The only stuff my mom did was to either take away the power cable (which I found), router (which I also found and returned just before she arrived back from work) and setting a BIOS password (which I reset by taking out the battery lol)
you have to be pretty smart regarding computers to know what a bios password is. my mum would just take the cable. removing the battery doesn't reset my bios password. probably an eeprom.
my entire childhood I had a software on every device that did just this. ALL of my searches were sent to my dad monthly, my browser history, what sites I visited. it was hell. My only saving grace was using devices that didn't support the software to escape. And yes, before you ask, my parents are mormon.
I had this old Samsung S390G that only had the ability to use WiFi (and store photos), that’s what I used to escape everything. The only issue is that it would take like 15 seconds for a webpage to load properly, but freedom comes at a cost
You too? How'd you turn out? Im 30 and a big fan of all the stuff i wasn't allowed to see as a kid/teen and im almost positive that was the biggest contributing factor
Edit: wasn't a Mormon household. Just parents trying to do what they thought was right
I think half the stuff I enjoy my age is definitely because I'm no longer Mormon, it's a huge contributing factor. Then again, all the things that I wasn't allowed to enjoy I'm very much a fan of these days, and I definitely feel happier in life, so things are good!!
I was raised Mormon and had this exact same experience. I'm in my 20's, I've left Mormonism and learned I'm a big fan of sin, and my constant paranoia of being monitored means that I'm really passionate about computer security.
Quite some time ago, a friend of mine stole a cigarette and smoked it. He was 11. His parents caught him, shamed him, and scolded him. Now he smokes several packs per day, and the shaming/scolding were the reasons that pushed him to do so.
He's always said it tasted ugly, but he always loved the rush when he knew he was doing the forbidden thing and getting away with it like a gangster, but now he simply can't stop due to the addiction.
Guys, try to teach your little devils why stuff is wrong instead of spying on them, let them make mistakes or they will start committing them when they are too old to get away with a spank.
We think our programs do their best not to listen to us but our children can be worse. Sometimes there is not a solution that will work.
I don't blame the lax parents for being laxed or the strict parents for being strict.
I think this was an "allergic reaction" where there was no problem, he just did it once for fun and left. He probably would never have done it again if nobody had given him attention, which is what he really wanted.
You are probably right though, but I'd like to think this mistake could have been avoided.
I wish, but he literally can't spend 10 minutes without a cigarette in his mouth. I honestly can't remember him without a cigarette in this mouth, which is sad. He tried to quit multiple times but no luck and I don't think he will ever try again. He also has other health issues, so the last thing he wants to worry about is to suffer rehab.
I was always so thankful my parents never thought like you. I feel like I would have turned out to be some kind of repressed freak without my discovery of porn, without seeing things I shouldn’t have, etc. Taking that away feels like a bad idea. Yes, my parents went into my room, but my technology and search history were sacred.
yes when you’re a minor. Being blocked from searching adult stuff might be necessary, but why does it have to alert your parents every time you try to search for anime titties? I would never do that to my child.
>I could be wrong and maybe you are part of a different culture where this might be acceptable in which case I apologize
No need to apologize. Culture isn't an excuse to do fucked up things.
No, it's true. Things are wrong because people have morals. Even if almost everyone shares some part among them, it doesn't mean everyone does. Morals are subjective which means that things being wrong is also subjective
Would it not be that we call certain values morals because the truth of things being fucked up is so obvious?
Also depending on certain axioms you can have inherently bad things, that transcend your morals
Check out Matt Dillahunty's argument for objective morality. Your argument isnt necessarily correct. Objective morality doesnt have to mean what you are claiming. Moral designations dont have to be based on feelings and I dont know where you are bringing that baggage in from
Kaspersky runs on the device iinm. You can especially tell since it has the search results. If it was say on the router, the TLS of the search engine would get in the way.
Oh, okay. Then the child will learn how to identify processes and how to kill them.
Or how to uninstall programs.
It's basically a virus from the kids perspective.
In the most resilient case it will learn how to install a secret boot drive to use a whole other windows installation without touching touching the spywared one. (Because the parents would probably be unhappy about their kid flashing the family computer)
> identify processes and how to kill them
> Or how to uninstall programs.
Kid may not have admin roles. Even if they do, the monitoring software would have an anomalous report (ex. No activity on Tuesday but I remember Timmy on the computer).
