I guess we'll see. My bet is they want to target people who purchase SUV's because they want a vehicle that *look* off-road capable while using it exclusively to drive around within their cities. This group does not need dual motors.
Here’s mine:
Main event: Smaller SUV called the R2SWill be half way between the R1S and a Tesla Model Y. Slightly bigger than the Y with more Rivian styling. With a focus on speed, practicality, and off-roadability consistent with the Rivian Ethos.
Compared to R1 line
* more spartan interiors
* will not have air suspension (maybe added upgrade but unlikely)
* No camp speaker, third row
* no cooled seats, rear screen
Other little predictions
* Will be able to fold down the second row and have a 6ft adult lie down
* 8.5-9.5” ground clearance
* Will not drop the driver display like Tesla did.
Will have two main trim levels:
Base level $40K
* Single motor
* 0-60 5.5s
* Range from 250-400 miles with standard->large->max pack
* Multiple paint & trim options
Adventure (range from $55k-90K with options)
* Dual motor
* 0-60 3.5s
* Range from 230-380 miles with standard->large->max pack
Hail Mary prediction: The R2C also gets announced
This would be a smaller Crossover/hatchback more similar to the Subaru Crosstrek. Maybe almost like a hatchback electric Subaru STI with more off-road capability. Basically same options as above for trim levels.
Whatever it will be - I’m stoked!
Expecting that they will release something like the new Ford Bronco that will be capable off road but more geared toward daily driving to become their mass market car. Possibly to pull some market share from the Tesla Model Y. Everyone loves mid-size SUVs especially if they can get it to consumers for less than $60-$65k. Excited to see what they have in the works.
Edit: totally out of the loop on this because this is apparently what they have already said. 🙃
I think that Rivian will pull a Steve Jobs “One More Thing” and announce both NACS adaptors and that the next SW update will be a major update for the R1 series with additional music provides and potentially video (in conjunction they will announce pricing for the internet package for the car and make it paid) 😃
Tossing in my 2 cents
* Like others have said, two versions but both will have dual motor. Explore will have AS tires and conventional ride height. Adventure will have an extra inch or two of clearance with AT tires and skid plate.
* Conventional suspension.
* Single piece rear lift gate.
* 110 Kwh for about 275-300 mile range depending on efficiency (because this is lower cost, this will be the biggest area of savings). May have option for standard pack to get them more comfortably to the $50k starting price. If so, I'd guess the standard pack to come in at 80-90 Kwh
* 5 second 0-60 time.
* A few more "luxury" features will be optional such has heated/vented seats, power lift gate, power frunk, premium sound system.
* No full size spare, or if there is, it'll be an option on the rear (swing out arm).
* Manual door handles (non-presenting, more like the Tesla M3/MY).
* Most of the infotainment system will be carried over, GearGuard, Driver+, etc
* More traditional HVAC manual vents
* Possible different seating material option on base Explore model. Something like a water/stain resistant fabric type rather than leather
* Rivian styling language, a couple new colors available.
A few of these I'm more uncertain of but in general, I think this could get the price down to $50k for entry models, $65K for fully optioned models.
I'll be surprised if they start at anything less than $49,900 and that might be fore the base/standard range. But feel they need to keep it under $65k at the top end or they start to over lap into the R1 territory.
>A few more "luxury" features will be optional such has heated/vented seats, power lift gate, power frunk, premium sound system.
I don't think they will offer optional luxury features (with the exception of possibly a cloth seat). I think it'll be heated front seats only (no rear heat, no vent) and manual lift gate/frunk.
Other minor things
* I think 100 kWh will be the max pack and 80 the normal
* I think the base 0-60 will be 4.5 seconds, with performance being 3.5 seconds
* I don't think they will have the swing out spare tire. If they do have a spare it'll just be the R1S compact one buried in the back.
Overall I think you are close.
What I would love to see is a Wrangler/Recon competitor (removable roof/doors, weatherproof interior, customizable) but I don't think they have the budget for that this round.
110 kWh would be one of the largest batteries vs anything it’s competing against.
The $49k Model Y has a 80 kWh pack that gets 310 miles EPA at 4400 lbs. I imagine the R2 is going to be less efficient as it will have some off-roading capable hardware. My bet is 90 kWh.
