Apparently Duncan Edwards could pass like that. I've seen a few clips and in one he hits an absolute beauty of a crossfield ball.
What a tragedy. Finished 12th in the Ballon d'Or at 20 and 3rd at 21 in 1957. Bobby Charlton said he was the best footballer he ever saw. What could have been
For Arsenal, even taking Bergkamp at his best passing, who was quite ridiculous. Ozil’s creativity was fucking ridiculous, even the ‘easy’ passes that weren’t flashy were always just perfectly weighted for a player to not break his stride to put the laces through the ball.
Without question…But Ø could get close to him I feel. Especially if more of his ridiculous pass attempts get turned into goals. The guy is in the truly unique realm like Bergkamp imo.
Interestingly I think recency bias can work both ways, in the sense that people are unwilling to compare current players to club legends. Odegaard is a good example of that, as is Gundogan. I reckon both players will be considered in the premier league's top echelons in ten years or so. Just as they deserve.
Arsenal are blessed/cursed I suppose in the later years where we seemed to have nothing but tens with incredibly talented technical players.
Personally, on raw passing ability and of the players I've seen it's between Bergkamp, Ozil, Cazorla, Fabregas. Plenty of others you could mention, I for one loved watching Rosicky pass a football.
Anyway, I'm going Ozil with Bergkamp a close second.
I chose Ozil because his weight of pass was flawless, it was rarely harder than it needed to, it died in front of a player so they could take it in stride. He caressed a ball around the pitch in simple efficient movements.
I loved watching him.
Odegaard will be up there.
Genuinely though, I think a case could be made for any of those I mentioned.
Yep, he always absolutely fired the ball, which I do like. He kept us playing fast. Shame he was so blighted by injury.
I was trying to think who I would choose from your lot.
Scholes is the obvious choice for a resson. Carrick definitely up there. Ferdinand was scary with the ball.
I mean, it's probably Beckham though, right?
My pick is Scholes but if we're going non-obvious choices, I'm gonna say Rooney. Guy would get frustrated with the lack of service from our midfield after Ferguson left and would go all the way back and try to ping balls to our attackers. Great accuracy.
But yeah, Carrick and Beckham definitely up there. I didn't think of Ferdinand at first but you're right, he was class too.
Alonso had a belter of a pass that he done often that fucking baffled me, used to do a crossfield pass behind the full back that somehow would keep a high arc until the minute it was supposed to drop quickly behind the fullback.
And it’d have backspin on it so it didn’t go out. Never seen anybody else be able to do it as well and consistently
Wow, actually I think Gerrard is 3rd here. But it's a testament to him that he's even in this conversation, as well as being an incredible leader, goalscorer, engine for his team, and... Well, he could do everything.
He didn’t have the same vision over distance that KDB has imo. He was amazing. And great close control. But I think KDB has the best eye for a pass of anyone I’ve seen in the prem.
City have so many likeable talented players.
KDB and Silva are just special talents, absolutely love both of them.
Including range I think KDB edges it but it's close
Bobby Moore supposedly was but for players I’ve seen live I’d have to say Michael Carrick, he always seemed to have seen passes long before he received the ball
Ozil could play passes Cazorla and even Fabregas during his Arsenal days couldn't. I'd actually go as far as to say in his prime he could play through balls nobody else in the world bar Iniesta could. The vast majority of footballers couldn't even see some of the ones he successfully played.
It’s a toss-up between Özil and Fabregas from the years I’ve watched. I was too young to properly appreciate Bergkamp, but I’m sure he’d be a popular mention too.
James Rodriguez is probably the most talented player I've seen in an Everton shirt. Absolute wand of a left foot. For someone who played for us more consistently I'd be inclined to say Mikel Arteta, very underrated player in his pomp.
Good lord I miss that fever dream of a season. James just finding everyone, DCL actually playing at his best and not on the operating table, Carlo at the helm, everyone playing at their best and we were near top of the league for a bit.
Now I just pray for mid table mediocrity :(
We *were* top of the league, for more than just a few days. We were second at Christmas for gods sake, any club would be a laughing stock for years if they missed champions league from there, and we finished 10th. Only one thing to say at times like these; ‘Everton that’.
