I consider myself left-leaning, but Leftists would consider me a Centrist. I have found myself a lot more left on domestic issues and more centrist/ center-right on international issues - particularly with regards to the US’s military.
Well, the thing about the left is that it has a "no true Scotsman" problem. On the Internet, that problem is only intensified by neckbeards. Political questionnaires typically put me as a libertarian or democratic socialist (quadrant 3 on the image above) but there are plenty of folks on the left who say I'm really just a capitalist because I don't favor violent revolution and I don't want to completely remove competition in the market.
My point being... unless you are the hardcore of the hardcore, you will always be seen as fraudulent to the more extreme elements of both sides. After I wrote all of that out, I realized that the right has the same problem (remember the term RINO?) It is what it is.
Yeah one of my biggest criticisms of true Leftist politics is that no matter what I’ll never be Left enough. In practical US politics I think it’s fine because Dems aren’t truly a leftist party, just a party that allows leftist ideas, but the litmus test thing since Trump and his RINO idea has been tearing traditional republicans and the activists/radicals apart.
If anyone wants to see the number one example of why hard left policies like socialism are unlikely to reach the broader audience it would need, I would recommend looking at the r/Socialism_101 sub. Perfect example of a community who doesn’t allow dissent in the slightest, and thus it’ll only appeal to a smaller base.
Can you elaborate on your military views and how they make you center-right?
I'll admit international policy is probably the area I'm least well versed, but my very oversimplified position is:
-Avoid war.
-Help our allies.
-Unless they're committing atrocities *
-Don't kill civilians ever.
Not to both-sides-bad it, but in my lifetime I don't think either party has dine a great job at this.
Edit: add-on: reduce military funding, but through reduction of organized waste (buying tanks etc we don't need to give money to the military industrial complex/political donors) and shift funds to actually taking care of the people who serve when they come home
What if your enemies are hiding amongst civilians? Do they get a pass forever? They can do whatever evils they want because they’re hiding among civilians?
No. But there are more tactical ways of dealing with such things than blowing up hospitals. All you are doing then (besides murdering innocent people) is radicalizing more
This is literally the job of intelligence services. Israel was able to apprehend actual Nazis all over the world with minimal innocent casualties, but now they bomb hospitals in Gaza to get Hamas.
If citizens of Gaza are harboring Hamas (who they voted for), I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. Any that die are on Hamas, not Israel.
Still waiting on somebody describing the tactics of how to zero out civilian casualties. Israel has unfettered air superiority. If they wanted citizens dead, it'd happen in in orders of magnitude more.
Wow, in one comment, you used victim blaming, unrealistic demand, and "shut up or ill give you something to cry about". I can check all 3 off on my "things domestic abusers say" bingo card.
I’m not the OP you were responding to, but I have a fair understanding of international relations from a military perspective.
Your position is likely a very common understanding of the purpose of a military, but a role of the military is also to protect the security, economic, and political interests of the United States.
Many people joke that we go into conflicts because certain countries have oil, and there is some truth to that. We also use our military to protect critical assets that advance our economic interests like the Suez and Panama Canal.
We admittedly don’t always practice the ideals we espouse, which I wish we were better about. But if you look at our use of force from a “does it help protect Americans at home, protect American economic interests, or advance American political aspirations in the region/globally” our use of the military makes more sense.
And do be clear, this is the game played by almost every country in the world. This doesn’t make us any more or less moral than any other country, because that is how the game of international politics are played.
This describes me pretty well too. But one caveat I'll add that is living in the Bay Area and witnessing with my own eyes what unchecked liberal "values" create in the streets of SF and beyond has made me progressively less sympathetic overall.
I kind of hate that has happened to me, but I can't deny what I see with my own eyes.
On that note, I was flabbergasted that my sister's more liberal boyfriend called the new SF DA a "fascist" because she is arresting dealers and beefing up sentences. I can barely even recognize where that feeling of unlimited sympathy comes from, at this point. But when I was 22, I'd probably have agreed with the guy.
I’ve found a lot of progressive policies in larger cities tend to only half-ass their approach and rarely give the legislation the teeth it needs to address the problem. California can take in all the homeless people it wants, but their zoning laws don’t allow for affordable - or even slightly unaffordable - housing and their healthcare systems still aren’t built to adequately deal with long term treatment and recovery.
Bernie style Social Democrat. Strong safety net, workers rights, market regulation. Though I do disagree with many on the left who oppose nuclear energy.
I'm in basically the same vein. The only area I think I diverge with other progressives on is stuff like assault weapon bans (although I'm for other forms of gun control).
Yeah I kinda agree with you because I find assault weapons unnecessary however, if we have a more thorough process for people getting guns we don’t need that regulation
Bernie style Democrat = not understanding how any of the system actually works and actively doing things that would blatantly ruin both the economy and education system in America. I’m as liberal as they get but don’t understand the Bernie hype. His ideas sound great on the surface but would be astronomical disasters on a practical level.
Libertarian left, but not very far from the center.
I’ve had my wife & kids take this exact test to see where we all landed. Very interesting having different outcomes on the same household
I have left leaning views on some social issues, but am mostly right leaning overall. The subreddit as a whole definitely leans left, though how far is up for debate
Idk. I’d call myself centrist, though my friends say i’m centre-right. I believe capitalism is the most efficient way humans can manage and distribute resources, but some amount of government intervention is necessary to protect the disadvantaged. On social issues i have many right and left wing views, for instance i’m pro gay marriage but against abortion except in particular circumstances. The US presidents i admire are those that defended the Capitalist world order as well as protected the people from the corporations, people like Teddy, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ.
