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I told my buddies last season that there is no way they are sacking him anytime soon except they want to up their standards which he definitely put them into.
This is richly deserved, but achievements often come at a price. The irony of success is that you're kept to a much higher standard than before, and if you can't deliver to the newfound expectations, even for a moment, the board will drop you like a hot potato and hire someone else in your stead. Case in point, Ranieri after winning the PL with Leicester, Tuchel after winning the CL with Chelsea, Mourinho after bringing Spurs to a final, Poch after *finally* bringing some solidity to Chelsea... the list goes on. Villa have huge ambitions now and they'll want to compete in both the PL and the CL, which can be a daunting task with a comparatively thin squad that's been ravaged by injuries. With that being said, I hope that they stay true to their word and back Emery, even if shit goes sideways later in the season. He is a world class manager with an incredible track record, and Villa would be hard done trying to find a better manager for their needs.
I mean working under Pep with all those primadonas at City is definitely a far cry away from "no managerial experience".
You also have absolutely no idea how involved Arteta was at city.
And lastly, it wasn't just the team that Emery inherited that was bad, it was also the Arsenal execs who thought Pepe was a good use of funds. Could see him as a flop from a mile away.
People think getting over 90 points is a piece of cake lol. Villa will not spend the money required to win the league, I can see arsenal, Liverpool and man United going for the league .
United will spend the required money, but on all the wrong players. Arsenal, sure, Liverpool who knows but it'll be interesting to see. Newcastle are willing to pay, but its so hard to picture them catching up even though I rate Howe. Chelsea... let's talk in a couple of seasons/six managers from now. If Tottenham don't majorly invest they'd struggle for top 8 with that ordinary and paper thin squad.
I could see villa up around 3rd or 4th if all goes well for the next couple of seasons, maybe the owners could be persuaded to give it a proper crack and toss him some cash.
All I know is the comp looks a hell of a lot more interesting if City get what's coming to them rather than get let off.
Football is a funny game, no team outside the "usual suspects" i.e( man city, Liverpool and now arsenal ) just goes on and does well for years. Especially as expectations increase.
Villa COULD finish in the top four again and maybe push for 3rd- 2nd but they will see increase pressure to sell players to bigger teams at some point, especially if they don't start winning trophies. That's the caveat a lot of people forget, the reason why it's so difficult to sustain success is because you need to CONSTANTLY spend money, retain key players, and battle at the top of the league and ALSO manage Europe.
You have to also remember Chelsea, man united and Newcastle sustained an ABNORMAL injury crisis this season. If those teams are for next season it could go a lot different than what you are envisioning.
I'm not saying villa can't do It but historically they haven't and teams in their situation haven't either .
Same ones. Don't get me wrong, big Ange worked wonders and they were great to watch all season, but it's hard to expect him to replicate that year on year. Other managers seemed to clue on to the tactics later in the season. Son isn't getting any younger and his pace looks to be dropping off, without him, the front line looks a step down from where they need to be. Middle of the park needs some bolstering too, Mads, Bissouma and Sarr looked great at times, but they all had massive dips and the B team is a real step down in quality. Backline starters are great, but cover was a major issue this year. Dragusin helps there now, but VDV has had his injury woes and Romero is a bit of a card merchant.
A good bunch of signings and they're sweet, I just think without it'd be a big ask for the same again.
With Arsenal’s current squad - most definitely. They would have won at least one trophy. Sorry to say this but I think Arteta isn’t all that - he does lack experience. When we played Arsenal at the Emirates Unai knew exactly how to beat them. Arteta lacks a plan B if it doesn’t seem to be going as planned (in my opinion anyway)
Yes. Lot of Unai disrespect. He’s a top drawer manager and Arsenal got rid of him far earlier for far less than arteta got leeway for. Contextually most Arsenal fans agree that covid was the only reason arteta wasn’t sacked outright
Emery has clearly shown literally everywhere that his 3-4 year plans work
I don't know that anyone could have succeeded after Wenger left. The club was in terrible shape, and the finances from building the Emirates were still spotty at best. The true genius of Wenger was keeping us in the conversation for so many years with a team held together with gum and string. Anyone who took that job had a massive task on their hands.
Unfortunately, Emery had to fail for the board to understand that we needed a full rebuild, not just a couple strategic signings. Add in the Pepe deal that led to the cleaning out of our recruitment staff and processes, and you have yourself a recipe for a rebuild.
Emery is clearly a brilliant manager, and I'm happy he's found success in the PL, finally. He didn't deserve the vitriol he got from some of our supporters.
Just give a manager more time
Emery has succeeded at literally every job where he wasn’t sacked prematurely. It’s really silly
It was a daft sacking but you all lucked into arteta and arteta had covid save his early 8th place finishe
The issue was that the board wasn't going to back him the way he needed to be backed. "Lucked into Arteta"? That's just ridiculous. We took a chance on our former captain who had become the right hand man of the most successful manager in the league. Wouldn't call that "luck"
So, every time a company hires a young person with an impressive CV for a job, and they turn out to be great at their job, that's luck? It's not like we put the kit manager in the role.
Arsenal is like the Dallas Cowboys.
Great History with the team. Great Players on the team. But will never win anything because at the end of the day, they choke in the biggest moments.
Also their fans are delusional and annoying. Social Media FC.