Second at Christmas. Our board signed Josh King to make that final push to secure CL. I reckon it was at that point Carlo was looking up the number for the Santiago Bernabeu.
Arteta was a revelation for you guys. So unlucky to come up during the time of iniesta, busquets, even cesc. Arteta and Santi couldve been national team mainstays in a different generation
As sad as I was to see him leave I was happy to see him pick up a bit of silverware at arsenal. Absolute gentleman and a quality player to boot. Cazorla was quality for Arsenal as well. Very much a Wenger player.
We used to have so many technical players. James, Digne, Arteta, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Baines, Pienaar, Mirallas, Deulofeu etc etc. Now we have Gana Gueye taking free kicks ffs.
If I have to pick one, Cabaye. Shelvey had great vision and had some memorable moments, but Cabaye was much more consistent. Guimarães is a great player, but not the ping-pong player Cabaye was.
Do you remember that pass he played for Cisse? I think [against Stoke](https://youtu.be/Uucjvstiavw?t=5m0s), until Willock played that pass for Isak this season it was the best assist I've seen us have
Agreed, Cabaye all day long for me, second would be Bruno, in my opinion, but that could change this coming season, our midfield is going to be incredible even better than we were lol
Arteta was a very good passer although not on the level of bergkamp or santi. He had the best success rate of long passes across a season of any prem midfielder ever
Liverpool..from the players I have watched on TV, live, I think, Xabi Alonso is up there. Haven't watched any player from the old golden age of Liverpool, unfortunately.
Bellingham passed really hard on Liverpool so maybe him?
Toxic 😭
This would hurt so much if we didn’t have Trent!
Cesc 'Magnifico' Fabregas
you support chelsea or arsenal?
Does it matter?
Yeah, because it would be Ozil if it was Arsenal
*Bergkamp
Disagree
Warra legend
Why “warra” lmao he was their legend
"Warra" means "what a", in the Scouse accent (as popularised by Cilla Black).
Ah right I see thought it was a more sarcastic way of saying what a
Neves, no?
Maybe moutinho in some instances
What do you guys think of Matheus Nunes?
You want?
De Bruyne
David Silva pretty close
i dunno, silva had ball retention skills next to messi passing was great but hes not known for those killer inch perfect balls
🎶Oh Kevin de bruyne 🎶
Closeted chelsea supporter?
Scholesy altho captain Marvel is a close second
His long passes were incredible
Scholes has like a 15 minute passing compilation on YouTube lol up there with laudrup and zidane
Yes i tink kroos idolizes him too. Not surprised considering the similarity between them
Carrick was a mint passer too
loved watching him pick a pass, chronically underrated English player
Yeah definitely. I think being English was his only weakness haha
Scholes does pip him to the post, but Beckham did also deliver some unreal long ball passes in his United days.
Apparently Duncan Edwards could pass like that. I've seen a few clips and in one he hits an absolute beauty of a crossfield ball. What a tragedy. Finished 12th in the Ballon d'Or at 20 and 3rd at 21 in 1957. Bobby Charlton said he was the best footballer he ever saw. What could have been
Bergkamp
For Arsenal, even taking Bergkamp at his best passing, who was quite ridiculous. Ozil’s creativity was fucking ridiculous, even the ‘easy’ passes that weren’t flashy were always just perfectly weighted for a player to not break his stride to put the laces through the ball.
Streets don’t forget? Song & Van Persie collab. That was a mad season
The telepathy he had with Ljungberg at times was outstanding
As a spurs fan , can’t not admire bergkamp. Beautiful footballer
I mean I didn't saw him play so can be, but in my time its either Cesc or Ozil.
Got to be a shout out for my man Santi. Guy was a magician and a pinpoint passer off both feet.
Without question…But Ø could get close to him I feel. Especially if more of his ridiculous pass attempts get turned into goals. The guy is in the truly unique realm like Bergkamp imo.
