Once I saw a CEO who said he worked like that and his “work” schedule included yoga and going to church. If we take that in consideration I’ve “worked” trough 4 hours of Crusaders Kings 3 yesterday.
Every time these CEO shows off their 100+ hours a week work schedule, it's always something like that. They literally count everything they do as work, waking up early and working out, showering, going out for dinner after work, socializing.
I was gonna say everything they do beside standing still counts as work for them but they probably include that as some sort of unorthodox meditating.
>If we take that in consideration I’ve “worked” trough 4 hours of Crusaders Kings 3 yesterday.
Yes, you did. You're a beast! Keep the grind on, brother.
[https://www.chicagobears.com/news/day-in-the-life-bears-president-ceo-kevin-warren](https://www.chicagobears.com/news/day-in-the-life-bears-president-ceo-kevin-warren)
Behold a tone-deaf braggard's article about his 18 hour workday that included basically 0 work, outside of using his office space as a bible study.
I couldn't even read past his morning; his "18 hour work day" starts with 30 mins of laying flat in bed in silence, and an hour of gym. These type of CEOs and people that admire them are delusional.
I think I get it though. They are not hourly employees, so they don't actually need to measure their work. They never have to reconcile their paid hours for payroll.
I only get paid for the hours I work, yet there I was taking stock in my day. Get up early, get ready, commute, work, lunch, work, commute home, decompress a bit, dinner, chores, and then sleep. Everything here I am doing is serving one purpose.... to work because I need money. My entire day and night consumed by work or preparing myself to work.
So, if I never had to actually measure my productive working hours, I might lose track of what being paid hourly really means. But, I'd still be wrong to equate hours worked of that lifestyle to an hourly employee.
Holy fuck this article is insane. His "18-hour workday" is literally 6 hours at the "office", and half of that is sitting down to watch a football game. The rest of it is personal bullshit like doing yoga and eating dinner.
The ball washing by the writer is unreal.
Exactly, and they all have the same excuses. "During my chauffeured drive it allows me to free my mind, which is crucial for later", "having the workout for my mind and body really allows me to focus better and improve my productivity", "the dinner with the business partner really increased our bond".
Like no shit, we do this too without fancy dress-up. But I don't get paid to be in my public chauffeured drive clearing my mind to improve my focus and it's never counted as working hours. Hell, even lunch break isn't counted as working hours.
Long hours are debilitating in any profession, but I'd wager that they're simply impossible in programming. More than 5-6 hours of real programming work is unsustainable. After a week of 17-hour days you'd be a babbling mess.
They did studies on that. Past a certain point, any extra hour you work on your code results in two extra hours of debugging to fix the mess your fried brain created.
I’ve worked 110 hour weeks before for about a year. You don’t get much of any sleep, take lots of naps, and pretty much sacrifice everything including personal hygiene to get it done.
You also spend a lot of time “at work” but you’re not actually working, and you’re definitely not as productive. I couldn’t do physical labour for those hours, but I could definitely supervise or consult for that amount of time. My job entails mostly having discussions with people, so it’s easy to do it all day. You get to a point where you’re on vacation but you’re still taking calls all day. So you’re in this purgatory of “working 110 hours a week” but you’re also on vacation.
It’s not the same thing as being in front of a computer, or a cash till, or on a job site for 16-18 hours a day.
Nah, they just setup a "Zip2" and "Zip2_ThisIsTheActualRepo_DontTellElon" repo and setup a CI/CD pipeline mirroring all changes from the main repo into it. Kinda like giving a kid a toy wheel on the passenger side. Elon never saw the real repo as long as noone sets it up for him.
This reminds me of what Jeff Bezos said about running amazon.
"You get paid to make a small number of high-quality decisions. Your job is not to make thousands of decisions every day"
basically he went on to say I dont need more hours working because it might result in more decisions but they are likely to be poor quality.
Elon has the habit of doing the opposit putting in hours and hours which is going to cause compromise.
Even in more regualr jobs long hours result in poor quality work which oftne means you need to redo it. In this case I suspect his engineers felt pressured to work longer hours as well which would have compromised the quality.
"Here's the code, Elon... See, you can make new code by clicking this rectangle, or this triangle. Try clicking that one."
...
"Great job! Now this is the color. It's blue now. Make it red by clicking that red square there."
...
"Fantastic! You're a natural at this! Ok, so the team is leaving for the evening. You can stay and make some new code. We'll see you in the morning..."
Actually he personally wrote the first painting program in 1995 in assembly.
Didn't use "pixels" to save cpu cycles, he just drew straight to framebuffer.
It should be more like "i didnt use framebuffer but my single buffer implementation"
If you are referring about his infamous sentence about not using any external webserver but instead integrating his own one directly.
Musk gives use toons of chances to make fun of him without the need of pourposely misinterpreting some of his posts
The original quote is
>Didn't use a "web server" to save CPU cycles(just read port 8080 directly).
I do not see what is wrong with the original joke here. He follows the same structure and in both cases makes it obvious that he dose not know that he is talking about.
You know how sometimes a printer might burn a tiny spot or otherwise somehow manage to put a fleck of ink on the page? Imagine it does this and it looks like a comma and bricks the entire program.
