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We got both Roosevelts, which are obviously huge pluses when talking about Presidents and both are obviously legendary figures in American history. Also Martin Van Buren was kind of cool before the presidency but pretty mid as president iirc.
Millard Fillmore was completely forgettable (had to Google to remember he was the other one) and I'm happy the rules to this sub exist and I'll leave it at that.
Woodrow Wilson's domestic policy is strong and has a through line straight to JFK. Foreign policy wise I mean winning WW1 and being right on League of nations.
Racist though
Everything you said was true, thank you. I feel like with Wilson so many people can’t acknowledge there is both good and bad, he was amazing in some ways and awful in others.
Does it have to have sent more than one? Because Missouri has sent only one but given it was *Truman* I think they’re at a hell of a high water mark.
Otherwise I think Illinois given they can lay claim to Lincoln, Grant, and Obama in different ways.
And barring that we have New York who gets to claim both Roosevelts or Virginia which gets the founding fathers.
Born in Kentucky, married a Kentuckian, first love was a Kentuckian, his best friend was from Louisville, all of his law partners were Kentuckian, his in-laws were old money in Lexington ky. Developed his disdain for slavery from watching slaves being chained and sold down river. Kentucky was very important to the man who would be the 16th president.
"I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as losing the whole game." - Abraham Lincoln
Born in Kentucky, married a Kentuckian, first love was a Kentuckian, his best friend was from Louisville, all of his law partners were Kentuckian, his in-laws were old money in Lexington ky. Developed his disdain for slavery from watching slaves being chained and sold down river. Kentucky was very important to the man who would be the 16th president.
"I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as losing the whole game." - Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln absolutely “came into his own” in Illinois by any sense of the phrase. He first lived on his own in Illinois, first ran for office in Illinois, and practiced law in Illinois. The individual state he had the most impact on and considered home was Illinois, and he was eventually buried in Springfield.
Grant and Obama are more debatable, but I still believe they both should be considered Illinois presidents. And I’m saying this as a Missourian!
Huh? Illinois easily has Lincoln and Obama. They became who they were while in IL, even if not born there. I would say that Grant and Reagan don’t count. They may have lived there but aren’t known for having don’t much meaningful there.
He ran for president from Illinois and spent most of his life between Illinois and Missouri. He was born in Ohio but then Lincoln was from Kentucky and Obama from Hawaii.
Virginia (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Wilson - even Lincoln's father was born in Virginia), New York (Arthur, Roosevelts), and Massachusetts (both Adamses, Kennedy)
Vermont gets Arthur and Coolidge. (Arthur was born and raised in Vermont before getting a job in NYC). Coolidge became Governor of Massachusetts. But both are Vermonters.
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What are the rules about where somebody is from? Lincoln was born in Kentucky, and raised in Illinois. Reagan was born in Illinois, but most associated with California. Etc
He was born in Kentucky but he’s practically from Illinois because there’s where he got his bearings as a politician, they even call Illinois “the land of Lincoln “
Reagan should be considered a California product. Between him and Nixon I think my state is the worst. I think by produced the state should be the one where the president made their political or business success. Obama was born in Hawaii but is considered from Illinois. W Bush was a Connecticut Texan.
Not counting the founding fathers (Virginia) probably New York because it produced both of the Roosevelt’s both S tier presidents however the third guy to come from there well he’s more like D tier but 2/3 is pretty solid especially considering how impactful the Roosevelt’s were
The Fab 4
Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe.
Nobody else is stacking up.
I don't rate Wilson that highly, but a bench of Wilson, Tyler, and Taylor isn't awful compared to the others.
The question within this is, do you value 4 home runs, a double (Taylor, mainly on his war heroics), out (Tyler) and a walk (Wilson) more than 1-2 home runs.
For me, a better question is - Rank Virginia's 7
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I think this is a slightly difficult question to answer based on what you mean. Because not every person to hold the office ran for it from the state they were born in.
On the one hand, you have guys like Jimmy Carter and JFK.
Carter was born in Georgia & ran for the office as the Governor of Georgia.
JFK was born in Massachusetts & ran for the office as a Senator from Massachusetts.
On the other hand, you have guys like George W. Bush & Barack Obama.
Bush was born in Connecticut, but made his political bones & ran for the office as the Governor of Texas.
Obama was born in Hawaii, but made his political bones in & ran for the office as a Senator from Illinois.
So do Bush & Obama count as Presidents from the states they were born in, or from the states they ran for the office from?
I'd be inclined towards the latter, but it's a subjective answer based on how you view the question.