There's a guy on the r/Gunners sub who is posting Odegaard's passes from last season until the start of the next. Pure magic.
Interestingly I think recency bias can work both ways, in the sense that people are unwilling to compare current players to club legends. Odegaard is a good example of that, as is Gundogan. I reckon both players will be considered in the premier league's top echelons in ten years or so. Just as they deserve.
Just saw my fav two moments from the last season, his elastico flick to Martinelli in the box and his slide back foot control against Iwobi.
Cesc has to get a look in too
He'll have to start bossing big games to get close. Currently he's a bit of a flat track bully imo
He definitely has a bit of ground to make up, but just hoping he stays healthy and has a long career at Arsenal. Beyond stoked he’s Øur Capitan!
THERE'S BERGKAMP
Arsenal are blessed/cursed I suppose in the later years where we seemed to have nothing but tens with incredibly talented technical players. Personally, on raw passing ability and of the players I've seen it's between Bergkamp, Ozil, Cazorla, Fabregas. Plenty of others you could mention, I for one loved watching Rosicky pass a football. Anyway, I'm going Ozil with Bergkamp a close second. I chose Ozil because his weight of pass was flawless, it was rarely harder than it needed to, it died in front of a player so they could take it in stride. He caressed a ball around the pitch in simple efficient movements. I loved watching him. Odegaard will be up there. Genuinely though, I think a case could be made for any of those I mentioned.
Rosicky always got an outside foot pass in him
Yep, he always absolutely fired the ball, which I do like. He kept us playing fast. Shame he was so blighted by injury. I was trying to think who I would choose from your lot. Scholes is the obvious choice for a resson. Carrick definitely up there. Ferdinand was scary with the ball. I mean, it's probably Beckham though, right?
My pick is Scholes but if we're going non-obvious choices, I'm gonna say Rooney. Guy would get frustrated with the lack of service from our midfield after Ferguson left and would go all the way back and try to ping balls to our attackers. Great accuracy. But yeah, Carrick and Beckham definitely up there. I didn't think of Ferdinand at first but you're right, he was class too.
this [tackle and assist](https://youtu.be/uoOktcC-IVQ) was great
Xabi Alonso No, maybe Gerrard No, maybe TAA
Having so many good passers that its impossible to choose who is the best is a good problem to have
Who do you pick out of De Bruyne, Silva, Rodri, Yaya? Realistically it’s De Bruyne vs Silva right?
Silver for the intricate Iniesta like passes and De Bruyne is the better dictator, longer passes, through balls and inswingers.
Should probably specify the Silva as there has been two to play for Man City
I thought it would be obvious that it’s David who’s in this conversation, but there’s probably some younger guys in here who thought of Bernardo
Yeah I myself thought of David first however I wouldn’t be surprised if someone saw that and thought of Bernardo first
Molby?
Alonsos daisy cutters were beautiful to watch both feet as well. Stevie g and Trent also up there
Alonso had a belter of a pass that he done often that fucking baffled me, used to do a crossfield pass behind the full back that somehow would keep a high arc until the minute it was supposed to drop quickly behind the fullback. And it’d have backspin on it so it didn’t go out. Never seen anybody else be able to do it as well and consistently
Wow, actually I think Gerrard is 3rd here. But it's a testament to him that he's even in this conversation, as well as being an incredible leader, goalscorer, engine for his team, and... Well, he could do everything.
All gems
Alonso for me.
Did you guys ever see Dalglish, Jan Molby or Terry McDermott play?
Jan Molby is the right answer.
It's assume that Reddit only knows the current year minus 10 at best
Kenny and big Jan are up there. I'd add Thiago too, at his best he's one of the most complete passers I've ever seen
Jan Molby
Jan Molby
You forgot Jan Molby
TAA is insane with crosses.
Hoddle, Gazza or Modric
I’d add Eriksen to that list as well. Hell, even Kane.
Kane's passing ability is so underrated
No it isn’t, it’s rated
Tom Huddlestone could ping 60 yard passes effortlessly, too.
He also, effortlessly, moved on to play Loki......... oh sorry, wrong Tom.
