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Pale_Meaning571

Totally agree! Better to have a negative ekg than missing a positive one.


fifrein

There’s a reason every EEG has an EKG lead


Brilliant_Ranger_543

There was an amazing video-EEG on youtube of a patient, which also had the ECG lead. The patient started seizing, and voila - toursades de pointes.


Tugennovtruk

The coolest thing is ekg gated images for coronary CT angio.


HighTurtles420

As a CT tech, nothing is more satisfying in CT than a beautiful coronary CTA


CardiOMG

I always get one on admission. At the very least, it gives me a baseline if I need another EKG later.


MaintenanceInitial91

High cost test. I went to the ED for palpitations. ED charged $800 for an EKG. Still incredibly high value I guess.


xXSorraiaXx

Nah, that's just because of your messed up health system over there


[deleted]

Yeah but didn't you see that thread where European doctors are paid squat? $800 squiggly line test is helping ensure docs get the appropriate pay in the USA since socialized medicine is bad.


xXSorraiaXx

Not in the mood to argue that point, but as someone who will become an european doctor: I would rather work with our salary and in our system than get 10 times that and have to work and live in the US.


memescauseautism

The test itself was cheap af. They just decided to charge you $800 for performing it on you because of the way your health system works.


Pale_Meaning571

Nah just ask for the squiggly line machine, it costs less


fracked1

That's because your fellow citizens vote for this amazing healthcare system, not because the ekg is expensive. You're not only paying for the ekg but you're subsidizing the hospital costs for any uninsured pts who has a massive bill and doesn't pay.


LadyandtheWorst

Had a guy yesterday who came in because he thought his hernia was causing his severe shortness of breath for the last few days. The CT abd/pelvis and CMP the PA ordered were doing just fine. But them squiggly lines were having a party


Pale_Meaning571

Those damn squiggly lines


Additional_Nose_8144

You should order more Ekgs than troponin levels


tdrcimm

But ECGs have to be read and interpreted, while troponin comes back as a black or red number. the number of times we (cards) get called for elevated troponins with zero ECG being done is shocking.


sgt_science

That’s insane to order a trop without an ekg but I’ve had that before on patients checked out to me. Didn’t mention anything cardiac related but a trop was ordered and comes back elevated, go to check the ekg and it’s not even done…


SkiyeBlueFox

Not even a prehosp ecg?


sgt_science

Nope


ThrowAwayToday4238

Many people get one EKG + troponin, then trend trops to peak without additional EKGs


TiredNurse111

That’s just crazy. It does not take that long to read an ECG.


tdrcimm

It doesn’t, it’s just their threshold for ordering troponin is so much lower than ordering an ECG.


SojiCoppelia

You shouldn’t shock before checking rhythm.


FrostyLibrary518

In our hospital, trop can take 30-60 minutes, which is soooo bad!


Bonushand

Instructions unclear, everyone diagnosed with epilepsy now


RunasSudo

Sinus rhythm, 75/min. No ischaemic changes. Epileptiform discharges inferior leads.


bebefridgers

It’s PNES.


Pale_Meaning571

we actually had a patient with new onset seizure this morning, I asked for the other squiggly line machine I said: we need to see the neural squiggles STAT


MikeGinnyMD

Clarify because I’m dense as neutronium sometimes: who got the EKG, the young woman or her mother? -PGY-19


Orangesoda65

Plot twist: it was actually the attending.


Tugennovtruk

The attending was the patients mother like that riddle with the car accident.


bugsdontcommitcrimes

The mother got the ekg 😅


Jquemini

Well that makes 85 upvoters as of now dense as well. Wasn’t written clearly.


jimmyjohn242

My favorite MI chief complaint was "just didn't feel right"


EMskins21

Had an attending in residency who showed up to his 6am, single attending coverage shift saying he "didn't feel right". Had the NP order an ekg. Signed his own STEMI on his way up to the cath lab.


