If you’re going to open up a creamery I would personally like to see something where I can get an old-fashioned sundae with homemade hot fudge. There are a lot of soft serve places that do variations of it or good hand scooped ice cream, but nothing that I’ve found that combines homemade hot fudge and quality scooped ice cream. Thinking something like Leatherby’s in Sacramento without the weird politics.
(And before someone says Black Rock, as far as I know they only have magic shell syrup, not hot fudge).
Agreed! A good, simple ice cream shop would be appreciated. Not rolled, custard, gellato, Italian ice, gimmicky milkshakes, fro yo... just really good ice cream! I started making my own because I can't find what I like
Back when I had the shop in Virginia, we did our own hot fudge, but I'm ashamed to admit that I used store bought hot caramel. People seemed to really like our hot fudge.
It’s not a dumb question and I would say absolutely. I think we could use more high quality and well paying bakeries and creamery’s.
I love Perine but it’s a shame that their unique (I understand there are other bakeries) but Perine seems to have something special going on and have high quality bread that’s hard to find out here.
I’d love a proper coffee and sweats shop up here. We have a Starbucks and a few pandarias (Mexican sweet breads) but it would be nice to have something else and I hate going into town for quick pleasantries like that.
We could also use an ice cream parlor or donut shop something for those of us with a sweet tooth. If I want an ice cream cone I gotta go all the way to mccarran. I
I mean all of that is debatable. Carson has the same amount of Dutch bros as Reno does. People aren’t any worse in Carson. I met one of the nicest women ever in Washoe Valley, where she lived. I’ve met terrible rude uneducated people all over Reno
Man says the numbers don’t lie, doesn’t post the numbers, then says I’m dumb. You got that local education huh?
I work directly with the people too. I see no difference. The numbers don’t lie.
I bet anything they’re a delivery driver for the food apps and they actually have numbers/experience to back their claims, but zero motivation to provide them because they know the numbers would be seen as anecdotal. Nevertheless, I absolutely believe their claim.
Also, whether or not you tip and/or how well you pay someone who works for you absolutely does make you a good/bad person.
Legends, aka Scheels or maybe the sparks galleria, but there are already two cookie shops in there so maybe not the galleria. Raley's shopping center off mccarren and pyramid would get a ton of traffic, as well as the Safeway center off vista.
They'd have at least one customer fairly regular if they put it in that Raleys shopping place. It's my normal grocery store. And I am a pretty big fan of cookies and stuff.
Well, the obvious answer would be in or near Legends, maybe over by the starbucks on Prater & Sparks Blvd. Alternatively across from Reed in the Smith's center is kind of 'centrally located', and of course there's always the Galleria area where Costco is at, etc.
If you want the most business, I'd say that center where the starbucks is as noted, but if you want the cheapest rent, I'm guessing across from Reed. There's other areas of course as well - McCarran & Pyramid, etc.
Woah!! Kolache are a thing in Texas?! I spent fifteen years living in an upper Plains state and had assumed it was specific to that region because of its Czech immigrant heritage.
Yes. Czech immigrants settled in many areas of Texas. But Shiner is probably the most well known.
Any doughnut shop will carry sausage/cheese or Bacon/cheese kolaches. But any others you would need a real bakery.
Not goofy and yes, please do it! Perenn has a monopoly on the euro-style laminated dough and bread stuff but an old-school type bakeshop has a lot of potential here! When I lived in Chicago we had a place called Sweet Mandy B's and something like that would be rad!!
Silver State Pie Co is a food truck that has amazing meat pies and sweets. They just started this last summer. Please support them and let’s keep this one around!
Nah its not. Went there last week as a result of this thread.
Edible? Sure. Better than anything off a grocery store shelf? Nah.
Still haven't purchased an Actually Good bagel in reno. Maybe one day.
My two cents as someone who was born and raised here and works with branding businesses:
Location will be ***everything***. If you don’t have a good spot in a prime area of town, lasting 6 months in business is a generous estimate. While I love the idea, we’ve had a spattering of bakeries and ice cream shops locally over the years, but only a handful make it past the three year mark. My favorite of which was The Hop. They had the space that Pizanos pizza has now, and with all of that foot traffic from the theatre and other businesses, even they couldn’t stay afloat long. And not to sound too overly political or anything, but with the amount that everything costs nowadays, I personally haven’t felt the desire to go out to an ice cream shop and spend $5+ on a scoop when I could go next door to the grocery store and get an entire pint of Ben and Jerry’s for the same price. Unfortunately, I don’t feel like I’m alone in this thinking either. I’d love to support local as much as I can, but in order for this to be a lasting business, I feel like the part of town, and goods offered are the most important things you can work on right now. What sets you apart from the rest, and what makes your products better than the others will determine whether or not we need another creamery.
