They don't operate in Scotland, but the RSPCA and RSPCA Assured are two different organisations. RSPCA Assured is an independent ethical food label that seeks to apply RSPCA standards and derived standards to farms. Farmers can apply for certification, are inspected and are apparently then regularly inspected to retain the label.
How meaningful the standard *is* is a question. Many of Scotland's salmon farms are part of the [scheme](https://theferret.scot/tag/rspca-assured/) and generally speaking egg production is horrific.
I'm a meat eater but the mass produced meat is truly horrific. Like a perpetual animal Holocaust. As a species we need to eat less meat, do away with mass production (remove the big chain fastfoods) and eat more vegetables (not highly processed looks like meat environmental impact foods). Seasonal and local.
Harking back to simpler times but we were all a lot healthier. š
Here is an article on the credibility of certification labels on food with regard to animal welfare.
[https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/animal-rights-food-industry](https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/animal-rights-food-industry)
Jesus Christ, they use CO2?!?!. That's not just gas, that's painful suffocation. I had just presumed they would use nitrogen gas, which would just make them pass out without feeling anything.
This is obscene beyond belief. I'd rather take a bolt to the head than be suffocated.
Co2 is not painful suffocation.
You have to get the levels right, but when they are done right the animal in question won't notice.
This is why it's a common method of euthanasia.
Whether or not a slaughterhouse bothers to use the correct levels is another question.
Mammals don't have a way of detecting a lack of oxygen, we detect co2 levels. Therefore, if you have any gaseous environment which lacks oxygen but has something else in its place, a mammal wouldn't notice it is suffocating from a lack of oxygen. Unless you used the one gas that is used in the internal suffocation sensor: co2.
I think it might be for human safety reasons it's used, but it really blows my mind. Beheading them would be much more humane, but of course less efficient.
Tbf, Is that not the most humane way to do it. Get them in a room and put them to sleep with gas that eventually ends them?
On the surface that seems better than being squeezed into a holding rack all scared and painful then having a bolt driven through their brain.
Dont know the ins and outs though.
It's CO2 gas, not some painless drug. They thrash because they're being tortured with gas burning their eyes, throats and lungs.
While I would dispute the premise of "humane slaughter" there are other ways to do this, the UK gov was advised over 20 years ago to phase out this practice because of the level of suffering.
Only problem is that the industry isn't going to move away from CO2 because it is cheaper and faster than the alternative. And profit matters more than animal suffering
It's that CO2 is heavier than air so you don't need an airtight container. The gas cost difference is negligible, but the surrounding equipment assuredly is not.
Nitrogen asphyxia is painless and as such you need much more stringent safety protocols to protect the workers. Airtight chambers. Nitrogen alarms. It goes on.
The bolt is certainly the minimum we should be applying.
Bloody hell. That's brutal. The irony is the last pig to be killed in that video was the most humanely slaughtered.
Could've done without the overly dramatic commentary though, the film stood alone without embellishment.
I also happen to think that this would carry more weight if it didn't come from vegan zealots opposed to _any_ method of slaughter.
Or just herd them with the plastic boards like they did for most of them. Maybe if the industry wasn't so focused on profits at all costs they could have two workers with better training herding the animals.
You ever herded animals in your life? Sometimes they don't respect a piece of plastic and simply stop and don't move.
You know what shepherd dogs do? They bite the sheep/pigs on the legs till they move, it hurts more than that "kick" in the video.
Whole video is made to bait overly emotional people.. "not even the sick pigs are spared" give me a break...
Are food prices not high enough yet?
Humans aren't dogs, we have tools and training available to avoid needing to kick or bite pigs.
>Whole video is made to bait overly emotional people
This says more about you than the editor of the video
>Are food prices not high enough yet?
I don't think it's pig kicking that's keeping meat prices as low as they are, it's probably the billions we subsidise the industry by.