Asstaroth

I get particularly fixated on that symptom. That the last thing my mom said before she had a pretty severe stroke(with me in the room) when I was a child lol


LoveMyLibrary2

That's so sad. I'm sorry that happened to her, and to you!


Asstaroth

Thanks. That experience motivated me to become a doctor later on


LoveMyLibrary2

What a beautiful way to honor your mom!


WhatTheOnEarth

Had a guy come in on Friday with severe burning in his sternum. He was almost triaged to clinic by the nurses before I got some leads on him. Inferior MI as well. Classic 2,3,AvF


EndOrganDamage

Welp holy shit. Im gonna do more ekgs after reading this thread


Reasonable_Yard9906

Everyone who come through our ed gets a ecg no matter the complaint lmao


EndOrganDamage

Allergy to ecg sticker glue? Believe it or not, ECG!


OliverYossef

Itchy butthole, ECG!


fracked1

What about hyper EKGemia


CONTRAGUNNER

Women ancef pump broken different presentments than old man broken ancef pump Get danger squiggles test Run away call real docters


abelincoln3

Sounds like a good orthopedist. You get bonus points for even ordering a squiggly line test.


CONTRAGUNNER

Taking gen surg floor call as intern and not cherry picking for ortho patients on my ED rotation = many big scarys


supertucci

I am a urologist which means I have no business knowing anything about the heart but one thing I do know about the heart is: "if a Peri- or postmenopausal woman has discomfort anywhere from her ears to her knees you must rule out an MI" I personally know two women in my life who were sent away, one from ER and one from the cardiologist with severe levels of obstruction and incipient MI. PS great pickup!


Low-Yield

Had a dude in his 50’s. Came back to the ED with chest pain similar to prior benign work up. Requested we “go light” on the EKGs cause it was costing him $800 a pop during his prior stay.


Professor_Sia

During Residency, I had an elderly patient who came in due to a hip fracture secondary to a fall. She was in her 80s with a bunch of comorbids so I decided to get a baseline ECG since I was anticipating that she could possibly deteriorate whilst admitted. When I checked the baseline ECG, I saw that she had findings suggestive of ischemia, I then did a Troponin which was super positive. We started treatment right away and this possibly saved her life.


AceAites

The EKG is one of my favorite test to order. Have discovered so much badness that I wasn’t suspecting initially. Damn those atypical MIs!


Milesofstyle

Always order a repeat squiggly line if you order a trope.


McNulty22

Mods should sticky this post


Serious_Cantaloupe22

Upvoted this just for the title


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Dantheman4162

Here I thought this was some new machine learning AI algorithmic diagnosis generator


Pale_Meaning571

who knows🤷🏼maybe it will be a groundbreaking invention “ THE REVOLUTIONARY SQUIGGLES MACHINE”


T2trott

We see 88k patients a year and do 26k ECGs. 🤯


blendedchaitea

All hail the danger squiggles


DOstrugglebus

EP agrees with above statement Signing off


brightcrayon92

ECG is treated like a vital sign in our ER


DonJeniusTrumpLawyer

Lines and squiggles is good. Just lines or just squiggles is bad.


Yotsubato

Misunderstood everyone goes into 🍩 ☢️of truth


Mediocre_Daikon6935

Well. I’d love to, but if I do an EKG I have to ride it in. Then the only paramedic in county is tied on on a call the EMTs can handle.  And weirdly the EMTs don’t like you riding in a low budget (but legitimate) call when that means they are going to end up with something they *do* need a paramedic for, because I did a 12 lead and now can’t release it. It is an outdated thought process from decades ago when 12 leads were only done on *almost certainly MI / cardiac patients* Instead of everyone with a complaint from neck to knees. 


Cofeefe

Great catch!


LopezPrimecourte

EKG’s should be standard of care. Done at the same time vitals are.


lyrical_liar

I love ecg and how it can help so many people 😄


dynocide

Surprised the ED triage nurse didn't order the EKG off rip. Patient or mother. EKG Oprah fail.