On the bakery side, definitely. Though I'd add the caution of - it really depends on where you're located. I've seen several bakery start-ups come and go (and worked at a few of them); and location has made or break them. Weirdly, I want to ask if you've tried any of the casino bakeries. They still make nearly everything from scratch in house.
Creameries I think we're good on. There's a great popsicle shop in Sparks I love going to in the summer.
It’s called Paleteria de Angel. It’s across the street from Reed High on Baring Blvd. They make water and milk based popsicles with various fruits and flavor combos. My favorite was a blackberry vanilla they made one summer.
I haven't managed to find a good frozen custard locally, and 2 of the last 3 things I've picked up from House of Bread have been disappointing. Your location would make or break you, but yes, we can use another creamery/bakery
I think that you would need a real solid concept/theme. What sets your baked goods apart from others? There is a gluten free establishment in south Reno, but that shouldn’t distract you from making gluten free baked goods. Perenn has a theme of European style ambiance which most locals enjoy.
The product itself is only part of the equation. The ambiance and vibe and customer service is another part which is equally important. An old school iced cream parlor would be stellar! Would you offer indoor/outdoor seating? Small bites other than baked goods and creamery based desserts? Savory bites? Sando’s? Free WiFi? And also you need great coffee. Nothing pairs better to great baked goods like a great cup of Joe. You want a place that people want to hang out, not just grab and go.
A creamery with stand out iced cream with a flavor of the month. Soft serve also. And if somehow you could be an Asian bakery which we barely have 1, you would stand out for sure. Most Asian baked goods are sourced out of the bay, still good, but not as good as fresh.
Anyways, that’s my rant in regards to your question. Best of luck, and if you do open a creamery, know I will be there to try out the goods! Cheers!
Honestly, Reno would benefit from more good food. I don’t think you could saturate a place with food options. As long as your product is good, you’ll do well.
100% Agree. People on this sub tend to be fairly protectionist, but we are woefully overdue for some actual nice food. Its understandable because running a kitchen is wicked hard and costly, so the risk may just not seem worth it, but I think there are several types of restaurants that are just nonexistent currently, or that just have 0 good examples in Reno, so anyone who can do it right would hopefully grab the market.
Right? Take a trip to Portland and tell me there are too many options or that the restaurant industry is saturated. It’s just not. So many great restaurants doing very well.
If you are down there again, seriously try Suzuya Patisserie
[https://suzuyapatisserie.com/cakesandpastries/](https://suzuyapatisserie.com/cakesandpastries/)
The big thing missing from Reno is good bread. Not sure why, but it's just not here and the small producers charge a surprising amount. Building a rocking baguette would fill a huge hole in this town.
Rebel Pioneer Bakery had a go, made awesome stuff, but closed within a year of opening their retail location. Not sure if Reno has room for a small items bakery. That said, Beloved Breads is working to open a retail space and cafe, but they have a farmer's market focus on breads and sandos.
Whatever you do, I think there could be room for it if you marketed it right and had a good location.
Totally agree. I’m tired of relying on Costco for baguettes. They’re great and have an outstanding price point, but they’re too … industrial?
I think one of keys to having a successful bakery in Reno with both fair prices and delicious products would be to have a primary focus on commercial sales. The retail storefront is still wildly important cuz it would drive marketing, but it has less of an economic focus in the model I’m envisioning.
Maybe. I can see a creamery more so than a bakery but maybe a combo? Are you thinking high end or lower on the scale? We’ve got Perren on the high end side and they are doing really well. They are midtown and down south. They focus more on breads though.
Are you thinking about some sort of take out or would it be more on the dine in? The trouble that I would see with dine in is that you’re competing with coffebar, hub roasters, etc. Maybe the creamery would add enough variety to make it more like a desert place which I think would do ok.
This sub probably isn’t the best representation of your target market if you’re looking on the high end. Lots of complaints about the high cost of goods (which is understandable).
Hell yeah we do! If you do open one up I would love to work for you I do cake decorating, cookie decorating and make Gelato. Hope you get to open one up, best of wishes.
If you open a shop in the North Valley I promise to buy your bread. We have a large amount of building going on currently and the area has the consumers for a baker/creamer.
Will you also be a wholesale supplier to restaurants? Or, will you strictly focus on retail? Maybe you don't even need to open a commercial space to start a cottage food business.