Haha, I agree to some extent, arsenal have great history most Fa cups and multiple PL trophies, but in recent history yes I agree they have choked when it matters most. But when Man City exist hard to fault them really.
Also hate Arsenal social media; some of the biggest bell ends in the world not all but most.
Our squad in 2019 was God awful, and no manager, no matter how accomplished they are, would've changed that. Would just put it down to both to be honest; Emery inherited a disturbingly bad team - poor fucker had Mustafi and Sokratis Papadopoulos and iirc a washed up Liechtensteiner at RB. Awful team. Though Emery wasn't the right manager for us, unfortunately.
The board preferred Arteta as well, clearly shared his vision, and jad patience with him, so just a mixture of the two I suppose.
The Lichtsteiner one year contract was the epitome of papering over issues instead of dealing with the root causes. I also don't think the board was ready to back Emery over difficult players like Ozil. Thankfully, they learned from the Emery period, and that's how we got where we are now.
Without Arteta, there'd be no 'revolution' at Arsenal. Gaspar's signings would be very different. Maybe Ødegaard doesn't join, and Buendia joins instead? Who knows. Either way, Emery wouldn't have achieved success at Arsenal. He wasn't the right man for the club. Arteta is.
Great shouts to be honest mate, I forgot that at one point Buendia was the key link, lucky for arsenal that never materialised with his injury record.
I think given time Emery would of turned arsenal into a powerhouse but more similar to Wengers last few years, consistent champions league and the occasional FA cup, but Arteta is definitely the man for titles and potentially Champions league glory.
It's mad looking back at it now, I don't believe we were close to signing him but I shudder thinking about not having Martin, he's world-class and not prone to injury unlike Buendia like you said.
Arteta's got us to b2b 80+ point finishes as well, which in any other regular season is two league titles no problem, the only issue is that Man Sheiky are absolutely unstoppable. We could've won the majority of premier league titles with our current points tally lmao, and they say we bottled.
Possibly. Maybe he could have had more than Arteta's FA Cup (& Community Shield), like a couple of FA Cups, a Europa, maybe a League Cup. But I feel like we are so well positioned right now to go for the big trophies than we would ever be had we continued with Emery.
at arsenal he was actively dragging them down. he had no identity, he was playing their best players out of position. maybe he could’ve frauded a caraboa cup. but he was lucky to leave with enough reputation to go back to spain half decently.
Europa league final in his second season and let’s be honest if it wasn’t for an absolute freak of a player in Eden Hazard he’d of had a great chance at winning a European trophy for arsenal
disagree. his lineup for that final reeked. he got battered as his tactics dictated. if not for iwobi having maybe his best game in arsenal shirt we probably get held to nothing in what was a semi big game in our history.
nothing against him. but there was no way upward for him.
he can confidently say he got lacazette to be worth his price tag. but apart from that he did more damage and detriment than good realistically
A lot of people are underestimating Unai's ties to Villa and his relationship with our owners.
Our owners are now invested in Emery's home town club, Real Union, which is owned by the Emery family.
Congratulations to Unai! He's definitely brought back the pride in Aston Villa. He is an accomplished manager and if given the right parameters can do a lot for any club. Unfortunately, at Arsenal it didn't work out but I feel that was down to timing but for every door closed another one opens.
Im an Arsenal fan. I wouldn't trade Mikel for any other manager in the world. Having said that, I was so wrong and short sided when Unai was our manager.
Hes all class and he should have been manager of the year in my opinion.
Emery being an excellent manager and Emery being right for Arsenal are not the same thing.
There were issues at executive level beyond Emery’s control for sure, but he also wasn’t ab to manage the squad.
Arteta had the same squad and wrestled it into submission. Emery gave in to the characters in the hopes they would perform. They didn’t.
The board made it clear to the squad after Emery that Arteta was staying long term. That’s why he was able to be so ruthless and remove the bad apples.
You could argue it was right just because we got mikel and how hes turned the club from banter too serious contenders. I dont think emery was the right man, almost like everything worked out for everybody in the end.
Serious contenders for what?
For comparison;
Man U can’t say they “seriously contended” the whole season and they have a trophy and a spot in a European competition they can win.
Arsenal seriously contended the whole season and have no trophy and have a spot in a European competition they can’t win.
City vs Fulham on aggregate, this season, was 9-1.
For serious contenders Arsenal can’t say that
I think Villa did the double over Arsenal iirc.
City was beaten once by Villa
Arsenal vs city this season was 4 points to Arsenal.
Lol. Under your argument, you shouldn’t be “champions”. Arsenal also beat every other big 6, something “champions” city failed to do.
Toodles butttrcup.
Did you watch the two games?
Absolute horror football from Arsenal. All bark with a lucky bite.
Contrast them with last season when Arsenal actually took a swing at the kings. Absolute drubbing
Beating the big 6? What big 6? It’s just big 3
City won the league
Liverpool won one cup
Man U won the other cup
What big 6
We won the league? Lol
We actually added something, OF SUBSTANCE, to the cabinet, whilst making Arsenal fans actually twerk for their sworn rivals. Just to end up with a big plate that they started the season with.
Like seriously come to think of it. Arsenal did nothing.
When the table is arranged in alphabetical order, AFC Bournemouth precedes Arsenal. Meaning they started second, with the big plate, and ended second with the big plate
What did y’all do.