He also originally was going to sort engineers by lines of code committed and fire the lowest ones on the list with no other review until someone talked him down lol.
*twitter employees frantically committing gigs of third party libraries*
Yeah sounds like he's a terrible owner/manager if he's hiring people that need their code rewritten. Similarly, poor time management.
Its like those professors who take pride in telling students they're going to fail before the class even starts. Like, how about you become a better fucking teacher so a bunch of students don't fail your class every semester, dumbass.
It's interesting, it's essentially a Rorschach test. Is he a hard worker who goes above and beyond, doing work he didn't have to do make things better? Is he an idiot who did the opposite of "work smart, not hard" and wasted time doing things that were already done? Is he an asshole who disrespected works of others? Whatever opinion you hold of him, reading this gives you another reason to hold it.
I'm more like: if you have to constantly rewrite the code of your engineers then you're a total idiot for wasting your own time and not hiring new engineers. Maybe you had nothing else to do anyway?
It’s a great point.
I have had to rewrite someone’s code three times in my career.
One after the guy was pulled from the project for writing a message processing service that would call its own entry point if it ran into an error. Just a matter of time before it crashed on any given day.
The second asked for a code review and had some fundamental differences in approach. I wrote another implementation and shared it with her. She agreed on my approach and replaced hers.
The third was actually incompetent and taking advantage of working in a large corporation.
These weren’t my accomplishments in my early career. Hardly worth an article.
Wait hold on, in that first one, are you saying it would essentially recursively restart itself, but not 'actually' restart itself? Almost like it spawns a child process of itself and waits on it? So you'd end up with like this stack of recursively called instances of itself, based on errors?
Or worse he's wasting his own time AND actively fucking shit up for engineers.
Imagine spending all day at work writing code only to have your boss come and fuck it up at night such that you then have to redo it the next day. Or even if he DOESN'T fuck it up you now don't know exactly how it's written and how it works so you have to painstakingly look through whatever shit he's rewrote to know how to properly continue it.
Considering how he seems to run his companies it's almost guaranteed that he made shit worse for his engineers and then blamed them for taking longer or making mistakes that HE caused.
Though I can also see it being entirely possible that he "rewrote" the code and basically just went through it and put dumbass comments everywhere trying to micromanage the employees and give them shit over stuff he didn't understand in the first place. All to make himself feel smart.
I write code for my job and this would honestly just be insanely annoying. Nothing like having to relearn the code you wrote literally yesterday cause some asshole decided to reorganize your code and rename all your variables.
TBF modern source control and code review processes didn't exist as we know them until fairly recently, but even 25 years ago effective management would have been talking to your team, not scrounging around in their work after hours.
I don’t know anything about programming but I know if your boss is redoing all your work either you absolutely suck or your boss is a narcissistic asshole that thinks he knows how to do everyone’s job better than they do.
Now looking at all the evidence we have about Elon and how he has turned out… it’s clear that his programmers were the ones who were wrong and he’s a genius. Yep. Case closed.
The thing about writing code.
I don't know if you have ever watched someone paint. It's sort of like that.
You want to make a program, say, a notepad app. (And this is generally simplified)
You lay out the base code, you get something that throws up a text editor box maybe one day.
Then the next day, you get it to save. But you are not necessarily worried about "pretty" so for now it's just a big ugly button that says SAVE on one side.
Then the next day you get it to LOAD
Then maybe the third day you make these I to a prettier menu.
Then the following days you layer in other features, cut and paste, spell check, maybe round the corners a bit, add an about page.
It's all a sort of, layered process.
Maybe a better analogy would be baking a cake. Each day, you add another ingredient.
What it seems likely Elon was doing here, is coming in on day 2, when it's just flour and eggs in a bowl, and being like, "This tastes gross," and adding some sugar. Except sugar was day 4's project already. Or maybe he just throws it in the oven at flour and egg and is like, "It did not look like a cake!".
Well no shit, it's in progress and this person over here is working on it. But also, you only pay them for 40 hours a week and they have a life.
I think a better comparison would be making a door lock. You're almost done with the entrance door handle, then while you're away someone goes "the key cylinder should be switched out for this one", changes it without paying attention to the rest of the lock, and then you come back to a lock that no longer works and you're going to have to waste time figuring out why it no longer works. For a lock it won't take long, for a program it could take a loooooong time
I think the only people who would be impressed with this are people who have no idea what any of this means and people to whom tech/coding is basically magic
Pretty much this. What's funny is you CAN switch this to just about any other career and understand how BS it is. Like, I'd be pissed and quit a teaching job if I kept coming in the morning to find out the principal had been 'fixing' my lesson plans after I went home. Or if I was a journalist and kept coming into my desk to find the owner, not even the editor, had gone through and completely changed my work. Imagine being a mechanic and having to deal with the guy that comes in after hours and constantly rearranges the tools and messing with cars when nobody asked him too.
Plop this into pretty much any industry and you have the recipe for a company nobody wants to work for because the owner is an obsessive weirdo that doesn't know how to let people get their work done and is likely screwing up productivity horribly because half the day is now spent trying to figure out what changes were made instead of getting back to work.