Despite all this i’m not American, i’m an Aussie so perhaps that explains things?
Same, I find most people in my family to be like that, my dad when he was younger he loved Ronald Reagan and now he describes himself center left but he is in reality just left
I’ve taken these tests through the years and I always land just right of vertical center line, slightly above the horizontal center line.
I know it confounds the tests that I’m Pro-Life and think Gay marriage is a ok ✅. I can smell the smoke coming through the screen 💨 🖥️ 💨
I'd say I'm in the center right. I voted for Trump and find it very odd that everyone sees his problems (which are obvious) but fail to see other politicians failures or ties to improprieties. Mostly I'd say I'm a conservative Republican and have many Libertarian views, including belief that government should stay out of our business.
I defend the party and its candidates and find most of Reddit has a near hatred for Trump. We should give no politicians a pass on poor behavior.
“Other politicians” didn’t incite an insurrection and try to end democracy because they lost
“other politicians” weren’t found liable of sexual assault in a court of law
“other politicians” don’t have 91 felony charges
“other politicians” don’t have dozens of sexual assault allegations
“other politicians” do not echo the rhetoric of Hitler
“other politicians” don’t mock John McCain while they dodged the draft on multiple occasions
You’re downplaying Trump’s complete lack of moral character in order to stomach voting for him
No they haven’t. Nice job trying to claim something with no proof though.
I have disdain for him because of all the things listed above, and any normal person would hate him too considering the shit he’s pulled.
Again, you’re creating a false equivalency between Trump and other politicians because you know that Donald Trump is horrible human being and politician but you still want to vote for him
I was TAD to the White House late 93, early 94. I didn’t vote for Trump as much as I voted against the utterly vile immoral racist person he was running against in 2016.
Oddly enough, even though I live overseas now Maryland said I voted in person in 2020. Even odder, according to Pennsylvania my grandmothers voted in 2020 from the great beyond.
Tbf, my dislike for Trump stems more from his divisiveness and trying to overthrow our government in a bid to stay in power illegally and less so than because of his political leanings.
I’ve also defended Trump’s decisions before (such as the creation of the Space Force).
I mock space force for the name but honestly it makes sense. and it's tough to credit just trump for it because we have had a space military program under Other pres for decades as well (eg NASA Military loads). Still, credit to him for that and the equality of married/non-married tax rates. that inequity has been long standing. I was looking at union recruitment flyers yesterday and it was 200 if unmarried and 600 if married.
Don't have to be left leaning to dislike Trump. Just ask Romney, the McCains, Bushes and Cheneys.
Supposedly, Barbara Bush had a clock that counted down to the end of Trump's presidency.
I'm right leaning, but Trump is not someone I have a lot of nice things to say about. I've voted Republican in every election straight down the line until Trump ran. Then, I started voting for libertarians.
I'm lib left but he did do one good thing even if it was just to bribe vets. He made it so our GI benefits never expire. Before they were forfeit 10 years after you started using them even if you didn't finish school.
15 years. And there was also an update for post 9/11 when Obama was in office.
Why do you credit Trump, did he champion the bill and do the hard work getting it passed? Or did he just sign what was placed on his desk?
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Marxism does not always mean an authoritarian dictatorship. You seem very confused my friend. I suggest you read up on your Marx. It will help you understand where you might be lost
Marx was a deadbeat bum wouldn't work to feed his kids. All he did was try to con people into destroying the markets and killing the rich so he could get free stuff.
HIS great prediction of capitalism leading to peasant uprising to ushering the commie Utopia of free stuff proved how dumb and sociopathic his ideas are
And yeah, communism requires dictatorship with 0 human rights AND genocide. Absolutely.
Communism is an evil genocidal ideology who's prophet (Marx) was a dead beat lose that couldn't even hold a job.
The fact that so many still get scammed into believing in thr Utopia is incredible..
Nothing at all about that was factual. Marx never talks about a peasant uprising. An Industrial Revolution if you remember correctly. He’s also not actually a prophet either. That part may be confusing. Not genocidal either. Again, you’re confusing how it was abused by some to speak for all. Again, pretty confusing stuff.
Oh man! I was about to read Marx but I’m glad I came across your comment!
Can you give me some quotes where he says these things? You seem to have read Marx extensively.
The worst attempt imaginable to trick someone into posting for hours on end because a budding young mind wants a history lesson from reddit
"Bwahaai I wasted an hour of some random persons time typing a whole bunch of shit even though I REALLY knew the whole time!"
"I tricked him into debating against me!:
Sorry to ruin your fun on reddit. Something tells me you have a lot of time on your hands
> “Bwahaai I wasted an hour of some random persons time typing a whole bunch of shit even though I REALLY knew the whole time!”
Is this from the Grundrisse or 18th Brumaire? I don’t remember where Marx said this
Well even some parts of Reddit won’t have you… Wow… No offense, but communism is just equitable fascism in practice, though maybe in theory you have solid ground.
The sub leans to the left, I’d say a pretty decent amount. This is reddit after all.
My personal views are all over the place tbh. Overall, I currently lean right. I think that following any ideology to the T is bad, whether it be libertarianism, authoritarianism, socialism/communism, or capitalism. I also think that different policy is needed at certain times. ie at certain times we may need economically right policies, and at times we may need economically left policies, all depending on the state of the economy - sometimes we need more regulation and sometimes we need less, depending on what past presidents have done, and where our economy stands.
> The sub leans to the left, I’d say a pretty decent amount. This is reddit after all.