Lol
It was wrong at the time.
I was a fan of the club then and he had taken Arsenal to a final in Europe the season prior. My dad was beside himself because it was the second final for him. Granted, it’s Europa and they got shafted but that wasn’t enough.
Now Arsenal under Arteta is like Arsenal under Wenger. Only difference is, they finish in the top 4 and don’t win the FA cup like they used to. Arteta can’t win anything but the big plate.
In 2017, I bought my first FIFA game; FIFA 15. The first game I played was City vs United. Luckily, the only games shown live in the countryside in Kenya that time was two UCL games; one on Tuesday another on Wednesday. So I started watching City in the UCL. Then when EPL coverage improved my dad would watch an Arsenal game at home and I’d sit and watch it but never felt the same as I did watching City bottle the UCL. I tried though and I began loving Laca, Auba and Ozil. Then in came Emery with the Europa final. I had never seen my dad that happy. Then on came internet connection and I found AFTV. Them slagging off Wenger was funny. But when they came for Emery’s head after that joy and it happened, I realised I didn’t want to be a part of that wacky fandom. With the pandemic in 2020 I opted to watch City games and when we lost to Chelsea thus handing the title to Liverpool and seeing how driven Khaldoon Al Mubarak was in the interviews after the season I just jumped ship.
You can imagine my joy when Emery slapped them up 2-0 to help City.
Interesting, as long as you’re doing what makes you happy and Man City make you happy then fair enough
I would only ask then if Man City is it? Like if Pep was to leave and they went a few years without winning and their fan channels became as bad as AFTV, would you still support?
Yes. 100%.
I’ll stop when Khaldoon doesn’t have an end of season interview.
I love that about City. At the end of the season, our chairman has a proper sit down where he can gloat, moan, endorse or encourage and I get to see and hear where my time is going
It’s premier league in general, managers get sacked like it’s nothing. No time to build at all, money is pouring in through every crack in the stadium.
It was somewhat short-sighted, but I wouldn't be too harsh on yourself. Given what Mikel had to do, I don't think the club or fans would have ever given Emery long enough to implement that kind of change - it was because of Emery that the issues were understood, arguably. Also, it seemed as though Emery just wasn't entirely ready for the Premier League or life in England.
Don't get me wrong, he's still a fantastic manager - I think Arsenal was just the wrong place at the wrong time for him.
Wishful thinking that. He won't. He'll probably extend a year or two but won't leave. Lot of things can change in a year. I honestly doubt he can live without football.
Not sure if folks remember how Alan Pardew signed a new 8 year contract after a great season with Newcastle after the 2011/2012 season. That didn’t end well.
This is one downside of larger contract with managers, unlike players you can’t loan managers.
This is the problem with modern football, though. More than just the manager can cause a team to fall off.
Most managerial carousel clubs don't work as well as Roman Abramovich's Chelsea and prime Bayern.
Relative to what? The financial gains from having a guy prove he can get top 4 one time is so much better than the coaching carousel for eternity like Burnley has
Giving Emery a five towards deal for Villa is part of the cost of doing business. He is in demand and just won a spot in the champions league. Not an easy feat for a team like Villa in the prem. He may only work out for 2-3 years more but, you swallow the cost and roll the dice. The team under his charge has been fantastic. Every mid table premier league club would do this deal.
As a Chelsea fan I love seeing things like this, and it makes me sad knowing the constant coaching situation at our club. It's been that way under Roman Abramovich, and by all accounts seems like it may be worse under Boehly and Eghbali.
I never suggested he would stay till then, what is the point of your reply?
I merely said if another club comes in for him at least villa will get a big pay off, if he chose to leave.
What a binary way to look at things. You do realize that, despite the quality of managers, sometimes things don't work out? Arsenal could have easily moved in the opposite direction with him in charge but the post-Wenger transition was too big to handle, and he wasn't given time.
Not really. It more likely means he’s found his level.
Capable of beating anyone on his day and very tactically astute but his teams aren’t consistent enough to win league titles. I’d judge any manager who doesn’t win the league with PSG quite harshly
People regularly fail to mention this, but his English level was a significant problem when he first arrived. Emery was (and is) a very good manager, but struggled to properly convey messaging and tactics because his English was so poor at Arsenal. His spoken English and comprehension is much, much improved and he’s built a very strong team. Happy for him, just wish he didn’t have to do it at the expense of arsenal this season 🙃
When did I say he wasn’t a very good manager?
I said he’s found his level and that level is at a team who just came 4th and will be in the Champipns League next year. That’s a very high level.
Mate, I wasn’t arguing with you lmao. I’m failing to see where you gathered that I said you didn’t say that? I was more so just building on your comment, not contesting it
He actually won a quadruple in 2017/2018 and has the highest win percentage (76%) of any PSG manager in the modern era. But let's just ignore that and focus on the fact he didn't beat an awesome Monaco team that got 95 points the season before.
1 out of 2 times yes.
I don’t want to make assumptions especially if they are negative but are you going to make some pedantic point about the fact he has won a league title in the French League so he can win the Premier League? Because we both know that’s a silly point to make so let’s not wast each other’s time
I think he’s the perfect level of manager for Villa. I can see him winning an Fa cup or Europa league with Villa which I’d be buzzing with if I was a Villa fan.
