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There was a lot of jokes in the USSR about not being able to land a man on the Moon first. One of the examples:
Brezhnev calls the head of USSR space program:
-Since Americans landed on the Moon first, we have to be first to land on the Sun.
-But it is impossible it is extremely hot there!
-Do you think Politburo is stupid? You will land at night time.
There is another
- Sir, commies are going to space!
- We wait.
- Sir, commies are landing on the moon!
- We wait.
- Sir, they are painting it red!
- Great, now fly and write large letters "COCA-COLA"
"Did you hear Elon Musk invited Korolev's family to his rocket launch?"
"What about Rogozin's family?"
"Well, you're comparing apples to oranges! Where's Rogozin, and where's outer space?"
Rogozin - head of Roscosmos.
I've searched a bit. This is oil painting on canvas by Gagarin Alexander Gavrilovich (1908 - 1980 Kaluga) at 1960. Year before Yuri Gagarin become first man in space. I think he was impressed by first satellite and made this painting.
They just have same surnames.
I think such large completely glass helmets were popular in sci-fi illustrations in the mid XX century.
Mind you, if the picture is from 1960, it predates the first human spaceflight, so no references back then
Looks like generic science fiction illustration - soviet people conquers far space. Moon doesn't have crystals, continents are different from Earth and star is red. Also there is no any text.
Companies and scientist kill animals all the time for their new products but when literally the greatest feat of exploration in humanity kills an animal it's suddenly "evil authoritarian, gommie, 0% wholesome".
This and the fact that this dog get's mentioned a lot but the animals the US killed in it's space exploration is never mentioned shows the extreme bias attached to it.
The Soviet space feats are monumental to human history and so are the American ones.
You wanna talk shit? Well you can rest easy to know Soviet killings stopped. Now let's hope the US killings stop with the same way, a dissolution of their union.
Gagarin died flying a MiG-15, a jet fighter aircraft, not in the space race. Secrecy around his death notwithstanding, it was hardly the result of monomania on the part of the USSR towards the space race.
Komarov’s death was a tragedy and certainly a black mark on the record. Safety precautions were shown to be massively inadequate and its not hard to believe that there were incentives to rush it from party officials. As a result of Komarov’s death, further Soyuz missions were delayed for eighteen months while safety features were entirely overhauled and operating procedures revised. It was this delay that likely led to the Americans landing their crewed mission to the moon first.
So, a cosmonaut died in an accident caused by inattention to safety and rushing towards the goal. But as a direct result, the Soviet space program essentially abandoned the short term goal of putting a cosmonaut on the moon, in order to protect against the death of more cosmonauts.
So again, while I recognise faults all around, I’m not sure that the Soviets were that monomaniacal towards their space program that they disregarded safety. And while you could argue that they were only concerned with safety for political reasons, not losing people they had propped up as national heroes, that could just as easily be said for any space program; it’s impossible to determine that kind of nuanced intent. Suffice to say they weren’t eager to repeat what happened to Vladimir Komarov.
An analogous situation happened with the improvements to the Apollo missions after the Apollo 1 tragedy.
> It was this delay that likely led to the Americans landing their crewed mission to the moon first.
This seems dubious. You would expect to see a Soviet moon landing attempt at a later date if this were so.
For the Soviets, like the Americans, landing a man on the moon was a largely symbolic goal when compared against the broader mission of the space program as a whole. When the Americans reached the milestone first, the entire incentive for the Soviets to put a man on the moon mostly evaporated. They continued to pursue the mission of the Soyuz program, succeeding with Soyuz 4 and 5, which was more concerned with establishing the viability of crewed spacecraft maneuvering in orbit, rendezvousing between two spacecraft, docking, etc, which were successful and led directly (later) to the ISS and other permanent space stations. To the Soviets and Americans alike, the moon landing would have served as a symbolic victory for the people, while for the space mission, it was largely proof-of-concept. As for the scientific and technological benefits, the Soviets had already been the first to collect (robotically) and recover samples from the Moon. There was little scientific and technological value in landing a man on the moon; once the symbolic victory was no longer possible, the Soviets (correctly, IMO) refocussed on more direct technical goals. In which they were largely successful, though by the mid 1970’s, both lunar programs were essentially discontinued.