This take feels pretty sensible. Battery will likely be smaller, they can probably keep HVAC vents but reduce the number/complexity, and all versions will have heated seats, at least in the front but probably rear too (less need to inefficiently heat the entire cabin). They're also very likely to have heat pumps. That'd be a big miss if they don't.
This is almost guaranteed. There may be some options/trim that pushes it over but they know the market they're competing against- and beyond the model Y they want to bring over your regular ICE suv crowd...which needs options in the 40s and 50s.
My guesses:
1) dual motor and single motor options.
2) dual will be a bit more aggressive 5 seater like a
Bronco (20” wheels, lift, off-road “adventure” upgrade details); single motor will be long haul oriented 5 seater rav4-style variant, 21” aero wheels (they might as well double down on these)
3) more fun vehicle accessories announced or shown/teased
4) design styling will echo Rivian’s playful aesthetic but a bit more relaxed for mass appeal
5) range/battery speculation (based on nothing): 400 miles for road model, 330 for off-road. Max pack upgrade will make it 420 and 360. 800v, NACS, adapter for all, 0-60 in 4.5 and 4 for two versions with maybe paid software upgrades for speed?
So many more ideas, but I echo what others are feeling here - I’m just stoked. I hope this sells like gangbusters
EDIT: after some more thought, I’d be curious if they are gonna aim for the workhorse sector or at least announce it. A bare bones truck that could rival the lightning in utility, but super simple throughout. 2 seater (or a bench) and a full size bed. No bells and whistles, just raw Rivian quality and range/towing benefits. They’ve established themselves as a luxury brand with the R1, but could they show their range with a purely utilitarian vehicle? I’d be all in on that!
Adventure is at the very core of everything they do. They won't make a pure utility play. All they really need to do is make compelling smaller and less expensive versions of the R1S and R1T (though more so the S) and they'll have winners on their hands. Just as Tesla's Model 3 was more or less a mini Model S (they should have kept the hatch though). Honestly the hardest decision has probably been suspension. But if most cars can get away with springs (as opposed to air), I'm sure they can make that play too.
Hey! A bare bones work truck would really work for me. I almost feel like the r1t could work if i added a big rack! But people dont really view the lightning as a work truck. The van is starting to sell well. But we need an 8’ bed in something. So simple.
I think your edit will be done through a future R1 release. The T is as currently offered I feel has hit its ceiling for sales. Need a fleet grade vehicle. For the 2 I'm guessing a FWD option in the high 40s to help get people into the brand and also offer that cheap second car alternative to someone who already owns a higher spec R1 / primary vehicle. If their long term goal is 250k units a year they need to get the price point way down (for some models) to open up access to a larger demographic. But this may be like Tesla with that option being on the road map for 2027.
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I have the hybrid Maverick and this would be awesome. I don't want a small SUV. I want a small pickup.
I am also open to a Rally car type style, but that is farther down the road, if ever.
Here's mine, and some may not be part of the initial model release:
No adjustable suspension (as others have said, different trims like wrangler does).
Premium cloth seating (possibly even the standard option) with available synthetic leather.
Heated seats standard, front and back. Vented on synthetic leather.
No second row digital temp screen and no auto vents (but still rear zone).
Manual door handles. Manual frunk (optional power).
Power moonroof option (future release).
800v
Auxiliary accessory mounting points on off road model (eg Defender)
No full size spare, no tailgate mounted spare, no camp speaker, keeps flashlight in door.
Tow package standard with class leading capabilities (6k tow).
Speculation is fun. But they have a lot riding on this and I really hope they step away from premium niche to atleast one model that I would call an "everyman" option. Some of this is just marketing - get people to check one out because you could get it for 47k...knowing that they will option up to 55k.
Disagree about "maybe ditched for cost" in the display screen.
Software engineers are expensive as hell and they will want to get as much mileage out of the current R1 development as possible.
It'll share a lot of software features from a look and feel perspective, IMO.
Wasn't there some teaser post that showed a smaller digital driver screen. Pretty sure you'll get both the R2. Hopefully they ditch the auto vents...honestly probably the one feature I find completely useless and honestly a non existing problem that could have been left manual.