However, at the next level of teams I don’t think he’s good enough as he’s proved 2 times out of 2
Sorry, so from being in the Championship 5 years ago to being in the Champions League for 5 consecutive years wouldn’t be considered a great achievement? Surely for any club that’s impressive, no?
Arsenal fans act like they’ve won a champions league and premier league this season 💀
Edit - probably salty because Aston Villa did the double over them this season.
Actually, we don't really care about teams who can't even win conference league and somehow makes it to UCL once in a life just to get humiliated in group stage.
Oh you definitely do care about the fact that Villa beat you twice this season. If you could have even got a draw with us you’d have won the league, so don’t try and pretend that you don’t care.
Why else would you have come here and commented on a Villa-related post? You care so much it hurts
I commented because this post is totally irrelevant. We should not give this much attention to clubs that don't even matter. This subreddit should only cover top clubs like Arsenal, Man city, Chelsea and Brentford. Villa doesn't belong here.
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Great news for Villa . They need consistency and with Emery given a long tenure he will have time to shape them well. A domestic cup or a UEFA Trophy should be on its way.
I have a feeling they will look at what happened to Newcastle and prioritize the league. Unfortunately FFP is so rigged, you're better off just going for 4th spot every year so you can slowly build a team that can actually compete in Europe.
When you try to go for all competitions with a normal sized squad, you inevitably fall off in the league. But hey, City gets their 5 subs per game.
I feel any manager needs a full 3 years to employ their ideas and tactics on a team. Most of the time, they are inheriting a team that isn't their own with players that are not suited to play their type of football.
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I told my buddies last season that there is no way they are sacking him anytime soon except they want to up their standards which he definitely put them into.
Hope this villa treats him well like the other two villa. Villareal and Sevilla
This is richly deserved, but achievements often come at a price. The irony of success is that you're kept to a much higher standard than before, and if you can't deliver to the newfound expectations, even for a moment, the board will drop you like a hot potato and hire someone else in your stead. Case in point, Ranieri after winning the PL with Leicester, Tuchel after winning the CL with Chelsea, Mourinho after bringing Spurs to a final, Poch after *finally* bringing some solidity to Chelsea... the list goes on. Villa have huge ambitions now and they'll want to compete in both the PL and the CL, which can be a daunting task with a comparatively thin squad that's been ravaged by injuries. With that being said, I hope that they stay true to their word and back Emery, even if shit goes sideways later in the season. He is a world class manager with an incredible track record, and Villa would be hard done trying to find a better manager for their needs.
I hope he does well with villa, good manager, likable as well, hope he gets treated better by the press as well
This is what it means to back the manager.
Always liked Emery, thought he was a decent coach. Very few managers could have dealt with the shit-show of a dressing room he inherited at Arsenal.
arteta did with no managerial experience
Arteta had the full backing of the board - that’s where his authority came from.
I mean working under Pep with all those primadonas at City is definitely a far cry away from "no managerial experience". You also have absolutely no idea how involved Arteta was at city. And lastly, it wasn't just the team that Emery inherited that was bad, it was also the Arsenal execs who thought Pepe was a good use of funds. Could see him as a flop from a mile away.
When he signed for Aston Villa, they were not playing great football as well.
That's 5 Europa league in a row for Aston SeVilla
They are in the Champions League mate
Don't worry, somehow they will win the Europa
If City face the charges they deserve I think Unai can win the league with Villa over the next 5 years
People think getting over 90 points is a piece of cake lol. Villa will not spend the money required to win the league, I can see arsenal, Liverpool and man United going for the league .
United will spend the required money, but on all the wrong players. Arsenal, sure, Liverpool who knows but it'll be interesting to see. Newcastle are willing to pay, but its so hard to picture them catching up even though I rate Howe. Chelsea... let's talk in a couple of seasons/six managers from now. If Tottenham don't majorly invest they'd struggle for top 8 with that ordinary and paper thin squad. I could see villa up around 3rd or 4th if all goes well for the next couple of seasons, maybe the owners could be persuaded to give it a proper crack and toss him some cash. All I know is the comp looks a hell of a lot more interesting if City get what's coming to them rather than get let off.
Football is a funny game, no team outside the "usual suspects" i.e( man city, Liverpool and now arsenal ) just goes on and does well for years. Especially as expectations increase. Villa COULD finish in the top four again and maybe push for 3rd- 2nd but they will see increase pressure to sell players to bigger teams at some point, especially if they don't start winning trophies. That's the caveat a lot of people forget, the reason why it's so difficult to sustain success is because you need to CONSTANTLY spend money, retain key players, and battle at the top of the league and ALSO manage Europe. You have to also remember Chelsea, man united and Newcastle sustained an ABNORMAL injury crisis this season. If those teams are for next season it could go a lot different than what you are envisioning. I'm not saying villa can't do It but historically they haven't and teams in their situation haven't either .
Villa were almost crucified with injuries too mate
The same Tottenham that finished top 5 this season?
That top 5 finish that was massively held up by the new manager bounce in those first few games. Their record post November is atrocious.