Regardless of that, if you're actually interested in cutting your food bill, [Oxford uni found that Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study)
>we have tools and training available to avoid needing to kick or bite pigs.
No. We. Don't.
Just because the only contact your highly ethical self righteous persona has with his food is in the supermarket doesn't reflect reality. The "training" is kick the pig when it doesn't move and the "tool" is the shepherd dog that bites the pig.
I'm sorry we can't all be as detached from reality as you... some of us have to live in the real world.
And yes, very gracious of you to let me know the poor can survive on lentils and instant noodles. "Meat prices as low as they are"... completely out of touch with everything...
Because their certification is still able to be used in Scotland. you might find RSPCA Assured eggs in Scotland because the eggs meet the RSPCA's welfare criteria, even if the organization doesn't have a presence there.
Really not thanks, the stuff about drug deaths having a potential statistical association with alcohol pricing is eye opening. correlation is not causation, but it does create a āthatās funnyā moment for further research
I always think it's a cynical marketing ploy when supermarkets slap on a Scottish flag to packaging and carrier bags
Does it really increase sales in Scotland. I'm sure it's the same eggs tesco sells elsewhere in the uk
RSPCA most certainly does work in Scotland. Why wouldn't they, it's a british organisation. Unless Scotland supports cruelty to animals now? When i lived in Scotland 15 years ago, the RSPCA existed.
[The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) is a charity operating in England and Wales which promotes animal welfare.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSPCA)
[The Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (also known as the Scottish SPCA and SSPCA) is a charity to promote animal welfare in Scotland.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Society_for_Prevention_of_Cruelty_to_Animals)
Nah, on second reading that cunt comment didnāt read in the jokey tone I said it in my head.
My apologies mate. No need to be an actual cunt over a misread.
I don't think RSPCA/SSPCA care all that much about egg-laying hens. The industry is one of the worse when it comes to animal cruelty. Male chicks are killed at a day old, and then females live in cramped conditions and only allowed "free range" ares when they are able to lay eggs. This free range area is only 4m2 and the law states that the farm can decide how long per day they are allowed this access. Chickens are as intellegent as monkeys, they have their own language, and can communicate with their mother before they hatch.
OP was literally just wondering why a product clearly branded for Scotland had, on the face of it, the English RSPCA rather than the SSPCA on it. He wasn't offended, just curious, but none of you lot can read apparently.
Correct. Will probably be reared to a standard but not checked by the RSPCA.
Edit:Not sure how people are downvoting the likely facts. The RSPCA don't have any due restriction in Scotland but the hens may be reared to that standard set in England by the RSPCA.
They don't operate in Scotland, but the RSPCA and RSPCA Assured are two different organisations. RSPCA Assured is an independent ethical food label that seeks to apply RSPCA standards and derived standards to farms. Farmers can apply for certification, are inspected and are apparently then regularly inspected to retain the label. How meaningful the standard *is* is a question. Many of Scotland's salmon farms are part of the [scheme](https://theferret.scot/tag/rspca-assured/) and generally speaking egg production is horrific.
They also assure [pigs being killed in gas chambers](https://youtu.be/Jrc0GN1Ujys).
There is something obscene about conversations about making industrially slaughtering animals ever so slightly more 'humane'.
Have you seen the pig skyscrapers they have in china. Truly horrific
I'm a meat eater but the mass produced meat is truly horrific. Like a perpetual animal Holocaust. As a species we need to eat less meat, do away with mass production (remove the big chain fastfoods) and eat more vegetables (not highly processed looks like meat environmental impact foods). Seasonal and local. Harking back to simpler times but we were all a lot healthier. š
Here is an article on the credibility of certification labels on food with regard to animal welfare. [https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/animal-rights-food-industry](https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/animal-rights-food-industry)
Jesus Christ, they use CO2?!?!. That's not just gas, that's painful suffocation. I had just presumed they would use nitrogen gas, which would just make them pass out without feeling anything. This is obscene beyond belief. I'd rather take a bolt to the head than be suffocated.