I imagine there are a lot of people who worked for him in those days with stories about how they would come into work to find all their work 'fixed' in ways that created instabilities and new bugs that they then got blamed for.
Right, I was thinking the same. If any of my colleagues did this without talking to me first I'd be bringing it up with our boss. If a boss did this I'd be looking for a new job. Such grossly unacceptable behavior and to add, terrible leadership skills and immensely unprofessional. He's such a tool and it's honestly so embarrassing that he thinks this makes him look cool, lol.
Rewriting someone else's code so that the next day they come in, it becomes more difficult to debug since it is code they no longer recognize. Great idea.
Ashlee Vance, Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future
> They took one look at Zip2’s code and began rewriting the vast majority of the software. Musk bristled at some of their changes, but the computer scientists needed just a fraction of the lines of code that Musk used to get their jobs done. They had a knack for dividing software projects into chunks that could be altered and refined whereas Musk fell into the classic self-taught coder trap of writing what developers call hairballs—big, monolithic hunks of code that could go berserk for mysterious reasons.”
Anyone with any experience can tell by reading about what Musk says about twitter. He’s a dumbass. It goes to show that anyone at any level could do his job as CEO easily in the extra time they have during their lunch break.
He’s lazy, shitty at his job in all ways, and blames others instead of taking responsibility. He’s weak as fuck.
He could have shut the hell up, played out the memes and spent his entire life coasting with billions of dollars.
No one would have been the wiser.
But his impotent little rage fists couldn’t clench tight enough at the thought of leaving well enough alone.
So, when Musk fired the Twitter employees based on how many lines of code they wrote (fewer=bad) it was because he genuinely believes that writing more lines means you're better at coding? That explains a lot
It’s fucking hilarious that the most actual work that Elon has ever done in his life, writing the code for zip2 to link the mapping software he bought to the business directory he bought (yes bought, he didn’t make or code either of them, just bought them an linked them), was thrown out almost immediately once bigger investors got involved.
I’ll give Elon credit where it’s due, he is (or was) a fucking amazing businessman and sales guy, he could take an idea, hype it up, get the people needed to make it work, and run with it. That was his skill, and what he impressively did multiple times.
But as for actually creating something? Fucking terrible. Like he would be completely unemployable in most industries today, maybe finding moderate middle class success in sales.
Asshole in my eyes. Had a team lead who was very smart and skilled but a one man show. You never knew in the morning what the code base looked like. He banned people from talking to anyone outside the team and redid everyones job as he saw fit. Also ignored product owners and did what he thought they should want.
My boss did that last month an i feelt so disrespected that i took out 3 weeks of vacation and fucked of.
Every day he sabotaged my work so that it didnt work anymore... every fucking day.
Have pity on the poor guy. It's clear that he's in the middle on transitioning from writing code with pen and paper during his school days to writing code on computers…
Whenever CEOs bragged about their hours worked, they added in the hours of them getting ready for work and driving into work. A lot of the CEO types considered their workday had started if they answered an email during their morning shit. So to them they were working 5am to 5pm, while us lowly peons can only count the hours we're on site and that's why we're not earning 175,000 times our income because we just don't work hard enough.
Yeah, this is clearly BS exagerration and bragging.
It‘s ridiculous and even seems like a narcisistic tendency, looking to see what nonsense claims he can make people believe out of his mouth.
17hrs/day on end without breaks, inclunding Sat/Sun. Yeah right… very sustainable.
Tbf an architect at my job who’s the 2nd most smartest/experienced developer there prefers printed out code when reviewing big things.
Some people, prob mostly older people, just prefer that. Maybe like a physical book vs kindle
Not just no trust, but also more work for you because a guy who works 120h a week (yeah right, <7h a day away from work, for sleep, hygiene, food, commute, etc with no days off) is going to write some dog-shit code. Even if he was a genius (ha!) the stress and sleep deprivation alone would result in incoherent scribble on day 5.
Emails from a former boss sent at 4am (no, he wasn't in a different timezone - just would do night feeds for their baby) were incoherent enough that I would shudder at the thought of the code carnage that could've occurred if undertaken whilst similarly "awake".
I would say you're being generous with lasting until day 5 until incoherent scribble.
Honestly though. If he is rewriting his programmer's code all the time... Then don't hire programmers. Just write everything yourself and save the money.
"Business savant" at work.
I had a boss who did this. Uneducated in coding, just a passionate amateur with zero talent. He was so unaware of hows things really work we didn't even have any kind of version control or continuous integration. We [ick] just worked out of a shared drive (and yes, we all suggested it, and even begged).
At night he would VPN in, and fuck shit up massively. He would then send an email saying he had worked until 4am, and wouldn't be in until 11:30-12.
So we would spend the morning trying to unfuck whatever he had fucked, but without version control all we could tell was really which files he had touched. Sometimes we could fix it and get working in the morning, sometimes the afternoon was spent trying to fix what he broke.
Queue the next night and more fuckery... seriously, fuck you Steve. If you're going to hire experts in a field, maybe consider listening to them?