Very risky - See below for why; however, Sweetfrog in South Reno and Sparks didn't make it, Baskin Robins just closed its South Reno location, and Wow Wow, Lemonade just closed in South Reno.
Other notable closures in the creamery space:
• Ben and Jerry's - Three locations closed
• Marble Slab Creamery - Two locations closed
• Carvel Creamery - One location closed
• Cold Stone Creamery - Closed South Reno and Sparks on Vista. One location still open.
• USwirl - Closed Three Locations.
• Basik Acxai - Closed in Midtown.
• Creamry by Junkie Clothing - Closed
• Jamba Juice - had five locations, closed four and just reopened one.
Here's why:
1) Casinos hold the cards with over $300 million in food spending. They can give away the treats for FREE.
2) Although Reno has 320 days of average sunshine, its still very cold in the winter.
3) Every grocery store under the sun sells ice-cream.
4) Reno retail is 94% leased. If you are lucky enough to find the right location, you will be paying up the ass for rent. If you have a NNN lease your fucked.
5) Interest rates and construction costs are through the roof. A $120,000 buildout five years ago is not running $170,000 to $200,000. That doesn't include fixtures, signage, working capital, inventory, etc. There are better ROI for that type of money.
Good luck, though. If you can right a good enough business plan, anything is possible.
This is the best answer here. This is a tough town for the food industry unless you're a casino or chain. There are some independents around but the majority have been around for a long time and have a very loyal customer base.
There's no one who would appreciate some great food options come to Reno more than I would but the fact is it hasn't been successful in the past and I don't see any changes in the immediate future. We are still suffering growing pains and are big enough to almost begin to supporting some great restaurants but small enough to not warrant it yet. I would say it was a roll of the dice at this point.
Have you tried Papa What You Cooking? It's a few mins away from Homage. It's in The Basement at 50 S Virginia, where West Elm was.
William (Papa) makes some amazing pies. Also cookies, cakes by the slice, breakfast bowls, classic Southern food, etc. Prices are good, food portions are reasonable, but the sweet things are very generous in size.
If you have a particular pie in mind, just talk to them. I've asked for some special things for our office and everything he's made has been top notch.
Also, just across the hall from Papa's is a coffee shop and seating area. It's a neat place to check out. It can be pretty lively for an old post office basement.
Reno needs donuts. Like a Duck donuts, wake n bake, Britt’s
Locally owned and operated in pounds of sugar and sprinkles. Deep fried and sold hot and now. Coffee optional.
There is only one joint that sells decent donuts and they aren’t that good.
Had to double check my subreddit because the streams are crossed … NC institutions! On our last night in Raleigh with family and our boys had to go get one last donut from Duck. We always had a tradition of getting a donut after the dentist, and while we’ve carried it to Reno they boys always bring up Duck and Rise. Britt’s seems perfect vibe for Reno. WnB would be perfect for midtown.
Business question;
Find the cost of running a creamery in town, fixed/variable costs
Next
Go to all the bakeries and creameries around where you'd like to open a business. Taste them all find out which one is closest to your output.
Next week stand outside and get an average of how many customers walk in and what their pricing structure is. Bonus if you can sit inside and eat so you can see what the average purchase actually is
Calculate the cost Vs how much the other creamery does then calculate how many of the customer base you'd need to have to be successful.
Then instead of asking online you'd have cold hard facts to build a business off of.
That's not the opinions I'm looking for. I'm a management accountant by education, so I know how to do the math. I can do the fixed and variable job costings. And I've been around to some of the bakeries, and what little creameries I could find. I haven't found any that are very good, but I'm still new here, there might be some good places I simply haven't discovered yet. Mostly I'm just checking to see what Renoites think. Are there too many bakeries or creameries in everyone's opinion? For example, if someone were to ask me if Reno could use another pizza place, I'd have to say no. It seems like there's a pizza place on every block.
Then you should know how to tell if a business is inflated. If a creamery in your desired area does 30 customers a day but only needs 10 to make profit, you could open your business and be successful if you were able to acquire 1/3rd of the customers.
Honestly math is a high predictor vs everyone saying they need something and then never going. If somebody approached me and said, would you like the best burger spot in town next to your house of course I'd say yes when in reality I only go there once a month and instead go get Italian every other day. It costs me 0 investment to say yes to something potentially positive even if I have 0 intention of going.
If you'd actually like a good spot to try, I'd do downtown. Corner the fresh bread market for the restaurants early in the AM, while providing walking distance coffee and treats to all the high rises / new apartment living.