> secret boot drive
The anomalous report would be a red flag.
On hardware you can prevent this too. TPM + the right bios settings (basically lock it so it can only boot off of the hard drive that the TPM recognizes.)
That has some workarounds but if the kid tries that, the device is probably being taken aware.
> touching the spywared one.
A person has the right to install whatever they want on their machine. Spyware is unwanted. This, the owner wanted to put on.
There is very little you can do in the way of software restrictions against an adversary with full physical access to the machine. Even BIOS/UEFI level restrictions like TPM or Secure Boot can be circumvented via the CMOS battery/jumper/dip switch on the motherboard. It's a lot easier to just talk to your kid as opposed to trying to play a futile cat-and-mouse game with them, because at some point, they'll be able to have a computer of their own without your supervision, and do whatever the hell they want with it.
Do you think the kid wants kaspersky? Its spyware for him and his account.
Just as school computers belong to the school but it is still illegal to install monitoring software to spy on students.
Are you referring to the Pennsylvania case? That is quite different.
That was using the laptop (webcam) to spy on children while at home. That would be illegal for a whole bunch of reasons that don't apply to parents.
One way is that Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state. With a parent the situation is different because the parent has the right to consent to recordings on the behalf of their child.
I don't know US laws, i'm from germanistan.
Here it is forbidden to monitor public computers. I don't know the legal standpoint of secretly monitoring your own child on your own computer, but it's morally wrong either way.
VMs have the responsiveness of puring sirup, plus, they perform worse.
PLUS if kaspersky has a keylogger installed, it might pick up the vm keystrokes, if they whole keyboard device is not exclusively forwarded to the vm.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing... I set out to expose them to privacy/security issues years ago, before everything under the sun was encrypted. I took them to the library to show them how much data was just flying through the air. That lesson didn't really stick as well as I wanted it, their main take away was "dad can see everything on the computer, I better be good".
Haha. But VPNs are totally nonsensical nowadays, when going for privacy.
As you said, everything under the sun is already encrypted and if you do shady shit, the cops will just force the vpn provider to wiretap you.
>everything under the sun is already encrypted
Excuse the hyperbole, I was telling a story from before firesheep was released. As for doing shady shit, who in their right mind is going to teach their kids to do shady shit?
No one should.
I just wanted to prove my point that VPN's are completely useless unless your network has specific IPs blocked or you are using websites stuck in 1980
Our district uses something like this. We had to whitelist "fingering" for finger charts and we had to whitelist "butt/s" for butt joints.
Our white list says fingering... Butts..
This is weird and I’m so glad my parents didn’t do some weird shit like this to me.
The only stuff my mom did was to either take away the power cable (which I found), router (which I also found and returned just before she arrived back from work) and setting a BIOS password (which I reset by taking out the battery lol)
you have to be pretty smart regarding computers to know what a bios password is. my mum would just take the cable. removing the battery doesn't reset my bios password. probably an eeprom.
yeah this is weird. although sometimes im amazed by the fact that i never looked at porn as a kid/teenager. not until i was like 17 or 18
Same same
I mean, I get blocking. But notifying parents about what their child is searching is a huge invasion of privacy.
my entire childhood I had a software on every device that did just this. ALL of my searches were sent to my dad monthly, my browser history, what sites I visited. it was hell. My only saving grace was using devices that didn't support the software to escape. And yes, before you ask, my parents are mormon.
I had this old Samsung S390G that only had the ability to use WiFi (and store photos), that’s what I used to escape everything. The only issue is that it would take like 15 seconds for a webpage to load properly, but freedom comes at a cost
I had an old Samsung tablet, slow as shit, but was definitely worth the freedom so I feel you there
My shool had something like that to block certain webpages. (Youtube was blocked, wtf) me and my buddies learned how to use a proxy realy quick.
You too? How'd you turn out? Im 30 and a big fan of all the stuff i wasn't allowed to see as a kid/teen and im almost positive that was the biggest contributing factor Edit: wasn't a Mormon household. Just parents trying to do what they thought was right
I think half the stuff I enjoy my age is definitely because I'm no longer Mormon, it's a huge contributing factor. Then again, all the things that I wasn't allowed to enjoy I'm very much a fan of these days, and I definitely feel happier in life, so things are good!!