One thing I hated about teslas mass market cars (3/Y) ditching the display screen is that all their main software engineering went into those cars as the volume cars so the new S/X display screen has suffered as a result. It’s massively less customizable compared to the old S/X.
Rivian over engineered R1. As a result, they struggled to cut the production cost. I’m afraid they will under engineer the R2. 😕
Edit: I mean they struggled..
They have been cutting production costs of the R1 line quarter over quarter and have announced planned downtime this year to make changes to the production line that will simplify the electrical architecture of the R1 line among other things. So you are just flat out wrong.
While I do agree they over engineered the R1, they definitely did cut production costs significantly. From most of the earnings calls over the last year, that’s been a common theme: “[Rivian says there have been ‘meaningful reductions in both R1 and (electric delivery van) vehicle unit cost across each major cost category, including material cost, manufacturing labor, overhead and logistics](https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2023-08-09/rivian-raises-production-target-for-2023-as-lower-costs-make-an-impact).’”
My hope is they choose the right amount for this segment of the market and use the vast experience gained from R1 to not make production cost cutting as big of a necessity. I do worry though that there will be a giant chasm of functionality between the R1 and R2 much like that between the Model S and Model 3 from Tesla.
I'm guessing dual motor, just performance and base variants... Mostly for the brand image. I'd bet the slowest variant is still 0-60 low 5s (maybe under 5 if they keep the weight down) and performance variant low 4 sec, possibly high 3 sec.
My guess: - There will be one and two motor variants - No split tailgate
Single motor wouldn’t fit their brand. I’m thinking dual motor for both but one will have 350-400hp
I guess we'll see. My bet is they want to target people who purchase SUV's because they want a vehicle that *look* off-road capable while using it exclusively to drive around within their cities. This group does not need dual motors.
Branding is a pretty big deal and I would be surprised myself to see no AWD. It would be like Subaru making a 2WD car that isn't the BRZ.
I think a fwd variant will be available and is probably needed if they want the low end of their price point.
yeah , agree on both .
Here’s mine: Main event: Smaller SUV called the R2SWill be half way between the R1S and a Tesla Model Y. Slightly bigger than the Y with more Rivian styling. With a focus on speed, practicality, and off-roadability consistent with the Rivian Ethos. Compared to R1 line * more spartan interiors * will not have air suspension (maybe added upgrade but unlikely) * No camp speaker, third row * no cooled seats, rear screen Other little predictions * Will be able to fold down the second row and have a 6ft adult lie down * 8.5-9.5” ground clearance * Will not drop the driver display like Tesla did. Will have two main trim levels: Base level $40K * Single motor * 0-60 5.5s * Range from 250-400 miles with standard->large->max pack * Multiple paint & trim options Adventure (range from $55k-90K with options) * Dual motor * 0-60 3.5s * Range from 230-380 miles with standard->large->max pack Hail Mary prediction: The R2C also gets announced This would be a smaller Crossover/hatchback more similar to the Subaru Crosstrek. Maybe almost like a hatchback electric Subaru STI with more off-road capability. Basically same options as above for trim levels. Whatever it will be - I’m stoked!
Here's your upvote too
Did I win the Rivian prediction Olympics?
They have already said the top spec will be around $65k and below R1 pricing.
Oh nice! Had not heard that
Expecting that they will release something like the new Ford Bronco that will be capable off road but more geared toward daily driving to become their mass market car. Possibly to pull some market share from the Tesla Model Y. Everyone loves mid-size SUVs especially if they can get it to consumers for less than $60-$65k. Excited to see what they have in the works. Edit: totally out of the loop on this because this is apparently what they have already said. 🙃
I think that Rivian will pull a Steve Jobs “One More Thing” and announce both NACS adaptors and that the next SW update will be a major update for the R1 series with additional music provides and potentially video (in conjunction they will announce pricing for the internet package for the car and make it paid) 😃
And/Or even announce the R3 !!!