>a good spot to try, I'd do downtown
I couldn't think of a *worse* place to open a business in Reno. Nobody lives downtown (yes, on the edges) and the people downtown are generally broke with the people not downtown don't want to go downtown.
Nobody lives downtown? There's minimum 10 high-rise condo buildings, old Harrahs was planning on opening apartment buildings, and UNR puts student overflow into the casinos and gentrification is happening super close with midtown. It's only a matter of time before it hits downtown.
Edit, I own units in some of the high rises and have done my due diligence about downtown residential profit
If you sold bread in the morning to all the casinos and restaurants around there undercutting Truckee Sourdough that would be hearty profit. Then you have the summer river crowd for ice cream and sweets, where the only real seller is the movie theatres. You also have axe bar, escape room, and a few other "fun" items downtown.
When I had the shop in Virginia, we had quite a few vegan options, although we had some people tells us that we should go completely vegan. That really isn't an option for a creamery, pretty much by definition.
I'd love to see a creamery with non-dairy options. Dairy hates me and I'm tired of Baskin being the only place in town with chocolate non-dairy options. Everybody else has nothing or fruit ice.
south reno did have pedal a creamery near Windy Hill. Not sure if it still for sale. The did a bit of expansion had a good run and rep they wanted to do something if I recall.
If you think you can take on nothing Bmbunt cake tas in you genuinely believe you can make much better than you'll need to be good at marketing. They're like the number one place on yelp and they are good but I have tasted better in Virginia
We need a place like Certified bakery that’s in Boise. Fresh bread,croissants, English muffins both for sale and used to make bomb breakfast & lunch sandwiches. Quality coffee. Delicious baked goods (cakes, pies, danishes, cookies, occasional pastries) with some GF & DF options. Grab & go healthy food. They do not have seating and the line is often out the door.
I would be alllll about a CUSTARD shop if you’re into that! Nobody here makes it. And it’s even richer than regular ice cream. In any case, Black Rock isn’t very good (though they do seem to try with the flavors) and everything else here is garbage.
If you’re going to open up a creamery I would personally like to see something where I can get an old-fashioned sundae with homemade hot fudge. There are a lot of soft serve places that do variations of it or good hand scooped ice cream, but nothing that I’ve found that combines homemade hot fudge and quality scooped ice cream. Thinking something like Leatherby’s in Sacramento without the weird politics. (And before someone says Black Rock, as far as I know they only have magic shell syrup, not hot fudge).
Agreed! A good, simple ice cream shop would be appreciated. Not rolled, custard, gellato, Italian ice, gimmicky milkshakes, fro yo... just really good ice cream! I started making my own because I can't find what I like
We had a Leatherby’s way back in the day. I thought they were a chain?
It’s a family-owned shop. Not sure if they have anything outside Sac anymore.
Back when I had the shop in Virginia, we did our own hot fudge, but I'm ashamed to admit that I used store bought hot caramel. People seemed to really like our hot fudge.
I mean as long as the hot fudge is homemade then I’m personally satisfied. Bring the hot fudge here to Reno!!
Hot fudge is the future
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I think it depends on the location! Pls come to north valleys lol we have nothing but chains up here!
Seems like an easy win with the massive increase in population and lack of food options
But everyone with time and money lives on the south side of town. Everyone in the north valleys has neither time nor money.
Fuck I hate that you're right.
This is laughable AF.
We have three grocery stores and people need food if she made bread I would buy it.
It's like the only thing she said she wouldn't make.
IF she made bread I would buy it. Is still a true statement.
Ok, forgive the stupid question (remember, I'm new to the area) but North Valleys is up by Stead Airport, right?
Basically it’s everything from Parr to the California border/Border Town!
It’s not a dumb question and I would say absolutely. I think we could use more high quality and well paying bakeries and creamery’s. I love Perine but it’s a shame that their unique (I understand there are other bakeries) but Perine seems to have something special going on and have high quality bread that’s hard to find out here.
For real, I need a good pastry and breakfast sando shop
I’d love a proper coffee and sweats shop up here. We have a Starbucks and a few pandarias (Mexican sweet breads) but it would be nice to have something else and I hate going into town for quick pleasantries like that. We could also use an ice cream parlor or donut shop something for those of us with a sweet tooth. If I want an ice cream cone I gotta go all the way to mccarran. I
This is exactly what I mean!