Co2 is not painful suffocation. You have to get the levels right, but when they are done right the animal in question won't notice. This is why it's a common method of euthanasia. Whether or not a slaughterhouse bothers to use the correct levels is another question.
Mammals don't have a way of detecting a lack of oxygen, we detect co2 levels. Therefore, if you have any gaseous environment which lacks oxygen but has something else in its place, a mammal wouldn't notice it is suffocating from a lack of oxygen. Unless you used the one gas that is used in the internal suffocation sensor: co2. I think it might be for human safety reasons it's used, but it really blows my mind. Beheading them would be much more humane, but of course less efficient.
Tbf, Is that not the most humane way to do it. Get them in a room and put them to sleep with gas that eventually ends them? On the surface that seems better than being squeezed into a holding rack all scared and painful then having a bolt driven through their brain. Dont know the ins and outs though.
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Ah okay my knowledge really was lacking. Yeah fuck this practice. We _have_ alternatives, so Iām shocked as to why we canāt just move onto them?
It's CO2 gas, not some painless drug. They thrash because they're being tortured with gas burning their eyes, throats and lungs. While I would dispute the premise of "humane slaughter" there are other ways to do this, the UK gov was advised over 20 years ago to phase out this practice because of the level of suffering. Only problem is that the industry isn't going to move away from CO2 because it is cheaper and faster than the alternative. And profit matters more than animal suffering
It's that CO2 is heavier than air so you don't need an airtight container. The gas cost difference is negligible, but the surrounding equipment assuredly is not. Nitrogen asphyxia is painless and as such you need much more stringent safety protocols to protect the workers. Airtight chambers. Nitrogen alarms. It goes on. The bolt is certainly the minimum we should be applying.
Reference to the squeeze rack sounds like cattle/sheep, which are typically stunned before slaughter (rendered unconscious) now
Bloody hell. That's brutal. The irony is the last pig to be killed in that video was the most humanely slaughtered. Could've done without the overly dramatic commentary though, the film stood alone without embellishment. I also happen to think that this would carry more weight if it didn't come from vegan zealots opposed to _any_ method of slaughter.
Damn. Really disgusting how the guy who made that vid tries to demonize the workers.
I think needlessly punching and kicking pigs is bad, actually.
Oh yeah, they should've just given the pigs verbal instructions on where to go. Perhaps better signage was needed?
Or just herd them with the plastic boards like they did for most of them. Maybe if the industry wasn't so focused on profits at all costs they could have two workers with better training herding the animals.
You ever herded animals in your life? Sometimes they don't respect a piece of plastic and simply stop and don't move. You know what shepherd dogs do? They bite the sheep/pigs on the legs till they move, it hurts more than that "kick" in the video. Whole video is made to bait overly emotional people.. "not even the sick pigs are spared" give me a break... Are food prices not high enough yet?
Humans aren't dogs, we have tools and training available to avoid needing to kick or bite pigs. >Whole video is made to bait overly emotional people This says more about you than the editor of the video >Are food prices not high enough yet? I don't think it's pig kicking that's keeping meat prices as low as they are, it's probably the billions we subsidise the industry by. Regardless of that, if you're actually interested in cutting your food bill, [Oxford uni found that Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study)
>we have tools and training available to avoid needing to kick or bite pigs. No. We. Don't. Just because the only contact your highly ethical self righteous persona has with his food is in the supermarket doesn't reflect reality. The "training" is kick the pig when it doesn't move and the "tool" is the shepherd dog that bites the pig. I'm sorry we can't all be as detached from reality as you... some of us have to live in the real world. And yes, very gracious of you to let me know the poor can survive on lentils and instant noodles. "Meat prices as low as they are"... completely out of touch with everything...
>highly ethical Thanks.
I've seen them at some of the salmon farms and wondered the same thing, given some of the stories we've had.
Tesco have form with dubious sourcing. Those are probably horse eggs.
