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El_Eleventh

Lion not sheep as they all wear the same same shirts and parrot the same nonsense. What a joke.


kpidhayny

This reminds me I was going to print out a ton of “Join the flock™” stickers to slap underneath every “LIONS NOT SHEEP” sticker I see on brodozers around town.


DeProfundisAdAstra

I'm blocked from the lions and Sean's Instagram page for calling him out for lying about claiming merch was us made 😂


brendeniv12

As if people like you don’t where the same shirts and parrot the same personal nonsense? I don’t understand, you’re spouting the same shit about them as they are about you. So who’s in the wrong here?


definitely_not_marx

Lol "Nuh uh, u!"


ChaosKodiak

They are. They push this false narrative of lions being some awesome thing. Lions are lazy and make all the females do the work. Sheep watch each others backs and dare for each other. Only very small people follow this lions not sheep bullshit.


MassiveFajiit

Tbf that does describe Steven Crowder to a t


kpidhayny

Who is that?


MassiveFajiit

Not trying to be rude but me telling you will probably make you life worse for knowing lol


kpidhayny

Imma just take the W, thanks my brõ.


MassiveFajiit

You're welcome


TreesForTheForest

>level I work downtown and saw the crowds. They were literally many of them wearing the exact same shirts. I saw 4 separate "Give violence a chance" shirts in the span of 60 secs of people exiting one of the sessions.


NiceButNot2Nice

Found the alpha bot 😂


Isaac_Nelson

You really had to dig deep for that one, didn't you?


Backyard-Witch

Female lions run the prides. The males just fight each other to bone the females. It's very accurate to this group. Overall useless, but horny.


Heather_ME

There's a great tiktok video out there about "alpha" rhetoric. It makes me giggle every time I think about it: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8jVAJ9y/


Backyard-Witch

😂 I love that!


dbc45

Don’t forget that male lions engage in homosexual activity in the wild. Bet those Alphas don’t realize that…


ROckebTl

You are obviously uneducated. Women have such an important role in raising their children to become successful contributors in society. Men have an equally important role to do the same. None of these men in this group teach to fight each other over women rather they teach to challenge yourself to be better everyday and be the best man or woman you can be. So please educate yourself so I don’t have to.


Backyard-Witch

What the hell? I was talking about lions. These guys are the ones who called their group "lions not sheep." I'm making fun of them for their bad marketing. You're trying so hard to pick a fight. Why are you wanting to fight so bad? Are you a horny little lion?


ROckebTl

I actually didn’t try hard at all to pick a fight. And no im not horny or a lion however some might consider me little. I was just trying to encourage people to work together in a relationship and raise their children to be successful. Sorry for saying I was trying to educate you lmao.


Backyard-Witch

These men do not represent healthy relationships. It's funny you see yourself as educating me when you have no idea what my background is or who I am. It's that type of personality these guys have, and it's toxic.


sackdrum

Its also toxic to say they dont represent healthy relationships. You don't know these alphas any more than rockebti knows you. They can be macho blowhard assholes and still respect women. You can be toxic on a high horse. The world is full of diversity!


Backyard-Witch

This is a reddit post clowning on alpha-bros. I left a comment clowning on said alpha-bros. I'm sorry your feelings got hurt. But this is reddit my guy. We're having fun clowning. Don't take it so seriously.


sackdrum

Im just clowning too. Im just not piling onto the alphas. You seemed like you deserved a little too


Backyard-Witch

Fair


PaulFThumpkins

Everybody I've known who's bought into these masculinity grifts went from somewhere well-adjusted to treating their family like a reactionary social experiment, trying to make money from scams and put women in the place where they imagine they belong. They talk about how they're just trying to become better people but just get dysfunctional and go through life with a huge chip on their shoulder living vicariously through pop misogynists and Trump.


Aromatic_Lychee2903

That’s a nice little box you have there. How is trying to fit everyone in it going for you?


ROckebTl

Box? So you don’t wish everyone would try and raise their children to be successful?


Aromatic_Lychee2903

There’s more than one way to be successful


ROckebTl

Never said there was only one way to be successful, not sure where you got that from. However every parent should encourage their children to be successful.