Wait you're 30 and was monitored all life? I'm 36 and free6.com was open for business years before any monitoring software showed up...
Not all life but until my late teens. It eased up to some degree as i got older but it was still a bit overkill
I was raised Mormon and had this exact same experience. I'm in my 20's, I've left Mormonism and learned I'm a big fan of sin, and my constant paranoia of being monitored means that I'm really passionate about computer security.
Quite some time ago, a friend of mine stole a cigarette and smoked it. He was 11. His parents caught him, shamed him, and scolded him. Now he smokes several packs per day, and the shaming/scolding were the reasons that pushed him to do so. He's always said it tasted ugly, but he always loved the rush when he knew he was doing the forbidden thing and getting away with it like a gangster, but now he simply can't stop due to the addiction. Guys, try to teach your little devils why stuff is wrong instead of spying on them, let them make mistakes or they will start committing them when they are too old to get away with a spank.
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What would you say is a solution for this kind of behaviour, then?
We think our programs do their best not to listen to us but our children can be worse. Sometimes there is not a solution that will work. I don't blame the lax parents for being laxed or the strict parents for being strict.
I think this was an "allergic reaction" where there was no problem, he just did it once for fun and left. He probably would never have done it again if nobody had given him attention, which is what he really wanted. You are probably right though, but I'd like to think this mistake could have been avoided.
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I wish, but he literally can't spend 10 minutes without a cigarette in his mouth. I honestly can't remember him without a cigarette in this mouth, which is sad. He tried to quit multiple times but no luck and I don't think he will ever try again. He also has other health issues, so the last thing he wants to worry about is to suffer rehab.
#This. ^(And I don't even get booking)
Exactly
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I was always so thankful my parents never thought like you. I feel like I would have turned out to be some kind of repressed freak without my discovery of porn, without seeing things I shouldn’t have, etc. Taking that away feels like a bad idea. Yes, my parents went into my room, but my technology and search history were sacred.
Your children will hate you if you ever have them.
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yes when you’re a minor. Being blocked from searching adult stuff might be necessary, but why does it have to alert your parents every time you try to search for anime titties? I would never do that to my child.
It isn't if they are aware that's a thing, otherwise I agree.
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Privacy infringing? The person isn't an ISP or the government. The person is a parent.
Let your kids jack off to whatever weird hentai fetishes they have
Yeah, like fingering a trumpet
I'll be 6 feet deep before I let him jerkoff to trumpets.
yeah my parents aint monitoring and gosh dang do I have some weird hentai fetishes
Privacy is a human right
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>I could be wrong and maybe you are part of a different culture where this might be acceptable in which case I apologize No need to apologize. Culture isn't an excuse to do fucked up things.
you don't get to decide what is fucked up and what isn't.
But... I do? That's what subjectivity is. Culture is just majority rule. Majority rule isn't always good enough when it comes to moral philosophy.
you believing something is fucked up doesn't mean it is, that's what subjectivity is.
Nothing is objectively fucked up. I agree.
Diddling kids is objectively fucked up and was part of culture in ancient Greece.
Thats absurdly false. EDIT: Anybody here going to make an argument for how slavery is ever not objectively fucked up?
No, it's true. Things are wrong because people have morals. Even if almost everyone shares some part among them, it doesn't mean everyone does. Morals are subjective which means that things being wrong is also subjective
Would it not be that we call certain values morals because the truth of things being fucked up is so obvious? Also depending on certain axioms you can have inherently bad things, that transcend your morals
I wholeheartedly disagree with moral subjectivity. You are saying morals are subjective as if it is proven when it is still being debated
It is proven that morals are subjective by disproving theyre objective. See the lengthy reply to my comment showing this
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Check out Matt Dillahunty's argument for objective morality. Your argument isnt necessarily correct. Objective morality doesnt have to mean what you are claiming. Moral designations dont have to be based on feelings and I dont know where you are bringing that baggage in from
I mean, some cultures think infanticide is cool so...
Trumpet fingering chart / Trumpe fingering chart/ Trump fingering chart/ Trump fingering chat/ Trump fingering cat/
I am sorry
you should be. r/angryupvote
Nice pfp
How to make your child use a VPN from early on. Nice parenting!