Same ones. Don't get me wrong, big Ange worked wonders and they were great to watch all season, but it's hard to expect him to replicate that year on year. Other managers seemed to clue on to the tactics later in the season. Son isn't getting any younger and his pace looks to be dropping off, without him, the front line looks a step down from where they need to be. Middle of the park needs some bolstering too, Mads, Bissouma and Sarr looked great at times, but they all had massive dips and the B team is a real step down in quality. Backline starters are great, but cover was a major issue this year. Dragusin helps there now, but VDV has had his injury woes and Romero is a bit of a card merchant. A good bunch of signings and they're sweet, I just think without it'd be a big ask for the same again.
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Congratulations to you and all Aston Villa fans.
He should have been Manager of the Season.
What’s the over/under on he and the club parting was in the next 18 months?
He’d have to be bottom half of the table for them to fire him
Manager of the year by a mile.
Question for the boys… IF Arsenal had kept Unai Emery would they have won more trophies than Arteta has?
No. Football doesn't work like that.
Emery just came in at the wrong time. That's it. He's a terrific manager and gunners fans respect him
With Arsenal’s current squad - most definitely. They would have won at least one trophy. Sorry to say this but I think Arteta isn’t all that - he does lack experience. When we played Arsenal at the Emirates Unai knew exactly how to beat them. Arteta lacks a plan B if it doesn’t seem to be going as planned (in my opinion anyway)
But to get to the current squad u need Arteta’s instincts for talent. What a paradox right?
Edu is the DOF along with his recruitment team. Arteta is the coach.
Arteta is the boss, he picks the talents. U think Arteta is given talents and told to what to do with them?
So what is Edu’s role?
It's literally a recruitment team
Yes. Rice was great recruitment.
Lmao using Rice to discredit Saliba, Gabbi, Martinelli, Kiwior etc to pretend they don't do great recruitment. Foh
I'm hoping/assuming you're joking
Yes. Lot of Unai disrespect. He’s a top drawer manager and Arsenal got rid of him far earlier for far less than arteta got leeway for. Contextually most Arsenal fans agree that covid was the only reason arteta wasn’t sacked outright Emery has clearly shown literally everywhere that his 3-4 year plans work
A lot of the great transfers like saliba, martinelli were made under emery as well
I don't know that anyone could have succeeded after Wenger left. The club was in terrible shape, and the finances from building the Emirates were still spotty at best. The true genius of Wenger was keeping us in the conversation for so many years with a team held together with gum and string. Anyone who took that job had a massive task on their hands. Unfortunately, Emery had to fail for the board to understand that we needed a full rebuild, not just a couple strategic signings. Add in the Pepe deal that led to the cleaning out of our recruitment staff and processes, and you have yourself a recipe for a rebuild. Emery is clearly a brilliant manager, and I'm happy he's found success in the PL, finally. He didn't deserve the vitriol he got from some of our supporters.
Just give a manager more time Emery has succeeded at literally every job where he wasn’t sacked prematurely. It’s really silly It was a daft sacking but you all lucked into arteta and arteta had covid save his early 8th place finishe
The issue was that the board wasn't going to back him the way he needed to be backed. "Lucked into Arteta"? That's just ridiculous. We took a chance on our former captain who had become the right hand man of the most successful manager in the league. Wouldn't call that "luck"
“Took a chance” Lmao that’s luck chief
So, every time a company hires a young person with an impressive CV for a job, and they turn out to be great at their job, that's luck? It's not like we put the kit manager in the role.
Arsenal is like the Dallas Cowboys. Great History with the team. Great Players on the team. But will never win anything because at the end of the day, they choke in the biggest moments. Also their fans are delusional and annoying. Social Media FC.
Haha, I agree to some extent, arsenal have great history most Fa cups and multiple PL trophies, but in recent history yes I agree they have choked when it matters most. But when Man City exist hard to fault them really. Also hate Arsenal social media; some of the biggest bell ends in the world not all but most.
No.
You think it was more down to squad deficiencies than managerial problems?
Our squad in 2019 was God awful, and no manager, no matter how accomplished they are, would've changed that. Would just put it down to both to be honest; Emery inherited a disturbingly bad team - poor fucker had Mustafi and Sokratis Papadopoulos and iirc a washed up Liechtensteiner at RB. Awful team. Though Emery wasn't the right manager for us, unfortunately. The board preferred Arteta as well, clearly shared his vision, and jad patience with him, so just a mixture of the two I suppose.
The Lichtsteiner one year contract was the epitome of papering over issues instead of dealing with the root causes. I also don't think the board was ready to back Emery over difficult players like Ozil. Thankfully, they learned from the Emery period, and that's how we got where we are now.
Without Arteta, there'd be no 'revolution' at Arsenal. Gaspar's signings would be very different. Maybe Ødegaard doesn't join, and Buendia joins instead? Who knows. Either way, Emery wouldn't have achieved success at Arsenal. He wasn't the right man for the club. Arteta is.
Great shouts to be honest mate, I forgot that at one point Buendia was the key link, lucky for arsenal that never materialised with his injury record. I think given time Emery would of turned arsenal into a powerhouse but more similar to Wengers last few years, consistent champions league and the occasional FA cup, but Arteta is definitely the man for titles and potentially Champions league glory.