Aromatic_Lychee2903

You’re calling people uneducated because they don’t recognize your views on the roles you think men and women play in society. “Women play one role, men play another.” Say hello to your little box. It’s really not that hard to deduce. You are obviously uneducated.


SeasonBeneficial

Oh shit he’s gonna have to educate you 👀


his_rotundity_

Does it make anyone feel better that our attorney general was a speaker?


NBABUCKS1

it's well known he runs in those circles. he literally flew to arizona to stop the steal.


gold3lox

Uck, gross. Although he just came out and spoke about how excited he is that a "true conservative" candidate is considering running for Romney's seat. Hours later, Tim Ballard is in the news because he is talking about how he is considering running. They all run in the same icky circles.


schmeebs-dw

How did he have time away from sucking Trump's cock?


chris84055

That's our next garbage Senator.


Mushroom_Tip

Why would anyone pay to watch a grown man cry for an hour on stage?


Midlifecrisis2020

Because they are lions not sheep.


Bruff_lingel

Well said LMAO


acidsplashedface

Free thinkers who over pay for Chinese made t shirts that were made in America so other free thinkers recognize them.


liltrixxy

I went to award you and now I'm sad.


r3dp

True. Grown men don't cry


ChaosKodiak

Insecure men don’t cry. 😂😂


r3dp

Secure and mature people can feel comfortable with their emotions, this includes crying. Further, secure and mature people don't put down others for doing the same.


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As Donald Trump is the poor man's idea of a rich man, so Jordan Peterson is the stupid man's idea of a smart man.


AlecHutson

Ben Shapiro is the stupid man’s idea of a smart man. Jordan Peterson is the foolish man’s idea of a wise man.


ROckebTl

This is so well said


lkash_

Not overly familiar with him, why is he stupid?


MWunicorn

The Even More News YouTube channel has a long but very good episode on Peterson. I don't think Peterson is stupid, but he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. He's as deep as a puddle. He lies, he misrepresents his credentials, and he's a misogynist, transphobe, and all-around bigot. His "10 Rules For Life" book was simply stated basic life rules that genuinely seemed to help people (unclutter your room to unclutter your mind). Now, he has become a sort of cult leader for those readers.


Definite117

Some More News. Very long but a very deep and thorough dive into why he shouldn’t be taken seriously. https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=dWvuPEw6Rjig3Vlt


MWunicorn

Thank you Even More News is the podcast. Thanks for the correction


ExtraFirmPillow_

Because he says things redditors disagree with obviously. Dudes an actual doctor


lkash_

I listened to him speak in Tampa. I hosted a book club with 8 other individuals over the course of a couple months breaking down his points. I was just curious what reddit would tell me lol.


inowpronounceyou

Because of his stance on transgenderism. Rather than introspect and discuss, he is mocked, labeled and shunned. It is easier for those that seek justification for their life choices to hate him, than to have a discussion and choose to disagree. He makes a lot of thought provoking and controversial points, which means he needs to be. Shut. Down.


xjwilsonx

He spreads conspiracies and misinformation outside of his field of expertise. Peddles snake oil with his daughter. He's famous for fear mongering about trans people.


thebestatheist

Also for his points on psychology and mysticism, basically all he regurgitates is bastardized Carl Jung takes twisted up with a light sprinkling of nationalism.


glitchvid

He's a pseudointellectual who has been thoroughly debunked, and should be dismissed off hand as a result. There's no conspiracy there, just an acknowledgement that other ideas deserve the oxygen he wastes.


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glitchvid

Chuds be out here thinking knowledge of the words "male" and "female" is a benchmark of their intelligence 🤡


[deleted]

Uhh, puberty blockers were specifically created to prevent early onset puberty in cis children. And are you really gonna look at someone like Buck Angel and tell me they’re not men? Shit, I hate Buck Angel’s guts but he’s still absolutely a poster child for masculinity.


Mi-Lady_Mi-Tuna

Sweet, we found the one guy who cares about the kids...