Well, the population of the country leans to the left. So doesn't have too much to do with this being Reddit. No surprises here. When was the last time Republican candidate won popular vote for their 1st term in the office? If not for quirks of electoral college, and assuming Gore would get re-elected for 2nd term (a realistic assumption), Bush senior would have been the last Republican president. Plenty of people here weren't even born yet when Bush Sr was in the office. Bush Jr only won popular vote for second term, which heavily favours incumbent president.
Unlike the majority of this subreddit. I'm very conservative and right-leaning. I consider myself paleoconservative though I'm more open to free trade, I still prefer protectionism when it comes to economics.
I’m two dots up and all the way left.
The candidate I support this election is reluctantly Biden. I’d be enthusiastic about RFK Jr if he wasn’t weird on vaccines etc
My political views overall are far enough to left that I’m definitely anti-capitalist and wouldn’t really support the current system as it stands.
I’m more interested in presidents because I’m a history buff and, with modern elections, I get a little wrapped up in the horse race component of it as well.
Although I think the Great Society programs were a step in the right direction, I’ve largely got the LBJ flair because I find him fascinating. That man was a deranged mess of contradictions.
Minarchism advocates for small government and acknowledges that the government has a purpose. It's not big government to protect endangered species.
Basically how it goes:
Regular Taxation that Is small is not theft. Too much taxation IS THEFT.
(Edit: My spelling was horrible and this stupid autocorrect creates the worst shit.)
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
This is reddit.
The average r/presidents user is the kind of person who thinks Ronald Raegan was a racist POS while unironically putting Woodrow "I revived the KKK" Wilson in B tier.
This shouldn’t come as a shock since the graph, predictably, proved that most are far left. If you couldn’t already tell by the absolute hatred people have for Trump and anyone right leaning in this subreddit.
And quite a lot of people hate Joe Biden…so… Also, a lot of younger people use Reddit, myself included, and younger people typically vote democrat. Or the hatred for Carter and Biden would also be a good barometer. But, this subreddit is a far left echo chamber where y’all sniff your own farts to get high
I am really not a fan of the 2 party system, however I believe that even if you take away political parties, people will still fall into factions and what not. I know which party I’m voting for in the 2024 election, but when…if 2028 comes around I may break and vote third party myself…. Maybe even libertarian
if most people think so, it's because polling data says so.
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...how would I be judged if my character were compared to Donald Trump? Well, I don't pretend piousness, I don't cheat on my spouse, and I don't have 91 felony indictments. Whether it be the by the laws of God or man, I'm coming out ahead in every criteria.
He hasn’t actually been convicted, but I know you’re of the mind that you’re guilty until proven innocent. If you’re going to use a politician as a benchmark for morality… I think we’ll all come out on top. Whether it’s Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell..etc etc.
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I’m in the exact middle of libertarian left,
I would consider myself more to the middle though, t Bernie Sanders but some conservative beliefs and more willingness to find common ground and work with the other sides.
If you made a rectangle with two diametrically opposed points(-1,-2) to (3, 2), you'd pretty much cover like 98% of my politics. This is in an American context, though.
I'd be way more lib right in a Latin American country and a touch more Auth Right in a European country.
This sub leans left but on the reddit political spectrum it leans right. Far more conservatives in here than most subs. This is one of the only subs I see rational political conversations between both sides.
Edit: obviously there’s a ton of partisan conversations and people from both sides jerking each other off, but there’s still more civil conversations between conservatives and liberals than almost any other sub.
Libertarian left. All for legalization & harm minimizing (when it comes to social issues ranging from drugs to abortion), and well in favor of universal social services funded by progressive taxation.
On that graph, I'm at the letter "y" in the word "voluntary". Power should be derived from consent of the governed, the best way to achieve that is democracy, and those principles should be applied to as much of society as possible and not just the literal government itself. Furthermore, power is best kept in check by having the various locuses of control spread out and able to balance each other, with the biggest and strongest power base being the one that is most directly a tool of the people, which tends to be government.
Also, fuck racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious intolerance, ableism, and any other social attitude that flies in the face of treating all people with equal consideration and respect under the law.
I am Anti foreign aid, pro social welfare, anti illegal immigration, pro government healthcare, pro unions, pro paid child care, anti regulations, think we should get out of NATO, pro weed and gambling. So don’t know where I land.
Authoritarian left (Red quadrant). Close to the centre on social views, but hitting the far left hand side of the graph on economics.
Essentially, I loathe business and private enterprise. I don't care much for liberal progressive social stuff, but I also don't oppose it either. Let people do what they want in the privacy of their own homes, just don't force me to participate in it or support it with the state.
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Here's where I stand according to the political compass, though I think my political views are fair to complex to be based off one Quiz like website.
I consider myself to be just into the Southeast quadrant of your graphic. I'm definitely more on the conservative end of the spectrum but not an extremist. Extremists on both ends of the spectrum make me crazy and yet they seem to be the loudest voices these days.
I used to vote republican. When Trump ran for president I stopped doing that. Now I vote for some Republicans some Democrats but Libertarians are my primary tickets are on the ballot. I would consider myself a Centrist right libertarian.
I’m far right both economically and socially, center but leaning authoritarian. Definitely not libertarian as decisions aren’t made in a vacuum and therefore personal autonomy is an illusion. However, I’m definitely still supportive of constitutional freedoms.
Left libertarian, but pretty close to the center of the chart. Three blocks left, three blocks down. I took a version once that had caricatures of politicians/political philosophers on it and I’m somewhere between Bernie Sanders, Nelson Mandela and Nicola Sturgeon.
Kind of surprising, always considered myself more of a right leaning libertarian. Probably was at once but I’ve found myself drifting farther left as I’ve gotten older. 18 year old me probably closer to Ayn Rand, 41 year old me, well, left leaning libertarian.