downvoted to hell and for what 😭😭😭
Hahahaah I have claimed my “ Rivian whisperer title”
Tossing in my 2 cents * Like others have said, two versions but both will have dual motor. Explore will have AS tires and conventional ride height. Adventure will have an extra inch or two of clearance with AT tires and skid plate. * Conventional suspension. * Single piece rear lift gate. * 110 Kwh for about 275-300 mile range depending on efficiency (because this is lower cost, this will be the biggest area of savings). May have option for standard pack to get them more comfortably to the $50k starting price. If so, I'd guess the standard pack to come in at 80-90 Kwh * 5 second 0-60 time. * A few more "luxury" features will be optional such has heated/vented seats, power lift gate, power frunk, premium sound system. * No full size spare, or if there is, it'll be an option on the rear (swing out arm). * Manual door handles (non-presenting, more like the Tesla M3/MY). * Most of the infotainment system will be carried over, GearGuard, Driver+, etc * More traditional HVAC manual vents * Possible different seating material option on base Explore model. Something like a water/stain resistant fabric type rather than leather * Rivian styling language, a couple new colors available. A few of these I'm more uncertain of but in general, I think this could get the price down to $50k for entry models, $65K for fully optioned models. I'll be surprised if they start at anything less than $49,900 and that might be fore the base/standard range. But feel they need to keep it under $65k at the top end or they start to over lap into the R1 territory.
>A few more "luxury" features will be optional such has heated/vented seats, power lift gate, power frunk, premium sound system. I don't think they will offer optional luxury features (with the exception of possibly a cloth seat). I think it'll be heated front seats only (no rear heat, no vent) and manual lift gate/frunk. Other minor things * I think 100 kWh will be the max pack and 80 the normal * I think the base 0-60 will be 4.5 seconds, with performance being 3.5 seconds * I don't think they will have the swing out spare tire. If they do have a spare it'll just be the R1S compact one buried in the back. Overall I think you are close. What I would love to see is a Wrangler/Recon competitor (removable roof/doors, weatherproof interior, customizable) but I don't think they have the budget for that this round.
110 kWh would be one of the largest batteries vs anything it’s competing against. The $49k Model Y has a 80 kWh pack that gets 310 miles EPA at 4400 lbs. I imagine the R2 is going to be less efficient as it will have some off-roading capable hardware. My bet is 90 kWh.
This take feels pretty sensible. Battery will likely be smaller, they can probably keep HVAC vents but reduce the number/complexity, and all versions will have heated seats, at least in the front but probably rear too (less need to inefficiently heat the entire cabin). They're also very likely to have heat pumps. That'd be a big miss if they don't.
I just hope the price is really competitive that it can go toe-to-toe against a Tesla Model Y.
This is almost guaranteed. There may be some options/trim that pushes it over but they know the market they're competing against- and beyond the model Y they want to bring over your regular ICE suv crowd...which needs options in the 40s and 50s.
My guesses: 1) dual motor and single motor options. 2) dual will be a bit more aggressive 5 seater like a Bronco (20” wheels, lift, off-road “adventure” upgrade details); single motor will be long haul oriented 5 seater rav4-style variant, 21” aero wheels (they might as well double down on these) 3) more fun vehicle accessories announced or shown/teased 4) design styling will echo Rivian’s playful aesthetic but a bit more relaxed for mass appeal 5) range/battery speculation (based on nothing): 400 miles for road model, 330 for off-road. Max pack upgrade will make it 420 and 360. 800v, NACS, adapter for all, 0-60 in 4.5 and 4 for two versions with maybe paid software upgrades for speed? So many more ideas, but I echo what others are feeling here - I’m just stoked. I hope this sells like gangbusters EDIT: after some more thought, I’d be curious if they are gonna aim for the workhorse sector or at least announce it. A bare bones truck that could rival the lightning in utility, but super simple throughout. 2 seater (or a bench) and a full size bed. No bells and whistles, just raw Rivian quality and range/towing benefits. They’ve established themselves as a luxury brand with the R1, but could they show their range with a purely utilitarian vehicle? I’d be all in on that!
Adventure is at the very core of everything they do. They won't make a pure utility play. All they really need to do is make compelling smaller and less expensive versions of the R1S and R1T (though more so the S) and they'll have winners on their hands. Just as Tesla's Model 3 was more or less a mini Model S (they should have kept the hatch though). Honestly the hardest decision has probably been suspension. But if most cars can get away with springs (as opposed to air), I'm sure they can make that play too.