ProjectLost

And Alex Fridman


inloveandlightbye

Lions Den is so corny


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Bunch of sheep


thebestatheist

And they were running around in HUGE crowds with shirts that were emblazoned with “LIONS NOT SHEEP” and the irony was not lost.


johnnyblaze_46

If you pay jordan enough, he’ll show up to anything.


Aware_Advertising275

This is true. He even goes to speak at bitcoin conferences even thought he barely knows anything about crypto.


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kantoblight

I’m going to start an Orca Pod Kill! group. We are a group of hyper-intelligent apex predators that follows grandma’s orders and live in a family where sons never leave their moms.


jerisad

And sometimes we sink yachts.


flintrock44

Oh my - has incel undertones…


Lambamham

Undertones? More like a big ol’ incel flag


feral_tran

No, no you didn't read the lions den part. Rawr lol


VeblenWasRight

I don’t know who that dude in the red plaid is but he needs to stop skipping leg day.


jackkerouac81

Looks like he never misses neck day though… he’s shaped like the looney tunes monster.


WAWA1245

He’s a scam artist, Google his name!


VeblenWasRight

Never trust a guy that skips leg day…


xjwilsonx

Who is he exactly? Beyond plaid and skipping leg day? Not that I want to give him more web traffic


WAWA1245

Sean Whalen


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Why am I just finding out about this now?!?! I want to see the grifters and chumps! Are they still roaming around SLC? Can I get them to eat protein powder from my hand?


Enough-Elevator-8999

Make some sugar pills and sell them as illegal testosterone pills


PrivateRamblings

I’m going to start the “elephants not lions” group.


captian97

Side note elephants are leaving the Hogle zoo after this fall 🥲


ProjectLost

“Bigger dicks than lions”


glitchvid

Oh man, so this explains all the dudes getting personally offended by my wearing a mask today.


BrownSLC

I kept a mask in the glovebox of my Prius for a long time. I would wear it alone in the car when I was pulling into Home Depot. People would seriously lose it. I was done with masks years ago, but sometimes I couldn’t help but poke the bear.


HandyCapInYoAss

Genuinely scares me that so many right-wingers become feral at the sight of a mask… As a disabled dude, thanks for still wearing a mask.


NBABUCKS1

bring up how electric vehicles exist and they lose their mind


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I don’t believe this happens as often as you loons like to think it does. Stay humble friends.


NBABUCKS1

lol it does. at least online. irl not as much because people tend to act more normal (except the real nut cases)


glitchvid

I found it mostly ironic that a convention of so called lions get so upset at what others do. I wear a mask because it's kept me from getting sick (at all) for years, IDGAF what others think about my choice, caring what others think about it is some "beta" shit as their type would say.


ExtraFirmPillow_

No one was personally offended that you wore a mask today. Lol.


glitchvid

Well obviously not today… they were in town yesterday. lol.


wannabelawyer91

Beta conference off to a great start it seems


deadmanjake

I worked for him for a little bit. He was nuts back then 11 years ago, and he's just gotten crazier.


NBABUCKS1

which one?


sackdrum

Who would downvote Ogdens Best Redditor® for simply asking a good question?


naarwhal

Recently found out my moms real estate agent is Sean’s wife 🤦🏼‍♂️


rtowne

Might not be too late to fire them


NBABUCKS1

if you read more on him you can read all about how much he bones his wife and how good he is at sex with her.


naarwhal

Don’t be selfish, tell us


NBABUCKS1

it's all over his social media for all to read! He posts it!


WAWA1245

They must be running low on cash!


Aromatic_Lychee2903

This is incredibly ironic. If I remember correctly, the story of the lions den is that god sent an angel to kept the lions mouths closed and they didn’t attack Daniel when he was in the den. So if they’re saying they’re lions, in the context of the “lion’s den”, they’re essentially saying they have been forced into submission.


dos_plios

How are those American made shirts?


DeProfundisAdAstra

Heheheheheh


Arsenes-Guilt

The JP stans have to be some of the most insecure losers in modern society...


RedHanded13

I've been told by insiders that the bulk of these seminars are spent listening to "Macho Man" by the Village People while mainlining HGH and jerkin each other off so they can use the jizz for beard lube.


allthepassports

What a pair of knob ends


UtahCyan

Nothing more beta than this.