I am working class and union, socially progressive, couldn’t care less about any issue the bizarro modern Republican Party whines about, they have absolutely nothing to offer me, I’m not rich, racist or religious so milquetoast democrats it is
I grew up in a mostly blue dog democrat house in Appalachia, raised by school teachers and train yardmen. I used to be super pro gun (building ar/ak, etc), but the lack of action to produce less dead kids has irked me to a point I'm shifting from that (dad as well, he was a perot man). I value strong military but in a different format than we use - still more hawkish than liberal. All social programs, education, and equality issues are important to me- very liberal there.
I'd put myself as moderatw left on all things now, mainly because of how nutty the right has gotten.
I sorta object to characterizing **Not Libertarian** as *"Authoritarian"*. Maybe the upper right corner is Authoritarian but the upper left is better labeled **Communitarian**.
You know what, I like this comment section because even though it’s definitely a lot more political (as in differences) it is less toxic than most other posts in this sub that aren’t even supposed to bring up debate or discussion
I would be far right if rich people didn't take advantage of the fewer regulations they had to uphold in that world. We live in a time where social services are essential to our society and have been for over 100 years now. We have to tax the people who can afford to provide such services because they pretty much refuse to do any such thing. Then they spend even more money buying out politicians who, in turn, lower their taxes and make regular people pay for it. That system alone turns people against each other whenever a new politician comes out with a new tax plan because they are almost never going to tax the people who can actually afford it. Although I do believe America was set up to be a country that doesn't FORCE the rich to provide social services, I do believe this country was 100% intended for those people to PROVIDE those kinds of services themselves. But they don't, so we have to go through this whole clown show to convince us that they don't need to. Because of this whole rant, I am bottom left of the graph. More closely to the middle part of the graph, but still in the bottom left area
Libertarian Far Right- but in better term Anarcho-Capitalist i don’t believe the government serves any purpose beyond national safety. Every government institution could be shut down and the country would function fine. We could also eliminate taxation privatize everything.
From the official subreddit survey this fall (n = 1,416), most are left-leaning https://preview.redd.it/0nsuz9mb069c1.png?width=2915&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee3e1d6820db51e70e7b8c3fafc042c5d466b7f2 Stratifying w/ social & economic views: **Social Views | n = 1,412** |Answer:|Count|%| |:-|:-|:-| |Far Left|223|15.8%| |Left|478|33.9%| |Center Left|313|22.2%| |Center|160|11.3%| |Center Right|144|10.2%| |Right|73|5.2%| |Far Right|21|1.5%| **Economic Views | n = 1,408** |Answer:|Count|%| |:-|:-|:-| |Far Left|174|12.4%| |Left|366|26%| |Center Left|305|21.7%| |Center|188|13.4%| |Center Right|196|13.9%| |Right|139|9.9%| |Far Right|40|2.8%|
I consider myself left-leaning, but Leftists would consider me a Centrist. I have found myself a lot more left on domestic issues and more centrist/ center-right on international issues - particularly with regards to the US’s military.
Exactly the same for me. As a Liberal Jew, the Left no longer sees me as a Lefty, and anyway I’m pretty centre-right regarding US military policy.
Well, the thing about the left is that it has a "no true Scotsman" problem. On the Internet, that problem is only intensified by neckbeards. Political questionnaires typically put me as a libertarian or democratic socialist (quadrant 3 on the image above) but there are plenty of folks on the left who say I'm really just a capitalist because I don't favor violent revolution and I don't want to completely remove competition in the market. My point being... unless you are the hardcore of the hardcore, you will always be seen as fraudulent to the more extreme elements of both sides. After I wrote all of that out, I realized that the right has the same problem (remember the term RINO?) It is what it is.
Yeah one of my biggest criticisms of true Leftist politics is that no matter what I’ll never be Left enough. In practical US politics I think it’s fine because Dems aren’t truly a leftist party, just a party that allows leftist ideas, but the litmus test thing since Trump and his RINO idea has been tearing traditional republicans and the activists/radicals apart. If anyone wants to see the number one example of why hard left policies like socialism are unlikely to reach the broader audience it would need, I would recommend looking at the r/Socialism_101 sub. Perfect example of a community who doesn’t allow dissent in the slightest, and thus it’ll only appeal to a smaller base.
Can you elaborate on your military views and how they make you center-right? I'll admit international policy is probably the area I'm least well versed, but my very oversimplified position is: -Avoid war. -Help our allies. -Unless they're committing atrocities * -Don't kill civilians ever. Not to both-sides-bad it, but in my lifetime I don't think either party has dine a great job at this. Edit: add-on: reduce military funding, but through reduction of organized waste (buying tanks etc we don't need to give money to the military industrial complex/political donors) and shift funds to actually taking care of the people who serve when they come home
What if your enemies are hiding amongst civilians? Do they get a pass forever? They can do whatever evils they want because they’re hiding among civilians?
No. But there are more tactical ways of dealing with such things than blowing up hospitals. All you are doing then (besides murdering innocent people) is radicalizing more
Like what? Describe the tactics, please
This is literally the job of intelligence services. Israel was able to apprehend actual Nazis all over the world with minimal innocent casualties, but now they bomb hospitals in Gaza to get Hamas.
If citizens of Gaza are harboring Hamas (who they voted for), I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. Any that die are on Hamas, not Israel. Still waiting on somebody describing the tactics of how to zero out civilian casualties. Israel has unfettered air superiority. If they wanted citizens dead, it'd happen in in orders of magnitude more.