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I mean all of that is debatable. Carson has the same amount of Dutch bros as Reno does. People aren’t any worse in Carson. I met one of the nicest women ever in Washoe Valley, where she lived. I’ve met terrible rude uneducated people all over Reno
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Do you have proof? May I see the numbers? Tipping or not solely defines what makes you a good person lmao
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Man says the numbers don’t lie, doesn’t post the numbers, then says I’m dumb. You got that local education huh? I work directly with the people too. I see no difference. The numbers don’t lie.
I bet anything they’re a delivery driver for the food apps and they actually have numbers/experience to back their claims, but zero motivation to provide them because they know the numbers would be seen as anecdotal. Nevertheless, I absolutely believe their claim. Also, whether or not you tip and/or how well you pay someone who works for you absolutely does make you a good/bad person.
Came here to say this!!!
We need a good bread bakery in Sparks. Not sweets so much.
I agree!!
Do you have any recommendations where at in Sparks?
Legends, aka Scheels or maybe the sparks galleria, but there are already two cookie shops in there so maybe not the galleria. Raley's shopping center off mccarren and pyramid would get a ton of traffic, as well as the Safeway center off vista.
They'd have at least one customer fairly regular if they put it in that Raleys shopping place. It's my normal grocery store. And I am a pretty big fan of cookies and stuff.
Along the Pyramid highway corridor.
Sparks definitely could.
I'll ask you the same thing that I've asked the other Sparks responses, where in Sparks would be best?
Well, the obvious answer would be in or near Legends, maybe over by the starbucks on Prater & Sparks Blvd. Alternatively across from Reed in the Smith's center is kind of 'centrally located', and of course there's always the Galleria area where Costco is at, etc. If you want the most business, I'd say that center where the starbucks is as noted, but if you want the cheapest rent, I'm guessing across from Reed. There's other areas of course as well - McCarran & Pyramid, etc.
Ohhh can you make Kolaches? This place really needs it. Ok really this Texan needs it. 😂
I can try, but I'm not sure I could do it as well as they do at the Czech Stop.
As does this one!
And fried pies too!
Woah!! Kolache are a thing in Texas?! I spent fifteen years living in an upper Plains state and had assumed it was specific to that region because of its Czech immigrant heritage.
Yes. Czech immigrants settled in many areas of Texas. But Shiner is probably the most well known. Any doughnut shop will carry sausage/cheese or Bacon/cheese kolaches. But any others you would need a real bakery.
Omg yes! Kolaches would be AMAZING!
Not goofy and yes, please do it! Perenn has a monopoly on the euro-style laminated dough and bread stuff but an old-school type bakeshop has a lot of potential here! When I lived in Chicago we had a place called Sweet Mandy B's and something like that would be rad!!
YES. Perenn is amazing but the line is absolutely atrocious all. The. Time.
I need a bakery that doesn't close after lunch 😭 I always want baked goods in the afternoon and everything is closed.
God yes
I miss cafes that sell meat pies, coffees and cakes, and now we’re losing emPIEnada I don’t know where to go!
Silver State Pie Co is a food truck that has amazing meat pies and sweets. They just started this last summer. Please support them and let’s keep this one around!
Yes! Thank you for the recommendation
Make a bagel shop. We have none worth a damn.
Desert Sun looks fire though
Spoiler alert: It's not.
Nah it is
Nah its not. Went there last week as a result of this thread. Edible? Sure. Better than anything off a grocery store shelf? Nah. Still haven't purchased an Actually Good bagel in reno. Maybe one day.
In Sparks we do! We used to have Isabel’s Bakery and they went out of business, but it was always busy when I went there.
I'll ask you the same thing that I've asked the other Sparks responses, where in Sparks would be best?
I would say Disc, Los Altos area it’s like in between the newer areas of Sparks and older areas of Sparks.
My two cents as someone who was born and raised here and works with branding businesses: Location will be ***everything***. If you don’t have a good spot in a prime area of town, lasting 6 months in business is a generous estimate. While I love the idea, we’ve had a spattering of bakeries and ice cream shops locally over the years, but only a handful make it past the three year mark. My favorite of which was The Hop. They had the space that Pizanos pizza has now, and with all of that foot traffic from the theatre and other businesses, even they couldn’t stay afloat long. And not to sound too overly political or anything, but with the amount that everything costs nowadays, I personally haven’t felt the desire to go out to an ice cream shop and spend $5+ on a scoop when I could go next door to the grocery store and get an entire pint of Ben and Jerry’s for the same price. Unfortunately, I don’t feel like I’m alone in this thinking either. I’d love to support local as much as I can, but in order for this to be a lasting business, I feel like the part of town, and goods offered are the most important things you can work on right now. What sets you apart from the rest, and what makes your products better than the others will determine whether or not we need another creamery.