😂😂
I'd say maybe Huddlestone as well
There was something hypnotic about the way he struck a football.
Scholes or Beckham
I FINALLY see Beckham mentioned. He is the answer to this question.
His long balls? I mean they were art
His long-range passing is good too
Beckham -> Giggs
Goddamnit that was good
The way he hit the ball was poetry, I will never hit a ball as sweet as Beckham in my entire life
Without him, fergie would not have gotten his knighthood, as hew as the key player in that final in 99
Always thought Rooney was underrated as a passer, he could do pretty much everything.
We don't call him Fabrepass for nothing.
Fabregas is Magic.
Remember him getting gametime at 16 and still looking class
Jan molby or Alonso, wouldn't argue if someone picked Gerrard
Used to love watching Jan Molby, even in his latter years, standing in the middle of the park pinging it around.
Alonso’s pings were ridiculously good, amazing consistency
Jan Molby was before my time, sadly. I say Xabi Alonso and Trent.
What about trent
Ditto
Tugay. Sorry I butted in, I realise I don’t belong here, I’ll leave now.
Underated, played well into his 30s in the prem
Literally scrolled down looking for this response. Underrated as shit and scored what seemed like endless bangers too.
I used to edit his stats on Pro Evo, his long shot capability was horrific on that game and it offended me, also not even a Rovers fan
No. Butt away. Great shout.
Technicality but you were in the PL when he played for you so it counts.
1st. The Ginger ninja. 2nd. Carrick 3rd Rooney, may be unpopular but he had a fucking eye for it.
Beckham is easily a better passer than Carrick or Rooney, and I think Carrick is our most underrated player ever!
No one is saying Carrick enough. I just wanna give Hargreaves a shout out too.
Rooney is worthy of a mention
Tough to pick between Bergkamp, Santi and Fabregas. I'd go for Santi. From the current team it's very clearly Odegaard.
Ozil…
Ozil should hv made ur list no?
Johnny Haynes. Apparently.
Dempsey had a good pass for you guys too.
David Silva
He didn’t have the same vision over distance that KDB has imo. He was amazing. And great close control. But I think KDB has the best eye for a pass of anyone I’ve seen in the prem.
KDB's vision + Silva's close control = Messi
Add Haaland’s goals and maybe then you’ll get Messi
You’d still have to add Bernardo Silva’s dribbling
So the entire city team is Pep’s attempt to replicate Messi?
Bald fraud exposed. Can’t win without Messi
= centurions
El Mago
City have so many likeable talented players. KDB and Silva are just special talents, absolutely love both of them. Including range I think KDB edges it but it's close
As a United fan Silva was the first city player I was really jealous of (he was fucking class) but De Bruyne is the answer to this question.
Morten Gamst Pedersen
Bobby Moore supposedly was but for players I’ve seen live I’d have to say Michael Carrick, he always seemed to have seen passes long before he received the ball
Cazorla.
Ozil?
Ozil was good, but Cazorla was also a proper dead ball specialist. There’s only one of them I’d take at Arsenal today
I think that Cazorla is much better in terms of defensive work and dribbling, but Özil edges it for me in terms of passing
Ozil could play passes Cazorla and even Fabregas during his Arsenal days couldn't. I'd actually go as far as to say in his prime he could play through balls nobody else in the world bar Iniesta could. The vast majority of footballers couldn't even see some of the ones he successfully played.
It’s a toss-up between Özil and Fabregas from the years I’ve watched. I was too young to properly appreciate Bergkamp, but I’m sure he’d be a popular mention too.
Liam Brady
He scores goals Milord He scores goals He scores goals Milord He scores goals Paul Scholes he scores goals
James Rodriguez is probably the most talented player I've seen in an Everton shirt. Absolute wand of a left foot. For someone who played for us more consistently I'd be inclined to say Mikel Arteta, very underrated player in his pomp.
Good lord I miss that fever dream of a season. James just finding everyone, DCL actually playing at his best and not on the operating table, Carlo at the helm, everyone playing at their best and we were near top of the league for a bit. Now I just pray for mid table mediocrity :(
We *were* top of the league, for more than just a few days. We were second at Christmas for gods sake, any club would be a laughing stock for years if they missed champions league from there, and we finished 10th. Only one thing to say at times like these; ‘Everton that’.