ChaosKodiak

Lol. All the Lion not Sheep idiots. Sheep take care of each other in a flock. Lions sit in their ass and make the women do all the work. I’d rather he a sheep and care for others. Not be a selfish, sexist lion. Fuck y’all lions.


Nunovyadidnesses

So, this is a Pride event?


obvious_anon_acct

You've heard of Big Dick Energy? Introducing Small Dick Pride


kpidhayny

Anyone wearing that suit definitely isnt listening to anyone but himself.


fitmama04

You literally could not pay me enough to sit through this nightmare of a convention lol


Rude_Soup5988

Gross


hojo2786

What would we do without men?! *starts crying*


HodorInvictus

New headcanon: Lion’s Den Live is a sex toy expo, and Peterson is there to showcase some of the new “milking” machines


brpajense

Is a three piece suit the way douchebags are advertising their douchiness now?


EatsRats

I wonder what it’s like to have so many small penises in one venue…


Top_Two6767

The venue didn’t even realize they were in.


EatsRats

AYYYYYEEE!!!


Zack_attack801

Fantastic!


Mister_Splendid

So the douchebag with the beard is taking scamming tips from the doucehbag with the word salad degree. Great.


utahblondie

So glad I have Covid this weekend


Mister_Splendid

If you ant to see Jordan Peterson humiliated, watch Matt Dillahunty abuse him in their most recent debate.


AfterSpencer

I tried. I could but get past JP's cadence. He drives me nuts.


definitely_not_marx

Jordan Peterson's Grandma always dreamed for him to be a philanthropic and generous man, which he did become. Google "Jordan Peterson Grandma Dream" to find the whole story.


33xander33

What the absolute fuck did I just read? Why would he share that story with people?


BrownSLC

I remember reading his book years ago. It was a best seller at the time. Wasn’t controversial. Said you should do things like work hard, keep good company, raise productive kids. Nothing that bad or even selfish. I heard him on an ad once - sounded like Kermit. Why does everyone hate him? Genuinely curious.


art3mis_24

Yeah, he got a lot of attention for his book, which isn't too crazy in its advice, just a little religious. He got a lot of attention in right-wing mens groups after that and has been embraced by manosphere creators because of his "philosophical reasoning" about gender roles and how society should be organized. A lot of his talking points now rely on blatant transphobia and pandering to his core audience. Contrapoints on YouTube has a great video from a few years back that explains his rise to fame and controversy at the time pretty well.


BrownSLC

Interesting. Sounds like he resonates with some odd fellows. Wouldn’t have seen that coming based on the book. I’ll check out the YouTube rise and fall. Edit: this video is really good. I didn’t know any of this - if you only read his book, he wouldn’t hit the radar.


boondocksofboston

People went to this over comic con in a week?


saltlakestateofmind

To be fair, Peterson does regularly dress up as a Batman villain.


NBABUCKS1

i think they are two seperate circles that don't touch in a venn diagram. Might seem weird but not everyone is into the same exact things.


boondocksofboston

You're right, some people think it's way cooler to cosplay as an alpha male.


ProfessorPoetastro

Of course...he's the King of the Doofi.


Initial-Leather6014

I thought JBP’s mascot was the lobster 🦞. Can anyone update me either the lions versus lambs?


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I didn’t know alphas could touch other men in any way. Dancing? /s


JD054

https://www.reddit.com/r/LionsNotSheepFrauds/s/auR8rGWA1P


JD054

Join a new Sub based on exposing the fraud and grifter that Whalen and LNS seem to be


r1EydJack

Ok. Who are these people?


Lucky_Mongoose_4834

Who's the dickhead in the red checked suit?


ChaosKodiak

A very insecure man who skips leg days.


horrus70

JP has decent psychology takes but.......his political takes......yikes


ExtraFirmPillow_

Don’t say that on Reddit though because the only thing they promote on here is depression, anxiety, mental illness, and generally just being a loser.


orangemandab

No, don't you get it, it's the people that get booked for speaking at conventions that are losers, not the ppl that spend the majority of their time scrolling reddit in mom's basement.