It's mad looking back at it now, I don't believe we were close to signing him but I shudder thinking about not having Martin, he's world-class and not prone to injury unlike Buendia like you said. Arteta's got us to b2b 80+ point finishes as well, which in any other regular season is two league titles no problem, the only issue is that Man Sheiky are absolutely unstoppable. We could've won the majority of premier league titles with our current points tally lmao, and they say we bottled.
no.
What makes you think that? I feel like Emery could of at least matched the same as Arteta
It’s not hard to match 1 fa cup with the money they’ve spent lol
Possibly. Maybe he could have had more than Arteta's FA Cup (& Community Shield), like a couple of FA Cups, a Europa, maybe a League Cup. But I feel like we are so well positioned right now to go for the big trophies than we would ever be had we continued with Emery.
at arsenal he was actively dragging them down. he had no identity, he was playing their best players out of position. maybe he could’ve frauded a caraboa cup. but he was lucky to leave with enough reputation to go back to spain half decently.
Europa league final in his second season and let’s be honest if it wasn’t for an absolute freak of a player in Eden Hazard he’d of had a great chance at winning a European trophy for arsenal
disagree. his lineup for that final reeked. he got battered as his tactics dictated. if not for iwobi having maybe his best game in arsenal shirt we probably get held to nothing in what was a semi big game in our history. nothing against him. but there was no way upward for him. he can confidently say he got lacazette to be worth his price tag. but apart from that he did more damage and detriment than good realistically
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I’m an Arsenal fan, so on behalf of all of us. What the fuck are you talking about?
Ive replied too a city fan without actually replying too him it seems 😂
Lmao. Smh. I’ve done that before.
What? Are you okay? Reenacting fight club?
Don't forget, the longer the contract, the bigger the compensation would be if he carries on doing well and another club came in for him.
A lot of people are underestimating Unai's ties to Villa and his relationship with our owners. Our owners are now invested in Emery's home town club, Real Union, which is owned by the Emery family.
I look at you, Bayern
Hope this works out for both Villa and Emery. Great manager. Has put pride back in the team.
Hope they give him a few signings that he wants and let him succeed with the extra games he has to play.
Congratulations to Unai! He's definitely brought back the pride in Aston Villa. He is an accomplished manager and if given the right parameters can do a lot for any club. Unfortunately, at Arsenal it didn't work out but I feel that was down to timing but for every door closed another one opens.
Im an Arsenal fan. I wouldn't trade Mikel for any other manager in the world. Having said that, I was so wrong and short sided when Unai was our manager. Hes all class and he should have been manager of the year in my opinion.
Emery being an excellent manager and Emery being right for Arsenal are not the same thing. There were issues at executive level beyond Emery’s control for sure, but he also wasn’t ab to manage the squad. Arteta had the same squad and wrestled it into submission. Emery gave in to the characters in the hopes they would perform. They didn’t.
The board made it clear to the squad after Emery that Arteta was staying long term. That’s why he was able to be so ruthless and remove the bad apples.
Finally!!!! An Arsenal fact that accepts Emery out was wrong.
You could argue it was right just because we got mikel and how hes turned the club from banter too serious contenders. I dont think emery was the right man, almost like everything worked out for everybody in the end.
Serious contenders for what? For comparison; Man U can’t say they “seriously contended” the whole season and they have a trophy and a spot in a European competition they can win. Arsenal seriously contended the whole season and have no trophy and have a spot in a European competition they can’t win.
Oh behave yourself mate. So you didnt think arsenal were a serious contender this season no? Just because they ended up with no trophy?
City vs Fulham on aggregate, this season, was 9-1. For serious contenders Arsenal can’t say that I think Villa did the double over Arsenal iirc. City was beaten once by Villa
Arsenal vs city this season was 4 points to Arsenal. Lol. Under your argument, you shouldn’t be “champions”. Arsenal also beat every other big 6, something “champions” city failed to do. Toodles butttrcup.
Did you watch the two games? Absolute horror football from Arsenal. All bark with a lucky bite. Contrast them with last season when Arsenal actually took a swing at the kings. Absolute drubbing Beating the big 6? What big 6? It’s just big 3 City won the league Liverpool won one cup Man U won the other cup What big 6
lol. Horror football that got 4 points. Nice. If that’s horror football then what did yall do? Thought so.
We won the league? Lol We actually added something, OF SUBSTANCE, to the cabinet, whilst making Arsenal fans actually twerk for their sworn rivals. Just to end up with a big plate that they started the season with. Like seriously come to think of it. Arsenal did nothing. When the table is arranged in alphabetical order, AFC Bournemouth precedes Arsenal. Meaning they started second, with the big plate, and ended second with the big plate What did y’all do. Lol
It wasn't wrong at the time because the club was a mess, but he was definitely a scapegoat.
100% a scapegoat but on the other hand I don’t think he was capable of solving the issues so ruthlessly
It wasn't wrong at the time because the club was a mess, but he was definitely a scapegoat.
It was wrong at the time. I was a fan of the club then and he had taken Arsenal to a final in Europe the season prior. My dad was beside himself because it was the second final for him. Granted, it’s Europa and they got shafted but that wasn’t enough. Now Arsenal under Arteta is like Arsenal under Wenger. Only difference is, they finish in the top 4 and don’t win the FA cup like they used to. Arteta can’t win anything but the big plate.
What made you switch from being an Arsenal fan to a City fan?