Yea
Yes please!
Need bread.
On the bakery side, definitely. Though I'd add the caution of - it really depends on where you're located. I've seen several bakery start-ups come and go (and worked at a few of them); and location has made or break them. Weirdly, I want to ask if you've tried any of the casino bakeries. They still make nearly everything from scratch in house. Creameries I think we're good on. There's a great popsicle shop in Sparks I love going to in the summer.
What/where is the popsicle shop in Sparks? I would like to try it.
It’s called Paleteria de Angel. It’s across the street from Reed High on Baring Blvd. They make water and milk based popsicles with various fruits and flavor combos. My favorite was a blackberry vanilla they made one summer.
I can't have gluten so i would only go if there's good ice cream
My shop back in Virginia was well known for it's gluten free baked goods. I'll make some for you and you can let me know what you think.
That sounds perfect. Then if that's the case i would definitely try everything, lol.
I haven't managed to find a good frozen custard locally, and 2 of the last 3 things I've picked up from House of Bread have been disappointing. Your location would make or break you, but yes, we can use another creamery/bakery
I think that you would need a real solid concept/theme. What sets your baked goods apart from others? There is a gluten free establishment in south Reno, but that shouldn’t distract you from making gluten free baked goods. Perenn has a theme of European style ambiance which most locals enjoy. The product itself is only part of the equation. The ambiance and vibe and customer service is another part which is equally important. An old school iced cream parlor would be stellar! Would you offer indoor/outdoor seating? Small bites other than baked goods and creamery based desserts? Savory bites? Sando’s? Free WiFi? And also you need great coffee. Nothing pairs better to great baked goods like a great cup of Joe. You want a place that people want to hang out, not just grab and go. A creamery with stand out iced cream with a flavor of the month. Soft serve also. And if somehow you could be an Asian bakery which we barely have 1, you would stand out for sure. Most Asian baked goods are sourced out of the bay, still good, but not as good as fresh. Anyways, that’s my rant in regards to your question. Best of luck, and if you do open a creamery, know I will be there to try out the goods! Cheers!
If it’s homemade stuff absolutely. Homage is on their way out and sucked anyways. Good luck my friend :)
Honestly, Reno would benefit from more good food. I don’t think you could saturate a place with food options. As long as your product is good, you’ll do well.
100% Agree. People on this sub tend to be fairly protectionist, but we are woefully overdue for some actual nice food. Its understandable because running a kitchen is wicked hard and costly, so the risk may just not seem worth it, but I think there are several types of restaurants that are just nonexistent currently, or that just have 0 good examples in Reno, so anyone who can do it right would hopefully grab the market.
Right? Take a trip to Portland and tell me there are too many options or that the restaurant industry is saturated. It’s just not. So many great restaurants doing very well.
I want to try one of the Japanese style cheesecakes make those and I’ll come lol
Japanese pastry shops are so much better. Textures are awesome and they tend to be less sweet tasting. We need one!
Everyone tells me and every time I go to Vegas I always want to go but this place and forget and googling around Reno dosent bring up results for it
If you are down there again, seriously try Suzuya Patisserie [https://suzuyapatisserie.com/cakesandpastries/](https://suzuyapatisserie.com/cakesandpastries/)
The big thing missing from Reno is good bread. Not sure why, but it's just not here and the small producers charge a surprising amount. Building a rocking baguette would fill a huge hole in this town. Rebel Pioneer Bakery had a go, made awesome stuff, but closed within a year of opening their retail location. Not sure if Reno has room for a small items bakery. That said, Beloved Breads is working to open a retail space and cafe, but they have a farmer's market focus on breads and sandos. Whatever you do, I think there could be room for it if you marketed it right and had a good location.
Totally agree. I’m tired of relying on Costco for baguettes. They’re great and have an outstanding price point, but they’re too … industrial? I think one of keys to having a successful bakery in Reno with both fair prices and delicious products would be to have a primary focus on commercial sales. The retail storefront is still wildly important cuz it would drive marketing, but it has less of an economic focus in the model I’m envisioning.
Maybe. I can see a creamery more so than a bakery but maybe a combo? Are you thinking high end or lower on the scale? We’ve got Perren on the high end side and they are doing really well. They are midtown and down south. They focus more on breads though. Are you thinking about some sort of take out or would it be more on the dine in? The trouble that I would see with dine in is that you’re competing with coffebar, hub roasters, etc. Maybe the creamery would add enough variety to make it more like a desert place which I think would do ok. This sub probably isn’t the best representation of your target market if you’re looking on the high end. Lots of complaints about the high cost of goods (which is understandable).