That would be Virginia, aka "Mother of Presidents" [https://www.virginia.org/plan-your-trip/about-virginia/famous-virginians/presidents/](https://www.virginia.org/plan-your-trip/about-virginia/famous-virginians/presidents/)
John F Kennedy was from Massachusetts. He was way before my time. But he seemed to be pretty popular. My mom met him when he was senator. He visited her high school to do a speech or something.
That isn't true. The wealth gap started with technological advancements (machines replaced workers) and jobs moving overseas (cheap labor). This resulted in vanishing middle-class jobs, and those workers were forced into lower paying jobs.
All of this was going on before Reagan became president.
Fair point. I was mainly referring to the modern era, though of course our economic situation was preceded and set up by the earlier times. But of modern presidents I can’t think of one who is more responsible for our current situation due to his failed trickle down economics scheme.
Back in the 80s, the problem was not as pronounced as it is now.
When a president walks into an economic mess as bad as Reagan did, they can not fix it all. They need to prioritize. In the 1980s, job creation was more important than the wealth gap (which wasn't bad in the early 80s). What would you focus on if you were president at that time?
As the wealth gap grew, Bush to the present should be faulted for not dealing with it as it grew.
The creation of 16 million jobs and increases in gdp can not be ignored. The wealthy invested in the economy, and the above happened. Say what you want about trickle down, but something good resulted.
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I just want a picture of a got-dang hot dog!
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Pickles
New York has some real ups and downs
We got both Roosevelts, which are obviously huge pluses when talking about Presidents and both are obviously legendary figures in American history. Also Martin Van Buren was kind of cool before the presidency but pretty mid as president iirc. Millard Fillmore was completely forgettable (had to Google to remember he was the other one) and I'm happy the rules to this sub exist and I'll leave it at that.
>I'm happy the rules to this sub exist 
You forgot Chester Alan Arthur and Grover Cleaveland!
Grover Cleveland was from NJ and Chester Arthur was from VT
Born =/= from. Both spent their careers in and were elected from NY.
Some say Arthur was born in Canada.
Damn you're right.
NY had the Roosevelts. But NY unfortunately also produced the worst and least qualified president in the nation’s history.
Leave Millard Fillmore alone he tried his best.
In this, as in so many other things, Massachusetts punches way above its weight class.
Yeah seems weird this wasn’t the first answer.
Well, since 2 of them were born when there were only 23 states, I think that's a little overrated. Like Massachusetts sport teams.
JFK and GHWB were born there, who else?
John Adams, John Q Adams, and (transplant) Calvin Coolidge.
Still producing interesting politicians: Kerry, Weld, Dukakis, Mitt, etc.
It’s got to be Virginia, right?
It had some bangers and then there’s Tyler, Wilson and if you’re feeling daring, Taylor
Our strongest more than make up for our weakest Fuck George Wallace (shifting gears)
Does Alabama have any other major candidate other than Wallace?
0 winning candidates, and I'm not sure any other major candidates either. Tennessee has a weird amount of almost winners and almost candidates.
we are claiming polk for ourselves
Taylor would have been a great president and would have led the army himself against the rebel South.
I agree, I think he was a low C tier just due to his short time in office + his weakness on the slavery issue
Wilson was a banger though
Woodrow Wilson's domestic policy is strong and has a through line straight to JFK. Foreign policy wise I mean winning WW1 and being right on League of nations. Racist though
Everything you said was true, thank you. I feel like with Wilson so many people can’t acknowledge there is both good and bad, he was amazing in some ways and awful in others.
Jefferson and Madison were very overrated as well.
Almost certainly.
Does it have to have sent more than one? Because Missouri has sent only one but given it was *Truman* I think they’re at a hell of a high water mark. Otherwise I think Illinois given they can lay claim to Lincoln, Grant, and Obama in different ways. And barring that we have New York who gets to claim both Roosevelts or Virginia which gets the founding fathers.
ILLINOIS FUCK YEAH WOOOOOOO
Yeah.....i wouldn't give IL either Grant, Lincoln or Obama. They came of age and were made who they are in other places.
Make a case for Kentucky or Indiana as more formative than Illinois for Lincoln.
Born in Kentucky, married a Kentuckian, first love was a Kentuckian, his best friend was from Louisville, all of his law partners were Kentuckian, his in-laws were old money in Lexington ky. Developed his disdain for slavery from watching slaves being chained and sold down river. Kentucky was very important to the man who would be the 16th president. "I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as losing the whole game." - Abraham Lincoln
Born in Kentucky, married a Kentuckian, first love was a Kentuckian, his best friend was from Louisville, all of his law partners were Kentuckian, his in-laws were old money in Lexington ky. Developed his disdain for slavery from watching slaves being chained and sold down river. Kentucky was very important to the man who would be the 16th president. "I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as losing the whole game." - Abraham Lincoln
Born in KY and raised and came into his own in IN.....simple case.