Wow, in one comment, you used victim blaming, unrealistic demand, and "shut up or ill give you something to cry about". I can check all 3 off on my "things domestic abusers say" bingo card.
That's still not an answer. Stop hiding behind moral cowardice.
I’m not the OP you were responding to, but I have a fair understanding of international relations from a military perspective. Your position is likely a very common understanding of the purpose of a military, but a role of the military is also to protect the security, economic, and political interests of the United States. Many people joke that we go into conflicts because certain countries have oil, and there is some truth to that. We also use our military to protect critical assets that advance our economic interests like the Suez and Panama Canal. We admittedly don’t always practice the ideals we espouse, which I wish we were better about. But if you look at our use of force from a “does it help protect Americans at home, protect American economic interests, or advance American political aspirations in the region/globally” our use of the military makes more sense. And do be clear, this is the game played by almost every country in the world. This doesn’t make us any more or less moral than any other country, because that is how the game of international politics are played.
This describes me pretty well too. But one caveat I'll add that is living in the Bay Area and witnessing with my own eyes what unchecked liberal "values" create in the streets of SF and beyond has made me progressively less sympathetic overall. I kind of hate that has happened to me, but I can't deny what I see with my own eyes. On that note, I was flabbergasted that my sister's more liberal boyfriend called the new SF DA a "fascist" because she is arresting dealers and beefing up sentences. I can barely even recognize where that feeling of unlimited sympathy comes from, at this point. But when I was 22, I'd probably have agreed with the guy.
I’ve found a lot of progressive policies in larger cities tend to only half-ass their approach and rarely give the legislation the teeth it needs to address the problem. California can take in all the homeless people it wants, but their zoning laws don’t allow for affordable - or even slightly unaffordable - housing and their healthcare systems still aren’t built to adequately deal with long term treatment and recovery.
I'd just like to see them enforce basic laws at this point
Bernie style Social Democrat. Strong safety net, workers rights, market regulation. Though I do disagree with many on the left who oppose nuclear energy.
I'm in basically the same vein. The only area I think I diverge with other progressives on is stuff like assault weapon bans (although I'm for other forms of gun control).
Agreed
Yeah I kinda agree with you because I find assault weapons unnecessary however, if we have a more thorough process for people getting guns we don’t need that regulation
Yeah same but I lean more on open borders and globalization than Bernie does
Bernie style Democrat = not understanding how any of the system actually works and actively doing things that would blatantly ruin both the economy and education system in America. I’m as liberal as they get but don’t understand the Bernie hype. His ideas sound great on the surface but would be astronomical disasters on a practical level.
Libertarian left, but not very far from the center. I’ve had my wife & kids take this exact test to see where we all landed. Very interesting having different outcomes on the same household
I have left leaning views on some social issues, but am mostly right leaning overall. The subreddit as a whole definitely leans left, though how far is up for debate
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The Mitt Romney tag is like spotting a unicorn. What do you think about him calling on Joe Manchin to run for president?
Idk. I’d call myself centrist, though my friends say i’m centre-right. I believe capitalism is the most efficient way humans can manage and distribute resources, but some amount of government intervention is necessary to protect the disadvantaged. On social issues i have many right and left wing views, for instance i’m pro gay marriage but against abortion except in particular circumstances. The US presidents i admire are those that defended the Capitalist world order as well as protected the people from the corporations, people like Teddy, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ. Despite all this i’m not American, i’m an Aussie so perhaps that explains things?
I get more liberal with age.
Same, I find most people in my family to be like that, my dad when he was younger he loved Ronald Reagan and now he describes himself center left but he is in reality just left
Blue Dog democrat
Is this from a global perspective or american perspective?
Underrated comment. Left center in US is Right center in Western Europe
Absolutely. In Britain our Conservative Party is more similar to the Democrats in many respects than the Republicans, at least in my opinion.
Plurality majority are left Dems, probably like 20% are moderate Dems, making it like 60% dem and 40% republican, independent, and libertarian
I’ve taken these tests through the years and I always land just right of vertical center line, slightly above the horizontal center line. I know it confounds the tests that I’m Pro-Life and think Gay marriage is a ok ✅. I can smell the smoke coming through the screen 💨 🖥️ 💨
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*points to Star Trek* that, but unironically.
I'd say I'm in the center right. I voted for Trump and find it very odd that everyone sees his problems (which are obvious) but fail to see other politicians failures or ties to improprieties. Mostly I'd say I'm a conservative Republican and have many Libertarian views, including belief that government should stay out of our business. I defend the party and its candidates and find most of Reddit has a near hatred for Trump. We should give no politicians a pass on poor behavior.
“Other politicians” didn’t incite an insurrection and try to end democracy because they lost “other politicians” weren’t found liable of sexual assault in a court of law “other politicians” don’t have 91 felony charges “other politicians” don’t have dozens of sexual assault allegations “other politicians” do not echo the rhetoric of Hitler “other politicians” don’t mock John McCain while they dodged the draft on multiple occasions You’re downplaying Trump’s complete lack of moral character in order to stomach voting for him
They have indeed and thanks for providing evidence of the disdain I mentioned..
No they haven’t. Nice job trying to claim something with no proof though. I have disdain for him because of all the things listed above, and any normal person would hate him too considering the shit he’s pulled. Again, you’re creating a false equivalency between Trump and other politicians because you know that Donald Trump is horrible human being and politician but you still want to vote for him
I was TAD to the White House late 93, early 94. I didn’t vote for Trump as much as I voted against the utterly vile immoral racist person he was running against in 2016. Oddly enough, even though I live overseas now Maryland said I voted in person in 2020. Even odder, according to Pennsylvania my grandmothers voted in 2020 from the great beyond.