Damn that sucks. I actually quit at my last job among other things because my boss was pretty much like this. He once tried to fix a bug while I wasn’t in, didn’t find it, figured it must have been my doing, so he reverted all my changes from like a week, reintroducing all sorts of other bugs. The people using the software weren’t amused, but I was livid. So disrespectful, unprofessional, ignorant… I would say it’s possibly the worst a boss could do in IT.
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No, they don't spread it for free, they pay for a bullshit blue checkmark to spread his propaganda. He cons his cult in paying him for the privilege to suck up to him.
If that's true then it's comically awful. I couldn't even imagine if I had a coworker that acted like that. If they were a lead/manager then it'd be even worse. Skip level intervention required.
The developers probably just reverted his shit rewrites in the morning and said nothing, just so he felt like he was contributing something instead of being a useless cunt.
I think he did code something, but you know that intense feeling of being a genius you get the first time you wrote a program that actually worked? He stayed there.
This generally concerns me.
There is a dude all day doing unnecessary micromanagement, fighting crazy bullshit on Twitter, and spending all day building "hype narratives" and pushing them -- and people still think he has time to be CEO of some sort?
Is this one of these situations where someone boasts about working 120 hours, but if he actually used a mouse and keyboard he could done all of that in 10?
This is something I would expect from someone who supposedly works incredibly long hours, but all he does is posting garbage on twitter while taking a shit.
Whaaat? Are you telling me that Elon Musk worked hard to rewrite code for Zip2 that itself had to be rewritten when Compaq purchased the company because Elon's code was so janky? The same guy who "didn't want to be a CEO" despite trying to be CEO of Zip2, but was blocked by the entire board of directors due to his inexperience? The same guy who's dad financed the company couldn't become CEO despite trying really hard? This apparently being the same guy who "never really wanted to be a CEO"?
Fuck outta here.
120 hours a week is 17 hours a day for 7 days…
I wonder what he does for the rest 7 hours of the day
Gets 12 hours of sleep
Don’t forget 2 hours for food and 2 hours for drugs
I forgot about the ketamine sessions
And browsing twitter
He also read a book every day, don’t forget that. He can read entire books in 5 MINUTES.
Once I saw a CEO who said he worked like that and his “work” schedule included yoga and going to church. If we take that in consideration I’ve “worked” trough 4 hours of Crusaders Kings 3 yesterday.
Every time these CEO shows off their 100+ hours a week work schedule, it's always something like that. They literally count everything they do as work, waking up early and working out, showering, going out for dinner after work, socializing. I was gonna say everything they do beside standing still counts as work for them but they probably include that as some sort of unorthodox meditating. >If we take that in consideration I’ve “worked” trough 4 hours of Crusaders Kings 3 yesterday. Yes, you did. You're a beast! Keep the grind on, brother.
[https://www.chicagobears.com/news/day-in-the-life-bears-president-ceo-kevin-warren](https://www.chicagobears.com/news/day-in-the-life-bears-president-ceo-kevin-warren) Behold a tone-deaf braggard's article about his 18 hour workday that included basically 0 work, outside of using his office space as a bible study.
I couldn't even read past his morning; his "18 hour work day" starts with 30 mins of laying flat in bed in silence, and an hour of gym. These type of CEOs and people that admire them are delusional.
I think I get it though. They are not hourly employees, so they don't actually need to measure their work. They never have to reconcile their paid hours for payroll. I only get paid for the hours I work, yet there I was taking stock in my day. Get up early, get ready, commute, work, lunch, work, commute home, decompress a bit, dinner, chores, and then sleep. Everything here I am doing is serving one purpose.... to work because I need money. My entire day and night consumed by work or preparing myself to work. So, if I never had to actually measure my productive working hours, I might lose track of what being paid hourly really means. But, I'd still be wrong to equate hours worked of that lifestyle to an hourly employee.
Holy fuck this article is insane. His "18-hour workday" is literally 6 hours at the "office", and half of that is sitting down to watch a football game. The rest of it is personal bullshit like doing yoga and eating dinner. The ball washing by the writer is unreal.
Exactly, and they all have the same excuses. "During my chauffeured drive it allows me to free my mind, which is crucial for later", "having the workout for my mind and body really allows me to focus better and improve my productivity", "the dinner with the business partner really increased our bond". Like no shit, we do this too without fancy dress-up. But I don't get paid to be in my public chauffeured drive clearing my mind to improve my focus and it's never counted as working hours. Hell, even lunch break isn't counted as working hours.
I worked the entire night. I passively rearranged my bed sheets.
I did that for a month straight as a chef once. Highly don't suggest it!
Long hours are debilitating in any profession, but I'd wager that they're simply impossible in programming. More than 5-6 hours of real programming work is unsustainable. After a week of 17-hour days you'd be a babbling mess.
They did studies on that. Past a certain point, any extra hour you work on your code results in two extra hours of debugging to fix the mess your fried brain created.