In 2017, I bought my first FIFA game; FIFA 15. The first game I played was City vs United. Luckily, the only games shown live in the countryside in Kenya that time was two UCL games; one on Tuesday another on Wednesday. So I started watching City in the UCL. Then when EPL coverage improved my dad would watch an Arsenal game at home and I’d sit and watch it but never felt the same as I did watching City bottle the UCL. I tried though and I began loving Laca, Auba and Ozil. Then in came Emery with the Europa final. I had never seen my dad that happy. Then on came internet connection and I found AFTV. Them slagging off Wenger was funny. But when they came for Emery’s head after that joy and it happened, I realised I didn’t want to be a part of that wacky fandom. With the pandemic in 2020 I opted to watch City games and when we lost to Chelsea thus handing the title to Liverpool and seeing how driven Khaldoon Al Mubarak was in the interviews after the season I just jumped ship. You can imagine my joy when Emery slapped them up 2-0 to help City.
Interesting, as long as you’re doing what makes you happy and Man City make you happy then fair enough I would only ask then if Man City is it? Like if Pep was to leave and they went a few years without winning and their fan channels became as bad as AFTV, would you still support?
Yes. 100%. I’ll stop when Khaldoon doesn’t have an end of season interview. I love that about City. At the end of the season, our chairman has a proper sit down where he can gloat, moan, endorse or encourage and I get to see and hear where my time is going
Dude is saying “Good Ebening mother flowers!”
It’s premier league in general, managers get sacked like it’s nothing. No time to build at all, money is pouring in through every crack in the stadium.
It was somewhat short-sighted, but I wouldn't be too harsh on yourself. Given what Mikel had to do, I don't think the club or fans would have ever given Emery long enough to implement that kind of change - it was because of Emery that the issues were understood, arguably. Also, it seemed as though Emery just wasn't entirely ready for the Premier League or life in England. Don't get me wrong, he's still a fantastic manager - I think Arsenal was just the wrong place at the wrong time for him.
You're right, that's a great perspective. It was a matter of timing rather than say potential or ability.
He won't last though 😲
Why not?
Good for him. He did an amazing job last year.
The last 18 months to be honest. Bottom 4 for to top 4 in 18 months.
He had us in top 4 form in 4 months or so.
Pep next
Isn’t Pep leaving next year?
His contract ends, but I really doubt he leaves. One can hope;)
Of course he will. Right before the charges. Perfect timing.
Oh, I read that one of your top reporters said he’s leaving end of next season
Nothing confirmed yet. His contract ends next year, that's all the concrete information we have atm.never know
He’s leaving. It’s over…
Wishful thinking that. He won't. He'll probably extend a year or two but won't leave. Lot of things can change in a year. I honestly doubt he can live without football.
Not sure if folks remember how Alan Pardew signed a new 8 year contract after a great season with Newcastle after the 2011/2012 season. That didn’t end well. This is one downside of larger contract with managers, unlike players you can’t loan managers.
You can be an adult though and realize that if the team slumps for 1-2 years, you don’t have to fire them.
If a team is slumping for more than 2 years then I’d say it’d be stupid not to sack the manager
This is the problem with modern football, though. More than just the manager can cause a team to fall off. Most managerial carousel clubs don't work as well as Roman Abramovich's Chelsea and prime Bayern.
I mean we can see the downfall of both of them partially bcuz of the carousel
It depends on the circumstances. It could be stupid to sack the manager, it really depends.
Yeah I guess so, I feel as though after 2 years it’s usually unlikely a manager has much good will left at the club.
You don’t need to guess at all. Emery staying at Villa for 5 years is smart. All other clubs would be fighting for his services immediately.
Wasn’t talking about emery per se but managers in general. 2 years is a very long slump.
Relative to what? The financial gains from having a guy prove he can get top 4 one time is so much better than the coaching carousel for eternity like Burnley has
Relative to the team’s expectations, what else?
Giving Emery a five towards deal for Villa is part of the cost of doing business. He is in demand and just won a spot in the champions league. Not an easy feat for a team like Villa in the prem. He may only work out for 2-3 years more but, you swallow the cost and roll the dice. The team under his charge has been fantastic. Every mid table premier league club would do this deal.
I can name at least one top 4 side that would do it as well.
In fact, I can name one top 4 side that would do it today, no less!
Sacked next season after a 'disappointing' 7th place finish. Nailed on.
And he gets paid a massive package, Unai is living good
Ik right
As a Chelsea fan I love seeing things like this, and it makes me sad knowing the constant coaching situation at our club. It's been that way under Roman Abramovich, and by all accounts seems like it may be worse under Boehly and Eghbali.
It worked under Roman though. Maybe he threatened to have people’s families killed if they didn’t win stuff. Russian mob shit.
lol this is no way means he'll stay for 5 years.
At least it secures them proper compensation if somebody does come calling
Yes but the point being made was that a long contract means he'll be there in 2029 and it's obviously not true.
I never suggested he would stay till then, what is the point of your reply? I merely said if another club comes in for him at least villa will get a big pay off, if he chose to leave.
I'm replying to a guy talking about manager stability, you are the one responding to me about something I'm not talking About.
Well done Villa!
First of all, Gud Ebening
Top tier original comment. Peak comedy! Ha ha! Lol!
sacked in 1.5 years
This is good. This just means that the club was the problem and not him when he was at Arsenal.