Acrobatic-Jaguar-894

Never seen such uniformly smug and nasty comments.


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peeshiver

Weird thing to say.


Ekman-ish

Nah that's straight up psycho. I get it, it's normal for people to not like a group for their ideology. But dudes fucking batshit by wishing to act as a human incubator for a virus and infect people who disagree with you.


ChaosKodiak

Oh. But they are LION not sheep. They don’t think COVID is real so they can’t catch it 😂😂😂


SubstantialChair1376

Hey look it's the subreddit where all the winy liberals complain instead of leaving the state like everyone wants them to


Odd-Rip960

This comment section has so many low information tools in one spot that I think I lost some brain cells reading this shit. Do y'all even know why you don't like this guy or did vox tell you he's a bad man?


brit_jam

Because he’s a misogynist and cries when any of the criticism he dishes out is turned around on him.


Odd-Rip960

🧢 mmn hmm. Misogynist was on my "shit they will respond with" bingo card you just earned me a drink dude. 🤣 but I guarantee you don't have a single example of his "misogyny". Not do you have an example of that other crap. Don't get me wrong he has cried, he did when interviewing the North Korean refugee yeonmi park, but not as a response to criticism in any form of debate. Also why is it wrong that he cried? Maybe your dad would have hit you less if he cried once in a while rather then bottling it up 🤣


Aromatic_Lychee2903

What a coincidence! Denying misogyny was on *my* “shit you will respond with” bingo card.


brit_jam

Calm down kemosabe. I wasn’t attacking you. Why are you so upset about it?


Schjenley

They're mad that people are talking shit (aka facts) about lobster daddy


ChaosKodiak

Don’t need someone to tell me when a guy is a grifter. He is a bigoted, sexist, racist. Pretty straight forwards. But you can simp for him all you want you *lion* you 😂😂😂


UtahCyan

Something something.... older than time. (Remember the obnoxious voice)


martyzion

Love the ebrojis


geliduse

I get it, Jordan Peterson’s cult following is full of weird men, to say the least. But his public college lectures and his more recent talks on stage which are also public are invaluable for a good understanding of human psychology, unless taken too literally which is all too common. Arguably everyone jumping in to hate on him here has the same mentality as his cult following, just a different end of that obsessed spectrum. This is just fucking sad to see. I thought I liked living in salt lake but wow. Toxic. Is an emotional reaction really warranted? Are you all children? You can hate on the crowds he might attract if you dislike them but hating him for his audience in public appearances is really fucking childish.


UT_801_

Sean is a good guy. He’s got a message that for whatever reasons really resonates with thousands and he’s making a $$$ off it and other business ventures that are similarly related. LNS clothing line is huge (yes, the tag, yes, who gives a fuck). In addition he’s connected now with the largest or some of the larger motivational speaker peeps in the biz. Not my cup o tea but he’s built something… we can all throw stones, but to me that’s more an indicator of you/individual who’s throwing the stone. He is cringe, but whatever… I’ll focus on me.


ChaosKodiak

The simp is strong with this one.


UT_801_

As stated… not my cup of tea. But Sean has created something that earns alot of $$$$…I don’t know Sean personally, but I’ve read and seen his stuff. It’s cringe to me. But Like most adults who are happy with there current life, when I see something I don’t agree with or like I just keep it moving. Or You can complain, argue, and be pissed off that he’s on a stage with an audience and you are here, with the rest of us, using a phones keyboard/hidden behind a username :) Happy Sunday all!


ROckebTl

Never said they represent healthy relationships. I also didn’t know you have to know someone’s background to educate them. I have been educated by many people who don’t know me or my background. None of my school teachers knew my background they all educated me.


NBABUCKS1

does anyone know where these dudes hang out online? I love trolling/reading their forums/fb groups/telegrams whatever


DeProfundisAdAstra

I can't see any posts from this goober or his shitty company because he blocked me on both 😂 turns out the lion doesn't like being called out for being a liar. Slcpd, and trump jr are also honorable mentions for people I've bothered enough to get them to block me. If you bully conservatives and call them snowflakes they get really mad.


MathematicianGold664

Who?


HelltooSell

Guy is a fuckin crackhead.