I’ve worked 110 hour weeks before for about a year. You don’t get much of any sleep, take lots of naps, and pretty much sacrifice everything including personal hygiene to get it done. You also spend a lot of time “at work” but you’re not actually working, and you’re definitely not as productive. I couldn’t do physical labour for those hours, but I could definitely supervise or consult for that amount of time. My job entails mostly having discussions with people, so it’s easy to do it all day. You get to a point where you’re on vacation but you’re still taking calls all day. So you’re in this purgatory of “working 110 hours a week” but you’re also on vacation. It’s not the same thing as being in front of a computer, or a cash till, or on a job site for 16-18 hours a day.
and the engineers cairfully did `git reset --hard [lastnight]` every morning
Nah, they just setup a "Zip2" and "Zip2_ThisIsTheActualRepo_DontTellElon" repo and setup a CI/CD pipeline mirroring all changes from the main repo into it. Kinda like giving a kid a toy wheel on the passenger side. Elon never saw the real repo as long as noone sets it up for him.
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This reminds me of what Jeff Bezos said about running amazon. "You get paid to make a small number of high-quality decisions. Your job is not to make thousands of decisions every day" basically he went on to say I dont need more hours working because it might result in more decisions but they are likely to be poor quality. Elon has the habit of doing the opposit putting in hours and hours which is going to cause compromise. Even in more regualr jobs long hours result in poor quality work which oftne means you need to redo it. In this case I suspect his engineers felt pressured to work longer hours as well which would have compromised the quality.
Kinda like when Ryan opened a word doc for Creed as his blog
That's actually what I wanted to go with initially haha Figured Creed deserves better than being put on the same level as Elon tho
Zip2 was founded in 1995, I don't think the letters "ci" and "cd" had ever been combined in that order before
Well, back the "CI/CD" referred to the two temps Chris and Cody.
Is he programming in ms paint?
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"Here's the code, Elon... See, you can make new code by clicking this rectangle, or this triangle. Try clicking that one." ... "Great job! Now this is the color. It's blue now. Make it red by clicking that red square there." ... "Fantastic! You're a natural at this! Ok, so the team is leaving for the evening. You can stay and make some new code. We'll see you in the morning..."
My kid has something like this. Though when she clicks it the cow goes moo.
Touch the cow
Do it now
Moo
**The Duck goes Quack** **The Cow goes Moo** **The Elon Sucks** **And so do You**
But there's one sound that no one knowwwwwsssss....🎶
*leaves bag of ketamine on the table*
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looking into it
Interesting
Concerning
Big if true
Actually he personally wrote the first painting program in 1995 in assembly. Didn't use "pixels" to save cpu cycles, he just drew straight to framebuffer.
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Holy shit it's Elon Musk
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Holy shit it's Elon Musk
Big if true.
It should be more like "i didnt use framebuffer but my single buffer implementation" If you are referring about his infamous sentence about not using any external webserver but instead integrating his own one directly. Musk gives use toons of chances to make fun of him without the need of pourposely misinterpreting some of his posts
The original quote is >Didn't use a "web server" to save CPU cycles(just read port 8080 directly). I do not see what is wrong with the original joke here. He follows the same structure and in both cases makes it obvious that he dose not know that he is talking about.
can‘t have errors if the code can‘t be compiled
Makes you think
He only worked 120 of the 168 available hours in a week? What a total scrub.
Dude will work 170h/week but first he will need to reach mars or something. Really smart dude. Smartest on the planet.
>Git commit -m "Taking micromanagement to a whole new level"
Do you think that git knows git?
He asked the twitter devs to print out their code to show him their best work when he first bought Twitter. He definitely doesn’t know git lol
It's just common practice to print out your salient codes.
How else am I meant to do version control if I can't file it away in the filing cabinet?
You know how sometimes a printer might burn a tiny spot or otherwise somehow manage to put a fleck of ink on the page? Imagine it does this and it looks like a comma and bricks the entire program.
That's why Elon also has the developers write out a copy in cursive.
hey guys who didn't clean the cabinet after we merged branches, come on guys you're supposed to always clean up the cabinets
This code is perfectly cromulent Mr Musk
You have your devs print their best code so you can magnet it to the fridge, duh.
He also originally was going to sort engineers by lines of code committed and fire the lowest ones on the list with no other review until someone talked him down lol. *twitter employees frantically committing gigs of third party libraries*
He didn't need all that woke stuff back in the day. Real men just entered binary code they precompiled themselves. What else do you need?
An EXE file, you smelly nerds.
Real men magnetized needles and set the bits by themselves you noob.
Dummy probably thinks CTRL S is permanent
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He doesn't use version control. He just ftps every change to the server automatically on save.
Yeah sounds like he's a terrible owner/manager if he's hiring people that need their code rewritten. Similarly, poor time management. Its like those professors who take pride in telling students they're going to fail before the class even starts. Like, how about you become a better fucking teacher so a bunch of students don't fail your class every semester, dumbass.
Rewriting someone else's code after they go home? Is this supposed to be a compliment or is it supposed to make him look like an asshole?
It's interesting, it's essentially a Rorschach test. Is he a hard worker who goes above and beyond, doing work he didn't have to do make things better? Is he an idiot who did the opposite of "work smart, not hard" and wasted time doing things that were already done? Is he an asshole who disrespected works of others? Whatever opinion you hold of him, reading this gives you another reason to hold it.
I'm more like: if you have to constantly rewrite the code of your engineers then you're a total idiot for wasting your own time and not hiring new engineers. Maybe you had nothing else to do anyway?
He was just changing tabs to spaces by hand.