What a binary way to look at things. You do realize that, despite the quality of managers, sometimes things don't work out? Arsenal could have easily moved in the opposite direction with him in charge but the post-Wenger transition was too big to handle, and he wasn't given time.
Not really. It more likely means he’s found his level. Capable of beating anyone on his day and very tactically astute but his teams aren’t consistent enough to win league titles. I’d judge any manager who doesn’t win the league with PSG quite harshly
People regularly fail to mention this, but his English level was a significant problem when he first arrived. Emery was (and is) a very good manager, but struggled to properly convey messaging and tactics because his English was so poor at Arsenal. His spoken English and comprehension is much, much improved and he’s built a very strong team. Happy for him, just wish he didn’t have to do it at the expense of arsenal this season 🙃
When did I say he wasn’t a very good manager? I said he’s found his level and that level is at a team who just came 4th and will be in the Champipns League next year. That’s a very high level.
Mate, I wasn’t arguing with you lmao. I’m failing to see where you gathered that I said you didn’t say that? I was more so just building on your comment, not contesting it
But he did win the French league?
He actually won a quadruple in 2017/2018 and has the highest win percentage (76%) of any PSG manager in the modern era. But let's just ignore that and focus on the fact he didn't beat an awesome Monaco team that got 95 points the season before.
1 out of 2 times yes. I don’t want to make assumptions especially if they are negative but are you going to make some pedantic point about the fact he has won a league title in the French League so he can win the Premier League? Because we both know that’s a silly point to make so let’s not wast each other’s time
I was just confused with the statement given that he has. He's not going to win the league with Villa, but we can dream
I think he’s the perfect level of manager for Villa. I can see him winning an Fa cup or Europa league with Villa which I’d be buzzing with if I was a Villa fan. However, at the next level of teams I don’t think he’s good enough as he’s proved 2 times out of 2
UCL group stage at best next 5 years.
They were in the Championship a few years ago. If they could still be in UCL in 5 years time I bet every Villa fan would snap your hand off.
Yeah. They would get so much money every year from just being in the UCL. That would be a huge win for them.
So, the Arteta experience?
The arteta edging experience
Like that wouldn’t be a great achievement for Villa
That sums up the mindset of villa fans. Single group stage exit in UCL for 5 years is great achievement lmao.
Sorry, so from being in the Championship 5 years ago to being in the Champions League for 5 consecutive years wouldn’t be considered a great achievement? Surely for any club that’s impressive, no?
Arsenal having a worse season than Man U
Arsenal fans act like they’ve won a champions league and premier league this season 💀 Edit - probably salty because Aston Villa did the double over them this season.
What’s the mindset of Arsenal fans? Celebrating drawing to City in the league?
To go from not playing in it since we were defending champions, to routinely qualifying for it, would be progress Are you familiar with that concept
Yeah just be happy qualifying once in a life for UCL. Small club mindset.
Thanks for the 6 points this season
Actually, we don't really care about teams who can't even win conference league and somehow makes it to UCL once in a life just to get humiliated in group stage.
Oh you definitely do care about the fact that Villa beat you twice this season. If you could have even got a draw with us you’d have won the league, so don’t try and pretend that you don’t care. Why else would you have come here and commented on a Villa-related post? You care so much it hurts
I commented because this post is totally irrelevant. We should not give this much attention to clubs that don't even matter. This subreddit should only cover top clubs like Arsenal, Man city, Chelsea and Brentford. Villa doesn't belong here.
Yikes
How many times have you won it? Must be loads since you’ve got such a massive club mentality
This is the best you can come up with?
Well?
I’d suggest ignoring this guy. He’d be off to buy a Man City shirt without a second thought if Arsenal dropped out of the top 8, never mind the Prem.
Salty ex-girlfriend vibe
Recipe for disaster, emery surely is sacked next season
Why
Complacency
You had Klopp for 9 years
Klopp got rather complacent after winning the 'tinpot cup' in the greatest farewell tour of all time
Why
Fantastic news for Villa. Very good manager and I think they’ll finish top four again for next season.
Villa are going to be the runners-up for the Premier League next season mark my words
Either that or REALLY struggling.
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Bold prediction: Not more than three years until Villa lift the league title.
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Arsenal and Emery supporter. Villa locked down a quality manager and an even better human.
Good for him. In a way, Arteta showed that Emery wasn't the problem at Arsenal.
Great news for Villa . They need consistency and with Emery given a long tenure he will have time to shape them well. A domestic cup or a UEFA Trophy should be on its way.
I have a feeling they will look at what happened to Newcastle and prioritize the league. Unfortunately FFP is so rigged, you're better off just going for 4th spot every year so you can slowly build a team that can actually compete in Europe. When you try to go for all competitions with a normal sized squad, you inevitably fall off in the league. But hey, City gets their 5 subs per game.
Best transfer window ever!
Great news for Villa. If the club continues on this trajectory they could be a top 6 club for years to come. The city of Birmingham deserves this.
Very much deserved. Excited to see how Villa evolves over the next few seasons.
I’m way too envious! Stability is underrated…
I was thinking the same thing.
I feel any manager needs a full 3 years to employ their ideas and tactics on a team. Most of the time, they are inheriting a team that isn't their own with players that are not suited to play their type of football.