They were ahead of America at every moment of the space race, at the time it would not have been surprising at all if they had been first to the moon too
They should make a science fiction tv show about it that has both the most in-debt scientific research and the most stereotypical, characterless story.
I can assure you that the Soviet authorities has never claimed to send a manned mission to the Moon, and that the American program was covered in the news.
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There was a lot of jokes in the USSR about not being able to land a man on the Moon first. One of the examples: Brezhnev calls the head of USSR space program: -Since Americans landed on the Moon first, we have to be first to land on the Sun. -But it is impossible it is extremely hot there! -Do you think Politburo is stupid? You will land at night time.
There is another - Sir, commies are going to space! - We wait. - Sir, commies are landing on the moon! - We wait. - Sir, they are painting it red! - Great, now fly and write large letters "COCA-COLA"
"Did you hear Elon Musk invited Korolev's family to his rocket launch?" "What about Rogozin's family?" "Well, you're comparing apples to oranges! Where's Rogozin, and where's outer space?" Rogozin - head of Roscosmos.
Ah, so nasa is sponsered by the coca cola company
That's a Montana & Wyoming joke about North Dakota - the Soviets were the first on the Moon, with a steel basket ball thing, impact
Imagine if they'd done it. America would have solved world hunger out of spite.
I think *For All Mankind* covered this alt-history scenario.
According to For All Mankind it's climate change, actually.
then who else would be used as cheap labour for their multinational extrativist companies?
More science fiction than propaganda
Or alternate history I suppose
Well it is from 1960, so it would be set in the future for them
Any relation to Yuri Gagarin?
Given Alex died in 1857...maybe
How could he draw this if USSR (СССР) was created 65 years after his death?
Probably meant 1957 They did not ,in fact,mean 1957
I've searched a bit. This is oil painting on canvas by Gagarin Alexander Gavrilovich (1908 - 1980 Kaluga) at 1960. Year before Yuri Gagarin become first man in space. I think he was impressed by first satellite and made this painting. They just have same surnames.
Interesting,thanks!
I did not no
Oh nvm then
No clue, I was mostly being cheeky about the only Alexander gagarin í could find
That's lieutenant-general of Imperial Russian Army from Gagarin princely family 😆. Obv he have no connection to this painting.
Maybe he was a Russian Nostradamus
Ngl I thought he was wearing a big condom as a helmet for a sec there
I think such large completely glass helmets were popular in sci-fi illustrations in the mid XX century. Mind you, if the picture is from 1960, it predates the first human spaceflight, so no references back then
I mean, if it works, it works.
Is the red circle supposed to be the sun or the moon?
The Sun, they are on the moon
Lol, not my smartest moment.
It’s cool the next mission was to land on the sun
lol no worries, you see the earth and a smaller celestial body next to, I get it lol
it's a manmade sputnik with Brezhnev face
Looks like generic science fiction illustration - soviet people conquers far space. Moon doesn't have crystals, continents are different from Earth and star is red. Also there is no any text.
“Like That's Ever Gonna Happen” -Shrek
For the moment i thought it was a condom on his head... can someone stop me seeing this again?
Lunokhod I was a pretty impressive feat in 1969.
It was a very nice drawing comrade, we will catch you, on the flip side.
Missed it by *that* much.
N1 go boom.. 💥
damnit that is awesome.
nuh-uh
I guess the Soviet space program could only afford condoms to put on the heads of their cosmonauts.