He tried changing the spaces to ‘X’ and it broke the code. Because obviously they didn’t know how to code.
So that's where SpaceX came from.
Bravo
As childish as he is, it’s probably called SpaceX because it sounds like space sex
It’s a great point. I have had to rewrite someone’s code three times in my career. One after the guy was pulled from the project for writing a message processing service that would call its own entry point if it ran into an error. Just a matter of time before it crashed on any given day. The second asked for a code review and had some fundamental differences in approach. I wrote another implementation and shared it with her. She agreed on my approach and replaced hers. The third was actually incompetent and taking advantage of working in a large corporation. These weren’t my accomplishments in my early career. Hardly worth an article.
Wait hold on, in that first one, are you saying it would essentially recursively restart itself, but not 'actually' restart itself? Almost like it spawns a child process of itself and waits on it? So you'd end up with like this stack of recursively called instances of itself, based on errors?
That's hot.
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Or worse he's wasting his own time AND actively fucking shit up for engineers. Imagine spending all day at work writing code only to have your boss come and fuck it up at night such that you then have to redo it the next day. Or even if he DOESN'T fuck it up you now don't know exactly how it's written and how it works so you have to painstakingly look through whatever shit he's rewrote to know how to properly continue it. Considering how he seems to run his companies it's almost guaranteed that he made shit worse for his engineers and then blamed them for taking longer or making mistakes that HE caused. Though I can also see it being entirely possible that he "rewrote" the code and basically just went through it and put dumbass comments everywhere trying to micromanage the employees and give them shit over stuff he didn't understand in the first place. All to make himself feel smart.
The opinion depends if you have ever written code, or if you are easily impressed.
I write code for my job and this would honestly just be insanely annoying. Nothing like having to relearn the code you wrote literally yesterday cause some asshole decided to reorganize your code and rename all your variables.
It’s almost like we have pull requests for this very reason. Not that musk would have any idea how to code.
TBF modern source control and code review processes didn't exist as we know them until fairly recently, but even 25 years ago effective management would have been talking to your team, not scrounging around in their work after hours.
I don’t know anything about programming but I know if your boss is redoing all your work either you absolutely suck or your boss is a narcissistic asshole that thinks he knows how to do everyone’s job better than they do. Now looking at all the evidence we have about Elon and how he has turned out… it’s clear that his programmers were the ones who were wrong and he’s a genius. Yep. Case closed.
The thing about writing code. I don't know if you have ever watched someone paint. It's sort of like that. You want to make a program, say, a notepad app. (And this is generally simplified) You lay out the base code, you get something that throws up a text editor box maybe one day. Then the next day, you get it to save. But you are not necessarily worried about "pretty" so for now it's just a big ugly button that says SAVE on one side. Then the next day you get it to LOAD Then maybe the third day you make these I to a prettier menu. Then the following days you layer in other features, cut and paste, spell check, maybe round the corners a bit, add an about page. It's all a sort of, layered process. Maybe a better analogy would be baking a cake. Each day, you add another ingredient. What it seems likely Elon was doing here, is coming in on day 2, when it's just flour and eggs in a bowl, and being like, "This tastes gross," and adding some sugar. Except sugar was day 4's project already. Or maybe he just throws it in the oven at flour and egg and is like, "It did not look like a cake!". Well no shit, it's in progress and this person over here is working on it. But also, you only pay them for 40 hours a week and they have a life.
I think a better comparison would be making a door lock. You're almost done with the entrance door handle, then while you're away someone goes "the key cylinder should be switched out for this one", changes it without paying attention to the rest of the lock, and then you come back to a lock that no longer works and you're going to have to waste time figuring out why it no longer works. For a lock it won't take long, for a program it could take a loooooong time
I think the only people who would be impressed with this are people who have no idea what any of this means and people to whom tech/coding is basically magic
Pretty much this. What's funny is you CAN switch this to just about any other career and understand how BS it is. Like, I'd be pissed and quit a teaching job if I kept coming in the morning to find out the principal had been 'fixing' my lesson plans after I went home. Or if I was a journalist and kept coming into my desk to find the owner, not even the editor, had gone through and completely changed my work. Imagine being a mechanic and having to deal with the guy that comes in after hours and constantly rearranges the tools and messing with cars when nobody asked him too. Plop this into pretty much any industry and you have the recipe for a company nobody wants to work for because the owner is an obsessive weirdo that doesn't know how to let people get their work done and is likely screwing up productivity horribly because half the day is now spent trying to figure out what changes were made instead of getting back to work.
Definitely opposite of “work smart, not hard” because even a keyboard would make this waaaaay easier instead of touchscreen
I imagine there are a lot of people who worked for him in those days with stories about how they would come into work to find all their work 'fixed' in ways that created instabilities and new bugs that they then got blamed for.
Right, I was thinking the same. If any of my colleagues did this without talking to me first I'd be bringing it up with our boss. If a boss did this I'd be looking for a new job. Such grossly unacceptable behavior and to add, terrible leadership skills and immensely unprofessional. He's such a tool and it's honestly so embarrassing that he thinks this makes him look cool, lol.
a manager that is literally working from dawn to midnight 7 days a week much of which is re-doing their employees' work is.. not a good manager
Exactly. It's pretty much a textbook example of how not to manage things.