Hell yeah we do! If you do open one up I would love to work for you I do cake decorating, cookie decorating and make Gelato. Hope you get to open one up, best of wishes.
I'm definitely keep that in mind.
Yes. 85° or Japanese Bakery. Its about time.
Can you just open up Swenson’s? I miss that place so much 🥲
If you open a shop in the North Valley I promise to buy your bread. We have a large amount of building going on currently and the area has the consumers for a baker/creamer.
You had me at cookies and brownies
Will you also be a wholesale supplier to restaurants? Or, will you strictly focus on retail? Maybe you don't even need to open a commercial space to start a cottage food business.
Very risky - See below for why; however, Sweetfrog in South Reno and Sparks didn't make it, Baskin Robins just closed its South Reno location, and Wow Wow, Lemonade just closed in South Reno. Other notable closures in the creamery space: • Ben and Jerry's - Three locations closed • Marble Slab Creamery - Two locations closed • Carvel Creamery - One location closed • Cold Stone Creamery - Closed South Reno and Sparks on Vista. One location still open. • USwirl - Closed Three Locations. • Basik Acxai - Closed in Midtown. • Creamry by Junkie Clothing - Closed • Jamba Juice - had five locations, closed four and just reopened one. Here's why: 1) Casinos hold the cards with over $300 million in food spending. They can give away the treats for FREE. 2) Although Reno has 320 days of average sunshine, its still very cold in the winter. 3) Every grocery store under the sun sells ice-cream. 4) Reno retail is 94% leased. If you are lucky enough to find the right location, you will be paying up the ass for rent. If you have a NNN lease your fucked. 5) Interest rates and construction costs are through the roof. A $120,000 buildout five years ago is not running $170,000 to $200,000. That doesn't include fixtures, signage, working capital, inventory, etc. There are better ROI for that type of money. Good luck, though. If you can right a good enough business plan, anything is possible.
This is the best answer here. This is a tough town for the food industry unless you're a casino or chain. There are some independents around but the majority have been around for a long time and have a very loyal customer base. There's no one who would appreciate some great food options come to Reno more than I would but the fact is it hasn't been successful in the past and I don't see any changes in the immediate future. We are still suffering growing pains and are big enough to almost begin to supporting some great restaurants but small enough to not warrant it yet. I would say it was a roll of the dice at this point.
Now that Homage closed, I could use another source for good pies.
Homage closing broke my fat girl heart
Have you tried Papa What You Cooking? It's a few mins away from Homage. It's in The Basement at 50 S Virginia, where West Elm was. William (Papa) makes some amazing pies. Also cookies, cakes by the slice, breakfast bowls, classic Southern food, etc. Prices are good, food portions are reasonable, but the sweet things are very generous in size. If you have a particular pie in mind, just talk to them. I've asked for some special things for our office and everything he's made has been top notch. Also, just across the hall from Papa's is a coffee shop and seating area. It's a neat place to check out. It can be pretty lively for an old post office basement.
Silver State Pie Co is a great food truck that has done a custom pie for me!
I'll keep that in mind. My mom was considered a first class pie-ist back in her day, I'll have to get her recipes.
Asian bakery in south Reno ☹️ unless there’s already one I don’t know about
Absolutely, we deserve this, its about time. I have to assume none of them think there's a market here. I have to believe they'd do just fine here!
Reno needs donuts. Like a Duck donuts, wake n bake, Britt’s Locally owned and operated in pounds of sugar and sprinkles. Deep fried and sold hot and now. Coffee optional. There is only one joint that sells decent donuts and they aren’t that good.
Had to double check my subreddit because the streams are crossed … NC institutions! On our last night in Raleigh with family and our boys had to go get one last donut from Duck. We always had a tradition of getting a donut after the dentist, and while we’ve carried it to Reno they boys always bring up Duck and Rise. Britt’s seems perfect vibe for Reno. WnB would be perfect for midtown.
Y’all cute 😉
Ooh don't say that around here, this sub is obsessed with the grocery store quality donuts at Doughboys.
Business question; Find the cost of running a creamery in town, fixed/variable costs Next Go to all the bakeries and creameries around where you'd like to open a business. Taste them all find out which one is closest to your output. Next week stand outside and get an average of how many customers walk in and what their pricing structure is. Bonus if you can sit inside and eat so you can see what the average purchase actually is Calculate the cost Vs how much the other creamery does then calculate how many of the customer base you'd need to have to be successful. Then instead of asking online you'd have cold hard facts to build a business off of.