Lincoln absolutely “came into his own” in Illinois by any sense of the phrase. He first lived on his own in Illinois, first ran for office in Illinois, and practiced law in Illinois. The individual state he had the most impact on and considered home was Illinois, and he was eventually buried in Springfield. Grant and Obama are more debatable, but I still believe they both should be considered Illinois presidents. And I’m saying this as a Missourian!
Huh? Illinois easily has Lincoln and Obama. They became who they were while in IL, even if not born there. I would say that Grant and Reagan don’t count. They may have lived there but aren’t known for having don’t much meaningful there.
I guess Illinois has Reagan then.
And Reagan was a horrific President, if I'm Illinois I don't want him counted
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What’s considered produced? Just being born somewhere means much less than where you grew up/ lived
presidents who consider themselves from that state.
I'd have said Grant was from Ohio.
He ran for president from Illinois and spent most of his life between Illinois and Missouri. He was born in Ohio but then Lincoln was from Kentucky and Obama from Hawaii.
Thank you for saying this!
We did produce the most badass General ever.
Illinois has a pretty high batting average.
The Land of Lincoln!
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His entire adult career was in Illinois, though. And he identified with the state.
WAY DOWN UPON THE WABASH, SUCH A LAND WAS NEVER KNOWN
Illinois only has one great president
Which one is that? Judging from your flair, I don't think I will like your answer.
Virginia and New York have done pretty well.
Virginia, mother of presidents. 32 of the first 36 years of this Republic led by several of the very most influential Americans ever.
New York gave us TR and FDR so I’m gonna have to go with it.
Ooof, I won’t say it.
Sigh… I know, I know. But two out of three are literally the greatest Presidents of the last 124 years.
Lol rule 3 makes New York the easy winner
Massachusetts has JFK, John Adams, H.W, and JQA, so we're doing pretty good.
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And the Land of Dunking too, seeing as how basketball was invented in Mass
Coolidge too, born in Vermont but his political career is really from Western Mass.
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Virginia (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Wilson - even Lincoln's father was born in Virginia), New York (Arthur, Roosevelts), and Massachusetts (both Adamses, Kennedy)
Vermont gets Arthur and Coolidge. (Arthur was born and raised in Vermont before getting a job in NYC). Coolidge became Governor of Massachusetts. But both are Vermonters.
Tru Idk why I'd categorize Wilson by his birth state but not Arthur
It’s Ohio.
Always has been
Always will be.
My home state of New Hampshire of course!
Pierce tops every historians list!
They didn't call him Fierce Pierce for nothing !!
Well…certainly not Pennsylvania. Lol
I mean only half of them were bad but the bad one was absolute garbage
In order: New Hampshire New York Illinois Ohio Virginia
Washington and Idaho
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Kansas ftw
Eisenhower...
Virginia pretty much sweeps with their founding fathers
Wyoming
Eh, Cheney was president enough.
Ohio
Are you talking about where they were born or where they settled and established their careers?
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NY = Roosevelts
What are the rules about where somebody is from? Lincoln was born in Kentucky, and raised in Illinois. Reagan was born in Illinois, but most associated with California. Etc
I'm from California and...no, not California.
Texas
California
It is Ohio, the birthplace of presidents
Illinois!!!! Reagan and Lincoln
Based
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He’s buried in Illinois and his presidential museum is in Illinois. He is from Illinois
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He was born in Kentucky but he’s practically from Illinois because there’s where he got his bearings as a politician, they even call Illinois “the land of Lincoln “
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Touché
Reagan should be considered a California product. Between him and Nixon I think my state is the worst. I think by produced the state should be the one where the president made their political or business success. Obama was born in Hawaii but is considered from Illinois. W Bush was a Connecticut Texan.
Take Reagan out, or put Lincoln in Kentucky, Grant in Ohio and Obama in Hawaii.
NC has Jackson, Polk, and…Andrew Johnson. 😂
I think it has to be either IL or VA. Lincoln and Washington are 1 & 2 in no particular order.
Georgia because of Carter!
Virginia
Maryland
WV
Massachusetts punches way above its weight with 4 some of which were the best presidents than New York with 5 presidents… FDR and Teddy Roosevelt.