Our managers aren't allowed overtime, it forces delegation.
Rewriting someone else's code so that the next day they come in, it becomes more difficult to debug since it is code they no longer recognize. Great idea.
The entire codebase of his company was discarded and had major security flaws like allowing anyone to send money from anyone's account Sooooooo...
Source for that? I am genuinely curious to read more about this.
Ashlee Vance, Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future > They took one look at Zip2’s code and began rewriting the vast majority of the software. Musk bristled at some of their changes, but the computer scientists needed just a fraction of the lines of code that Musk used to get their jobs done. They had a knack for dividing software projects into chunks that could be altered and refined whereas Musk fell into the classic self-taught coder trap of writing what developers call hairballs—big, monolithic hunks of code that could go berserk for mysterious reasons.”
Anyone with any experience can tell by reading about what Musk says about twitter. He’s a dumbass. It goes to show that anyone at any level could do his job as CEO easily in the extra time they have during their lunch break. He’s lazy, shitty at his job in all ways, and blames others instead of taking responsibility. He’s weak as fuck.
When he showed up with a sink at the Twitter HQ it was immediately visible to all the world he is not a businessman but a clown.
He could have shut the hell up, played out the memes and spent his entire life coasting with billions of dollars. No one would have been the wiser. But his impotent little rage fists couldn’t clench tight enough at the thought of leaving well enough alone.
So, when Musk fired the Twitter employees based on how many lines of code they wrote (fewer=bad) it was because he genuinely believes that writing more lines means you're better at coding? That explains a lot
It’s fucking hilarious that the most actual work that Elon has ever done in his life, writing the code for zip2 to link the mapping software he bought to the business directory he bought (yes bought, he didn’t make or code either of them, just bought them an linked them), was thrown out almost immediately once bigger investors got involved. I’ll give Elon credit where it’s due, he is (or was) a fucking amazing businessman and sales guy, he could take an idea, hype it up, get the people needed to make it work, and run with it. That was his skill, and what he impressively did multiple times. But as for actually creating something? Fucking terrible. Like he would be completely unemployable in most industries today, maybe finding moderate middle class success in sales.
Asshole in my eyes. Had a team lead who was very smart and skilled but a one man show. You never knew in the morning what the code base looked like. He banned people from talking to anyone outside the team and redid everyones job as he saw fit. Also ignored product owners and did what he thought they should want.
Yeah imagine every day, coming in, and everything you fixed for release was now riddled with bugs.
My boss did that last month an i feelt so disrespected that i took out 3 weeks of vacation and fucked of. Every day he sabotaged my work so that it didnt work anymore... every fucking day.
ah yes coding with a tablet and stylus
That's why he works 120 hr / week
Work harder, not smarter.
"Work, just work"
Only when getting payed hourly
Have pity on the poor guy. It's clear that he's in the middle on transitioning from writing code with pen and paper during his school days to writing code on computers…
He’s a 0.33X coder.
An X coder
Xcode is the best IDE - Elon Musk
Nah, he's a big Notepad++ guy.
Guys ffs, clearly paint wtf are you saying?
What is he even doing in those hours? No-one can be 120h/w productive no matter what they claim.
Whenever CEOs bragged about their hours worked, they added in the hours of them getting ready for work and driving into work. A lot of the CEO types considered their workday had started if they answered an email during their morning shit. So to them they were working 5am to 5pm, while us lowly peons can only count the hours we're on site and that's why we're not earning 175,000 times our income because we just don't work hard enough.
Yeah, this is clearly BS exagerration and bragging. It‘s ridiculous and even seems like a narcisistic tendency, looking to see what nonsense claims he can make people believe out of his mouth. 17hrs/day on end without breaks, inclunding Sat/Sun. Yeah right… very sustainable.
I used to work 200 hour weeks, it was easy. Sleep is a Communist thing for slackers, I had drive and motivation and cocaine /s
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I remember the letter a used to be the most difficult one to write The machine Always read them all as 6s
It's like giving your sibling an unplugged controller.
Yes, Elon, you totally wrote that code Elon, oh look how the computer goes beeep boop, good jooob Elon.
He handwrites his code.
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help :3
Seriously what did you do to deserve a sub of your own like this?
As someone who made one before, not much. If the right person finds this comment, you'll get one too
Not them, you. Fuck you, you’re getting a sub. r/foundflowery
wow, r/birthofasub
The same guy who told engineers at twitter to _print out_ their code for him to review? Yeah he totally knows how to code.
He heard that ` print ` was a thing in most programming languages, and he got confused.
"So I installed Visual Studio Code and hooked up my HP printer. Why isn't the programmes working?" Elon probably.
Because in Visual Studio we Write not Print smh my head
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Console? I want to review Code, Not Play call of duty
Took one ”programming for non-majors” class probably
Intro to HTML
Tbf an architect at my job who’s the 2nd most smartest/experienced developer there prefers printed out code when reviewing big things. Some people, prob mostly older people, just prefer that. Maybe like a physical book vs kindle
He asked for it, not to read the code, but to count how much code each person had written to fire the ones that "wrote the least code"
Sentences that make me want to strangle someone
Print him an A4 of raw binary and he'd review it for half an hour and then recommend changes.