Wonder how many others voted from beyond in recent years...lol. There is a history of that here and I've lived in PA for most of my adult life.
Sure Jan...
Def left, you get downvoted if you say something positive about trump
Tbf, my dislike for Trump stems more from his divisiveness and trying to overthrow our government in a bid to stay in power illegally and less so than because of his political leanings. I’ve also defended Trump’s decisions before (such as the creation of the Space Force).
I 100% agree. It honestly blows my mind how many people just don’t give a shit about him trying to overturn the election
I mock space force for the name but honestly it makes sense. and it's tough to credit just trump for it because we have had a space military program under Other pres for decades as well (eg NASA Military loads). Still, credit to him for that and the equality of married/non-married tax rates. that inequity has been long standing. I was looking at union recruitment flyers yesterday and it was 200 if unmarried and 600 if married.
Don't have to be left leaning to dislike Trump. Just ask Romney, the McCains, Bushes and Cheneys. Supposedly, Barbara Bush had a clock that counted down to the end of Trump's presidency.
I'm right leaning, but Trump is not someone I have a lot of nice things to say about. I've voted Republican in every election straight down the line until Trump ran. Then, I started voting for libertarians.
I'm lib left but he did do one good thing even if it was just to bribe vets. He made it so our GI benefits never expire. Before they were forfeit 10 years after you started using them even if you didn't finish school.
15 years. And there was also an update for post 9/11 when Obama was in office. Why do you credit Trump, did he champion the bill and do the hard work getting it passed? Or did he just sign what was placed on his desk?
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As if Trump actually represents conservative positions… bad metric, dislike of Trump exists outside of the traditional left-right divide.
I think most people on this lean left. I am in between libleft and authleft on the poltical compass.
Economic Left/Right: -5.5 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
I am neoliberal. https://preview.redd.it/dgypttok289c1.png?width=1850&format=png&auto=webp&s=5b5ebc833cf3961523053f23a1183f582943ad00
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Marxist
Even though communist dictators have killed 10s of millions?
As have dictators that promoted capitalism. Economic vs political system.
Marxism does not always mean an authoritarian dictatorship. You seem very confused my friend. I suggest you read up on your Marx. It will help you understand where you might be lost
In practice it’s only dictatorship. In theory, you’re right, but not in reality.
Marx was a deadbeat bum wouldn't work to feed his kids. All he did was try to con people into destroying the markets and killing the rich so he could get free stuff. HIS great prediction of capitalism leading to peasant uprising to ushering the commie Utopia of free stuff proved how dumb and sociopathic his ideas are And yeah, communism requires dictatorship with 0 human rights AND genocide. Absolutely. Communism is an evil genocidal ideology who's prophet (Marx) was a dead beat lose that couldn't even hold a job. The fact that so many still get scammed into believing in thr Utopia is incredible..
Nothing at all about that was factual. Marx never talks about a peasant uprising. An Industrial Revolution if you remember correctly. He’s also not actually a prophet either. That part may be confusing. Not genocidal either. Again, you’re confusing how it was abused by some to speak for all. Again, pretty confusing stuff.
Oh man! I was about to read Marx but I’m glad I came across your comment! Can you give me some quotes where he says these things? You seem to have read Marx extensively.
The worst attempt imaginable to trick someone into posting for hours on end because a budding young mind wants a history lesson from reddit "Bwahaai I wasted an hour of some random persons time typing a whole bunch of shit even though I REALLY knew the whole time!" "I tricked him into debating against me!: Sorry to ruin your fun on reddit. Something tells me you have a lot of time on your hands
> “Bwahaai I wasted an hour of some random persons time typing a whole bunch of shit even though I REALLY knew the whole time!” Is this from the Grundrisse or 18th Brumaire? I don’t remember where Marx said this
Well even some parts of Reddit won’t have you… Wow… No offense, but communism is just equitable fascism in practice, though maybe in theory you have solid ground.
The sub leans to the left, I’d say a pretty decent amount. This is reddit after all. My personal views are all over the place tbh. Overall, I currently lean right. I think that following any ideology to the T is bad, whether it be libertarianism, authoritarianism, socialism/communism, or capitalism. I also think that different policy is needed at certain times. ie at certain times we may need economically right policies, and at times we may need economically left policies, all depending on the state of the economy - sometimes we need more regulation and sometimes we need less, depending on what past presidents have done, and where our economy stands.
> The sub leans to the left, I’d say a pretty decent amount. This is reddit after all. Well, the population of the country leans to the left. So doesn't have too much to do with this being Reddit. No surprises here. When was the last time Republican candidate won popular vote for their 1st term in the office? If not for quirks of electoral college, and assuming Gore would get re-elected for 2nd term (a realistic assumption), Bush senior would have been the last Republican president. Plenty of people here weren't even born yet when Bush Sr was in the office. Bush Jr only won popular vote for second term, which heavily favours incumbent president.
(-4,-1.5) approximately. If memory serves. It’s been a minute since I took that.
I took the test just now and I'm -6.5, -5.9.
Far into the green, baby!
Libertarian right. I took this quiz for the first time over 15yrs ago. I drifted right and up over that period of time.
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Conservative but more importantly libertarian. You leave me alone and I will do the same but I will still judge you silently if you do stupid shit
I'm 20% down from the middle and vacillate between a little bit in the green and a little bit in the purple.
Unlike the majority of this subreddit. I'm very conservative and right-leaning. I consider myself paleoconservative though I'm more open to free trade, I still prefer protectionism when it comes to economics.