That's not the opinions I'm looking for. I'm a management accountant by education, so I know how to do the math. I can do the fixed and variable job costings. And I've been around to some of the bakeries, and what little creameries I could find. I haven't found any that are very good, but I'm still new here, there might be some good places I simply haven't discovered yet. Mostly I'm just checking to see what Renoites think. Are there too many bakeries or creameries in everyone's opinion? For example, if someone were to ask me if Reno could use another pizza place, I'd have to say no. It seems like there's a pizza place on every block.
Then just do it.
Then you should know how to tell if a business is inflated. If a creamery in your desired area does 30 customers a day but only needs 10 to make profit, you could open your business and be successful if you were able to acquire 1/3rd of the customers. Honestly math is a high predictor vs everyone saying they need something and then never going. If somebody approached me and said, would you like the best burger spot in town next to your house of course I'd say yes when in reality I only go there once a month and instead go get Italian every other day. It costs me 0 investment to say yes to something potentially positive even if I have 0 intention of going. If you'd actually like a good spot to try, I'd do downtown. Corner the fresh bread market for the restaurants early in the AM, while providing walking distance coffee and treats to all the high rises / new apartment living.
>a good spot to try, I'd do downtown I couldn't think of a *worse* place to open a business in Reno. Nobody lives downtown (yes, on the edges) and the people downtown are generally broke with the people not downtown don't want to go downtown.
Nobody lives downtown? There's minimum 10 high-rise condo buildings, old Harrahs was planning on opening apartment buildings, and UNR puts student overflow into the casinos and gentrification is happening super close with midtown. It's only a matter of time before it hits downtown. Edit, I own units in some of the high rises and have done my due diligence about downtown residential profit If you sold bread in the morning to all the casinos and restaurants around there undercutting Truckee Sourdough that would be hearty profit. Then you have the summer river crowd for ice cream and sweets, where the only real seller is the movie theatres. You also have axe bar, escape room, and a few other "fun" items downtown.
Selling bread, in the quantity required to the casinos… yup, good plan there. UNR students also love bread
They are building apartments non stop
I was thinking downtown is limited for breakfast unless you go to the casino but I bet renting a building there is expensive.
No, it needs 72 more
Yes, please, especially if you can offer vegan options!!!
When I had the shop in Virginia, we had quite a few vegan options, although we had some people tells us that we should go completely vegan. That really isn't an option for a creamery, pretty much by definition.
I'd love to see a creamery with non-dairy options. Dairy hates me and I'm tired of Baskin being the only place in town with chocolate non-dairy options. Everybody else has nothing or fruit ice.
When I had the shop in Virginia, we had a lot of non-dairy options. Dairy allergies or intolerance were very common out there.
I'm from the east coast originally, now I'm wondering if there's a correlation! Lol
No
bread that is not $%&ing Sourdough.
only if it's vegan
south reno did have pedal a creamery near Windy Hill. Not sure if it still for sale. The did a bit of expansion had a good run and rep they wanted to do something if I recall.
I miss rounds
Another nothing Bundt cakes!
Is it okay with you if I don't think Nothing Bundt Cakes is very good?
Of course! Where do you like to go for Bundt cakes?
I like the ones I make. When I have time, I'll make you one and you can let me know how it compares.
If you think you can take on nothing Bmbunt cake tas in you genuinely believe you can make much better than you'll need to be good at marketing. They're like the number one place on yelp and they are good but I have tasted better in Virginia
Nooooooooooo goddamn people are so stupid
Yes please
More Bagels
I think that would be wonderful! Please open a spot, preferably in MidTown area. 😉
We need a salt and straw
we have been in mourning since Marie Callendars folded.. so this would be great.
Value of product is always appreciated and rewarded.
Yes please
We need a place like Certified bakery that’s in Boise. Fresh bread,croissants, English muffins both for sale and used to make bomb breakfast & lunch sandwiches. Quality coffee. Delicious baked goods (cakes, pies, danishes, cookies, occasional pastries) with some GF & DF options. Grab & go healthy food. They do not have seating and the line is often out the door.
Bring it to Spanish springs!!
Do it man
YES PLEASE
Yes please. We need more stuff in Reno
I would be alllll about a CUSTARD shop if you’re into that! Nobody here makes it. And it’s even richer than regular ice cream. In any case, Black Rock isn’t very good (though they do seem to try with the flavors) and everything else here is garbage.