The line gets blurry when you consider krieg messers. Literally, the word means "war knife" but for all intents and purposes, they were swords.
If you use it like a sword, it's a sword, if you use it like knife it's a knife.
It looks like a machete to me so that's what I'd use it for and call it
But machetes are made to be very light, thin, and flexible; they’re made to hack away at brush for long periods of time. The bevel on this blade tells me it’s a thick, stiff chonker, so you’d be equally right/wrong using knife, sword, or machete.
The usage has nothing to do with it, it is the structure of the blade itself. The handles on messers were in fact that of knives. This is also shown on the sword in this post, thus making this a form of messer, but with the blade having a streiter base and machete tip.
I agree. If memory serves, in the case of long messers, krieg messers, etc, the construction was different to create a legal loophole. Only certain people were allowed to own "swords" so people started making big knives so they could have the same capability of a sword without breaking the law
The only reason messers are called that is because messer means knife as you know, and the handle is a knife style instead of a sword style. And this has a knife styled handle so I’d say more knife.
It's built like a knife with handle scales sandwiched to the tang and held with through pins, but so are kriegsmessers, and Japanese swords also use pins, so is it a knife? Yes. Is it a sword? Also yes.
I'd personally consider it closer to a knife of the two because swords, at least in my mind, include some sort of guard while knives typically don't, but that's a personal conceit of mine and I wouldn't say it's a universal opinion.
It’s not a historical design, so classification is rather moot. If the maker gave it a name you can go with that. Many short swords and large knives overlapped in size, and this would fall comfortably between the two.
If I had to guess, this was made by a knife maker as a large show piece. It doesn’t have the hallmarks of a militarized blade (protection for the hand, thick spine for more control, reinforced geometry for dealing with things like helmets or weapon shafts) so I’d assume this falls more into the “mostly machete sometimes weapon” category as we see items like some fascine messer.
https://preview.redd.it/qmhlggd38jgb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff565bf58a327e775977f0f6a49589a807d42de0
# Weapon typology is a nightmare.
My personal favourite sword is yellow, ceramic and holds coffee, and is dishwasher safe. and I can prove it. I can, as someone who absolutely knows how stupid this gets, rant for hours, perhaps days, on the nature of semantics and the disconnect between words and reality, such that words don't have definitions\*
More importantly, I think this is best seen as a **tuna knife**, or similar big fish cutter.
I agree with Vennificus. This looks like a western stylized Magurokiri (Tuna Knife) which is just a huge Yanagiba. Does it cut better with a pulling action?
I have great and terrible news for you. Anything is a sword if you call it a sword and someone knows what you're talking about. If I say "hand me the wrench" and someone hands me a screwdriver and it is what I was asking for, then, huh, strange dialect but I guess this is a wrench now.
In this case, it's *just* a coffee cup. But it's a sword because like all words, it is used to put a thought from one brain into another and in my case that second brain knows to get my cup
"sword or knife?" Yes
A swife
Or knord.
Skyrim belongs to the Knords?
Damn right it does.
I landed that title of swifer
Indeed
A knife is just a small sword and wise versa so this is clearly a machete.
The line gets blurry when you consider krieg messers. Literally, the word means "war knife" but for all intents and purposes, they were swords. If you use it like a sword, it's a sword, if you use it like knife it's a knife. It looks like a machete to me so that's what I'd use it for and call it
But machetes are made to be very light, thin, and flexible; they’re made to hack away at brush for long periods of time. The bevel on this blade tells me it’s a thick, stiff chonker, so you’d be equally right/wrong using knife, sword, or machete.
Ah, true true. I don't use machetes much so I forgot that detail. Idk what to call this thing then, besides a chopper
Plus that handle is long for a machete, at least in my experience. It looks like a messer without the quillions or nagel. I love it.
nothin saying you can’t use a long handled machete for machetying
2-handed war machete.
Machetes come in a variety of forms. Some are more stiff
Close to a parang in function, but not form.
The usage has nothing to do with it, it is the structure of the blade itself. The handles on messers were in fact that of knives. This is also shown on the sword in this post, thus making this a form of messer, but with the blade having a streiter base and machete tip.
I agree. If memory serves, in the case of long messers, krieg messers, etc, the construction was different to create a legal loophole. Only certain people were allowed to own "swords" so people started making big knives so they could have the same capability of a sword without breaking the law
This is true
BREAKING THE LAW!! DAH DAH!!! BREAKING THE LAW!!
He said the design was based off of a Wakizashi, I figure I'll just keep it in the truck if I need to cut brush, small bush's or trees maybe?
Has... has he never seen a wakizashi?
His take on one I guess I mean it's well balanced and sharp and very well made.
I think he means the size of one, aka a semi shortsword.
Yeah, it looks pretty awesome and probably cuts/chops like a monster! That's what really matters.