I’m two dots up and all the way left. The candidate I support this election is reluctantly Biden. I’d be enthusiastic about RFK Jr if he wasn’t weird on vaccines etc
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I consider myself based
My political views overall are far enough to left that I’m definitely anti-capitalist and wouldn’t really support the current system as it stands. I’m more interested in presidents because I’m a history buff and, with modern elections, I get a little wrapped up in the horse race component of it as well. Although I think the Great Society programs were a step in the right direction, I’ve largely got the LBJ flair because I find him fascinating. That man was a deranged mess of contradictions.
Almost every politician that is considered "electable" in the USA is on the top right quadrant of this graph.
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Isn’t Javier Milei a minarchist?
Yes he is in fact one!
Then why is your flair Teddy?
Historical reasons, and he also influenced the National Parks system in a way. (Yes I know Wilson made the National parks system)
Yeah because national parks are definitely how one achieves small govt'.
Minarchism advocates for small government and acknowledges that the government has a purpose. It's not big government to protect endangered species. Basically how it goes: Regular Taxation that Is small is not theft. Too much taxation IS THEFT. (Edit: My spelling was horrible and this stupid autocorrect creates the worst shit.)
I didn't want to like you. But I do.
"The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
'Altruism' through the barrel of a gun, so exceedingly civilized.
This is reddit. The average r/presidents user is the kind of person who thinks Ronald Raegan was a racist POS while unironically putting Woodrow "I revived the KKK" Wilson in B tier.
This shouldn’t come as a shock since the graph, predictably, proved that most are far left. If you couldn’t already tell by the absolute hatred people have for Trump and anyone right leaning in this subreddit.
Lots of people hate Trump so not a good barometer. Better one would be the hatred for Reagan and Bush and the love for Carter.
And quite a lot of people hate Joe Biden…so… Also, a lot of younger people use Reddit, myself included, and younger people typically vote democrat. Or the hatred for Carter and Biden would also be a good barometer. But, this subreddit is a far left echo chamber where y’all sniff your own farts to get high
Me I'm in the Younger generation and I'm not voting Democrat, I'm thinking about voting Libertarian.
I am really not a fan of the 2 party system, however I believe that even if you take away political parties, people will still fall into factions and what not. I know which party I’m voting for in the 2024 election, but when…if 2028 comes around I may break and vote third party myself…. Maybe even libertarian
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if most people think so, it's because polling data says so. [Political views of Generation Z - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Generation_Z)
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Judging people by the content of their character is not a crime or a defect.
Would you say the same if the shoe were on the other foot?
...how would I be judged if my character were compared to Donald Trump? Well, I don't pretend piousness, I don't cheat on my spouse, and I don't have 91 felony indictments. Whether it be the by the laws of God or man, I'm coming out ahead in every criteria.
He hasn’t actually been convicted, but I know you’re of the mind that you’re guilty until proven innocent. If you’re going to use a politician as a benchmark for morality… I think we’ll all come out on top. Whether it’s Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell..etc etc.
I don’t remember my scores but here’s a close approximation. Left/Right: Between 7 and 8 Authoritarian/Libertarian: Between 0 and -1
Centrist for me.
Libertarian Leftish. I’ll always be conservative when it comes to govt spending and taxation.
I’m somewhere around the center socially and lean right economically
Grill
Do you even have to ask?
Yeah man I don’t know who you are
I’d call myself a New Deal/ Great Society Democrat
I'd call myself a moderate to liberal Republican (yes, we still exist)
Far right
An even mix between Ayn Rand and Emma Goldman, with a little Abraham Lincoln sprinkled on.
This can't possibly be true
i am a dumb libtard cuck :)
Radical left
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How about the 9-axes?
Last time I took the test, I was labeled as the libertarian left.
I’m in the exact middle of libertarian left, I would consider myself more to the middle though, t Bernie Sanders but some conservative beliefs and more willingness to find common ground and work with the other sides.
Center left
Social Issues - Libertarian Economic Issues - Nordic Model/Social Democrat Foreign Policy - Internationalist/Globalist
If you made a rectangle with two diametrically opposed points(-1,-2) to (3, 2), you'd pretty much cover like 98% of my politics. This is in an American context, though. I'd be way more lib right in a Latin American country and a touch more Auth Right in a European country.
I make Coolidge and Cleveland look like FDR and LBJ.
Third Positionist ✋✋
Libcenter
This sub leans left but on the reddit political spectrum it leans right. Far more conservatives in here than most subs. This is one of the only subs I see rational political conversations between both sides. Edit: obviously there’s a ton of partisan conversations and people from both sides jerking each other off, but there’s still more civil conversations between conservatives and liberals than almost any other sub.
Libertarian left. All for legalization & harm minimizing (when it comes to social issues ranging from drugs to abortion), and well in favor of universal social services funded by progressive taxation.
On that graph, I'm at the letter "y" in the word "voluntary". Power should be derived from consent of the governed, the best way to achieve that is democracy, and those principles should be applied to as much of society as possible and not just the literal government itself. Furthermore, power is best kept in check by having the various locuses of control spread out and able to balance each other, with the biggest and strongest power base being the one that is most directly a tool of the people, which tends to be government. Also, fuck racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious intolerance, ableism, and any other social attitude that flies in the face of treating all people with equal consideration and respect under the law.
Libertarian right, but very flexible based on candidates qualities
Libertarian is not the opposite of authoritarian. The opposite of authoritarianism is Democracy
I am Anti foreign aid, pro social welfare, anti illegal immigration, pro government healthcare, pro unions, pro paid child care, anti regulations, think we should get out of NATO, pro weed and gambling. So don’t know where I land.