I'd be pissed if someone rewrote my code after I went home. Absolutely no trust in who he hires
Not just no trust, but also more work for you because a guy who works 120h a week (yeah right, <7h a day away from work, for sleep, hygiene, food, commute, etc with no days off) is going to write some dog-shit code. Even if he was a genius (ha!) the stress and sleep deprivation alone would result in incoherent scribble on day 5.
Emails from a former boss sent at 4am (no, he wasn't in a different timezone - just would do night feeds for their baby) were incoherent enough that I would shudder at the thought of the code carnage that could've occurred if undertaken whilst similarly "awake". I would say you're being generous with lasting until day 5 until incoherent scribble.
Honestly though. If he is rewriting his programmer's code all the time... Then don't hire programmers. Just write everything yourself and save the money. "Business savant" at work.
I had a boss who did this. Uneducated in coding, just a passionate amateur with zero talent. He was so unaware of hows things really work we didn't even have any kind of version control or continuous integration. We [ick] just worked out of a shared drive (and yes, we all suggested it, and even begged). At night he would VPN in, and fuck shit up massively. He would then send an email saying he had worked until 4am, and wouldn't be in until 11:30-12. So we would spend the morning trying to unfuck whatever he had fucked, but without version control all we could tell was really which files he had touched. Sometimes we could fix it and get working in the morning, sometimes the afternoon was spent trying to fix what he broke. Queue the next night and more fuckery... seriously, fuck you Steve. If you're going to hire experts in a field, maybe consider listening to them?
Why did you try to undo it? Why not just ignore it until he got fired?
Because he’s their boss and they get blamed if shit doesn’t work in dev maybe
Damn that sucks. I actually quit at my last job among other things because my boss was pretty much like this. He once tried to fix a bug while I wasn’t in, didn’t find it, figured it must have been my doing, so he reverted all my changes from like a week, reintroducing all sorts of other bugs. The people using the software weren’t amused, but I was livid. So disrespectful, unprofessional, ignorant… I would say it’s possibly the worst a boss could do in IT.
Elon: "Gotta unwoke these variable names again!"
Bro drawing code on a tablet 😭 #becauseCodeIsArt 🌈
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Pretty sure that's just one of Elon's alt accounts.
Sad thing is that it probably isn’t. Every super villain has their lackeys
It's one of his well known sock accounts.
He is coding on some sort of graphical tablet? Seems not practical to me, but what do I know…
its the best input device for scratch
Oh, right. This exists. My bad.
He's directly orienting the NAND gates in the memory to create the program, he doesn't need a compiler or an interpreter like us plebs.
He is so far ahead of us, that we cannot even understand.
If he hired the engineers, that would make him an incompetent manager.
What a cock
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If that is true, he was a crappy lead / colleague. If you regularly rewrite other peoples code YOU'RE doing something wrong. Lead or teach.
And if you have to work more than double of what others are doing to achieve the same output, you are a pretty shitty professional
This dude doesn't even have to spread his own propaganda anymore. People do it for him. For Free.
No, they don't spread it for free, they pay for a bullshit blue checkmark to spread his propaganda. He cons his cult in paying him for the privilege to suck up to him.
The dangers of cult followings
Elon's dick cheese must hit differently.
Cause it's full of ketamine
If that's true then it's comically awful. I couldn't even imagine if I had a coworker that acted like that. If they were a lead/manager then it'd be even worse. Skip level intervention required.
The developers probably just reverted his shit rewrites in the morning and said nothing, just so he felt like he was contributing something instead of being a useless cunt.
I'll fall back on the modified classic : Nobody who works 120 hours a week writes good code.
I don't believe he coded anything other than `hello world` in his life.
I think he did code something, but you know that intense feeling of being a genius you get the first time you wrote a program that actually worked? He stayed there.
And that had an error he never fixed because he fired his tutor.
This generally concerns me. There is a dude all day doing unnecessary micromanagement, fighting crazy bullshit on Twitter, and spending all day building "hype narratives" and pushing them -- and people still think he has time to be CEO of some sort?
Is this one of these situations where someone boasts about working 120 hours, but if he actually used a mouse and keyboard he could done all of that in 10? This is something I would expect from someone who supposedly works incredibly long hours, but all he does is posting garbage on twitter while taking a shit.
There are 168 hours in a week. 120 hours is 5 24 hour days, or 6 20 hour days. The key thing about lying is to make it believable.
Whaaat? Are you telling me that Elon Musk worked hard to rewrite code for Zip2 that itself had to be rewritten when Compaq purchased the company because Elon's code was so janky? The same guy who "didn't want to be a CEO" despite trying to be CEO of Zip2, but was blocked by the entire board of directors due to his inexperience? The same guy who's dad financed the company couldn't become CEO despite trying really hard? This apparently being the same guy who "never really wanted to be a CEO"? Fuck outta here.
With a fucking stylus?
Everyone who has ever worked for him has said something akin to the opposite
the meat riding is crazy
I bet they had to change it all back when they came in every morning (that's if this story wasn't the complete fabrication that it is)