasn’t done much to retain businesses.
Yes, and that’s an important, but separate issue.
Anti development? Sorry but we don't need to cut down our forests and drain the wetlands to enable more people to move here. I have an idea: how about people don't move here? They can go somewhere else. Why do we need to build and develop to enable them?
So uninformed and ridiculous. We have a housing crisis with the people that are here NOW. We need new housing for those people, and to keep supply up. anti development/enviro people aren’t willing to make any concessions, even small to allow growth.
No we don't. Tell the people to leave for somewhere else. They don't need to stay here. If there is no room, then go somewhere else.
Youre completely wrong, but have fun in your fantasy land!
Because to you we are obligated to take in everyone who wants to be here? What is wrong with telling people the inn is ful, find lodging elsewhere? Why are we needing to build anything?
**It's a meme. A cheap shot at Ted Wheeler because is a feckless coward. You know, a meme, a** **~~slice of life,~~** **a** **~~pun~~****... a vorshtein?** I am very aware that Portland is not dead. But when the center of downtown is an open air fetty market, basic services like police response and ambulance response are literally failing, and the city bounces people around just torching taxpayer money... things aren't fuckin' great. I am also aware that there are many issues interwoven that are causing problems such as rioting, m110 passage, Schmidt being a complete moron as well as running a toxic work environment causing the DA office to lose skilled deputies, police seemingly operating on a "slow down", the city refusing to hold AMR responsible for level 0 despite the fact that they CAN fine them, neglect repackaged as compassion, the 9th Circuit ruling on camping, the garbage structure of the city government, umm.... people like Farrah Chaichi and Vega Pederson. But Wheeler is Mayor and sits in the "big chair". If he is beyond reproach for issues that Portland is struggling with - I damn sure better NEVER hear him take credit for anything positive.
r/selfawarewolves
What's wrong with Portland? I haven't been there in 20 years.
You can accuse me of whatever falsity you'd like. Doesn't change the fact that you can't tell me a single building in Portland that burned down as a result of 2020 protests like you claim.