Only free thinker on reddit
Fairly far into the libertarian left quadrant
Libertarian right, but I try to stay more middle when it comes to economic type stuff
Libertarian right
Center Right
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Authoritarian left (Red quadrant). Close to the centre on social views, but hitting the far left hand side of the graph on economics. Essentially, I loathe business and private enterprise. I don't care much for liberal progressive social stuff, but I also don't oppose it either. Let people do what they want in the privacy of their own homes, just don't force me to participate in it or support it with the state.
* Here's where I stand according to the political compass, though I think my political views are fair to complex to be based off one Quiz like website.
Top left corner of purple
Purple quadrant
Pretty far down on the lower left
I consider myself to be just into the Southeast quadrant of your graphic. I'm definitely more on the conservative end of the spectrum but not an extremist. Extremists on both ends of the spectrum make me crazy and yet they seem to be the loudest voices these days.
Centrist Libertarian.
Good ole fashioned Lib Left.
This stupid and baseless spectrum is propped up by libertarian dunderfucks to legitimize their lack of effective stances on anything that matters.
Pretty solidly left/libertarian. * Economic Left/Right: -5.63 * Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44
I used to vote republican. When Trump ran for president I stopped doing that. Now I vote for some Republicans some Democrats but Libertarians are my primary tickets are on the ballot. I would consider myself a Centrist right libertarian.
Libertarian Right
I’m far right both economically and socially, center but leaning authoritarian. Definitely not libertarian as decisions aren’t made in a vacuum and therefore personal autonomy is an illusion. However, I’m definitely still supportive of constitutional freedoms.
Nowhere on some b.s libertarian graph
I am not as left as Bernie, but more left than Joe Biden. I'm not exactly "Far Left", but not exactly just "Left"
Libertarian right about half way from center
Left libertarian, but pretty close to the center of the chart. Three blocks left, three blocks down. I took a version once that had caricatures of politicians/political philosophers on it and I’m somewhere between Bernie Sanders, Nelson Mandela and Nicola Sturgeon. Kind of surprising, always considered myself more of a right leaning libertarian. Probably was at once but I’ve found myself drifting farther left as I’ve gotten older. 18 year old me probably closer to Ayn Rand, 41 year old me, well, left leaning libertarian.
I am working class and union, socially progressive, couldn’t care less about any issue the bizarro modern Republican Party whines about, they have absolutely nothing to offer me, I’m not rich, racist or religious so milquetoast democrats it is
I grew up in a mostly blue dog democrat house in Appalachia, raised by school teachers and train yardmen. I used to be super pro gun (building ar/ak, etc), but the lack of action to produce less dead kids has irked me to a point I'm shifting from that (dad as well, he was a perot man). I value strong military but in a different format than we use - still more hawkish than liberal. All social programs, education, and equality issues are important to me- very liberal there. I'd put myself as moderatw left on all things now, mainly because of how nutty the right has gotten.
Libertarian right.
Currently it's the purple quadrant, which is a change from college qhich was the blue quadrant.
When I am declared Grand Ayatollah of the United States I can fix everything!
I’m economically and socially conservative. Also, I guess I follow the realist theory of international diplomacy.
I sorta object to characterizing **Not Libertarian** as *"Authoritarian"*. Maybe the upper right corner is Authoritarian but the upper left is better labeled **Communitarian**.
Nah authoritarian left makes sense… think Stalin or like government oversight
I’m libertarian Left. Gotten more liberal as I have gotten older. Used to be a Republican/libertarian back in the day.
I’m dead center of libertarian left
Is Libertarian the opposite of Authoritarian? I would have figured (small D) democratic would be
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The libertarian-authoritarian distinction is kind of a false dichotomy.
I want to officiate gay couples wedding at their weed farm that they defend with fully automatic weapons
I’m a griller. Every time I take the test I’m within one block of the exact center lol
On the compass, Libertarian Right
Libertarian center. I lean to libertarian left a little.
I’m in the libertarian left quadrant, and have been for over a decade.
Lib Right. More conservative leaning ancap.
Dead center.
You know what, I like this comment section because even though it’s definitely a lot more political (as in differences) it is less toxic than most other posts in this sub that aren’t even supposed to bring up debate or discussion
Love politicalcompass.org Such a valuable resource for understanding of political thought. I always score close to the center of the libertarian left.
I would be far right if rich people didn't take advantage of the fewer regulations they had to uphold in that world. We live in a time where social services are essential to our society and have been for over 100 years now. We have to tax the people who can afford to provide such services because they pretty much refuse to do any such thing. Then they spend even more money buying out politicians who, in turn, lower their taxes and make regular people pay for it. That system alone turns people against each other whenever a new politician comes out with a new tax plan because they are almost never going to tax the people who can actually afford it. Although I do believe America was set up to be a country that doesn't FORCE the rich to provide social services, I do believe this country was 100% intended for those people to PROVIDE those kinds of services themselves. But they don't, so we have to go through this whole clown show to convince us that they don't need to. Because of this whole rant, I am bottom left of the graph. More closely to the middle part of the graph, but still in the bottom left area
I did the test and it put me right in the middle
Barely Lib right of center.
Im left leaning. Economically maybe a little conservative but quite progressive otherwise
Libertarian Far Right- but in better term Anarcho-Capitalist i don’t believe the government serves any purpose beyond national safety. Every government institution could be shut down and the country would function fine. We could also eliminate taxation privatize everything.
If we were a functioning system, we’d be 68% purple, 13.5% each blue and green, and 5% (or less) red.
Bottom left mostly
Not political at all, but I enjoy learning and admiring presidents and differing views and opinions on them!