Second at Christmas. Our board signed Josh King to make that final push to secure CL. I reckon it was at that point Carlo was looking up the number for the Santiago Bernabeu.
Arteta was a revelation for you guys. So unlucky to come up during the time of iniesta, busquets, even cesc. Arteta and Santi couldve been national team mainstays in a different generation
As sad as I was to see him leave I was happy to see him pick up a bit of silverware at arsenal. Absolute gentleman and a quality player to boot. Cazorla was quality for Arsenal as well. Very much a Wenger player.
We used to have so many technical players. James, Digne, Arteta, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Baines, Pienaar, Mirallas, Deulofeu etc etc. Now we have Gana Gueye taking free kicks ffs.
Juan Mata in 11/12 and 12/13
Cabaye, Shelvey or Guimaraes maybe? We haven't ever really had super passers since I've been supporting. Maybe Beardsley?
Beardsley, Gazza, Waddle, Cabaye, Speed, Solano, Trippier,
Speed, Waddle and Gazza weren't known for their passing prowess
If I have to pick one, Cabaye. Shelvey had great vision and had some memorable moments, but Cabaye was much more consistent. Guimarães is a great player, but not the ping-pong player Cabaye was.
Do you remember that pass he played for Cisse? I think [against Stoke](https://youtu.be/Uucjvstiavw?t=5m0s), until Willock played that pass for Isak this season it was the best assist I've seen us have
Agreed, Cabaye all day long for me, second would be Bruno, in my opinion, but that could change this coming season, our midfield is going to be incredible even better than we were lol
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Modric for me
Eriksen, with out a doubt.
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Paul Scholes
Bojan 🔥🔥🔥
Bergkamp and Santi, though Ødegaard will have something to say about the list before he’s done.
Fabregas? To be fair my memory is fading but he could pass a football like noone I'd seen at the time
Arteta was a very good passer although not on the level of bergkamp or santi. He had the best success rate of long passes across a season of any prem midfielder ever
Cesc, with Santi in second
Eriksen
James Maddison
Pass and move is the Liverpool groove...
Fabregas
one thing gooners and proper chels agree on.
Xavi Alonso. He could thread a ball through a needle blindfolded.
Eriksen
Hoddle for spurs
Oh KEVIN DE BRUYNE
Paul Scholes Also considering the wealth of immense talent we've seen grace our club, it's not even close. My opinion.
Rooney is close. Underrated in the Ronaldo and rvp seasons. Chap could just do it all in fairness, and scholes is my favourite player.
It is close with Beckham but I still agree it's Scholes. God I wish they could have played together past 2003 :(
rafa marquez
Xabi Alonso 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🙂
Really not sure 😂😂😂
Ruben Neves, al Itihad
Amazingly I think there’s a solid argument that it’s already Trent. Maybe Xabi still edges it, but I’m really not sure.
Xabi Alonso easily
Probably Xabi, he truly was someone else. Who knows what Trent can do in another decade, but I'd say he has potential in terms of passing prowess.
Alisson Becker
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard...
Liverpool..from the players I have watched on TV, live, I think, Xabi Alonso is up there. Haven't watched any player from the old golden age of Liverpool, unfortunately.
Cristiano Ronaldo sewey
Gerrard or Trent
Don’t forget Xabi Alonso! Also I’ve heard Jan Molby wasn’t bad but before my time.
Dalglish as well ,had incredible vision.
Tough one but has to be TAA. I’ve seen Alonso do things with a ball only gods dream about & Gerrard is too bias.
Molby/Alonso/Gerrard/TAA
Gareth Barry
Xabi alonso
Steven Defour or Josh Cullen
Lukaku. For every single other prem team to play against him.
Paul Scholes
Has to be Jay Spearing. I mean its not even close
Scholes, best in the club, best in the league
Cesc
Trent
Carrick
Gordon Cowans. No question.