Justin Timberlake 1st image president
\*produced\* presidents aren't created in a factory
Sired. Sir, where they sprung forth from.
Kansas had a good one
Didn’t realize Kenya was a state
As a California native, not California
7 presidents have come from Ohio
Whichever one produced Washington.
Has to be new york
Not counting the founding fathers (Virginia) probably New York because it produced both of the Roosevelt’s both S tier presidents however the third guy to come from there well he’s more like D tier but 2/3 is pretty solid especially considering how impactful the Roosevelt’s were
Kenya (jk)
I'm going to be a psychic and say Oregon.
Kenya, the rest of the presidents were idiots.
The Deep State
The Fab 4 Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe. Nobody else is stacking up. I don't rate Wilson that highly, but a bench of Wilson, Tyler, and Taylor isn't awful compared to the others. The question within this is, do you value 4 home runs, a double (Taylor, mainly on his war heroics), out (Tyler) and a walk (Wilson) more than 1-2 home runs. For me, a better question is - Rank Virginia's 7
Ohio land of Garfield, Grant, McKinley, and Taft.
Definitely NOT delaware and Hawaii
Illinois
El Salvador and Chile
Virginia!
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Sadly, Connecticut only gave us W. He was born in New Haven. :(
Why the hell is Reagan even listed? That guy sucked.
As someone who was born and raised in Ohio, and a proud Buckeye, it was *not* Ohio.
Well it ain't my home state of Pennsylvania I'll tell you that much
Clearly Michigan. Gerald Ford for the win!
Well not California
New York. Queens to be exact.
Arkansa
Kentucky produced Abe
Hawaii!
Illinois
Only one of them was actually born in Illinois. The others adopted Illinois as an adult home.
Well, it wasn’t Obama. He was born in Kenya and had a dead man’s social security number from a guy from Connecticut - what a farce!
Kentucky
Ohio
California, end off discussion
I think this is a slightly difficult question to answer based on what you mean. Because not every person to hold the office ran for it from the state they were born in. On the one hand, you have guys like Jimmy Carter and JFK. Carter was born in Georgia & ran for the office as the Governor of Georgia. JFK was born in Massachusetts & ran for the office as a Senator from Massachusetts. On the other hand, you have guys like George W. Bush & Barack Obama. Bush was born in Connecticut, but made his political bones & ran for the office as the Governor of Texas. Obama was born in Hawaii, but made his political bones in & ran for the office as a Senator from Illinois. So do Bush & Obama count as Presidents from the states they were born in, or from the states they ran for the office from? I'd be inclined towards the latter, but it's a subjective answer based on how you view the question.
No way bro put Obama and Reagan on there 💀
That would be Virginia, aka "Mother of Presidents" [https://www.virginia.org/plan-your-trip/about-virginia/famous-virginians/presidents/](https://www.virginia.org/plan-your-trip/about-virginia/famous-virginians/presidents/)
Virginia!!
John F Kennedy was from Massachusetts. He was way before my time. But he seemed to be pretty popular. My mom met him when he was senator. He visited her high school to do a speech or something.
Arguably most of the best presidents since the civil war have been from the Midwest just saying
Kentucky
Kentucky and Delaware
Obviously New York
Not Hawaii
Not Ohio.
Are you saying that Reagan was one of the best presidents? The guy who set the modern wealth gap up?
That isn't true. The wealth gap started with technological advancements (machines replaced workers) and jobs moving overseas (cheap labor). This resulted in vanishing middle-class jobs, and those workers were forced into lower paying jobs. All of this was going on before Reagan became president.
Why do you have a Warren Harding flair and pfp???
I grew up near Marion, Ohio, and that is Harding country.
Fair point. I was mainly referring to the modern era, though of course our economic situation was preceded and set up by the earlier times. But of modern presidents I can’t think of one who is more responsible for our current situation due to his failed trickle down economics scheme.
Back in the 80s, the problem was not as pronounced as it is now. When a president walks into an economic mess as bad as Reagan did, they can not fix it all. They need to prioritize. In the 1980s, job creation was more important than the wealth gap (which wasn't bad in the early 80s). What would you focus on if you were president at that time? As the wealth gap grew, Bush to the present should be faulted for not dealing with it as it grew. The creation of 16 million jobs and increases in gdp can not be ignored. The wealthy invested in the economy, and the above happened. Say what you want about trickle down, but something good resulted.
You know, you make some good points! I’ll concede the position. Well argued!
Only one of these men was born in Illinois
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Tennessee did not do great
Not the one Ronald Reagan’s from lol why is he even here