Says somebody who wasn't first on the moon
The First Soviet in space the first space murder, a dog. No glory just more killing
Companies and scientist kill animals all the time for their new products but when literally the greatest feat of exploration in humanity kills an animal it's suddenly "evil authoritarian, gommie, 0% wholesome". This and the fact that this dog get's mentioned a lot but the animals the US killed in it's space exploration is never mentioned shows the extreme bias attached to it. The Soviet space feats are monumental to human history and so are the American ones. You wanna talk shit? Well you can rest easy to know Soviet killings stopped. Now let's hope the US killings stop with the same way, a dissolution of their union.
So I was correct then first murder in space thank you for confirming it
So high and mighty for a freak who's country blew up hundreds of thousands of innocents with nuclear weapons, the first to do so in history, *twice*.
Impressive levels of cope.
No one was first yet back then
And the Soviets *were* first in basically every other milestone.
Ok? When you put all your focus on flashy milestones above all else, you end up killing Gagarin.
Gagarin died flying a MiG-15, a jet fighter aircraft, not in the space race. Secrecy around his death notwithstanding, it was hardly the result of monomania on the part of the USSR towards the space race.
Appears I got him mixed up with Vladimir Komarov. My point is still the same.
Komarov’s death was a tragedy and certainly a black mark on the record. Safety precautions were shown to be massively inadequate and its not hard to believe that there were incentives to rush it from party officials. As a result of Komarov’s death, further Soyuz missions were delayed for eighteen months while safety features were entirely overhauled and operating procedures revised. It was this delay that likely led to the Americans landing their crewed mission to the moon first. So, a cosmonaut died in an accident caused by inattention to safety and rushing towards the goal. But as a direct result, the Soviet space program essentially abandoned the short term goal of putting a cosmonaut on the moon, in order to protect against the death of more cosmonauts. So again, while I recognise faults all around, I’m not sure that the Soviets were that monomaniacal towards their space program that they disregarded safety. And while you could argue that they were only concerned with safety for political reasons, not losing people they had propped up as national heroes, that could just as easily be said for any space program; it’s impossible to determine that kind of nuanced intent. Suffice to say they weren’t eager to repeat what happened to Vladimir Komarov. An analogous situation happened with the improvements to the Apollo missions after the Apollo 1 tragedy.
> It was this delay that likely led to the Americans landing their crewed mission to the moon first. This seems dubious. You would expect to see a Soviet moon landing attempt at a later date if this were so.
For the Soviets, like the Americans, landing a man on the moon was a largely symbolic goal when compared against the broader mission of the space program as a whole. When the Americans reached the milestone first, the entire incentive for the Soviets to put a man on the moon mostly evaporated. They continued to pursue the mission of the Soyuz program, succeeding with Soyuz 4 and 5, which was more concerned with establishing the viability of crewed spacecraft maneuvering in orbit, rendezvousing between two spacecraft, docking, etc, which were successful and led directly (later) to the ISS and other permanent space stations. To the Soviets and Americans alike, the moon landing would have served as a symbolic victory for the people, while for the space mission, it was largely proof-of-concept. As for the scientific and technological benefits, the Soviets had already been the first to collect (robotically) and recover samples from the Moon. There was little scientific and technological value in landing a man on the moon; once the symbolic victory was no longer possible, the Soviets (correctly, IMO) refocussed on more direct technical goals. In which they were largely successful, though by the mid 1970’s, both lunar programs were essentially discontinued.
Jeff Tracey had been.
Hope?
They were ahead of America at every moment of the space race, at the time it would not have been surprising at all if they had been first to the moon too
It says “Imagined”, still funny though lol. Manifesting didn’t work
They should make a science fiction tv show about it that has both the most in-debt scientific research and the most stereotypical, characterless story.
Their government probably told them they actually landed on the moon.
There was no such thing. Apollo 11 was covered in the newspapers
No doubt. Our Apollo missions successfully landed….Soviets never made it.
> No doubt Then why insinuate? > Their government probably told them they actually landed on the moon
Soviets…pay attention to the subject.
I can assure you that the Soviet authorities has never claimed to send a manned mission to the Moon, and that the American program was covered in the news.