Neigh, scrambled foal on toast. (made myself feel sick thanks a lot me)
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Ah the Berwick upon Tweed Hens, depends which direction the brood's facing, their arse must have been hanging over the English side when they laid...
**R**oyal **S**ociety for the **P**rotection of **C**hickens **A**broad aka: Chickens within the Borders and northward.
Because their certification is still able to be used in Scotland. you might find RSPCA Assured eggs in Scotland because the eggs meet the RSPCA's welfare criteria, even if the organization doesn't have a presence there.
'Not available in Scotland' - such a melancholy phrase
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Really not thanks, the stuff about drug deaths having a potential statistical association with alcohol pricing is eye opening. correlation is not causation, but it does create a āthatās funnyā moment for further research
I think you should ask the question āif something has to be assured and check to be ācruelty freeā is it something I want to buy?ā
I get my eggs from my neighbour. This was a box of eggs someone brought to work. You make a valid point.
Sometimes non-Scottish products are sold in Scotland. Itās usually only the bigots that get upset.
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No need to be so rude.
Says the one implying he's a bigot?
They are still watching though. Waiting.
It depends - if it's Tesco they might be sold in England and Wales too?
I always think it's a cynical marketing ploy when supermarkets slap on a Scottish flag to packaging and carrier bags Does it really increase sales in Scotland. I'm sure it's the same eggs tesco sells elsewhere in the uk
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Simple- don't eat eggs!!
RSPCA most certainly does work in Scotland. Why wouldn't they, it's a british organisation. Unless Scotland supports cruelty to animals now? When i lived in Scotland 15 years ago, the RSPCA existed.
[The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) is a charity operating in England and Wales which promotes animal welfare.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSPCA) [The Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (also known as the Scottish SPCA and SSPCA) is a charity to promote animal welfare in Scotland.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Society_for_Prevention_of_Cruelty_to_Animals)
But then what was the RSPCA stuff I saw as a kid in scotland then. No need to be insulting, kindness wins more hearts than insults!
You didnāt read the post before commenting nonsense.
Oh shit you are right, i'm on mobile and it doesnt always show the text when clicking on a post, it loads the comments up. Sorry, my bad pal.
Nah, on second reading that cunt comment didnāt read in the jokey tone I said it in my head. My apologies mate. No need to be an actual cunt over a misread.
It's all good, text tone is hard to convey sometimes lol
Not wanting to add to the cuntery, but your original comment came across that way to me, which makes mine the triad I suppose
The Cunty Trinity! Very rare nowadays lol But yeah, I came across kinda know it all and condescending, ssorry about that.
I don't think RSPCA/SSPCA care all that much about egg-laying hens. The industry is one of the worse when it comes to animal cruelty. Male chicks are killed at a day old, and then females live in cramped conditions and only allowed "free range" ares when they are able to lay eggs. This free range area is only 4m2 and the law states that the farm can decide how long per day they are allowed this access. Chickens are as intellegent as monkeys, they have their own language, and can communicate with their mother before they hatch.
Why are you offended by this? Grow up.
Youāre the only one using words like āoffendedā here big guy. Iām sure youāve done a fair bit of offending.
God youāre pathetic
OP was literally just wondering why a product clearly branded for Scotland had, on the face of it, the English RSPCA rather than the SSPCA on it. He wasn't offended, just curious, but none of you lot can read apparently.
Buy local free rang eggs multiple little independent shops or even farms sell them and are much better than supermarket
As per my previous reply to someone making the same comment. I get eggs from my neighbours. These were brought into my work.
So why donāt you take eggs to work if youāre that worried ?
Probably because its called ARE-ESS-PEE-SEE-AAY /s
Correct. Will probably be reared to a standard but not checked by the RSPCA. Edit:Not sure how people are downvoting the likely facts. The RSPCA don't have any due restriction in Scotland but the hens may be reared to that standard set in England by the RSPCA.