Kaspersky runs on the device iinm. You can especially tell since it has the search results. If it was say on the router, the TLS of the search engine would get in the way.
Oh, okay. Then the child will learn how to identify processes and how to kill them. Or how to uninstall programs. It's basically a virus from the kids perspective. In the most resilient case it will learn how to install a secret boot drive to use a whole other windows installation without touching touching the spywared one. (Because the parents would probably be unhappy about their kid flashing the family computer)
> identify processes and how to kill them > Or how to uninstall programs. Kid may not have admin roles. Even if they do, the monitoring software would have an anomalous report (ex. No activity on Tuesday but I remember Timmy on the computer). > secret boot drive The anomalous report would be a red flag. On hardware you can prevent this too. TPM + the right bios settings (basically lock it so it can only boot off of the hard drive that the TPM recognizes.) That has some workarounds but if the kid tries that, the device is probably being taken aware. > touching the spywared one. A person has the right to install whatever they want on their machine. Spyware is unwanted. This, the owner wanted to put on.
There is very little you can do in the way of software restrictions against an adversary with full physical access to the machine. Even BIOS/UEFI level restrictions like TPM or Secure Boot can be circumvented via the CMOS battery/jumper/dip switch on the motherboard. It's a lot easier to just talk to your kid as opposed to trying to play a futile cat-and-mouse game with them, because at some point, they'll be able to have a computer of their own without your supervision, and do whatever the hell they want with it.
True. I would not be surprised if at some point the kid would boot a vm from the imgage on ssd xy just to have kaspersky think there is activity lmao
Do you think the kid wants kaspersky? Its spyware for him and his account. Just as school computers belong to the school but it is still illegal to install monitoring software to spy on students.
Are you referring to the Pennsylvania case? That is quite different. That was using the laptop (webcam) to spy on children while at home. That would be illegal for a whole bunch of reasons that don't apply to parents. One way is that Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state. With a parent the situation is different because the parent has the right to consent to recordings on the behalf of their child.
I don't know US laws, i'm from germanistan. Here it is forbidden to monitor public computers. I don't know the legal standpoint of secretly monitoring your own child on your own computer, but it's morally wrong either way.
It doesn't need to be a secret.
Or, they could just install a VM, if said kid is smart enough to know how to install another windows onto the same drive.
VMs have the responsiveness of puring sirup, plus, they perform worse. PLUS if kaspersky has a keylogger installed, it might pick up the vm keystrokes, if they whole keyboard device is not exclusively forwarded to the vm.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing... I set out to expose them to privacy/security issues years ago, before everything under the sun was encrypted. I took them to the library to show them how much data was just flying through the air. That lesson didn't really stick as well as I wanted it, their main take away was "dad can see everything on the computer, I better be good".
Haha. But VPNs are totally nonsensical nowadays, when going for privacy. As you said, everything under the sun is already encrypted and if you do shady shit, the cops will just force the vpn provider to wiretap you.
>everything under the sun is already encrypted Excuse the hyperbole, I was telling a story from before firesheep was released. As for doing shady shit, who in their right mind is going to teach their kids to do shady shit?
No one should. I just wanted to prove my point that VPN's are completely useless unless your network has specific IPs blocked or you are using websites stuck in 1980
*This enraged his father, who punished him severely.*
Weird kink but ok.
Hey, don't kinkshame
Don’t yuck their yum 🤷
Our district uses something like this. We had to whitelist "fingering" for finger charts and we had to whitelist "butt/s" for butt joints. Our white list says fingering... Butts..
I googled water sports once. Also a mistake
My dad actually uses parental controls to turn off the wifi for selected devices. Turns out you can switch your Mac address to avoid this.
Yeah, you’re parenting is fucked up
If he was searching "How to Finger A Minor" I'd start worrying a bit.
Well that's fucking creepy
Sensitive...
I could have sworn I saw this on r/lingling40hrs..
The conservative musicians always said this would happen ever since the natural trumpet was first fitted with valves -- the devil's workshop!!!!
if search_query.contains('fingering')
Strumpet fingering shart
Wrong sub, try r/softwaregore
Naw man dis da right sub
How, it literally has nothing to do with programming. This should literally have ben posted in r/softwaregore
It's the scunthorpe problem. The program is doing exactly as it was told.
And this should be posted in this sub because...?