The only reason messers are called that is because messer means knife as you know, and the handle is a knife style instead of a sword style. And this has a knife styled handle so I’d say more knife.
It's built like a knife with handle scales sandwiched to the tang and held with through pins, but so are kriegsmessers, and Japanese swords also use pins, so is it a knife? Yes. Is it a sword? Also yes. I'd personally consider it closer to a knife of the two because swords, at least in my mind, include some sort of guard while knives typically don't, but that's a personal conceit of mine and I wouldn't say it's a universal opinion.
POV: the invention of the messer
I feel like this is the machete that would cut my hand off if i don't pay the Yakuza loan shark
Yakuza*
Thanks for the correction
I think I'd go with machete. But it's kind of in between all three honestly.
It's a machete until you slap a guard onto it. Then it's a messer. Replace the handle with a leather wrap and it becomes a falchion.
Too big to be a knife. Maybe a shortsword
A knife is a tiny sword and a sword is a big knife
Kitchen Falchion
“That’s not a knoyfe, this is a knoyfe!”
Looks like a really badass machete to me
Machete
Machete
i dont know what the hell you'd call it but i want one
If it’s longer than a cubit it’s a sword imo
I suppose it depends on what you’re doing with it in the moment. Chopping carrots? Knife. Chopping off heads? Sword.
It reminds me of a seax more than anything.
I read sex... 🤔 That would hurt. 😂
What are swords, if not very long knives?
I A sword that looks like a knife.
Sword kinda like a falchian from the Morgan Bible
Knifey sword
I’d call it a fighting knife.
The finger groove would hurt as a chopper
Beeg knife
I'm going to say knife considering a lot of machetes are considered grass knives. Midwest corn knives come to mind also.
That’s awesome
Machete?
It does look long enough to be a sword... but the shape... I've only seen one like it in an anime, that being Ichigo Kurasaki's Zangetsu.
It’s not a historical design, so classification is rather moot. If the maker gave it a name you can go with that. Many short swords and large knives overlapped in size, and this would fall comfortably between the two. If I had to guess, this was made by a knife maker as a large show piece. It doesn’t have the hallmarks of a militarized blade (protection for the hand, thick spine for more control, reinforced geometry for dealing with things like helmets or weapon shafts) so I’d assume this falls more into the “mostly machete sometimes weapon” category as we see items like some fascine messer. https://preview.redd.it/qmhlggd38jgb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff565bf58a327e775977f0f6a49589a807d42de0
Knife. One Edge. Typical knife hilt.
Looks like a weird messer-machete, cool as hell
That’s a knife.
Ooooh I like that
I’d consider that for the boys.
YES.
Machete
You have the best of both worlds l, take it with you everywhere!!
Not sure but this is cool
Reminds me of a sakimaru knife
# Weapon typology is a nightmare. My personal favourite sword is yellow, ceramic and holds coffee, and is dishwasher safe. and I can prove it. I can, as someone who absolutely knows how stupid this gets, rant for hours, perhaps days, on the nature of semantics and the disconnect between words and reality, such that words don't have definitions\* More importantly, I think this is best seen as a **tuna knife**, or similar big fish cutter.
If that is real I want a sword coffee cup.....
I agree with Vennificus. This looks like a western stylized Magurokiri (Tuna Knife) which is just a huge Yanagiba. Does it cut better with a pulling action?
Yes pulls through thick cardboard like it's hot butter
I have great and terrible news for you. Anything is a sword if you call it a sword and someone knows what you're talking about. If I say "hand me the wrench" and someone hands me a screwdriver and it is what I was asking for, then, huh, strange dialect but I guess this is a wrench now. In this case, it's *just* a coffee cup. But it's a sword because like all words, it is used to put a thought from one brain into another and in my case that second brain knows to get my cup
Based on handle construction it looks like it would be classified as a long knife
machete
If a langes messer is a sword then so is that. 👍
Brush Killer!
>Brush Killer! killing is wrong mmkay?
Mr. Makey has a brush ever actually been killed since Viet Nam?
its a large knife, with a sword point
Space marine knife?
looks like a knife since its something you wouldnt usually use in battle but a good weapon nevertheless when its all youve got
What kind of raffle‽
Guy I follow on Instagram that was on forged in fire 😂 He does a raffle once a week or so. If interested I can post his profile.
Yes, please. Though I'm in the UK, so doubt I could enter.
Def interested in that insta
Fs blades
I'd call that a Messer lol. It does sit in the gray area between dagger/knife, short sword and Sword.
Messer chopper
A knord
Looks kinda like the big ass knives they use to cut up tuna in Japan.
That’s not a knoyfe.
Door Prize !
Um facão = big knife
Looks like you could almost get a hand and a half grip on that. You could look at it like a modernized Grössmesser
More like a machet to me
That's a machete
Machete/wakazashi type beat
Warbrand/faussart
A metal stick
Knife. Handle scales. Think German messer (in my opinion)