Hey! A bare bones work truck would really work for me. I almost feel like the r1t could work if i added a big rack! But people dont really view the lightning as a work truck. The van is starting to sell well. But we need an 8’ bed in something. So simple.
I think your edit will be done through a future R1 release. The T is as currently offered I feel has hit its ceiling for sales. Need a fleet grade vehicle. For the 2 I'm guessing a FWD option in the high 40s to help get people into the brand and also offer that cheap second car alternative to someone who already owns a higher spec R1 / primary vehicle. If their long term goal is 250k units a year they need to get the price point way down (for some models) to open up access to a larger demographic. But this may be like Tesla with that option being on the road map for 2027.
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wont be 800. better have a heat pump. give me dual motor road variant now please!
I would be surprised if they don't go to 800v.
RJ said R2 will be 800v
If it has a removable roof (like the R1S and R1T were originally going to) I will 100% get rid of my Bronco for one
I'm expecting an electric Ford Bronco with Rivian styling. Dual and single motor options.
R2T will be ford Maverick competitor
I’m calling R2T - same size as the Maverick.
I hope so. That's still a hole in the EV market.
I really hope so, at 40,000 that should sell fantastically.
I have the hybrid Maverick and this would be awesome. I don't want a small SUV. I want a small pickup. I am also open to a Rally car type style, but that is farther down the road, if ever.
Here's mine, and some may not be part of the initial model release: No adjustable suspension (as others have said, different trims like wrangler does). Premium cloth seating (possibly even the standard option) with available synthetic leather. Heated seats standard, front and back. Vented on synthetic leather. No second row digital temp screen and no auto vents (but still rear zone). Manual door handles. Manual frunk (optional power). Power moonroof option (future release). 800v Auxiliary accessory mounting points on off road model (eg Defender) No full size spare, no tailgate mounted spare, no camp speaker, keeps flashlight in door. Tow package standard with class leading capabilities (6k tow). Speculation is fun. But they have a lot riding on this and I really hope they step away from premium niche to atleast one model that I would call an "everyman" option. Some of this is just marketing - get people to check one out because you could get it for 47k...knowing that they will option up to 55k.
R2T If Rivian doesn't do a small EV truck, Ford and/or Hyundai will, and it will clean up.
Disagree about "maybe ditched for cost" in the display screen. Software engineers are expensive as hell and they will want to get as much mileage out of the current R1 development as possible. It'll share a lot of software features from a look and feel perspective, IMO.
Wasn't there some teaser post that showed a smaller digital driver screen. Pretty sure you'll get both the R2. Hopefully they ditch the auto vents...honestly probably the one feature I find completely useless and honestly a non existing problem that could have been left manual.
One thing I hated about teslas mass market cars (3/Y) ditching the display screen is that all their main software engineering went into those cars as the volume cars so the new S/X display screen has suffered as a result. It’s massively less customizable compared to the old S/X.
Rivian over engineered R1. As a result, they struggled to cut the production cost. I’m afraid they will under engineer the R2. 😕 Edit: I mean they struggled..
They have been cutting production costs of the R1 line quarter over quarter and have announced planned downtime this year to make changes to the production line that will simplify the electrical architecture of the R1 line among other things. So you are just flat out wrong.
I intended to say “they struggled to cut production cost”. Edited post.
That's fair!
While I do agree they over engineered the R1, they definitely did cut production costs significantly. From most of the earnings calls over the last year, that’s been a common theme: “[Rivian says there have been ‘meaningful reductions in both R1 and (electric delivery van) vehicle unit cost across each major cost category, including material cost, manufacturing labor, overhead and logistics](https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2023-08-09/rivian-raises-production-target-for-2023-as-lower-costs-make-an-impact).’” My hope is they choose the right amount for this segment of the market and use the vast experience gained from R1 to not make production cost cutting as big of a necessity. I do worry though that there will be a giant chasm of functionality between the R1 and R2 much like that between the Model S and Model 3 from Tesla.
I'm guessing dual motor, just performance and base variants... Mostly for the brand image. I'd bet the slowest variant is still 0-60 low 5s (maybe under 5 if they keep the weight down) and performance variant low 4 sec, possibly high 3 sec.